cant be a disaster if it never gets made for real

Yes

Even normies lost faith in bethesda after starfield it's over

>>743279761
this
everyone knows, bethesda knows, it’s their last chance
better to not risk it at all

after playing gothic 1 remake, I feel I no longer care about Bethesda
if only this game had hot chicks everywhere though

Yes and it will still sell millions. You dont understand the mindset of the average TES fan, their similar to GTA fans that no matter what, no matter how bad the game is they WILL buy it because its a new game in a series they like. You might say "theres even less features, the story is shittier, the gameplay is even more braindead" that doesnt matter, what matters is beign able to do the exact same thing as they have been doing for over a decade now: go around killing and looting shit in a big open world because that creates a very simplistic dopamine loop where they dont have to think about what their actually doing.

>>743280081
>better to not risk it at all
They could literally just add 2 to next to vanilla Skyrims box art and it would still sell. The Bethesda drones will keep Bethesda alive in pepetuity.

>hammerfell
You just know they're going to add race agitprop in the most predictable, ham-fisted way possible. It's virtually guaranteed.

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>>743279573
Guys you know you can just choose to not buy games from companies that have completely trooned out
There are alternatives

No, it's going to be kino beyond kino. Bethesda devs know they are the last chance to save western gaming and will swoop in to save everyone at the last moment.

Screencap this.

>>743280430
>Oblivion Remaster has Body Type A/B
>Oblivion Remaster stuffed with AI assets
>Oblivion Remaster censors titties on statues
>Elder Scrolls online is a complete disaster
>Fallout 76 is a complete disaster
>Starfield is a complete disaster
Bethesda is incapable of making a good product. They are dead and burried anon, let it go

>>743279573
So like every other bethesda game?

>>743279573
Yes and so will the obsidian fallout and GTA 6
modern gaming is dogshit

>>743280317
Tainted Grail is garbage

>>743279573
Why? Because some autist /v/ (you) said so?

I don't care. My Elder Scrolls is Tamriel Rebuilt and Project Tamriel.

>Oblivion 2006
>Skyrim 2011
>TES VI trailer uploaded 8 years ago.
They deserve to be gutted.

>>743279573
Yes, and it will be beautiful

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>>743279761
Either way Bethesda is cooked and probably getting sold to TenCent for a 1/5 valuation in the next few years.

>>743280151
I dunno. Even on reddit, there's a really deep skepticism about this right now. If there's one place on the internet that should be excited about TES (WAOW!), it's reddit. And they are really salty right now. Even retards can sense impending doom in an acute enough situation it seems.

>>743283413
Not him, but Reddit is near perpetually doomers, have been for years.

>>743282343
>Still no news on
>Xbox is currently killing itself for shareholder value
>Xbox is currently fucking over all of its studios
>Bethesda morale in the dirt
>So signs of good news on the horizon
It's over.

>>743283413
Bethesda has always had a lot of negativity from vocal online autists about the future of TeS because they keep taking out features or dumbing down the games while the devs make fun of players with their easter egg Maiq the Liar character.

I genuinely think bethesda actually sucks at game design and they could have done a better job catering to the lowest common denominator, instead they throw the baby out with the bath water and adopt the philosophy of "perfection is when their is nothing left to take away" one of them said this on twitter, i think emil? Their games used to be amrketed as "living another life" they say you get to choose how to play, then try and railroad you down to some narrow build paths "for balance reasons" and their game balance isnt even better in later games. You cant even make a paladin character that buffs your strength or speed with holy magic anymore.

>>743279573
Reasons to think it wont be a disaster:
>starfield had more RPG flavoured options in character building than previous games like skyrim, could be a shift to more options in character building overall.
>Fallout 4 voiced protag was not well received so bethesda probably wont do it again
>Fallout 4 & 76 settlement system and lack of NPC wasnt well received so they will almost certainly make sure to focus the game more on a living world with more unique NPCs
>starfield proc gen world werent well received so they probably wont lean into it as hard

>>743286518
>one of them said this on twitter, i think emil?
No one at Bethesda ever said that.

>>743279573
>The game opens in the bustling port city of Rihad, where Hammerfell’s tensions are palpable. The Crowns, clinging to tradition, clash with the cosmopolitan Forebears, while independent city-states like Sentinel and Hegathe vie for dominance. The Thalmor, ever opportunistic, stir unrest through agents disguised as merchants and diplomats, seeking to weaken Hammerfell for annexation. Amid this chaos, ancient Redguard ruins—long thought to be mere relics of the Yokudan migration—are uncovered across the province, revealing carvings of blonde-haired, blue-eyed warriors wielding divine power. Scholars are baffled, and the superstitious whisper of the Ada, a myth dismissed as heresy.

>The Protagonist: The Last Ada

>You are a wanderer, known only as the Sa’el (a Yokudan term meaning “Star-Born”), marked by your striking blonde hair and blue eyes, traits unseen among Redguards for centuries. Your origins are shrouded in mystery: raised by a nomadic Alik’r tribe, you were found as an infant in the ruins of a forgotten temple, cradled in a circle of glowing runes. Your tribe revered you as a sign from the gods but kept your existence secret, fearing persecution. As you come of age, visions haunt your dreams—golden figures wielding blades of light, a radiant crown, and a voice whispering, “Reclaim what was stolen.”

>Your journey begins when your tribe is attacked by mercenaries hired by a shadowy Ayleid exile, who seeks an ancient relic you unknowingly carry: a shard of the Star-Crown, an artifact said to channel the Aedra’s power. Barely escaping, you set out to uncover your heritage, guided by fragments of prophecy and the relic’s faint glow.

>>743286695
They did. it was ages ago. Ask yourself this, does that seem so far fetched? Each game has less and less things. It wasnt an official bethesda statement just one of the devs talking with people complaining on twitter about no levitation or something. Thats why i think it was Emil, that guy loved to make retarded posts on social media.

>>743279573
All I know is it's gonna be a sad day in India when Microsoft decides to scrap BGS.

>>743280619
>>Oblivion Remaster stuffed with AI assets
What AI? Also beth didn't do the remaster.

>>743286809
>They did.
They didn't.
>Ask yourself this, does that seem so far fetched? Each game has less and less things
This really isn't accurate in many instances, and ignores why those things were removed in the cases where it was. Not to mention Fallout 4 has more than Fallout 3, and Starfield has more than Fallout 4 or Skyrim.

Like
-Teleporting/levitation were removed because of the need to put towns into separate cells to work on consoles and lower end PCs, and because levitating/teleporting out of places would break the more scripted quests and dungeons that Oblivion and later games had compared to Morrowind where things mostly just stood still.
-Classes were removed because they never really DID anything, as you could level up everything anyways. so they were just a label on the UI, and not an actual gameplay element.
-Traditional skill systems were removed becuase the 1-100 skill system concept was made for third person, character skill based, CRPGs. Modern RPGs being action games, where much more of the action was put in players hands, meant that the increases in power that skills offered got so watered down that you could go 20-25 point in a skill before getting any sor of meaningful improvement. At that point why have a 1-100 skill instead of a 4-5 ranked perk where each rank = 20-25 points of the old skill since that is how the game played anyways.
-Things like spears got removed for the same reason spears aren't in most games. Actually making them function as something other than longer swords really isn't worth it, and, unless you do that, there is no real reason to have spears since they don't play differently
etc. etc.

>>743287180
>no you dont understand we neeeeeeded too
you think i care about your excuses?
>. Not to mention Fallout 4 has more than Fallout 3, and Starfield has more than Fallout 4 or Skyrim.
those are the latest games. im talking about going from daggerfall to morrowind to oblivion to skyrim, each game cut out features BIG TIME and thats around the time the comment was made.

>-Things like spears got removed for the same reason spears aren't in most games. Actually making them function as something other than longer swords really isn't worth it, and, unless you do that, there is no real reason to have spears since they don't play differently
etc. etc.
this is the kind of brain dead and unimaginative thing i would expect an actual bethesda employee to say.

>>743287419
>you think i care about your excuses?
>There was perfectly logical reasons behind all these changes were made
>I DON'T CARE!
DESU anon, your argument here just comes off as a childish temper tantrum.

>those are the latest games. im talking about going from daggerfall to morrowind to oblivion to skyrim, each game cut out features BIG TIME and thats around the time the comment was made.
Most of the things I listed relate to going from Morrowind to Oblivion.

>>743279573
Probably, yeah. But that has nothing to do with me.

>>743280619
>>Oblivion Remaster stuffed with AI assets
Point out a single one

>>743286691
They're going to double down on everything wrong with Starfield because they're complacent old faggots who get told they can do no wrong.

>>743280151
GTA viral campaign is fake and gay, I dont see even my normie as fuck friends excited for the game, because its too expensive AND even they know the dev teams looks like Ubisoft's now, so its going to be lame and gay
and I truly hope its good because I loved dicking around the online back then, but im not even going to bother looking at it until its released

Now add the possible fact that it's going to be the trojan horse for ID verification on vidya online, its going to cause a massive backlash like never seen before

will gaming even be around when this gets released?

>>743287483
all of your excuses are mind numbingly stupid. Im going to ignore most of your straw manning but l will humor you by talking about your last comment.
>Things like spears got removed for the same reason spears aren't in most games.
>Actually making them function as something other than longer swords really isn't worth it,
because.... not worth having more variety of weapons because? any actual reason? I mean in skyrim you have one handed weapons, which all function the same apart from some very minor changes in swing timers and perks related to bleeding or armor pierce which are situationally useful.

Then you have two handed weapons which are all the exact same as each other with minor variations in weapon speed and again perks that are situationally more useful than a different one.
I wouldnt consider this sort of weapon variety to be super complex and a part of an intelligently designed system where adding in another weapon would disrupt the balance.

oh and then you have daggers. So in the entirety of skyrim you basically have 3 different types of melee weapons and 2 of them pretty much just have some different skins. And there is no room for spears?

How about make spears a 1 handed weapon, with damage on par with swirds but with the reach of two handers. You could have them apply a slow to enemies when you power attack or something? Maybe they get a damage boost against enemies that are recoiling/staggered. There is so much you could do with spears to make them unique and situationally good, but consider the fact that even if they had nothing unique about them there are players that would like to use them because they think it looks cool.
>not worth it bro
right

>>743287951
You have to understand how stupid and lazy Bethesda's animation team is

>>743279573
No way man. A guy in another thread was telling everyone Bethesda is a top of the line game studio and they do RPGs better than everyone else.

>>743280151
Tbf, I'm a TES fan and I'd still buy and play it.
Why would I do otherwise? I want to play games that I like not to wallow in negativity.

>>743279573
I mean, bethesda haven't made a good game in over two decades. Why the hell would anyone think they'd suddenly make a good game now

>>743279573
It already is; just imagine announcing something to get your company bought out, and then doing nothing for a decade.

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>>743279573
It's unironically going to be a great game.

It might not be perfect, it is Bethesda after all, but it's going to be outstandingly good compared to other games on the market and compared to their previous titles.

>>743280430
so true

What ifgood

>>743286715
nice fanfiction but ain't happening

Dude, it's TES. IT's impossible for it to be bad.

>>743279573
it'll sell ok but not skyrim level after that the hype for TES 7 will be dead.
it takes 2 bad games to kill a franchise unless ur a special kind of retard like the DA veilguard devs

>>743279573
It'll be better than whatever garbage you enjoy but not as good as older games.

>>743280317
cool game, I hope devs will learn a lot from this title, I have high hopes for whats next from them

>>743280430
Bethesda has always been cancer to gaming and never made a genuinely good game ever. Back to r*ddit.

>>743279573
depends on your definition of "disaster". i think it will be just as good as Skyrim, but it will be incredibly underwhelming for that exact reason. I think everyone will do a 50 hour playthrough and go "that's it?" and it'll just be known as the time Bethesda didn't really do anything strong. Or they put a fuckload of real work into it and it'll be amazing, who the fuck knows>>743279761

Its been over a decade since Bethesda has had a decent release. Even Skyrim was kind of a letdown

>>743286262
>Still no news on
So? It's not done yet.

It's gonna be as bad as literally all Todd Howard games, which are all fucking horrible

>>743289489
>t. obsidian

>>743279573
Yeah, I realised TES was destined to be a trash franchise from then on after playing Oblivion for about five hours on release day.

>>743279573
It will be the best ES game, but you arent ready for that conversation

>>743280151
>the average TES fan
The average TES fan is 30 years old at the bare minimum and has gone 15 years without a new game. I don't think Bethesda's latent fanbase is as big as people like to think it is.

>>743280057
Normies have managed to graduate, get married, have kids, send them to school and divorce since skyrim came out. Like nobody actually cares anymore.

>>743289718
He's right. Todd and the rest of the fags at Bugthesda are talentless morons who have no idea how to make a decent game.

>>743287180
>Teleporting/levitation were removed because of the need to put towns into separate cells to work on consoles and lower end PCs
well now that Starfield doesn't have that issue surely it will return in TES6!
>and because levitating/teleporting out of places would break the more scripted quests and dungeons that Oblivion and later games had compared to Morrowind where things mostly just stood still.
oh nevermind its just another "the devs are incompetent you'll just have to forgive them :(" like the rest of this post
also funny how there's no defense for the removal of spellcasting because not even he could come up with a BS excuse for that one

>>743286691
>Fallout 4 voiced protag was not well received so bethesda probably wont do it again
fun fact Starfield was going to have a voiced protagonist but they dropped it mid development because it was a lot of work recording so many voice lines and changing a dialogue option meant recording again so they dropped it.
yes im not making that up. player feedback played no part. they don't fucking listen to feedback, remember pete hines? he took all the feedback he ever got and just took a big fat shit on it, they don't care.

>>743286691
They drove Kurt Kuhlmann out of the studio, and he was Lead Systems Designer on Starfield. Which meant he was the guy who added more "RPG favoured options" to the game. So you are probably not getting that in TESVI.

>>743286691
>Fallout 4 & 76 settlement system and lack of NPC wasnt well received so they will almost certainly make sure to focus the game more on a living world with more unique NPCs
Like they did with Starfield? You do realize the settlement system is in starfield right, or did the 5 second tiktok review you watched not mention it so you didnt know about it?

>>743279573
I'd take a Skyrim remake over this desu famalam

>>743288790
This guy turned out great actually. His before and after transformation is shocking.

>>743279573
It's going to be one of the top 10 best selling games of all time, because soulless golems buy everything they're told to.

I don't have high hopes but I doubt it can be as bad as Skyrim

>>743279573
I know, I can't wait.

>>743279573
Coldest take currently on the internet

>>743289902
>t. obsidian

>>743279573
It's gonna be Skyrim but with slightly better graphics (Still worse than Skyrim with mods btw)
They will not deliver anything better than people already did with skyrm.
Their only hope is having MINDBLOWING story, which they won't have because it's gonna be tailored for modern audiences.

BUT, it will give new base for modders to actually make good game. So i'm happy for that.

>>743280151
You're a retard.

>>743286262
>Bethesda morale in the dirt
Fifteen (15) years.

>>743283479
Yeah, no, reddit readily sucks any one videogame's cock and ask for seconds. They're nowhere near as doomer as /v/ is. If even they turned against Todd, it's joever.

>>743289917
>the removal of spellcasting
Spellcasting is still in every game. Are you just retarded and meant spellmaking?

>>743288024
not lazy; someone literally got it done in a Game Jam. Bethesda really isn't incompetent, they can do cool shit but they are so de-organized that this cool shit never sees the light of day. I blame higher ups but what do I know

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Game_Jam

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DGIgXeGC6Dg&t=120s

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>>743291363
He became a Deathlord?

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>>743279573
The dream is real

>>743289028
>it takes 2 bad games to kill a franchise unless ur a special kind of retard like the DA veilguard
I hope you're not implying 2 and Inquisi were good.

>>743292892
Probably not, given it was better than Oblivion.