>>743290132there are no elves in warhammer 40k though
>>743290180Stop being a disingenuous retard. You know what OP means
>>743290132Because these are dark elves.In other setting dark elves are full of bullshit too and this is not unique to warhammerCraftworld cucks are your typical elves
>>743290301NTA but there are no elves in 40K so I don't know what that pictue is trying to convey.
>>743290132Unrelated, but I found rayla's accent hot
>>743290418Would.
>>743290553Eldar are space elves whether you like it or notbeing obtuse on purpose is not a personality traitwarhammer fantasy came before 40k and a lot of fantasy factions got directly turned into 40k versionshigh elves -> eldardark elvas -> drukhari the empire -> the imperiumtomb kings -> necronsetcfaggot
>>743290553Next you'll tell me theres no dwarfs in 40k.
Elves in Japan
>>743291817Necrons being tomb kings came way later, they were originally just "chaos androids" then became their own barebones (heh) faction later with mostly terminator vibes. Not sure when tomb kings became their own faction in fantasy but I'm pretty sure that was after necrons.
>>743290132Jaheira is a half-elf.Funnily enough, in the Forgotten Realms setting half-elves are supposed to be the most beautiful race, not the elves themselves, combining the best traits of both humans and elves.
>>743290418Exodite chads are the real space elves.
>>743290132OP, Jaheira is a half-elf. She's not a full elf. Make your bait lore accurate you dumb fag.
>>743292229Beauty is in the eye of the beholder or have you not visited a waifu thread on /v/?
>>743291817>the empire -> Skavenftfy
>>743292125You really have to be autistic to like anime.>Take a multitude of fantasy races.>Boil down every single one into generic sameface anime girls with some tertiary exotic traits.
>>743292615Anime website.
>>743292684tranny website
Dark Elves in Japan > Misunderstood brown chicks for your harem
>>743290132>civilization exists for 60 MILLION years uncontested >only real competition are some greenskins that you occasionally cull because they're basically stone-age compared to you>webway makes using the warp for FTL sound like a bad joke>warp is calm compared to M40 and your race is psychically powerful>everyone lives for thousands of years>despite a long lifespan, eldar emotions are not dull, they are even stronger than humans'>slowly but surely get into weirder and weirder shit as the eons pass>at some point the majority of your people are excessively hedonistic and there's no consequences because your technology is perfect, you have no enemies, scarcity, poverty or existential threats>become so debauched that eventually your spilling of emotions creates a new god in the warp>it instantly eats 99% of your race and has a psychic lock on every one of your souls so if you die without protection, it drags you straight to hell>the endThe eldar haven't quite figured out that last part. They lost and are all dead. The two sides are staving it off in different ways, but they're all dead men walking. So to answer your question: because they fucked up.
Games workshop is incredibly lazy for bringing the old ones and fantasy races into 40k. They should've created more interesting alien races like squid-like aliens or something.
>>743292846>>everyone lives for thousands of yearsAn average Eldar lives around a 1000 years. Only Farseers live for millenia.
>other elvescan be monsters by their actions alone while still looking like elves through the power of good writing>40kGood writing is entirely absent, the only way to make something monstrous is by sewing extra arms on itthat's the difference OP
>>743293432Yes but Faenor did nothing wrong.
>>743292437nobody thinks that JA3 chick is hot
>>743293194Vect isn't a psyker and he predates the Fall.In fact Farseers have SHORTER lifespans due to them turning into crystals.
>>743293789>In fact Farseers have SHORTER lifespans due to them turning into crystals.Completely wrong. Eldrad is 10,000+ years old.>>743293789>Vect isn't a psyker and he predates the Fall.When we're talking about Dark Eldar we're talking about people who literally clone their bodies and transfer their shriveled souls in-between them.
Are all Eldar psykers? Are dark Eldar just wrote into a corner where they can't be a player character?
>>743291817>the empire -> the imperiumYou wish.
>>743294031>Are all Eldar psykers?Yes, though they have to nurture that ability for it to be of any use.>Are dark Eldar just wrote into a corner where they can't be a player character?Dark Eldar can't be psykers, that ability has atrophied for them over the millenia. In the very rare cases when a Dark Eldar psyker is born, he is killed as soon as found out.
>>743294095OK but are Dark Eldar just stuck as this evil for evil sake writing of 40k where everything is an extreme? I want to play as a Corsair or Dark Eldar but given they're huge assholes I don't think it's happening outside of some strategy game
>>743290132To be fair, Jaheira is a half-elf. D&D elves look like picrel. Not that WotC remembers.
>>743292846>Craftworlds have been working towards ways to survive without the whole Doomsday "everyone dies to stop Chaos" prophecy>Leading way is through Ynnead, who would replace Slaanesh as a Good god of Death for them>GW sets the groundwork years in advance, but when they finally begin it's part of the big setting-wide shake up>Instead of being a Craftworld character, the chosen of Ynnead is a Dark Eldar>Instead of helping the Eldar, said chosen of Ynnead blows up one of the largest Cractworlds>Instead of leading the Eldar properly, she's a colossal cunt who nobody likes even within her subfaction>Instead of finishing the big required ritual for Ynnead, she drops everything she was doing to go help revive Guilliman (which has since then been changed so she actually contibuted nothing other than standing nearby when it happened)>EVERY Eldar plot was shoved into the Ynnari, meaning nothing exists for the Eldar outside them>The Ynnari are a failure in literally every metric and get shitcanned after the management shift at GW>10 years pass>The only thing that happened for the Eldar after all that time is that the Ynnari are now considered colossal failures IN UNIVERSE and everyone abandoned them to go twiddle their thumbs elsewhere, as there are now no plotlines for the Eldar to follow>Every depiction of Eldar now has them as colossal losers who do nothing but act cocky and die to the Imperium, as nobody at GW wants to write for them>Even the Eldar Codex basically just says "Yeah everything's fucked and all hope for even a noble ending is lost"It amazes me how GW cares so little they simply let a faction stagnate and die. Feels like it's becoming more common for xenos to just lose across the board.
>>743292767no wonder you sound like such a faggot then.
>>743294193There will never be a Dark Eldar game, but not because they're too evil. Dark Eldad CAN leave and change, it's just hard for them to.The real issue is that GW doesn't give a fuck about Dark Eldar and have been actively trying to kill the faction off for 10+ years now.
>>743294193>OK but are Dark Eldar just stuck as this evil for evil sake writing of 40k where everything is an extreme?They literally have to feed on the suffering of other souls in order to replenish their own (because Slaanesh is sipping on them from a straw). The ones that joined the Ynnari seemed to be cured of it, but recent lore revealed that they have to be near the leader of their cult for it to stick.Dark Eldar who join the Harlequinn are cured completely due to Cegorach's protection.So you want to play an Eldar Corsair.
>>743292167You had the original goofy skeleton necrons with like 5 models, then the tomb kings and oldcrons happened and then they retconned the oldcrons to newcrons, who are just space kangz.
>>743294242It's for the best they don't remember.
>>743294257>Feels like it's becoming more common for xenos to just lose across the board.Not really. Necron are immensely popular so get a ton of love, including a novel entirely from their POV. It's awesome, read it.
>>743294257They actively sabotaged their own characters too, it's genuinely impressive good thoroughly they fucked up the entire eldars race. I'm convinced that the only reason TTS was shitcanned was because they were exploring eldars lore and actually making it interesting.
>>743294467>NecronsJust lost on their own home turf at the Pariah Nexus>But Infinite and the DivineAlso features the Necrons losing in the long run.>>743294548TTS died because Alfabusa was terrified of what was logically coming next. Gathering Storm, the Fall of Cadia, and what happened right after are STILL divisive even now. The project was becoming too large as well and GW's 'legal talk' gave him a good excuse to close it down, as he wasn't really able to make money off it despute how large the project was getting.It's just really fucking convenient that the series ended right as the Eldar were about to become a major part.
>>743290132>thing>thing but ugly and evil
>>743292125I wish that were women in general in real life.
>>743294685I choose to believe GW aggressively shut it down because they were covering eldar because it reinforces my biased worldview
>>743290132I swear "our elves aren't like other elves, our elves are bloodthirsty cannibal predators because nature is HARDCORE" is more common than snooty magic elves. You aren't subverting anything, you're doing the default.
>>743292846Don't forget that they are also SO immortal they could just revive after dying.So yes you could get eaten by someone else then next week (meaning 100 years later in human time) have a laugh about it in your revive, mature body.True death came only with Slaanesh. Now if they die instead of their soul reviving it goes straight to Slaanesh.
>>743295165That's because many modern writers can't think of how to do Elves properly after Tolkien essentially established the archetype. They want to have the concept of Elves while not seeming to be ripping off Tolkien, so they instead try to make 'their Elves' more unique.There's other factors, like audience stupidity and internalized biases, though that's getting into deeper territory. For examples of THOSE issues you can look at the Elves from Dragon Age and The Witcher.
>>743292615yeah warhammer is totally not an autism magnet though!
>>743293597Clearly someone does or she wouldn't be on a waifu list.
>>743292846were they actually uncontested? humanity was at its technological peak when the eldar empire still existed. the eldar's fall and slaanesh's birth are one of the things that cucked humanity ultra hard
>>743290132Yeah they're fucking cool.
My first campaign for TW40K will deaths be space elves
>>743294308>>743294316I hate Harlequinn on an aesthetic level, atleast Corsair are basically the "adventure" path for Eldar
>>743295489>endless creativity by ripping off every possible IP and mythology in existenceVS.>taking every possible IP and mythology in existence and boiling them down into sameface slop with the same handful of archetypesNo wonder it's a failed civilization.
>>743295931yes, this is plainly stated from meta perspectiveDAoT Mankind at best could dick around with ExoditesOnly other clue is a dialogue where it's mentioned that DAoT still with their Men of Iron at their side tried to attack Eldar Empire but were btfoEldar had Iron Knights who automatically fought and won wars for them if need beMankind was just another among untold amount of other generic Empires which rose in galaxy only to break against the great filter or Eldar, but uniquely enough managed to get back from destruction and try again (Great Crusade and Imperium), but ultimately failed again>>743293115This is not what happened. Rogue Trader was Rick Priestley's game he was working on before he joined GW and he joined under the agreement that his game will be released. Fantasy was made after that and it had scifi influences because Rick liked merge of Fantasy with sci-fiFor their Space game he used his Rogue Trader dream game setting, which is why it had subtitle Rogue Trader.
>>743293432Tolkien was a hack and his work too sanitized to represent Fae properly
>>743295931Yes. If the Eldar wanted to they could have crushed Humanity at any point in history just by thinking about it. Even DAOT Humanity wasn't close to touching the Eldar Empire.
>>743292125Too big, its unrealistic for elves
>>743296804I guess the fucked up power levels of DAOT humanity just mislead me then. The stuff about timewarp missiles, black hole weapons, starship-snakes that can consume whole continents and so on gave me the impression that they should be able to compete with the Eldar
>>743297141well, they could with Exodites
>>743290132elves are for slavery
>>743297141The Eldar Empire was at the 'Terraform planets and blow up suns by thinking about it' tier of power. Every single Eldar was a psyker, the ones who trained were stronger than the Emperor during thw Great Crusade, and their Empire's equivalent of a modern Seer Council could obliterate an entire system in an afternoon just by channeling their minds at it the right way.Every weapon from the Eldar Empire ever mentioned has been something that can casually destroy a planet if turned on for even a short time. They also had the Webway back when it was fully intact, meaning they could get anywhere in the galaxy in a fraction of the time other factions could.And once we get into the meta-psychic nature of them, Eldar could simply choose to not die if they didn't want to. If Humans ever did manage to take down an Eldar ship, then an exact copy of that ship coupd show up the next day with the entire crew on board having been revived.Eldar and Necrons at their individual peaks are far beyond literally every other 40k faction combined and doubled. If either were to suddenly get their full strength back that's an instant game over for everyone else. If BOTH did then there wohld be a war so abhorrently terrible for the galaxy that even Chaos would consider mass suicide over fighting whoever ended up winning.
>>743297479how the fuck did they ever lose to the necron then, kek
>>743297546They didn't. The Necrons blitzed the Old Ones, backstabbed the C'tan, and then turned around and realized the Eldar didn't just suddenly vanish when the Old Ones died. Their options were to either get wiped the fuck out or hide jn bunkers specifically designed to avois detection while hoping the Eldar eventually died out on their own.
>>743297546They didn't. Necrons lost ultimately
>>743290132GW is actually ahead of the curve on this one. Elves are inherently bad for Fantasy settings as they detract from Humans. Humans are meant to be the central group and focus of fantasy in order to contrast the more fantastical elements around them. Elves are too normal, and deviations from the general cliche are inherently not elf-coded.Fantasy settings don't need Elves, and are better off not burderning themselves to shoehorn in the "Humans with pointy ears" race.
>>743297880>>743297897>Necrons lost>t.biased eldar cucksThey didn't. Necrons nuked kroks back to stone age. With the enslaved C'tan, they could have won against the Eldar as well if they wanted to. It's only because fractures started to appear amongst their kingdom's unity after their arch enemies were defeated. Szarekh judged it to be an unnecessary expenditure of effort when they could simply just outlive the eldar anyway.
>>743299439>With the enslaved C'tan, they could have won against the Eldar as well if they wanted toBro Khaine 1v1'd the fucking Nightbringer and kicked his ass, the Eldar Gods did not fuck around and were the top dogs of the galaxy at the time.
>>743299439None of this is true, Necron time has passedThis is an actual, stated openly, from a meta perspective fact. In Necron Codexes at that, so without Eldar bias.Necrons couldn't defeat Eldar and so had to wait for an openingKrorks were a late addition to the war anyway, we only know that Eldar fought them later while they were still Krorks
>>743293194It doesn't really matter how long individual Eldar live because pre-fall they had perfect reincarnation.
>>743299675We don't even know the extent of Blackstone tech Necrons had. The eldar gods are still warp entities whereas the C'tan are gods of real space.
>>743290132>Elves in Warhammer(real)
>>743299909Yes anon but we know that Khaine persoanlly duel the Nightbringer and beat him so hard that the C'tan fucking exploded and had to flee back to a new body in the aftermath.
>>743291817>dark elves in fantasy>huge massive slave empire led by elf darth vader>dark elves in sci fi>space pirates, hiding in space tortugamaking ALL the elves hobos was a mistake they are so boring now.
>>743300151fantasy is a boring, uninspired, generic slop
>>743300151>making ALL the elves hobos was a mistake they are so boring now.There is one exception, an option that GW has been reluctant to utilize for decades out of fear that more people may begin to like Eldar if they returned, but now there's no stopping it.
>>743300536>okay the elves can be settled>IF THEY ARE DINO AMISHi like their units and hate their lore like with all of them. GW just can't make space elves cool (proud conquering military based empires)
>>743300714That's why you make your own Eldar.Or go the modern Biel Tan route of settling on Maiden Worlds and recruiting Exodites with a fuckhueg fleet of warships.
>>743300797I thought if they ever even tried to be proud or do anything related to pride (including conquering) slaanesh would just eat them or something
>>743290553there are tho
>>743292167The first necron models were clearly tomb kings, then they were terminators for one or two editions then they went back to tomb kings and secondaries introduced to Necrons by Dawn of War went crazy.
>>743292125Damn sexy elves...if only they were real
>>743300861Mah Slaanesh only gets to them if they go full Dark Eldar and start killing and torturing others for fun, which Exodites and Craftworlds view as abhorrent and would probably kill somebody for doing.
>>743301052weirdest thing is that Necrons in DoW already act like nuCrons, talk and have their own plans and personalities
>>743299879>>743300087The eldar were ass raped by the enslaver plague. The Necrons had to step in so that they didn't get curb stomped.
>>743299891>because pre-fall they had perfect reincarnationThat's what they claim.
>>743297479>trusting eldar liesLmao
how did lodoss get it so right?
>>743304294
>>743303314Source?
>>743303314sauce?you are at best headcanoning pre5th lore, which is one of the very, very, very few cases of an actual, outright retcon in 40k. Necrons won thanks to Enslavers in 3rd Edition which was changed to a defeat in 5th and so is the case ever sinceAnd in that case Necrons never "stepped in" anyway. They let Enslavers do what they wanted and decided to wait until life in galaxy replenish so they could harvest it again, Mass Effect Reapers style.
Like Eldar and Deldar units, hate their lore
>>743290132because 40k was a meme spinoff they later hacked into a more serious game
>>743304361
>>743292348trvke
>>743290132Damn bottom is based. Top could never.
>>743304703>>743305296From 3rd ed, yes. I assume that the enslaver plague also weakened the C'tan, enabling necrons to shatter them. This is based on the fact that the enslaver plague is still mentioned in the dark heresy creatures book and is not outright retconned.
>>743294242I miss D&D elves being lithe, sharp featured fucks that have weird features like "no body hair at all including beards" and funny sleep and other weird fairy stuff.these days elves are always generic giga chad giga stacy types that you cannot even distinguish between humans if they hide their almost not pointy ears.
>>743290418And every dark elfs are more or less Melniboneans but with gimmick.Ffs GW used to make melnibonean minis before Concidentaly making Dark elf. And they even ripped nof Elric not once but twice (with Malus and Fulgrim). Triceps if you count Sword of Khaine gimmick.
>>743290132I would just like to say Jaheira in BG3 is crazy fucking hot and it intrigues me because I had never found the interest in old people GILF enjoyers had until her.>>743292348>>743306226Can't wait to play my maiden world naturist dino-rider elves IN SPACE.Also I'm still butthurt GW tried to make clown elves in space an actual viable army, then essentially threw them some scraps and canned the whole thing when they didn't miraculously make tons of money off the back of like less than a handful of units.
>>743290132Dark eldar are dark elves retard
>>743294257>Feels like it's becoming more common for xenos to just lose across the boardFeels good to be an Ork chad. Their galactic success has remained the exact same lmao
>>743309757>Lost Octarius off-screen>Now getting their asses kicked at Armageddon
>>743310789Anyone not a Space Marine or Tau are taking L's
>>743292125Those are Eostian elvesThere are no elves in Japan
For me it's mandrakes.
