been playing wind waker for the first time since childhood. Imo this is actually better than even ocarina of time; maybe tied with majora's maskso anyways though im noticing... theres more "uniqueness" to wind waker than there is with other totk and botw. i like totk and botw a lot too, but wind waker has been a major reminder that ultimately, botw/totk are still just a huge open world with lots of inconsequential fillerin wind waker, i actually have to go around and talk to all the npcs on new islands to get an idea of whats going on. theres not just 90% filler NPCs, with filler dialogue. theres not just "quest objective is here with an arrow pointing towards it", you actually have to figure things out yourself sometimes.im not hating on new LoZ but i do want to point out that this specific thing -has- happened to the series. many things have been streamlinesd, very little risktaking, and a large, large amount of the content is just filler.
>>743274675You sail for 80% of the game. 4/10
>>743274675>botw/totk are still just a huge open world with lots of inconsequential filler>when talking about wind waker, the game that, while not necessarily open, has a huge world with lots of inconsequential filler
>>743274862>has a huge world with lots of inconsequential fillerthe stuff you find in wind waker is actually interesting though. in botw/totk its just "omg yet another cave thats just like the other caves!"
>>743274675>Best boss battle music v molgera>Cozy cruising >QTπ tetra and zelda>Dual blade ganondorf>Interesting/ fun aesthetic that's not realistic slopIt still holds up better than most imo
>>743274675>theres not just "quest objective is here with an arrow pointing towards it", you actually have to figure things out yourself sometimes.i really wonder how bad this has to be for the minds of todays youthwe used to have to solve puzzles and shit in games. often not even hard, but puzzles nonethelessnow its just "dpont think about anything at all literally just follow the marker on your map the entire game"cant be good for a developing mind
>>743275329At least half of "people" looked up walkthroughs or bought guides back in those days
>>743274675Perfect example of having your head on backwards OP
>>743274675Why does Link have a cum jar?
>>743274675I don't know why is it so underrated. I genuinely enjoyed exploring the islands.>>743274761You sail for 80% of the game. 10/10
>>743275329No different than the dungeon map and compass you get in other games.
>>743274675Ww is bloated as fuck. There are like 6 unique islands in this game (windfall, outset, dragon roost, forest haven, forsaken fortress, tower of the gods). the latter 3 don't even serve any purpose besides being dungeon hubs so might as well cut that down to 3. and the rest of the 30+ something islands are just copy pasted with different shapes. And the fact that clearing most of those islands give you a treasure chart instead of a heart piece itself just serves to pad the playtime more.
>>743277989Yeah, there's a lot of changes I would make to fix WW if I were in charge. In a lot of ways it's like Prime 4.
>>743275013he probably means how the majority of the world is just open water, I do agree though that sailing around in WW is often more fun than running through open fields in botw
>>743274675Going on a sidequest to heal your grandma's unnecessarily self-guilt induced dementia is a top video game moment for me personally.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxp7BrZUaY
>>743278216On opposite day maybe, because why would it ever be more engaging to press the A button and sit the controller down. When I replayed Wind Waker I had time to post threads and reply to stuff while waiting to arrive at the content.
>>743278409the atmosphere, the music, seeing the little things on the horizonthe zoomer adhd brain wouldn't get it
>Hyrule gets flooded>Zora become birds instead of becoming the masters of the worldSuch small thinking, we could never have anyone but the hylians as the hegemon I guess. It's like BOTW's Shiekah ubermensch bullshit, these people might as well be techno-gods and yet they still kneel to the hylian royals? I'm talking about before the world is ruined, you have the towers, teleportation, the slates, all the shrines and bullshit and the Shiekah haven't had one case of trying to usurp the kingdom??
>>743278763jews don't exist in the zelda universe
>>743274675Wind Waker has a strong fantasy element to it that sparks imagination. Only games like Majora's Mask and BotW do that well enough to be considered paracosms.
>>743278812Fair, but they sure as shit have been developing it of late. Poopie hylians everywhere now. Even the gerudo are just poopie hylians.
>>743278868>erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity
>>743277541A chunk of ratings are normies who adopted the then media opinion of "it looks cartoony, ergo, bad game," "sailing game has too much water," "Zelda is a woke tomboy."The people who actually did like it were those who played it, and their opinions stuck around after Twilight Princess reset everyone else's memories and opinions.
How do I get into BOTW. I feel totally aimless wandering from enemy camp to enemy camp until I find a tower to climb or a shrine where I play with balls. I think I'm doing something wrong because I also get one-shot if I make a mistake, and I don't feel like I'm progressing in any direction.
>Unfinished>Worst dungeons in the series>So easy it makes Mario games look difficult>Terrible pacing>Game starts with a mandatory stealth mission>Game ends with a mandatory fetch quest>All style and no substanceWW will forever be dogshit.
>>743279539The start of BotW is a little rough because until you find a great fairy and can start upgrade armor it's easy to get absolutely trounced. The early game areas funnel you pretty heavily towards the Zoras and to Kakariko. Go to those places, get your bearings and a bit more context, and explore out from there. Beyond that though, if you don't enjoy fucking about there's not gonna be much. There's a lot of fucking about, but the divine beasts don't make up for a lack of dungeons and while the final dungeon is magnificent it's also the final dungeon. You can very plausibly play 50 hours and get bored before stepping foot there.
>>743279539BOTW is a camping simulator with a princess to save whenever you feel like it. Just use the duplicate items glitch to cheese enemies and go do whichever side-quests you find appealing (Tarrey Town was the only one I remember having flavor).
>>743279948I'm still pissed that TotK Terry Town doesn't remember Link.
>>743279729Don’t forget:>ganondorf only loses because the king has a magical deus ex machina teleport
>>743274675BOTW is just a bigger WW that takes place on land.
>still haven't played anything past TP>working on WWHD (I've played the original enough I had to see the difference)From what I've heard, im not missing much.
>>743280339>anything past TPALBW is pretty good imoThat's it.
>>743279894>>743279948Okay Anons I appreciate the feedback. I just got to the zora region boss, and I will keep playing since it's something to keep me occupied during graveyard shifts - I just felt like I was playing the game wrong.
>>743280398That's the only one I actually considered when I got a Switch 2. A Link to the Past was one of my favorite games as a kid though so I don't want to play some cheap ripoff.
>>743280602>That's the only one I actually considered when I got a Switch 2>Switch 2Terrible news, anon.
>Don't kill Ganon, just trap him in a magic prison it'll be fine>Time passes>He gets out>Start slaughtering everything>Turns out it was in fact not fineI blame OoT Adult Timeline Zelda/Link/Sages for originally dooming their world to ArmageddonAlso >No Hero Appeared so LOLGETFLOODED YOU FUCKSEven during the Age of Calamity that Green Ayylmao-looking fuck appeared during and did his job so what the hell Wind Waker?Also>Genocide not just Hyrule but all of creation but conveniently shield the Castle with Ganon and his minions who all survive Nice work Goddesses very cool, I'm sure your worshippers had exactly that in mind when they prayed to you for help in their darkest hour of need.Who needs Ganon as a force for indiscriminate destruction anyway?
>>743280764Wind Waker threw out the Imprisoning War in favor of>lol no hero showed up so everyone fucking diedThese things happen when a series gets a new director and he instantly moves to brush off everything preceding his leadership away while telling you how good his vision for the future is (except WW tries to have its cake and eat it too so the future WW promised was just half-baked OOT with the target audience now being literal fetuses).And then it happened again with SS/BOTW. Very strange that it happened twice to the same series, but here we are.
>>743280975>And then it happened again with SS/BOTW. Very strange that it happened twice to the same series, but here we are.You could carry this analogy even further with the Refounding Theory of Neo-Hyrule that King Rauru does in TOTK, only it's not even a theory but explicit history when Tetra does in before the beginning of Spirit Tracks post-Phantom Hourglass.>>743280602Echoes of Wisdom is fun, and the closest we've had to a REAL Zelda title in 9 years.Although it's more Pokemon than Zelda it at least has the dungeon and map density of ALttP.I'm still upset they didn't call it the Legend of Link.
toon link sexo
>WW releases>mom gets it for me for getting good grades>play it for an evening, get to dragon roost island>quit for the night since it's a school night>wake up wanting to play more before school>fire it up after breakfast, get to the part where you get taught how to use the wind waker>try to push the stick exactly when the note passes instead of holding it>carpool ride arrives while I'm still desperately trying to guitar hero the fucking tutorial>make everyone wait for 2 long minutes>friend's mom driving everyone gets angry enough to honk the horn and shout for me>never heard her this mad before>tutorial finally clicks for me>save and turn off the gamecube >still get to school on timeGod I love that game.
>>7432814532D zelda sucks and I will die on that hill3D zelda has bad combat but at least the vibes are good
>>7432815303D has an advantage in player movement and combat, but it really kneecaps dungeon and puzzle design for simplicity and tedium's sake.While a lot of fans are pleased with the OoT Remake announcement (despite it already getting a prior refresh with the 3D port) the only thing I was thinking about was how the resources would have been better spent remaking an entry that actually needed it like Zelda II or the Oracle Games.I've wanted a remake of the Oracles titles using the Link's Awakening Remake Engine/Assets ever since it first came out. They could even do it justice by finally completing the Linked Game by having the late-game portion be the cancelled Oracle of Secrets installment we were cheated out of. Nintendo themselves will never do it because it has Capcom's hands all over it. Please GREZZO Co., Ltd save us!
>>743275013>the stuff you find in wind waker is actually interesting thoughThat's bullshit and you know it. It's a bunch of grottos housing rupees and charts. The reefs and fairy islands are the worst offenders.
>>743282103>I was thinking about was how the resources would have been better spent remaking an entry that actually needed it like Zelda II or the Oracle GamesIf it had to be a 3D game, it should've been Wind Waker.Anon I hate to say it but Nintendo is never touching NES Hyrule again. This may be a blessing in disguise.
>>743282103Oracle of Ages really needs it. I replayed it recently and it was much more annoying than I remember. Conversely OoS was a banger, I can’t believe how much fun I had with it.
>>743282318Point taken. I would argue that WW apart from already getting QoL mechanical improvements in the HD port had even less reason to be remade than OoT/MM. Those cel-shaded graphics even on the original version are evergreen. Does picrel look like a game released 24 years ago in 2002 (albeit at the tail-end)?
>>743274675Falls apart after the first 3 dungeons. It's like they gave up
>>743282570>Does picrel look like a game released 24 years ago in 2002 15 years of gaming been completely destroyed by the unreal engine and it's shitty hi-def graphics . So yeah it looks old or something
>>743274675How is it better than OoT, but tied with a game that's worse than OoT?
>>743282572It's honestly amazing to me that in a water world-based Zelda we did not get a true Ice Dungeon out of it.Seems like the most natural gameplay design step you could think to add.
>>743282776>ice temple from TP could've been made for WW
wind waker was goat lowkey
>>743274675You know another unique thing about WW? It's the only Zelda game you'll see people defending with meandering walls of text, desperately trying to cobble together some contrived reason that it's not actually the unfinished disappointment that it is, not to mention the weakest 3D Zelda.
Ive never replayed this game because I remember the triforce map shart thing and how much of a slog it was
>>743274675Wind Waker is very charming but I can't bring myself to 100% it the way I can Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword, the sailing and the charts are really fucking annoying.
>>743274675The best thing about OoT, MM and WW is that they don't tell you what you need to do or where you need to go when you're set upon the open world, you just figure it out.BotW gives you the overarching objective of "go to Hyrule castle", and IIRC tells you about the Divine Beasts too so you know to go to the 4 corners of the world. And although TotK doesn't give you an immediate objective until you find the camp town, it reuses 90% of the world from BotW so there's barely any sense of wonder or discovery at all until you enter the depths.
>>743274675>>743274862>>743275013>thread disguised as a means to praise WW>is just a seething bitch fit over BotW/TotK>againBeyond pathetic and sad.Find a real hobby.
>>743274675Yes, wind waker is a lot better thsn most people remember. However, Botw and totk do a lot of things better than WW that are also crucial to the Zelda experience.The truly interesting comparison however is how much better WW is than TP even if i remembered it being the opposite. It is however not better than Oot or MM.
>>743283731Nooooo you can't just talk about botw killing the franchise because.. because you just ctna ok?
I love Wind Waker, but it's half a Zelda game. From the point you go to Hyrule Castle the world should have split between an above ocean and an under ocean with more dungeons and towns. Sailing around at night is very relaxing tho.
>>743283642Medli my beloved...
