https://streamable.com/5s6kgwWhat did we think of the DLC?
good enough that gutting the studio was unnecessary
it's crazy they still think covering your entire screen all the time with seizures inducing particles is somehow a good idea.
Remember when this series used to be about a badass killing demons with guns? Now it's about some gay retard walking around with a spear like a cuck
>>743289543i liked it when he was just an angry guy that really hated hell creaturesthen they added the marvel slop and supporting characters and ruined it
>>74328780210 bombed hospitals/10 would zogmarine again. What were they thinking with that anyway?
>>743287802The Spear exists to make it more like Doom Eternal. Doesn't fix the major problem of no glory kills. At least they patched a way to stop the retarded slowdown when you melee enemies.Also, Commander Theira (or whatever her name is) is still ugly with a miscast VA.
>>743287802shit, all the difficulty comes to rebind yourself the stupid spear and endure the stupid shit until you get shield back, specing ops borderline doomguy backstory with the rabbit being a cope pet is retarded too, secret superweaon its the doom1 shotgun KEK, the retard hugo still bets on the stupid chulthu room and the goofy meatball demon be from that realm
>>743289775can someone translate this 3rd world esl post?
>>743289762also doesnt fix the lack of dash cause it makes another pointless key need to press before dash with the shield
>>743287802Hilarious how Hugo is going back to Eternal-esque gameplay after touting how epic STAND AND FIGHT was. Backpedalling unbelievably hard in design after making the best arenashit fps out there was perhaps not the greatest idea
>>743289583also the only good supporting character was a machiavelan cybernerd that should be a boss you curbstomp in eternal vanilla game
>>743288618nah it was too big ,being 2016 production level is good if they didnt fire most of the engine staff and programmers kek
A huge step in the right direction and much closer to the "middle ground" between eternal and a simpler and more accessible game they seemed to want the game to be>>743289762Gutting glory kills was a long time coming, people were saying since 2016 that cutscene kills ruined the combat flow if they happened 24/7
>>743287802>combat room into combat room into combat room into combat room into combat room into combat room>in order to defeat the lowliest grunt you must perform a 50 hit combo on them after priming them with an elemental attack while juggling and saying the alphabet backwards.gameplay stunk, music was 100 out of 10, story was good too, the flashback sequence was neat and it ended on a cool note, too bad this is how the series dies seeing how everyone at id was shitcanned by microsoft. gonna miss it. overall a solid 7.5/10
>>743290020story was dogshit didnt end with sloiya in a coffin and all this stupid shit was to show the 2016 armor he needed to kill a middle manager demon on roids and the death of king skyrim
>>743287802just because you can increase the game speed doesnt make the game design any betterwetfart super shotgun of the trilogy too
>>743290149also the increase game speed feels like i just put a speedhack it doesnt flow with the audio
>>743290020>>combat room into combat room into combat room into combat room into combat room into combat roomThis is a problem in every nudoom game since they're arenashit, and ironically TDA (especially the DLC) this isn't *as* big of a problem as in 2016 and Eternal
why take away the BFG instead of just making ammo a bit more scarce for it? why do you get the shield back but its perks are locked behind end game? nonsensical
>>743290149Really? Even after they nerfed it I feel like it's the most super shotgun super shotgun of the trilogy. 2016 leans on the second shot to be busted and eternal's enemies are more balanced around combos so it feels "individually" weaker even if still strong
>>743290280its already scarce also dont like its a retarded ballista now but putting the doom1 shotgun its okay with the retarded setting
>>743290280>why take away the BFG instead of just making ammo a bit more scarce for it?Lazy design>why do you get the shield back but its perks are locked behind end game?The first run through is basically just an extended tutorial with some story spoon-fed to make it feel like you're not wasting your time. So they want you to get used to the spear and either mastering it or just learning to bounce between shield/spear. The endgame is the real content.
>>743290493>endgame real content: stupid challenges and pain elemental as an mmo bullet hell boss raiders be like
>>743290280One notable thing about the bfg/bfc is that they apparently discussed not even having it in dark ages. I kinda get it, a lot of people like to treat it like active items in dmc where it's "cheap" to use itMaybe they really wanted people to learn the spear and didn't want anything skipped
>>743290016Turns out, those people were retarded cause Glory Kills were the major selling point. Nobody bought TDA and ID suffered the consequences.
>>743290819I'm sure the reason people didn't buy or disliked TDA was the lack of glory kills, lolIt isn't that the game has such heavy focus on melee/parryingOr even the fact that poorfags can't run it due to raytracing requirement
>>743290897>I'm sure the reason people didn't buy or disliked TDA was the lack of glory kills, lolNo shit. Have you seen the normie opinion?https://youtu.be/WgoLe1_tz-g?si=7enTsksEYR-RlU-y
>>743291128>normie
>>743291157Bitch all you want, normies are the majority who buy your games. And those normies want glory kills.
>>743290819Glory Kills aren't some core point of contention. It's a lot of shit all at once.>go from hyperturbo nutter speed in Eternal to plodding movement with some shield dash rushing in TDA>focus on melee goes from "clear low tiers / hard hit high tiers every so often" to "always be smashing faces in with extended combos", which actually extends a lot of finishers and melee combat out far longer than any glory kill of prior games, especially with the constant slowmotion you can thankfully disable now>glowy projectile parry system and random new gimmicks attached at every possible corner like stalling foes with a shield toss>doomguy loses double jumps AND dashes in favor of a sprint button (no reason not to autorun) and some weird ass pseudo shield tether summon movement>instead of actually presenting the prequel the prior two games were setting up all its lore for, it's literally a monster of the week filler, which took until a $20 DLC to actually have anything meaningful happen besides thira/wraith shitTDA is like it's trying to use its prequel status to be like the interim step of Classic and 2016, but winding everything back in such a schizophrenic, inconsistent, all-over-the-place way is what kept people away. And besides, I doubt it actually faltered on overall playercount - it's just everyone went $20 for Game Pass instead of actually buying the singleplayer game with piss poor replay value, thus tanking its actual direct sales.
There is literally no reason why this game had to make memetracing mandatory. That, more than anything else, killed its sales. Doom 2016 and Eternal both could run reasonably well with a GTX1080. They sold well not only because they're great, but because they're accessible for even potato PCs.
>>743290016glory kills offered iframes and were used strategically akin to viscerals in an action game, the people who complained about it were all terrible or filtered at eternal-You could even keep aerial chains with glory kills
>>743291608Except as I'm finding out in a fresh 2016 playthrough, Glory Kills were also kind of a liability because some enemies will just rush in or camp your ass to hit you as soon as you get out of them, too.
>>743291430>it's just everyone went $20 for Game Pass instead of actually buying the singleplayer game with piss poor replay value, thus tanking its actual direct sales.If there was any truth in that, the Gamepass playtime would've saved ID from the layoffs.As for the story in general, Thiera shouldn't exist, it needed to focus more on King Novik, and honestly, less cutscenes. I'd rather read codex entries ala Metroid Prime.
>>743291648>2016KYS
>>743291538Hitboxes are tied to gaytracing or some shit that's why the newest id tech requires it, sure it might make hitboxes more accurate but not like that was ever a problem, this isn't fromsoftware slop
>>743291796
>>743291538That'd be interesting to see. I doubt raytracing was that big of a factor cause history shows, PC Master Race will upgrade their PCs to play new games. Specifically Doom but maybe a paradigm shift has occurred.
>>743291648You are in fact correct, I thought 2016 was way too easy of a game so I did a back-to-back replay deliberately not using any glorykills unless some mandatory boss fight. It made the game even easier
>>743291810That's not how the raytracing works. It's because they wanted large environments with lots of destructible setpieces and background detail getting blown apart, so they decided for RT global illumination to automatically handle shadows and lighting for them rather than rely on prior baked solutions. Maybe some elements of Indiana Jones' development influenced it too, but it's pretty much for the sake of advancing the engine because they say they could and destruction.
>>743291687>If there was any truth in that, the Gamepass playtime would've saved ID from the layoffs.Considering some studios got shat on hard despite doing good work, I don't think it mattered. Word from their offices, former folks, insiders, etc, all point towards Id being too insular and separate over in Frankfurt from the rest of Microsoft. They'd reject AI, contractor jeets, initially offered out IdTech but then the tech support and lack of dedication from anyone but Machinegames didn't work out so they kept it mostly in-house. Microsoft disemboweled them because as soon as Revelations dropped, Id was no longer "occupied" with a project to require the work force, and MS wants to put a tighter leash on them and try to control their matters more directly, supposedly.It doesn't really matter at that point if The Dark Ages didn't meet expectations, Id was already in the corporate crosshairs for being too expensive while trying to make ends meet.
>>743287802>Eternal players pls we are sorry come back pls pls pls we need money else they shut us down noooo -ackToo little too late
>>743292212Dark Ages being a catastrophic flop not even selling a million copies certainly did matter a lot
>>743291938And then it all got scrapped
>>743291917>but maybe a paradigm shift has occurred.Beginning with the start of Covid, when cryptomemecoins were making GPU prices skyrocket, the whole trend of PC gamers regularly upgrading their PCs every few years because components were generally affordable grinded to a halt. At first, most players reasonably thought that they'd wait things out. The cryptomemecoin frenzy did indeed end, but it was replaced by something even more damaging: AI. The more a PC gamer waited, the worse things got. First it was GPUs. Then it was RAM. And now it's SSDs. If you're someone with an older PC, your only option is to either bite the bullet now or hope that your current PC lasts at least another 5-6 years, because the way things are, prices aren't going to go down any time soon for any component.
>>743290897>I'm sure the reason people didn't buy or disliked TDA was the lack of glory killsYes
>>743292212How dare you respond earnestly, we're pushing narratives here
>>743292221>removed the the super fun meathook from the shotty because STAND UR GROWNDDDD!!!!>*sees player counts plummet*>"UH GUYS, CHECK OUT THIS NEW SPEAR YOU CAN USE TO GRAPPLE ONTO FOES AND LAUNCH YOURSELF TOWARDS THEM!"
Any other examples of a sequel severely backtracking in the gameplay department?
>>743292626>>removed the the super fun meathook from the shotty because STAND UR GROWNDDDD!!!!you can use the shield dash to close the distance and do damage at the same time since the start of the game
>>743287802Bruh what the hell is this lmao
>>743292626Went from a roster of aggressive and well placed enemies and weakpoints that cripple them to boring ass parryslop boss fights and imps doing shield wallsUnbelievable
>>743287802Maybe i AM getting too old for video games. I cant tell what the fuck is happening on screen.
>>743291938barely anything gets destroyed
no one mentioning the filler slop mech and dragon sections
>>743292832The difficulty selection is the only good thing about TDA btw, not because I want easy mode but because I want my games to be difficult
>>743293085they're not present in the dlc
>>743292832DE is one of the greatest action games ever. Not only did its action encompass a wide range of action elements (movement, positioning, combo execution, crowd control, etc.), it excelled really well in just about all of these elements. Then you get to D:TDA that guts the combo execution aspect and nerfs movement, which has the effect of also nerfing other elements like crowd control since you have to design around this nerfed movement system.
Not sure if anyone else noticed but the highest damage weapon in the game ends up being the base plasma machine gunyou use the stupid spear chain that spins you around the enemy and it increases the firerate and the discharge blast charge speed so youre just shitting those out and the AoE is giganticAll the other weapons just feel like shit in comparison
>>743287802I don't know if this looks fun, exhausting to play or both
Why are DOOM fans so fucking retarded and such fucking shitflinging whiny bitchesThe nu-DOOM trilogy is really consistent across the board and it's literally the only AAA "classic", boomshoot/arena shooter (whatever meme term you want to put on it) IP on the marketThere's not a single bad game in this trilogyThey all have different strengths and weaknesses, but overall there isn't any other singleplayer FPS experience that can remotely even compare in the last 15 years
The DLC is really really good, Dark Ages is now on par with Eternal in terms gameplay complexityThere is one really retarded thing thoughIt's the fact that you cannot replay the DLC story from beginning to end with your fully upgraded kitYeah the levels all have some good replayable end game content post-story, but there isn't an actual "NG+" for the DLC story, it triggers my OCD like crazy, if you want to redo the whole thing then you have to start a new save and grind everything all over again, it's such a weird oversight
Got soft locked/10. Steam forums mention it a lot, many people either quit playing or die during a fight and spawn outside the still active barrier.
>>743293853If Hugo wanted for people to not shit on Dark Ages, maybe he should've released it before Eternal that literally redefined arenashit fps
That boss fight against Marok (the son of your doombro who'll become the Icon of Sin in Eternal) is no joke, jesus christMight be the hardest boss in all of NuDoom (even harder than Samur Maykr in Eternal), yet it is funI have basically depleted all three of my extra lives against this faggot>>743293992Seconding thisI'd love to be able to replay the story, to fight Marok again and crush his ass with my fully upgraded spear and shieldHopefully they planned this in the next update, because this choice is really puzzling
>>743289543Spear is chad weapon retard, it's the weapon of heroes
>>743287802i am not suffering through the main game it is so fucking boring, can you jump straight into this with all weapons/upgrades like tag1?
>>743294209cuck weapon*
>>743293853Now that I think of it, it's true that nuDOOM is the only AAA classic shooter IP, id Soft basically has no competition, everything else in this genre is shabby, clunky AA shit, and indie shit
>>743294319i still cant forgive those faggots at 3drealms who tried to make a multiplayer only Painkiller game
>>743287802It's peak nuDoom, easily.
>>743294181Loved this boss, I'm a sucker for mirror kind of boss fights in shooters, same reason I loved the Chadrauder in Eternal
>>743287802Having him without a helmet bothers me so muchI don't care about any of the story but this I can't get over
>>743294495Don't worry, you get the proto-Praetor suit at the end
>>743294551So this DLC ends with him sealed in the tomb where you start 2016, or what?
>>743294369And just when you thought those retards learned their lesson, Devolver swoops in and does the same shit again.
>>743294551It looks better than in 2016 but there's only so much they can do to unfuck it. The helmet is still ugly.
>>743294640serious sam was never good anyway
>>743294584No the DLC ends right when the Argent D'Nur Civil War startsYou know, that time (from Eternal's Codex) where Doomguy becomes a warlord, and leads his rogue faction of Sentinels against the Maykr loyalistsAfter a while, they get trapped in hell (by Valen "the Betrayer", that lone Giganigga in hell in Eternal) and it's there that Doomguy eventually has a whole ass temple dropped on his head, then billions of years pass, and DOOM 2016 starts
>>743294764Why is the nudoom lore so complicated, it's fucking doom know your audience
>>743287802The inability to replay levels is stupid, when every previous nudoom had that functionality.
>>743294815ID believe people love convoluted and silly lore filled with Proper Nouns
>>743294815I understand people not liking itPersonally I just find this "lore" to be just dumb funBasically it's as if it had been written by a 14 years old edgelord, and that's what makes it fun to me
semen retention meter refilled based on how often you parry attacks and nonstop weaponswapping boosted by how many funk-o pops doomguy has displayed in his quirk chungus fortress of DOOM>id employees will pretend they didn't deserve to be laid off for doing this to Doom
>>743293853>it's literally the only AAA "classic", boomshoot/arena shooter (whatever meme term you want to put on it) IP on the marketQuake Champions mogs plus see picrel
>>743295039>QuakeWho?
>>743295039nudooms are not retro shooters you retarded faggot they *are* arena shooters, just not the multiplayer kind you masturbate over but never actually play
>>743294640Serious Sam has always had shitty spinoff games.
>>743295084>the multiplayer kind you masturbate over but never actually play
>>743294551I like all Nu-DOOMs Praetor suit designs, my favorite being Eternal, but his Dark Ages main game suit really goes hard I think
>>743295140>220 hours since 2017Correct, you don't play.
Nu-Doom and nu-Wolf=CoDified moviegame slop
>>743295292Your inability to substantiate this speaks volumes.
>>743295274>make your life quake or it doesn't count!
>>743287802White Boy Summer is back on menu
>>743287802>secret easter egg fight is tge hardest in the Revelations 2 archiviles, constant healf and shield boosts, cyber demon, hunter, komodo and 2 "shamblers"
>>743295405>WhiteLooks Spaniard or Greek>But muh Greeks are whiteWhy did Nazi chuds genocide Greeks and commit heinous crimes there during WWII?
>>743295429don't forget arachna in armor and flying fucks
>>743295451He's white lil bro
>>743295451Why are chinks/spics/pajeets like this?
>>743295451t. least brown man in america
>>743295547Plenty of Southern Europeans live in America and Autralia where they faced extreme racism for decades but became rich and successful, yes
>>743287802The video that saved DOOM TDA
Is there a point of using shield instead of spear? In my experience spear offers much more perks then the shield
>>743295765Isn't Shield only there for the post game grind and not actually intended for the last bit of story?
>>743295809You unlock its full potential only after beating the main story.
Khan
>>743295765It's more forgiving with parries because the block is instant while the spear's has a slight delay on it. You can still throw it to disable enemies from afar, and parrying projectiles still activates the runes. In postgame, you can get the ability to cause a falter to everything around you when switching.I didn't really see the point in using it either, until I got to the postgame arenas.
>>743295938I think I've only used it for Endgame Boss, so I could break his wall of projectiles
>>743296145I found myself actually switching back and forth after getting to the arenas after that boss.
>>743295765the parts of marok's fight where you're just parrying like azrahk are maybe more suitable for the shield especially if you're using gauntletsafter you get the endgame perks like "shield parry charges spear" there's little reason you can't get the best of both worlds
>>743287802Doom should be slow and spooky like 3 was
>>743296229It's good against not-Shamblers, because somehow spear not properly blocking or parrying their attacks.
>>743289543>>743289583It was supposed to be (you) surviving the horrors of hell as a human. They ruined it all with marvel slop, taking joke lore seriously and trying to turn Doomguy into Chuck Norris.
>>743293853I'm critical of TDA because Eternal is a top 5 game for me and I would've enjoyed further iteration, but it's not a bad game nor is it a safe game- they probably could've made a game just like 2016, but they didn't, and I appreciate the attempt to put a new spin on things- I'm just being honest about what I prefershitposters aside casualdads and actual classic doom superfans seem to be the main groups with people who actually resent nudoom
>>743296320Yeah, I pull it out against them and the Cyberdemons. Using the dash to dodge hits is easy enough, but it's much more consistent for me to get into shield block+impaler duels with them.
>>743296415>main groups with people who actually resent nudoomsame people who want online arena shooters and Quake 3 like games, but when they come out no one playing them.
>>743296415I like the original games more than anything, and the only Doom game I dislike is 2016. While Eternal and Dark Ages are nothing like the originals, they are confident enough in what they do for me to appreciate them.2016 is an identity crisis of a game.
How often did you use '93?
>>743296757Cyberdemons with buff flags or cosmic knights
>>743289543>Ok you're a badass with all these guns? Let's see how badass you are fighting the same shit but only with a spearHow is it any less badass getting stripped of all your armour/weapons and then having go medieval on their asses? If anything it just shows how angry he actually is
>>743295039>Speaks favorably of fucking Halo but shits on Titanfall 2You've never fragged shit nigger, there's a reason you only have QC hours
why are AAA games allergic to good level design
>>743289543Not just any gay retard. A gay retard that blows up hospitals with children in it. All of ID deserves to get laid off.
>>743296938Try to attack any person who has a gun with a spear. Huh? What's that? You got shot and bleeding to death like a pathetic cuck? That's what I thought
>>743297023Titanfall 2 had great ideas, but too much shit holding it back from being a great game.
>>743297235Which is why you won't say any of them and hope such a non-answer and complete retreat from getting called the fuck out will prevent you from having to substantiate your claims.
So what was Samuel's plan again?>I'm going to kidnap Father because of...
>>743297359I prefer to pretend the lore and story of Eternal just doesn't exist.
>>743297319The good:>Slide hopping>The grappling hook>Projectile weapons that require some skill to useThe bad:>Hitscan that can instantly melt you from across the map>Instakill melee strike that turns every fight at a certain range into seeing who can mash the punch button fastest>The titans
>>743297402Which is pretty easy cus you can just skip all the cutscenes. 2016 thought it was really clever but ironically focuses more on story cus you can't skip it
>>743287802once you get good at the chainspear the fun zone begins and never stops
>>743297319I'm not the guy you replied to. Ignore him. TF2 is utter garbage and so embarrassing it can't be barely called a shooter>Fake movement tech such as wallrunning, (fake)double jump and grapple hooks, hitscan ADS slop instead of weapons that require real aim, maps that are poorly made and might as well be from roblox, no FPS fundamentals, no duel mode with SBMM so you can hone your skills, marvel writing CoD campaignEtc. it's slop only consolebabies love
>>743297441>Hitscan that can instantly melt you from across the mapHitscan is an arena shooter staple since forever, lrn2railgun>Instakill melee strike that turns every fight at a certain range into seeing who can mash the punch button fastestMelee's only good at mid-tiers and if you're playing with people who are actually good you'd know they all avoid melee kills because you spend so much time getting close that it leaves you open to a frag>The titansYou're simply a homosexual for hating giant robots>743297770You have never actually played it and Ic an tell specifically by the hitscan ADS comment
>>743297770>hitscan ADS slop instead of weapons that require real aimNot a single fuckin gun in Quake Champions with the kind of aim tech like using a portable black hole to curve the bullets from an anti-tank rifle to hit people around corners and counter mobility btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekhg7ZiXB_I
>>743297973>GameplayLooks like boring dogshit. Maps look attrocious people actually prefer this goyslop over QC?
Is the skull gun even good? I don't remember using it once in DLC. In theory it should be good for quick healing, but you get much more health and armo just for killing and executions.
>>743298092it's a chaff/fodder clearing gun, nothing special
>>743298073Post frags swarthy little QCbabby
>>743294764Nu-Doom's story is such an unnecessarily convoluted clusterfuck, holy shit.>>743294870>it's as if it had been written by a 14 years old edgelordA 14 year old would know his audience and understand the concept of keeping the story simple so it doesn't impede the action. It's more like it was written by a 40+ year old manchild Warhammer fanboy with a hard on for apostrophes in the middle of names.
>>743297189Using a gun means you are pathetic weak sperm
After finishing the dlc I got a doom itchWhat should i play
Uhh yeah.. that happened.
>>743298578doom
thanks i never would have known my armor and suit were damaged if you hadn't shown it happen in the cutscene and in-game after the cutscene
>>743289762If you jump into an execution it will do a glory kill
>>743298636that's nuDoom for you, unimmersive menu popups and tutorials
>>743289762>no glory killsThe only time I saw them in DA was scripted boss kills, never happened once with regular enemies.
>>743289762>Doesn't fix the major problem of no glory kills.wait, you mean Dark Ages doesn't have mandatory glory kill cancer? damn i think you just sold me on the game lmao i'll pirate it
>>743295178It's the only thing I like about TDA. That whole berserker aesthetic he's got, with the spiked shield, the fur cape, the flail and even the spear chucking and all that. Which is ironic that we're getting it in TDA when it would have suited his Eternal gameplay way better with all the frenetic mobility and aggression it affords.
quake niggers tongue my anus.
>>743298787There's a couple of contextual ones, but generally you just punch something when it's flashing and it dies.
>>743297889>Hitscan is an arena shooter staple since foreverYeah, let me just use my on-spawn machine gun to 3-tap someone from across the map at 900rps. Totally the same thing. Retard.
>>743301985None of the auto weapons can cross the map lmao you literally haven't played the gameThe highest range weapons are all projectiles with drop-off or very slow speeds with wide spreads
>>743302406>Machinegun>Can't do meaningful damage from afarDogshit game design
>>743302406https://youtu.be/K7psBrQg8yQLiterally the second kill of this video is someone getting melted at a pretty far distance, quickly.
>>743292835The gameplay's sped up a bit maybe by the in game modifier, maybe in post to account for file size or something. It make a lot more sense when at normal speed when you are actually playing it and eased into mechanics.
I felt like the base game was a downgrade from Eternal in almost every way, does the dlc do anything better?
>>743294764>No the DLC ends right when the Argent D'Nur Civil War startsFuck so the next dlc or game is going to be way more cutscenes and storyslop?
>>743294551Speaking of suits, I was shocked to learn that TDA basically only has reskins in terms of unlockable suits.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ8g_0YSBoECompare that with Eternal having so many different suits you can unlock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XIVnTh2chkAlso, where the fuck are the Master Levels for TDA?
>>743294870>Personally I just find this "lore" to be just dumb funEveryone's got their own reasons for being annoyed but what bothers me the most is that it's grabbing bits of medieval shit for aesthetics but deciding that actually it needs to just be generic spaceshit when an actual medieval setting with magic and shit would have been way cooler. The thing that angered me the most was them putting their fingers up to their ears like the fucking avengers movie when they're speaking on their telephones, it's beyond parody and I know the worst is yet to come because the same people who did this are still running the show. I just want it to commit to something.People mock FromSoftware for the vague lore shit but Doom's started doing exactly the same thing with its vibes-based setting and this bizarre setup where everyone's always losing forever, hopelessly outmatched, and seemingly unable to defend themselves or strike back without (you) coming in to kill things.
You know what i always wanted from Doom? A shit ton of overwritten lore and avengers style cutscenes.
>>743303969Hold ESC to skip
>>743303273It's basically Eternal, but without weapon juggling. The spear gives you a grappling hook, dash, and a hammeresque ground pound.
I frequently oscillate between the position that all the nu-Dooms are the only interesting FPS games in this era and thus worth not only playing but studying and then other times when I feel like making it part of the Doom IP was a mistake and even if it weren't, there's still lots of questionable ideas in each nu-Doom that are rarely scrutinized because the polarized discourse is feverishly obsessed with the ways each game differs from each other instead of the things that never changed since 2016. Things like the high emphasis on character progression and nu-id's approach with game design oriented around player engagement are just total cancer that will likely be grandfathered into the genre to some degree with the passage of time just because of the big splash the nu-Doom series made.
>>743297070Too many cooks in the kitchen.
>>743304027>the nu-Dooms are the only interesting FPS games in this era and thus worth not only playing but studying Again, that's Quake Champions
>>743304116No one givea a fuck about Quake fucking tard
>>743304116lmfao
>>743304009nta but>it's eternal without the shit I hateI'm buying right now and I will make a very angry post in a later doom thread if you have lied to me.
>>743304116single player fpsI don't really care about MP outside of co-op.
>>743304009But the weapon juggling was the best part of Doom Eternal. Marauders flash and if you're fast, pop pop motherfucker.
>>743304027Ultrakill isn't even finished yet and it's better than 2016 and TDA.
>>743304027>nu-Dooms are the only interesting FPS games in this eraAAAcattle say the darnest things
>>743304249>UltrakillTranny game.
>>743289871Eternal was fucking dogshit and not a single one of those Covid era casuals is buying NuDoom again.
>>743303273Revelations > Eternalunironically
>>743303273How about watching the video in the OP you fucking retard?
>>743304343You can't dislike eternal without also disliking 2016 since they're essentially the same game but eternal is just more, what you are is a performative male doing faux outrage
>>743304482>essentially the same game but eternal is just more,If I put some salt on my baked potato it's good. If I dump the entire container of salt on my baked potato it becomes bad. Science has yet to explain this.
>>743294209Nah, the sword is the weapon of heroes. The spear of the weapon of foot soldiers
>>743304597>le reddit food analogyit's not the gotcha you think it is
>>7433044822016 doesn't make you juggle 5 Overwatch powers, have infinite chaff enemies and rock paper scissors tier weapon design. I don't even like 2016, I think it's mediocre, but it's better than Eternals dogshit design made for ADD ridden redditors. Eternal faggots kille the franchise and I'm glad.No more NuDoom reddit shit
>>7433044822016's combat has no fun zone, doesn't let you reach a flow state. That's the game's biggest issue, and it's the main difference from Eternal.
>>7433047022016 is the game that introduced the funkopops you hate so muchIt also has loads of unskippable cutscenes
>>743304673>If a doctor draws blood from you, you think it is fine. If someone breaks into your apartment and skins you alive to make a suit, you might think it is bad. The Quran provides no guidance on this matter. Does this work better for you?
>>743304253The indies are worth checking out, but they won't ever pave the way for future trends. They're just part of the trend. Before Revelations dropped, I was playing Metal Eden, and gameplay wise it's mostly Doom Eternal. Selaco is kinda Half-Life 1, kinda FEAR. Much of the indie FPS scene have their entire appeal being where they're transparently taking their ideas from.
>>743304832I think some meds would work for you
>>743304767The fuck does that even mean?Getting the unlimited ammo with max health upgrade and dodging all enemy fire while shooting continuously to keep it, is better than anything Fagternal has to offer.Eternals "flow state" is doing the same boring shit for 10 continuous hours, but hey here's some bing bing wahoo platforming, enjoy!
I just got the spear and im getting my ass handed to meneed to rewire my brain back into dodging and moving more, the shield was simply too easy to play withi dont mind that the games are now heavier in loreAlso first thing i did was to switch the binds to aim and parry with the spear to match the inputs of throw and parry of the shield
here's that exciting thrilling flow state doom 2016 gameplay i was telling you aboutriveting
>>743305075>i dont mind that the games are now heavier in loreI wouldn't mind if it had more thought and effort put into it.
>>743305176AYYYYYYYY DIOS MIO DELETE THIS PICTUREDO NOT REDEEM THE ETERNAL
>>743304810Yes, and Eternal doubled down on all of that>>743305176Yes, and better than Eternals combat
>>743305298Eternal has just as many funkopopsAll of its cutscenes are also skippable
> Doom> the major problem of no glory killsReminder that we're sharing the planet with these subhumans.
>>743304945>The fuck does that even mean?It means that Doom 2016's gameplay is not fun enough to immerse the player into a state of intense focus when he's making constant microdecisions purely on instinct, and the difficulty is perfectly balanced with the game's mechanics and the player's abilities. Games with good moment-to-moment gameplay create this state for the player. Doom 2016 does not because its gameplay is very shallow and boring, and never really evolves from what you see in this webm.Eternal and Dark Ages both have their style of flow state, as did the original Dooms. 2016 does not.
>>743304810The funko pops in 2016 were just in game collectables that did nothing more than act as secrets. While they were a bit silly, they were nothing like collecting a literal funko pop wall for the redditor appealing streamer room.It's almost like there is some nuance, a scale, a point where something goes from eye rolling worthy to absolute cringe.
>>743304202https://litter.catbox.moe/a2hpbt.mp4Here's my shitty gameplay of one of the postgame fights, where I keep forgetting that I have my shield out instead of my spear. I don't know if it will look as choppy in the video, but OBS made it feel pretty shitty to play. I forgot to put heat blast on when fighting the pain elemental.>>743304224To each their own. I thought the combos were a bit mindless, because everything goes down in the same exact way. Dark Ages isn't much better because it goes too far in the opposite direction, where one gun can be used for every fight.
>>743305473Oh no, they are displayed on a shelf in Eternal, the absolute horror
>>743305420NuDoom subhumans are just Halo faggots with somehow lower T>>743305441I'm not reading that retarded word salad
>>743305538Being ironically passive agressive just makes you look like a woman
>>743305560Ok here's a short version: Doom 2016's combat is banal and shallow. There.
>>743305636About as shallow as Eternal, except Eternal added layers of bullshit before you can kill anything.
>>743305075>Also first thing i did was to switch the binds to aim and parry with the spear to match the inputs of throw and parry of the shieldThe keybinds hurdle seems to be a common issue and not just because the dlc launched without default binds for the spear.I switched the inputs because meathook made no sense as anything other than RMB but the same for parrying with the shield. Over time I just defaulted to using the shield and the spear only for dashes.Gameplay centered around parrying was a mistake.
>>743305473Funko pops are funko pops, it doesn't matter if they're displayed in a menu or in a hub map.
>>743287802This clip unironically made me try the game, I fucking loved Doom Eternal and I thought Dark Ages was just parryslop.Thank you mr. marketer.
>>743287802>Naked women bad!>Naked heman good!God i hate burgers and their double standards
>>743305753Redditcore to the maxStill, Eternal doubled down on this crap
>>743305489>gameplayIf Dark Ages had played like this from the start it would not have gotten nearly as much shit from people. That looks great.
>>743305825It didn'tIt has just has many as 2016
>>743305876There are more and they are on display like it's some fucking Snoytubers background
>>7433051762016fags are the most boring niggers alive, its like the worst parts of classic doom and nudoom in one boring game, what an incredibly milquetoast game to want to latch onto. At least the devs grew a spine and made something worth playing afterwards even if it made /v/ seethe uncontrollably
>>743305932see>>743305538>>743305753
>>743305932They are on display in the dedicated easter eggs room in the hub which you don't even have to go to at allHub you don't even go to at all once you finish the game because you will just launch levels from the menu
>>743293853The Dark Ages is a bad game
>>743287802Really good, some of the best nu-doom content. I thought the true final boss was pretty good but it sucked that he was just a giant pain elemental or whatever the Lovecraftian ones are called.
>>743305176>Woah 2016 is le heckin' based! xD>It doesn't le care about le story!! x)Today, I will remind them.
>>743305075Is doomguy canonically a slav?
>>743305934To me 2016 feels like an insecure hybrid between Painkiller and Doom 3.
>>743306124So is Eternal
>>743306183>Those walls of textKEKNice game you got there, 2016 retards
>>743306183Eternal is worse because of terrible capeshit lore dumps.>>743306216Eternal feels likes an insecure hybrid between Painkiller and Overwatch
>>743306228So is 2016
>>743287802It saved the game in my opinion
>>743306304>Eternal is worse because of terrible capeshit lore dumps.Press ESC to skip
>>743306342YesAll NuDooms are shit2016 is the least shit
>>743306124>>743306228>>743306342based, nu-Doom sux
>>743306183Everytime a 2016 nigger glaze his shit game and tells us it doesn't care about story, I just burst out laughingThey are only referring to the very beginning of the game where Doomguy just shove the computer aside, while conveniently forgetting the many times where the game locks you inside a room and force feeds you pointless exposition, which you literally can never skip
>>743306390>You control the buttons you pressStill there fuckface
>>743306391They're all equally bad.
>>743289762>Doesn't fix the major problem of no glory killsI didn't think there was anyone who would be frustrated about cutting (most of) the canned animations out of finishers.
>>743306452Concession accepted
>>743306427Nobody is glazing 2016, just stating that it's a better game than Eternal.But because Eternal babies are insecure little manlets, they see any kind of criticism and comparison as a direct threat to their favorite little piece of shit that they played during the Covid lockdowns.
>>743297441>>The titansKys, Titans are GOATed
>>743287802Imagine being such a woke flop that you get a decade old studio shut down.
>>743287802I hate how much story they're putting into Doom and how much they're trying to make the Slayer aura farm.Dark Ages just felt very reddit to me, especially with the forced badassery, dragon sections, mech sections, etc.Haven't played tihs dlc yet but it looks to me like they just turned game back into eternal after realizing their mistakes lol
>>743306529So far I'm only seeing 2016 niggers chimping out
>>743306621They deserve it after Eternal
>>7433065292016 has been consistently glazed since it released, both by people who never played a real FPS prior and by people who got filtered by Eternal.
>>743293853>"I have no money and I must complain" - nu/v/
>>743306631You're the one making multiple post essays bud
>>743306698nah, that's hayden when he gives you your first upgrade lol
>>743306660Sure bud, and Eternal is an underrated masterpiece!
>>743305176NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DELETE THIS YOU FUCKIGN RETARD
>>743294815Our time has passed, John.
>>743287802>"stand and fight!!">game bombs>"just kidding here's your meathook back xD"Holy humiliation ritual is it good?
>>743306768Gottem LMAO
>>743293853>The nu-DOOM trilogy is really consistent Yeah, like the corn in my shit
>>743306768devilish
>>743306624>"felt very reddit to me">unironically uses the phrase 'aura farm'we've got ourselves a gen alpha here, not even a zoomer
>>743306782>>743306843>Gets so butthurt by the Sony thread he starts samefagging againlmao
>>743306624>>743306902What does that mean lmao
>>743306776No, it's an accurately-rated masterpiece.
>>743306902You think that was an unironic usage?I think the term is dumb but it fits to what they're trying to do with the Doom Slayer, they're trying to appeal to zoomers how actually use the term
>>743306228Nah, Eternal is just mid, and I mean that in its actual sense of middling, not like the zoomers who say mid when they mean abysmal dogshit.2016 good. It's a flanderized version of doom but still fun.Eternal is OK. The story is more cringe, the gameplay has some unnecessary elements added, the technicolor pickups fuck with the vibe a bit, and the level design isn't as good. But it does have some cool new features and the core gameplay is still fun.Dark Ages is just awful, the fun is completely sucked out by the stand and fight, parryslop, red light green light gameplay, and the story cringe is 10x worse than Eternal.
>>743307198>and the story cringe is 10x worse than Eternal.Nothing in Dark Ages is even remotely as cringe as the AVENGERS HERE COME THE PORTALS!! scene from Eternal's DLC. Nothing comes close.
>>743307284But that was kino thoughbeit
>>743305176it speaks volumes how you can post footage of completely ordinary 2016 gameplay and 2016niggers will instantly go on the defensive because even they on some level understand it looks incredibly boring
>>743306804I mean it's an objective improvement over the base game.>at least briefly takes the shield away from you>encounters are a similar step up from Dark Ages as TAG was to Eternal>zero mech or dragonBut I still think that parry centered combat ultimately reduces your tactics to the same shit every time.
>>743307284the last DLC of eternal was shit but the main game is still good
>>743305176The nu-Doom audiences really deserve all the crap they put themselves through.
>>743307284I never played the DLCs because I heard they were shitGuess i heard right lol
>>743287802There hasn't been a mod for doom 2 that replicates the gameplay of dark ages into the 2.5D game, which is proof enough that dark ages is shit
>>743287802What the fuck happened in between eternal and dark ages? Eternal was really popular but then I dark ages comes out and I saw no threads and discussion in general about it
>>743307507The worst part about the DLC is that it added so many positive changes that will likely never be seen on the base game's maps. So that entire campaign is a waste now.
>>743307486Nobody even replied to the bait you delusional retard lol
>>7433081091. Eternal released a DLC that was pretty controversial, and this marked a sharp rise of criticism against nuDoom.2. TDA had forced raytracing, which meant anybody with a rig older than 6 years was locked out of playing it.3. TDA cost 80 dollars at launch.4. TDA was a departure from many gameplay elements people thought were crucial to Eternal's success, and most of the new mechanics in TDA were not as succesful.5. TDA no longer had Mick Gordon making the music which affected its public image, even though honestly the soundtrack isn't much worse than Mick's
>>743308109Eternal wasn't a complete departure from the previous game, and released right when everyone was stuck inside for the better part of a year.Dark Ages did a 180 from Eternal, released at a time when hardware is extremely expensive(while requiring more modern hardware), was $80, available through game pass, was full of gimmick mechanics and levels, and didn't have a battle pass system to keep people replaying levels every week.
>>743308109Covid was the reason Eternal was even as half as successful as it was
>>743308398>anybody with a rig older than 6 years was locked out of playing itI tried playing the demo for 2016 once on my 6950, and it couldn't even hit 30fps on minimum settings.Meanwhile, Dark Ages ran well enough on my current 6700xt.
>>743308154I don't really think it matters. They made all the non-fodder enemies except for the Rev Arch-Vile reward you for being hit. They didn't even deprive the spear of the parrying effect, just delayed the timing of it.
>>743308398>2. TDA had forced raytracing, which meant anybody with a rig older than 6 years was locked out of playing it.considering the instant load times and how the devs said raytracing in idtech 8 speed up dev time, are we really complaining about actual good tech rather than the same mid 2010s mocap or UE5 slop that runs at 90 frames with stutters on 1440p at high end specs?>3. TDA cost 80 dollars at launch.true, Bethesda fucked ID with that one, even Outer Worlds 2 flopped due to that >4. TDA was a departure from many gameplay elements people thought were crucial to Eternal's success, and most of the new mechanics in TDA were not as succesful.Hugo long said even before the 2nd dlc for Eternal released that the next game would be different than Eternal. Glory kills being replaced with executions speed up the pace and fits with TDA's parry system. Do we want an annual doom game that would've been Eternal 2 ?>5. TDA no longer had Mick Gordon making the music which affected its public imageAs much as Marty fucked Mick over, i think the Mick Gordon boycotters are a minorityMain causes of TDA's weak launch were the 80$ price tag, gamepass eating sales for both pc and xbox, not having the disable slowmo and Ripatorium at launch and the gameplay advertisements making the game look slowpaced due to the controller gameplay when base game is fast paced when palyed properly (even b4 the spear)
>>743308154I don't think it'll be difficult for modders to somehow figure out how to add the chainspear to the base campaign.
>>743287802jesus, the only shitty gimmick it's missing now is rail grinding
>>743309151>not having the disable slowmoThis was the main reason I bounced off TDA at launch. The constant slowdowns just ruined the flow. As soon as the patch that fixed this dropped, I instantly reduced it to 0% and never looked back.
>>743309151>the devs said raytracing in idtech 8 speed up dev timenta but I was always incredulous at this 2bh, especially when we actually saw the levels Dark Ages had. What is the point of any of this crap if the actual gameplay aspect of the level design is so limp dick compared to some wad you could've played since 2015?
>>743309330PEAK GAMEPLAY THE RACING GENRE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME
>>743309330Player status: engaged
>>743309102I like moving around.
>>743294551>the legs KEK
>>743309424Baked lighting takes a long time.
>>743294584should be but nope even betrayer didnt betray yet
>>743309636To me it's not about preference anymore as much as what the devs forced the meta to be, and the one in Dark Ages has no downside at all. So on the occasion that the game's intensity is overwhelming you, repeatedly, you are likely to switch back to parryslopping.
>>743287802I like Dark Ages, love 2016 and hate Eternal. Will I enjoy the DLC?
>>743294815yup should have copypasted evil dead 3 movie to the letter
>>743295005>Wanna parry bullets with spear? BUY THIS STUPID SKILL TREE NODE ALSO IT ISNT PARRY LIKE GREEN PROYECTILES
>>743295482This is supossed to be the same guy that got stomped by a roided middlemanager demon and then killed evilgodself
>>743295765tank hits
>>743309907Idk man. Eternal took 4 years, Dark Ages took 5. Now making those gigantic levels with the mech, dragon, or even just the larger, more open shooting levels with baked lighting sure, but all of those were a mistake anyway for pure gameplay reasons.What advantage is it to me as a player if the level designer's job is easier but their work is still lesser?
>>743296293nah should be shoot demons with a shotgun and more guns not parry retarded shit
>>743303387i dont think jeets gonna keep funding hugo retarded universe just doom in ue6
>>743304008its space KEK
>>743287802>Council of six evil demons>Only fight one of themThanks Hugo
>>743304224ok baby retard
Dark Ages sucks, idtech sucks, id studio sucks.Thank god they're all getting replaced with jeets and the next Doom game will be made with UE5.
>>743310318you right, you forgot about not watching a fucking cutscene every time you kill an enemy or every 10 minutes of gameplay some story no one gives a fuck about
>>743304767>wah i dont have green parries not funny
>>743310541he isnt part of the council you fight devil charlie kirk on roids
>Adds an ugly tranny>Studio gets hit with layoffsEverytime
>>743287802Very good. Still need to get around to Ultra Nightmare.
>>743310541The council is comprised of 6 other demons. Belias was just their glorified secretary.
>>743310576Good morning, Saar.
>>743310273The open levels were the best parts of Dark Ages.
>>743310273>I want more levels that are glorified hallway simulators that have no exploration whatsoever!Found the 2016 fan. Siege Part 1 was probably the best level in the game.
>>743311060Let me guess hes the "uber boss" that they marketed
>>743310820not a tranny white debra wilson
>>743296293Nobody with a brain likes 3. It’s the bastard child of the series for a reason. Doom is supposed to be action first, horror second. Getting locked in a room while someone lore dumps you, code hunting, and getting jumpscared constantly just isn’t Doom.
>>743311253funny given eternal have one entire level doing nothing but walking to kill gladiator big marauder boss and the last hell priest
>>743311539also the worst shotgun ever made
>>743298787It doesn't but ironically enough all the melee/parry slowmos break up the pace of the game even more. You can turn down the slowmo now, which is good, but I find TDA's gameplay far more disruptive in general than glory kills ever were.
>>743311261uberboss its a pain elemental with mmo bullet hell powers, the "henchman" its the one that "humble the sloiya"
>>743309907this is fake fucking news spread by last nu-game dev hacks
>>743309907in open world games
>>743311261Nope. You’re thinking about the end game boss, which is a giant Eldritch Pain Elemental called Xal'Goroth. The fight is actually really challenging and fun, but it’s clear that id can only do so much with their budget, and with only a year to make their DLCs.
>>743311223The arenas in the open levels were the largest and flattest, which meant you could abuse space itself to deflate the threat from any enemy that could even survive the parry shredder.There's a reason that people briefly memed on the Cthulthu stomach encounter at launch, because it was undisputably the hardest challenge to be found in Dark Ages and that was because it was small and enclosed with hazardous floors covering most of it. When the player's ability to outmaneuver enemies and their attacks is as absurd as it's been since Quake, the level designer needs to stop them from breaking the game.>>743311253Least deranged nu-Doom fag.
>>743311615I was about to say that too, but I accidentally hit the post button.
>>743287802This game was so shit it got ID Tech destroyed, Eternal chads won.
>>743287802I wanted to try a few more levels of the base game to confirm I don't really like it, even when the game finally gets going. I doubt I will play the DLC.
>>743287802how do you give players freedom to play how they want but also make sure that players can't simply just use one weapon to beat everything and actually have to change up their strategy/weapons?
>>743311843Only faggot here is you.
>>743311615Doom 3's shotgun works within the context of Doom 3. 2016's shotgun is worse, because it has the same shit spread but now with worse damage and more open maps.
>>743311935You morons are interchangeable. You just fanfuck over which nu-Doom you prefer the most and then see any and all criticism of it as inherently tied to the others fanfucking over them instead. No one pays attention to what any of you say because you carry yourselves like teenagers.
>>743311926What are you talking about? You can abuse the SSG as much as you want when you get it. The whole game was designed so you can use whatever’s more comfortable for you instead of locking every weapon to a specific purpose like Eternal. Sure, some weapons and upgrades are geared towards specific play styles, but you never really get forced to use them if you don’t want to. This goes doubly so for Revelations, since having the spear and shield significantly opens ups more possibilities for combat.
>>743312409>but you never really get forced to use them if you don’t want toSame with most of Eternal
>>743312036It doesn’t, and 2016’s shotgun is objectively better, especially with the weapon mods.
>>743311926You can't have the immersive sim mindset with action games. They are mutually exclusive.>give players freedom to play how they wantWe should stop acting like this is a virtue in itself. Something something quote about players optimizing the fun out of the game.
>>743312476"Most" being the operative word. There are several enemies that NEED you to use a specific weapon or weapon mod, or you’ll get killed. This goes doubly for TAG.
>>743287802In terms of gameplay I think it's what the base game should have been
>>743313093I honestly prefer using the shield.
>>743313202Play moreYou'll see
>>743287802insane how far this IP fell from 2016 which I thought was really good for what it was. idk what happened
Ok I'm playing the base game right now on ultra violence and I'm getting really fucking bored. Is the DLC really any better or should I just drop this shit? I'm so tired of all of these green projectiles and enemies dying in 0.2 seconds and barely shooting my gun. Just be honest with me
>>743313223I beat the game. I’m too used to the shield runes.
>>743313202Meanwhile I always preferred Eternal's playstyle, so once I had the spear I basically only used the shield when I was required to for traversal.
>>743313331Crank all the sliders up to max, but yes the dlc is way better
>>743313235what's wrong?
>>743313331increase projectile speed to maxdecrease damage to demonsset enemy aggression to maxspeed to 125% maybeif you're still bored after that, drop it
>Archvile with the classic Doom 1 wall texture head>Cosmic ArchvileI feel robbed.
>>743313331Zoom zoom!
>>743287802>https://streamable.com/5s6kgwJust bought TDA and that looks way better than what I'm currently playing. TDA feels a bit braindead desu.
Also an armor design for Marok that resembles the Icon of Sin.
>>743314290I prefer base Dark Ages, since I don’t need to bounce and swing around the place just to survive like it’s Ultrakill.
The bone level was really cool. I would have liked to see more maps with that tileset. I definitely like the spear overall. Meathooking with any weapon felt good, it strikes a good balance between bringing you forward and letting you orbit at the right time. I appreciate that you can backtrack in the maps properly unlike the base game too.
>>743311498It has a manjaw. It's a transexual.
>>743294181He's what the Dark Lord in Eternal should have been tbqh. He makes me regret not getting the faster dash cool down upgrade as I hadn't thought I'd need it. Seeing the dogs again made me chuckle.
Is there going to be a DLC 2 like with Eternal? The Betrayer guy still hasn't betrayed anyone yet.
>>743314827it takes a man to know how to please a man, so trannies are a plus in my book.
>>743297070This is what gets me about nu-doom. You'll never have anything as crazy and big as what you can see in Doom wads. TDA's larger collect 3 keys in any order is the closest we've gotten. I'll give the foundry level in 2016 points too.
>>743298578Eviternity 2
>>743315148Nah, this is it.
>>743304202That's how I felt about. I love the acrobatics and movement in Eternal but weapon quick switching to cancel out reload animations and gay and cheesy. The DLC's focus on melee is really fun with the different spear moves, meat hooking with any weapon out, and being able to use your three other melee weapons too.
>>743314332And a Marauder inspired design, since he’s technically the first Marauder in terms of lore. They grappled with a few designs that ranged from False Doomguy, to Icon of Sin Inspired, and eventually settled on the Golden Boy design that made it clear he was just Maykr Puppet like Doomguy was in the beginning.
this pile of dogshit is already out?
>>743315576What bothered me most about the emphasis on quickswap was the weapons with short reload time like micro missiles and the plasma smg being completely sidelined in favor of shoot ballista swap shoot ssg swap and similar. Ammo constraints didn't help but it felt like being a second class citizen the whole game trying to use those instead of the sniper rifle.
>>743287802bumpo
>>743311802>They're still insisting with the onions cosmic realmUgh
so we can all agree doom 3 is the best doom right?
>>743315684>Hes the first marauder>But hes also the icon of sinHuh?
>>743287802Nothing. I don't buy DLC for any game until it's less than $10. Looks like they ruined TDA to pander to retarded trannies who like Eternal though, so it's probably trash.
can we go back to doom being a horror game?
>>743287802DLC was near-perfect and left me wanting more.But then again I am the type of anon who genuinely prefers the combat of Dark Ages over 2016 and Eternal.The only potential downside is that I thought the Praetor suit would manifest in more ways than just the HUD. Maybe a permanent health regen?
>>743322224hes not marauder he barely cover behind a shield like the faggy marauder shield its the only best melee humanoid boss they made
>>743308573nope 2016 hype
>>743313331play dlc its more spiced
>>743294209is the weapon of choice for a dead dumbass when your opposition has guns, retard.
New Doom was goodNew Doom 2 suckedI havent played any of the other New Dooms
>>743293992Can you take anything from the DLC back to the main game? After the NG+ style of the prior titles it feels like a huge miss that you can't just clear everything and then go wreck all the content with this stuff, though Eternal also pulled some of this with the Sentinel Hammer being TAG2 only.
>>743324302Nope, they don't even share skins.
>>743290008i went through entire list of fired people since it had positions on itit was every person who made the engine and every propgrammer outside of 1 personno menagers, no finanace, no hr, so its only people leftthe studio got shut down, the managerial level employees left like the 2 studio directors stratton/martin and about 30 menagers will be moved to other studio to oversee outsource work and distribute the 3000 indians on visas xbox is hiring this year
>>743294209more like the weapon of faggotry lololkill yourself
>>743287802Didn't finished Doom 2016Didn't played Eternale DLCDidn't even touched Doom In The Ages This franchise is dead to me because it's boring
>>743322224>>743323590He’s a Proto-Marauder, complete with the ghost dog attack, and he gets resurrected as the new Icon of Sin later on in the timeline, and then brought back in Eternal.
>>743294551>These chonky short feet>These tiny fists
>>743298264You overestimate 14 year olds, and think they’re more self aware than they actually are.
>>743303434All of you complained about the skins Eternal being goofy, so they got rid of them.
>>743287802>https://streamable.com/5s6kgw
>>743308024Because you can already do this with many mods.
>>743287802I hate the gay Marvelslop lore that started in 2016. It was minimal, but it got worse with each new entry.
>>743290280To force you into using the spear.
They ruined the classic designs of barons and cacodemons and pain elementals to turn them into aliens because reddit.
>>743291314Awww look who can't say NORMALFAG
>>743291538They said it's due to raycasting, which is bullshit since the original Doom used raycasting.
>>743292832The "you control the buttons you press" tweet is retarded. You're doing a great disservice to yourself if you don't use the ice bomb.
>>743294815Thank Hugo Martin.
the hypervibrant colors are gay as fuck and the game doesnt have any real genuine "horrifying hell filled with demons" vibe like doom 3 or 2016, it's just redditized Toys R Us funko pop slop for nu god of war playing soifacing manchildren
The more I play the more it kinda feels like people are either Eternal fans that don't like the gameplay shift, folks that watch webms that don't actually know how the game plays, or just people mad at nuDoom in general.
>>743298636Doom 2016 had none of this btw
>>743327328>2016>real genuine "horrifying hell filled with demons" vibewhy do people spout this meme? there is no horror element to doom 2016. there is no horror atmosphere or scary moments
>>743327453Yeah it did. Literally every new weapon, major item, etc stops you in place or has a big [E] TO DISMISS tutorial at the bottom of your screen. The game outright paused everything to make sure you do the first Glory Kill.
>>743327512compare the monster designs like cacodemons in 2016 to eternal. theres a picture that's sometimes posted and you can see they completely redditized the design in eternal.
>>743327328Eternal set out to have the most accurately translated sprites from the original dooms to 3D, which they succeeded at. Original dooms are very colourful gamesBut even without any of that, why wouldn't you want a colourful game and instead want yet another washed out brown shit? This post shows you're not only a tourist but also a zoomer who grew up with late 2000s brown
>>743327743because the aesthetic clearly does not translate to 3d, at least not the way they've done it in eternal and the dark ages
>>743327574I replayed Doom 2016 recently and there were no tutorial popups for new weapons that pause the game. You get popups for codex entries when picking up a new weapon. The big [E] is just the key you press to pick it up. The only tutorial popup that pauses the game is the glory kill one that you mentioned. Meanwhile Eternal and Dark Ages have tutorial popups that pause the game every few seconds. But at least they can be turned off.
>>743304249It's a trooner shooter so it automatically sucks.
>>743291538Raytracing isn't really a consumer-oriented feature, it's a developer oriented feature. It's what allowed id software to make the total map size in Dark Ages roughly 10x of the total map size of Eternal, and at a much faster timescale than if they didn't use raytracing.But when it comes to consumer-oriented benefits, that is mostly in the physics and illumination system. The game's light and destructible environments are a massive step-up from the previous two games, which had mediocre illumination and next to no physics or interactible environments.
>>743325143I'm not gonna gloss over the fact that the devs aren't at fault for the way TDA turned out but holy shit, Id is actually fucking dead.
>>743323076Based and same. Did you actually beat everything in the dlc? I haven't unlocked the mega boss yet and the challenges after. I hear they're fucked with how hard they are.
>>743327819Of course you aren't going to care that the game has the most "definitive" 3D renders of the original sprites because you aren't a fan of the series who has stared at the sprites for decades, but again even outside of that why wouldn't you want to have colourful games instead of washed out brown shit?
>>743325143Wow, I was hoping that at least id didn't get shut down outright just for the history but it's seriously just one degree less severe.Makes sense that Halo Studios was untouched because the Halo brand has only increased in popularity since 2011.
Would've made sense if they brought glory kills back with the praetor suit.
>>743328154you dont want ridiculously vibrant and oversaturated color puke in your game about demons in hell because it looks fucking retarded.
>>743328154i think some people are super nostalgia poisoned for colors in a weird way. like, "yeah of course classic doom had no color, all browns and grays, god the new games are so gay with all these extra colors" and then i want to put them against the fireblu wall.
>>743328154I guarantee you most nuDoom fans have never touched the classics, including the very vocal Eternal fanbase.
How’s the enemy variety compared to eternal? Better or worse?
I'm only four levels in right before the dragon shit, how the fuck do the numbers drop off this sharply
>>743328145Haven't done the hidden boss either, still need to collect key pieces. Got the '93 shotgun though.
>>743328463Only 39% of players beat the game.
>>743328449Slightly worse. There’s no prowlers, dread knights, gargoyles, carcasses, marauders or doom hunters in dark ages. Maykr drones barely appear and they die in one hit.
>>743328239notice how old doom looks good and eternal onwards looks like color puke
>>743328745Every region in Eternal has basically one major palette it sticks to. The "color vomit" is at best you bitching and moaning about loot drops.
>>743328449Worse easily. I already thought Eternal's roster blended together when the Marauder and Spirit weren't around and the Arch-Vile or Pain Elemental just simply don't have the bite they should because ammo is infinite in Eternal and Dark Ages. And all that is still true with Dark Ages except it has no Marauder equivalent and the Spirit equivalent is like half as buffed as it needs to be to kick the gameplay into high gear like in TAG.
>>743328654Prowlers were replaced with imp stalkers.Carcasses were replaced with buzzsaws.Marauders were replaced with aggadon hunters.Doom hunters were replaced with vagaries.
>>743328837Real "color puke" as it were. Goddamn charlatan.
>>743328217Correction tourist-kun, it's not what *you* want because you have a fundamentally wrong idea of what a Doom game should look like. You just see hell and demons and come to the most generic conclusion because you are a tourist and that's what tourists doAs a side-note I do find it funny that zoomers who grew up with late 00s brown freak the fuck out when they see some colour, lmao
>>743328837>>743328901>i-it's j-just the loot dropsevery time you kill an enemy a big explosion of ultra vibrant LGBT ammo drops hit you square in the eye lolglad i never played this cringe shit>>743328927glad the series is dead, it deserved it with its retarded, off-putting choices misusing color. might go and play some based brutal doom later on though.
>>743328901I wish I could hide the throw shield icon.
>>743328901yeah look at the hud lmfao. it's staring you right in the face. how humiliating to be humbled by your own image you're posting in an attempt to sneer and gloat.
>>743328558That was the last thing I did also. Those classic levels rule.
>>743328862With the revelations dlc the enemy variety is a lot better than eternals.
>>743287802Where's Doomguy at?
>>743329021>glad the series is deadAgain as a tourist you should know it really doesn't matter to Doom fans whether these new games continue on or die out, we got at least one great game out of it but more importantly the soul of the series lies within the original games and their modding scene, which delivers more quality content than ever
>>743329324I left off on the Uprising level but I'm really not feeling that so far. The one time I've been forced off the SSG/Shield was the lone boss level Vagary in the Uprising level and he got melted with Cycler/Skull gun with moderate distance anyway.
>>743329385glad you speak for all doom fans. i just see the color vomit and know the game is bad, simple as.
Watch out boys, the color's coming to get you
>>743328205the pr demage control from xbox is probably only for the upcoming quakecon and keep brand ip value higherbut its pure cope to not say the studio got closed down, there is 0 way they can make another game with secretaries, hr chicks and a single art guy, hugo martin who hasent dont anything art related in 15 yearsthey still hope halo makes a huge comeback, but with 0 accountability in halo studios while nuking everybody else there is no chance of that
>So retarded he can't understand that certain artstyles have certain colours that are congruent with them.Basically any colour works with retro doom, whereas it's obvious to anyone with eyes that there are colours that do not fit in the latest entries. Why the pushback? Shills?
>>7432900082016 is good but it's kinda buggy as shit. Half the time I fall into lava it shows a multiplayer skin standing upright for some reason, certain ledges send me flying, and most critically, sometimes glory kills don't happen when I punch a stunned enemy, and that code I think persisted into Eternal and became a bigger issue where it would waste the Blood Punch. Dark Ages I haven't had a single bug even under minimum specs. Even if you don't agree with Dark Ages on a creative level, firing half the tech people was insane, that team was right where it needed to be.
>Dark Ages is the first TECHNOLOGY game since muh megatextures>it flops like said megatextures>also Doom 3 lolMaybe id should just focus on making games instead of the tech behind it
>>743329647What color is out of place in >>743328837?
>>743291890game was so much better when it was "show not tell"
>>743329859The HUD. It's too vibrant and looks cheaply designed. Now let's look at some gameplay of the overly vibrant multi-coloured energy waves and balls flying everywhere.
>>743293098Having to fine tune a game yourself so it feels right is a negative for me, specially when there are so many % based timing settings. I would rather have a single difficulty in every game that is polished, and then once mastered you can start doing some handicaps like not using certain weapons, mods or whatever.
>>743329978What self-imposed challenge would you do to make 2016 harder just out of interest? Because that game is piss easy and would hugely benefit from more difficulty options
>>743329974You mean the colored-coded pickups?
>>743294870I loved how they did it in 2016. Decently vague, not forced down your throat. In Eternal they got too carried away sniffing their own farts after people liked 2016 and overdid it a lot. Then DA they quadrupled down and the lore took over everything.
>>743329647That's absolute hypocrisy and double standard bullshit. Your armor pickups in Classic Doom were bright green and blue, and there were bright blue health vials everywhere. I don't agree with Eternal's arcadey bullshit, but suddenly everything is a bright glow and OH NO IT'S ALL UGLY. It's not even pointing towards the green parryable projectiles in TDA (which you can change the color of) or specifically at the various colors of lootdrops in Eternal, it's just "these colors do not fit".
I hope that fatass spic Hugo kills himself after ruining the doom series with his Reddit bullshit.
>>743330095No upgrades
>>743330180>not forced down your throatexcept for when it does and you're stuck in room with hayden while he monologues and you're taking a shit because people still thought hl2-like unskippable cutscenes were a good idea for some fucking reason
>>743330229>it's just "these colors do not fit".Yes because the colours do not fit. Why is this so hard for you to accept?
of course it's a vagueposter angry about niggas
>>743330317It's there to make the pickups recognizable at a glance.
>>743330095Depends on what you find fun. No Runes/Upgrades, avoiding power ups, only X weapon type, Ultra-Nightmare alongside these. Ideally the game would just be harder on a base level.>>743330289Yes, but the Hayden office segment is short, or at least not as intrusive as what they did in Eternal and DA with their >cinematic cutscenes. I didn't say that 2016 never has plot/lore segments, but it's a minuscule part of the game. Lore is more contained into the Codex and Plot in voice comms.
>>743330685>not as intrusive as what they did in Eternal and DA with their >cinematic cutscenesPress space to skip
>>743330685>the Hayden office segment is short, or at least not as intrusive as what they did in Eternal and DA with their >cinematic cutscenesWrong. I can skip the cutscenes in Eternal.
>>743329524>game is faithful Bad>game is not faithful Bad>game is kinda faithful Bad
>>743289762>walk over to flashing demon for a ""badass"" QTEthat mechanic was gay as fuck
>>743330487Look at the oversaturated colours on display in my picture. If you can't understand that this is detrimental to the aesthetic and therefore overall experience of the game, you're not a very capable artist.It's just not "DOOM" anymore, it's "wow look at these overly telegraphed hypervibrant projectiles and pickups while you ADHD spam abilities like MOBAslop"
>>743330763>>743330774Eh, you guys are right. I was thinking from the perspective of a first play through where you try to experience everything.
>>743289871idk I didn't feel like TDA was "stand and fight" at all.I turned on auto sprint (as you naturally would if you played the OG doom), and the game become sprint and fight.
>>743331003I still find it less insulting in Eternal because that game doesn't start off pretending to not give a shit about story.
>>743331082Kill yourself.
>>743330992You can argue it's not Doom, but the devs don't just make all this shit in a vacuum as if it isn't intended to work together. You're just angry about bright colors.
>>743287802I need to apologise /v/, before TDA's release I thought for certain the schizos would move on from hating Eternal to hating the newest game like what happened when Eternal was released, I just couldn't imagine TDA would be, well, kinda bad. And since it's nowhere near as popular the meltdown over Eternal continues eternal.
>>743330992Those aspects are literally not meant to blend into the environment, because the player needs to know what and where something is in the middle of a fight. It's literally good design to make pickups and projectiles stand out from everything else.
>>743331003i started skipping cutscenes on my first playthrough in eternal on the second forest map where you met like a guy or something, fucking whatever dude i'm just here to shoot demons
>>743331246What forest map?
>>743331109>the devsNot devs anymore! LOL!>>743331238The real art is when you make it look good instead of an incongruent eyesore. Guess the former devs didn't have that talent.
>>743331378It's a video game, not a painting. For a fast-paced game, readability is important.Even 2016 had glowing pickups.>these don't count because... THEY JUST DON'T, OKAY?
>>743331534>It's a video game, not a painting. LOL westsloppers mogged so hard it's not even funny
>>743287802It was legitimately great. I wish they'd found a way to improve on TDA without just making it more like Eternal though.
>>743332154eternal is basically the peak what you can do with the arenashit formula, the only way forward from here is to drop it entirely and actually make a retro shooter that focuses on non-linear level design with cleverly placed monsters, and resource management through finding secrets. but that's never gonna happen, AAA games are allergic to good level design and apparently just non-arenashit in general
>>743332337They could have made the game more like Serious Sam.
>>743332394oh god no
>>743331617 >posts a game with no pickups at all
>>743332478There are pickups in ER, I'm just showing you what a game made by a team that includes competent visual artists looks like. Almost painting-like.
>>743332615In a scene with literally nothing going on?
>>743287802it's neat how they fixed the teleport by making a more nuanced version of it where you still have to maintain awareness of the field, and i think the dash is a good addition, and making it a counter to rapid-fire projectiles as a replacement to teleport being the answer to everything... they made really smart decisions about fixing the Dark Ages moveset and making the level design more constrained. the biggest remaining problem is that the weapons are poorly defined, which wasn't really an issue with the previous games. overall i think it's maybe the highest point of nudoomthe story is gay though and i laughed out loud at that late game scene where the generic female create-a-character sheds a tear in a completely failed emotional moment
>>743332793When I think of ER I was overjoyed with not having to witness ugly, incongruent colour vomit like in OP's video. Stop arguing, you have no way to win.
>>743332394Serious Sam can't even be a good series anymore without fans literally taking the reins.
>>743332885You're right, there is no winning when you argue with retards.
>>743290280BFC being locked behind endgame is a little odd but the shield being nerfed until then makes sense. Players probably aren’t going to be used to the spear yet and many wouldn’t bother to learn it if they’re offered a maxed out shield at the same time
>>743332951Keep playing with your colour vomit reddit toys made by talentless woke cultist hacks. I'll stick to the classics and jp titles like ER, thanks. You do you babe.
>>743287802i aint paying 100$ to play a shittier doom eternal
>>743333038i paid like $40 on summer sales and frankly it's trying to be such a different game from eternal that i can't really compare them beyond being doom
>>743333038Eternal is fucking slop where they order you like a cuck slave bitch to use x weapon on x monster, and use the meter abilities not because they have utility but because they make you get more resources. It is a game made without any sense of real game design and Dark Ages felt like an apology for it. Revelations then feels like an apology for Dark Ages. iD is the only western game studio that actually has a seriously critical culture - a worse studio would have just regurgitated Eternal over and over until noone cared any more. Instead they tried to make better games and they succeeded - Revelations is the best nu-Doom game
>>743333891if they had a critical culture they would not have made the color vomit worse with every entry until the studio was shuttered
>>743305176>playing in easy mode to show that the AI suckslmao
>>743333978what colour vomit are you even talking about? the game almost entirely takes place in bland hell environments. i could see that argument for Eternal which has a ridiculous cartoon aesthetic that i really hate but Dark Ages doesn't have that
>>743334079lil bro OP's video is right there
>>743306183Better than Eternal and TDA with their cinematic 3rd person cutscenes.
>>743334136>unskippable>better
>>743334123OP is an image you fucking retard
>>743334465oh no no... color vomit defender squadron... it's not looking good for us......
>>743334123>>743334465you know what, in all good faith, i did look at the OP's video link and it looked like fast-forwarded footage of a high-skill player. i still don't get the colours criticism
>>743334631>i still don't get the colours criticismhave you ever purchased a funko pop, anon
Eh, it's been over a year since I beat Dark Ages, I don't really want to learn the whole game again.
>>743289762>Doesn't fix the major problem of no glory killsfuck youglory kills WERE the problembase dark ages > SHITernal
>>743311658>break up the pace of the gamyou don't know what the FUCK you're sayingan OPTIONAL melee disrupts the pace compared to MANDATORY ones in shitternal now, jesus christ kill yourself twice
The arms are pretty gnarly.
Doomguy if he Fulgrim
The Dark Ages is the Ninja Gaiden 3 of NuDoom. People hate it because they are told to do so but in reality it's the most mechanically indepth and fun version of NuDoom.
The Dark Ages fixed a lot of the problems people had with Eternal>no more autistic nonstop weapon swapping>glory kills are not shoved in your face nonstop>more grounded fights with way more enemies on screen inducing moments of classic doom bullet hell moments of weaving through projectiles>best music in nudoomBut people hate it because of muh story bullshit which is entirely skippable. The only faults I have with The Dark Ages is that it puts too much reliance on the parry mechanic which is actually fixed in the DLC. My other issue are the level designs where the game juggled between poorly paced "open world" areas to dumb scripted dragon or mech stages that offer nothing of value. Either way the dark ages DLC is the best nudoom has to offer
>>743338115I want id to make a Quake game already. It clear they want to really badly.
>>743313331Then turn the difficulty up. Anon are you retarded?
>>743339665I dislike it because they overcorrected on the weapon switching. Instead of combos, now you can genuinely use a single gun to complete the entire game. There's basically no reason to ever use anything but your favorite.The number of enemies is a moot point, because most of them are just random groups of zombiemen that one shield throw deletes.
>>743289543it IS called dark ages. it's fine tot change his loadout. The problem is the gameplay.
>>743294209BFG9000 is chad weapon
>>743309330This has always been the most obvious tell lol. They saw high level gameplay and 30+ year old retards got filtered the moment they laid eyes on it and said it was "too fast." It's fucking insane that we tolerate these shitters literally whining that it's too hard but I guess that's par for the course when it comes to /v/.Reminder that they only hate nu-Doom because it's too difficult.
>>743341016Nah, it's 2016fags that hate it, despite using similar clips to shill their game just a few years prior.
>>743339665I think they went too far in the weapon swapping correction. They didn't have to actively work against it. Nobody complained about weapon switching in 2016 but if you play it like it's Eternal you'll succeed and likely do better than if you don't. The game already comported and rewarded that play, just didn't demand it. They could have done the same here instead of making it so slow and boring to weapon switch.
>>743297136>didn’t play the game award
>>743340935There’s no problem with the gameplay.
>>743287802I want to have sex with Iskathra
>>743341769Christ his back is ripped
