Grey text boxes, Junction system, “realistic” looking graphics while still looking like a blocky mess, not everyone is a quiet loner who “gets” squall and his edgy lonely bs

>>743282426
requires over 120 IQ to enjoy

>>743282426
I just remember Lyle Rath going mad for the plot twist

>>743282550
Also the draw system.and enemy level scaling that can break end game if the player grinds too much

It has a lot of themes that make it irresistable for white teen boys only.

-be a great game
-but is from japan/is an rpg therefore redditors seethe at its existence

>>743282654
There’s no police in the game you would think browns would love it

>>743282707
You play as a teenage mercenary strike force going around putting out conflicts as best as possible (often fucking up and creating bigger conflicts). It's somewhat "police-adjacent" I think.

Redpill me about the way to play this.
Seems like emulated PS1 might be the way.
All the PC version need million mods, it seems.

>>743282426
Pretty terrible systems like magic draw and level scaling. Also the story is mostly boring and meandering on the surface, it has interesting things going on under the hood but you gotta dig for it.

>Easily broken battle mechanics that can also be tedious as sin depending on how you play it
>Terrible love interest who saps up time from the other party members
>Orphanage twist is the dumbest plot twist ever to be conceived in a final fantasy game
>It was the follow up to FF7
I think it's a fine game but it's easily the weakest of the PS1 FF games

>>743282882
remastered pc version just werks and doesnt need any mods
the HD character models can be a little jarring but its perfectly fine other than that, dont listen to autists

>>743282882
Yeah just emulate. PC port is dogshit and unlike FF7 and FF9 the modding efforts aren't great. It's not like you need the cheats to turn off encounters or anything anyway since that's a built in ability.

>>743282426
Its not. Nobody cares about it

>>743282882
Emulation with a CRT filter is the best-looking version.

FF VII normies cant accept anything that tried to be different and superior

>Squall is, by far, best protagonist of the entire franchise, not a fag like Cloud
>Quistis best girl
>finally a romance story that is not completely garbage
>best cool looking summons
>Odin
>Odin turning into Gilgamesh
>amazing music (along with FF VI)
>cool omega
>superb ending
The only problem was the draw mechanic and that's it. Every FF "fan" that dislike anything other than FF VII deserve to die.

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>>743282426
People genuinely cannot wrap their head around the way it abstracts stat growth for some reason.
They can accept that equipping a new sword in the menu raises your strength stat, but for whatever reason equipping new magic to raise your strength stat is just too esoteric.

>>743282882
just emulate it

>>743282983
>remastered pc version just werks
lol

This game supposedly makes people schizophrenic and has been linked to at least one mass murder.

>>743285138
Source?

>>743282426
ff was the normiest of JRPG franchises, so 8 being a little different completely filtered a lot of people. The game's not perfect of course, but it gets a crazy amount of shit.

>>743282867
The time loop starts and ends with Squall and party defeating Ultimecia, who jumps to past and as she's dying, she gives her powers to Edea in the past. Teen Squall is there too, Edea realizes Teen Squall is the Kid Squall from future, Squall tells Edea about being SeeD and from Garden and how they are Edea's ideas. Edea tells Squall to return to his own time and Edea then cultivates SeeD and Garden to defeat the future sorceress Ultimecia for the future and past to happen.

Ultimecia's actions against prophecied SeeDs are the reason the SeeD came to exist, meaning Ultimecia herself doomed herself from the start. Had she just done nothing, she would have won. She was strong enough to survive without Time Compression but because she went through the effort to try to guarantee her survival, she ironically caused her own defeat.

>>743285238
Nta but some teen kid who commited murder had drawn Nomura's FF8 and FF10 designs and they were shown in newspaper and no one bothered to point out they are not the kid's own design but actually just redrawn pictures of Nomura's sketches and drawings.

>>743285509
thanks grok

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>>743282426
Amazing start, best in the series. Shitty end, worst in the series.
One I find weird is 5 fans when the middle is so awful. 3 Superiority to both.

>>743283325
>finally a romance story that is not completely garbage
Wrong

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>>743282954
>story is mostly boring
>mostly

>>743285572
Mewgenics' last act has you to go to past to Ice Age and Dinosaur Era and future to Hitler 2's Das Future and End of the Time and both routes lead to Infinity, the heaven, where you fight the Creator wearing Isaac's cat Guppy's face. In the final story quest you are tasked to nuke the god fetus and if you refuse 3 times, Dr Beanies reveals you, the player character, are Isaac's Mom who died and was reanimated. After the climax Steven, Edmund's Time Fcuk character who acts as time police comes to fight with Dr Beanies and Dr Beanies dies and when you return to the current time, it's revealed there's plenty of Dr Beanies bodies and you are basically in same time loop that always starts and ends with you killing the Creator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqvcTWRt82o

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>>743283325
Ill never understand Sqall fans, he is the most vanilla to me. Not bad, nothing good. Cloud is 100% a fag but thats what makes him endearing. Squall is just there.

I first experienced this game watching my retarded friend play and completely didn't understand how junctioning worked. So instead he summoned GFs every battle. One moment he had to do some chores for one hour so I took over fiddled around with different GF combinations, found the item crafting ability, made a bunch of magic, junctioned them to stats and saved an assload of time summoning GFs when a normal attack did as much if not more than a long summoning animation.
When my friend came back he got upset, undid all the work I did, and went back to wasting minutes per battle summoning GFs.

>>743285741
Wow, sounds Reddit.

>>743285743
whatever

>>743285808
I have 3000h in Isaac and 600h in Mewgenics and FF7 is my favorite FF followed by 5, 8 and 10.

>>743285819
Wow, sounds Reddit.
Especially liking FFV.

>>743285743
whatever

>>743285840
You know what 7, 5, 8 and 10 have over your 4, 6 and 9? Player agency and customization and replayability.

>>743283325
It really does have a lot of the series bests in it. Its iterations of the summons were never topped. Man With the Machine Gun is the best regular battle music, and its Chocobo riding music is the best version of that. It brought back and evolved several mechanics last seen in IV and V(and never used again since). Tying AP and abilities to the GFs themselves was a much more cohesive blend of typical AP setups from other games and the espers from VI. It was the place where some of FF's most beloved series staples originated, like Gilgamesh being a wanderer between universes. I wish Triple Triad in XIV had kept the elemental weakness/strength mechanic from VIII's.

>>743285889
The only FF I ever played are 1, 2, 6 and 8.

>>743285796
One of my friend playing FF8 only had Squall equip all the GFs and he was lamenting how the other characters were useless and when I told he can let other characters equip GFs, he was adamant only Squall should hold them,

>>743285951
Based autist.

>>743282426
It's bad. No really.

>>743285921
I'm hating you to death. I'm still pretty new with this telekilling thing but you should start feeling uncomfortable right about now.

>>743285983
Should I play 7?
9 is peak Reddit too, I'll skip that for you.

>>743286023
>Should I play 7?
>9 is peak Reddit too, I'll skip that for you.
Tell me how can something that came out before reddit even existed be "reddit"?

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>>743285895
Based.

>>743285951
>>743285963
A Squall enjoyer through and through.

>>743286070
All things are ultimately either 4chan-coded or Reddit-coded, even retroactively.

>>743286102
>All things are ultimately either 4chan-coded or Reddit-coded, even retroactively.
I hate to do this but please touch grass.

>>743286023
Yes, play 7. In sewers you get Steal materia. The next area Train Graveyard has small dragon enemies you can steal Ethers from and they sell high, so stock up on Ethers to make fast and easy money. There's also a rare enemy encounter Eligor in the train graveyard that you can steal Aerith's weapon from. The next good Steal spot is Shinra HQ, the Soldier 3rd Class enemies carry a sword you can steal for Cloud.

When you get to World Map, the area around Midgar has robot enemies to learn Enemy Skill Matra Magic from. The area around Gold Saucer has Chimera enemy to learn Aqua Lung from. To proc easy Chimera, wear Chocobo Lure and initiate battle on chocobo tracks. When Cait Sith joins you, you get Manipulate materia. It lets you control enemies to learn Enemy Skills easier. The beaches around Gold Saucer has octopus enemies to learn Big Guard. You can use the buggy to drive into Costa Del Sol and return to the first continent. Buggy lets you cross rivers so you can now visit the cave with sleeping man. The area also has green Zemzelett enemies to learn Enemy Skill White Wind.

In Disc 2 when you return to Midgar, pick W-Item from the end of the metro tunnel. Go Shinra HQ and check the lockers for Cait Sith's ultimate weapon. After beating the giant robot Proud Clod, there's a save point before stairs to the giant cannon. Switch Barret in, because you need to have Barret in party in the stairs to get his ultimate weapon. You can return back down to switch Barret away, if you don't want to bring him to the Disc 2's final boss on top of the stairs.

There's missable summon materia Ramuh in Chocobo Racin waiting room, so when the story has Cloud forced to compete in Chocobo Racing, pick it up.

>>743282882
emulate
all PC port change up the art style too much

>>743285796
Your friend's attitude and move sounds like something my younger self would have did.

>>743282426
Lots of things about it are really good. Lots of things about it are really bad. That makes it polarizing. People either like the good and ignore the bad or hate the bad and ignore the good.

>>743282882
Emulate original PS on PC. When having choice to split your party for missile base and Balamb Garden, send Rinoa to missile base. If you bring her Balamb Garden, she has extra FMV on the balcony and it transits back to the regular field. There's a glitch with it, if you moving when the transits happens, there's a chance the door to back in won't work and you need to reset. Big sad thing is that there's no save point after fighting a boss and getting series of other FMVs before that so your best bet not to waste time is sending Rinoa to Missile Base.

>>743282426
retards getting filtered by the junction system

>>743284743
Because it feels random, those who have never played it feel limited in their ability to use spells, hoping to get the right spells from monsters is no fun, leveling up makes no sense but a novice doesn't know that, farming for spells is boring.

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>>743282426
The infamous "Squall was a power ranger the whole time" debate. People been arguing about it for years

>>743282654
It's made for jap teen boys and girls, tard-o.

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>>743286550

>>743282654
>>743286556
FFs, Dragon Quests, Persona and pretty much majority of JRPGs are for teens to experience epic story. In the end they are glorified visual novels but that doesn't mean they are automatically bad. It's good to face the facts and know them. It's ok to enjoy your time with them, they are good experiences and entertainment, but in the end you are basically watching a movie/story with excel spreadsheet giving you illusion of agency.

>>743286556
No such thing.

>>743286479
The game ends with Rinoa and Squall in the balcony as Garden flies towards moon. Having Squall and Rinoa stuck in balcony in disc 2 is not a bug but a feature, it's Premonition with the Garden Movin'.

>>743282550
>Grey text boxes, Junction system, “realistic” looking graphics while still looking like a blocky mess,
These are positives though. Grey is easier on your eyes, junction system is better than materia/spheregrid and other aids systems in the other FF games, graphics look fucking great compared to many of the older/newer FF games.
>not everyone is a quiet loner who “gets” squall and his edgy lonely bs
this is the main thing, not to mention the story just doesnt make sense until like 3/4 the way through.

>>743282882
>All the PC version need million mods, it seems.
PC versions/remasters arent as bad as ppl make them out to be. Just the backgrounds look a bit fucked on them for some reason which you can fix with a mod.
For your first playthru though go vanilla.

Tip: level up refining abilities for your GFs first, dont spam draw to get the majority of your spells, but definitely keep Draw on one character so you can check bosses and rare spawns for rare spawns and summons.

8's a good time and has very likable characters. At least play the first disc.

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>>743285138
Anon basically every good game has had someone murdered over it.

>>743282550
Squall being edgy loner was because of his childhood trauma when his "big sis" Ellone went away. Squall felt if he allowed to get attached, it would end up hurting if he lost them. Because of using GFs, he eventually forgot Ellone but his defence mechanism stayed. During the game he learns why he felt offput with Zell, Quistis and others trying to make him open up. I think it's good character arc as he first starts seemingly edgy lone wolf and then we learn he's all mushy and fragile

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>>743287226
It's because Squall, as a character, just makes sense. He has a lot of depth and growth, and he's very relatable to anyone who's been through similar situations. He starts off as an edgy loner because of the loss and trauma he's experienced, but he goes through excellent character development. He's a really easy character to like once you try to understand him. Pretty much the entire cast is charismatic and easy to grow attached to, they're not that hard to understand either. To me he's the perfect protagonist.

>>743287716
Yeah. At the first Garden dance, he tells Quistis to go talk to a wall. Then later when Rinoa goes unconscious and he forfeits everything to carry her to Eshtar for chance to revive her, he keeps talking to Rinoa and then comments how it's like talking to a wall. And when the team waits him at the end of the bridge, they don't go asking why he left or how he abandoned them, they just understand and talk about how they already in and scouted and move on.

And I like how when first meeting Rinoa, Rinoa jokingly uses spell to make Squall like her to dance with her and then the story leads to Squall actually becoming the knight to the sorceress Rinoa actually is.

>>743287716
I could somewhat agree with Squall. Not the best protagonist but at least he has something that you could call depth but fuck you if you're even going to try pretend the entire cast is good. FF8 has one of the worst casts of any JRPG ever.

>>743282426
because they made grinding pointless

>>743282426
retarded schizo story and bad gameplay

>>743286424
He quit the game forever once he got the airship. The first thing he wanted to do was grind cactuars off cactaur island. I told him to save outside the island incase you land directly on Jumbo Cactuar. He ignored me and proceed to land right on Jumbo Cactuar before you can open the menu and game overed. The last save was nearly 5 hours ago. He gave me the game to keep and said he'll never play it again.

>>743288115
Yeah, I personally feel Quistis very lacking and wet rag. Irvine has moments. Selphie is ok. Zell is great in my opinion, just like Squall, he has vulnerability and his coping mechanism. When he blurts out in live TV broadcast that they are from Garden and then realizes his fuck up and sulks, it's real. He's hotheaded and volatile but also very vulnerable.

>>743287716
Does Irvine even have a single character trait other than wanting to fuck Selphie?

>>743288062
>Then later when Rinoa goes unconscious and he forfeits everything to carry her to Eshtar for chance to revive her, he keeps talking to Rinoa and then comments how it's like talking to a wall.
you believe this is a good argument

>>743282426
You know the people who have lost their whole lives demanding that the entire world apologise and admit FFVIII, XIII or even XV were good? And do so every day? VIIR fans are going to end up the same way. They can't just enjoy it, they spend every waking moment upset that other people don't like it and will never ever be at peace.

>>743288115
Personally, I don't like Rinoa and Selphie but Quistis, Irvine and Zell are top notch. And Laguna is probably one of the best characters in the whole series.

>>743288409
Ladies man, cocky, chokes on critical moment, doesn't tell why he hesitated to shoot Edea and how he felt hurt when it seemed the other characters from orphanage didn't remember him. Must have been feeling hurt for it.

>>743288409
He couldn't take the shot on Edea because....he just can't. Okay?!
Squall was the single competent person in a team of retards, yes I am including Quistis.

>>743288518
What do you mean? Quistis showed comptence by leading the gate team to apologize to Rinoa. She has strong sense of duty to abandon their spot for personal feelings and wanting to say sorry.

>>743288361
Zell is like that friend that makes you left, that breaks the ice, a good fellow to have around. The only thing I don't like about him is that ugly Mike Tyson tattoo. I find Irvine cool and funny as well. Quistis is like that teacher that act like a normal person when is not teaching, she is very caring and the fact that she is hot as fuck helps a lot.

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>>743285619
>FF3 fan

>>743288457
Merciless trvke.
I wish it weren't so.

>>743288819
Only FFVII and IX virgins do this.

>>743282426
It's not perfect but I enjoyed it. People shit on the drawing but not only did I draw some magic to 100, I also did the refine path and my teen brain loved it all. Used to just go explore different land masses trying to catalog which monster inhabits it. This was before guides and shit. I didn't much care for the story the moment I realized that Squall wasn't gonna rawdog Quistis though.

>>743289193
You kidding? There is an FFVIII thread on the board at all times. Every day. And every one of them is bitter autists listing all the reasons why everyone is wrong but them. The game is decades old and they still sulk about anyone not liking it.

>>743282426
GFs and Junctioning are poorly explained with never ending tutorials when they're quite simple in practice. Stocking magic is a pain when you don't know the optimal ways to do it and even then you still have to play a bunch of triple triad instead of drawing. Story requires the cast to be half braindead to make sense and Squall radiates small dick energy.

>>743282882
If you like to play the inferior version, go play whichever you prefer. The superior story version is on PC with the Succession mod. Pretend you're playing an alternate FF8 timeline where the story is actually good lol.

>>743289616
Le shit? Some nigga just rewrote the game?

>>743289845
No, some autist made some slight alterations and removed the retarded stuff. He made the characters act more their age. As a result, it's more consistent across the board. The con is that the Selphie blog wasn't updated so vestiges of the retarded amnesia plot point is still in-game.

>>743289845
Nta and dont know about the mod but reminds me of someone modding FF7 and switching Cait Sith to his OC Donut Steel called Judas Iskariot or something similar to have "story make sense"

>>743289954
fucken lmao

>>743289954
I remember that meme being shitposted on /vr/.

>>743282426
One thing about FF8 in comparison to the ones surrounding it (6, 7 and 9) is that it feels extremely small scale outside of the story content.
With 6 and 7 it feels like there's legitimately hours of optional content and secret stuff to explore, branching alternate routes depending on who you take where and the plethora of Blue Magic and Stealable items from enemies you might not even encounter in the main game.
In 8? There's like two pretty straight forward secret areas and one real super boss, most of the overworld is populated by the same dozen mobs. There's some Draw points but hardly anything you won't get from dungeon enemies or item refinement.
There's just so little to discover and coming off of 7 that's a real blow to the game.

>>743289947
Well Selphie is also retarded, so it makes sense

>>743291394
kek no bully the train autist pls

>>743289954
Don't know about oc donut steel, but a giant animatronic doll that is being controlled remotely was retarded, didn't fit the vibe and ruined several scenes. I don't hate cait sith like some people do, but I find it utterly out of place and prefer to just ignore it

It's the Dark Souls 2 of FF

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>>743291468
>Kill Jester.

>>743288518
He coldn't take the shot because he knew Edae is the woman who took care of them. It's not rocket science, mate

Dogshit, convoluted storytelling and a romance featuring two leads with the personalities of wet paper bags, to say the very least.

>>743291468
Caith Sith and it being traitor spy is ok. You meet it in amusement park it acts as fortune teller machine, it forces itself into the party with Manipulate materia. If you have Yuffie from first continent, your party already has questionable guests, like random ninja thief and lab animal RedXIII who said he'd tag along only as far as his hometown. Cait Sith plays on jester/gambler trope mixed with animal mascot and nothing's really like it portays. In reality Cait Sith is controlled by Shinra exec who has personal burden with working for Shinra he doesn't completely agree with. Cait Sith is not realistic but it fits FF.

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>>743291468
Because as we all know Final Fantasy hates non-humanoid and unserious party members.

>>743293304
We're talking about ff7, bud. Why are you bringing up character from other games with completely different vibe?

>>743282426
FF8 is pretty well generally liked compared to most later entries.

>>743284743
what does hit% do

>>743295571
Kinda self explanatory no?
It's the chance your character has of hitting a target.
100 Hit% means you're always gonna hit targets with 0 Evasion, but obviously you're gonna need more Hit% if you wanna hit higher Evasion targets since the formula subtracts their Evasion from your Hit%.

>>743282882
Emulate the fast forward helps you to save time in random fights

>>743282426
It's like every single idea this game has is something you would think they would test out in a spinoff or some otherwise different game with lower stakes tied to it, but Square was bold enough to do every single one of them in their next numbered title of their flagship series right after their best selling success yet at the time.

>>743282550
fpbp

>>743282627
>Also the draw system.
every time faggots say this they completely expose that they did nothing but draw 100 or every spell for every character every time they saw it.

>>743286546
>leveling up makes no sense but a novice doesn't know that
enemies scale with your level and upgrade their magic based on that scaling. there's your reason. they now have firaga instead of fire.

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>>743282426
Two things, mostly:

1. Competition with "other Final Fantasy" fans.
It came out just one (1) year after Final Fantasy VII, which was insanely popular, so that both attracted people to "try it" and infuriated "fans" when it wasn't a sequel. Despite having an almost identical name, and being produced in exactly the same way by exactly the same team... it wasn't "the same" so new fans of the series couldn't cope.

2. Similar to any game (especially FF), most people do a test run and then give up within 10 minutes of playing.
No joke.
Most people who try games (most being MORE than 90%) DO NOT ever complete even 5% of a game they purchase.
I'm serious.
With so little information, but too much ego about "I know what I'm talking about," people would use anything they saw or heard to convince themselves their opinions are correct and anyone who disagrees is wrong. Other perspectives aren't real and/or are evil.

There a numerous other reasons why this (or any media) is criticized, of course.

My special skill is coming up with an almost infinite number of strawmen that I can point to in order to explain why others don't like the same FF games I do.

>>743283325
Squall is basically just Cloud but not as funny or interesting

>>743282426
Because it's very character focused and consequently very cultural. Squall's characterization is at stake with his attitude which changes from わるかったな to whatever. It goes from cultural relatability to a meme of someone who doesn't care. It's supposed to represent societal pressure, responsibility, and self-growth overcoming awkward communcation. Even if you did have perfect context, it's still not relatable to everyone.
>>743298632
This, it's commendable and exactly why I hate modern games that take every solved route for the sake of profit. Entertainment used to be experimental for the sake of creative vision.

>>743282426
Too hard if you're an idiot
Too easy if you're not an idiot

>>743282426
1 Disc 4 is completely unfinished and even kids could tell.
2 It comes after FF7 (which unfinished as well, but it wasn't so evident and on the nose)

>>743282426
It has a promising start, but ultimately ends up not having much going for it other than some of the coolest scenes in the series. If you play Final Fantasy for the spectacle alone and don't care about much of anything else, it's great. Otherwise, it kind of sucks.

I think the default ability order for each GF is part of the filter. It prioritizes things like HP % increase for your GF or whatever, when you should always prioritize the junction, skills, and refinements.

>>743282426
Well the stort is batshit insane and like half the mechanics are straight up busted. Other than that, or perhaps because of that, the game is pretty kino.

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>>743282882
>Redpill me about the way to play this.
Put Squall in yellow or red "critical health" HP levels.
Use "Renzokuken" limit break every time it shows up.
Fights are fun now.

The other part of "playing" is identical. I endorse exploring so you can learn more.

>>743282426
Story is hard to follow in some parts
Squall and Rinoa are just unlikeable the rest of the cast is pretty gud
Music is one of the best FF soundtracks
Level scaling makes it tougher especially for 7 babs
The Draw system was a lot more in-dpeth than materia so 7 babs complained.

>>743308693
Squall rejecting Quistis is one of the best scenes of any FF ever. Characters are great, ESPECIALLY Squall.

Squall x Rinoa may be one of the worst romances in the entire series with only Noctis and Stella's non "romance" being worse. Despite that, FF8 positions itself as a love story centric game.

>>743282426
>>743282550
Everyone liked FFVIII when it released, especially the realistic models. It's just infants who grew up on Spoony's video who pretend otherwise.

>>743308857
He has good scenes but he's still unlikable. Laguna's love story is far better than Squall and Rinoa's

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>>743309027
FF8 would be 10 times better if it was about these two.

>>743282426
Coming after a fan favorite entry and being different from it, so there will be people who will dedicate the rest of their lives on to seething over it on the internet. Many such cases

>>743309161
True and real. 8 should've been Laguna's game

>>743309027
>literally tells his recently fired teach to talk to wall
>I'm supposed to think this is a unfun character

>>743285743
Whatever

>>743308983
Heeeh. I don't know. I much prefered FF7 and I never grew attached to FF8 as much as I did with FF6-7. I think that Laguna split story gimmick should have been shelved and more focus should have been put to develop FF8 main cast/antagonists.

>>743313910
*I never grew attached to FF8's cast as much as I did with FF6-7.* fuckin phone call right in the middle of shit posting.

>>743282426
It's equally good and bad at the same time.

Story wise, the overarching plot is great but the execution is heavily flawed. Basically it's very anime-esque and some parts doesn't make sense the moment you think about it.

Junction system, and the mechanics that support it, is a genius but flawed idea. Magic basically becomes a modifier to change your melee/defense and flat-out stats buff, heavily disincentivizing their usage in combat. The former requires prior knowledge of enemy data to take advantage of fully. What happens is every character becomes more or less the same instead of fulfilling a particular niche in combat.

Plus not knowing how to refine magic from items and cards makes the game a slog to play as you slowly draw them out from enemies.

Triple triad, the mini-game, is THE best mini-game ever created BUT manipulating the rules to make it not suck in late-game is extremely esoteric and time-consuming.

A lot of side quests are also fucking obscure and you'd basically miss most of them without a guide.

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>>743309161
Isn't the whole point of Laguna that he's horribly cliche and a whole game about him would be awful?

>>743316542
That just goes to show that the anons complaining about FF8 love cliche shit.

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>>743316592
Wow!

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The problem with final fantasy 8 as the final final fantasy is the fantasy of final fantasy includes infomatic content from the intrinsic potentiations of humans as actuators of infomatic potentialities. Why do humans junction with the pure infomatic content? Why is the existence of one sorceress axiomatic? Why did squall have dreams of laguna and his fatalistic encounter? The infomatic quotent at the end of final fantasy as an infomatic topographical map requires the ultimate relational validation even within the quantitative compression. Adel was in space why? Because there was no INFORMATION
The lunarian creatures fall to earth where? The pandemonium tower. Because it is the FINAL final fantasy. The infomatic content is fixed and their relationships are the only vectorized nodes which remain. So bahamut and the 'gods' or externalities catalyzing infomatic change i.e. qualia are restricted in validation mechanisms i.e. junctions causing humans to forget which fills the function of externalities as systematized in final fantasy topology. Its the final final fantasy. Junctioning mitigates infomatic fidelity because of the infomatic loss related to entropic processes i.e. externalities.

>>743317856
What?

>>743317943
Final fantasy exists on 4 axis.
Humanity
Externalities
Information
Escalation

These are plots on a topographical map.
Usually 'information' is the conveyence of historicity like crystals, magicite, materia, spells, sometimes magite.
Externalities like: lunarians, gods, summons, jenova or aliens, pure chaos

Humans themselves are interactionalist nodes. They have potentials between chaos and historicity (i.e. preservation of information).

Every game in final fantasy is within these parameters.

Final fantasy 8 is the logical conclusion of these parameters. For example in ffxv bahamut controls externalities and information which is why arden is tortured forever without human information and historicity to qualify noctis' transcendence. Which is why he is a prince of an infomatic kingdom.

In ff8 the gods and information are at a checkmate. Kind of a bad end where humans gain information with no context which is expensive. Ironically the stasis brought about by the sorceress acts to validate the relations of humanity that the party has to overcome this stagnant system.

>>743286023
Dont forget to steal ghost hand for tifa in the trainyard

>>743287226
>Squall felt if he allowed to get attached, it would end up hurting if he lost them
top 5 most unrealistic anime tropes that are everywhere

>>743282426
I simply hate level scaling

>>743316542
>>743316592
>>743317102
>Millennials when faced with a character that is just a chill happy dude
miserable uncs that's why all your characters are written like shittier Squalls

>>743289616
Is there a mod that ditches the retarded level scaling? If there is I'll play it.

Squall is a very relatable character. Possibly the most relatable character in the entire franchise.

>>743320396
Not to mention that he grows into a fucking compassionate leader.
Which is why Kingdom Hearts had him leading the FF characters.

>>743320531
This. He's not just an edgy loner. He has proper character development over the course of the game.

>>743316542
A well done cliche would be better than what we got

>>743320328
I think there is. But it also made the game harder, I think.

>>743319782
Both Squall and Laguna were poorly done, one-dimensionnal caricatures of the "Loner" and the "Happy-go-lucky" protagonists because FF8 was underwritten since Sakaguchi was busy working on the movie at the time. I get it, he wanted to contrast the optimism of the older games with the cynicism of the newer ones, but it comes off as an under-developped theme and unrealistic change of heart at the end of the game. Meh.

>>743320795
Cloud is a bad cliche, what with his memory loss subplot.

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>>743319386
It's not 1:1, bro.
At level 1 or 10 or 100, your early-game T-REX is gonna maul your ass. And the early-game fish won't, either. If you "double" your HP, the answer is "No. All enemies will NOT 'double' their HP, too. In fact, they'll barely gain another 40 HP anyway."
No matter how you slice it, your "level" doesn't mean shit for your stats, or your enemies'.

Fun fact: bosses are level-set, regardless.

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>>743319386
>>743321172
Another example: here is Squall's STR ranging from level 1 to 100.
By context, the "max" number achievable (thanks to Junctioning approprate magic) is 255.

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>>743282426
It made me cry.

>>743282426
it requires having a soul to appreciate it

I haven't played FF8 in ages. Is it true that the enemies scale with the players when you level up?

>>743282426
There's a lot wrong with it but one thing I rarely see brought up is how soulless/droning the overworld feels.
Like compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORpKwkq5z-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcllQRpnLXQ
with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-x2llAIDAY
While FFVIII has plenty of good tracks, Uematsu flubbed the overworld theme. Maybe it was meant to make you feel like Squall (full of anxiety and tedium) but for an overworld theme it's just grating. Overworld themes should fill you with awe and the urge to explore, it should be a reward for finishing an area. FFVIII's made me want to get out of the overworld as fast as possible.
In general I don't like FFVIII's overworld at all. I can't recall it having anything interesting in it that wasn't plot related.

>>743323637
Yes but you can also massively pad your stats via the junction system. So the easiest way to break the game is to not level up (with the ENC-NONE ability) and junction your most powerful magic to your STR and HP.

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>>743282426
I blame Spoony. At the time FFVIII was seen as a good game, just not as good as the best games in the series. Arguably FFIX was the more polarizing one.
Then this motherfucker shows up on the internets to shit all over FFVIII, some points correct but a lot of what he said was just plain wrong. And from then on FFVIII was forever cemented as a bad game in the internet pop culture.
You gotta remember that this was shortly after FFXII had just launched, so we were only a few games removed from FFVIII, and there wasn't yet actual shit like FFXIII in the franchise.
20th anniversary of Part 1 of the FFVIII review saga is coming up in six months

>>743306680
scrolling through this thread it appears you're not alone