Which way, bionicman?
philosophically I'm most sympathetic to Tong's but it was implemented so retardedly, you essentially have no choice but to become a mass murderer
>>743312276The Illuminati ending is retarded. If you want power, would you join a struggling sect that was mismanaged for decades and is currently struggling to maintain power? You don't even get to rule them, just join the table.Idiotic.So the real choice is>erase internet and technology worldwideOr>rule as a superhuman benevolent dictator Which are equally interesting. If we go by Invisibile war, merging with Helios doesn't even work and puts you into a coma, but still
>>743312783From the way Tong spoke, he seemed too idealistic and short-sighted. >>743313112I refuse the Illuminati ending on principle of not wanting to associate with the Rothschilds.
>>743313112Illuminati is basically the conservative option for people who don't want to take big risks changing society. I didn't get it as a teen but it at least makes sense as an option to me now
Tong. I don't care that I it would hurt some people in the short run. I also don't care that it's kicking the can down the road (they all are to an extent). I refuse to allow AI to have any sort of power and I refuse to hand the keys to the shitty illuminati. Society ought to exist on smaller scales. Once we recover from the initial impact (it's only global communication/connection that goes away, not all technology) mankind will rise up to it's more noble stature, in smaller scale societies with senses of community and an actual reason to exist. Reject globalism.
>>743312276I didn't trust Helios and I don't think Tong's idea makes any sense long term so I always choose Illuminati. You aren't getting a utopia no matter what and the nature of man is to repeat in some way, the events that have happened before, JC may not be a man through traditional means, but he is still a man.
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>>743312276Gotta go with Helios but only if it's with me of course.Secondary to that then Tong's.
>>743312276I go back to mata nui and pretend I know nothing
>>743312276walk away and spend the rest of my days with hookers, if i can't solve something with the gep gun then it ain't for me
>>743312276fuck middlemarry rightkill left
>>743313112>If you want power,The point of Illuminati ending is not power, see its the middle ground between Helios(selfish power grab) and Dark Age(naive free for all). People keep a relative amount of freedom in their lives, like the kind you have in your everyday life now, and JC assumes a position within the invisible hand, influencing but never controlling.
>>743314860>(it's only global communication/connection that goes away, not all technology)Why do people keep repeating this when plenty of evidence exists that destroying Area 51 and Helios will fuck up power grids all over the planet?
>>743312276Merge with HeliosWhile Tong is correct that humans are better suited to smaller collectives like city-states, going full luddite is just incurring unnecessary suffering and inconvenience considering humanity will reach the same point again. Better off to try something new which could potentially bring a new golden age. Merging won't be an irreversible decision anyway, all empires die.
>>743313383I can kinda see that now, but it's still just the worst ending. You just played through an entire game exploring how fucked up these guys made the world, who would choose to willingly keep that going instead of trying to do something to make things better?
>try to access the computer in the Hong Kong convenience store because the guy in the club told me the password>even when sneaking, the police still turn hostile despite not even looking at me>look into it and apparently the police turn hostile even if they don't see you break into the convenience store. I love this game, but there's some real rough edges like this. Having to evade the military police in Hong Kong would be tough.
>>743321084JC DENTONIn other words, yes. You want me to blow the facility up -- why? It's just ahole in the ground.TONGDecades ago, the UN made Area 51 the central hub for all electroniccommunications. The Aquinas Protocol, originally for surveillance, has givenPage unlimited abilities to censor and control all forms of media.JC DENTONIf we destroy the Aquinas Hub, we'll take down the global network.TONGExactly. They dug their own grave, JC. We're going to eliminate globalcommunications altogether.JC DENTONI don't know... sounds like overkill.TONGAs long as technology has a global reach, someone will have the world in thepalm of his hand. If not Bob Page, then Everett, Dowd...JC DENTONAnother Stone Age would hardly be an improvement.TONGNot so drastic. A dark age, an age of city-states, craftsmen, government on ascale comprehensible to its citizens.Probably because they mention communications and global communications. Surveillance and censorship too. I'm not saying that destroying the internet wouldn't affect a lot of technology that relies on it deeply, but do you think destroying the internet would make your electric toothbrush stop working or something?
>>743313112>If we go by Invisibile war, merging with Helios doesn't even work and puts you into a coma, but stillThat and the end-game of Helios in IW is communism on steroids where privacy disappears completely and humanity as a species dies
>>743322362>you think destroying the internet would make your electric toothbrush stop working or somethingConsidering how everything has to be connected to the internet nowadays, it somehow would for some models
>>743322362>>743322527Low-hanging fruit right here
>>743322362Again there is plenty to suggest there is more to it than just communications>When Helios becomes the first thing it does it electronically lock down government buildings and begin regulating traffic>Even before that before the merger Daedalus was manipulating power sources, like when it caused a blackout to break you free of your cell in the UNATCO building.>Bob Page tells you flat out that destroying it will destroy the power gridsand of course the PS2 version of Deus Ex has this>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGhVxTxjS-YAnd yes the original team worked on the PS2 version.
>>743321990>humanity will reach the same point again.ThisI would add that the Illuminati is obviously too weak and have no way to make sure someone doesn't do the Majestic 12 thing again, as well.The Helios ending is the only way to make progress.
>>743312276Tong is a bandage fix to a deeper societal problem. If you go full ted k people will still reinvent technology and you'll have the problem again in the future. What you need is a solution that reconciles existing technology advancements, the best of which being Helios. It is a much better idea for the long run, people can't really govern themselves anyways. In fact, the only problem with the dictator/monarch system of government is that you can't guarantee they or their descendants will all be intelligent and competent, so the system eventually fails. But an immortal machine intelligence resolves all problems. If we don't go extinct first, that's where human government is going to head as well (when we ACTUALLY invent AI, not the "AI" we have now)
Easy choice.
>>743325140LoGH watcher detected
>>743323328>Helios and Daedalus manipulating power sourcesI don't think their ability to control devices like that entails the dependence of those devices on the area 51 network to work. Perhaps the power to UNATCO could be turned on and off independent of the internet connection to area 51. >trusting anything out of Page's mouth, a Page bargaining with his life on the line no less. Ever.>ps2 versionI played PC, for the first time in my life as a 35 year old last month, so I don't care about any of that.
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>>743321990What was this shitty ass image maker called?I remember seeing it everywhere on Facebook like 15 years ago
