Lies of P and dlc is the hardest for sure.
>>743295228For me it was WuChang
>>743295228All of these are good. Who cares about ranking them?
>>743295228Khazan is the only good game there and it's a SoP clone
Wukong
>>743295228I never played Khazan because I love Nioh and Khazan fans keep yelling "Nioh is shit, Khazan is Nioh done right" so I decides to avoid the game out of spite.Same reason I blacklisted Project Wingman and Signalis.
>>743295228Lies Of P is the closest thing to Dark Souls even though it also tries to be a little Sekiro.
>>743295228Lies of P > Wuchang > AI Limit > Khazan LotF 2 isn't out yet, why is it there?
>>743296117Never seen anyone make that comparisonIt has much to do with nioh as nioh does with souls
>>743296172It's more Bloodborne than either of those 2 games.
>>743295228Nioh 1 and 2. All others are mid
>>743296343>Never seen anyone make that comparisonLmao Why do you lie so brazenly?
>>743296717I have not, I don't doubt you did but it must have one specific instance
>>743295228Croc 2 (PS1)
>>743295228If you think that any souls or soulslike games are “hard”, you’re not in a position to talk about the best games.
>>743295228Lies of P has difficulty settings lmao
>>743296032dunno, i found kazan difficulty all over the placeearly game with viper and that next fag was a nightmarelast 2 bosses i beat in 2 tries, it like it front loads the game with insane retarded skill checks before you get to learn it properly>>743296117you should try itsignalis is nice too, pure nostalgia bait but its fun, and the dyke shit isnt that in your face, its done in a romanticized way
>>743296257>LotF 2 isn't out yet, why is it there?since i was thinking of loft fallen 2, which is lords of the fallen 1 now i guess since they rebooted the series and lords of teh fellen 2 is actually 3?shit is confusinganyway meant the one thats out
>>743295228Lords of the Fallen is decent, AI limit and Wuchang are waifu shit, Lies of P is mediocre, Khazan is a character action game not a Souls Like.
>>743297139Was pretty good, I used the medium setting since my DLC playthrough was on NG+
>>743295228It's Lies of P by a sizeable margin but we've yet to actually see a "good" soulslike. Nioh is closer to a Diablo game with Ninja Gaiden movesets.
>>743296962poor bait>>743297139goodthe difficulty in those games is getting to extreme levels of not fun anymorebeat kazan nad lies of p on max difficulty, but im retarded, most people arent this tryhard and dont have reaction speed of a cati blame it 100% on delayed attacks, fucking no boss seems to move based on the laws of the universe, conserve momentum or abide by the laws of gravity you now have bosses fucking float in air for 5 seconds and attacking in 0.1sec, fucking elden ring
khazan was never cracked so I never gave it a try
>>743297561all bosses are just "hahaha, wait till you act." nonsense that killed any purpose in playing single player fighting games.
>>743295228ai limit
Lies of P perfected the soulslike genre.
>>743297693oh yeah the hallway level design was amazing
>>743297714I see they learned from the masters. (Capcom.)
>>743296117Khazan is fine for boss battles but combat is kinda stale after you figure out your optimal weapon combo and generally the game just doesn't have the longevity and experimentation of nioh.
>>743297397>AI limit and Wuchang are waifu shitironic i liked them the mostlords of fallen has a lot of good design decisions, but its short and copies too much from DS3 to feel distinct, liked the fact you could fuck up platforming and get another chance, the 2 world thing felt underusedlies of P was well made, but i kind of blasted past it without much opposition since by that point i played all of this crapkhazan has literally souls combat, item and level system and exploration, the gear and hub system dosnt add that much to make it crazy diffrent, what does is much better combat and movement system, for once a weapon has more than 2 attacks with 2 specials
>>743297342What part of "I blacklisted those games" you don't get? I unironically would play (and in fact I did) games like Code Vein 2 or Silent Hill f over Khazan and Signalis.
>>743297693It was definitely the best non-FROM game but for all its design genius, it still had the same mistakes all of them have: They worship "le Dark Souls shortcuts" but without any of the open exploration from DS1. So you kick ladders down in every area, but no player will ever have a different order of stargazers, it's all linear
Last Hero of Nostalgaia
>>743297693the level design in it is shiti liked that the combat is more aggressive and builds on itself, but fuck me there has to be middle ground between a corridor game and open world slopai limit feel much more fun to explore and run around in
>>743296515I could just play nioh 2 forever. Keep all the other games in this shitty genre.
>>743297791>if [character focus - no customization beyond armor/weapon sets - hallway level design - no ability to "get lost" in a level (sandboxy environment) - linear character development with abilities unlocked through purchasing them from a store]: "Character Action Game."pretty simple definition.
>>743297907>fuck me there has to be middle ground between a corridor game and open world slopThat's called Dark Souls 1. Apparently it's so hard to do that even Fromsoft will never go back to it
playing lies of P right now, game is boring as fuck. same enemies all the way, most weapons are shit, levels linear as fuck, rewards that lying aorund are shit too. i totally don't like this game, forcing myself to complete it. And there are Overture dlc, that is boring too, but most enemies hit you for 50%+ hp
Code Vein 1
Only Wuchang and lies of p are good
>>743298421not after they china-approve patched the game and killed the company.
>>743295228Some of the DLC bosses in Lies of P feel like Promised Consort Radahn levels of unforgiving difficulty. >No bro, perfect guard everything, it'll be fine though
Black Souls 2
>>743298574yeah everything past a certain point in lies of p it feels fucking brutal, i dont mind the combat but bosses do too much dmg, i hate thatwhen bosses start 1 or 2 shooting you, you start being afraid and you dont experiment, you can practice timings and you get more pissed offalso i legit hated consort radahan, the 10-20 hit combos and more importantly, complete inability to tell where hitboxes of the attacks are
>>743298336>make a decent souls clone years ago>sequel bait>sequel is a reboot>sequel is worsewhat
>>743298057how the fuck do you even manage to be wrong on every accounthonestly impressive
Jedi Fallen Order
>>743297139On the hardest one its fun but the dlc is pretty brutal. Lies of P bosses all have 1 or 2 obvious quirks to them so they're not hard once you figure them out (I parry this phase and not the next one or vice versa/I can dodge under this one/etc). They're pretty fun but IMO souls games in general have simply gotten harder and harder and it is getting to the point where its a little bullshit.Dark Souls 1 was memed as being brutally difficult but its pretty brain dead compared to modern ones. If you consider LOTF, Pieta is the first real boss and has more moves than Gwyn and hes the final boss of Dark Souls 1 and she even does shit like arena spanning moves. Shes not hard but it is pretty significant how far these games push the player. Even Ornstein and Smough is pretty brain dead compared to the meme bosses in later entries. Until they patched them in Elden Ring the dual Crucible Knights had no coordination so they'd both just spam attacks through each other.
>>743295228I genuinely enjoyed Wuchang and didn't particularly like others in the OP so I guess that one. I haven't played AI Limit so maybe it's better but I doubt it since LotF is there and that was the epitome of mediocrity.Nioh 1 and 2 were both pretty good, a little less happy about 3 since it's got the "bonuses on parry" which I felt centralized things a little too much. Still fun, just not as much as 2. They aren't really souls clones though, closer to Diablo or some arpg like that but more involved instead of mindless screen clearing.
>>743300774ai limit is more about exploration and running around getting lost in sf sewers than fighting bosses
>>743300774IMO nioh is a lot better designed than most of these games because they aren't constantly trying to pull some kind of gotcha that fucks with you. The bosses are pretty straight forward and dont lean too hard into delayed swings or bullshit catches if you try swinging more than once. The intent is to embolden the player once they know what theyre doing and its a lot more fun to pulverize things that can still kill or one shot you if you aren't paying attention.
>>743300074>sequel baitCode Vein's ending wasn't a sequel bait; it was a "play God Eater" bait.
I liked Hellpoint enough to complete it three times. Is it perfect? No. Is it jank? Yes. But it's also really fucking cool. I love the setting.
>>743301439Yeah other than those 4 armed beyblade enemies 3 felt incredibly fair compared to some of the Elden Ring and Nightreign bosses with their delay-tech.
>>743301693Is this the one where you have several forms and the inactive ones take damage when you heal your active one
>>743302026No, you're an alien dude with two thumbs in Hellpoint. No form switching nonsense.
No way anyone thinks Nioh 1 is better than AI Limit. Not only is Nioh 1 the bad kind of jank, you also go through the same levels and bosses. AI Limit is severely underappreciated in how responsive the controls and combat are, which are among the best, if not the best in the genre. The exploration aspect speaks for itself and the thing it's lacking the most is better bosses, but I could say that about most soul games.
>>743295228My top 4 are>LOTF2023>The Surge 2>The Surge>Lies of PPossibly in that order, but they are all amazing games
>>743302261Nioh 1 had some jank, yeah. 2 was definitely the peak. 3 was alright but not as good.I didnt finish AI Limit but I did find it pretty easy and not in a bad way. I've said this in several threads before but not every game needs to be a goddamn ballbuster constantly. I remember AI Limit being pretty chill for a souls game.
Lies of P, Wuchang, and Khazan are the only good souls clones made so far. Everything else has missed the mark by a huge margin. I'll give AI Limit a TBD because I only briefly tried it and just didn't get hooked. LotF was trash, good aesthetic but the level design is ass, combat very slow and jank (even after all the updates), and genuinely the worst bosses I've ever fought in this genre.Lies of P I feel is the one that closest matches a From game in quality, but Wuchang and Khazan are both really really good in their own ways.
>>743295228Amomg those, Lies of P is the closest
>>743302309i liked surge, had some cool ideassurge 3 could have really polished it with inspiration from modern souls likesatlas fallen was a weird game to make next, it flopped, even if i kinda liked it was clunky as fuck
>>743303405I did not even know deck13 had made a new game lmao, stupid retards go back to making surge 3
>>743302309What's so good about LOTF?
>>743303996Interconnected world and exploration, the game even has an exploration-focused gimmick which I love. But it's not for people who enjoy big challenging boss fights, it's for those who wanna explore non-linear levels
>>743303580yeha the new game is nothing like a souls game, its a semi open world action game with gearstarts clunky as all fuck, but once you unlock abilities it plays greati think they underestimate how bad first impression it made, you cant have a shit game for first few hours and lock the best elements for later, people will drop it after 30 min
>>743304291Atlas Fallen was solid but it also didn't help that they tried to go full AAA presentation with it where the beginning is slowly exploring shitty ruins and having story cutscenes played at you
Most of them have better combat than souls yet I can't bring myself to play any of them for more than a single playthrough.
>>743295228Out of these I only played AI limit and Wuchang and both are fantastic, the pacing and mechanics are just right.Once I'm done with Relink's DLC I'm planning to play the fucboi's game, are the other two worth it?
>>743304590I know that feel, I wonder what causes it. It's like replaying a soulslike is a chore even when you know where everything is
>>743304603>Purgethe what now?
>>743305317>>743304590nah, that's because From Software makes this staff natural, it is as it should be. slow, heavy, kinda simulator of bad knight in the shit.and other games you see like, "ai limit - chinese parody on souls games" or "lies of p - boring game with souls combat but tunnel levels"
>>743295228Nioh has great combat because it was made by devs with experience in making action games. AI Limit is more or less the only game in the genre that is able to successfully replicate the exploration style of Demon's Souls and to an extent Dark Souls 1.
