Now the dust has settled, can we finally admit that this game sucks?
Which part of it filtered you?
Dusty old bones full of green dust
It definitely doesn't suck. It's actually extremely good. But it pretty much failed on all the fronts that gave HK such a huge following in the first place.Despite being extremely polished with a ton of content it's basically already forgotten.
>>743312184so it sucked. I got it because I expected hollow knight gameplay and that's not what I got
>>743312019One of the best games ever made and far superior to Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight is an S-Tier game for sure, but Silksong mogs it so hard. Silksong is an actual sequel, it raises the bar and expects the player to have played Hollow Knight before, that is why it filtered so many newcomers and shitters who just cheesed through Hollow Knight.Team Cherry is without a doubt the best indie developer in the world.
>>743312019No the dust hasn't settled yet because I still see threads about this game every single day. Come back after 5 years maybe.
>>743312019No it managed to exceed all my expectations and became one of my top 3 favorite games of all time, actually. But I know that not everyone would agree, there are some divisive aspects to it which I can understand putting some people off.
>>743312184>>743312231It's a better than hollow knight.
>>743312019Yes
I must admit that I found it to be more tedious than hard. I don't know why.
>>743312019I have never used the term tranny game game before. Silksong is and absolute tranny game.
>>743312184>failed on all the fronts that gave HK such a huge following in the first place.Explian?Its definitely forgotten.
>>743315341100%. HK was casual and fun but silksong is adhd meds tranny shit and that's why I dropped it
>>743315197Stone recharge at the bench could have saved it. They saw vials in bloodborne and wanted to emulate that...
>>743315491>>743315341>silksong is adhd meds tranny shit>Silksong is and absolute tranny game.
>>743315341>>743315645Alright I'll bite. What is a tranny game? What qualities make a game a tranny game? What separates tranny games from non-tranny games?
It's a good game that drops the ball incredibly hard in the last third and on replay all its issues come up
>>743312072The one where on a branching path after enemies that don't drop currency, i fought a boss and my reward was 50 shards.Zero rewards for exploration is cancer especially to a metroidvania.
>>743315885read the image and all will be revealed to you. ofcourse, if you're in bed with that kind of lifestyle yourself then you'll never understand it
>>743315341>>743315491Words can't describe how happy I am that you subhumans were filtered by Silksong. Silksong is for True Gamers, now seethe and cope for all eternity.
>>743312019NEVER
There are three (3) prime examples where the game's sequel is objectively more polished than its predecessor, but they took so long to develop it and so little has changed that they fall short1. GoW 2018 > Ragnarok2. BotW > TotK3. HW > Silksong5+ years of development, structure remains mostly the same, a few additions here and there, but you can't help but think "they took half a decade just for this?"Honorable mention to spiderman to spiderman 2, but that's a different kind of humilliation ritual
>>743315885Respect to team cherry, they pursued a vision over profits. The issue is some people got into Hollow Knight, I mean really got into hollow knight, I mean played it constantly and did every challenge. They joined a discord with one of the developers, and thats the theory on why it was so different from hollow knight. He listened to the top 0.1% hollowknight fans, that have a huge overlap with Autism, AGP, and trannyism (check out speed runners) to make a game the 50th percentile Hollow Knight fan dropped.
>>743312019HOW DO YOU BEAT THIS FUCKER I JUST WANT TO WIN THE GAMMME
>>743315341Oh my god just go fuck a transvestite and get it out of your system. Stop bringing up trans every 5 minutes. I'm so tired of this shit, I hate the wokes and the anti-wokes SO much.
>>743315506Yeah I could see that. I really made sparse usage of the tools because recharging them was bit of a pain.
>>743316767
>>743316939have you tried jumping its attacks?
>>743316531>Words can't describe how happy I am that you subhumans are filtered by women. Reproduction is for real men, now seethe and cope for all eternity.To each their own I guess. Id rather have the skill set to suck on fat zoomette tits but if being a tranny game champ is what makes you happy, Im happy.
Beats me, the art style is so pretentious that I'm never playing this hipstergarbo.
>>743315419NTA but:HK had lots of kingdoms in some sort of conflict with eachother and the story you have to piece toghether is what exactly happened not only with radiance but with its leadup as the Pale King unified hallownest, the environmental storytelling was on point, meanwhile silksong is more "oooooh big bad enslaved everyone... AGAIN, time for you to kill it" and that was it, nice immagery with the bells and stuff but on par with the dreamcatcher things of HK.It also doesn't help that's worse designed in the exploration front, you go off track and you're not going to find jack shit besides MAYBE the shard you used for the tools, meanwhile HK felt like you were making progress in all directions.Charm system is simpler and more elegant than the crest system, you got free slots? customize your experience how you want, equip 3 powerful charms or 10 different ones for exploration, the world is your hoyster, meanwhile Silksong felt like a psychotic girlfriend that arbitrairily divides charms by type and tells you how much of each exactly you can use (usually between 1 and 3 on crests where 6 slots is usually the max).Larger hurtbox, smaller attack range, enemies that don't move in a fixed pattern, double damage, 80% of the enemies being primal aspids who also can fly away and sometimes turn invincible while you're platforming are no fun.But most importantly is a big repeat of HK, almost beat by beat, the novelty turned off in the 9 years of wait between games, and between the tranny porn spamming adudience and "git gud" hypersweats the core audience, the one that kept the fandom alive the most, was replaced by people who are trendchasers and already abandoned the game for the next one.
>>743316807>I have never used the term tranny game game beforeI mean if Poison was real or I ever met Linetrap I would, just 99.99% dont do it for me unfortunately.
Hollow Knight difficulty is for babies, exploration/atmosphere are good. Silksong has nice combat/movement, a little higher difficulty but overall I think it's pretty mid for now. Will see what the DLC adds but I think they should have gone harder and had more secret areas inside of secret areas. I really wish Hunter's March and Wisp Thicket were bigger. Would have been cool if the ant tunnels connected to all areas in some way or something of that nature.
>>743315341>chill game but challenging to masterHollow Knight is an easy game, it isn't challenging to master at all.>despite relying on broken builds, or save copies for achievements.What do you mean by save copies? There is no need to back up or manipulate save copies for Hollow Knight achievements, the game allows you to pause and quit out of any potentially losing fight that is endangering your Steel Soul/Heart run.The only achievement that takes skill in Hollow Knight is Embrace the Void. You are a poser and a secondary and don't know what you are talking about.Silksong is 100x better than Hollow Knight.
>>743317208High IQ Anon
>>743317306>the game allows you to pause and quit out of any potentially losing fight that is endangering your Steel Soul/Heart run.Retard Pottery. The fact you don't even get it and thought that was a great rebuttle is just so perfect. LOL, LMAO even
>>743316451Are you referencing the big ant at the top of the Hunter's March? 1. That's no boss. 2. The reward isn't just the stuff stuck on the strings.Or what are you referencing?
>>743312019Metroidvanias are shit in general
>>743312019It's not a bad game. It's just annoying.
Did team cherry make the game easier than it used to be? I haven’t played since it dropped and I could barely get through act 1
>>743312019The only big flaw is that you have to use currency to restock your side weapons. That‘s utterly retarded
>>743317524Most definitely. They know they made a tranny game and tried to fix it. Too little too late.
It's pretty mid as far as Metroidvanias go. Not exactly sure what the hype was about.
>>743315885AGDQ/Ultrakill shit.
>>743317481I forgot, happened to me three times, once for each direction but down.
>>743316939There’s an NPC that will help you with this fight. Also just pogo on its back and spam the thread storm
>>743315419This is like the third time I'm making this post so I'll try to be as concise as possible.The reason HK created such a big following and generated such insane hype for SS is because of the following: The atmosphere, the exploration, and the whimsical characters. The combat was never anything to write home about, and often criticized heavily both on 4channel and everywhere else. But nobody cared because of the previously listed reasons. Everything in the game was condensed to just right the amount to where it never felt too big, or too small. You get just the right dosage every time. SS, which was originally meant to be a DLC, completely revamped the combat and made it much better with tons of movement options and verticality. And then the rest of the game is designed to accommodate that. Which would have been completely fine for a DLC, but whenever they decided to make it into a full game it's very obvious that the aforementioned elements that elevated HK, then suffered as a result in SS. IE, the gameplay came first, and everything else came second.SS's zones are way too big making any kind of 2nd playthrough or general exploration/secret finding tedious. There are way too many NPCs, the vast majority of whom are forgettable. The only standouts are the ones you're forced to interact with 100 times, excluding Sherma.The story is easily the weakest part, as it's is a less interesting version of HKs story and the main villain(s) is utterly lame and pathetic compared to those from HK.Now don't get me wrong, it's not completely devoid of the things that made HK good. Choral Chambers OST is nice, and the raining crow zone is actually one of my favorites from both games. But the fact that the three time warp zones (Ant Kingdom, Verdania, Sea Kingdom) are the most interesting places in the entire game, and you're only there for like 1/5th of a level and 20 minutes, speaks volumes.
>>743317712I don't believe you. Because that didn't happen. And if you thought it happened, then you must have missed what the bosses actually gave unlocked.
>>743312019The major complaint seems to be that it’s too hard. I somewhat agree, but even I managed to beat Act 3.
>>743315885generally stuff that doesn't want you to play it but makes you want to consume media surrounding it.High difficulty so you watch stuff on youtube.Pseudophilosophy so you'll listen to a 2h essay by some fag.Character design and story beats that invite porn to be made of them (this is weird here since design in silksong are fine but artists were already in a rat race to draw them bimbofied)
>>743317208>enemies that don't move in a fixed patternThey do. But the patterns depend on the context surrounding them. Namely the platforms in question and their relative distance to you. It's still predictable. They're still repeated patterns.
>>743317475>Retard Pottery.Projection.>The fact you don't even get it and thought that was a great rebuttle is just so perfect.You don't comprehend the definition of the words you use.>LOL, LMAO evenEmbarrassing cope.You got exposed, get over it.
>>743317306>The only achievement that takes skill in Hollow Knight is Embrace the Void.I wouldn't use the word skill because Hollow Knight bosses aren't all that challenging. P4 is more annoying than challenging from the aspect of time and all the stupid intro animations you have to sit through over and over. I think it's hilarious they put the canon ending behind it though and that like 0.4% of people have done it themselves. Silksong "difficulty" filtering people is never going to stop being hilarious for me. All these out of touch gamers who think they are good got a reality check and that is what pisses them off. They will seethe about contact damage or bad game design because they are incapable of learning.
>>743317774>>743317208Also a lot of really good points.>and between the tranny porn spamming adudience and "git gud" hypersweats the core audience, the one that kept the fandom alive the most, was replaced by people who are trendchasers and already abandoned the game for the next one.This is painfully true as well. Even in this fucking thread, you have absolute retards saying>LMAO YOU HATE SS BECAUSE YOURE BAD GET GOOD SHITTERLike this game is a fucking singleplayer side scroller. It's not that hard in the first place.These "people" who clearly didn't play HK get upset because new players or old HK fans criticize SS and then lose their shit over it like it's some sort of competition between then two. When in reality, most HK fans probably liked SS a lot but it just didn't hit the same.
>>743317774>raining crow zone is actually one of my favorites from both games.WTFOtherwise good points. Never thought how it really was a combat first atmosphere second game. Explians why as the only DS2 fan why it rubbed me so wrong.
>>743312019its really good and most of the bitching is from people who find it too hard, yeah its a hard game but not like impossible or even exceptional hard compared to other games.
>>743316451>i fought a boss and my reward was 50 shards.this literally never happens btw
>>743317306>it isn't challenging to master at all.post your p5 all bindings then faggot
I don't like this game mostly because it's so dialogue heavy. It should've just been like the first game. The occasional dialogue sequence with emphasis on gameplay. Less is more in this particular scenario. I could care less about it being 'difficult.' In fact, games being hard is usually a good thing because it gives you the incentive to get good and beat the game. Which is rewarding in its all right. People who complain about difficulty are so strange to me.
>>743317524Not really. They made some economy purchase related things slightly cheaper and they "nerfed" the two easiest bosses in the game which had received no complaints or requests for nerfs by the "players" (casual subhumans, secondaries and shitters who cheesed Hollow Knight). They practically ignored all the cries and demands for nerfs to the bosses and sections that were and still are to this day actively filtering the subhumans out.Team Cherry earned my respect, they are true artists who stick with their creative vision, unlike FromSoftware which showed its true nature with how they panic nerfed multiple elements of Elden DOGSHIT Ring and made it even more casual than it was on release.
>>743312019the biggest flaw this game has is having trust in the IQ of gamers and making hunters march accessable from the start thinking that gamers after dying three times will start exploring to find other routes.. of course not, gamers are retarded lmao
>>743318268They halved almost all environmental damage in the game.
>>743317058Are you retarded or are you mentally ill?
>>743318062>All these out of touch gamers who think they are good got a reality check and that is what pisses them off. They will seethe about contact damage or bad game design because they are incapable of learningTrue.
>>743317973>No uDidn't read the rest. Only turd worlders use the term projection. The fact you are retarded enough to think your insults are true but everyone else's are projection is the kind of delusion that explains why women dont fuck you. Have fun living in your fantasy world loser, lol.>T. Projecting projecting projection. U GOT ME KNOW!
>>743318392You dont sound very happy : (Maybe being a tranny game champion isn't all its cracked up to be huh?
>>743317973>Double damage double damage double damage double damage double damageBruh. Your heal is like several times better than your heal in Hollow Knight. Not just twice as good, but several times better. If you didn't take more damage to compensate for that, it'd just be clown city bab tier shit. Besides. People really exaggerate the double damage thing even then. Plenty of stuff still does just 1 mask of damage. Even in act 3.
>>743318124>When in reality, most HK fans probably liked SS a lot but it just didn't hit the same.Delusional retard. The vast majority of HK fans rate SS much higher than HK, as can be seen in the reviews and score. It is a 5%-10% percentage of newcomers, tourists and shitters who cheesed HK who claim that "SS just didn't hit the same".It always comes down to both Skill issue and IQ issue, pathetic biased little humans and their fragile ego.
Not a single track in SS hits even remotely closehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWquuWkHVP4&list=RDfWquuWkHVP4&start_radio=1
>>743318268this whole post and reddit image whining about elden ring is just retardation>NOOOO I CANT BELIEVE DEVS MAKE DIFFERENT GAMES FOR DIFFERENT APPEALS!!like, nigger they just made a game where the major bosses have a 30-40 minute long runback.
>>743318635The fact that you're seething instantly and immediately resorting to ad homs and "skill issue" does nothing but prove my point.
>>743312019Act 3 was hot garbageAct 2 was worth the waitAct 1 is a normie filter
>>743318257Are you genuinely mentally ill? Your post literally agrees with the post you are trying to argue with, by resorting to Embrace the Void.
>>743318268>Elden ring is casual because uhhh le runback is le gone!!Okay so let me see if i got this right. You think braindead rollslop DS3 boss is based because you need to walk back to their arena after you die. You think boss with frame traps and roll-catches and lingering explosions is le bad because you dont need to walk after you die
>>743318383>almost allNot true, just some.
>>743312019It's a DLC turned into a full game. That never ends up well.
>>743318737I never bothered with act 3 because i refused to do the ubisoft fetch quests you have to do in order to access it and i‘m glad i didn‘t miss out on anything
>>743318651Don't talk about things you don't understand. The music between the two games is different because Hollow Knight draws more on piano and it was an artistic choice by Larkin to use strings for Silksong. Hunter's March, Greymoor, Shellwood are all amazing tracks.
>>743318816>Not true, just some.If you look at the number of environmental damage sources. Maybe? But if you look at how widely they're actually implemented in the game? They nerfed almost all of it. Lava wasn't nerfed. But lava is only in a couple of regions in the entire game. Doubly so for electricity.
>>743318651Silksong's music is incredibly forgettable. The only ones that stuck with me are Cogwork Core's and Karmelita's
>>743318442>The fact you are retarded enough to think your insults are trueI didn't insult you. I refuted your false claims and exposed your cluelessness, instead of accepting it, learning, improving and moving on, you lash out with actual insults and denial.Very low IQ behavior, most likely brown skin and an actual third worlder, once again projecting.
OG HK had a (mostly) harmonic relationship between mechanics, map design, customization and enemies. This resulted in a good flow which translated to an enjoyable experience for most who played the game.Thus, it is remembered fondly.In SS, way too many dev choices are questionable. Mechanics, map design, customization options and enemy design and encounters often conflicts with eachother. At the very least, the overall character movement is a big step up, but given the listed issues, its an overall downgrade from the original. Thus, it is forgotten.
>>743319086It's forgettable to you because it doesn't rely heavily on melodies or jingles.
>>743319130No u
>>743318725Telling you the truth doesn't mean I am seething. It is both a Skill issue and an IQ issue. Your ego is fragile, little human.
>>743318884I don't need to understand the artistic choices behind something if those choices result in an objectively worse outcome.Also, rope yourself for pretending like looking at wikipedia articles somehow elevates your right to conversate about something, stupid ass nigger
>>743315341Pretty much this but unironically, let's be real here, the original Hollow Knight was just average at best and mediocre and tedious at worst, made that way to catch in on the worst aspects of SOULS LIKE type of games, because they felt for the hollow (no pun intended) hallucination that SotN was "not that good of the game because too le heking easy or something"
>>743319014I see your point, it is a significant amount, but saying almost all is still too radical for me.
>>743312019>You know what Hollow Knight was missing? Tedious fetch quests. And let's make them mandatory to finish the game.
>>743318553I'll take that as a yes on both counts
>>743319260You're a pleb with pleb opinions. Keep talking like a monkey, monkey boy.
>>743319239Tranny responce, this Anon cant breed!
>>743319239Maybe when you get out of your teens you will realize that spewing insults is not a sign of a confident ego.
>>743318884Smart anon, I like you.
I'm nooticing this autist who comes into every SS thread and has a meltdown every single time someone criticizes it
>>743319332Projection much
>>743319358I am in my 30s.
>>743319430"autist"
>>743318748it is a perfect counterpoint>pretentious baby whining about shit that doesnt matter and doesnt improve the game at all>while they arent even able to provide the ONE thing in the game that forces you to be actually good at it
>>743316701If you really think that all those near 7 years it took for Silksong to release were actually spent in development time you are a fucking gullible idiot, newsflash, 95% of the time, these long tedious yeargaps happen because, you wanna know the truth? I'll tell you.They just don't do dick, they literally spend and waste the money and budget into hookers and blow and coke and only when it's at a 4th of timeline deadline they go, "oh yeah we were supposed to make a game don't we", and then development crunch happens and fuck over the few good people who just wanted to work on the game, AND IT ALWAYS SHOWS, people are just scummy and lazy
>>743312019this was a bad right
>>743319430Some people can't handle when someone else says that something they did with great difficulty was easy and boring for them.
>>743312019Silksong is a great game. Not as great as Hollow Knight, but good enough for a consumer to blindly pay for anything Team Cherry releases in the next five years. Team Cherry and Owlcat are developers that /v/ oughta support.
>Well written and thought out posts about the shortcomings of the game>Counterpoint: You're a fucking idiotic retarded nigger I hate you you have no skill you're fucking stupid and-No wonder nobody talks about this shit anymore.
>>743319682No, and Owlcats problem is they make great games 3 years after it releases. The system works but not sure what to do with that?
I don't like the cartoony newgrounds style graphics. Boughted Blasphemous 2 instead
>>743319743just because its well written and thought out that doesnt mean it isnt completely stupid>what do you mean by save copies? there is no need to because you can just (example of doing something even dumber and downgrading of the game)>it takes no skill to get steel soul therefore it doesnt matter>this game takes no skill to master because of my own stupid flawed definitionyes, no shit people will call that retardedThere are 9000 reasons to praise silksong's difficulty and you have missed all of them somehow
Says it all.
>>743320237???I don't think that anon was refering to that one response.
>>743316451>I went one specific path and didn't get the reward I wanted>Zero rewards for explorationSo you're admitting that to having no actual substance to claiming the game is bad?
>>743320331That was my first post reading this thread but I refuse to reply to that guy because he is obviously mentally unwell
>>743319523He already mentioned embrace takes skill, I must conclude that you are retarded.
>>743320332>"You have to remember everything from a forgettable game otherwise it was a flawless masterpiece"Wow, got him there.
>read for years and years people complaining that games are too handholding, on rails, play themselves etc>demonize yellow paint as some sort of gamer genocide>Silksong comes out>unimaginable butthurt everywhere including on /v/ about how the game is impossible, unfair, poorly balanced>the game is actually easy but it doesn't hold your hand through what to do in every situation and what you need to use to winThis game really proved why yellow paint is a necessity and why games being dumbed down is the fault of the players.
>>743320437>I AM SILLY
>>743320332He wants a treat for every action like a dog or something. Never mind that despite all the charm combinations in Hollow Knight that are "superior" most builds fall on the same charms anyway. The guy who says the music isn't memorable has the same mindset where he wants a McDonalds jingle that is easy to remember. These are not people with depth.
>>743320237That anon isn't me, you still haven't answered me nor refuted my point. Steel Soul/Heart are easy, because there is no risk of failure, the game allows you to quit and retry at any point when you are in a potentially dangerous/death scenario.Embrace the Void is the only achievement that takes skill in Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight is an easy game.
>>743320463>Make a game too handholdy>"What the fuck it's too easy!">Make a game too unfair>"What the fuck it's too hard!"Why is making games with a clever way to adjust difficulty that doesn't require to either select from an arbitrary difficulty setting or rely on broken items never an option?
>>743320581So is Dark Souls but that didn't stop millions of people who only played Skyrim and Angry Birds from heralding it at some kind of masochistic peak of gamer skill.The truth is that 99.99% of people who even play video games in the first place (i.e. a lot of people on /v/ as well) are beyond horrible at video games and struggle even with simple instructions.
>>743312019It's thoroughly mediocre. Team Cherry took everything good and special about the first game and turned it generic.
>>743320463>It's too much like Hollow Knight!>It's not enough like Hollow Knight!I don't know why people even have to compare everything instead of looking at a medium standalone.
>>743320673>If I struggle with a game it's unfairThat's the actual problem you're trying to mask.
>>743320535>Doesn't remember past 2 reply chainsEither you have althzheimer or I/that other anon can induce memory loss
>>743320297Why did you try to hide the all time peak numbers? Is it because it shows that Silksong mogged Hollow Knight and you are a filtered low IQ subhuman disingenuous brown skinned third worlder with a fragile little ego? I think so.
>>743320782This might blow your mind but Anonymous isn't not a single person and >>743320332 was my only post. You're hallucinating arguments I never made.
I WISH MORE OF MY BONES WERE BROKEN
>>743320779Have you ever played a difficult game and when you lost you thought it was your fault, and then played another that despite being easier every death felt like the game threw a curved ball at you?Or are you suggesting that games can do no wrong and are all perfectly designed and the problem lies always with the players?
>>743320779Regardless of the fact you think spamming strawman arguments means anything, the fact that you think difficulty = good really goes to show how completely delusional you are.
Difficulty and boss fights were perfect. The Metroidvania rest of the entire game was the part that sucked.
>>743320848I think you're getting confused anon?Read that again.
>>743320891>Have you ever played a difficult game and when you lost you thought it was your fault, and then played another that despite being easier every death felt like the game threw a curved ball at you?I have. But Silksong is very much the former. A fair game.
>>743320710Dark Souls doesn't have any achievement that requires skill, Hollow Knight at least has Embrace the Void. As for the reputation of Dark Souls, Dark Souls came at the right time and saved gaming from absolute and total casualization, despite not being a hard game, Dark Souls is a game with consequences for actions, it is a well designed game and will always remain a legend.
>>743320824I don't think this is helping your argument here.Hollow knight current players are 1/10th of the all-time high after 10 years.Silksong current players are 1/75th of the all-time high after 1 year.
>it's good because it's hard>it's bad because it's hardmassive red flag if difficulty is the thing people discuss the most about your game
I have not seen a single good argument to why hollow knight is supposedly better than Silksong that doesn't read as thinly veiled bitching about Silksong being too hard.
It insists uppon itself.
>>743315197Because of how punishing each loss is. Repeating an easy arena before a boss isn't hard, it's tedious. Getting more shards for more tools isn't hard, it's tedious.
>>743320891>Or are you suggesting that games can do no wrong and are all perfectly designed and the problem lies always with the players?No but I'm in a thread about Silksong so try thinking about what that would imply.> the fact that you think difficulty = good really goes to show how completely delusional you are.I never claimed nor implied that so ironically you are making up a strawman to avoid what I have actually posted.
>>743320972I hope you're not misreading "my only post" as literally "my only post in this thread" and not "my first post in that chain" because needing to spoonfeed that to you would be really embarrassing for you.
>>743321278mean to quote >>743320893
>>743321072You should learn to describe things in less dramatic or overgeneralized ways. There are many aspects of games like Dark Souls that you can pick apart individually and say worked well or not. The remaster for Dark Souls hurts it as a product all around. They had an opportunity to redo unfinished content like Lost Izalith in a remake and squandered it. Take a step back and look at how egregious some of the enemy placements are just copy/paste. Dark Souls is a great game, but the legend part is just what you are assigning in your head - which is valid and cool but not universal.
>>743321136So? What is the point you are trying to make?
>>743321365I see you didn't understand.And I don't think you want to for some invisigble "gotcha" enjoy the karma points i guess.
>>743321272>Because of how punishing each loss isAre you spending up to your limit on each attempt? Seems like a problem in how you approach the game.
>act 1 is linear as fuck>act 2 is unfocused and too big for its own good, with a ton of boring filler everywhere like a myriad of samey Citadel rooms>act 3 is a travestyHonestly i remember HK having some pacing issues in the beginning but Silksong was just offensively boringThey also had a bright idea of selling a ton of charms instead of letting you find them in the world or win them from bossesShell shards also sucked ass, bloodborne's quicksilver bullets were despised by basically everyone, i wonder why they decided to use the same terrible concept.
>>743321497>invisigbleYou're clearly starting to lose your temper so I guess we'll stop here before you blow a gasket over some 4chan posts.
>>743321232silksong plays better but is also much harder to the point its at least for me not as enjoyable
>>743321525I'm not sure how filler works in this context unless you don't enjoy the main gameplay to begin with. It's not a movie.
>>743321424That the original has more retaining power than the sequel be it a better game or not.
Now the dust has settled, we can finally agree that OP has shit taste.
>>743316874This.What's the point of getting so many tools and weapons you cannot use freely? Having to grind just to use the loot you just grinded to get is an awful mechanic.
>>743321417>The remaster for Dark Souls hurts it as a product all around.True gamers don't own nor play Shitmastered, that is an abomination made by the polish subhumans of QLOC. Only tourists, tertiaries and casuals experience the abomination that is the shitmastered.Those who were worthy experienced Prepare To Die and those who are new and smart will get their hands on Prepare To Die.FromSoftware not offering proper PC products from a technical point of view was an issue all the way up to Dark Souls 3.Sekiro and Elden DOGSHIT Ring are okay.I would buy proper remasters of DaS:PTDE, DaS2 and DaS3 done by FromSoftware themselves.>They had an opportunity to redo unfinished content like Lost Izalith in a remake and squandered it.Remakes are for retards like you, no thanks. This is Dark Souls, Lost Izalith is enjoyable, even in its rushed state.>Dark Souls is a great game, but the legend part is just what you are assigning in your head - which is valid and cool but not universal.Wrong. Dark Souls is a legend and a century defining game, it altered the course of the gaming industry forever and for the better.
>>743321573Projecting much?You'd be a great cartoonist.
>>743316939The Hunter Crest (normal one) and the Beast Crest have an useful i-frames mechanic after pogoing off an enemy, which means you can down-attack and he will fly pass you while getting damaged.
>>743319315>It's not what you said, but how you said it. So you might be right, but you're not right.
>>743321652That is just an assumption. You don't know how many players of HK are people who are interested in SS, but want to experience the franchise from the start.
>>743321035I like silksong but this is just retarded come on.
Silksong isn't a bad game because muh difficulty. It's just boring you stupid faggots.
>>743321792No, it is not how you said it, it is what you said. "almost all" has a different meaning to "signifcant amount".
>>743321035>>743321859i think silksong is very fair in exploration and very unfair in bossfights because of accidental contact damage in 9999 different waysits very hard to come from mastering Hollow KNight 1 to playing silksong unless you hold back a little. Youre taught to constantly hammer the enemies and you know theres a clear windup before they just walk or fly into you. In silksong they will constantly do it by accident>boss works fine in one arena>they literally copypaste it in another arena without changing its AI>now the slightly different room size makes the enemy able to accidentally move inside of you at unreactable speeds if you have been spamming hits right besides themjust fuck my shit up
>>743321796True, but yours is also an assumption, so what do the larger ammount of peak players of >>743320824 even mean at this point?
>>743321748>Sekiro and Elden DOGSHIT Ring are okayAlso, Armored Core VI is the first actually good PC product by FromSoftware from a technical point of view, it has both native 120FPS support and ultrawide support.
>>743321996It means that SS mogged HK.
>>743321748>Low-IQ monkey talk with insultsI can smell the sweat coming off all that dribble. You don't seem to even understand where I am agreeing with you because you are too fixated on projecting your experience as the only true experience of the world.The fact you refer to P5 as something that takes skill is the giveaway anyway to what kind of monkey brain mindeset you have.
>>743312019I judge games on charm and grace and silksong is 10/10
>>743322053Ok how?If you say more sales then it lost all the players and got outed by the shitter game it was.If they had the same sales and the peak was due to the players wanting to play it after Hollow Knight doesn't that mean Hollow Knight still mogged it since it retained more players in percentage?
>>743320824Because all time peak doesn't mean shit when it is an overhyped sequel to a beloved game, but can't maintain those numbers, and in fact those numbers fall below the originals. The all time peak only matter if you want to talk about economic success, not lasting customer appeal and cultural impact.To use movie examples, Titanic and Avatar are listed as some of the highest earning movies of all time. Titanic was literally in the weeks months longer than originally planned with lines of teenage girls having lines that required them to wait through multiple showings. Neither of those movies mean shit today, and have less cultural appeal and impact than Die Hard, or Ace Ventura.
>>743321525>>act 1 is linear as fuckThere are two paths into the citadel, and multiple paths towards each of the two paths. Like sure it's not the most open ended experience ever. You're still funnelled towards the citadel. But calling it "linear as fuck" is kind of disingenuous. And yes the game opens up a lot in Act2, but apparently you're no fan of that either.
>>743321234Still unrefuted, love to see it.
>>743312184>"It doesn't suck, but it sucks!"
We should really get tripcodes like /pol/, this threads reeks of samefagging.
>>743321958>unreactable speeds if you have been spamming hits right besides themWhat's funny too is that people said (and continue to say) the same thing about HK.
>>743319239You type exactly like Fatrick Tomlinson.
>>743322447HK bosses had either a very "your turn, my turn" thing going for it, silksong bosses and even enemies feel like they are constantly moonwalking around the place while doing stuff on theyr own rythm that doesn't include the player.
>>743319239>Your ego is fragile, little human
>>743312019I don't think it sucked. It was just... too much? Too much grindingToo much backtrackingToo much "le-gotcha moment" (enemies, traps, gauntlets, runbacks)Too much random loot you can't really useAll the while not being really any interesting or rewarding. Imagine getting stuck on a boss just to finally beat it and your reward is just getting access to an area more annoying than the last.
>>743320824>Why did you try to hide the all time peak numbers?I didn't try to hide it because literally everybody knew that already lmao. You posting it is actually hilarious, because all it does it say>HK generated an insane amount of hype for SS>And despite that HK still has more players long after the fact
>>743322136>I can smell the sweat coming off all that dribble.Take a shower fatty and stop eating so much.>You don't seem to even understand where I am agreeing with youI don't care if you agree with me or not, I am right, I don't need your agreement.>because you are too fixated on projecting your experience as the only true experience of the world.It isn't my experience, it simply is the truth. Show me one thing that I have said in that post that isn't true, you can't.>The fact you refer to P5 as something that takes skill is the giveaway anyway to what kind of monkey brain mindeset you have.Embrace the Void is the only achievement that takes skill in Hollow Knight, there is a clear risk of failure and a certain performance and skill level must be delivered in real time to succeed. This isn't the case with any other HK achievement or any achievement in Dark Souls.These are all facts, nothing you can say or do changes them. Now, you fail to comprehend relativity. Is Emrace the Void that demanding or hard? It all depends what you compare it to.
>>743322195>If you say more sales then it lost all the players and got outed by the shitter game it was.It is a single-player game, not a live-service game, your argument makes no sense. People played it, enjoyed it and moved on.>If they had the same salesI don't know the same numbers, if you do, provide sources.>and the peak was due to the players wanting to play it after Hollow Knight doesn't that mean Hollow Knight still mogged it since it retained more players in percentage?That certainly is a possibility, HK partially created the interest for SS.
>>743321525>Act 1 is linearYou have multiple ways into the Citadel, multiple ways into Deep Docks, multiple ways into Shellwood & Greymoor>They also had a bright idea of selling a ton of charms instead of letting you find them in the world or win them from bossesHollow Knight has 17 purchasable tools, Silksong has 16. Both games have roughly the same amount of shitty/filler equipables you will never use, you are just cherry-picking.
>>743322206>Because all time peak doesn't mean shit when it is an overhyped sequel to a beloved gameThis is cope. SS wasn't overhyped. Tons of sequels to beloved games come out and underfperform. SS with Hornet as the playable character and the expanded combat and movement systems were massive draws from the first footage of SS that was shown.>but can't maintain those numbersLow IQ reasoning. It is a single-player game, not a live-service game, your argument makes no sense. People played it, enjoyed it and moved on.>and in fact those numbers fall below the originals.Another low IQ take. You don't know how many of the current players of HK are playing HK to experience the franchise from the start because they are interested in SS. But with SS, we know that 100% of the players currently playing it are playing it for SS.Your ego is fragile, little human, learn from those smarter than you.
>>743322447HK has some silly cases but 99% of the time its reactable and learnablein silksong its straight up unlearnable without trial and error at times>>743322596HK bosses didnt have a "your turn my turn" thing, you can hammer them 24/7 and attack them 24/7. If anything its silksong enemies that feel like they want you taking turnsI think its good if videogame bosses dont inherently care/match the player's rhythm and youre forced to actually work for your openings
>>743317774Only good post in this thread.
>>743322504>Fatrick TomlinsonLooked him up, some e-drama shit, don't care.
>>743322749>>HK generated an insane amount of hype for SS>>And despite that HK still has more players long after the factBoth low IQ subhuman reasoning which I refuted twice already, read:>>743322928>>743323153
>>743322804Dark Souls level design, Lost Izalith being is a prime example but legendary according to the sweaty hands that typed this, of a room with an enemy that stands in place or walks in a scripted path. You aggro it or trigger its view and you clear out rooms one by one. >Legend game design
>>743323175No, I meant that it felt like THEY had their big attack moment where you had to watch out and then you had your damage window moment to wail on them as they repositioned.While silksong seem they're on crack and keep atacking 24/7 with a semi-random pattern.Even Grim for example, a boss that many say it's the hardest has very clear "ok, now i'm jumping down and then dashing to the side of the screenso you can pogo jump on me" kind of attacks that even if he chained them it still provided for you a way to attack him, the bosses that most reminded me of this original HK formula in Silksong were the mechanical dancers.
>>743323296Truth remains, HK is currently mogging Silksong.You had your troon game at the top for a few months but that's about it little niggy.
>>743319164HK had the luck of not having to live up to any expectation so they focused on making a game enjoyable at first and then adding harder and harder stuff only on side areas you're never really meant to go but exist purely for the people who didn't have enough and wanted more.Imagine if path of pain was mandatory, or if you had to clear arenas with bindings before you could open a door to the next area, people would've hated it.
>>743323296Literally your only point>It's a single player, non live service gameAlso applies to HK and yet HK still has more players. The only person breathing through their mouth and struggling to fight back the cromagnon genes is your retarded ass. Stop posting, you're fucking embarrassing yourself.
>>743323552Repeating points which I already refuted only shows your incapability and denial.SS mogged HK.
>>743316939If you didn't solo moorwing pre-nerf, you didn't beat the game.
>>743323552Give SS a Pantheon challenge and get back to us on that
>>743317481Don't remember much about the game, but isn't the thread image an example of it?You can run past it but if you fight you get just a little currency and that's it.
>>743323904>Also applies to HK and yet HK still has more players.Low IQ reasoning which I already refuted, read:>>743323296
>>743323904>Stop posting, you're fucking embarrassing yourself.Why would I stop posting when I am right and have refuted everything you losers and casuals have said?Your ego is fragile, little human.
>>743324206No, you didn't refute it, you fabricated a scenario in your mind to justify an argument against a factual presentation.It's not a refutation, because you're a mouth breathing cromagnon, oxygen thieving waste of physical and liminal space.It is a foolish delusion, also known as a false hypothetical, because you don't actually HAVE an argument. You're just a seething retard spam replying about a game you feel compelled to defend like your life depends on it because you've associated so much of your own identity to the game that it makes your blood pressure shoot up when people talk bad about it.Tl;dr, you're a fucking retarded nigger who has changed nobodies mind over the past 3 hours yet continues to shit up what was potentially a decent thread about this game you're too emotionally attached toStupid fucking nigger.
>>743318268Why do these difficulty trannies love runbacks so much?>Having to spend 3-5+ minutes walking back to the boss makes it better!!!Is this really how their retarded minds work?
>>743312019If it really shitted and flopped and was forgotten, you wouldn't need to make daily group therapy threads trying to convince yourself of it. Just sayin'.Yes I know this is a stealth Silksong discussion thread and the OP is just bait to keep the thread bumped with seething replies. This ain't my first rodeo.
It's the best metroidvania.
>THIS GAME IS BAD BECAUSE I GOT FILTEREDGit gud.
>>743318268Thank you for posting with /dbs/ syntax that way everyone knows they don't even have to read your retarded post
At least the story felt DLC sized compared to HK, but then again I never played it before all the DLCs were added so I dont know how barebones it was at launch.
>>743318268Literally fake contrarian bullshit you DO NOT BELIEVE!you sound like when ReviewtechUSA was defending any stupid algorithmic censorship YouTube was doing and then he got fucked over by the same thing later, fucking stupid asses, both of you.
>>743324572I see this thread every day and yes it's bait. It's from the guy with the the vocabulary range of a nigger who is calling other people niggers.
>>743312019It was very disappointing and uninteresting to me. Felt bloated and the MMO style "farm mobs and collect 20 bug scrotums" quests were a fucking retarded inclusion. The difficulty drones will just say you got filtered if you have any critiques of it even if you beat the game and got all the achievements like I did.
>>743324865>seven thousandth "I totally have a list of criticisms but I can't post them because it won't matter anyway">"but I definitely could"Imagine getting bullied out of video game discussion
>>743324865So what are the criticisms besides difficulty? Yes it's a mid game, so is Hollow Knight.
>>743324553Yes. If you've got nothing going on in your life tedium that filters normies gives you a sence of accomplishment.
>>743325146>>743325241I never said I had a list of criticisms I wanted to post or that the difficulty was a problem. I also pointed out 2 specific things I didn't like. You're both illiterate niggers.
>>743325416Oh it's you again, just replying to yourself and samefagging to keep your daily thread going.
>>743325480Cope, seethe, dilate, etc.
>>743325416>I also pointed out 2 specific things I didn't like.>Felt bloatedWow, very specific. A masterclass in video game critique. The game was so boring an uninteresting you played through multiple times to get all achievements. >farm mobs and collect 20 bug scrotumsThere are 10 hunt wishes in the game. I never had to "grind" any of them I just finished them through normal playthrough. If you are grinding for rosaries, shards, or items it's because your monkey brain wants something and wants it immediately. Don't fault the game for your own mental illness.
>>743324420Lmao at this seethe. If you can't comprehend the following:1. HK current players might be interested in SS, that is why they play HK to experience the franchise from the start, therefore HK current player count isn't telling decisively meaningful information.2. SS current players are all 100% interested in SS.Then you have a very low IQ and your emotional response says more than enough. Your ego is extremely fragile, little human.
>>743322729Well said. My feelings are similar.
>>743324553>>743325281You casual shitters never belonged and never ever will belong. Good players must be rewarded, bad players must be punished. Runbacks are one of the best game design choices ever made, because it both punishes the failure of a bad player, gives a relatively short time for the brain to adjust to what just happened (if you are not a low IQ emotional subhuman casual shitter) and ponder on what to differently the next attempt.You claim tedium, you claim waste of time, yet here you are shitposting /v/ and seething at higher IQ people like me, you were born losers and you will remain losers, because your ego and pride prevents you from learning from those who are smarter than you.Little humans, your egos are very fragile.
>>743325760>The game was so boring an uninteresting you played through multiple times to get all achievements.Yes, I fully experienced everything it had to offer before forming an opinion. Is this a bad thing somehow?>There are 10 hunt wishes in the game.>"T-there's only 10 dogshit MMO quests! Just ignore the parts where you have to return to previously explored, empty areas and run back and forth between screens until the enemies drop all the items you need!"You people are beyond retarded.
>>743326047>higher IQ people like meAnyone who has to say they have a high IQ doesn't have a high IQ. Other people are the judge of that. You have repeated your "Little humans, your egos are very fragile." line like 100 times in this thread which rather points to you have a mental illness, your brain spinning like a broken record player, and a lack of vocabulary.
>>743317774Genuinely this. The atmosphere is definitely HK's strongest point. Stepping into Greenpath for the first time after the bleakness of Dirthmouth is such a tone change that it sets up the entire rest of the game as something magical. >SS's zones are way too big making any kind of 2nd playthrough or general exploration/secret finding tedious.I did end up finishing the game 100% (minus speedruns), but all throughout the second half of the game I was pretty much thinking "I better do this thing now because I never want to do this zone ever again"Ultimately I enjoyed the game, and I'm looking forward to the DLC, but it didn't hit quite like HK did in its time.
>>743312019let's be real, hollow knight was a 5/10 too
>>743326228>Anyone who has to say they have a high IQ doesn't have a high IQ.Should I believe a seething low IQ loser on /v/ or the mensa certified test that placed me in the top 0.4% of the world population?>You have repeated your "Little humans, your egos are very fragile." line like 100 times in this thread which rather points to you have a mental illness, your brain spinning like a broken record player, and a lack of vocabulary.The truth makes you seethe, I love it and will repeat it, your ego is fragile, little human.
>>743312019Anbsolutely. This is the worst disappointment of the decade.This game completely destroyed any interest I had on the series.
>>743326486Can you definitively solve this with your super duper high IQ? Pretty please?
Can't wait to see you faggots seethe when the DLC is out and threads are hitting 500+ replies an hour again
>>743326395Hollow Knight was 9/10 and Silksong is 10/10
>>743326486It's easy to say things when you are talking about yourself. You are low IQ and spending equal participation time here. Great use of that brain power, champ.
>>743326486>I am smart
>>743321525>act 3 is a travestyWhy do people even say this? Act 3 is fine.
So now that we've all admitted that Silksong doesn't suck, ACK-CHUALLY... It's time to discuss music. I think the music in Silksong is underrated, possibly because it's one of the few ways Hollow Knight outclasses it (there is no comparable "City of Tears" moment in Silksong, even if there are many standouts). I'll get us started.https://youtu.be/-xo_ZAUVtkQWidow is one of the best fights, and her theme is no different. Suitable for a string-themed encounter, you can really hear the violinists and cellists sawing on that thing. It really heightens the tension of an already stressful fight. Also, that key change after the death fakeout is just *chef's kiss*. Beautiful, thematic, lovely. 10/10.
>>743327196From what I have garnered, mostly because they don't like abyss enemies, i.e. I got used to all my nail upgrades making the enemies easier and I expected the same in the end game.
>>743326615Good riddance, this franchise is for True Gamers, not casuals, tourists and shitters who cheesed HK.
>>743326905I am laughing and enjoying myself, I am not seething like all these losers who got filtered by SS. Time well spent for me.
>>74332719690% of it is going through the same old areas and the abyss is just as boring and empty as it was in the first game.
>>743312019I like the game overall but absolutely hated:>Run backs to bosses. Even souls games stopped doing this>No power ups for killing bosses>Damage upgrades are extremely stingy with some gated behind absolutely cancerous mini games>Compass still takes up a tool slot (I modded that out fuck you team cherry)>Damage sponge bosses
>>743327504At least Abyss in 1 was atmospheric as fuck with Giger like imagery. Abyss in silksong is literally gray nothingness.
>>743321634By "filler" i mean space not occupied by unique content and giving no interesting rewards. No, a bundle of shell shards on top of a pit at the dead end is not an interesting content and the game is fucking choke FULL of it.
>>743327852>I hate playing the game itself and just want to see the game completed % go upYou could just not play if you need a carrot in your face just to engage in the combat and traversal.
>>743327637>No power ups for killing bossesHell forget about power ups, neither bosses nor gauntlets give normal monetary rewards either. It's especially pathetic with shell shards.Like, even bloodborne which introduced this retarded system at least gave soul currency for bosses.
>>743312019Its one of the few Sequels that does everything better. Not even gonna say you're "le filtered git gud" you just have bad taste. HK is a 9/10, SS is a 10, HK has one thing over SS, its more somber. Which in the end is just a preference>>743317774>too big this is a retarded complaint because the game gives you so many tools to just zoom thru every area, the only thing preventing that is literal skill issue>areas not as memorable HKfags are so retarded, on an area to area basis SS clears the OG out the water, the entirety of the chapel clears everything from the original, SS also has a far more diverse color palette in its areas, and the NPCS are way better, the only definitive downgrade is the travel companion, and even then its not even a bad alternative all HK has over SS is being more somber in its OST, everything else is literally worse
>>743327919The entirety of metroidvania as a genre is built around carrot on a stick, literally the entire point is to be excited about the possibility of new cool upgrades and Silksong fails this pathetically. No, i don't enjoy samey Citadel rooms with the same enemies spammed over and over and over again and nothing interesting in sight.
>>743327637>Even souls games stopped doing thisElden DOGSHIT Ring is not a souls game.
>>743327637>>Damage upgrades are extremely stingy with some gated behind absolutely cancerous mini gamesGood, can't cheese the game with your overpowered spells and shaman stone anymore, get rekt.
>>743328040>on an area to area basis SS clears the OG out the waterYou have such a ridiculously shit taste it physically hurts to read your post. There's NOTHING even remotely approaching City of Tears in Silksong. Waterways blow any underground area in SS the fuck out atmosphere wise. It has nothing resembling queen's gardens, its own abyss fails to be 1/10 as memorable as the original and the citadel plain fucking sucks, it's literally an inferior Mother of Mothers from the first Blasphemous.
>>743327637>>Compass still takes up a tool slot (I modded that out fuck you team cherry)Low IQ loser.
>>743328285Silksong has way more cheese in it than the original HK. You can literally kill bosses by barely even hitting them. Literally grind2win because of shell shards.
>>743328040Excellent taste.
Didn't they announce a free update like 8 months ago?Whatever happened to that?
>>743325819You're absolutely right. Most people cannot comprehend when someone like you says utterly retarded nonsense. Thanks for pointing that out, utter retard.
>>743328343>Literally grind2winSkill issue, GitGud.
>>743327305For me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hM_Hp37By0
>>743328438A rat will never comprehend the perspective of an eagle.
>>743328040>You're supposed to just blow through every area>But uh the zones are soooo much betterYou retards couldn't debate a 4th grader lmao
>>743328439What "skill issue", moron? I'm literally saying you can bruteforce the game and blow it the fuck out in ways you couldn't in the original
>>743328526Thanks for proving my point.
>>743328298>le city of tears i love a level with rain and straight lines! >Citadel>greymoor>the marrow all better, all you have is your gay little piano >waterways shit taste, bilewater> >schizobabble cope, nigga said "its own abyss fails cuz uh I SAID SO" Nothing in HK is as kino as the Lace fights, in both build up OST actual gameplay quality and story. But go ahead and gass up your mute bug exploring "le somber" areas
Hiding your tranny threadKeep your fetishes to yourself, really
>>743312019It's very hard not to admit that the game's forgettable. All those years and rewrites and yet it all amounted to a very boring and straightforward story that's a complete far cry to HK. It'll never be seen as something more than just a sequel to a great game while the years go by.
There has never been a criticism of this game other than "I died, it made me mad, and I didn't like that."I stopped playing in act 2 and even I'm not dumb enough to claim the game's bad. It's the best 2D sidescrolling action game ever made.
>>743328621>the retarded shitstain actually liked LaceOf course. How long have you been on HRT?
>>743328534You're not supposed to blow through areas you schizo retard, I said YOU COULD if it "feels too big" and every level has multiple exits on the larger screens of said zone, which makes exploration all the more organic since theres so many connections everywhere HKfags can't even read, i doubt they can even play a game
>>743328726>still seething because he got filtered by Laceheh
>>743328739It doesn't really matter what your intent was when what you wrote invalidates everything you're trying to say.But keep going maybe you'll hit a 5th grade debate level soon.
>>743327305I think my favourite boss theme is phantom. Someone on youtube mixed it properly with the mist theme preceding it.
>>743328378They're turning it into a brand new game
>>743328828kino
>>743328726>has shit taste kek expected >>743328662its on pace to outsell the original, has just as many current players and is a far more diverse game in every aspect, but yeah retard #20 i'm sure it'll be forgotten because you said so
>>743328778>filteredYour trans icon filters only people with good taste
I decided to check the SS subreddit. They use a gay flag and everyone in there is only posting about porn and lesbian relationships.Considering the SS defense force in here is nothing but seethe and meltdowns I can only assume anyone who cares about SS in current year is a bonafide tranny
>>743328229Not only is Elden Ring the best souls game, it's the best videogame
>>743327305https://youtube.com/watch?v=dsDlqPlZQkcSkarrsinger Karmelita is another highlight boss theme for me. Karmelita is a great fight (Act 3 has a number of enjoyable fights, this may be the best), challenging, and, like Lace, feels like a duel. It's very much react-and-counter, and less dodge-and-punish, so it feels very active.I like that this battle takes place on a stage with her ant subjects going crazy for her in the background. And a cool thing about the "operatic" part of the song is that it's actually diegetic; Karmelita stops singing when you stagger her, so we're meant to understand that she's singing while fighting us. The whole thing is a performance. Very cool.
>>743328806>what you write doesn't matter because I can't readNTA but I laughed reading your post, thanks
>>743312019It's a metroidvania that wants to be a linear action platformer. The design elements of the game are all conflicting with each other.
>>743328806What i said in response to "too big" doesn't invalidate anything, you trying to "gotcha" me shows how autistic you are debate your retardation nigger
>>743312019the lack of fast travels between benches really hurts the game
>>743312019Majority of the criticism toward this game being some hyper pretentious schizobabble about how "unique" the original was when it has every flaw SS supposedly has is very telling on how perfect of a sequel this was.
>>743328645Believe it or not but the trannys that now make up the entire fanbase of SS are completely convinced that the game's story is better than Hollow Knight's.
>>743328589You're welcome, rat.
>>743327305>possibly because it's one of the few ways Hollow Knight outclasses itIncorrect. Silksong's music is both better composed and has a much higher sound production quality. City of Tears aesthetically hits so hard because the art design is fantastic. You go from spending hours and hours in claustrophobic caves and then finally emerge into this huge beautiful city. Silksong actually kind of has the opposite direction, where you spend the first act of the game in areas which are (visually) open expanses and then most of the second act in one very large building.
>>743329056If the sequel's perfect then why's it already forgotten?
>>743328963Well when your response was completely irrelevant to proving a point I decided to do the same thing. Unfortunately you've regressed to a 3rd grade level since you're just flinging insults now on account of having no argument.
>>743328645The first HK's story was an unassuming but well done DS1 clone. Silksong story is obviously inspired by Blasphemous 1 and fails every single story beat starting with Lace who comes out an ungrateful, unlikeable twat i need to care about in the end for some reason, that bitch deserved getting gangbanged in the Abyss.
>>743328561And you are literally wrong. HK hands you overpowered spells and shaman stone with very little effort. Meanwhile in SS shitters have to grind to obtain a fraction of the cheese and power they received practically for free in HK, instead of just GettingGud, you spent all that time "grinding", lmao what a loser.
>>743327305I get a lot of Dark Souls 1 & 2 vibes in atmosphere. Greymoor is like Harvest Valley. One of the town themes also sounds like Majula. Some of the other background string tracks are very well done and remind me of Morrowind even.
>>743329189Literally nothing in HK comes even remotely close to cogflies, Plasmium overdose, hell a basic ass boomerang you can grab really fast absolutely shred shit and you can spam it into oblivion. And as long as you want to abuse the game systems you can rape SS wide open long before you get Architect and just shit on it entirely.
>>743324579>Muh codewords Literally the bullshit From Software loonies say to justify bad game design, git gud, how about GET REKD, when does the game gits gud ? >>743315341
>>743328726Imagine being filtered by Lace, how bad are you at gaming? just go play interactive movies at this point or just quit gaming in general.
Why did this game become so popular with the koreans ?
>>743329102HKs music isn't good because City of Tears. HKs is good because EVERY single fucking zone has memorable music that fits the aesthetic of the zone perfectly, but is ALSO incredibly good on top of thatGreenpath, Crystal Peak, Dirtmouth, the Arena, Moth fight, Mantis lords fight, etc etc etc.>Actually, Silksongs music is better because 90% of it is forgettable and boring until you hit Choralfucking lmfao.
>>743312019hollow knight oozed flow state spur of the moment inspiration and childlike wondersilksong tried to replicate but failed. many such cases. creativity is diffcult to maintain
>>743328920>Not only is Elden Ring the best souls game, it's the best videogame
Silksong secondaries are so fucking cringe it's unbelievable. Go back to your tranny subreddit.
>>743329140>If the sequel's perfect then why's it already forgotten?If it is forgotten, why are you seething about it in this thread?
>>743329281Or you could just GitGud and use your nail.
>>743329056>when it has every flaw SS supposedly hasI think the only person schizo babbling here is you.
>>743329379>memorable musicMemorable music is derived primarily from repeating melody lines, which is expected in Hollow Knight given the presence of mallet instruments and pianos. Silksong has more stringed instruments and bells. The Bellhart theme would be the closest example for that type of 1:1 comparison.
>>743329540>gets completely blown the fuck out when it's revealed how much of a shit fest SS is balance wise>j-just don't use it chudPathetic
>>743329674If music is forgettable, IE if it doesn't touch the soul in a meaningful way, then it is bad music. I don't really give a fuck about composition analysis beyond that.
>>743329379>le memorableOh I see, you're the kind of layman who thinks that the shitty jingles in ocarina of time are peak composition too, huh? Have you ever considered that you might just have a bad memory, and thus unable to remember anything of substance?
>>743329753You don't make music so you don't understand it. Sorry that the composer didn't make music suited for your short attention span taste. If you want a McDonalds jingle to make you feel good just play it in the background. The composer of this game is far more talented than you will ever be. If the music was in the same style people would be bitching about how it's the same. You're not a creative person though you're just an angry entitled consoooomer.
SilkSong lacks a city of tears moment or even dirthmount moment, and part of it is is the fact that hornet is visually bigger than hk, and also there's no instance of "dropping" into a huge new location, every location is accessed from below into a corridor, the sense of scale and grandeur that hk had is completely lost in ss map design, it may not seem important on paper but when I think back to my first playthrough, it really feels like every location in ss is the same corridor but with a reskin
Someone actually got impressed by the Citadel reveal and music?THIS is how you do a majestic city reveal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FKgp-qDNrI
>>743329787>>743329886>music is bad>Actually you dont understand the deep, intrinsic depth of the artist behind the music...>Its still bad>NOOOO FUCK YOUUUUUReally compelling "arguments" there, I guess braindead minds think alike
>>743329965It's not bad, you're just stupid, and gay
>>743312019I had high expectations and they were still met. Bravo TC, you bunch of spider fuckers
>>743329946Hornet's size has nothing to do with it. The game is just thematically worse. Anon above described it as a metroidvania that wants to be a linear action platformer and i think it's a very good way to pinpoint my issue with it too.
>>743329965Consume more faggot. You will never create anything beyond seething posts.
>SilkSecondary says something stupid>You push back with the slightest of touches>They completely breakdown and start insulting youReminder that a literal shit knight is more interesting than the entirety of silksong
>>743328920I think Elden Ring is possibly the worst video game.
>>743330015If it was good it would stand on it's own merits but it doesn't, hence why you're in here seething over it.>>743330036And you will never do anything beyond rush to the defense of mediocrity for something you have no stake in.
>>743329965the music isn't bad your taste is dogwater, your problem really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PVB6Okn73c>>743329946Bilewater and Underworks are nothing alike you sound retarded
>>743330132It does stand on its own merits. It's extremely popular and critically acclaimed. You're just a contrarian and a brainlet.
>>743330132You don't know that loser. Keep projecting because you don't have an argument. I have no substance to say on the topic than you do with your pleblike hurrr durr analysis
>>743329724SS is perfectly balanced.
>>743312019I strongly considered playing but I heard left right and center that it's overly demanding in difficulty, so I won't partake.
>>743330293It's better balanced that HK but a lot of charms, several of the crests, and most of the tools are just bad
>>743312019It doesn't suck but it feels like the devs didn't know what to do with it. They created a metroidvania with a much more acrobatic protagonist than the previous game and showed off her movement in the trailer but then you play the game and they're constantly locking you in gauntlet rooms or making you walk through narrow cramped corridors often in the dark.
>>743330417>a lot of charms, several of the crests, and most of the tools are just badSo just like Hollow Knight? Because Hollow Knight has no restriction on combinations but it's still a handful of charms that come out on top like Silksong. The amount of viable build variety isn't that different from the crest system from my point of view. I also criticized this initially but then I replayed Hollow Knight and realized I was remembering wrong.
>>743330185>It's extremely popular>Silksong has ~5x the players as HK>Silksong OSTs on youtube have millions of less viewsYeah for sure.
>>743330610No not just like hollow knight. In hollow knight, like 90% of the charms were complete dogshit. In hollow knight you do The Spell Build, The Nail Build, or some retarded meme strat that's just going to get you killed. Silksong's balance still isn't great, but it offers a lot more viable variety thank Hollow Knight.
>>743330730>>Silksong OSTs on youtube have millions of less viewsThe game that is one year old doesn't have the same amount of views/listens than the game that came out 9 years ago. Say it ain't so! Big brain moment
>>743330730Wow I can't believe a game that's 11 months old has less views on youtube than a game that's 9 years old.
>>743329248Bellhart?https://youtu.be/JkNbFtCd_DA>>743328520Bilewater is difficult to argue with. The constrast between the area's lore, its not particularly welcoming environment, plus its grueling challenge AND the somber yet peaceful, understated music is too good. >Hate for their light. Hate for their pins. For their waste poured thick and endless. Fill your hearts with hate, for power has now been claimed, and with it we shall punish.
>>743330610most charms in HK are pretty good, silksong has lots of abysmal toolsPeople overrate the "meta charms" in HK. I Agree that stuff like quick slash is unbalanced, but in reality, people would struggle way less with the pantheons if they tried using some crutchy charms here and there.Ultimately, being good enough to want nothing except strength, shaman stone, quick slash, etc, automatically means youre good enough to beat P5 charmless to begin with>>743330807name like 5-10 dogshit charms and i will tell you why youre wrong
>>743312019I struggled through the whole game, got a couple endings including the one where you can't heal Then I hit a wall with all the marked act 3 bosses and jumped ship, so I can't say I finished the game. The sea of sorrow update will probably trigger a replay. Maybe I can breeze through the early areas now that I know what I'm doing.
>>743330852And yet despite having 5x more purchases than HK, SSs most popular/"best" song, Choral Choir, still has less listens than the song you get from sitting on a fucking bench in HK.If you like the music fine. Don't pretend it's even remotely as popular or good as HKs tracks.
>>743330852>>743330865>the two buttbuddies shitting up the thread with idiotic takes literally posting the exact same shit side by side for the 4th time in a rowFucking lol retards really do think alike.
>>743331037It's popular. You are just a contrarian and can't admit when you're wrong. Even with blatant idiot opinions like the one you just did. The world doesn't revolve around your taste, nobody cares about you faggot.
>>743330921>name like 5-10 dogshit charms and i will tell you why youre wrongGathering SwarmStalwart ShellGrubberfly's ElegyHeavy BlowThorns of AgonyBaldur ShellFlukenestDefender's CrestGlowing WombDeep FocusSpore ShroomSharp ShadowShape of UnnWeaversongDream WielderGrimmchildCarefree MelodyAlso the lifeblood and hiveblood charms are only particularly useful in very specific parts of the game
>>743331102>I am proven to think like a retard>LOL NO U ARE RETARD
This is like when DaS3 came out and sold 2x more than any other Souls game or when ER came out and sold like 5x more than any Souls gameAll the old players who have played from the beginning saw the obvious flaws and shortcomings of the newer games while the newer players claimed to always be fans and completely shit their pants over criticism because theyre experiencing the same thing the rest of us did 10 years ago
>>743331107I accept your concession.>like the one you just didAlso you're brown, which more or less explains your last 5 posts.
>>743330881Its not that SS has bad tracks but they dont feel as diverse as the HK ones, which might have been intentional with how the whole map was designed.
>>743331291100% white. Do you bring up race because it scares you? You are really compelling at articulating video game criticism and compelling arguments. Maybe Silksong needed more rap music for your monkey brain?
>>743331167Lets get the inexcusably retarded takes out of the way first>Gathering Swarmextremely busted for exploring or replays, saves so much time, id kill myself without it>baldur shellextremely powerful for anyone bad enough at the game to not be able to eat P5 for breakfast. Being able to heal in more places, being able to spend a charge to gain iframes and block something you otherwise think you couldnt dodge, etc is substantial. You can literally replace "i cant heal in this window" with "i get to heal and wail on the enemy">FlukenestLiterally meta for speedrunnning but i digress. Losing out on the range and multi-hits with the soul is sad, but it gets to do some serious damage with being able to pre-fire it. it also massively amplifies the damage of using shade soul at point blank without multihits which is really nice in bosses when you can neither land a full AS or DD but still want to land a spell>Carefree melodyIts literally 20% more health on average, that multiplies your healing sources & thorn sources, which is a quality that Heart lacks.1/2
>>743331225HK is a very boring game compared to Silksong, however. It's practically empty in comparison, big empty rooms full of basic enemies you can ignore. At least 25% of the experience is just downtime while backtracking.
>>743331658That applies to both games.
>>743331167>>7433315262/2now the understandable but clueless ones>shape of unnexpands possible heal windows by 9 billion which is nice for new players. Also lets you not waste some attack windows when healing>dream wielderDream nail is actually useful in combat for the soul gain during enemy staggers and in a few select windows, and dream wielder massively amplifies how much you can get. Dream Wielder outright makes the dream nail nice in general, being able to land it so fast while farming a whole two spell shots can actually make it more worth it than attacking with the nail, either by comparing in damage. Also dream wielder is actually quite nice for exploration but it can be tough to justify the slot, having something like Dream Wielder in silksong would be absolutely amazing.>thorns of agonythorns of agony sounds shit until you do the math. If you get hit 10 times during a fight, then you dealt over 10% the health of every major boss in the game. Thats actually kind of insane value for 1 charm notch for anybody who isnt great enough at the game to beat P5 charmless. And it combos with shape of unn. Thorns is a genuinely a monumentally powerful crutch if you build into it. If you get hit 5 times its still over 5% for 1 charm notch which isnt bad. The only scenarios where you can argue this has bad price performance is "my only point of comparison is Quick Slash" or "I am too good at the game so i no longer need charms to begin with">spore shroomSee above, except even stronger if used well. >deep focuscan be really handy in exploration, ive seen someone crutch on it hard and first-try pantheon 5 with this shit. >sharp shadowmany people genuinely enjoy/love the dash range, its a preference thing>weaversongIt deals surprisingly nice damage while passively farming soul.actually 2/3 oops
>>743316451The gameplay is the reward nigger. Go play cookie clicker if you want to see numbers go up
>>743331225I don't think the situations are all that comparable. Dark Souls 3 came out when the series had already shifted to being mostly about boss fights, and the new fans had been lured in by the "Prepare to Die" meme, while the old fans felt the series had jumped the shark by that point, abandoning its adventure-exploration roots. Silksong compared to Hollow Knight is basically more of the same, catered to fans of the original, with some refinements in the form of movement tech, crests, and tools. In this case, it was newcomers who couldn't understand why the sequel to a challenging indie metroidvania was...exactly that. Hence the journalistic hand-wringing over "difficulty in video games" that ensued. It was basically picrel.
>>743331526>extremely busted for exploring or replays, Nigga if you're not ass you get geo coming out your ears unless you're just buying everything you can immediately just to have it>extremely powerful for anyone bad enough at the game to not be able to eat P5 for breakfast. It's not useless, but it's suboptimal compared to charms that let you actually just kill better or have more health or healing. Relying on it when new to the game will also delay your development at actually getting good at the game.>which is a quality that Heart lacks.But it lacks the consistency of Heart, or even lifeblood stacking. You can't rely on it. Nobody would use the dice in silksong if it was a blue tool. You make a pretty good argument for flukenest though, at least as a situational tool.
>>743331167>>743331756>elegysome people crutched really hard on this for radiants or for helping with some bosses they struggled with, its actually not so bad for exploration and it also helps with the delicate flower quest>deep focusthis might sound retarded but spending 7 slots into absolute healmaxxing, combined with stalwart shell, thorns of agony, shape of unn and defenders crest is a strat that ive seen making absolute shitters able to beat P5now the actual inexcusable dogshit charms>defenders cresthonestly a pretty shitty charm but its at least situationally good for lost kin. Even worse is that its synergies make the other charms several times worse (other than shape of unn)I only defend it for the absolute healmaxxing build in question.>grimmchild, heavy blowi cannot excuse these charms.>glowing wombthis charm is truly unfiltered monumental garbage>lifeblood charmshonestly underrated in bossfights for people that are struggling with them. people just dont do the math or think much about it. You can easily verify this by using the plasmium injector in silksong and gaining some appreciation for HK lifebloodBeing able to have that buffer of extra health, with better price/performance than Heart, while being able to put that extra soul towards spells and just trying to DPS race the fight (kill it before it kills you i mean) instead of healing is an underrated strategy, specially combined with stalwart shell, grubsong etc. I forgot to mention how well the crutchy thorn and spore shroom charms paired with grubsong.>hivebloodits just genuinely really raped by the huge cost. Funny enough Silksong has an extremely retardedly overpowered version of Hiveblood and its the most busted shit ever
>>743312019i love this game but the critique of lack of reward (currency, shards, hell even silk) from every boss is extremely valid, especially since unlike the OG this game has a plethora of things to spend money on, and a good system to prevent losses of currency, seems like a gigantic oversight.
>>743332001>Nigga if you're not ass you get geo coming out your ears..if i stop to grab the geo from enemies. Not only by default but not even considering me blasting shit from a range. >just buying everything you can immediately just to have iti buy what i need and even then i dont want to backtrack>baldur shell, suboptimalthis is a completely unsubstantiated claim. people can easily use baldur shell to tank several hits or to gain several windows of iframes that also triggered on-taking-damage charms.Let me tell you this, what does 4 hits equal? because in my view it equals>4 spells >plus iframe window to deal free damage>Plus not having to heal damage you would otherwise have takenthis is LUDICROUSLY more value than anything short of quick slash. its an extremely powerful crutch if weaponized>lacks the consistency of healthtrue, but its hard to argue with the bonus in a fight you are struggling with. The chances of fluking positively are actually more likely than the chances of fluking overly negatively. And if you played a lot of games with this sort of healing, you should notice how much more powerful "20% more defense" is compared to "20% more health" by virtue of multiplying all your healing sources, thorn sources, i-frame sources and all that
>>743316765Fuck those faggot redditors, why are they like this? I created an app, and I tried to promote it as well. The losers there will shit on things for no reason
>>743332001>delay your development at actually getting good at the game.having the sheer unfiltered vision and intellect to understand how busted of a crutch Baldur Shell is will instantly out a player as more intelligent and better at build-crafting for a bossfight than 99% of the playerbase. id say this is the very definition of being good at videogames
>>743331756>expands possible heal windows by 9 billion which is nice for new players. New players don't have Isma's Tear. >Dream nail is actually useful in combathahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHADream nailing in combat is what people resorted to out of boredom before silksong came out. It's shit, it's absolute dogshit.>If you get hit 10 times during a fight, Planning around failing is stupid, and this is ignoring how most of the harder bosses rely heavily on projectiles and disjointed attacks>spore shroomDogshit. Does no damage>deep focus can be really handy in exploration, Far worse than just using a charm that gives you soul or makes its use more efficient>many people genuinely enjoy/love the dash range,Many people enjoy eating shit I guess>weaversong deals surprisingly nice damage No.
>>743332517You are dogshit at games. In ever single well designed game, the player can avoid damage with movement and basic tools available to him. What naturally follows is to maximize damage output with offensive enhancements. Charms that increase damage are best in slot, you are clueless.
>>743332517Actually no, hollow knight is mostly about getting good at the fights more so than your ability to pick charms. Especially when the only two good builds in the game are extremely obvious once you see what the options are.
>>743332413You can't say that baldur's shell does all of that AND lets you avoid 4 hits because the only way to use baldur's shell constructively like that is to use it in such a situation where you're going to get hit on purpose. >this is LUDICROUSLY more value than anything short of quick slash. There's no reason to pick it over the spell charms or longnail+quick+strength+life. Or longnail+quick+strength+red tearstone ring if you want to be really cool
>>743332586how clueless a nigga do you need to be to be unaware about using dream nail on boss stagger windows, animations where they are shielded from damage, and many others?>planning around failing is stupidtaking damage 10 times and healing it all is not failing. you can easily beat p5 with this>dogshit, does no damageit does more than a nail on the situation youre healing. Just do the math retard. If you heal 5 times and use thorns+spore you dealt 10% of the boss health.Like please may i inquire, how many times did you die to nightmare king grimm?>>743332663I beat p5 all bindings btw> In ever single well designed game, the player can avoid damage with movement and basic tools available to himSpeaking in absolutes is retarded but i digress. You just sound like someone who cant conceive anything beyond a braindead solved simon says.Once again how many times did you die to NKG? Im not even going to bother with asking about p5 all bindings because you are clearly too low IQ to achieve that
>>743332663spoken like a faggot who didnt first-try 80% of bossfights in the game. Spoken like a low IQ tard who routinely dies 5-10+ to videogame bosses and thinks they are good because they memorized it through trial and error
There is no such thing as a great game that didn't have at least one dedicated schitzo. Congrats
>>743332883>You just sound like someone who cant conceive anything beyond a braindead solved simon says.You need to stop larping as some elite theory crafter in some dogshit mmorpg, games are solved, games were solved decades ago, all gaming is simon says, you maximize damage and stand in the correct spot, every missed attack opportunity is a missplay. GitGud.>p5 all bindingsBindings are extra self-imposed challenges, no achievement is tied to them.
>>743332663In a well designed game might be lots of playstyle variety and different ways to beat the challenge using your intelligence. Just because a game isnt trial-and-error or gear check dogshit that doesnt mean you cant be stronger by doing something other than the default response to every encounter.If you cant appreciate doing anything but the braindead basics that every other player has done, thats simply low IQ behavior but i digress. Its just such autistic childish sperging specially considering that having some degree of crutch can often make it easier to become good and build confidence at a game to begin with>NOOOO you MUST play in this approved way in my mind that i see all the youtuber trannyrunners who have killed the boss 8432 times and took several takes to upload on youtube doing it okay!!! It doesnt matter the context!! It doesnt matter if im too bad to do it!!In the off chance you died to P5 more than once or twice you are practically automatically outing yourself as a retard. You are shitting on the charms that would make you able to beat it without dying.
>>743332953You are projecting your own failures on to me.I first try most bosses with ease because of my superior reaction speed and IQ.I don't need to make some shitter cope charm settup to win by being able to move when I heal or by having some baldur faggot protecting me when I heal or w.e the dogshit charms you are shilling are.
>>743330881https://youtube.com/watch?v=4Zi0K7RnFiQIt's understated, but I feel like Bone Bottom has an underrated hub theme. It's not a place you want to spend very much time or come back to more often than you have to (at least I didn't, not like Dirtmouth, which was pretty much the only option in that game as far as main hubs, and Bellhart is obviously more of a permanent residence for you by the end). But somehow, as the violin swells, the music communicates a sense of "Here's a place you can rest, but don't put very much hope here. Keep your eyes on what's coming up next and keep going." which resonates thematically with the pilgrims' journey, and Hornet's as well. Not one of the best tracks overall, but very fitting in my view.
Anybody that shits on the game should preface their post with "I beat the game but" to not have their opinion be instantly discarded
>>743332883>how clueless a nigga do you need to be to be unaware about using dream nail on boss stagger windows, animations where they are shielded from damage, and many others?Using dream nail on a boss during stagger to recharge soul is the only use case and it would be stupid to dedicate a charm slot to make that slightly better.>it does more than a nailYeah, A nail. I don't plan on hitting the boss with the nail once in a window long enough to focus. >Like please may i inquire, how many times did you die to nightmare king grimm?A lot, obviously, he's pretty damn hard, but then I got to the point where I could pretty consistently beat him without getting hit at all. You kind of have to if you want to beat P5. That guy isn't me btw>Im not even going to bother with asking about p5 all bindings because you are clearly too low IQ to achieve thatNigga you need to be unemployed to beat P5 all bindings.
>>743312019Brave of you admitting you suck.Silksong managed to beat Super Metroid as gold standard of Metroidvania
>>743333185If I had a button to press that genocided people like you instantly, I would.Playstyle variety is for low IQ subhumans. Quality is more important than quantity.In gaming, "trial-and-error" only exists for those with dogshit genetics which results in dogshit reaction speed and low IQ.
It alright. The map feels bloated, the item progression is very stop and start, the currency systems feel tacked on, and the music is forgettable. But it alright
>>743333270>being able to farm 4 spells instead of 1 is slightly betteruh okay>a naildid you even check how many nails it takes for a boss to die? the number is surprisingly small.>i died a lot fo NKGwell, i saw several people beating it in 2-3 tries with crutchy builds. sounds like they are strong.I personally beat him in 4 tries by using strength, quick slash, shaman stone and... baldur shell. i would have absolutely not made it in 4 tries without baldur shellyou would need to be on an ascended level of gay to write off people beating the hardest fight in the game in way less tries than you as bad
>>743312852Based
>>743333112>You need to stop larping as some elite theory crafter in some dogshit mmorpgi suggested a powerful build and you are sperging like a crybaby because someone doesnt play the way you want>all bindings is self imposedoh my god now i realise how much of a crybaby you are. "I did all bindings btw" was spoken to say im good at HK and videogames, but instead you defensively started sperging about muh optional, most certainly because you are extremely insecure about not having beaten it. You are on such an ascended level of being a spineless whiny faggot that you managed to utter these words completely out of context. this is such an insane level of being petty and obsessed with videogames, if i was as low as you id want to kill myself on the regular.everything is self imposed nigger. nothing forces you to get the steel soul achievement. nothing forces you to get embrace the void. writing off something off like that is pure copium>>743333382quality does not inherently imply the lack of quantityThe only fast paced FPS game with non-shit bossfights has the most playstyle variety in any CAG ever.
>>743312019I did not like the shard system but that’s because I’m autistic when it comes to resource handling. I also thought the early game was a bit awkward, but thankfully that’s not a big part of the game.
>>743333305>i suggested a powerful build and you are sperging like a crybaby because someone doesnt play the way you wantYou can play sub-optimal all you want, doesn't bother me.>oh my god now i realise how much of a crybaby you are. "I did all bindings btw" was spoken to say im good at HK and videogames, but instead you defensively started sperging about muh optional, most certainly because you havent beaten it. You are on such an ascended level of being a spineless whiny faggot that you managed to utter these words completely out of context. this is such an insane level of being petty and obsessed with videogames, if i was as low as you id want to kill myself on the regular.I've cleared everything. Achievements are designed by the developer, it has nothing to do with me being petty or obsessed, you are mentally ill.>everything is self imposed nigger. nothing forces you to get the steel soul achievement. nothing forces you to get embrace the void. writing off something off like that is pure copiumNo, not everything is self imposed. The developers design the limitations of the game. It isn't my job to play blindfolder or on some dance pad or w.e low IQ subhumans do these days.
tranny gametrannies want to dress up in a dress like that bug and they love autistically repeating tedius gameplay (see speedrunning community)
>>743333568>Achievements are designed by the developer,P5 all bindings was designed by the developer
>>743312019>Bro! Bro you NEED to play Silksong! It's the best fucking thing ever!What the fuck even is Silksong, I hear people talk about it but I have no interest at all>BRO! What the FUCK! It's the BEST game ever! It's a fucking metroidvania except they're BUGS!Oh, metroidvanias? The genre that got redundant the instant Metroid Prime came out in the mid 2000's? Yeah I'll pass, go enjoy your objectively outdated genre, I bet you like fighting games too lmao>S-SHUT THE FUCK UP! ITS THE BEST GAME EVER AND YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS!Jealous of what? A game less interesting and complex than Homeworld or Trespasser? Those fucking games came out in the late 90's and they managed to actually put more effort into, you know, the GAMEPLAY lmao.
I just beat lost lace today, shit was so kino. The game has some flaws but is great all the same. 9/10
>>743333436I didn't say you were bad, you've beaten P5 all bindings allegedly, I said that baldur's shell is bad, because it is. You don't even need charms lmao
I love how because it was so popular it outed a ton of people as absolute casuals, faggots on PC had to even cheat to get through it LOL
>>743333597And yet there is no achievement tied to them.Also, show me the timer for your boss kills with your unique shitter charm combinations, then all can see the truth. Offensive charms give fastest kill timers, gaming has been solved for decades, stand in the right spot, maximize damage output, every missed attack opportunity is a missplay, GitGud.
>>743320824Impressive. Very nice. Let's see the average time played for that 587K compared to HK's 95K.
>>743333630Look at this slimy little PCocksucker trying to pretend a game focused on gameplay is bad by comparing it to shitty tech demos from the 90s
>>743333703He is a subhuman, I instantly recognize this type "I am so unique, I theory crafted this unique dogshit shitter charm settup xD", saw it countless time decades ago when I played mmorpgs, typical low IQ subhumans thinking they are something special, when in reality, gaming has been solved for decades. Best in slot is always maxamizing damage output.
>>743333203Hell, I have more respect for >>743330376 than generic complaints using vagaries like "it's tedious!" or other such subjective generalities. Like this post >>743333395
>>743333901tranny
>>743333898You're a faggot retard and you ruined the conversation I was having with him by being a petulant moron and a shitty gamer. He thought your nonsense was me replying to him!
>>743333735>And yet there is no achievement tied to them.actually my godtuner and my p5 gate shines brighter now. if they put a a well designed fun challenge in the game then it matters nigga>show me the timerhow am i supposed to get the timer? go reinstall the game and get them again? it wouldnt even work because i overplayed the game to death and i dont take damage much so i dont get to abuse them> Offensive charms give fastest kill timers, this game isnt about getting the fastest kill timers its about winningIf you kill a boss in 2 tries after 3 minutes of battling, you killed it faster than the guy who died 6 times trying to kill it in 2 minutes>every missed attack opportunity is a missplay, yeah and ur probably so bad that thorns+spore shroom would deal more damage than shaman stone lmaoaoaooaoaoao
>>743333989You are welcome.
>>743333989ooh im horribly sorry for the crossfire anoni wish /v/ had these per-thread IDs like they do in other boards. in overwhelming majority of imageboards, in fact>>743333898>i played mmorpgs coutnless timesyou are really not helping your case here anon. youre making yourself sound even more gay and retarded
>>743312072The part where it was supposed to be fun and wasn’t. Also the part where it was supposed to have soul like the first game and didn’t.
>>743314768It isn’t. It has more stuff, but almost none of it is better.
>>743334000>actually my godtuner and my p5 gate shines brighter nowThats not an achievement in the achievements list of the game which the developers selected and created.>this game isnt about getting the fastest kill timers its about winningEvery game is about that, that is the optimal and best way to play the game. I understand that it can be fun to play sub-optimal playstyles to see how they play, but claiming you are some smart or creative person for doing so is cope, you are playing suboptimal, you aren't smart, you arent special, and that is okay, just accept it instead of being insecure about it.>If you kill a boss in 2 tries after 3 minutes of battling, you killed it faster than the guy who died 6 times trying to kill it in 2 minutesHow about not dying while having maximized damage output? If you were good, you wouldn't need to invent defensive crutch shitter charm settups and playstyles.>yeah and ur probably so bad that thorns+spore shroom would deal more damage than shaman stone lmaoaoaooaoaoaoKeep projecting, I'll keep laughing.
>>743333837>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY MY SIDESCROLLER IS BASICALLY JUST A FANCIER LOOKING SNES GAME!>S-SHUT THE FUCK UP! OKAY FINE I NEVER BEAT HOMEWORLD, IT WAS TOO COMPLICATED FOR ME! I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY ACTUAL GENRES!It's going to be 2080 and the game of the year is going to be a fucking tetris-like at this rate.
>>743315197Because it was tedious. They crammed more content in it, but none of it was that fun or felt rewarding.
I liked the game and beat it, I'm waiting for the dlc
>>743331768“What? You want to ride the roller coaster? No, there is no roller coaster. Standing in line is the ride!!!”
>>743333989>you’re a shitty gamer Imagine gatekeeping video games as an adult like you’re on the playground at school. Absolutely pathetic…
The pogo filtered people so hard.They will be mind broken about it for the rest of their lives.
>>743334567The anon is trying to insult me, I don't mind, because I am not a shitty gamer, I am a very good gamer.I don't need you to come in and try to defend me or discredit him, GATEKEEPING is good and a moral duty of every True Gamer, fuck off normalfag.
>>743334426>What do you mean I don't get a new powerup when I finish a world in Mario? I just get to play through another world? Fucking shit game.
She fucked hundreds of bugs
it's a great game if you aren't a gay casual
No one actually thought SIlksong bosses were hard, right?
>>743334641lol, how fat are you?
The shard system is objectively poorly designed. It's a bandaid fix for making tools too OP that doesn't actually work the way it should.And of course, it allows them to put a shit load of filler exploration "rewards" throughout the map instead of having to put some thought into the design
>>743334719Trobbio was the only hard boss
>>743334647Super Mario World (unlike silksong) is actually a well designed game. It’s fun for people with different play styles instead of requiring you to play a certain way and sucking the fun out of it.
>>743312072fpbp
>>743334925I'm not, you dumb normalfag. Fat people can't even gatekeep what enters their mouth, losers who hate gatekeeping like you are more likely to be fat.
>>743334958Yeah tools should cost silk instead. Very obvious missed opportunity. You could have a limited "magazine" that you can replenish by using the tool when it's empty to reload at the cost of silk, with the number of spools depending on the tool.
>>743334676It’s extremely mid. I 100%’d the game and have zero interest in playing it again. I’ve played through the original game 5 or 6 times and will again.
>>743318268Shazam lost and got thoroughly raped
>>743335068Imagine if you put all of that effort into something useful in life rather than bragging about how much of a non-normie uber gamer that you are.
>>743335131Hollow Knight is a slow baby game why would you play through it over and over?
>>743318268there was like 2 runbacks in silksong. which made the endless reddit seething so difficult to understand. the game was easier than hollow knight because you have so much more movement and can heal in the air.
>>743329297Why did /v/ get filtered by Fourth Chorus of all things?
>>743312019>DEI female protagonist>still screams like a young boy>the intention is to merge the female and male body and voice and dick and vagina>another jewish funded slop
>>743330060Reminder that /v/ predicted that Silksong would flop and then mentally broke when that didn't happen.It was like watching bg3 all over again
>>743335191Because it’s enjoyable, has good music, is fun and doesn’t feel like a chore to play. You know, fun is the reason you play a “game”. If I want to do bullshit tedious repetitive tasks I do something in real life that matters.
>>743334676>it's a great game if you aren't a gay casualIt's actually a mid game regardless of what pointless label you give yourself over childrens toys
>>743318268Based. Fuck elden cringe.
>>743335389>he said on /v/
>>743312019It didn't suck but I was ultimately disappointed after years of hype. I was always going to be after such a long wait, but compared to the first game I remember my frustration with Silksong far more vividly than the good stuff.
>>743335437Just because /v/ is the worst board on this website doesn't mean to have to conform to it's pathetic standards
>>743335221Seriously, I went back to HK and timed a few runbacks. The Crystal Guardian's is about a minute long without fighting anything and the Soul Sanctums is annoying with the teleporting enemies.
>>743312072Swamp with that long runback.I just couldn't bother and closed the game
>>743335452>rape imminent
>>743312019Fucking hilarious to watch in /v/ in real-time prove yet again that it sucks at video games.Someone post the Heavy Attack Helicopter.
>>743335606>if you don’t like a game that I like, it means you must be bad at games
>>743335606Sure, here it is
>>743315197Gauntlets had too many baby waves.Gauntlets before bossesLong runbacksLimited tool usageTools use a resource you need to grindExploration is not rewardingPowerups don't feel powerful
>>743334719Not really
>>743312184Pretty much agree. It was good, I enjoyed it, but there's nothing as memorable in it as reaching the city of tears for the first time or fighting Radiance/NKG
>>743335606Using skill issue as an excuse in 2026 just means you have no argument unfortunately.
>>743312184>basically already forgottenIn what universe? Everyone who loved Hollow Knight pretty much moved onto Silksong. Its like the only game that released last year and actually has a following.
I don't know about you guys but I liked silksong more because I'm a gameplay fag. But the game never pulls out kino like Radiance or any moment with Zote.
>>743335964>any moment with ZoteZote is trash, he only lived once, I always let him die.
>>743336020Zote is literally /ourguy/ you have to be an extreme midwit to not like him
>>743312019It was okay.People definitely don't talk about it anymore. It had TotK syndrome where people swore it was the best thing since sliced bread, but about a year later it's fallen to the annals of history. It was just another video game that didn't do anything special and it had quite a few map design flaws and problems with the difficulty.TC's idea of "new and improved content" being grindy fetch quests was also pretty embarrassing. Bloat was the last thing I was expecting from an indie game, but these devs seem to have taken all the wrong lessons from today's gaming when they made the decision to include them. This game plays almost like a AAA game and that's not a compliment. Ironically, Expedition 33 *looks* AAA, but it has basically 0 bloat and none of the problems prevalent in today's gaming. Small wonder why that game curb-stomped Silksong at TGA.
>>743336130I wouldn't say it's a victim because it's still good, but it was susceptible to modern vidya hype.A bunch of people who loved the original were going crazy over it and then a bunch of people who never played HK got on the train and it just went nuclear
>>743335269Because /v/ is insanely bad at Vidya.
>>743336130brother, turn-based parryslop is the pinnacle of bloat
>>743336130Expedition 33 is a non-strategy turn based RPG, IE, a game for retard babies and casuals
>>743335269How do you get filtered by fourth chorus?
>>743336130>Expedition 33 *looks* AAA, but it has basically 0 bloatI imagine you just directly ran to the story objectives and never did any side objectives of any kind. The game has a huge amount of lazy asset reuse and terrible side missions which you never played.
>autism above>>743333703>>743333989>>743334095https://files.catbox.moe/g2gi63.mp4i tried the baldur shell, iframes, thorns etc build against Pure Vessel and i can safely say this is actually quite strong, specially if you count the hits until an enemy gets staggered. with the slightest of luck, you can do some very funny retardmaxxing against bosses spamming attacks and dea lots of damage. The total kill time was nearly exactly 1 minute, could have been shorter but i jobbed really hard at the first few moments before and was too afraid to abuse the facetanking.I even missed out on some opportunities to attack more during it due to my inexperience with this strat, i didnt even use the full baldur shell, but i still ripped off way over half the boss HP with the iframes and thorns. thats genuinely impressive and i actually doubt someone can struggle with a boss like thisAnd this is extremely forced, inneficient usage, so in theory it gets even better for someone playing naturallyhttps://files.catbox.moe/wbqugz.mp4
>>743315491stupid scrub>HK was casual and fun>Silksong is ADHDSilksong is a game built out of a previously planned-as-DLC follow up to Godmaster, which had by far the hardest content in HK. Silksong is hard because it 1) realizes that HK treaded all of its vanilla gameplay ideas by the time you beat one version of the Radiance2) is built as challenge content for HK3) set out to make Hornet play completely differently to The VesselSilksong did all 3 of these things it promised successfully and people hate on it for that very reason.
>>743336515>1 minutecorrection, i missremembered the clip duration. The kill took 44 seconds in total
>>743316765>>743317707>it's when a game is hard : (>so then only autistic people will like it : (This seems like an awful amount of excuses to say you don't like challenging classic video gaming. Silksong is about as close you can get to a NES/SNES sidescroller but with modern presentation. It avoids "everything wrong with gaming."
>>743336321>The game has a huge amount of lazy asset reuse and terrible side missions which you never playedWell-done side quests that focus on the story and characters, in a video game that's about the story featuring objectives that require exactly 0 material farming or grinding, is not the same as having useless chores that make the player go out of their way to kill the same enemies over and over again or run around scrounging for items multiple times.The former is authentic content. The latter is bloat.
>>743336530Assuming everything you said is accurate (it mostly is but some points are off, irrelevant)It's still a fucking problem because it was supposed to be a DLC, not a 50+ hour standalone game.
>>743334240the developer selected and created the bindings. whats the difference?if the developer didnt make an achievement for ETV would that make it irrelevant? Sounds stupid
>>743312852The story is worse, it's just a repeat of the first game but told way worse and with no nuance or greek tragedy layers to it
>>743336730>Well-done side quests that focus on the story and charactersYou have literally never done any of the Nevron side quests. You have probably not even spoken to any of the NPCs. E33 has side quests, true, filler side quests. You have just never touched them.And honestly, you probably have not even gone into a single side area. Otherwise you would know the amount of "content" E33 actually has is stretched enormously thin over the entire game. Which is what it shares most common with an AAA game.
>>743336730Yeah, those Only Up ripoff minigames were very integrated with the story
>>743336130Now if only E33 had actual good gameplay
>>743336946You do not farm anything. At most you kill an enemy or pick up 1 hidden item but that's it. That's not bloat. Also the game has like 4 or 5 quests like that. Much of the side content isn't even questing; it's optional dungeons, a handful of minigames, and character side stories.Just laughing at you for thinking that a handful of very very minor quests like that are considered "bloat" when all they are are tidbits of world building and you get an item for spending less than 5 minutes doing them. I don't think you can even finish a single Silksong side quest in 5 minutes, because they are all padded out.You are being disingenuous. Compare E33's side quests to the questing of today's gaming and you'll suddenly see that they are much closer in structure to the 90's/early 2000's games it's taking inspiration from than from anything you see today.
>>743337232>Much of the side content isn't even questing; it's optional dungeons, a handful of minigames, and character side stories.That is also the side quests in Silksong. However, if this is not considered bloat then you are an idiot because even the most tedious Wish in Silksong takes like 5 minutes at most. None of these Wishes are long affairs, unless they stick a unique boss or an actual fight at the end of it.
>>743337508You are not addressing the elephant in the room. I've been pointing out that Skong has quests that feature HUGE amounts of grinding and you're just blatantly ignoring this, and not only does the game have them, they are MANDATORY for the true ending.Expedition 33 has *nothing* like that because it's not bloated lmao. Stop cherry-picking your favorite content as a defense. It wouldn't even be that big of an issue if the game didn't ask you to do it so fucking often.
>>743337627>Skong has quests that feature HUGE amounts of grindingI just acknowledged it. Even the "grindiest" quest in Silksong takes like 5 minute at most. The actual requirements for progressing are all incredibly easy. This is why this conversation is so funny. E33 is the exact same shit, these side quests are also pure filler. But they "Don't count because they're super easy!"
>>743315341Yeah it is kinda annoying how incredibly gay and full of faggotry much of the HK fandom is.
>>743312184It's for the gamers
>>743314768>It's a better than hollow knight.No it fucking isn't, you dumb faggot.
>>743312184>It's already forgotten Lmao no it isn't, zoomoids are just brainbroken by live service multiplayer games and roguelikes so they can't accept that sometimes you just play a good single player game and put it down once you've completed it.
>>743314768Pretty much, yeah. Hollow Knight is incredibly easy though (at least until the post game) so that's why you're getting seethe.
>>743334719>Poison tacks & Cogflies
>>743336818Literal video essayist slop criticism. What the fuck is "no greek tragedy layers to it" meant to even mean? Are stories only good if they end with protagonist being hoisted by their own petard? This is what happens when people just want to say something for the sake of trying to join the conversation
>Pre-Silksong>Daily seethe threads shitting on HK, it's overrated, ruined the genre etc.>Post-Silksong>Suddenly no more daily HK threads, it's actually a masterpiece that Silksong (already forgotten) didn't live up to.Can't wait for Silksong to become a masterpiece in 2040 when Hollow Knight 3 releases.
>/v/ hates the game now that it became popularkek
>>743317774So essentially it's the same eternal discussion DMCfags have been having for decades, between the unique atmosphere of 1vs the gameplay of 3/4/5
>>743339025Nah. HK was insanely popular on /v/ until it got so popular that it became obnoxious to talk about 24/7 and the pendulum swung the other day.Threads with literally nothing but bapanada posting were extremely common>>743339047Also nah. Day 1 people were talking about how it was mid in here.
>>743334719Good job!
>>743326850hollow knight is a 5/10 because of the terrible map flow, tedious bosses/challenges, and tremendous amount of back-and-forth the game puts you through for next to no rewardit can be a pretty game and the music is ok, but the drab colors of most areas and sad piano schlock wears really thin after 40 hoursalso, as detailed as the huge areas are, everything is so monotonous that it's hard to navigate any given areathe final nail in the coffin is the incomprehensible language throughout the game that tries to add some depth but just comes off as pretentious garbageplayed hollow knight for the first time right before silk song came out to see if i wanted to play that, and killed any interest i had in that gamei say this as a person that loved both super metroid and symphony of the night long before they were cool and everyone knew about them
>>743339935i'll add that no metroidvania should be longer than about 10-12 hours when played for the first time, the genre simply can't sustain that
>>743312184It feels much better to play than HK by a mile but it also just has so many baffling design decisions like making Hornet squishy as hell and adding in bear ass collecting side quests.World design is also just generally worse.
>>743339935>flowThis must be the new redditor buzzword because I keep seeing it whenever someone is making a stupid complaint.
the only thing HK has over SS is the setting/plot/vibes which are all really the same thing in this context, SS plays so much better that its difficult to go backall it needs now is godhome but I'm curious how they'll add shit outside of that
>>743340237>new redditor buzzwordi haven't used reddit in 13 years, p-zombie faggotit's a legitimate complaint, the game is padded by about 30 hours just because the map is fucking awful
>>743340607in addition, the distribution of movement tech is heavily loaded at the end, so even moving is a chore for most of the game
>>743339764>until it got so popularYes we know, /v/ turned on it when it became popular.
>>743340237a good pacing is important but hardly anyone cares about it. It matters especially on replays. Silksong for example is massive and on my first and only playtrough that took me 50 hours I had lots of fun but I'm dreading to come back to it. It's way too big, same goes to original HK
I preferred Mina the Hollower.
>>743318651>posts one of the weakest tracks from the originalalright bro
>>743312184So forgotten you guys make threads about this game every day
>>743341129I've dipped my toes into trying Steelsoul (ate shit consistently though) but when you know where to go, the game becomes a lot faster.
>>743337832Nothing in E33 comes close to "run around this one screen for rng drops" that is the bell hunting. That shit is really fucking boring and should not be in a metroidvania.
>>743341448It is also 5 minutes long. E33's amazing Gestral bullshit like "Only Up" and other boring mini games are insanely shitty, boring filler.
>>743341654>optional minigames are bad actuallyHave you never played a jrpg? The game still deviates from some by making the rewards swimsuit outfits instead of hiding some absurdly powerful gear behind doing the minigame. Also the bell hunting is mandatory to get to act 3, that makes it even worse.
>>743341958>Have you never played a jrpg?Actually plenty, JRPGs putting tedious side games that nobody likes and hardly plays is also not a fantastic part of the genre. >Also the bell hunting is mandatoryIt is also effortlessly to actually do. You are correct it is the most filler wish of any filler wish in Silksong. But it is also unimaginably easy and you get it done in an instant.
>>743339764day 1 /v/ was getting filtered by lace and fourth chorus
>>743336270I don't know anon, /v/ is a magical and retarded place.
Hollowsnoys arr pathetic, holy shit.
>>743312019kino ass game but did anybody else just kinda.. not care that much about lace as a character? dunno for me the finale just paled in comparison to the hk+radiance fights in the original.
>>743342920its on switch 2 though
Im suprised how e33 story suffered the same problem silksong did when itcame to act 3.
Silksong suffered from being what gamersr think they want, it dosen't holds your hand, gamers love being hand holded they just don't want it to be too obvious
>>743339935Silk song has incomprehensible language? Are you a pre schooler? Did you confuse it with Blasphmous?
>>743323296>>743324206That is silly. Unless steamdb records emulation for total player counts for all time then you can use the total number of players as a baseline to guess sales. Rest of your refutation is just ignoring that guessing player retention requires comparison to past vs the present.
>>743312072The big boss you get right after getting the hover ability. It just spammed two basic attacks on a loop and was a giant HP sponge from start to finish. Every other aspect of the game reeked of late-stage Elden Ring slop so I ducked out and refunded the game the second I saw an HP sponge gimmick boss. Nothing in the game was interesting enough to make me stick it out, and from what I've heard I made the right call by shitcanning it there.
>>743317925You forgot the most important bit, which is gameplay elements that are impossible to dodge without foresight, which drives players into just spoiling the entire game for themselves by looking up guides so they stop getting trolled by the devs. Stuff like the trapped benches and the shops that demand a lot of money to enter and will lock you back out unless you somehow know to break the random switch above the door that looks like a part of the decor.Another troon element to that is the traps only exist to engagement bait people into going on social media to share clips and memes about getting trolled by the devs. I don't enjoy my singleplayer game getting turned into a ragebait simulator just to try prodding me into sharing fail clips for algo bait. I paid money for the devs to be smarmy dickheads that actively try and waste my time. Awesome. Faggot troon devs.
>>743336270The reason so many people shitcan it at fourth chorus is because of >>743349781AKA it's the final straw for a lot of people that liked Hollow Knight but hate the faggy game design of Elden Ring. That's the reason fourth chorus makes silksong troons seethe. It's an eternal reminder that the bosses in this game are unpolished dogshit compared to Hollow Knight.
>>743339935this entire post is unsubstantiated>bad map flowWhy? Its one of the most well interconnected and nonlinear maps in the genre. The early game suffers from being railroaded, but after that, you can go in any major direction and it just keeps going and transitioning to new areas and giving you new carrots, theres hardly ever a genuine dead end. This is practically the definition of good flow>tedious bosses/challengesthey are by far the most popular bosses and fights in the genre, they have much more dynamic and fancy movesets that can also be attacked 24/7 if youre creative and hammer them. you really need to substantiate why theyre monotonous, just sounds like a playstyle issue otherwise>drab colors of most areaspractically a /v/ meme at this point. Areas are colorful enough, you get very recognizable distinct areas through sheer shape>the final nail in the coffin is the incomprehensible language throughout the game that tries to add some depth but just comes off as pretentious garbagewtf are you smoking? The "nail in the coffin" is that your post now comes off as senseless contrarian sperging. Hollow Knight makes almost zero attempt at a conlang and its not supposed to "add depth" but moreso just sound good and be immersive. Its genuinely good to have characters delivering their emotions without speaking in a language we are familiar with, and its mostly fake words/vocalizations with only a few recurring exceptions of particular terms refering to major plot points
>>743350040I dodged most of these traps because i dont have the reaction speed of a potatoThe bilewater trap bench is the definition of kino
>>743349781>>743350173i dont understand what the fuck people mean by "damage sponge". If you attack the boss frequently enough he dies in 1-2 minutes. Do you want all bosses to be 30 seconds long or something? I cannot grasp this autism that i see so often in silksong threads
>>743350445>Do you want all bosses to be 30 seconds long or something? IThey unironically do, yes. Remember, Hollow knight is baby's first metroidvania.
>>743350445Yes, Fourth Chorus is a joke. Only on /v/ will people pretend it's a "damage sponge" or a hard boss. Maybe true gaymers here need to learn how to jump.
Now the dust has settled, can we finally admit that being a contrarian is uninteresting?
Reminder that a favela monkey got so mindbroken by Fourth Chorus that he spammed the early Silksong threads with pizza.
>Worse healing system>Worse charms>Worse pogo>Worse zones>Worse musicBut Choral Cham- No that's just 1 song compared to the many Hollow Knight had>Useless currency that encourages not using sub weapons>Simply exploring the map drains your money ensuring scarcity by the time you get to a shop>Generally worse enemy designs, everything looks like fan made OC's rather than basic bugs like in HK>60 hour "Metroidvania" with "Collect X amount of items" fetch quests">Enemies designed specifically to fuck you over by flying above you but also rapidly moving away if you get near them>Every single boss has some kind of instant melee hit specifically to punish you for not allowing the boss their turn to attack>Charms massively nerfed by making them color coded (All of the good ones are the same color and thus can't be equipped together)>The only new interesting mechanic, the Clawline, is heavily handicapped by the fact many enemies will either cause impact damage or throw out an attack you bounce into after using it
>>743352085>worse healing system if you're retarded>worse charms if you're retarded>worse pogoif you're retarded>worse zonesif you're retarded>worse musicif you're retarded >useless currency that ACK-are you a hoarder? the game showers you with shards>exploring drains your moneyif you suck, not to mention the string mechanic to ensure your money stays safe>worse enemy designs because uh i'm retardedThey're all bugs, and unlike HK much more visually distinct on an area to area basis, get some taste >le fetch queststheres one fetch quest >skill issue>skill issue>charmsand infinitely worse system that never gets as experimental as crests/silk skill/the myriad of movement/tools you get>skill issueanytime you clawline with an enemy you pogo off them by default giving you time ti dodge if they're about to attack, literal skill issue retard lol
