>40 year old virgin>surrounds herself with substitutes for children she never had>sleeps with Exile's lightsaber under her pillow>her femcel rage episode sets the plot in motion>indirectly causes the dealth of an entire planet
DID YOU HAVE FEELINGS FOR HIM?DID YOU TOUCH HIM?DID YOU LOOK UPON HIM WITH LOVE?
>>743315609I could probably fix her with my penis wenis
>>743315783nigger you can't fix your own sleep schedule.
>>743315850
>>743315609>sleeps with Exile's lightsaber under her pillowFun fact when you get your lightstaber back from her it comes with a vibration lens installed
>>743315850Damn roasted
>>743315609>Male Exile gets Handmaiden, Visas and Atris lusting after his dick>Female Exile gets Atton, Disciple and fucking Sion Jesus Christ
>>743315998not canon
>>743315609sigma woman cry more incel
>>743315850fuck you too
>>743316179women cry more than the average incel anyday
>>743315609>Playing Kotor2>Suddenly daily Kotor2 threads on /v/It is happening againIt is happening again
>>743315609I wish KOTOR2 were actually good but the game is so unfinished, even with RCM, it hurts.
Quintissential woman moment the character. Along with Shion
>>743316179>sigma woman>pass userget your axe wound back to lgbt board faggot.
>>743315609I just want the pretzels, see
>>743316026>female exile gets sion... really?
Fun fact: low influence unlock character progression just like high influence does. Make use of this knowledge as you see fit.
>>743315609Imagine how much she wanted the Exile to rape her when he visited the temple.
>>743315609I could have saved her but Kreia is too powerful and has even more rule 34 material than Brianna the Handmaiden
>>743316463She wore her robe see-through for him
>>743316602>for her
>mfw that whole Mira segment with Hanharr at the end of the gameWhat a waste of time
>>743316436>I hate you because you crawl within my head as she does, but your presence holds no thoughts, no teachings, you are just... there, unspoken. I hate you because you are beautiful to me. And in that weakness lies death.
Genuinely, what the fuck was her problem?
>>743315609So would a good dick down have fixed her?
>>743316946She valued personal autonomy in a galaxy where there's an objective intelligent design at work
>>743316946Not raped hard enough.
>>743316946The jedi council trolled her a bit too hard
>>743317008Only from Space Jesus
>>743316946She couldn't succeed at what she set out to do with her life so she projects her failure onto everyone around her
>>743316946Would you believe me if I said she's an even bigger femcel than Atris?>but she had sex!Words can change meaning over the passage of time, especially meme words
>>743317340Elaborate on that
>>743315609Sounds pretty based to me
>>743315609>>743315731>>743316602Can you fix her through sex sex sex?
>>743317129>gets raped by Sion's sandpaper dick>gets up 2 minutes later and orders an uber off Malachor
>>743315609How come women who stay single into their late years always go crazy while men are mostly chill as khv's?
>kotor 1baldu goatee revan>kotor 2jackie chanzilethese are the true paths
>>743317446see>>743315850
>>743317648i feel like both go insane because of this pretty frequently, but many don't
>>743316946She hated the idea that no matter what we did, there was an invisible force with its own agenda that manipulated us. I get it, desu.
>>743317728There is a reason the "crazy cat lady" stereotype has existed since forever while not having a male counterpart.
>>743317676I would work tirelessly to make her happy and until she accepted her feelings for me.
>Makes exact same thread as yesterday
>>743318034incel is often something like that though
>>743318223The incel stereotype is mostly about young men.
>>743318121Thanks for noticing. I was looking through my old screenshots yesterday, saw this >>743316602 interesting detail and couldn't get it out of my head.
>>743318307ya maybe, plenty of men and women don't go insane from being single forever/late in their lives though
>>743315731It's a testament to the writing that this seething jealousy still comes across as appropriately tragic.>harbor feelings for a close colleague, ones you cannot act on due to your orders tenets>they are unceremoniously ejected from said order, and your position required you to act against them>over the years, the emotions you felt and were never taught to properly handle become twisted>years later, the colleague is active again and you send a surrogate daughter to keep tabs on him>not only does she go over to his side, they fall in love>that little traitor gets everything you ever wanted>blinded by dark emotions and unable to accept things as they are, you decide that she has fallen to the dark side and must be eliminated>upon her return, she not only defeats her sisters in battle, but you as well>only then does the frustrated jealousy come to the surface
>>743316946She tried to teach self-actualization to Force users, but the Force is too powerful, pulling them to either end of the spectrum and driving them toward the extremes.
>>743315850Just drink a lot during the day and badda bing badda boom you're out for the night.
>>743316264ever since the sharty party I've noticed that trendI install DD2, suddenly daily DD2 threadsI think we may be the only two users left on 4chan, the rest are bots monitoring our Steam accounts and trying to spam us in every social media outlet we use
>>743317393Atris, at the end of the day, is mostly bitter toward one single person. These warped feelings eventually took a darker turn that affected the Jedi Order, but she didn't exactly harbor ill will toward the Order, she just thought she was the only one who could save it.Self-identified Femcels and Incels, while differing in several ways and usually having different beliefs, tend to have a single idea in common: life is not only unfair, it is *rigged.* Specifically, rigged against them.This much better describes Kreia, who is not bitter toward any single person, but is angry about the entire universe. She has become so obsessed with the idea that the game is rigged that she wants to flip the table and end it for good.
>>743318718The high road with occasional pragmatic diversions is the ideal path, she was just wrapped up in self-centered fence sitting.
>>743318983Good point. Not denying anything you said, but can Kreia's seething really be called femcel-ism in that case? I mean, you yourself are saying there's much more to her failures, why narrow it down to the term that's associated with sexual frustration. Why not call her something else.
>>743319483I'll admit that I was mostly just trying to start an argument, but since I've started I'll keep going.Another part of cel-ism is the idea that "its not my fault, my life is shit because of [insert designated group here]"When is the last time that you can recall Kreia taking accountability for her actions?>its not my fault my students keep becoming little shits, they did that on their own>its not my fault the Jedi kicked me out, they were just too narrow minded for my teachings>its not my fault the Sith back stabbed me and sent me away, they were just stupid dicks>you know whose fault it is? the fucking force, that's whoMemes aside, I cannot tie any of this into sexual frustration (maybe she would have been happier if she settled down with that Echani soldier and raised the hand maiden?), so femcel still would not be accurate. Bitter Old Hag is probably the best description.
>>743318491Worse characters were given a chance at redemption in Kotor 2 (Tobin comes to mind), but Atris was denied hers, I wonder why. Was the reason as simple as dev crunch and story cuts.
Imagine getting cucked by your fake daughter
>>743320059I replayed KOTOR2 recently and was struck by how tragic she was. Even in a good run and you forgive her, she goes right back to talking to the Sith holocrons. What really got to me was how the holocrons responded; how bad does your life have to be that the ancient Sith spirits/minds/whatever are genuinely sympathetic and have a quasi pep talk with you after your ambitions and plans fall to waste? They even ask her if she told the Exile how she really felt.>Was the reason as simple as dev crunch and story cutsWe'll never know. Just like we'll never know what KOTOR3 made by peak Obsidian would have looked like.
>>743319895>Bitter Old HagThat works. But I have an entirely different line of thinking for you. What if Kreia, just like other girls, was in love with the Exile, or with his force bond vortex, and her force teleology and intelligent design ramblings were simply an old hag rationalization of that love? It all gets a bit recursive and messy - the force makes her love and dealing with her feelings she decides the force is responsible for her love and consequently for everything else - but it's an interesting though to entertain.
>>743316946>Genuinely, what the fuck was her problem?Bitter old hag that was spited by both Orders and sought to destroy them both, to prepare the galaxy and the inevitable Nu-Jedi spawned by the Exile for the war with the Sith. She was playing a role to get back at both Jedi and Sith for betraying her.>>743318491>>harbor feelings for a close colleague, ones you cannot act on due to your orders tenetsATRIS was the one who preached that Marriage and Love within the Order should be forbidden,she betrayed HERSELF. Do not blame the Jedi.KOTOR 2 is absolutely chock FULL of these completely retarded women.
>>743315731Lol what a femcel>>743315850Rekt
>>743320482The Sith holocrons latched onto Atris not entirely subdued passion and fed into it. But could Atris's fall be avoided if she wasn't as lonely as she was and someone else to share her thoughts and feelings with? The loneliness is another aspect of her tragedy.
>>743321151Atris literally made her own bed and laid in it. The Jedi of her time were cowards and idiots, but she was one of the bigger cowards and an even bigger idiot.Nothing could've prevented her fall because she was too afraid to confront the truth.
>>743320721I think that Kreia did love the exile, not romantically, as much as one may joke, but something closer to a favorite student, or like a mother and her child. Hell, Sion seemed to think so>I will bring his corpse to her, cast it at her feet. It will be as if killing her children. I will kill all she protects, all she shields, until her hands are drenched in bloodNot to mention how she says she would have burned down the galaxy for you, among other things.>>743320836Funny enough, if we go by the comics lore that kind of inspired the KOTOR games, the Jedi ban on romance wasn't in place yet. So she kept her feelings quiet even when she didn't need to.>>743321151Alternatively, maybe her fall began before she even set eyes on a Sith holocron. To fall is such a quiet thing, after all. but far worse is to admit it
>>743316946Both the Sith and Jedi are fundamentally flawed and she's mad about it and taking it out on god.
>want to play guardian>no skills bros?
>>743318491>himExile's a girl
Visas best girl
>>743321329>Nothing could've prevented her fallEven picrelated?
>>743316946I firmly believe Kreia wasn't actually stupid enough to think killing the Force was possible, let alone a good idea. I truly think she was just playing the role of a psychopath that needed to be stopped so that the Exile would not spare her. The most important lesson a Jedi needs to learn is how to euthanize someone.
>>743321612yeah, I don't care what some shitty novel said years after the fact. It doesn't make near as much narrative sense.
>>743318491Would dick fix an evil woman or sith lord?
>>743321656If only we could do something like this with Atris
>>743321692That does seem to be the implication going by her final words. Hell, if you forgive her she basically admits she genuinly wanted to hear that but still attacks you because she feels she has to. Entire game seemed to be a effort by her to play the role of the teacher to fix the Jedi (Though she failed utterly going by the MMO and prequels).
>>743315850damn dog you didn't need to go that far
>>743321658Yeah, if the Exile reciprocated. Do you think the Exile liked Atris?If the Exile didn't reciprocate Atris would've fell faster, kek
>>743321726Sith women are used to rape. Only way to beat them is genuine love. Handholding is anathema to the dark side.
>>743321825>Do you think the Exile liked Atris?In that picture the Exile is literally saying that he did.
>>743315850I JUST LIKE TO SLEEP DURING THE DAY OK?!
Do Jedi women breastfeed babies that are taken in by the order? Asking for a friend.
>>743317648Men kill themselves or end up in prison before they can get to that point.
>>743316946The Force is objectively evil and cosmic horror tier shit. Everyone is enslaved by it and nothing can be done to stop its will. You are expected to abide by what it demands as balance even if it means everyone dies by it. You dont even get super powers 99% of the time. Only the Chosen get those. If youre some backwater shitter youre still going to die at its whim to resolve some cosmic equation it enforces through its army of sexually repressed dorks in robes who will cut your arms and legs and head off if you try to stop it.
>>743322041Force is created by people though.It has a will, sure. But that will is a reflection of the people that created it.
>>743322071Im sure that mattered a lot to Uncle Ben when the Force decided it was time for Luke to be a man and he and his wife were turned into Halloween skeletons. Hey, at least the will of the force was satisfied.
>>743322156That wasn't done by force sensitive people though. Stormtroopers did it because they are bad people, and that in turn fuels the dark side.
My game keeps crashing on the fucking ship mini-gun segments again...
>>743321803>Though she failed utterly going by the MMO and prequelsShe arguably didn't even fall, the MMO Jedi and beyond needed to be warriors to hold off the Sith and they succeeded greatly in that, driving them to near-extinction. The Prequels Jedi were tangled up in politics and being Senate lapdogs, but that doesn't mean that they weren't extremely close to actually putting the kaboosh on this millennia long war between Jedi and Sith - the Jedi post-Kreia were actually very much accomplishing Kreia's desire of seeing this endless War between Jedi and Sith come to a close--and Luke's Order in Legends would've made Kreia wet herself and swoon.
>>743321487Play sentinel -> weapon master. If you desperately need force jump there is a robe for that. Guardians in second kotor don't get attack bonuses over other two classes so other than force jump there is no reason to pick it
>>743315609>>40 year old virgin>>surrounds herself with substitutes for children she never hadSo she's a nun.
>>743322330>and beyond needed to be warriors to hold off the Sith and they succeeded greatly in that, driving them to near-extinction.Fair. It's mostly just that the order is repeatedly shown as still being pretty flawed. Though I guess that's unavoidable no matter how hard you try.>and Luke's Order in Legends would've made Kreia wet herself and swoon.At the same time, I'm sure she's very happy she doesn't exist in Disney canon. I should read legacy sometimes. Want to do a tabbletop rpg campaign and I want it to take place either during a mostly unexplored time period or after all established canon.
>>743315850Annihilated this tranny freak
>TotJ>the Sith left behind exactly one (1) holocron, filled with Actual Ancient Sith ghosts, used up by Exar Kun>Kotor 2>not even 50 years later and the only other Sith have been Revan, Malak, Bandon and the Dark Jedi simps of their "Sith Empire" but now Atris has a room full of Sith holocrons that speak Actual Ancient Sith
was kotor 2 the last star wars game with a proper ayy pc option?
>>743315609and she was a good friend
do you need to play the first game to play the second? I was always more interested as the premise of the second game.
Which female Exile does Sion find beautiful?
>>743322840Somewhat? It's understandable enough, but a lot is lost. It also spoils a lot of the first game.The main reason to play 2 first is that the modern PC version of 1 is complete ass while Kotor 2 is actually pretty good.
>>743322694lmao that portrait is terribleRevenge of Revan lets you plays as a Twilek afaik
>>743322041>The Force is objectively evil and cosmic horror tier shit.I don't understand how people still think this nonsense, it's fundamentally at odds with the setting lmfaoFree will and the Force's "Will" co-exist, Free Will is what even allows Sith to be a thing because Sith are defined by their desire to completely dominate and control the Force's Will, like a resource or a beast of burden.
>>743322840It's important in the sense that you need to understand that only a few years prior there was a huge war that split the Jedi Order into pieces and is directly responsible for everything that happens in 2's plot but strictly speaking, no. 2 explains the pertinent points well enough. The specifics of what happened in 1 don't matter, only the setup to what caused 1.
>>743322840it helps with some backstory stuff but i wouldn't say it's super necessary, you get caught up on the state of the galaxy in the prologueit also spoils the twist of the first game in said prologue but pretty much everyone knows what it is by now anyways
>>743316946She loved me, that was her problem
>>743323065>it also spoils the twist of the first game in said prologue but pretty much everyone knows what it is by now anywaysWhile you are correct. You'll be surprised sometimes by what people don't know.
>>743317650>kotor1Longhaired chad>kotor2Jedi JesusEverything else is wrong
>>743322925slim pickings when i was looking for mods and that was the best 'unique' model i could findthe others were just the npc twi'leks
>>743323117I think any people who is a proper gamer knows about the twist, it's the "vader is luke's father" of star wars games. It's something known by many even people who have not played the game.
>>743323127>Longhaired chadMullet man?
>>743323127I wanted to play long haired guy in 2 too but they made him giga brown for some reason, leaving gooks as the remaining dark haired options. Tough choice
>>743323161There's a good unique hi-poly remodel of Mission on deadlystream, easy to import in K2 if you're already modding + you already have her portraits.
>>743323087Shes a fucking liar, she killed me like 6 times during the final boss fight.
>>743322840Kinda. The game really loves to reference Revan and his exploits, but also at the same time recontextualizes a lot of characters and events from KOTOR 1.Also, it's fun to see how differently Obsidian interpreted some characters from the previous game, like HK47. In KOTOR 1, he was just a funny murderdroid and every conversation with him was about how he killed his previous owner in a whole chain of owners.In KOTOR 2, he essentially becomes the mouth of Revan and is much more ponderous and philosophical.
>>743323424Well there must also always be a Lich King, the two are hard to reconcile
>>743321487All you need is Awareness and Persuade. Have a scoundrel/sentinel party member with 16+ int max out every single other skill.If you want to be good at shit other than killing pick a different class.Class doesn't matter anyway since after level 8 or so you basically have infinite defense and force points and can steamroll the game with just the MC on difficult.
So, which one of those shitheads did the Star Wars deconstruction better?The joke is that Avellone apparently hates The Last Jedi, because he thinks Johnson isn't clever enough for a deconstructive take on Star Wars.
>>743323230It was such a good twist, though. I knew it was coming and I was still impressed.
Problem: The Sith in Deep Space are powerful and will run circles around the RepublicRevan's Solution: Conquer the Jedi and the Republic by extension and make them warmongers, essentially turning them into Dark JediAtris' Solution: Use the Jedi as bait to lure out the Sith and then kill them (???)Kreia's Solution: Kill all the Cowardly Jedi and train one Jedi who could survive without the Force into the next GrandmasterOld Republic Jedi were utterly mindbroken by the mere THOUGHT of the Sith kek
>>743323853I have a soft spot for the Last Jedi but the story is a complete mess and when it comes to actual plotting and dialogue the movie feels like a very poor first draft.Kotor 2 has plenty of problems, and is very unfinished, but it does do a better job of actually deconstructing Star Wars on top of actually having a decent plot. It helps that it was going off a much better rehash of the original trilogy in Kotor 1, but still.
>>743323853johnson deconstructed it because he's a petty, spiteful little man who broke his toy as a child because he's a retardat least avellone had something interesting to say about it, even if you dislike the message in kotor 2 everything kreia says can be interpreted as her just saying bullshit to get the exile to kill her at the end
>>743323946Because it's revealed in an excellent, very cinematic way
>>743315609>>40 year old virginDamn she's just like me fr
>>743323983>Kotor 2 builds up the Deep space Sith as psychotically powerful and unstoppable.>SwTOR just makes them a mostly standard Empire ripoff that is basically kept afloat by their own espionage division. Different creators and all that, but still disappointing.
>>743323853Only saw TLJ once in theaters 9 years ago but Avellone is probably right
>>743316946Writer hated Star Wars. I wish it was a joke but thats what it was.
>>743323127Isn't the exile canonically a woman?
>>743323983iirc atris' plan was apparently to get them to strike so she could see what they were capable of and properly asses the threat unfortunately that was a shitty idea that got an entire planet and the majority of the jedi killed for no reason because she did nothing with the information she gained i think kreia just wanted to clean house with the order, the old masters were too unwilling to adapt to the changing situation and would happily destroy any chance of success that came their way because they personally didn't like it
>>743321612Nobody gives a fuck about what Disney thinks, they turned a media juggernaut into a TV series nobody watches.
>>743324135according to a book, yessaid book also had femexile having handmaiden as a crew member, which is impossible without mods
>>743324135Yes but they also made her travel with Handmaiden somehow, it's like they knew the male path was better, and really a woman general? Stupid
>>743317340You can just call her a loser. You aint gotta be a skibidi ohio rizzler about it.
>>743324017Funny since the whole "Flashing back to past foreshadowing" is normally rather trite.
>>743322041This guy broke the shitsney conditioning and sees the truth. The only good Star Wars writing can come from people like this.
>>743324130It's true, but in order to get the story right, Avellone read a shitton of SW novels, so that he actually knows what the fuck he's deconstructing. And eventually he did grew to appreciate Star Wars if only because he got hooked.
>>743324130>Writer hated Star Wars>Made his mouth piece the main villain of the story.More people should do that, frankly.
>>743324147Atris only lured Nihilus fleet out, not the Sith Empire. Separate entities.
>>743321791I was ready to write my own fanfiction about how the Exile wpuld have taken Atris with him to get the crazy out of her by adventuring around the galaxy. I didnt because i cant write dialouge but it is a work of fiction so i can edit my perferred outcome onto it.
>>743324426I'd read it, seriously.
>>743324336He came around to it in the end but most people dont read their theologies to even get a grasp on what these Jedi or Sith would do. It is unfortunately Avellone so he kinda can tell one vibe of a story.
>>743323853KOTOR 2.To do a deconstruction you have to understand something, love it even.Meanwhile to smear shit on it and go 'Harhar, me am the big brain, can tell by shape of head!' you don't have to understand anything.
>>743324135Yes and no. The "canon" way is actually impossible to achieve in game without mods or cheats. Exile was canonically a female... that was travelling with Brianna for one.
>>743324691>love it evenWhich is funny, because Avellone didn't even like Star Wars. But he was actually determined to understand Star Wars, so that he can write a good, deconstructive story in the setting.That's a very professional approach.
>>743324094My cope is that they probably had those uber powerful "True Sith" are the start of the War but they slowly got whittled down by the Republic knowing that if they send a strike team in to kill the 'Massively powerful Sith Lord' entire swathes of the Empire get instantly routed. Couple that in with the Sith actively betraying one another and getting redeemed by Jedi Saars and you have an almost entirely non-functional Empire that can only strike at the Republic for about 4 years before all the 'True Sith' are dead.
>>743324640Thank you, that means a lot. It would be a lazy affair of recycling old star wars rpg adventures.
>>743318820Do you like ice cream, Anon?My favorite is vanilla.
>>743315609star wars is loosely based on real life space wars and space politics hundreds of millions of years ago as all religions and cultures are eventually talking about in their stories. i've only watched like two star wars films and i don't know the whole story, but women making entire planets destroyed was a thing.abraxas (demiuge's son working within the orion empire) became huge and took control of all money, military, education, politics, and entertainment (SOUND FAMILIAR?) in the orion empire and the people's lifespans started becoming shorter from the long, orion lives they used to live. abraxas was also a brilliant scientist and found that extracting the life essence of souled humans extended their lives again so he turned it into an elixir. he presented it to the orion queens -- whose lives were also getting shorter -- and convinved them of seeding entire planets of life just to extract this life essence. it's where "loosh" comes from.jedi order is the kadistu order. if you look that up, the only accurate link you'll get is a soundcloud of a band who no one knows about. that's how they play off major things. they always turn into obscure bands on soundcloud who nobody listens to so it can just sit therehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGervruyLkQ
>>743324950That could work.Either that or they all got killed by Revan before he was jailed.
>>743323263Yes, Mullet Man and Jedi Jesus, the only two options.I dont remember any other face.
>>743324950The "True Sith" is just a rehash of the original Golden Age of the Sith/Great Hyperspace War Sith Lords. Sith Lords of the Sith species like Naga Sadow, innately born into the Dark Side and not fallen Dark Jedi like Revan and Malak. Naga Sadow was immensely powerful in the Force with abilities nobody could recreate a thousand years later, like personally summoning a whole illusionary fleet to bolster his forces, while still being just a mortal man you could reasonably kick about in a duel in a CRPG.The big twist on the original plot would be that the new version of Ludo Kressh won the argument of what to do about the Republic, and the New True Sith waited in the shadows to disrupt the Republic from afar rather than wade right into war hoping the element of surprise would carry them to victory.
>>743321612Incorrect.Exile is Space Jesus, anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
>>743325605>like personally summoning a whole illusionary fleet to bolster his forceGuess Palaptine eventually learned that.
>>743325647BASED knower.
Come to think of it, why is it always the Republic (for the good guys) and the Empire (for the bad guys)? Is Star Wars universe incapable of creating other forms of goverments? I dunno, like kingdoms, theocracies and whatnot?
>>743325669Disney canon is not canon.
>>743318820sichozophrenia is adult onset almost alwaysthis is just your latent schizophrenia manifesting, i'm so sorry bro.stay strong
>>743325714>theocraciesThe Empire IS a theocracy. Alderaan and Naboo were monarchies. Hutt space is a loose conglomeration of powerful warlords. The Corporate Sector is a corporatocracy.
Kotor 2 drinking game: take a shot every time someone says "echo" or "echoes"
>>743325950Kotor 1 prologue drinking game: take a shot every time someone says "Endar Spire"
>>743325950I am still salty she's not fuckable without a mod.
Would HK47 actually be strong enough to kill Jedi and Sith by himself or is he all talk?
>>743318491>themExile is a man. Space Jesus to be precise.
>>743321656>romance Visas>Handmaiden chimps the fuck out and stops talking to you>goes crazy and kills Visas at the of the gameSheesh
>>743324935The whole "To believe in something you have to be willing to betray it" thing is straight up facts.No one is as critical of something as the nerd who is deeply into it.If you just consume the slop then that doesn't make you a fan, engaging with it, challenging it, asking shit like "So are droids people? If so did Luke own slaves, since that's kind of fucked." is proof you paid attention to it, engaged with it, want to know more about it, ect.
>>743326301>>goes crazy and kills Visas at the of the gametslrcm, not canon
>>743326086You can pimp her bratty ass to the hutt >>743325691 as a punishment
>>743316946silence witch lest you find my hands around your neck
>>743326423My Visas killed herself as an act of love to save me from Nihilus. I didn't need her to do that, but I thought it was funny.Also, I played the "you can fix me" card on Brianna to turn her into the dark side and then told her to kill her sisters. All that just to fuck with Atris. And then I killed Brianna.Being evil in KOTOR 2 is a real treat.
>>743326247Yes, he speaks in kotor 1 how he has done it multiple times.
>>743326247As far as game mechanics go, yeah he destroys them. Maxed Precise Shot feats + high attack bonuses from droid items + not biologic so he can't be stunned/choked/feared/etc, and a d12 hitdice so he's got fuckloads of HP to tank storms/waves.In a movie he probably wouldn't be able to beat one in a straight fight because he has no real world counters for Force Push/Pull.
>>743326673He also gives you a whole spiel how to kill a Jedi in KOTOR 2. He's actually quite clever about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeI4mX8Nus
>>743315850Its not about the sleep brah.
>>743326247His entire explanation of Revan's "How To Kill Jedi" primer was that the best way to kill Force users is to completely negate the advantages given to them by the Force and their lightsabers. As a droid any Jedi is blind to his presence and intention, giving him a massive advantage in just shooting one in the back.
Someone in the boomer Jedi council probably got keked by a fellow Master and turned to the dark side hence why they banned all 'attachments'
>>743327630>why they banned all 'attachments'No, in 2000's George Lucas was just going through a very nasty divorce, and that's why he came up with that stupid rule that makes no sense.
>>743327696>based on eastern religions where the number one rule is "attachment causes suffering"clearly it's the divorce tho
>>743327696it's just an extension of the buddhist-taoist eclecticism of the original trilogy
>counsilor >"be aware playing as this class is hard">literally steamroll everything with force lightning Wtf did Obsidian mean by this?
>>743327696I wonder if that had anything to do with him Boba Fett-ing one of the coolest things ever put in Star Wars?
>>743322840Just look up who's Revan and that's it.
>>743317970I am going to make her a mother of six
>>743322840I played it first way back in the day and didn't have any issues. Characters give quick rundowns on anything important, and a lot of the plot they talk about is completely made up for the game so you'd be learning it for the first time anyway.
>>743323127Luke Chadwalker
>soulpatch man>dark side>consular force blaster
>>743323127Nope. Soulpatch man is Revan.
Man i really tried to like the game but the mining station was such a slog, i only got to the intro of the next city before voices start bugging out and it instant skipped the texti should give it a try again purely to have SEXO with that pale aryan chick, what class/weapon is a noob trap that should NOT be picked?
>>743328393peragus is fine, and telos station is alright, although both of them are much more digestible if you know what you're supposed to be doing it's telos surface that's the real slog
Mine PRIMED AND READY
>>743328504Telos surface is at least beautiful with the skybox mod
>>743328393>i only got to the intro of the next city before voices start bugging out and it instant skipped the textThat happens whenever you're playing a lot in a single session, iirc it starts after about an hour or so.>what class/weapon is a noob trap that should NOT be picked?All weapon types are powerful, but the true noob trap is dual wielding before taking the feats for it. I think the only class that's rightly considered bad is the Jedi Master prestige class, and even then it's not bad-bad, it's just not broken as fuck like everything else.
>>743327915Nah, that's an entirely separate issue. He basically wanted the CIS to be a group of cowardly patsies who didn't have a single virtue between them.Dooku? Secretly a Klansman.Grievous? Coward who had lightsabre envy.Nute Gunray? In the Epstein files.Ect, ect.He didn't want it to be "Oh there's legitimate points on both sides", he wanted a flawed democracy vs Babyeater McGee
There is not a single "Unwinnable" build/class, game is easy as fuck even if you are extremely retarded at planning perks/character stats
Dxun was my favorite since it's as close to being a Mandalorian as you can get in KotOR
Are you a power stance chad or a dual wield simp?One big attack or several wimpy strikes?
>>743327914You can build it wrong.Guardian and Sentinel are basically idiot proof.
>>743328695>He didn't want it to be "Oh there's legitimate points on both sides"Which is a damn shame because the "heroes on both sides" angle was always more interesting to me.
>>743323853a 'deconstruction' is being very kind to TLJ. its more like a big middle finger to anyone who gives a shit.
>>743328393>what class/weapon is a noob trap that should NOT be picked?jedi guardian, ironically enough. kotor 2 classes all have full attack bonus per level so you get consular with full melee capability but fewer feat, sentinel also full melee but significantly better saves for i think 1? fewer feat then guardian with full feat, shit saves, and nothing for force powers beyond that initial jump attack
>>743327914It doesn't say it's hard, it says "Advanced players", ie someone who knows what the spells do, or is prepared to read them all as they play. There are also a bunch of optional fights throughout the game that ban you from using the Force.
>>743329051Guardian still has a higher hitdice. Consular has almost half the max HP of a Guardian, d6 vs d10.
>>743328867Pure STR single blade Shien critical strike
>>743315609We call that a 'woman moment'.
>>743325157ya ice cream i love that stuff
>>743315731>be Woman>making the first, let alone second move is unnatural to you>be in a social "order" wherre making the first move is verbotten>be so high society and sophisticated that those worthy of you likely number in the double digits>one of the few people you liked and could have liked you back gets """exiled""" (they clogged all toilets in the Jedi Temple)>be immensely frustrated, only option is to be conquered>mathematically impossible since she's figuratively and literally too powerful for most people in the galaxy>lives as a NEET>waste genetic lottery so horribly that Sith chatbots with pre-programmed personality towards selfishness feel pity towards you>fail at that one thing almost literally all women have been at least relatively good at - be pleasant, get plapped, have a familylol, lmao evenimpeccable writting too
reminder the jedi exile is canonically a woman
>>743316946imagine if god was real and he was guiding everyone's fate directlyalso imagine christians and satanists having powers and regularly having religious wars
>>743329134it didn't even cross my mind to roll low con since the implants all rely on it now. game also hands you the war veteran feat to make the hp a lot more forgiving early on
>>743329289reminder that I don't fucking care about what some faggots that didn't actually write the game did to ruin it. Revan is a man, Exile is a man, end of story.
>>743329289Reminder Drew Karpyshyn is a seething faggot that got mogged by Avellone.
>>743329289Secondary sources are not canon. All that matters is my actions within the game.
>>743329289i don't care what anyone except the people who wrote the game say about the subject and they did not specify a canon.
>>743328867I did a blaster jedi playthrough once. I don't remember too much about it other than I thought it was pretty fun
>>743315850Too far
>>743329289i didnt even know there was a fem only companion in this game
>>743328867nobody plays a jedi without burst of speed, you penis even if only for the mobility boost. several attacks all day erryday
>>743329387>>743329413>>743329436this usually doesnt cause such seethe>>743329634if you play male you get the handmaiden, if you play woman you get whatshisface... the archivist?
>>743327915
>>743315850delete this
>>743329732Nobody cares what some faggot that never even actually had a part in the game thinks is "canon" you retarded transsexual.
Reminder that the KotOR 2 trailer specifically refers to the Exile as a male several times.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWczYfsDGVQ
>all this seethe and cope over whether the Exile is male or not>when you can simply use a mod to get handmaiden on your party as a fem Exilebtw Atris still loves you as Fem!Exile meaning forbidden lesbian Jedi love, and you get funnier dialog with Atton. The only reason to be this defensive is because you're self-inserting... You're not self-inserting into a Star Wars game, are you anon?
>>743315850bodied
>>743327980Only if the force says it's okay.
>>743330285>You're not self-inserting into a Star Wars game, are you anon?I tried but it never works. I just can't be a jedi and myself in most cases. I'm reminded of when I was a troubled kid and teachers would compare me to Luke or other Jedi. Decades later and I still feel inadequate.
>>743330285the only part of kotor 2 worth self-inserting into is the twi'lek duo assassins
>>743316946She was right.
>>743330285If you have to mod over the superior follower from the better side of KotOR2 then it's simply not canon.Nobody cares to do the opposite with the Jedi scholar, whatever his name is, by the way.
>>743330285i'm not a woman so i don't play women, simple as.
>>743329927a female exile also shows up in TOR
>>743330614TOR wasn't made by obsidian
>>743330614>Caring about the lore of an MMONot even people that play MMOs care about the lore of MMOs.
>>743330614TOR sucks cock and ruins Revan. Kill yourself.
>>743330735FF14 exists
>>743330385I dont wanna ask the force dammit
>>743330614You seriously need to consider necking yourself. I cannot imagine how pathetic your life has to be to kowtow to Disney’s retarded retcons.
>>743331289Ah yes the Disney retcons of an RPG book and MMO from before Disney's acquisition of the franchise in 2015
>>743331395disney bought lucasfilm at the tail end of 2012 dummy
>>743330614TOR was only good in the trailers.
>>743315731>I'M NOT A SITHbut Atris, lightning bolts and red lightsabers are exclusively a sith thing
>>743321791When you beat Atris she calms down. Though unlike Visas there's no future of redemption for her just, ironically, exile
>>743323127Shaved head soulpatch Limp Bizkit Revan is the only true way
>>743331854Revan should look like Kane basically.Think about it.
>>743316026Karpyshyn is an eternal hack for that non canon book he wrote
>>743331895Malak already looks like Kane, Revan should look like Undertaker
>>743316946raped woman hates universe and tries to lilith maxbut secretly fetishizes it which is why she talks about her daughter in that weird way "do you ever wonder if she would cum if you held her down during your 'sparring'"
>>743329260>cannot / will not "settle" for anything less>actively plays a role in kicking out the good men from her life>her entire story arc is her physically unable to apologize to herself, let alone her love interest>REEEEsI'd say it's a portrayal of modern women but plenty will disagree about the "modern" part
>>743328367>>743331854You get it. It's, in fact, very funny to think of the Jedi council shaving Revan's shit up so he doesn't recognize himself. I like to think Bastila decided on the style.
a part of me is still there general...at Malachorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>743316462Are you telling me I can insult everyone until they become jedi?
>>743332642Did he mean literally?
>>743332642the shipssss
>>743332642
>>743332642Love this little fella.
>>743332861lol
>>743328695To be fair, Nute Gunray was never depicted in a good light anywhere.
>>743328943What's even funnier is that "heroes on both sides" is from the title crawl of episode 3, meaning George actually did intend for the CIS to be sympathetic, at least as far as Dooku was concerned
>>743326997I don't want to go on too much of a tangent, but this is why the clones and order 66 originally worked so well. The clones are bred as perfect soldiers who follow orders without question or emotion. It was the Jedi's mistake to trust them thinking they behaved like humans, because the second the order came down to eradicate the Jedi there was no shock, no feeling of betrayal or fear or hatred, simply empty obedience. Just another day at the office for Commander Cody, banter a bit with the general, return his property, assassinate him, back to shooting droids. Foloni's chips were so damn unnecessary.
>>743333642And that's fine if it was just him.They really needed at least some good people on the side of the CSA. Empire in the original trilogy comes across as more sympathetic since a lot of the officers seem to have at least some sense of duty and honor.
>>743334003The chips were a good thing. Clones aren’t programmed droids. It is completely unnatural, borderline impossible, to fight a war with the same people for 4 years straight and not develop the sort of comradeship that would make you think twice before executing a friend.It is not a “day in the life of” to get told to fucking shoot your friend and brother in arms in the face you psycho, kek. Chip-deniers need to be institutionalized.
>>743334276Dooku is only a bad guy if you sympathize with aliens.
>>7433342933d clone wars was a mistake for precisely this reasonit made too many people think clones have soulsthey don't. Even if they did, they're clones of one of the most morally bankrupt men in the universe
>>743334293The plot of people being brainwashed so deeply they act completely contrary to their normal personality just from receiving a codeword is older than you are
>>743334293But it's explicitly stated in Attack of the Clones that this was their specific purpose. They follow orders, and the orders are to kill whatever the Chancellor points at. This is why in the movies, which are the only things that actually matter, by the way, they are never given personalities. There's never a scene where Anakin confides in his clone friend, who tells Anakin stories of being scared during clone army school. It's a fake war being fought on both sides by mindless drones controlled by the same guy as a trap to draw the Jedi in. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
>>743316946She's a JRPG protag in a setting where you can't kill the Demiurge
>>743334572Cody gets a name.
>>743334572>in the movies, which are the only things that actually matter, by the wayThe extended universe mogs the movies so hard it's unreal.
>>743334514dooku hating ayys is entirely an eu creation anyways because they made the emprire racist (despite the fact that their leader was cool with ayys)
>>743334572>This is why in the movies, which are the only things that actually matter, by the way, they are never given personalities. >they are never given personalitiesYou blithering retard. Chip-deniers are the worst.
>>743334968Palpatine was only cool with ayys because being a diversity loving hippy was cool in the Republic.
>>743315609I can fix her. Hags are my specialty.
this game's depiction of a receding empire giving up territories due to bloat and bureaucratic gerontocracy is extremely prescient
>>743334003I'll be nicer than my contemporaries and justify the chips in this manner: Star Wars at its core, writing-wise, is a tragedy, a space opera. The Prequels especially details the tragic failures and falls of the Republic, and that there are several innocent victims who were manipulated by puppet masters to orchestrate the Jedi and the Republic's demise. The Clones are one of those victims.Think about being completely bred for war, treated like disposable killing machines by your surrogate parents, raised in laboratories and robbed of any semblance of a normal life, and the only beings in the entire galaxy who treat you as more than mere cannon fodder are supernatural beings who can see past the crude matter and gaze upon your individuality - people who you are now tasked with fighting alongside, dying alongside. MOST Jedi made every opportunity to mitigate Clone deaths in the height of the Clone War - it's one of the tenets of their Order.Now if you can put yourself in those shoes, imagine you're given the order to execute these people. And then execute children that would've grown up into these people.Would you?
Pew pew jedi freak.
>>743335301The writing in general is really well done. KOTOR2 would be one of my favorite games ever, were it actually finished.
>>743315850Kek
>>743335487>t. friendless Imp propagandist
>he doesn't believe in the G0-T0 Golden Path
>>743335212Did you know Kreia is only 50 years old in KOTOR2?She looks ancient but in truth she's barely middle-aged
>>743335676IRIDONIAN, MIGHT I HAVE A MOMENT?
>>743335782checks out with how brutal aging with the dark side is
>>743335676I love G0-T0's concept of a character who will do literally fucking everything to ensure the long-term viability of the Republic, even if it means being a terrorist in the present. I feel like that concept could work in more settings than just KOTOR.
>>743316946Jedi and Sith are both turbo faggots and the force keeps causing problems so she wanted to dunk on the whole system.
>>743334293You're acting as if a clone would have the same inhibitions and morality as an average twenty something human soldier. They wouldn't. Each clone is barely ten years of life experience crammed into a twenty something year old body with a mind that's been flash trained for warfare, fully indoctrinated to republic propaganda, and genetically tailored for just the right amounts of obedience and aggression needed in a soldier/slave. That's not the recipe for a well balanced or morally righteous individual and kaminoans didn't give a shit, their job is to follow orders and bite it by the millions without a complaint. The brain chips are and always have been a copout so that the literal children watching the clone wars didn't shit their pants in confusion when the good guys started killing the other good guys.
>>743325605>Ludo KresshWhat's next, Kino Kressh?
>>743318808how underage are you? thats the easiest way to break your sleep.
>>743337529I'm old and tired enough that sleep doesn't come during the evening unless I force it.
>>743317340>Words can change meaning over the passage of time,Doesn't relieve you of the fact the word is being used incorrectly at present.
>>743335592its still top 10 for me
>>743335592restored content mod helps a lot with that
>>743337715try melatonin. im pushing 40 and been drinking for 20, booze doesnt ever fix sleep or give good sleep, its just oblivion that barely rests the body.
I only have sleep problems when I'm a lazy cuntif youre tired youre sleepy, simple as
>>743315850joke's on you, I'll be getting a job soon and then I won't be able to have a fucked up sleep schedule
>>743341154work in a bar for longer than a month and you'll never be able to get a good sleep pattern back
>>743326721>straight fightYeah and HK-47 himself says that's retarded anyway. Any director worth his salt would have him rely on mines to get the job done.
>>743317446Can adept force user make you feel like you're getting wookie penis in every orifice at once?
>>743344505Fucking kill me. My just desserts for phoneposting
>>743344505FUCKING RETARD KEKKKK
>>743344505Haha look at this fag
>>743334293You and numerous other people truly undersell the concept of duty/loyalty to a higher form of organization or even ideal or religious branch and how it can divide or even nullify friendships. The Clones first and foremost loyalty was to The Republic. The Republic's continued existence in the face of armageddon, splintering civil war, corruption, conspiracy, dissension, the clones were its first line of defense. The Chancellor embodies EVERYTHING they were taught to protect. Think about it, if the fat orange retard told every military man to start killing people they even mildly suspect of disagreeing with him, would they do it? You bet your ass they would, even if they were friends, family, sick, old, weak, innocent.
>>743330385>Only if the force says it's okay.The force is my penis and it says yes.
>>743344505
>>743322041>Everyone is enslaved by it and nothing can be done to stop its willThere is an entire quadrant of the Galaxy where the Force simply does not exist. Not only that but species from said Galaxy are either entirely immune to it or very resistant to its effects and I don't just mean mind tricks.
>>743322471Funny enough our group did a homebrew campaign in a between area of the canon like that. I ended up playing a sort of "Reverse HK-47" (instead of an assassin droid larping as a protocol droid, he was a protocol droid modified to be an assassin, one of the other PCs found him in a dump a few years prior to the game) with built in wrist laser-blades, very heavily inspired by 000(who is currently my favorite Star Wars character).His general modus operandi was slowly shuffling along like one norm ally would, and then when he went into kill mode, he would drop to the ground on all fours and leap at them while making a horrible shrieking noise. Also at onme point due to a lucky roll, he was also apparently programmed at some point to be able to read Sith, which according to the DM is apparently insanely illegal.God that was a fun campaign.
>>743318491It's all her own fault. She literally had two chances to join the Exile when she wanted to, the first time when they ran off with Revan and she wanted to go, and the second time when they reappeared and she wanted to join them. Both times she chose to be a coward and deny herself.
>>743315850AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>743322840It helps you get more out of it. It's worth playing anyway, it's a great RPG. The comparison is also great. KOTOR 1 is a perfect Star Wars pulp space adventure of good vs. Evil with fun, likeable characters, KOTOR 2 is a much darker, ponderous deconstruction of Star Wars and the force, that still gives you option to play as the goodest good guy in Star Wars history.
>>743315609Fun facts:>Chris Avellone does not, in fact, hate Star Wars. He enjoyed his time with it and loves aspects of the lore and universe.>Said he enjoyed the darker parts of the old EU revolving around characters falling to the Dark Side, trying to walk that line and be "different" from usual Sith, but failing, while the good characters often had to suppress their emotions like soldiers in order to defeat the villains while keeping who they are intact.>Said he was trying to mimic the tone and feel of ESB with KOTOR 2. He had never watched any of the movies before working on the game, said that one was his favorite. >Said he used Kreia to comment on aspects of the universe he found childish and annoying, but also says she is fundamentally wrong at the end of it all.>Included lots of references and easter eggs to things about the setting he likes/found charming.>Said it was important that, despite being a deconstruction, the player still have the opportunity to be wholly a "Star Wars hero" and not have that be mocked or taken apart.
>>743335954>how brutal aging with the dark side isThat's always been inconsistent
>>743316946sex with kreia
>>743315850Holy fuck kek
>>743329051Strength maxxing, because you'll be raped in the final battle. All those guide about guardian maxing strength is played on easy difficulty i think. Your DC is too low even if you pump those with force power. Go dex and use finesse, you'll missing damage bonus at least enemy can't hit you
>>743331564This is one of the greatest lightsaber battle where Kao Cen Darach use the forbidden lightsaber trick that is turning off the other blade on double bladed lightsaber then turning it on when the enemy didn't notice
Apathy is death. Have you replayed the KOTOR games this year yet?
>>743348030Why is Nihilius in the Playstation has no games void
>>743347918>forbidden lightsaber trickI know they had to come up with a reason as to why nobody did Trakata in the movies but I really do wish they went with the "it's a retarded idea because Force Users can predict it happening and react fast enough to bisect your defenseless ass" reason instead of just calling it "forbidden" because now people insist it's some insta game-winning move.
>>743346937>Said it was important that, despite being a deconstruction, the player still have the opportunity to be wholly a "Star Wars hero" and not have that be mocked or taken apart.That's really respectable and I wish more people were like him.
>>743316941honestly a hilarious contrast, especially when atton holds a very similar sentimentimagine loathing mindreaders so much that you catch feelings for one and then seethe about how much mindspace she is taking up
>>743332642ᵍᵉnᵉʳᵃˡ
>>743328867dual wield faggotry all day, with regular and laser swords, real donut steele shitspecifically because of dlc bullshit in kotor 1 that gives you some busted kortosis attachments
>>743328178Audibly keked at this image.Legit thought I missed something in the story because it sounded like everyone (including a previous game or two character) "knew" the exile. Turns out it's just something you don't see happen, so I looked up something on Kotor 1 and got spoiled on its big plot point.Not that I really cared enough to play it, Kotor 1 is really slow and kinda weak.
>>743315850Brutal
>>743315850I just fixed mine 2 days ago, get fucked lmao
>>743315609I still wish the plotline where SHE turns out to be Darth Traya wasn't cut.
>>743316602Yeah, it's hilarious how much everything she does and says points to her both being madly in love and lust with the Exile.If you manage your conversations correctly you CAN finally get her to the point where her barriers break down for a bit and she asks:>Why didn't you come back for me?
>>743318034>while not having a male counterpartBecause throughout 99% of history potential incels would either:>join the clergy OR>die in a war as soldiers/knights
>>743348030I tried, but then I realized that I don't care about Star Wars anymore, because Disney killed my appreciation for it.
>>743318718She DOES ask one genuinely good question - why does the Force work for anyone who has the ability, no matter their methods, goals, mindset etc.?>Dark Side/Light SideSo there are two Forces? Or is it a mindless energy field? But then why Jedi babble on about "the will of the Force?"
>>743319895>>its not my fault my students keep becoming little shits, they did that on their ownShe is SUPREMELY PROUD of how Revan turned out, so you're wrong from the get-go.
>>743319895>>743320721Both of you forget that Kreia is Handmaiden's mother - she was married to an Echani general.
>>743316946She read the teachings of Darth Nietzsche
>>743346937>>743348201At the end of the Light Side path Kreia reveals her bigger plans - the people gathered by the Exile are the "True Jedi" the ones that were always supposed to constitute a more healthier and sensible Jedi Order.
>>743347239afaik dooku was an extremely rare kind of darksider where he only used it when he needed it and not 24/7 like the average sith/ dark jedior at least, he was in the eu, i know in nuwars he was doing all sorts of weird sith shit in tcw
>>743350083And then Lucasart/Bioware claim that female Exile was canon, even though one of the main themes of the game was the fucked up "love story" between Atris and the male Exile. That's some failure of the story comprehension.
>>743350083>If you manage your conversations correctly you CAN finally get her to the point where her barriers break down for a bit and she asks:>>Why didn't you come back for me?OOOOOFFFF
>>743350428I think it also should be pointed out that the Exile DID fuck up on his end, as well. He COULD have asked her is she wants to go with him into exile, and there's a non-zero chance she would've agreed.
>>743350248there is only one forcethe 'light side' does not exist in the films and was coined out of a misunderstanding that the force is taoist instead of universalthe 'dark side' is named as such because it's a corruption of the force, yes it's possible for some areas to naturally exist with it but those are generally pretty rare and don't really do anything on their ownyoda said it best, the force is supposed to be used for knowledge and defence, not to attackthe moment the force is used to harm someone for the sake of it, the moment it can easily be twisted into the dark side
>>743350457>>743350494See >>743321658The Exile is full of regret as well
>>743350551Being a jedi actually kind of sucks. You basically have to be an emotionless pacifist, otherwise you'll inevitably be corrupted by metaphysical forces into becoming an edgelord who looks like Satan.
>>743322840I'm going to be honest, I played the second game about a dozen times before ever playing the first. Seeing as how the second game was made by a different studio and is very much its own thing tonally, thematically, it kinda works. It kinda made playing the first game feel like playing a prequel or something. It still feels like that to me.
>>743348135It's almost as good as turning off your opponents lightsaber. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHjthe3LBQg
>>743350551>the moment the force is used to harm someone for the sake of it, the moment it can easily be twisted into the dark sideThis doesn't really make sense as the dark side of the force corrupts the user. It becomes more intoxicating the more you give into it. It seems in the movies and in most of the external media, it would be as if it's using you as its vessel, not the other way around.
>>743350428Personally I'd be fine with fem-Exile being canon if she had the option for the same romantic relationships as male-Exile.
>>743350012exile's force wound turning all jedi evil in their own particular way unless they completely stop using the force which none of them can do except kreia who is also independently evil already would have been kind of cool, but only because I think Atris is one of the only good dark jedi ever written for star wars.
>>743350012Wouldve been kino
>>743350923There is Darth Sion. I literally don't know what his point is, though.
>>743315609Whats wrong with being a 40 year old virgin? Born in 1986 here.
>>743350243Just do what I do and admit the disney star wars exists in an alternative Gay universe
>>743327696Obi-wan and Yoda were both unmarried old men, so maybe he felt the need to explain that they weren't gay somehow. We at least know Luke wasn't free from attachments, since he wanted to fuck his sister.
>>743350669this is not inherent in the original trilogy which is the only real canon though. this is the same fucking stupid plot literally everything uses for their religious orders or whatever. every single film or video or fantasy property uses this chaos corruption vs inflexible monks storyline, it doesn't need to be like that, it wouldn't be in real life, it's like some other poster mentioned earlier in the EU there's some corporate sector of space that's run by a "corporatrocracy" or whatever the real world is and that is why noone takes eu shit seriously you do not need or want to shine a light on everything that was never actually fleshed out
>>743351002Do you want to talk about it?
>>743350923I never played female in kotor desu, i didn't even know this whole atris thing was a big lore contentious issue but it makes sense, and you should get the same option
>>743328393The mining station is pure pazaak
>>743350243only thing that bothers me is I can't tell anyone I'm a fan without explaining I intensely hate every single movie outside of the OT and i can't do that because it's super autistic
>>743315850MAMMALS ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE MULTIPLE NAPS A DAY ACKSHUALLY MOM
>>743351181Kotor females had best butts in gaming at the time, you missed out
>>743318491>>years later, the colleague is active again and you send a surrogate daughter to keep tabs on him>>not only does she go over to his side, they fall in loveUh, Visas Marr is my wife actually, Handmaiden is just a colleague.
>>743351238I get where you are coming from. Thanks to some autistic people online, I am now afraid to admit I like Star Wars, because people will think I'm a sad incel.
>>743351264ya that's pretty good but I was playing the game to romance option my party a bit and don't play girls in video games
>>743351150doing fine. will die sexless, but at least i played kotor
why are kotor threads on v the only tolerable star wars discussion on the entire internet?
>>743351378because kotor invites the most creativity the rest of star wars is bound by the films, but with kotor they're so fuck off far away from them that you can do whatever you want and it won't affect the movies in the slightest
>>743351285>in working on a major expansion mod for KOTOR 2, I discovered that Handmaiden’s romance flag was never used, but existsDon’t worry briannabros, I got you… eventually…
>>743350012Her dark side outfit looks pretty stupid
>>743351181>>743350923Juhani in KOTOR is a canon lesbian.
>>743351583>snow white core no its cool
>>743351621you know what though the only things i remember about kotor 1 is being revan, fighting malak, thinking bastila was a cool name/character and her yellow lightsabre and battle meditation were cool
>>743351629Exactly, she looks like the snow white evil queen
>>743351657That’s honestly what most people remember and why they remember it so fondly. If you replayed it, you would be embarrassed by David Gaider’s extremely cringe reddit tier writing.
>>743351702i do not really remember kotor 1 fondly, i just rewatched the revan reveal after some anon earlier said it was a cool moment. it was, but malak's dialogue was horrible and i don't even like the design of malak he looks like he's 26 or something
>>743351657>>743351702KOTOR is essentially a retelling and expansion of the original trilogy, only Luke and Vader are smashed into the same character.
>>743351702I replayed it recently and thought it was genuinely funny, in the charming sincere way the original trilogy was funny, without modern smug irony or reddit self-consciousness
>>743351749kinda. it's really a shame because the actual basic story lucas had for the anakin prequels could have been just fine, great even, but every actual decision made was wrong and horrible. there shouldn't be that many jedi, they should not be 100% space monks that keep falling for the most on the nose "corruption" and "evil" that look nothing like real world examples of those concepts, and there shouldn't be so many aliens as jedi they should pretty much all be humans like in KOTOR not gay ass cgi shitlooking retarded lore wiki race garbage ass terrible shit
>>743351749Revan is Anakin, but he didn't die after turning to the Light Side.
>>743351851All your ideas are horrible and I'm glad Lucas wasn't as retarded.
>>743351885>revan is anakin revan is a whiny teenage-brained child mass murdering pregnant wife killing after falling to the dark side for her total retard???
>>743351885Revan is Anakin who has a functioning brain.
>>743351918>fewer stupid looking cgi alien jedi >fewer scenes like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwT4PX_fP9gya I'm retarded.
>>743351702I think people just remember the great plot twist and forget about how much of the dialogue felt like it was written by a 5 year oldKotor 2 did the first game a lot of favors by going more deeply into the character of Revan and his motivations. And you don't even see him in that game
>>743351851What's wrong with Aayla Secura?
>>743352117>And you don't even see him in that gameHK47 interestingly serves as his mouthpiece. It's a very clever usage of a character that has been a one-note joke in KotOR 1.
>>743352142doesn't fit the vibe of the original trilogy but i do like aspects of the design >slave leia ya but leia in permanent slave costume isn't supposed to be a jedi
>>743351991>Doesn't understand basic storytelling.The point of the Battle for Geonosis isn't to look cool. It's to show how detached from reality the Jedi are. If you haven't noticed 90% of them die in the battle at the hands of a bunch of cheap droids with blasters.It's to underline just how out of touch they are, and how conventional warfare grinds them into a paste. It's literally a foreshadowing of Order 66.
>>743351991>>743352305>cont.They also unintentionally do exactly what the Sith would do - throw your warriors into battle and let only the strongest survive.
>>743352305if you can watch that scene and feel anything other than shock and amusement that a major film production with billions of dollars at stake can be that terrible we don't have much to say to each other
>>743323004Barring some rare exceptions though, the Sith aren't free at all. Multiple times do we see how some people become Sith and then in their quest for more power they get so entangled in the dark side and their own ambitions that they end up destroying the things they once cared about, often they are left with nothing in the end.
I wish I still cared about Star Wars. The only recent thing from Star Wars that made my dick perk up was that new Maul show. I feel so tired.
>>743352305least delusional prequelkek
>>743352459Maul was fantastic, and I really, really wish they'd have the balls to retcon Rebels and the way he dies.
>>743324009Avellone just asked the question of what would it actually mean if the Force did have a will. What does it mean for Jedi, Sith and the rest of the galaxy if there was a cosmic invisible and powerful power that had unknowable designs of its own?Ryan just took a piss all over the setting.
>>743352571I don't think they will, but I hope they will do something significant with Devon/Talon. She might be the new hot shit that isn't so constrainted to the canon as Maul was.Or she can be the new Thrawn that was hyped up to no end and then he fizzled out and died.
where does the idea that Avellone hates star wars come from? did he actually say that?
>>743351885I do wonder what Revan's doing after KOTOR. He's mentioned all the time in KOTOR2
>>743324135Yes but only retards and cuckolds actually care about that.
>>743352654Canonically, babies with Bastilla.There is something about him flying into the deep space to challenge the True Sith directly and getting bodied, but TOR is stupid and non-canon.
>>743352634>She might be the new hot shit that isn't so constrainted to the canon as Maul was.Anon, the Sequel Trilogy is there. There can be no living Jedi/Sith by the time it kicks in.According to multiple people that's why nobody wanted to take Kennedy's place - their demand was ALWAYS the ability to retcon the Sequels, which Disney wouldn't allow.
>>743315783>>743315850owari da
>>743352719>Canonically, babies with Bastilla.And then, 200 years later, they're back to the retarded "no relationships" rule, though at least breaking it entails little more than a slap on the wrist.
>>743352571>really wish they'd have the balls to retcon Rebels and the way he dies.Why? It lets him die the same way he was supposed to originally. Getting killed by Obi-Wan. We don't need another immortal Clone-Wars era character like Ahsoka or Ventress just constantly doing shit in the background but somehow not being relevant at all during the films.
>>743352763To be fair, she might be the next Shadow Lord/Lady that lays low during the sequel trilogy (that takes time over a period of a week or so) and only then shows up as the next bad guy with an army of mercs, criminals, Darthomiri witches and Mandalorians. Let me dream.
>>743352801it really sticks out when characters that are supposed to be geniuses are actually very stupid and same with all this star wars shit and these supposedly wise and devoted jedi actually being less wise and more stupider than even regular real life people
>>743352843>We don't need another immortal Clone-Wars era character like Ahsoka or Ventress just constantly doing shit in the background but somehow not being relevant at all during the films.It's going to be Devon. Mark my words.
>>743326332There are a lot of lines in the game that as a kid I thought just sounded cool and after further reflection years later, actually managed stand on their own.
>>743326750Even Atton has an amazing speech about killing Jedi if you push him for it.
>>743352843No, I unironically wish he'd finally realize the anger that was driving him took away everything he had in life and he became a hermit that refuses to have anything to do with Jedi or Sith.Maybe even become a Kreia-like figure that teaches an apprentice about the Force in a very cynical fashion.>>743352861The problem isn't the Sequel Trilogy itself. It's awful, cretinous and retarded, but as you point out it basically takes place within a few weeks.It's everything it does to set itself up:>Luke is a failure.>no Jedi Order>no Jedi around left>no Sith in any form aroundAnd so on.
>>743346937>Said it was important that, despite being a deconstruction, the player still have the opportunity to be wholly a "Star Wars hero" and not have that be mocked or taken apart.I'd say this is the most important thing. For all people talk shit about KOTOR 2 being some sort of wildly subversive piece of media? At the end of the day it not only lets you play a full white hat Jedi who keeps to their principles and is rewarded for it.Kreia wants you to be a good person, she adores the Exile if they defy her at every turn and remain unashamedly good, while she lays nothing but contempt at the feet of a Sith Exile.Jedi Jesus got 40 days of temptation on the Ebon Hawk with little Granny Bullshit and if he comes out the other side pure as snow then that's depicted as the triumph of Good over Evil, rather than him being a schmuck.Kreia, at the end of the day, isn't right about people and the only thing in the entire game that makes her proud of you is if you prove it at every turn.
>>743352939they succeeded with kotor 2 at replicating the best of these deep feeling moments from the ot. when i was a kid i did not understand what the fuck obi wan meant by letting himself be killed by vader and stating that killing him would make him stronger, somehow. I just saw that he died, felt like that was bad, and was confused about what he was talking about and how it made sense
>>743315850IT HAS NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON MY LIFE
>>743353065Know what you mean, these days movies are either so easy to understand even people with down-syndrome get it or so convoluted even the director can only pretend he understands it himself.Avellone really managed to give a new layer of mystery and introspection to a setting we were all already familiar with.
>>743330038That trailer really fucking pissed me off when I realised I couldn't actually force choke a bitch until the neck was broken with a heavy CRUNCH
>>743350807NTA but I would say the best way to look at it is that the Living Force AKA the shit that connects all living beings, while tending towards symbiosis can be easily corrupted to the dark side either by ones own willful abuse or by gradually corrupting adjacent entities connected to the force.Its less a will and more like a strain of crop destroying fungus in the orchard of The Galaxy.
>>743353269>>743353064I feel like Kreia wouldn't have had an issue with Yoda and Luke as they are when the OT takes place.
>>743353391She'd 100% have an issue with Yoda if she knew the full context of what he'd done in the prequel era.She'd goon her gourd off to Luke though, EU Luke specifically
>>743353391>YodaOh she would absolutely despise the little green shit. The dude is almost a millennium old and was a Jedi master for most of that time, he was instrumental in making sure the jedi order remained even more stagnant and rigid than usual over the last centuries.She would mock him to death and back for being THE strongest Jedi in the Order and one of the strongest in history, while also being utterly blind to Palpatine. To Kreia, Yoda is everything that is right and wrong with the Jedi combined into one person, he is incredibly powerful but the code and the rigid thinking of the Order was so deeply ingrained into him, he wasn't even capable of making a single critical thought, never mind capable of saving the Order from the Sith. His failure was as complete as it was predictable and even in his dying days he still managed to give Luke bad advice about Vader.
>>743353592>>743353630prequelshit isn't canon to me
>>743353391She'd berate Luke for not being willing to sacrifice his friends, but mostly yes
>>743315609Hot, Bravo Avellone
>>743353630Yoda seemed checked our in the prequels, most of the actual bad decisions were more on Mace who might be in the lead for "shittiest jedi ever".
>>743353743every single jedi depicted in the prequels is the shittiest jedi ever.
>>743352763>their demand was ALWAYS the ability to retcon the SequelsHonestly: I agree. Reboots of that nature have never worked. Sequels are pointless enough that they can be mostly ignored if you don't use them to create a mostly blank slate.
>>743353685She would, but she's also be secretly proud when he went "Nah, I decide what's important to me and my friends are important."Those human connections were proof that Luke wasn't some unthinking, unfeeling Jedi robot that forks food in one end and shits the will of the Force out the other.Even if he made a bad call, the fact he was willing to make a call at all was proof of his free will, even in the face of the Jedi telling him 'Abandon your friends and heem your dad, lmao'
>>743353743Arguably but don't forgot Yoda used to be Master to half the damned Council, including Mace. He also never did anything to stop Windu or even propose a different approach.
>>743353391Yoda by the time of the OT is the prototypical "grey jedi" and thus exactly the kind of person Kreia would despise
>>743353775Wrong, Qui Gon is amazing.
>>743353845in what way? no book answers or EU stuff pls
>>743353020I do believe you can write around that, but it would require some retconning of TLJ and Disney declaring that the sequel trilogy isn't a be-all and end-all.I would also go with Luke actually having a family. Because that's the great calatyst for his eventual crashout in TLJ.And that would mean his progeny might still be around.
>>743353830What?? What kind of retarded statement is that?
>>743353803>>743353830if you guys actually accept the prequels as canon there's literally no point in discussing star wars imo it becomes the same as discussing like the worst harry potter fanfic you can find
>>743353803Yeah but Yoda wasnt present when Mace was making all the truly bad decisions that let Palpatine actually win. Every single major turn to his favor i can remember was on Mace. He didnt need to cut off Jango's head when he was defenseless and he didnt need to blue ball Anakin and shit on his face and he didnt need to then put Anakin on the Palpatine detail right after that and his little stunt in Palpatines office sealed the deal on Palpatine's jedi have gone rogue narrative. Iirc Yoda wasnt around for most of that and would not have fallen for those.
>>743350170Don't forget the navy.
>>743353830>greyThe fuck does that mean faggot? Yoda and Ben are on the exact same page in the OT and they both give him retarded advice about what to do with Vader.>>743353874Because he actually capable of thinking on his own, bending the rules and showing normal emotions. All the other Jedi Masters have the Codex shoved too far up their own asses which is exactly what fucks them over.
>>743353908It was Yoda who told Anakin to stop giving a shit about a loved person dying again and it cemented Anakins opinion that there was so hope or help to expect from the order when it came to his fears. Of course Mace also fucked up like you said but as I mentioned, Mace was a student of Yoda, everything Windu knows he learned from him and Yoda trusted his decisions. This basically means that when Mace did something, he learned how to do it from the little green guy.
>>743353972well alright, qui gon would be my pick for best jedi depicted in the prequels too, but i don't think I'd say he was that great. the entire concept of jedi was ruined anyway the whole thing just sucks
Speaking of Yoda. Interesting fact: Yoda was trained by the biggest cuck in Jedi history.Fae Coven agreed to the Ruusan Reformations which basically put the Jedi Council under the command of the Senate and includes every single thing that led to Creamy Sheev pulling off the 3 pointer 1,000 years later.No attachments? Reformation. One Padawan only? Reformation. No teaching older kids? ect, ect.All of that shit was purely a political move that then became cemented as ideology.If it turned out that Fae Coven was secretly a Sith Lord no one that knows the deep lore would even blink.Is it any wonder Yoda turned out the way he did
The great tragedy of the Jedi is all their problems are solved whenever its a bunch of relatively well adjusted normal people, but because of the sheer scale of it all it needs to make ruse based around corner cases which fuck everyone else over in the process. r
>>743353630>FanfictionA lot of you people like to glaze Palpatine and other Sith except when it comes to the Jedi’s fall, which is when you conveniently forget that Palpatine was a century long Sith in the making with a natural talent for concealing himself in the Force, a talent that would’ve made even Kreia blush.Kreia wouldn’t blame Yoda at all, because Yoda has unshakable conviction and to Kreia that’s all she really wants from a Jedi.
>>743354081>t. very gay star wars fanfiction
>>743354095at which elapsed time in any of the original films is any of this information conveyed?
>>743354081Anakin defenders are truly pathetic. All Yoda said was to give up the fear of loss and be ready for unexpected and unstoppable death in your life.Anakin is a retard blinded by love, that is the ENTIRE point of his story you midwit.
>>743354189>Originalfilmsonly faggotOpinion discarded, you're a Japanese Holdout screeching about how the Gaijin can still be driven off the Pacific islands bro.Cope about it.
>>743353895Yoda, similar to Jolee, is content to sit in his swamp and die, depressed from his failure to stop Palpatine and refusing to take action against the Sith. Obi Wan by contrast, was charged to watch over Luke and thus performed his duty
>>743354243no i just don't accept a bunch of total shit written by random retards as represented in the original trilogy which is canon. Anything that contradicts the OT is not canon. The OT is good, everything else is shit, shit contradicts good, therefore shit is non canon.
But what about the Yuuzhan Vong
>>743354124It never ceases to bring me joy whenever tis implied that if Sheev was able to swallow his pride and let Anakin be the one to get it all, the grand plan and Rule of Two would of worked, but as befits a Sith he was just to power hungry and desperate to live forever and so he jumped the gun and then neglected the Empire once he had it to obsess over said immortality. Like the reason the Death Star got made is because Palps was annoyed by having to take time out of his dark wizard bullshit to run the Empire and so chose the wildly inefficient option that if it did work would make the Empire basically run itself out of sheer suppression.
>>743354318Solid idea, at least.
>>743354225Even IF the message was correct Yoda is a retard if he thinks it was the right thing to say or that it had ANY effect on Anakin. Yoda might as well have farted instead of speaking for all the good it did.
>>743354270Yoda hid in the swamp so he wouldn’t be whacked before becoming a ghost and training Luke, Leia, or any potential Jedi to murk Vader and Palp in his stead. Of course he hid out, his entire fucking Order got destroyed. Jolee hid in the Swamp because he decided to exile himself for his failure and to watch over the Star Forge map They both had duties in that Swamp which they did to perfection.The fuck else was Yoda or Jolee supposed to do?
>>743354270To be fair to the old midget, Yoda is so strong in the force that if he were anywhere else, Vader would be on his ass in days.
>>743345417There WERE early plans to make Atris an optional companion.
>>743354359>Okay Yoda was right and Ani is a stubborn little retard…>BUT HE STILL SHOULDVE DONE MORE FOR ANAKIN SO ITS STILL HIS FAULTYou are childish, just like Anakin.
>>743354225Couldn't anakin have just left anyway. Dooku did and nobody went after him. Its not like he needed the job either hes a pretty talented guy. At the end of the day Anakin wanted his cake and to eat it too, no one forced him to do anything.
>>743354225Yeah except Anakin is asking that in the context of "Hey, I'm getting these crazy dreams of my mom getting gangbanged to death by Tuskan Raiders. She's more cum than woman by this point. Can I do something about that?"Yes, accepting death and loss is a part of life is healthy.No, it's not a one koan fits all solution to every situation.>Hey Cop, this fucker is trying to mug me for my shit so he can sell it for crack>Possession leads to the dark side. Let go of your catalytic converter you must. Oooh-hoo-hoo
>>743354420>Yoda hid in the swamp so he wouldn’t be whacked before becoming a ghost and training Luke, Leia, or any potential JediHe literally didn't want to train Luke, though. He basically gave up and decided to just die in his swamp.
>>743351702Yeah the writing can be really bad at times.
>>743354501>moreHow about anything? Yoda couldn't help even in the slightest, none of the Jedi could which is how Palpatine could swoop in and gain far more of Anakin's trust than he might otherwise been able to.Of course little Ani isn't blameless but I sure as hell get him thinking the Jedi cannot help him or even understand him.
>>743354531Literally not what happened at all, Anakin was pussying around the issue from the jump to avoid giving off the hint that he was down for Padme. Anakin gave a vague explanation and received pretty sound advice in exchange.Your analogy isn’t accurate because it’s more akin to telling a Cop you received letters that your car MAY be broken into right now.>>743354556He tested Luke until he saw worthiness in him. Yes, he got a little push from Obi but he didn’t say “fuck off all of you,” he told Luke to lock in and trained him. Did you watch the fucking movie?
>>743354505He would've left if it wasn't for the war and even Dooku left after long deliberation and half a lifetime of slowly building discontent for the Order
>>743315850late at night is the only time i have for myselfI stay up late until about 3 or 4am, then go to bed to wake up at around 12 or 1pm
>>743354642How the fuck were the Jedi supposed to help if Anakin was hiding the relationship, Einstein? Please do explain, we’re all ears.
>>743354673Anakin's problems are his own creations and he was always characterized as sort of arrogant. He could've quit being a jedi at anytime (there's another character in the movies that did exactly that) and it would've solved all of his problems but he wanted to be the chosen one.Even his little spat with Mace about not getting to be on the council was not that big of a deal. Like yeah OK mace I know you don't like me, well deal with this when the war is over?Not to mention whether the rules are stupid or not, Anakin knew them and didn't want to be held accountable to them. That's not how jobs work but Anakin felt like he was special and he acted like it.
When this thread was at twenty comments I was debating whether or not to mention I am making a spiritual successor to the 'TORs.440 comments later I may have made a mistake.
>>743354736Help him in any way to save his mother from being raped to death for example. Anakin hid the truth because he knew for a fact that Obi Wan and the Council would judge and condemn him for his actions. Palpatine did neither of those things, he accepted Anakin and his flaws and thus got greater hold over that young man's heart than all the Jedi combined.Obviously Anakin also carries blame but that doesn't excuse the rest of the Order from all wrongdoing.
>No-no, Yoda was perfect and right and the Jedi did nothing wrong and-And they fucked it all up and the Republic fell for exactly that kind of thinking.Countless aeons of teachings, all the power and resources they could want and the backing of the entire Republic and they fumbled the bag by being dogmatic whenever it served their interests and hypocrites when it didn't.Cope louder about it, I don't think the back row is deaf yet.
>>743354808>comments
>>743354780Exactly. I am very tired of people laying endless blame at the Jedi’s feet when Anakin literally self inflicted his issues because he was cowardly and thought the Jedi would punish him for admitting his attachment.If he had said straight up “I am in love with Padme” he would’ve been offered a way out of the Order or, if he stayed, given further mentorship to release that attachment and taken off assignments involving Padme.Anakin did NOT tell anyone SHIT, that’s the entire point of the story. It was a forbidden, SECRET love.>>743354832>It’s really the Jedi’s fault for upholding their own rulesChildish.>>743354837>THE JEDI ARE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING PLEASE IGNORE THAT THEY HAD TO WALK INTO A CENTURY LONG TRAP IN THE MAKING TO FACILITATE THEIR SUPPOSED FAILUREWhy are you people even here if you hate Star Wars? Leave.
>>743354837It's even worse than just serving their interest. When Anakin comes to Yoda for advice the little green midget cannot even think of giving ANY other reply than>learn to not give a shit, you mustFor Yoda there was only one path to being a Jedi while everything else was wrong so it didn't even occur to him that Anakin might need more than the bog standard reply to having emotions.Qui Gon would've handled it much better, precisely because he wasn't obsessed with the letter of the law but the spirit of it instead.
>>743354857lol
>>743354721same but i wake up at 7 to go to work :(
>>743354857Son it is 3 A in the M and I just woke up.Also if I was a Redditor, how would I know what that image means? Unless y'all are doing some Seinfeld-esque 'actually your not getting it is the joke'.Checkmate, 4channer.
>>743354121When Qui-Gon wanted to do something considered against the rules he would literally report himself. He did so when he said he wanted to train Anakin. Anakin picked the wrong lesson from that and hid things he could've just told them. There were ways to fight the system without sperging out but apparently only 1 person had that ability (mind you Obi-Wan was not punished when he did the same and told them to their faces hed train Anakin whether they permitted it or not) so they were not always as rigid as they seemed. Like Quigon and Obi-Wan just got away with that shit.
>>743315850kek
>>743355009what do you mean "y'all" what are you doing
>>743354943The Jedi were complete and utter retards even if we ignore the issues with Anakin. Just because somebody tried to dupe them, does not excuse them from all responsibility in being duped. So retarded were they, Palpatine had them catching blaster bolts with their body to save his life, as he was destroying them and the republic. Honestly the Order was doing half the work for him.
>>743355064 Talking like a normal human bean
>>743355070>Palpatine used the selfless nature of the Jedi against them…>Clearly it’s the Jedi’s fault for being duped!Disturbing is this take by Chancellor Anon.
>>743354943>You hate Star Wars because you can acknowledge the Jedi Council weren't perfectBoy that sure is some dogmatic thinking right there given Lucas wrote an entire trilogy on how the failures of institutions come from within.They knew something was up from Episode 1 onwards.They weren't blind to it, they wilfully ignored it to focus on going off on a jolly to war to save the Republic.But remember, no attachments.Just being an enforcer for the Senate, because being attached to the Republic certainly isn't an attachment, UwU.If you can't see any issues with the Order circa Prequel era, when you have aeons of history to compare and contrast with?That's what we like to call a skill issue.
>>743355150And at the same time bent the rules a bit to include Anakin in the first place, when they could've put their foot down and said no. What's Obi-Wan going to do, leave the order to train him outside of it? Fair enough for the Order if they wanted to be truly black and white.
>>743355009Tell us about your project then, standalone dnd crpg, glorified visual novel or what?
>>743355045To be fair, Qui Gon was a proven Master who, despite his many missteps, still had the full trust of the Council behind him after years of service. Anakin probably felt like he was on shaky ground from the start when Yoda rejected to have him taught. He probably assumed that if he revealed his marriage he'd been shunted out the door within the hour.Didn't help that Obi Wan was the complete opposite to Qui Gon and couldn't even conceive on why someone would have issues with the Jedi Code. It's honestly amazing how little Obi Wan learned from his master.>>743355121>selflessness is a valid excuse to being retardedBoy you really are a special one? What part of selflessness was it to accept the clone troopers before investigating how they actually came to be and what their true purpose was? The Jedi were retarded and met with a retards end.
>>743355150I never denied the flaws and ultimately the failure of the Jedi, I’m merely pointing out that their flaws are not as deep and damning as you people love to insist. They were very close to pulling off a win at several turns, but failed because someone was a retard (Anakin) or because equally smart and powerful people were acting against them.Your constant inability to fault anyone BUT the Order is what I take issue with, you cast unequal blame.
>>743355221>Barbarians at the Gate>Hey can we put a pause on this military action thing? I know civilians are dying but we need to investigate the origin of this army more thoroughly.THEY. HAD. NO. TIME
>>743355221Nonetheless the entire debate over Anakin's age and Yoda's doubt proves the Jedi Order at the time WAS willing to hear arguments and accept answers they didnt want to hear. At least sometimes.Which shows George is smarter than people credit him because a story where everyone just cucks a kid repeatedly until he snaps is not tragic. George very obviously wanted Order 66 to be deeply tragic and feel like a bad thing so no the Order while flawed was not entirely in the wrong. Anakin had plenty of outs and he just kept stacking fuck ups of his own up to and including telling his secret wife he just murdered "everyone, even the women and children" and then hiding that too. By the time AOTC is over, Anakin is barely even a Jedi in anything but name. He's already becoming a sham.
>>743355120>folks >y'all are definitely calling cards of a pretty damaged brain
The blame is divided like this:Palpatine: 80%Anakin: 15%Jedi Order: 3%Windu:1%Obi Wan: 1%>But Yoda—-Genuinely did nothing fucking wrong and was dog walking Siddy-boy up until he ran out of time to murk him in secret.
>>743355340you prequelfags are actually mentally ill and insane. AOTC is one of the worst movies ever made by anyone in any genre.
>>743355258>Anyone BUT the OrderShit I don't blame the Order, I blame the Senate. Again, every issue with the Order came from the Ruusan reformation.The overreach of 'No-no, everything has to be subservient to heckkin democracy, including spirituality' is where the problems came from.No it isn't just the institution. It's, and this is important, people.Everyone had their part in what happened and no snow flake ever feels responsible for the avalanche.Shit the fact I'm saying "Yoda flubbed it" and you're reading that as "The Order-" is part of the problem.People to blame for what happened in order of apportionment>Creamy Sheev>Anakin>The Senate/Republic as an institution>The CIS>Mace Windu>The Kaminoans>Yoda>Obi Wan>Dooku>Jedi Order as an institutionStop being such a black and white retard and desperately trying to misunderstand the discussion so you can count cheap points, fuckhead.
>>743355296The war went on for years and they had all the time and opportunity to discover the origins of the clones. They didn't, and then the clones shot them all dead.Really pathetic.>>743355340They were willing to listen to Qui Gon only because they knew for a fact that he would flat out ignore their orders and train Anakin anyway somewhere far away. Otherwise yeah I do get what George was trying to do, Anakin had plenty of flaws and bad choices but in the end a single Jedi that Anakin could fully trust would've made all the difference. I have noticed for myself repeatedly how Obi Wan was the completely wrong person to train Anakin. Ani had tons of issues with the Jedi code while for Obi Wan took to it like a fish takes to swimming. Obi Wan was basically the perfect Jedi by all metrics while Anakin barely managed to remain one. A more flawed teacher, someone who actually understands how emotions and code can clash might've been able to gain Anakins trust and prevent total manipulation by Sidious.
>>743355197:heart:Straight up clone, new story+world. Got 80-70% of the assets ready, sans repeat, most of the 'base is coded up(just terrified of actually wiring it together.Shoulda started shilling it sooner, but I've been waiting until the core was ready - too many projects start shilling with a handful of visual assets and no game.As someone who's reasonably critical I am actually pretty excited about how it's turning out. Looking forward to sharing it with you boys!I'll be a good boy and wait until I have visual assets - i e. screenshots of anything other than capsules floating around towards other capsules - before I start askin' folks here to join the Disc Ord*. (And yes mr. Smart Alec I know that's NOT the 4chan SLANG, but I prefer to not to type the real one).Probably actually won't be that long, like I said, the visuals are there to be hooked together+ligth painting. I'm more mad that I have to wait an ungodly amount of time to get the Steam Page up. :( It is going to be 'lit', bros. And many of you are going to play it. *Still the best way to organize anything.
>>743354505>>743354708It's a massive plot hole in the setting that there aren't multiple competing schools/temples set up by failed/exiled/resigned members of the Jedi Order.Funnily enough, during the Jedi-Sith Wars before the Ruusan Reformation, this was exactly the case - there were multiple temples and schools, entire noble families comprised of Jedi, Jedi Lords who ruled entire star systems etc.
>>743355428'Apologies my summer child
>>743355458>Prequels badTell me you're an insufferable midwit without using those exact words why don't you? Just because red letter media told you it doesn't make it true.The Prequels are flawed gems, an epic story about the fall of a Republic from within.They're absolutely in line with the originals in terms of quality and all you can do is sit there on your raw little ass and cry about it.And before you @ me, I've got one thing to say to you.Maclunkey
>>743354857It's always actually been called that, not 'post'.
>>743355601they're bad and you're the midwit for not being able to notice it lol
>>743355467>No you’re stupid because I’m not blaming the Order, I’m blaming the people !!!>[…] in the OrderAlright. this discussion is concluded.>>743355538Uh, sir, they were busy getting shot at.They literally made an attempt later on during the War and came close to discovering the truth and Sidious shat his pants and had to pull out every trick in the book to obfuscate. Does that just not count? Let me guess: It’s Filonishit, so it doesn’t count, right?
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>>743355659Not all of them were getting shot at all the time and they still had plenty of resources.Waiting until years later for such an investigation is also pointless, they'd have lost everything even if the truth was revealed.
>>743355659>Stop trying to win cheap points by acting retarded>Hurr, the Senate was the Jedi OrderDo the sneedful and rope yourself
>>743355715ACSHULLY THEY ARE CALLIED REPLIES
>>743355550So you have literally nothing on the visual side, where are your character concepts
>>743355715My extension is cooler than your extension
>>743355558Either way the council acknowledged Obi-Wan threat after Qui Gon died which demonstrated on some level they were not so close minded. If they had told Obi-Wan to pound sound whatever happens after that can't be on them. They already broke a rule to let Anakin in in the first place so from minute 1 it was reinforced to Anakin that he was special and the rules should not apply to him (ironically making the council somewhat at fault for his attitude). The majority of Anakin's tenure as a Jedi was spent hiding crimes he'd committed, hiding things considered unethical to the Order, and trying to play both sides with the Palpatine assignment to get what HE wanted. And even there Anakin proved he prioritized his own wants over the Republic. Even -if- Palpatine could have definitively saved Padme, by that point Mace wasnt completely wrong when he argues in Palpatine's office about executing him. Anakin is obviously trying to bait him into keeping him alive for entirely selfish reasons.
>>743355849Reply posts or posts
>>743322071When you it like that you can really seen the DUNE influence.
>>743355868Still being bashed out. Trying to make them good enough.(And they're not ready to share yet, I hate the idea of sharing something and then realizing it needs to be fixed.I am remembering that 4chan is a tougher crowd than some places. Which is fun, but I do need to show more than some places. Fair! Just figured I'd give y'all the news.Have a good one! Thanks for asking.
>>743332171She just really wants the Exile's horrible null seed to give her grandkids, anon.
>>743355913End of the day the entire thing could've been solved with a few more lines from Mace>Alright Anakin, I know this isn't exactly standard operating procedure but if you let me heem this wrinkly old cunt I'll give you a one time pass to break the rules, what do you w->SENATOR PUSSY>Alright, weirdly specific but done
>>743351572Sounds neat. Got a place you're gonna post updates on?
>>743356072Yeah but it also showed that even if he didnt like Anakin personally and sort of cucked him off the council for a bit, Mace still trusted Anakin pretty deeply. Which just goes to show who Anakin had devolved into by that point from all his secrets and lies he'd hidden from everyone. He chops off Mace's hand and gives like 2 seconds of pity (mostly for himself) before doubling down again.
>>743356072>Damn boy, you didn't even have to think about that one did you.>I always suspected you were up to something>Fine>You can keep fucking Jar Jar on the DL>But don't expect me to not think you're a freak for it
>>743356045She's a cuckquean>It is good that you have never wondered what lay beneath her robes. If her alabaster skin was as white and unblemished as her face. Or if perhaps she bore the scars of slavery… and if that would stir you more. If perhaps her deferent tone would change once you held her by the throat, and showed her how far a Jedi can fall
>>743315850man, fuck you.
>>743355441Mace should get more like 5% just for killing Jango the way he did which was completely unnecessary and prevented them from easily exposing the entire plot. Doubly so because hed just been seen standing next to Count Dooku and Obi-Wan knew the clones were derived from him. Jango could've been taken alive.
>>743356153Its been out in early release for a while and I am constantly updating it. Its on the kotor 2 nexus. As far as when I am implementing the Handmaiden romance fix: I can’t really give an ETA. Soonish probably. I work pretty fast but I also get distracted but other ideas I suddenly want to do for quests and stuff.
>>743356340Revenge of Revan?
>>743356383Echoes of the Republic
>>743356424Thanks, bookmarked and will give it a look next time I play K2.
Reminder that KOTOR/SWTOR isn't canon.
>>743356628>But George Lucas sa-Maclunkey
>>743315609I always found it funny how befuddled she was after you beat, it's up there with that>Ah, but to teach, one must be willing to learnLine which you can tell Atton
>>743354084Not really. Makes sense that an order that used extreme self repression and attachment to the outside world would end up developing a reliance on rules and protocol.It's why the jedi order fell. They lost sight of the Force, ironically enough. Since the Force is generated and guided by life, and thus attachments.
>>743356854>the entire jedi order was dumber about the force than a random anon regular ass human being on 4chan >that's well written jedi! do you not see the issue really?
>>743351851Anon even the OG trilogy has tons of weird ayyys. It's what set it apart from Star Trek.
>>743357003they weren't jedi though
>>743356854Wrong.
remember
>>743353791>>743352763There is no way of fixing Star Wars without retconning the sequels. Every single decision was the worst possible one they could have made.
>>743357069Literal cuck logic born of the free love movement.I like George but he had some fucking retarded ideas (see Ewoks for more)"Oh, you can love them but you can't possess them."Great George, let me just rawdog your wife, you don't want to be ~possessive~ do you?
>>743357141Obsessed, lmao.
>>743357307>Doesn't have an argument against itFeel free to make the case.
>>743357348I won't waste my time arguing with a retard. You don't know what you're talking about, and the extent of your intellectual ability is bringing up cuckolding out of nowhere.
>>743357456I accept your concession, retard-kun.
>>743357069>>743357141It's interesting to see George's perspective on this. I think his idea of loving but not possessing them is less a cuck thing and more that fundamentally you can't change their fate.Seems like Jedi can love but they must always be distant, always have a firm wall between themselves and others at some level. That's why Anakin fell; he was never taught that, and the loss of his mom made him fear losing Padme.But on that same token it's Luke's attachment to his father which ultimately saves the day, so maybe it's not supposed to be that black and white.
>>743357078why do memers have to be so crass about it
>>743357563>I think his idea of loving but not possessing them is less a cuck thing and more that fundamentally you can't change their fate.The problem is that to love is to care for something.And to care for it you have to give at least a bit of a shit about what happens to it.To steal a quote from a different piece of media on the subject:>All witches are selfish, the Queen had said. But Tiffany’s Third Thoughts said: Then turn selfishness into a weapon! Make all things yours! Make other lives and dreams and hopes yours! Protect them! Save them! Bring them into the sheepfold! Walk the gale for them! Keep away the wolf! My dreams! My brother! My family! My land! My world! How dare you try to take these things, because they are mine! I have a duty!
>>743357665I'm of the same thought, myself. But I can understand what Lucas is trying to convey. To be a Jedi you have to be willing to love, while simultaneously be willing and able to accept that your love may die without letting fear of it dictate your actions.That seems really hard for most people to affectively do, so I understand why the order banned love to prevent it. Luke with Vader doesn't have fear, and that seems to be a big part of what Lucas considers the dark side. The only time the dark side gets to Luke is when Leia is threatened.
>>743357881At the end of the day it's kind of the original sin built into the Star Wars setting, mixing eastern philosophy of balance and 'This shit is just how it is bro' with western philosophy of good and evil."Eating babies is evil" is a coherent thought."Fear is a natural part of life, but to let it control your entire existence is foolish" is a coherent thought."Fear is evil because it leads to you eating babies" is crazy homeless people talk.
EU Luke not banning personal relationships and marriage in his new order was ultimately far better than whatever the fuck the Prequel Jedi were doing.
>>743357507Go jerk off to cuck porn like you usually do, braindead peasant.
>>743357563>But on that same token it's Luke's attachment to his father which ultimately saves the day,No, it's his compassion that saves the day. Attachment is not compassion. Selfless love is not selfish, possessive clinging. The problem with Star Wars faggots is that you are all illiterate morons and don't know shit about anything except some vapid, pointless, fanfiction "lore" written by other retards to cash in on you. You can try not being a retard and read George's interviews or listen to the audio commentaries for the movies, for starters.
>>743358864You're both wrong. It's Anakins attachment to Luke that saves the day you insipid fucking retards.Luke was on the floor bleeding out when he called out to Vader as his father to save him.Vader, being the loving, selfish person he is, saw this and interceded on his behalf at the cost of his own life.He loved another enough to die for them.And he did that because the other person was his fucking son.Hundreds of thousands dead by his hands, including some of his closest friends, but HIS son was the one he changed his trajectory for.And you can hope, rope, cope and soap about what Lucas says all you like but that's the fucking text of it and you can swallow it down by the bucket load.
