Do they have anything that I can play?
Short answer, not anything worthwhileLong answer, there are some old demos lying around the internet all the way from the Mother 4 days until 2023, but nothing that remotely resembles the quality and polish of the rebrand trailer because that entire thing was literally all edited, none of it is gameplay, and that includes most if not all trailers for this "game"From what i was able to get, basically this whole project doesn't continue because of retarded drama, constantly shifting teams, the main guy being a perfectionist, the game starting from scratch multiple times, etcIt's just in a constant state of development hell and it seemingly isn't going anywhere
>>743266338>What went wrong?Scope creep and lack of motivation to actually release anything finished due to constant restarts. Team Lead (Pastel) also pissed off the only good programmer on the team by silently switching the engine to fucking Gamemaker after the lead dev spent 10 years making a custom engine.The only way any art comes out is when you give yourself a deadline and a fixed goal. When you spend nearly TWENTY FUCKING YEARS redoing the same shit over and over and never communicating with your team members (the lead artist didn't even know they were selling merch of his designs) nothing is ever going to happen.
how woke will it be?
>>743269139>the lead dev spent 10 years making a custom engine.the fuck was he doing for 10 years, jerking off?the only competency that can be observed from that dev team was the ability to create good marketing trailers to fool people
>>743269216Probably about as woke as Mother Encore. The whole fanbase is extremely gay and tranny adjacent for some reason. I feel like I'm the only chud Mother fan.
>>743269757That's because the trailers were the only times where the project leads actually set deadlines.
>>743269139>silently switching the engine to fucking Gamemaker after the lead dev spent 10 years making a custom engine.This is why you don't work with fags who post on /g/. They'll jerk off about muh custom engine instead of using the right engine or programming language for the job. GameMaker is perfectly fine for a project like this, and if you haven't finished in 10 years, you've been doing something really badly.
>>743266338>>743268918I didn't think there was an actual game, I thought it was all animations.
>>743269942>implying deadlines are the only reason things would get doneany developer with a pulse would jump on actually getting the gameplay mechanics properly finished.if he needed deadlines to work on the game he wasn't a good dev in the first place
>>743269757>the fuck was he doing for 10 years, jerking off?The custom engine in the leaked build we got from like 2015 was actually further along than the gamemaker build from 2023. The 2023 gamemaker build doesn't even have a functional item menu.
>>743266338Is there a leaked script or design document for it? Considering this thing will literally never come to fruition of any kind, I'd like to know what the story would have been
>>743269854why would an 80's america inspired game be woke?
Nintendo would have spawn camped the project if it actually got anywhere
>>743270717i doubt itthey don't care about this franchise
>>743270292Exactly, basically the late decade of the project can be summed up as the team lead going quiet for months at a time and only occasionally popping up to ask a team member to do something, telling that member the work they did was shit and to fix it, and then fucking off again for months leaving everyone else with nothing to do on a project they were all volunteers with other shit to on.Pastel was just to autistic to lead a real team and that killed the game.
>>743270569When then said 1980's America they meant the AIDS crisis
>>743270390I'm no programmer or coder, but I assume it doesn't take 10 fucking years to write a game-engine if you know how to do that sort of thing, even if you're working on it on the side.This thing was never going to happen. Considering this thing was teased to release within months of announcement, multiple times, only for it to turn out the battle system was never even finished, let alone a whole world, story, characters, maps, etc. We were all being led on for 2 fucking decades. It probably did start out as a genuine desire to make a game, but eventually as time went on they couldn't be asked, they just wanted to claim the title of being the "official-unofficial" Mother 4. It achieved it I guess. Everyone is familiar with it, not for being anything good though, just for being a fucking 20 year long joke.
>>743270717Nintendo already explained who they manage fangames.They don't look for them but if one is brought to their attention they will then kill it asap.All they gotta do si follow the golden rule, but nobody canhttps://youtu.be/hqwP6uuYOWo
>>743270850they could easily make ninten gay for the nerd boy
>>743270883>I'm no programmer or coder, but I assume it doesn't take 10 fucking years to write a game-engine if you know how to do that sort of thing, even if you're working on it on the side.It wasn't like it was totally unfinished after 10 years, anon. It was functional enough to work with development, the problem was that Pastel was slow and uncommunicative and kept asking for things to be restarted and rewritten.
>>743270468There are some leaked docs, yesThere's this one screenshot which details a little bit about the actual story but it's kinda vague and doesn't really says much of anything besides the main twist and some gameplay elements>>743270717Problably not, mostly because Nintendo seems to just straight up not care about Mother enough to deal with stuff like this, given the M3 fan translation has existed for years, Nintendo knows it exists, and still never bothered to do anything. Also if i'm not mistaken, Mother's legal situation is more complicated than other franchises because i believe they require Itoi's permission to do anything because he owns part of the franchise or some legal shit like that
>>743266338Winter 2014?
>>743270773so basically nobody on the team had the leadership quality or skills to take charge and get shit done.Community projects live and die by having a strong leader figure who can wear multiple hats on a project and help inspire other members of the teamIf nobody on that team stood up to be that key figure they were all useless.
>>743270969Your average competent programmer could probably program a Mother inspired battle system for an indie gamejam in a week. There are already loads of Mother wanna-be's in recent years coming out. I hope someone make's their own adaptation of Mother 4 or Oddity and releases it literally just to spite these guys.
>>743271240Yep, the one argument is that apparently in direct conversation Pastel came across as a really passionate and confident person and that kept the other team members going.But yeah the entire team was basically conflict avoidant nerds who never really talked with each other.Like the head artist has been softly shitting on the project not getting done for years but nobody ever stepped in to countermand him because none of these fuckers ever talked with each other or even checked what the others were saying on the main fan discord.It was less like a real team and more like Pastel and a bunch of contractors he had doing certain tasks doing it for free.Just an absolute shitshow.
>>743266338Genuinely just forget about Oddity and go hype up Dreamtone
>Devs made this>Devs cannot get their act together to make a public demo
>>743266338All artists no programmers.Looking at ANY of the footage of leaked builds will tell you this.This was never going to happen.
>>743266338At this point, I'm tired of Earthbound clones. Come up with something new, faggots.
>>743272281Drawing over someone's else map is not the same as making something
>>743271705the more I hear about this Pastel fellow the more I believe he might've been the only one who actually cared about the game, even if only initially. i wouldn't be surprised if he was an insufferable individual who didn't have the leadership chops but he did somehow get the publicity of the project out there.I'd take bets he put together the trailer and webpage that got M4 alot of it's initial publicity back in the day
>>743272532That's a fully original map, anon.
>>743266338>what went wrong?it never began, i'm still waiting for winter 2014>>743269854the mother fanbase was hijacked by troons and tumblr dangerhairs EXTREMELY fast during the 2010s. i suppose things like jeff's friend being gay and the magypsies or kumatora attracted them to the series>>743269854i'm a chud UTDR and mother fan, it's like being a second class citizen always in hiding. i'm used to it though.
>>743270012that's closer to the truth than to what the "devs" want you to believe.
>>743271283someone could slopcode one in unity in a few days tops nowadays
>>743272672Pastel was the second project leader and its under him that most of the actual progression on the game stoppted.However the few times he actually did do something like pushing the team to get all the shit for the trailers ready by a self-imposed deadline, well we got some really good trailers.Just a shame it was only trailers.
>>743272816>the mother fanbase was hijacked by troons and tumblr dangerhairs EXTREMELY fast during the 2010sthe starmen.net freaks were already an equal problem in the 2000s
>>743272281Someone should just steal these assets and make a 5 chapter game with a modern game engine.
>>743272816>i suppose things like jeff's friend being gay and the magypsies or kumatora attracted them to the seriesThey don’t know that anon, they’re secondaries.They like it because it’s a game about children and they’re pedos.
>>743272903case in point i guessif he didn't push the team to put together the trailer nothing would've gotten done.it doesn't really feel right calling the people he was working with a team, the contractor analogy feels more accurate. people waiting for direction rather than wanting to steer the ship themselves which can stem from a lack of interest.also i doubt the original project leader got much more done than he did
speaking of mother related fan games, has anyone played the earthbound beginnings remake? i reloaded my last save to get teddy, because i just found out they made him recruitable again after getting the 8 melodies
Best thing to come out of this entire mess was the soundtrack:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aje-m04JWDQ>>743269945I've followed Mother 4 off and on (mostly off at this point) since 2010, and the programmer never seemed like the issue. There used to be regular updates on the game on two different blogs, and a good chunk of those updates were of systems he'd programmed. From all I've seen and heard, it seems like nobody ever put anything meaningful together with the tools he built them.
>>743268918I forgot that mother 4 fangame was a thing, damn that was a long time ago
>>743268918Duke Nukem Forever of pixel RPGs
>>743272281making a map with tilesets is so retardedly easy you could it right now in paint (and should!)
>>743273128That makes sense
>>743270292Even Expedition 33 they started with building the first level and making the combat fun before they even started thinking about the story or characters.
>>743273136i've just downloaded and started playing it. i've never played the NES version of mother 1 and this is how i'm experiencing my last remaining part of the trilogy. do you consider this hack to be faithful? or high quality?
>>743273053>>743272923so it's business as usual... so sad
But will it cater to the fanbase's fetishes?
>>743274056you will get cucked by a strong lesbian girlboss couple, yes.
>>743273360pretty much vaporware
>>743270292youve never made anything in your life and it shows lmao
>>743266338Has anyone ever actually made a good Mother fan game?
>>743272672>>743272903It's important to note, also, that several projects that were similar "never ever"s that members of the Mother 4/Oddity devteam have been involved with HAVE gotten done, or at the very least have shown a ton of progress. Knuckle Sandwich and OTHER: Her Loving Embrace are two that come to mind.
>>743273136Played it perfectly fine on the SNES mini, was great
>>743275069Corru observer was really good, it doesn't play like mother and the MC and loredumps kinda suck but it feels mother and yume nikki inspired. It's also free
>>743275069Cognitive Dissonance and the recent Mother 1 remake (which actually started dev around the same time as Mother 4) are both solid. As far as less directly EB-related stuff that still spawned out of Starmen.net during those days goes, Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass and Knuckle Sandwich are good.
>>743275438>Jimmy and the Pulsating MassI like this game but fuck if it wasn't depressing.>Dissonance and the recent Mother 1 remakeDoes it add anything? Mother 1 was super barebones.
>>743266338>Odditybruh that shit is dead in the water, i'm just gonna steal some of these characters and make them ocs
>>743273136Been playing it. Got to Merrysville and I am missing the 2nd melody in Podunk where you talk to that chicken that is past the fence(you go behind a gravestone to reach it) and when I talk to the chicken, the chicken isn't giving me the melody. What am I supposed to do?
>>743277789Buy the canary chick from podunk shop and give it to the mother bird
>>743275218it's a bit different comparing a passion project by fans with a budget of $0 to kickstarter projects that got funding.Things change when money gets involved
>>743278098OK thanks. Some of these changes in the remake have thrown me around a bit. Saving Pipi for example at the cemetary, she gives you the Franklin Badge immediately after saving her originally, but in the remake, it is a bit later after taking her to the mayor's office and she goes home is where you go to her home to get it.I hope there are not many more changes that will throw me around with progression. So far with the remake, I hate how every enemy can crit you compared to Mother 2 and 3 where only certain enemies(very few) can.
>>743270995>the M3 fan translation has existed for years, Nintendo knows it exists, and still never bothered to do anything.when do big corpos ever bother with shutting down translation projects though? it's not like tomato's translation is especially noteworthy beyond being for a game with a cult fanbase
>>743269854A game about the power of love and friendship is enjoyed by the political party that values love and friendship instead of the political party that wants to kill minorities. Wow, what a surprise!
>>743278861>democrats value love and friendshiplol
>>743266338Releases in Winter 2014 btw
>>743278161First, there is no good reason for a fanmade passion project to be this unfinished after 18 fucking years.Second, even if you compare in that space, the SRB2 and Doom modding scenes mog the everyliving fuck out of Mother 4/Oddity. There's no reason it should be this bad beyond incompetence on the part of the leadership.
>>743279182anon im not defending the mother 4 project being unfinished we are in the same boatmy comment directed to the previous anon was to highlight that the members of the mother 4 team who were not motivated to work on their own free time for the project isn't a fair comparison to if they were getting paid to make it.If you are being paid for a service you are expected to deliver it, unlike a free fangame where you can jump with no repercussions, since the only thing you scam people out of is their time and attention compared to cold hard cash
If you can't finish a project in under 7 years it's simply never going to be finished.That is unless you're building a house off grid or some shit. No reason a game should take you that long.
>>743270292>Why didn't the programmer just make the game himselfNo idea champ
>>743279926Deltarune bros...
>>743280137>why didn't the programmer program the gamei dunno either anon, complete mystery
Did they really use a custom engine from 2016? Any tech that predates 2020 is a caveman club.
>>743273136is that panda getting head?
Played that fan made remaster of Mother that used the M2 graphics and I have to say this story is fucking stupid. I have no idea how Ana and Ninten go from>we just met>20 minutes later>OH MY GOD WE'RE IN LOVEwhat the fuck. Also it's stupid as shit they cycle your fourth party member back and forth instead of just letting you keep both lloyd and teddy. Also we barely get any time with teddy at all, story development wise.
>>743272903From everything the other devs have said about him, it sounds like Pastel was just a faggot cloutchaser.>would go months without assigning anyone any work, even when they asked what they should be doing, and only communicated before trailer drops>used to waste all his time in the fan discord talking about stupid shit nobody cared about, like which religious denomination each character belonged to>hoarded plot info so the rest of the team couldn't do anything without his inputDid a single member of the team have anything positive to say about him? I don't understand why the actually talented members let an idea guy string them around like this. Idea guys are the most worthless part of any project.
Launching your wholesome RPG maker game after Undertale was much too late. Winter 2014 would have worked well
>>743266338QRD?
>>743281029>mother 4 fan game project gets started in like 2008 or whatever>progress is slow or non-existant>releases trailers or whatever here and there>gets rebranded to Oddity in like 2020 or so, some newer guy takes over the project, tossing the old programmer's engine out the window to use gamemaker instead>progress halts even harder>TLDR: nothing ever got done, there's no real game, all trailers are just edited videos
>>743281224Okay so the standard cycle of 90% of all fan made projects ever, got it. What the fuck this is not a unique case at all lol
>>743281283Yeah, not a very unique case, just that people were fair bit excited for this one, and the smoke-and-mirrors trailers didn't help matters
>>743266338making fake trailers is so fucking tiresome. I won't place any interest in a game until I actually see the gameplay.
>>743281283>>743281435>>743281481that one morrowind fan remaster never happened either. Why you all fucking falling for this shit over and over. Stop it
>>743281627how can i tell if a fan project is fake or unlikely?
>>743280318>No direction on what we're doing>"WHAT THE FUCK WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE ANYTHING" *Smears shit on walls*
>>743278861You're the guys that kill people for not mutilating their genitals, having opposing views and for being too pale. There's no such thing as "love and friendship" in your side anymore, only weapons to try annd destroy what makes us human.If we weren't here to focus your hatred, you'd tear each other apart over slightly different opinions. You'd destroy each other with purity cruusades.
>>743281627You mean OpenMW? It's been out for quite a few years already. It works even better than the old engine.
>>743281965>is it a fan project?yes>90-95% chance to failPlease utilize this simple guide!
>>743282026Call me crazy but I think they're making a mother fangame based on the gameplay of mother 3it should probably have that setup, save load, leveling up, etc etc.
