I still don't understand what the fuck this statement is supposed to mean...
>nothing is trueMorality doesn't exist>everything is permittedYou are free.It's a fedora tipper phrase.
>being free is LE FEDORA TIPPERchristcuck moment
>>743315459take a guess why they call themselves assassins
>>743315459yolo
It's literally just Nihilism.
>>743317028You don't believe this.
>>743315459just the "everything is permitted" part is demonic enough
>ESL thread
>>743315459It was explained in AC1 and Revelations, but essentially it's "There's no objecyive truth" and "You're resposible for your own actions".
>>743317703for real. Makes me think this would be a phrase Trump would have in a gaudy golden sign over his permanent room over in Epstein's island.
>>743315459Everything is permitted, nothing is free.
>>743315459>I’ve had enough of the world for the time being. While I wait in this retreat for the solution to the final riddle, I can’t think of a better way to occupy my time than by filling in the last details of the fairy tales for our faithful children. It’s fitting for an old man who knows the world to reveal it to the people in the form of tales and parables. >There’s so much work still ahead of me! For the simplest believers I have to invent a thousand and one tales about the origins and beginning of the world, heaven and hell, the prophets, Mohammed, Ali and the Mahdi. >The second grade, the fighting faithful, will need more than anything a clear rule book giving them all the commandments and prohibitions. I’ll have to embed the fairy tales into basic principles and provide them with a whole catechism. >For the fedayeen I will have to reveal the first great Ismaili mysteries: the Koran is a complicated book and requires a special key to interpret it. >Still higher up, those who advance to the level of dais will learn that even the Koran doesn’t contain the ultimate mysteries, and that those are equally distributed among all the different faiths.>Those worthy enough to become regional dais will learn the awful supreme Ismaili principle: that nothing is true, and everything is permitted. >But those of us who hold all the threads of this mechanism in our hands will save our ultimate thoughts for ourselves.
>>743317835or bidenor any other fucking world leader right now
>Sofia Sartor: You mentioned a creed before. What is it?>Ezio Auditore: Nothing is true, everything is permitted.>Sofia Sartor: That is rather cynical.>Ezio Auditore: It would be if it were doctrine. But it is merely an observation on the nature of reality. To say that nothing is true is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say that everything is permitted is to understand that we are the architects of our actions and that we must live with our consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
>>743315459I always thought back in the day that this was something the writers came up with but it's from a novel and the quote is in reference to some Islamic philosophy. >>743317558I'd agree with this. If you think morality is subjective then you're already a lost cause.
>>743315459What I don't understand is why the fuck is that the creed of the Assassins in the first place? It doesn't even fit with what the rest of their rules are. 'Everything Is Permitted', and then you get a game over for killing too many civilians. 'Nothing Is True', and then you spend the entire fucking series trying to find out the objective truth about the events of the past.It absolutely reeks of the writers searching around for a cool quote and then working backwards to invent a meaning.
>>743315459Al Mualim lays it out outright in AC1. Assassins are supposed to realise that the moral rules established by society are 100% arbitrary and thus meaningless. However realising this isn't just freeing, it in fact puts a massive burden on the Assassins of having to take full moral responsibility for their actions, their own private moral codes and for the effects their actions have on the society and the direction they shelter it towardstl;dr; be your own moral compass and take responsibility for it
>>743317558>>743318525>>743319276>>743317703It's exactly the opposite of nihilism, midwits.A) If nothing is true then everything is permittedB) Nothing is trueC) Therefore everything is permitted D) But we can not allow for everything to be permittedE) Therefore we must create truthF) In doing so, we will create morality
>>743315459watered down crowleyism (watered down masonry) ((satanism))
>>743319990Wasn't Crowley just some fag who pretended to be goth to fuck Victorian women?
>>743315459Means get in the Animus memory hog.
>>743320173nah, he actually had wizard powers
>>743315459>nothing is trueDont just believe whatever faggots tell you, seek knowledge yourself>everything is permittedThe only thing actually preventing you from doing a given thing is your mind and physical limitations, aside from these you can simply do a thing but that thing will have downstream effects
>>743320173All occultists are, the more you learn about the history of occult societies the more you realise they were like discord groups before Internet was a thing, weirdos, grudges and bullshit drama included Doesn't change the fact that some of them knew a thing or two about the shit they dabbled in or at the very least had some interesting philosophical ideas
>>743315459The game literally explains it to you.https://youtu.be/lzwnHEk22Y0
>>743315574post truth societyrape and murder is socially acceptablecannibalism too
>>743315459It's cope for people with no morals.
>>743315459It's just Jean-Paul Sartre>Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does.Forgive me if the quote is not accurate, haven't read it in english before.
>>743315459Ezio spells it out>To say that nothing is true, is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say that everything is permitted, is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
>>743315459it was kinda explained in the first game. It was a way to say that objective truth (the world itself) is a fragile illusion, and that laws and morality arise from reason, not from the divine. The creed calls its followers not to be obedient, but to be wise. But to do so they have to look past the illusion that it is the world.>tips fedora
>>743320829It's wild how well-written the first game is not just in comparison to its sequels, but to just about any other video game out there.
>>743315459Marxist moto for genociding whites
>>743315459Its something that sounds cool and thats it, it really doesn't mean anything. Ubisoft would drop the whole templars vs assasins thing if they could
>>743315459It's from a book called Alamut. It inspired the AC series.
>>743315459mantra to get freemasons ok with fucking underage boys
>>743320173>womenbut while he was a typical hedonist, it wasn't just about that.He was an actual occultist (at times) + cult leader, but just never had the motivation to fully commit, it was ultimately more about power and sex to him.Which is why he had a very high-profile failure by prematurely trying to do the abramelin ritual, and nope'ing out early, which left atleast one portal to hell(?) open.
>>743318031Hey man you can't expect people here to have actually played the games, especially not the ezio trilogy.
I love how Christfags be like>I need a book to tell me not to kill people and be a massive piece of shit. If I don't have a book telling me what is moral how could I possibly know!
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>>743319990Pretty much. No one understands the actual occult meaning of the phrase because they use it to justify their magic crystal-tier garbage. Being a genuine chaos magician is fucking suffering because of retards who blindly parrot the phrase on Reddit when they think about a seagull, and then sixteen days later while walking on the beach they see a seagull, which they believe is chaos magic.
>>743315459>DO WHAT THOU WILT SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW>HASHASHIN>ARTEMIS>JUNO>KNIGHTS TEMPLAR>ADAM AND EVE>APPLE OF EDENoccult deep state gnostic psyop slop, which is why they poisoned the well after 3
>Jew-on-a-Stick Troons when the game about a secret society of murderers doesn't have the morality of Care Bears
>>743321986>Being a genuine chaos magician is fucking suffering
>>743318525how is it not subjective? i swear you people are fucking retarded. if it was objective, the world wouldnt look like the cesspit it does now. because it would be objective. this is the devil's playground, nothing matters here.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrrI0LJP7YkThey literally tell you in the games
>>743317028Struck a nerve huh? I think reddit is more your speed little guy.
>>743321978He was right about this but wrong about the conclusion. If the only thing keeping the piece of shit from killing everyone is religion then thank God for religion. If you don't have main character syndrome the victim of this piece of shit could be you, you can't assume it'll always be someone else. I'd rather have the cattle behaving and not killing me, thank you very much.
Replaying Brotherhood and god I hate the "100% synchronisation" system.It is quite literally AGAINST the Creed to enforce how players should complete missions, wtf were Ubisoft thinking?
>>743322653Being repetitive was the main criticism leveled against the first game, so probably their idea of how to alleviate that by giving the players ideas of how to approach missions differently in a way that's supported by the game beyond "make your own fun."It's not the most elegant solution but it did work, people did stop criticising the series for being too repetitive for a while. Then they spammed the fuck out of those games and it felt that way again because they were formulaic and there were too many, but with AC1 people felt this way in the debut game.
>>743321921>>743321978I love how fedoratheists be like>we don't need christianity to be good, even though every other religion from every other civilization throughout history failed to reach similar moral positions! (no more child sacrifices; no more rapes; human rights; hospitals...)
>>743318031>>Sofia Sartor: That is rather cynical.>>Ezio Auditore: It would be if it were doctrineWait, but Ezio quite literally DOES recite it as doctrine to the new recruits when he becomes a Master. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZeQTnlSPco
>>743315574
>>743322868>no more child sacrifices; no more rapes; human rightsWho's gonna tell him?
>>743315459You know what it means goyim
>>743315574t. Never played Assassin's Creed 1The entire game is Altair learning that the creed is precisely not that.
>>743323000trips of truth
>>743315459It means that no authority actually decides what is true, and no moral code of rotes is without loopholes or irreconcilable dilemmas. There are no truths which remain true under all circumstances. Parallel lines will cross in spherical or hyperbolic space. In base 3, 2+2 does not equal 4, it equals 11. With Isu technology, gravity and time, and even the nature of souls and human mortality are not fixed properties.Knowing this, Assassins are expected to hold themselves to higher moral standards. Nothing can be done simply because "God wills it." Or because "It's the way of our people." The things that hold society together are not innate, if they're good, they have to be protected, and if they're bad, they need to be reformed into a better version.
>>743322917>Why does the master of the order have a deeper and more nuanced perspective on its teachings than mere initiates? That's kinda how a hierarchical secret society tends to work, AnonInitiates get taught a simplified and trimmed down version of the teachings that's easier to grasp at this stage and then as they advance the ranks and they get wiser, more experienced and more trusted they gradually reach the proper understanding
>>743322946>christians adopted abandoned kids and they behemently opposed human sacrifices>meanwhile, every other culture left them to die, no different than what animals doyeah, who is gonna tell me
>>743322868this will be even funnier when you admit to being a catholic
>>743315574>Morality doesn't existMorality exists as a part of the social contract.It doesn't exist as an objective cosmic imperative, though.
>>743323892>behementlyBaphomedian Slip
>>743315459The "nothing is true" has a double meaning. It means everything is a lie, a play, the rules don't exist - and thus everything is permitted.The double meaning is that 'true' is synonymous with 'real'. Nothing is *real* - it's not reality, just a fake recreation. Since Kassandra, the order and its forerunners have known about their future descendants and future Templars diving into recreations of the past via the Animus. Literally, they knew - that's a pivotal part of the plot of e.g. Kassandra's game.
>>743325717Literally the biggest mind-blowing reveal Ubisoft could pull with the series would be a future Templar or Assassin exiting their Animus, revealing the modern day protagonists are just another Animus recreation. Simulations inside simulations. Same as the Isu, desperately crunching numbers in their simulations trying to predict a thread of fate capable of preventing their universe-shattering cataclysm.
>>743322917Anon, is like how >>743323796 said, in the same game (Revelations) Al-Mualim asks a similar question to Altair, to see how he has matured in the creed. I belive in Revelations as well, Ezio talks to his apprentices and has a similar "deep dive" into the creed.Borh templars and assassins are taught to see the world at is it, tho the templars are cynical but realistic, while assassins are hopeful but naive.
>>743325871Prey (2017) does have a somewhat similar plot twist at the end and it's actually quite well executed >memory implantation and deletion are crucial motifs throughout the game >the protagonist has had that done to them so many times over the years that they basically lost and reconstructed their sense of self multiple times by this point>at the end it is revealed that you weren't even viewing the events from the perspective of the protagonist all this time, but from the perspective of a member of the antagonist faction who had the protag's memories of the events implanted into them to see whether they can understand their perspective better
So not only do you ignore where Ezio explains what it means in detail, but you also ignore the entire point of the first game and Altair's development.Why do you comment confidently on things you don't know about?
>>743322653>wtf were Ubisoft thinking?The Animus isn't a Creed machine, it is syncing genetics to see what happened. Your sync score is based on how close it is to the real events that happened.
>>743321921>If I don't have a book telling me what is moral how could I possibly know!There is no objective morality without a divine arbiter.If you disagree then you do not know what the word objective means.
Christians are kinda chill. God bless them, fr on God.
>>743315459>>743315574>>743317028>>743317558>>743317703Wrong. It's explained in the first fucking game retards. Altair's character arc consists of understanding these words.
>>743321332Yeah, played it recently and it genuinely feels extraordinarily mature when compared to the vast majority of games. No marvelquips, no heckin’ funny side characters, philosophical without being pseud, and for some reason, the assassination targets being rather ”regular” shitty people struck me hard. They don’t have overly complex background stories, they’re just people in positions of power drunk with power in petty ways (who also happened to be convenient targets for Al Mualim’s plot). I dunno, somehow they just felt like banal evil in a good way.
>>743324450underrated and sadly completely wasted on a Christian audience
>>743318031AC ended with ezio desu
>>743321201So many words to say nothing at all, lol.
>>743318031How can you describe consequences as glorious or tragic if morality is an illusion?
>>743328171What conclusion did he come to? It's been forever since AC1.
>>743315459some dharma buddha shit
Reminder that the Templar were the good guys.
>>743321576this, all the other theories here are just people pulling shit from their asses, it makes sense in the book(had to read it in hs)
>>743315459Satanism.
>>743315574>everything is permitted>... except for being a racist misogynistic chud that's literally worse than murder
>>743331612It depends on the era and which part of the world.In the Colonial era? 100%
>>743315459It means confusion. Nothing is true means that you cannot trust your senses and everything is permitted means "get lost", aimlessness.
>>743317028Atheists are the ones who don't believe in free will, it's all about le chemicals in your brain for you guys.
>>743317829>there's no objective truth and obey this [objective truth]Chickens: Wow
>>743317835Trump's behavior is explained in "Paradise Lost" which makes Lucifer be the hero and basically makes people pretend that they can decide reality narcissically, that "the mind is its own place". It's really funny how the leftoid narcissists kvetched for 10 years against Trump when they behave the exact same, they divorce, they break rules when they can they can get away with it, etc.
>>743324450lol
>>743315459You know what else makes everything permitted? Izzat farming.Assassins are Indians. If they can kill, they can rape and steal, after all only the winner matters.
>>743315459Ezio in revelations says this>to say that nothing is true is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile and that we must be the shepherds of our civilization.To say that everything is permitted is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.some fucking commie gobledygook>>743330876Well, In revelations Altair pretty much thinks men are retarded and corruptable, the apple is gay and the creed must be preserved.
>>743315459It means the world is a fantasy and because of that, everything is permitted. Though I haven't played one of these games in like a decade or more.
>>743320832Now that's just retard thinking.It isn't socially acceptable; you can do these things, but how you're looked upon and acted upon after using your free will to do these acts so others will do their acts toward you.
>>743315459It is meant to be that you are free and have critical thinking.
>>743333608Wow, so Indians are the water people from Futurama?
>>743321921>>743321978>2007s r/atheism type post. The argument is that if you don't have absolute morality you can justify everything. Which is true. The source for that is human history.
>>743315459You can lie rape and kill as long as it's to own the group you dislike.
>>743327749In your very post you provide an alternative (subjective morality). If your subjective morality needs a book to tell you killing is bad then you are clearly defective.
>>743334537if you need the fear of god to return the shopping cart, you are not a high-level person.
>>743334625subjective morality does not satisfy >how could I possibly know!Because it is by nature subjective. You can make seemingly obvious inferences but you can't build a framework of morality on a subjective foundation without it having countless pitfalls morally. Without an objective source of morality, all morality is simply fulfilling your desires. Even charity becomes selfish due to the motivation being to satiate a desire within yourself.
>>743318031Is this some kind of assassin's creed?
>>743315459Everything is fake is gayAnd thus anything can be possible There I summed it up in regard speak
>>743317992well Trump was in the files so it makes more sense for it to be him
you will own nothing and be happy
>>743315459It means that the assassins are fighting templar for nothingIf according to the assassins everything is permitted then it means the templar is permitted to operate their organization and impose their idea in any form that they want. This is catch 22 in their ideology that sounds appealing to people under 18 y.o. but extremely flawed to people older than 18 y.o. that is one reason, the other thing would be the perspective that comes from that statementThe wrongest thing from assassin ideology wasnt even about their ideology, but their persepctive where they thought that human are equal and everyone has the same level of intelligent and conscience and thus worth to be recognized (or assumed) in having the same level of personal responsibility with each other. In reality someone can just kill a passerby or random people in the street or sidewalks for nothing, and they could simply do it without any reason, or because they are not intelligent enough to identify that their victim is a human being, that they have life, that everything in that situation could be avoided if the perpetrator is smart enough to assess the entire situation before they decided to kill people beforehand (this actually happened several times in yurop country btw). Templar knew about this inequality of people and tried to rule them to prevent human from living like an animal and tear each other out, but of course it was the templar who are wrong in here
>>743334034I think everyone knows you can do terrible things. Morality is all about the judgement of the action.So basically your point is that people have opinion.Wow so deep!
every law, rule or ethic is made up. you are free to do anything as long as you can do it. thats why its dangerous. its a warning, not a credo. thats why having a godlike artifact like the apple is dangerous, it gives the owner too much power to do anything he wants. man i wish this franchise didnt go to shit so hard. it wasnt ever even that good, most of the time its wasted potential. slivers of greatness can be felt every now and then, omly to fade with the next title
>>743315459You're not thinking enough like your Jewish overlords>everything is permittedThat doesn't mean "you can do anything you want", it means "anything you can do is something WE have allowed you to do"
>>743340612I wished that it was never infected by moralfaggot who tried to impose their version of moral in this game. Asscreed fell ever since they changed 'this game was made by people from different beliefs' to 'this game was made by people with different sexual orientation' in unity. We all know that <they> tried to impose their moral objectivism to everything
ubisoft stealth shill thread, you zoomers are retarded
>>743341213so what? I'd take ubisoft thread over skg thread anyday, atleast one has actual discussion for example
Atheoids are honestly cringe as fuck. The fedora tipping phase of the 2000s was really something. That richard dawkins guy they all worshipped, the out of africa hucksters that got blown the fuck out a few years later. I still cant believe that blatant pseudoscience was being pushed in public schools
