What's the Poochie of vidya?>creator's introduce new character they think we'll be popular and loved, but gets rejected by the audience for being obnoxious and annoying
>>743294205Its fractal.Luigi on the individual game scaleTameem on the dev scaleMicrosft on the hardware scaleOP on the abstracta scaleMost of these will be different for different people.
>it goes hero, brother, villain, villain's brother>waluigi will be a totally forgettable character with a retarded name
>>743294335>Luigi on the individual game scaleare you dumb, luigi was just a palette swap in mario bros so players could more easily identify and keep track of who they were, he wasn't introduced with the idea of being popular
>our new waifu needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to goddess powers
Lightning
>>743294205Viola in Bayonetta 3. She got wrong everything Nero got right.
>>743294205Aloy
>>743294205Crash Bandishit/thread
MacKenzie from Metroid Prime 4
>>743294726That is literally my wife you are talking about
>>7432947476pbp
>>743294726my favorite part of P4 Golden was ignoring her
>>743294205Raiden in MGS2
>>743294747/thread
>>743294205At the time this episode aired Poochie could have been seen as an Anti-Sonic the Hedgehog but in the big picture historians will look back at Sonic the same way
The biggest Poochie in history
>>743294205lightning from ffxiiialoy was the poochie of sony
>>743295104>The Placeholder
>>743294747/board
>>743294747/website
You now remember Spartan Locke from Halo 5
>>743294747/internet
>>743295098**CUM**
>>743294205Wuk Lamat.
>>743294205You
>>743294205
>>743294205The new protag of Uncharted. Incidentally the franchise is dead now. Does Naughty Dog realize they did the same thing with TLoU2?
Bubsy doesn't quite fit all the criterias, but he is clearly a Poochie anyway
>>743295534This
Axl in Megaman X7.>>743294726Also a good pick.
>>743295012Missed the point award
>>743294205Am I stupid? I thought poochie was well liked at first but they just started shoving him in everything and people got tired of it. It’s been years so I may be misremembering.
>>743294205Raiden from MGS2
I literally cannot think of a bigger poochie.
>>743294205Ninja Theory's tryhard reinvention of Dante into a promiscuous badboy who drinks and smokes and fucks strippers.
He's technically not a separate character, but anything involving anthropomorphic Pac-Man.He just sucks and nobody asked for it. Should have just left him as a disc with a wedge mouth.
BJ Blaskowicz's twin daughters
>>743294205wuk lamatt
>>743295959How did it take so long for someone in the thread to post this.
>>743294205Every playable Smash Bros characterRosalina specifically
>>743296162Read the thread.
>Lightning should be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine>And whenever Lightning's not on screen everyone should be asking "Where's Lightning?"
>>743294205Netricsa from Serious Sam, but only the version from Serious Sam 2.>Serious Sam TFE, TSE, TNE, and every game before 2: doesn't talk, basically just a sentient pause menu to read bios on weapons and enemies.>Serious Sam 2: Now a bootleg Cortana for some reason, talks for almost every action, but doesn't let you read bios anymore.>Serious Sam 3, 4, and probably onward: Back to the version from Serious Sam TFE.
>>743295098>>743296004Miles is not a Poochie. He wasn't made as an attempt from a failing IP to reach a younger audience, he was intended to be a woke approved replacement for the Spiderman from the get go.>>743295959He landed so he's not a Poochie either.
>>743294726Also the bitch from Strange Journey, except that bitch actually does have a time machine
>>743294747>>743294979>>743295042>>743295308>>743295345That doesn't even make sense. You're just a biased FFX nostalgiafag millennial
>>743296265>He wasn't made as an attempt from a failing IP to reach a younger audienceHe was in the sense that Ultimate Spider-Man sales were dipping after Ultimatum flopped and they needed a sales stunt
>>743294747correct
>>743294747>>743295012>>743295959Not these.>>743294787>>743295868These.
>>743295012if you had said mgs4 you'd be correct.
>>743296265Kojima thought everyone would love Raiden because he was so cool pretty boy child soldier but he was widely rejected at launch in the west at least.
>>743296348Media literacy and /v/, name a less iconic duo
>>743296393not a good explanation. Try again.
DonteSylvannis/her boyfriendLars (Tekken)
>>743296348that might be true but what balances raiden is that a character roughly fitting his description was required by the story mgs2 tells. even if you take away the anime gayness of his character people would have hated snake being replaced by some punk vr trained zoomer.
>>743294205Nu-Tawna from Crash 4.
>>743294205the entire cast of nortubel
>>743296475I'm still waiting for Snake to get to the fireworks factory.
>>743295952While the specifics of the term can vary depending on who you are talking to, a Poochie is usually refered to a character that's added just because the creator wanted to cash in on a trend or personal interest that clashes with the already established setting and is unnaturally pushed forward for viewers/players to like them, often causing annoyance against them instead.The episode itself just parodies what was always a common trend at the time, and in it the viewers hates Poochie since his first episode, despite the hype behind his introduction.
>>743294747Lightning isn't technically a Poochie since she's the protagonist of a new setting. She's the developers favorite character which hurts the games as a whole, but it was always her trilogy, she wasn't forced into the FFXIII story out of nowhere.
>>743295935I was expecting him to be much more annoying but the most annoying part about him is that you had to keep going back to him to upgrade your gear without fast travel.
For me, it's Kai Leng.
>>743295868DISNIGGAH
silver the hedgehog
>>743294205How's it poppin?
>>743296267Alex
except he's actually coolJARONA
Nomura tried to make his OC the literal Gary Stu chosen by the goddess of FF7, but the fan community so resoundly rejected him that they cancelled every spinoff for a decade.
Some influences:The Goofy Movie is Poochie.Cool Spot commercials.Marty Mcfly and The Terminator.Bill & Ted. Obviously Scrappy-DoBut I dont think there is any game character that fits perfectly. Sonic was hated by Nintendo fans, and they had to redesign him even more Extreme resulting in Generations. The Sonic american cartoon character is Poochie level garbage.
>>743297993So I think Sonic was actually “poochified” for Americans. Pac-Man was too.
Shadow the Hedgehog is an “evil” form of Poochie. I hated Shadow for sure. Specially made for americans to like to make money. Terrible.
>>743295104Aloy isn’t poochie. The critical aspect of a Poochie is being hated for being annoying and obnoxious. Aloy is barely a character, people don’t hate her “personality” they hate how Sony treats her like their company’s Link or Mario.The greatest vidya Poochies are Wuk Lamat and Lightning.
I am old enough to remember when everyone hated Xion. I still hate Xion. But she was accepted by the KH community because most people ran out of shit to talk about during the dry spell of 2012-2019, so we had to begrudgingly accept her. Yoko Shimomura's music is probably responsible for 80% of people even remembering her. >>743295959Raiden literally trips on pigeon shit in his first stage. He's supposed to be the antithesis of Snake and a humiliation for the player. It's the fucking thematic point of the game. Also I wanna suck his robot dick.
>>743297825Yeah, that's the bitch right there
This guy. I didn't play the new games because of what they did to my broseph. I don't consider them canon.
>>743296691She was forced on how much Toriyama was wanking her and she was not even a top 5 protagonist of the franchise
>>743298614still not bottom 5 either
Everything about her design screams poochie.
>>743298520He's poochie for liberals. If God of War ever wants to be liked by normal people again, they'll have to do some lame timeline or clone thing where true Kratos brutally eviscerates that faggot.
>he's so Funny™, guys!>look at how Expressive™ he is!>isn't he cool? guys?
>>743294205It's still this guy.>Joined and iconic duo when their games were fading >It was made for the cool kids from the get go>Is supposed to have characteristics of both parts of the main duo but no flaws >Rejected and despised by the original fanbase, ridiculed by the people outside the fanbase >He went back to his home planet after two games
tied with >>743299235
>>743296136Pac man 2 is based you FAGGOT
>>743298520He might be a perverse revamp of a pre-existing character, but he also appealed to the exact demographics that he was supposed to.
>>743299050Well, if they ever do that, I hope old kratos takes him out the same way he gutted helios
>>743299913He is the anti-thesis of old kratos. I don't disagree with you, my affiliates irl with the lamest soijakest opinions and ideals love new kratos.
>>743294726how old is she, sir?
>>743296265Marvel wrote a whole event to kill off the ultimate universe just to bring Miles into the main line books. If thats not Poochie. I don't know what is.
>>743299296>doesn't even get mentioned in the later zero games.
>>743294613I don't think waluigi was ever intended to be popular. In fact I think people love him today because of how much everybody hated him when he was new. He's kinda like the reverse poochie.
>>743300696i hate him with all my being and i hope he is promptly deplatformed
>>743294205Easily Lightning
>>743294205Any female vidjea game main character according to 4chans virgins
>>743298385Oh yeah I remember XionOof
Big boss
>>743298280The character is a self-righteous cunt in almost every one of her cut scenes and won't shut the fuck up in the over world talking constantly with useless information and constantly nagging the player to finish a sub-quest, pick up herbs, loot enemies, or "be impressed" at how difficult that piss easy last fight was. She's one of the most obnoxious and annoying characters in all of gaming.
Krystal
>>743298221Shadow was supposed to die in his debut game but was brought back because of popular demand.This is the opposite of Poochie who was a shill character but was killed off after fans hated him.
>>743294205NO ONE'S GONNA TAKE ME ALIVE
>>743298385Xion is also cute and has a vagina.
>>743302050> Organization 13 is called such because it has 13 members> Xion gets to be the special precious 14> Axel and Roxas are beloved characters in the fandom and one of the most popular ships> Xion gets shoved in to hetero everything> Org 13 and Seasalt Boys are given limited time on-screen in KH2, so an entire game is created to explain their actions during KH1, plus Riku> Nope, XION TIME, majority of plot revolves around the Mary Sue> Character exists to be forgotten> Gets brought back in KH3 for no reason, promptly continues her history of doing fucking nothing except sit between the most popular ship and cockblock themA single battle theme and this cutscene are all that she contributes to this series.
>>743302889>> Axel and Roxas are beloved characters in the fandom and one of the most popular ships>> Xion gets shoved in to hetero everythingThis is a good thing
>>743294205Basically every character 343 introduces in halo4/5
>>743302889>>743302050>>743298385What even is her name? Ino?
>>743294205Apollo Justice
>>743302889The real problem is she replaced Namine
>>743303274It's No. I (as in Number 1) I'm pretty sure.
>>743294205in-universe poochies
>>743298385yeah her battle theme from 3 dlc was kino
>>743303460Apollo is actually one of the most popular characters. Athena would be a better example, although I personally found Kay the most annoying.
>>743294205Nero
>>743294205Raiden in MGS2. The arbiter in Halo 2. The spic from Cyberpunk 2077 that you're forced to be friends with.
>>743294205Literally Mavuika in Genshin. Only coomers like her, the rest of players avoid her because she is fucking annoying and feels like she doesn't belong in the game.
Elon Musk
>>743294205Wuk Lamateven going so far as to have everyone asking where she is when shes not around
>>743296239I'll up the ante with almost the entire SS4 cast
Donte/DmC is the best example of this, especially the failure part. How many franchises have released a reboot that was so hated and unsuccessful that the next entry in the series was a sequel to the original iteration?
>>743305371
Everyone Final Fantasy protagonist after Cloud
>>743294205Athena Cykes for non coomersSilver the HedgehogAloy from Horizon, as a whole
>>743300610>source: my ass
>>743305983that makes me wonder, do identical twins have identical dick size?
>>743294205Lightning from Final Fantasy 13.
>>743306521Yes. Because they are identical twins.
>>743306521At birth, maybe. But the one who does the most cock-pushups will have the larger cock, and Donte wasn't motivated enough.
>>743296691She was forced because they made sequels to a dogshit Final Fantasy and shoehorned her into them. Even her sisters game (2) isn't even about her, it's about Lightning BEING A FUCKING GOD.
>>743298221Shadow is nowhere near a Poochie, Gran Autismo-kun.
>>743299296Don't forget the bait and switch with ZXA. You're made to think the Model A was created after Axl, giving the character some recognition. But the twist at the end was it was Model Albert, created by the villain of the same name, and has no canonical connection with Axl.
>>743300610Not what happened, but even then, Miles isn't complained about by actual comic fans anymore since he has gained an identity different than Parker. Shit, Scarlet Spider wasn't so differentiated.
>>743303868>The arbiter in Halo 2The people who do not like the Arbiter are a vocal minority. Elites in general are second in popularity only to the Chief himself.
>>743294205>existing franchise that the company thinks is stagnating>created based on what the execs think is cool in an effort to bring in new fans>massively hated>franchise returns to normalcy to increased popularity after he's removedA lot of characters tick a few boxes on the Poochie checklist, Donte is one of the few who clearly ticks off all of them.
>>743303591Suddenly speading Monokuma's quirk chungus across 5 characters isn't very Poochy
>>743294205>>creator's introduce new character they think we'll be popular and loved, but gets rejected by the audience for being obnoxious and annoyinghttps://youtu.be/Pk8grGedzAwhttps://youtu.be/p78WXtDQsaIKrusty had a good idea with the Gangster Octopus. Though to be honest, Poochie's first episode only gets funnier over time. Especially the Joe Camel bit. https://youtu.be/8tRoIgNZ8Z8
>>743294205you niQQas may be too young to remember but people fucking HATED Raiden. We wanted more Solid Snake and got this faggot instead. People were fucking MAD.
>>743302889>promptly continues her history of doing fucking nothing except sit between the most popular ship and cockblock themIt's funny since this is pretty much all Kairi is kept around for too. Heck you can almost argue that EVERY girl in this series largely exists to sit between any potential yaoi ships.
>>743303521uh wtf
>>743295814Bubsy seems like an obvious answer, but Bubsy 1 was actually a big hit. He wasn't widely rejected as obnoxious and annoying until the sequels.
>>743294205That girl from Borderlands that gets a fan favorite Siren killed.
>>743308941Ah yes, avaNot poochie though since they didn't continue with her after fan backlashI think she was considered to be a VH in BL4 until fans screamed at them for even thinking it
>>743294205>but gets rejected by the audience for being obnoxious and annoyingThe problem is that doesn't happen anymore, there's always a handful of retards that like it and they end up finding each other and expand into a group of retards.
>>743309779Like Egoraptor?
>If Pooche was real he'd have unironic fans who push him as a misunderstood masterpiece>They'd make it political too
>>743307463what the fuck are you on about?
>>743295352I don't because I never played it.
>>743309210Poochies aren't known for longevity. Just that they have a creative on staff that's pushing them. Once that creative leaves the character gets the ax.
>>743294747Yep, came to say this. Every conversation where Lightning wasn't part of it was about Lightning. Horrid game. Also, FFXIII dog.
>>743301969>>743295352All hail the conquering herohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMxTfCTltUchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G2uz26smY0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPVXkRlSOawthey made a fucking tv show just for him him, lmao, not even Master Chief had a tv show back then.>origin story tv show>made by ridley scott's studio and 343>get special unlocks in other halo games if you watch it on the halo waypoint app>was meant to have ties to the halo tv show long before it was made>injects himself into Halo 2 canon with 343's Anniversary remake>entire fake ad campaign to put him on the same level as Master Chief.>MIA and forgotten in halo infinite
Most of the cast from Soul Calibur 5. Between that flopping, 6 having the awful Reversal Edge system, and the one guy who gave a shit about the series leaving Bandi Namco, the franchise got a hit with a three-piece combo and is now likely dead forever.Sad.
>>743300573Rope yourself twittertard. Neither Goku nor Vegeta give a shit about someone perving on young girls.
>he's so crazy xD>he's badass, watch out!>look at how he kills that protagonist from a past game's dlc!There should have been and "Ending C". Spare players of missing out on best ending where everyone survives and let them choose to kill that pretentious faggot Steven Ogg.
>>743309951Based Poochie, exposing slapstick for the lowbrow subhuman """comedy""" that it is. Fuming Itchy and Scratchyfags have never EVER lived it down since.
>>743294205Best example of poochie's are remakes. FE kris avatar
>>743313065>fireworks factory hater tries to have an opinion
>>743313505Never ever
>>743296136He had that look on the original Japanese arcade machines though
>>743294747She isn't even the main character in the first game
>>743294205>What's the Poochie of vidya?Did we even need to have a thread? Webm related, obviously.
>>743313505>still butt blasted over muh fireworks factoryGet filtered, pleb.
>>743294205That episode was the writers making fun of all the suggestions they got sent in about making a new character who should basically just be Scrappy Doo.
>>743294205>Valve put immense effort into crafting her expressive, hand-animated movements and facial expressions. This meticulous approach—often compared to the expressive "Pixar sense of appeal".
>>743313247any create-a-character is a poochie
>>743315708It was also mocking the trend of long running sitcoms adding new characters to spice up the dynamic. The joke is probably going to be lost to time because sitcoms with hundreds of episodes are no longer being made. Young Sheldon was probably the last one.
>>743316252Wasn't it mostly a network mandate thing? Some executive thought the show could be doing better or needed to chase a new audience demographic, so they demand the writers create a new character who doesn't fit with the cast at all to fill that role. With serialized dramas that weren't doing well it would usually be a new antagonist character instead with an overarching narrative. In both cases the new character would usually prove so unpopular they'd vanish quietly by the end of the season.
>>743297825The extra plot was kinda poorly integrated but as a character she was just a walking exposition dump. Didn't feel very poochie.
>>743294205nuKratos
>>743315809>I like it when the Mystery Meat Tomboy flirts with me
test
>>743295613I genuinely don't understand why he isn't loved by reddit.It's the same sort of modern political shit they eat up 99% of the time.Maybe it's because he thinks both sides are shit.
>>743320321wb
he sucks
>>743294205>remember that last series that we killed??>remember it??? she'll keep bringing it up every few seconds!>*everyone hates her immediately from the reveal*>*is killed off for the majority of the second half of the game*
>>743312505I won't repeat it twiceHOW. OLD. IS. HER?
>>743320821>>743295613Ulysses is spiritually jewish. Always whining, always the biggest victim, uses Samson option to kill everyone else because of his hurt ego
>>743316059>If we had maybe portrayed her as more of a confident character, maybe we would not have encountered that kind of situation. -Yoshi P>WUK LAMAT SHOULD BE LOUDER AND ANGRIER...
>>743321271Maybe so, but he's no Lars.
>>743319268I'd agree with you if not the fact that Lilith exists.
>>743296265>He landed so he's not a Poochie either.He was absolutely a Poochie. He didnt stop being a Poochie until kojima gave him his own game.So he was a poochie for only about 12 years or so.
>>743307974I was an adult by the time I played mgs2 but honestly I preferred him. Snake is kind of flat personality wise in mgs1. Imo he works better as the Jotaro to Raiden's Josuke.
>>743294747Remember when Lightning Returns ruined Final Fantasy? I 'member.
>>743294747Wouldn't say Lightning is a Poochie. Poochie is a desperate attempt to recapture the old popularity an IP used to have by shoving a new character into the dynamic. Lightning on the other hand was Toriyama making a whole series dedicated to his OC waifu.
>>743313326>PMD had Lucario Rank in the first game
>>743298789This. Retards will call you "chud" or whatever for not liking the design, but it's everything else on top of it. "Tragic" backstory, super strong and cool and makes everyone look like shit, etc.
Loreley from Girls Frontline 2
>>743294747kek
>>743298280You don’t know what a poochie is
>>743321482His entire legacy is fucking Danganronpa and he's never gonna make anything that isn't aping it or constantly reminding you about it, because it's all he has. Nobody would've given a fuck about that game if it didn't have the same art style.
>>743297852>WHAT A PREDICTABLE CREATURE!
>>743294205Lightning
>>743295352I honestly didn’t even mind him. In fact I kinda liked him. But then on top of Locke, you have six other fucking Marvel superheroes to keep track of as they constantly quip throughout every single level. The game would’ve been so much better if it was just Master Chief and Locke>inb4 Linda and Buck aren’t new characters Doesn’t matter, they add nothing to the story
>>743294923Nah, Crash had had some genuine love for the first few games.
>>743296691lightning is a stupid fucking name
>>743296265>what is 2 + 2? and no don’t say 4, give me a real answer retard
>>743320821He worked for the Legion. Thats the actual answer.
>>743294205Concord.
>>743295613>Obsidian really wanted a character that "hunt" the player and be a constant presence in the background>except he doesn't do anything through the entire vanilla game and doesn't even exist>the DLC where he actually appears is literally just a long corridor where he does absolutely nothing until the very end
>>743296228fucking lmao
Woods from Call of Duty. He served his purpose in Black Ops. I forgave them bringing him back for Black Ops 2. But then they bring him back as some sort of weird narrator for Black Ops 3 and once again for that dogshit game Cold War. And he gets cringier and cringier each time, like holy shit just let him die already instead of dragging him through the mud like that.
Lucario AND zoroark
>>743319268This whole fucking series is a revolving door of poochies holy shit
>>743294205Kinzie from Saints Row 3 and onward.The only reason some people like her is because she have a vagina.
>>743294205Azucena in T8They thought it would be the most popular character of the gameSomehowNo one knows why, it is literally a brown, ugly, annoying, retarded peruvian
>>743294205You know it's him.>People like Trunks? Let's make a hedgehog version of him with OP abilities.>Let's also make his voice ear grating, his character gullible and annoying, and debut him in a broken game.It took years for fans to warm up to him but only because he has the "potential" to be a cool character, something he has yet to live up to.
Does Kai Leng from ME3 count given that they kill him off in the same game? I feel like he has to be an exception even if so because holy shit he's one of the worst characters in any videogame I can recall
>>743323446>>743313326Lucario worked though.Zoroark didn't.
>>743307030fuck you
>>743323783He might.
>>743296348>>743296393It's not that he thought everyone would love him. He did focus testing and found that Japanese girls don't like gruff old men characters like Snake, and they wanted a broader outreach so they tried to appeal to japanese girls with Raiden's design. Which yes if you been online and seen what fujoshi like, it's pretty twink pretty boys.
>>743323749Dude showed up 20 fuckin years ago and is only really important in the story of his original debut game and the rivals games which didn't come out in Japan.And in Forces he's just kind of there, doing nothing, so you can't use the excuse that he's busy on his own adventures.
>>743294205The way Poochie (and Roy) were used in the Simpsons isn't really applicable to video games. Poochie encapsulates a very specific trend in an endless sitcom's format and production that just isn't present in video games. Even characters like Shadow, Raiden, Marie, or Nero who were explicitly designed to appeal to and onboard new players don't really share much in common with the why or how of Poochie's creation. Honestly, the fact that Lightning, the protagonist of her own game in a series that has a new cast in every new cast every game, is used as a prime example of a Poochie should have made it clear there isn't actually one and people are using it to mean "character I don't like".
>>743323804It's important to note that Zoroark didn't achieve the same status as Lucario, not because people hated it, but because Gamefreak thought it was a good idea to make it the hardest thing to obtain in it's own game for no good reason. Lucario was at least obtainable in a normal playthrough through a free egg gift. The gap between them only widening when they skipped out on making Zoroark a playable smash character AND made Lucario a free gift in XY with a new mega.
>>743324063>And in Forces he's just kind of there, doing nothing,Even worse than that, jobbing to the main villain while Sonic takes over and does a better job. He's also just there in Gens while Sonic takes on Eggman/Time Eater and Shadow takes on Black Doom. Shadow even defeats one of his own villains(Mephiles).
>>743294747Thread ended here
>>743325039The face of a man who deserves to be poked with sticks in a bamboo cage.
>>743306873>Miles isn't complained about by actual comic fans anymoreYou haven't been on /co/ lately, have you
What is The Room of vidya?
>>743325085SE has a has huge seniority problem. Look into the issues they have and it almost always has to do with them putting a long time employee in a position of power all because he was with the company for years.
The Poochie of Star Wars.
>>743324163How the fuck does that retarded annoying bitch Marie appeal to anyone?
>>743294205Bass and Axl
>>743325203Ride to Hell: Retribution
>>743325210>"Uh, hi, Mr. Mouse. I've been doing some thinking and I have some ideas to improve Star Wars. I got it right here.">*pulls out wolf-themed notebook*>"Uh, one, Ahsoka needs to be older, angrier and have access to a time travel dimension.">"Two, whenever Ahsoka's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking 'Where's Ahsoka?' ">"Three-">"Great, great. Just leave them right there on the floor on your way out, Filoni."
>>743306873hardly, miles keeps getting peter's sloppy seconds on top of new superpowers peter doesn't have to prop him up. he's arguably defined by his failure to break off from the identity of spider-man and his failure to even be a good one
>>743324163I think that is why Raiden does kind of fit. Poochie is the meddling of creators, and is the result of marketing focus testing just like how the Simpson's mock.The thing is, a bunch of pseuds have taken defending Raiden without realizing he is the result of focus testing, and so they often times like to pretend its the fault of the fans for not liking him due to media literacy of the story, as if he wasn't the result of a specific design meant to appeal to fujo and it's no wonder western men didn't like Raiden. Snake on the other hand is based of western action movie heroes that Kojima loved, so of course Snake resonated more with western men. It's not rocket science here.
>>743297972i thought the whole point of angeal was he was a delusional theater kid like sephiroth
>>743325203Metal Wolf Chaos
>>743325203Ambition by Zapdramatic.
>>743321581Her game was released originally in 2012
>>743294747Came here to post this.
Apollo
>>743325210I wish more people would just admit they wanna fuck her instead of pretending for even a minute shes an interesting, entertaining or compelling character.
>>743300686in fairness to axl on that MMZ still pretends the sigma virus wasn't solved in X3
>>743325592The reason why people defend Raiden is twofold. First, he's treated like shit in his own debut game. He's the butt of tons of jokes, and he is the last to know every important piece of information. He's been jerked around by every side like a pawn without having any real agency of his own. Even Snake treats him like a toy until the very end. The point of a Poochie isn't just the meddling of executives and marketing focus testers, it's that meddling overshadowing the pre-existing characters of the work that the audiences already liked. Raiden obviously doesn't count because the creator still had full creative control on how to implement the character, and intentionally did so in a way that still made Snake the coolest guy in the game. Like you look at any scene with Snake and Otacon in MGS2 and it's still obvious that it's still their story, Raiden is just a plot device for them to use to achieve their goals.Second, MGR was cool as fuck.
>>743325940It brings me great satisfaction knowing she will end up being known for nothing else but the orange buttcheeks greentext.
>>743300573>>743321581While her exact age isn't known, her husband's great-great-great-great-grandson was born 2747 years ago so take on a few thousand years on top of that to account for divine longevity.
>>743294205I can't imagine why the street fighter 6 amiibos flopped the way they did.
Sylvanas and to some extent Kerrigan. It's impressive how they made the exact same mistake twice and tried really hard to drive it home the second time.
>>743295098Antiwhiteslop.Vile
>>743295534this post took way to fucking long LITERALLY poochie >wheres wuk lamat
>>743326175Hate Nero. The games were always about Dante and Vergil (from 3 on). Nobody wanted that OC the Hedgehog that makes no sense existing. His origin even has Vergil act out of character, since he'd never score a woman. The very scene on how he encounters Nero's mother is ridiculous, with him sulking in public, even holding an autism blanket, when some random woman looks at the retard and wants to spread her legs to him.
I've not played the expansion, Dawntrail, that Wul Lamat is featured in, but whenever I hear about her I think of Poochie, especially>whenever Poochie isn't on screen, everyone else should ask, "Where's Poochie?"
>>743295534lol wuk lamat's as much of a poochie as lyse or aymeric
>>743326320Street Fighter 6 didn't flop (sadly) but yeah Luke failed to land as protagonist
>>743326680>as much of a poochie as lyse or aymericFactually incorrect.
>>743307030>created based on what the execs think is cool in an effort to bring in new fans>massively hated>franchise returns to normalcy to increased popularity after he's removedI think that's pretty much how Jack's game was conceived. Only difference is that people warmed up to it (much too late for it to have a substantial impact on sales) as Jack is just too funny and the game is actually pretty good. Also Jack is pretty much a Poochie in how the rest of the cast can't stop sucking his dick ON THE OTHER HAND he wasn't forcefully inserted into a franchise, as he's just the protagonist of a spin-off.
>>743322051Can confirm nobody like him in MGS4. MGR is the only reason people like him. It also helps that MGR did his whole story again in like 10 hours of cool fights rather than two 50 hour games
>>743294205wuk lamat and it's honestly not even close. people are saying Lightning from FF13, but she isn't a new character intruding into an existing setting, she is the protag of her own series. wuk lamat busts down the door of FF14, forces the universe to revolve around her for an entire expansion, and causes half the playerbase to outright quit the game because she was so gross and annoying. she is THE definitive poochie
>>743326853saw this chart on the subreddit it came from already. was a mediocre argument two years ago
>>743326853>That huge Wuk Lamat barAnd that's the character that made American Squeenix say>Let's bring in a tranny that does not pass in any way to voice her!
>>743325203Oblivion
>>743303591I didn't think I would like them but they really stole the show to the point I enjoyed seeing them way more than seeing Monokuma.OHAKUMA
>>743326948Sylvanas is a way bigger poochieWuk Lamat has a definite lifespan of her own expansion (even Lightning gets crossover games) while Sylvanas keeps scuttling out from under each boot that crushes her in WoW like a roach
>>743325203Facade.
>>743326982If it was such a mediocre argument then you should be able to easily argue against it then.
>>743295868Truth nuke, this along with Corvo's daughter. Who in the actual fuck chose to play as Corvo's kid in Dishonored 2, and I skipped the DLC because literally"Who the fuck is this random ass black bitch." I later found out she somehow wrapped up the fucking outsider's storyline which is ????? incredibly weird to do in a DLC where you play as a literal who that's never been seen before in both games and if she has she's possibly one of the most generic background characters ever made.
>>743325203
>>743294205Wuk Lamat. You even have the whole “Poochie returns to their home planet” thing. Extremely fitting.
>>743327148it's a bar graph two years out of date. everybody dragging it out as fresh info eats lead paint chips
>>743298385Only thing I really hate about Xion is that they brought her back and didn't even bother trying to explain it.
>>743327079Sylvanas is not a new character introduced to the warcraft series, she existed since warcraft 3. She might be a shit character, but that just isn't what a poochie is
>>743294205bazz from concord and that tranny from veilguard
>>743325207Japanese companies are very big on loyalty and tenure.In Japan, your boss who makes half a million yen a year, gets to drag you out to drink and you, the guy getting paid peanuts, are obligated to pay for his drinks and meal. Anywhere else in the world that'd be unthinkable.
>>743325203It's 100% Ride to Hell.
>Susie should be louder, angrier and have access to healing magic>Whenever Susie's not on screen everyone should be closing their eyes and thinking "Where's Susie?"
>>743327450The real Poochie of Deltarune is Noelle. She was just a side character until yuritards forced her into the spotlight.
>>743294205Not out right rejected, but Zoroark>Lucario gets shown off prior to Gen 4>gets a statue in the first Mystery Dungeon games>shows up in the Advance Battle Intro>first non-Legendary to headline a movie>can't be found in the wild and is on the Champion's team of that Gen>pretty much one of the top Pokemon of all time>GF "Huh, that worked? Let's do it again">despite pretty much doing what they did with Lucario, and even giving it a signature ability, Zoroark didn't reach those highs again, and in some people opinions is mogged by its Hisuian variant
>>743327301Sylvanas gets rewritten every time she appears
>>743327246There have been only four story patches since the chart's inception and the writing in them was in clear response to how poorly Wuk Lamat was received with how quickly they wrote her off, and it is going to take a lot more dialogue until Wuk Lamat drops down even to fourth in terms of lines. Until that happens, the chart holds up.
>>743327528Hard disagree, for me it has to be Mew Mew>Quirky secret boss who has absolutely no connection to the evil secret ass lore each secret boss has been teasing.>She's literally just some hatsune miku catgirl who's main appeal is how sexy she is>Toby realizes people all think she's the worst secret boss because of her complete lack of lore or story content outside of being a literal filler secret boss possessed by a trans ghost and adds in an ultra lore nuke she drops.>For some reason she knows all this despite being some random fucking toy because uh lol whatever she's a cat dudeWorst secret boss in the entirety of Deltarune
>>743301260Funny enough, remake Sephiroth has turned into exactly this, complete with his own time machine.
>>743295352He could have been cool if they had stuck with the original plan of Chief and Blue Team being framed for the assassination of some high ranking UEG/UNSC figure by ONI. Instead we got the usual 343 Mellow drama slop with no actual stakes and every character making retarded decisions in order to create said drama.Lock himself wasn't really and issue, more the story he was in. The Spartan lady who grew up on an Sanghilie ship or whatever was far worse
>>743294747She is cool, her games sucks
>>743294205>speak to Wuk Lumat
>>743327528She was literally the cornerstone of the entire plot, and she was supposed to be a main character right from the beginning.
>all of these people just posting controversial characters or ones that they personally don't likeThe entire point of a "Poochie" character is one that is a of: lame, forgettable, short lived, and nearly universally hated or uninteresting to its target audience than otherwise liked the IP they were inserted into not counting contrarins
she's not hated that much but she still fits due to her becoming the main protagonist in 7, so most stuff from fever-15th got booted out, plus the marketing for said game calling it project ringo and having her be voiced by an idol that also sings the credits theme for puyo 7 and 20th. her game has had a mostly negative effect on the franchise.
>>743328084NERRRRRRRD
>>743327726She would have left a much better impression if Undertale's console port hadn't already used her. She's an insultingly bad rehash when Spamton NEO and Gerson exist as clever twists on old bosses.
>>743327683clear my ass, she's about as relevant to post-patches as lyse, aymeric, estinien, gosetsu and hien are
>>743328158A character like Ahsoka is not a Poochie character regardless of how much one dislike her for whatever reason. Poochies do not co-star multiple seasons of multiple successful shows, they do not continue to plastered on profitable slop merch literal years after their last appearance in any real piece of media.
Nothing has ever felt more forced to me than Saxton Hale. Even when he finally ends up in the actual game it's via a game mode that feels almost designed to bore the crap out of you.
>>743328512Ahsoka isn't a character. She's a self-insert for your annoying little sister that doesn't actually like Star Wars but wants to be included and should have been killed off early to spare everyone nearly 20 years of Filoni forcing her down their throats.And she's barely quotable, if at all. Rey is more quotable than her.
>>743294205Not quite a full Poochie since they're only in the post game but they fit most the other criteria>Is from a super secret tribe of dragon tamers that created mega evolution which was conveniently never mentioned until this point>Is a badasstm that doesn't play by the rules and can covertly infiltrate the villain team>Is actually stronger than the champion and makes Steven look like a dumbass in the story>Is only worthy to be fought with Mega Raquaza, no other Pokémon is worthy enough to fight her at full power
>>743303460>>743325872Apollo literally has the "Apollo went back to his home country" at the end of "his" trilogy lmao
>>743326362Sylvanas in WC3, i wonder where this is going. Sylvanas in WoW, oh fuck go back.
>>743328512Hi, Dave.
A Poochie is a character who hijacks the story from the actual main character
>>743312774>There should have been and "Ending C". Spare players of missing out on best ending where everyone survives and let them choose to kill that pretentious faggot Steven Ogg.???you can absolutely kill trevor in the ending
>>743327186You're baiting too hard anon
>>743326175FUCK YOU
>>743328512Importantly, she was never in the actual movies. George when he was in charge had a very firm policy of "do what you want as long as it doesn't contradict what I do, but I won't give a shit about it." She never showed up in anything that mattered to steal the spotlight from existing characters. Jar Jar is more of a Poochie than her, and even then I wouldn't classify him as one because he showed up in the first prequel movie so it's not like there were existing characters for him to steal the spotlight from (plus he was comic relief, not important).
>>743323323>Doesn't even existHe's mentioned several times in the main game.
>>743328651This is just cope and seethe. I don't even particularly love her but saying she has no character or wasn't/isn't popular is just retarded
>>743329213She doesn't. She's a parasite on Anakin's ass and that's it.
>>743325210She was a good friend Luke
>>743328084God I hate faggots like you. Most of these follow a clear idea of at the very least what people think Poochie means and isn't just "character I don't like"
>>743325203The Room
This thread is almost completely wrong. Ava is a poochie. Ava is a mid-40s writer's idea of a trendy teenage girl. Ava is a cunt.
Abel was important to SF4's plot and was supposed to be one of that generation's heroes but nobody really liked him and he was never playable again
>>743312774>look at how he kills that protagonist from a past game's dlcTo be fair, said protagonist was a worthless kike who ruined everything.
>>743329710I genuinely forgot abel existed until nowhonestly SF4 gen was mostly duds outside of juri, wasn't it? I liked rufus but even then that's basically just a joke character. who fucking even remembers guys like el fuerte or hasan? C Viper was also a giant pile of nothing that I'm pretty sure only returned in 6 because she has tits.
>>743329963Other than Juri they were all shitters. Viper was also in MVC3 and was kind of cool so she wasn't a complete dud in my fursonal opinion
>>743328669Honestly Zinnia is closer to a poochie than most posts ITT. Retconning Team Magma/Aqua to being things that she actively influenced into waking up Groudon/Kyogre was their way to make her relevant to the main game and it's all in service of making her look like she was in the right. It's so funny how they completely dropped her and her whole race of retard cave dwellers immediately after that because of how much people hated her. The gacha made her a freebie character (not even worth selling despite the tits) and the manga had Rayquaza beat the ever living shit out of her and those are the bulk of her appearances since then.
>>743328669Pokemon's real Poochie is this guy
>>743300610ok so the point, as outlined over and over and over to you, is the CHARACTER WENT AWAY. so it's THE OPPOSITE.
>>743328815What the post meant is that there shouldN'T have been an Ending C: you kill one guy or the other. Most people would off Steven Ogg.
>>743295935He was actually likeable though.
>>743294613I think Waluigi was created by Camelot, and Nintendo didn't really say anything because they figured no one would take him seriously, like those random characters Camelot used to put in its sports games.I'm sure that if Nintendo ever stops making sports games, they'll ditch Waluigi for good.
>>743330907>A Poochie isn't a Poochie unless they go away
>>743294205SNK tried so hard for years to prop up this dyke-haired chump as the new mascot/primary representative of SNK, only for even his own rival to eclipse him in organic popularity. While each subsequent new main protag for KoF ended up being more unsuccessful than the last, I still argue that Kyo is the biggest Poochie of the bunch since SNK didn't even attempt to push the others as company mascots like they did for him.
>>743323804>workedIf you’re under the age of 25 maybe
>>743329572>Ava is a mid-40s writer's idea of a trendy teenage girl.She also looks like a mid-40s woman’s head on a twelve year old’s body, so I guess that tracks
>ctrl + f>"wuk"based
>>743294747>>743294979>>743295042>>743295308>>743295345Someone was very proud of themselves
>>743295902Axl was perfectly fine and you'd hate him less if it wasn't x7 that introduced him.
>>743307974Eh, everyone I knew got over it fairly quickly
>>743298280Lightning isn’t really annoying or obnoxious aside from maybe the first five chapters of XIIIShe gets humbled in XIII-2 and jobs to the game’s villain, and she only defeats “God” (who in actuality didn’t create the universe or anything besides one planet and some robot demigods) with the help of her friendsYou could argue she’s a bit bland but she’s nowhere near as actually obnoxious as Wuk Lamat
>>743294205Why the poochie episode is hated when being insipid was the point?
>>743330743Yeh, Leon and Lillie in gen 7 are also good contenders. IMO Zinnia is ultimately worse though since she's aggressively forced in to a pre-existing game whilst existing characters are made to look incompetent or talk about how strong she is
>>743294205AI
>>743332113The episode itself is loved and one of the classics.
>>743296265>Miles is not a Poochie. He wasn't made as an attempt from a failing IP to reach a younger audienceSomeone needs to watch the Poochie episode. You have just described the definition of a Poochie.
>>743294613Waluigi is the Anti-Poochie. He was created by Camelot just to give Wario a partner in Mario Tennis. But because the Mario Sports games tended to show off more personality in the characters than the mainline games did, it made Waluigi look like some kind of much deeper, more interesting character by comparison, making him extremely popular even though he's almost exclusively relegated to the spin-offs, as he was always intended to be.
>>743332114Lillie's still popular even today,. Leon is a good pick though, his only fans were fujos who all moved onto newer characters.
>>743294205The fucking Zonai in Tears of the Kingdom, though maybe "Mary Sues" might be more fitting.>we wuz Rauru n shiet>we wuz the Royal Family n shiet>we wuz the first hero n shiet IIRC they didn't even do anything with this in Age of Imprisonment>we wuz the real Sheikah Tech n shietTo top it off, they got retconned massively from their flavor text mention in BotW, which is impressive given how brief it was. They were originally indicated to be a barbarian-like warrior race.
>>743327005>Have played FFXIV but not anywhere close to Dawntrail>Wonder if the hatred of Wuk Lamat is just hatred over an obnoxious troon puking his bad voice acting all over the most present character in the expansion>People start posting screenshots of the Japanosphere>Turns out the character is so bad it's just as hated when the tranny isn't involved>Hundreds of hours of tranny voice acting in the ENG dub is somehow a far secondary sin of Wuk LamatI can't comprehend how annoying this bitch must be, I almost look forward to playing Dawntrail
>>743294205raiden
>>743294205mighty number 9, it was advertised as from the creator of megaman! to a shittier dmake megaman made by obnoxious karen wokies..
>>743333378>whenever Wuk Lamat's not on screen, everyone should be asking "where's Wuk Lamat?"It really cannot be overstated how literal this meme is with her.
>>743295012>>743295959>>743296348>>743303868>>743306426>>743307974>>743333685this dosyn't make any sense, retards. Kojima didn't design Raiden to be cool or liked by the fans. he wanted to create a character that was the total opposite of Solid Snake and also a reflection of the player. a character that was tragic and inexperienced. there's a reason why Kojima got feedback from people who didn't like Snake and created Raiden based on that feedback
>>743325640he's talking about genesis>>743297972iirc he appeared in dirge of cerberus
>>743295012Raiden is hot.
>>743294205all sonic>yellow sonic>red sonic>girl sonic>egg manect
>>743325203Big Rigs
>>743329572It's impressive how borderlands is able to so consistently have the worst possibly written female characters.
>doesn't exist in game at all until 6th expansion>mentioned so often that her name instantly jumps to the top 25 words in the game text
>>743294747To add to this; every character made after 2006.
>>743326175i hated him at first but then he grew on me near the end of V
>>743295613I've never had a playthrough where I didn't immediately kill him as soon as he got within my sights. Avellone is such a dork.
>>743334751The Sonic franchise's REAL poochie is this industry plant fuck
>>743300696>>743300902I go out of my way to pick him in every game I can.WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>743296239This is only the case because people cannot handle how good Serious Sam 2 is.
>>743294205Girlbosses are an entire archetype of Poochies. Nobody fails at harder at being cool than them.
>>743294787What do you mean by this? No one cared about Viola because Bayonetta 3 was just bad
>>743327817>Remake SephirothAdvent Children Sephiroth, they have been unnecessarily milking that inexistent "bromance" between Cloud and Sephi since the early 00s, pure fujo pandering.
>>743294205https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqv5TYQTFYMThe theme song of Poochies
>>743298385Xion was relatively harmless
>>743294205Too many people mix up the terms poochie and scrappy.
>>743337159The Poochie is supposed to be coolThe Scrappy is supposed to be funny and cuteI mostly see people correctly talking about the former ITT
>>743294747trvth nvke
>>743294787 Not really. Viola is decently liked by people who played Bayo 3 and hated by people who didn't play it and just saw her design, screaming that she looks le woke. Your argument about Nero doesn't make any sense. Viola is nothing like Nero. Nero is an edgy yet likable teenager trying to save his cardboard love interest girl with shitty casual friendly GOW grab attacks in DMC4, and an unlikable angry caveman trying to destroy a giant tree with shitty casual friendly GOW grab attacks in DMC5. Viola looks like an edgy punk rock girl but is actually an overly positive cinnamon roll who fights with a katana and giant cat, and her story is about dimensional travel
>>743337423>an unlikable angry caveman trying to destroy a giant tree with shitty casual friendly GOW grab attacks in DMC5Filtered
>>743326787They just made him comically generic. Everyone refers to your CaC as "John Streets", but Luke is the real John Streets. He's just a happy go lucky former vet who likes a good clean fight. He has no hook or angle.Jamie's got at least a little cockiness. Kim is also pretty dull. Why exactly did she look into Bushin-ryu specifically? And "liking hip hop music and graphitti art" is honestly kinda stereotypical. It's not even a specific theme of art or subject she likes to draw, just...she likes tagging stuff I guess. She's a little bratty too, so that's something. But still, I figure Capcom will give them one more game to evolve and make an impact before they go the way of Alex and Abel. But at least people came around on Alex.
Fairy types being added to Pokemon.
>>743297972Has Zack been mewing?
>>743294205Krystal is among the most poochie videogame characters of all time.
>>743337993It’s because Dragons were getting too cocky and Ice types got shattered by Brick Break.
>>743295308>>743295345>literally 1 minute apart
>>743337778I dont really believe Abel was intended to be a the protagonists of 4, people keep saying this but I just dont see it
>>743303591>actually factually canonical fans of the NY Jets since they are entirely aware of how much DESPAIR they bring to their fan basethey're okay in my book.
Was the character introduced into an established series with its own persistent cast of character? If not, it's not a Poochie (i.e. Lightning).Was the character created to try to appeal to what execs and marketing suits thought were new casual audiences who weren't existing fans? If not, it's not a Poochie (i.e. Marie).Was the character pushed down everyone's throats to try and make you like the character, at the expense of the previously-existing characters? If not, it's not a Poochie (i.e. Raiden).Did audiences reject the new character in favor of demanding a return to how the series previously was before the character? If not, it's not a Poochie (i.e. Shadow).Anyway, the biggest example is literally everything from Soul Calibur V, which might as well be an entire Poochie Game.
>>743338676it was just trying to do a new generation thing
>>743299578Very true, have a (you)
>>743334485>>743333378It genuinely wraps around into being pretty funny, and thankfully the story isn't a retroactive lore rapefest like what WoW did with Shadowlands so despite being a fucking disaster DT and Wuk both feel pretty self contained.
>>743336997Please understand, that fujo is still seething about their gay ship
>>743337159Like Mary Sue their not often used strictly
>>743294984king behavior
every DEI character
>>743339173>uhhh it's le so bad it's le goodno the fuck not, we're not doing this with Woke Lameass
>>743328512Nigger people were tired of Ahsoka when TCW was airing pre Disney buyout, she just gets shoved everywhere because doesnt have anything else to do
>>743325203deadly premonition is too easy an answer and its intended to be weird, not because its incompetent (at least not fully). i cant really think of many on the spot
>>743331575Lucario is still very popular and relevant while Zoroark fell off hard
>>743340425because people hardly even knew he existed
>>743294205>What's the Poochie of vidya?>creator's introduce new character they think we'll be popular and loved, but gets rejected by the audience for being obnoxious and annoyingCan a Poochie be region specific?
>>743339964My only issue with Xion was, did we really need a third Kairi when they can't even accomplish anything with the first?
>>743294205Nomura's wife oc
I remember being here when people were comparing Lightning to Poochie. What a blast from the past.
>>743340614Even his extended appeal in Japan only went so far. His last non-crossover appearance (so not Smash or Hyrule Warriors) was almost 20 years ago in the last Tingle game. also, considering his brothers sport differently colored Tingle outfits, it's a HUGE missed opportunity that the BotW/TotK outfit can't be dyed.
No one has ever poochie'd so close to the sun as Wuk Lamat has. I honestly don't think there's even a close 2nd place.
>>743340724A lot of KH characters are mainly relevant in the game they were introduced in>Kairi is a big part of Sora's character and motivation in the first game>Namine is integral to the plot of CoM>Roxas is a core part of KH2
>wuk lamatthank god I dropped that fucking game mid heavensward
>>743341537I made an alt to play through the msq again and just stopped once I finished EW. I wouldn't wish DT and the tranny cat on my worst enemy.
>>743341676>to play through the msq againwhy would you do that on yourself anon
>>743294205Kiddy Kong
>>743294974She's pulling off the look.
>>743304690Supporting characters are evidently anathema (i.e. clearly shit) to these games.
>>743294205Pyra and Mythra
>>743338641Ethan is so bland and uninteresting that he's basically just a self-insert avatar for the player instead of a character. There's a reason Capcom always obscured his face. He's such a nothing character that basically no one cared about him dying in RE8. RE7&8 overall feel like weird spin-off games detached from the rest of the series instead of mainline games now that Capcom has returned to old characters, plotlines, and gameplay with RE9. They wanted to reboot the series with 7, but then they started doing remakes and realized that legacy characters and lore that have been building since 1996 still have huge lasting power, so they unrebooted the series with RE9. The entire setup with Ethan's daughter went nowhere and was for nothing. Lol
>>743294205Black women
>>743346094Funny how Capcom has two unreboots under their belts now (DMCV and RE9).
>>743294205Overwatch.
>>743326883well, jack isn't trying to be a redesign of the face of the franchise in the new mainline reboot of the series.and jack is sort of the opposite of donte, he's 100% serious in a story that feels like a parody.
>>743328623hes not boring when i slide stomp and saxton punch a group of reds
>>743330743Leon feels intentional as a Poochie, so it doesn't work. He's supposed to be a bit overbearing and annoying, which makes you want to actually beat him when you can.
>>743294205My brother in christ, was The Simpsons ever good? It never made me laugh
>>743350671If you can sit through seasons 3 to 7 without laughing once, you are genuinely inhuman.
>>743350671Are you some zoomie who's mostly seen modern Slopsons?
>>743350671Yes. Are you young? Because when I was young I watched it all, all that was out at the time, and I only thought the newer seasons (past 10 or something) were good. I've since grown and now I love the old seasons.
>>743323074So is Cloud
>creator's introduce new character they think we'll be popular and loved, but gets rejected by the audience for being obnoxious and annoyingWell that sounds just likemy peanus weanus :DDDha ha hah hanew character they think will be popular and loved, but gets rejected by the audience for being obnoxious and annoying?well, it is, obviously, my peanus weenus :DDD
>>743324169more than that, Game Freak gave up on pushing Zoroark right away. Like Lucario got relentlessly pushed for years, Zoroark got one movie and then vanished from Game Freak's radar. its a shame too because Zoroark was a much cooler design than Lucario. I think the team who added Team Preview was separate from the people who designed Zoroark and when they found out what the other guys had done just called for a hard abandon ship on Zoroark.
>>743302889Stop being a fucking faggot.Axel and Roxas are best friends.
>>743294613>retarded nameWarui is Japanese for bad, his name is Waruigi which literally is 'Bad Luigi'. He has a better name than Wario.
>>743294747considering how big final fantasy was and how bad lightning was, there's no better answer
>>743338167brick break is power 75, as a non-STAB coverage move that's not that great. just make Ice resist dragon like it always should've and they wouldn't have needed to add a new type just to nerf Outrage.
>>743334190Are you serious? They didn't even try with Mao. He was just the first attempt to completely get away from the Laharl crew.
>>743351118Also having Zoroark being locked behind a limited time special event was retarded as it meant barely anyone could obtain it regularly compared to Lucario in gen 4. They realised this issue by BW2 with the free Zoroua you get but by then the damage had been done
>>743326982the expansion was so bad it practically killed the game. I can’t fathom what you gain by defending it
WUK LMAO THREAD
>>743351173NTA butDamn, I never realised that. That's pretty clever.
>>743350671it was situationally funny, not laugh out loud funny. futurama is the same way
>>743351118>Zoroark got one movie and then vanished from Game Freak's radar.it got a new form and they went all-in on the design considering it's one of the actually really fucking cool nu-pokemon, and unlike base Zoroark, it's actually strong
>>743327217I DID NOT HIT CHAOS IT'S BULLSHIT IT'S NOT TRUE I DID NOT HIT HIM I DID NAHT
>>743351521oh hi mark
>>743294205Fag is the living definition of poochie>Character is based on a J-pop singer>Ever since he is introduced they try to show how "deep" and edgy he is>They make a retcon to add him to the whole Nibelheim backstory>Even after Zack beats his ass somebody steals his corpse and he's seen on the dirge of Cerberus endingGenesis is simply everything that is wrong with modern SE, and I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up again as part of those " expansions" they are saving for 7R-3
>>743295104FPBPShittiest character ever.
>>743334190I love this niggayou just don't get his charm
>>743351506turns out giving a pokemon whose gimmick is pretending to be something else some immunities so it can actually take advantage of said gimmick is a good idea. who could've guessed that one, eh Game Freak?. pushing it into the lowest of the "actually considered fast" speed tiers doesn't hurt either. base Zoroark's 105 speed is such a bad joke.
>>743294726ps2chads won by not having her at all
>>743294205I feel like every new Street fighter game has a Poochie MC that they abandon and come crawling back to Ryu after the first version.
>>743352015I thought that giving Zoroark a mega could've been funny in theory, if just to give it some more unpredictability and then a more useful skill when it stops being relevant. Only that it won't really too work as well since it's just kind of crap as-is.
>>743352267I mean, if they can make Beedrill good with a mega they can definitely make Zoroark work with a mega too. ultimately though Game Freak seems to seriously overvalue illusion, Zoroark seems designed to suck from the start thanks to its mediocre BST and bad typing. Hisuian at least fixed one of those.
>>743352616Yeah Zoroark really just had everything go wrong at once. Still seems to have a following at least.
>>743352730>Nursery Aide just pouncing the MCnot sure if that's Zoroark or the crossdresser.
>>743294205Any nonwhite or woman replacing a White character in an existing series.
>>743294923Crash is fine, and it helps that he's silent (in the originals, never played past 3)
>>743351279wuk lamat is the poochie of poochie threads
The good guys in Mortal Kombat X. Instead of the classic characters you get their gay, boring kids.>Cassie Cageboring female version of Cage with nauseating performance by Ashley Burch>Kung Jinactual FAGGOT cousin or some shit to Kung Lao, utterly boring>Jacqui Briggsah yes, exactly what MK needed this whole time! a boring nigress... with absolutely no character beyond being Cassie's bestie.>Takedathe closest to a real character but still utterly boring. his style and weapons are unique enough to make him less forgettable than the others, so there's that.
>>743296136Pac-Man World 2 is a very beloved game and got a very good and successful reimagining last year.Limbed Pac-Man and the games he's in are fucking awesome so you can go suck a fat fucking dick
>>743294205This is beating a dead horse but watching the trailers for Concord shows they REALLY wanted you to think this dipshit was absolutely hilarious
>>743335442>future trunks but hedgehog
>>743323749No. Sonic himself was made to be a Poochie in a series where every new character tries to outpooshie the last one. And in an IP where everybody is a Poochie, then nobody will be.
>>743353436To be fair: Future Trunks himself is just Saiyan Kyle Reese and Lucina shows ripping off Future Trunks does work.
>>743296136But pacman 2 is the best pac-game. Your just filtered
>>743294747This. FFX and XI had really likable fun characters with distinct personalities, then XII was extremely bland and unlikable. So when they were working on XIII they clearly decided to go fucking HAM trying to overdo the cool sliders for maximum appeal. Like shit yeah why not just slap a black guy with an afro in there too so it looks hip for the kids on a bunch of Familymart marketing.
>>743353304I don't get why everyone threw a hissy fit over Soul Calibur 5 doing this exact thing but MK gets a pass when the replacements are even more boring than what SC5 made
None of these are characters that got added and killed off after the devs get a clueMaybe that chick from Gears of War
It's Sonic. Search your autism and you'll know it's true
big fan of square enix and its music. I couldnt even tell you ff 13s music or what even is lightings signature weapon.
>>743294205>What's the Poochie of vidya?>>creator's introduce new character they think we'll be popular and loved, but gets rejected by the audience for being obnoxious and annoyingnuLara
>>743354063NRS successfully cultivated a fandom that'll eat up whatever they shit out. Just look at how they embraced the dogshit that is MK1.
>>743313326This is the only pokemon that gets the same shill status as gen 1 monsters. Three trainers (Aaron, Riley, Cynthia) incorporated elements of it into their designs literally from its debut. The characters in PMD sucked its dick before it was even in the games proper, and the super completionist rank for that game was literally "Lucario rank." There has never been a pokemon before or after Lucario with the same amount of effort put into marketing. Two years shilling in advance of being able to actually obtain one. Forced to use one in XY, and as your first mega. Randomly beats Cynthia's Garchomp in the anime, and then they give a shiny mega one to the next animals protagonist OFF SCREEN.Pokemon is the highest grossing media franchise in existence, and Lucario is also a dog; it could have been *THE* Platonic ideal of A Poochie, but Pokedrones are retarded and still eat it up in every appearance the same way they chug the rest of Gamefreak's slop.
>>743354484Sonic predates Poochie by like 7 years or something.
>>743302050She has a cock. She's a Sora replica, after all.
Lightning from Final Fantasy, Apollo from Ace Attorney and Miles Morales from Spiderman.
>>743294747People that say this has no idea what a poochie is
>>743327528I wouldn't go that far but if you're gonna throw the term poochie around it really does apply to her more than Susie
>>743356428Isn't a poochie a character that gets stuffed down everyone's throat despite not being very popular? What is your definition?
>>743306873>since he has gained an identity different than ParkerHe's still calling himself Spider-Man.
>>743356626It's the introduction of a NEW character that is forced down. Wuk from FFXIV is the perfect example of a poochie. Lightning can't be a poochie because she was the main character from start.
>>743356752She's a new character to the series and one that was explicitly stated as being an attempt to recapture Cloud's popularity
>>743357015ff13 is a stand alone game, universe and story.
>>743357074It's the 13th (mainline) entry of the series, and the series itself had just slumped with FF12>Each game has its own continuityJust like each episode of Itchy and Scratchy.
>>743333378>>>Turns out the character is so bad it's just as hated when the tranny isn't involvedWell yeah a good VA can't fix awful writing. Dawntrail's main story feels like complete amateur hour even compared to the weaker parts of the rest of the game.
>>743357119Stop being disingenuous
>>743297852he went from>yet another haha funny gimmick antagonist>look he said the lineto>dropping truth nukes one after another>being genuinely likable and having more respectable motives than the protagonistswhich ironically makes the cringe stuff about him based in retrospect
>answering anything othen than wuk lmaoI envy you people who never had to play through DT
>>743294205that's basically every american game from the past 15 years
>>743360084Give me one example.
>>743336591there was a little bit of soul in Hellblade 1, ''How does he so effortlessly court the world in bliss? If only she could do the same... see the world through eyes anew... and dance with it, just like he does.'' sure she was crazy but she was crazy about her man.
>>743294747The fact this is the post with more agrees says volumes how retarded this board is.
>>743353361Concord might actually be one of the best examples of gaming Poochies. Both its cast, and the game itself.
>>743361806I think you don't get what a Poochie is. First there needs to be a long running series in which the popularity is waning, so in a desperate attempt by the producers, they introduced a new character thinking he would be popular and save the series. Second, the audience hates the new character and him existing derails everything, and third, the company was forced to remove the character because of the backlash.
>>743294205Solas
>>743295868>death of the outsiderdas rayciss
>>743294205the ugly aloy bitch from horizon
>>743355264they made it sexy and cool looking, that's literally all you need to do
>simpshit in 2026South American or Pinoy no wonder this is over 24 hours
>>743294726Nnnngh those legs
>>743354927>Tomb RedditI have to go back.
>>743321271neh. he was cool before t6
It is very obviously Mighty No 9. Not checking the thread to see if it was already posted
>>743294747Lightning is a Goddess
>>743306426I hate raiden in mgs2 because I was expecting to play with snake, but I loved him in 4 and rising
To be real honest, nearly all games from the past decade are poochie try-hards.
all feminists
>>743315809Most people liked Alyx at the time, especially in Episodes 1 and 2. Saying otherwise is revisionist history.
>>743351521>I DID NOT HIT CHAOS IT'S BULLSHIT IT'S NOT TRUE I DID NOT HIT HIM I DID NAHT>oh are those cubes?
>>743294747Yep
>>743326581>when some random woman looks at the retard and wants to spread her legs to himI mean, that's the most realistic thing in the franchise
>>743334190Mao is a juvenile 13 year old just like Laharl, except he's annoying instead of endearing. Not the worst protag, but he was a huge downgrade from smooth and stylish giga Chad pussy slayer like Adell
>>743294205>>743294875The Horizon franchise itself. I remember back when they created an artificial ps5 shortage and then held them hostage behind being bundled with Forbidden West. There was a good half a year or so where you could only buy a ps5 if you also bought forbidden west with it.And then it still wasn't selling well so gamestop threw Elden Ring and a second controller into the bundle.I ended up playing it since it was forced on me and I liked the first one despite the main character, but I was shocked at how much worse the writing and level design were
>>743294205It seems like a lot of people don't understand what the OP is asking.Poochie is a character added when story/show/movie series/ starts to see waning in franchise popularity and so executives come up with the idea that what it needs to get people interested is a NEW CHARACTER!! So they go out and do research on what's "hip and cool with the contemporary youth of today." and you end up with this character that appeals to nobody because it is just a shallow combination of things with no substance.
>>743315809Anon, no one had any issues with Alyx back then, or really now.This doesn't make any sense.
>>743315809Who hated Alyx? Everyone loves Alyx.
>>743301628Pretty much>Wholy irrelevant in her debut game>Pretty much relegated to a damsel in distress with exotic attire and beauty>They kept shoving her in later games because the main artist of the franchise and Miyamoto thought she was sexy. That's it. That's the reason they kept her around. >Only autistic furfags find her attractive>The average gamer doesn't give a shit about her>Shes "The Empath" but mostly uses her powers to go all "Oooh there's a big enemy approaching ooooh", something other characters already did>Her whole personality is "Being Fox's girlfriend". >Gets retconned in later reimaginings of the franchise and never mentioned again, not even by the devs themselves
>>743334190>>743351943his game was fucking awful
>>743365405the opening is peak cinema and I liked the characters and school setting but yeah. the gameplay somehow massively regressed. I can see why Nippon Ichi doesn't want to put it on steamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3wsNtWbF2I
