You need to be on HRT for at least 6 months to understand the Charge Blade, sorry.

>>743323096
I don't know I've only ever used hammer or hunting horn.

It's a gimmick weapon, you either commit to the gimmick or it's dogshit. Lagombi deserved that win.

>>743323096
yeah but it's cool as fuck

Axe mode is meta therefore you're just playing a shit version of Switch Axe
Bring back SAED kino

>CB
>In an Ichinose game
bruh

The only weapon you need is the greatsword. It's been scientifically proven that 99.99% of people who use any weapon beside the greatsword are fags. That remaining .01% are double faggots

>Take Wilds Charge Blade
>Make Savage Axe a pass-through (peak) instead of a button-hold (faggot dogshit) like how it functions in Iceborne
>Remove Perfect Guard, make Guard Points even better than a PG because of the risk involved
>Remove the phial cost reduction Wilds added
>Buff Power Sword mode
>Buff the swap-to-sword-mode speed or increase the length of that move's Guard Point so you can swaggy defensive plays in axe mode
there I fixed Charge Blade no need to pay me Capcom just doing my part

>>743323534
Given how happy you people are to ban and report people whenever you're pointed out as a neanderthal you've got no ground to call anybody else a faggot

The main issue with CB is that neither Capcom development team can decide how the players should play the weapon. This leads to players having to switch playstyles every game, or even have to learn a new one altogether.

Capcom should just make every playstyle viable at this point. Yes, including 4U impact AED. Bring back guard point into regular AED.

It’s funny how Charge Blade is at its strongest and most fun ever in fucking NOW (the mobile game). You load up on skills like Headstrong (which give you a massive damage boost if you don’t dodge for a few seconds) and then go ham on guard points and morph attacks. Simplifying it unironically makes it a better weapon, and they should have taken notes from MHN when they made Wilds.

>>743323597
>take wilds charge blade
>make it so you can directly saed again
>make saed cost shield charge again
>remove savage axe entirely
>bring back energy blade
fixed

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Just wield a Gunlance and call it a day!

There's a reason why people say Funlance!

>>743323096
they gutted CB specifically in generations because they removed all the shortcuts to AED and SAED
none of the styles really give you back that good access, the best you are gonna get for AED/SAED spam is aerial, but it has a ton of caveats like needing to jump for SAED and shit, its only really helped by being able to iframe with the jump and then directly go into AED in the air

the reach is literally whatever, it has perfectly fine reach for what it is, you need to reload if your sword charge is red otherwise you bounce, red shield is only accessible through AED cancel. ED2 and AED do a ton of damage still though, and it has some pretty good arts if u like that

>>743323820
The weapon itself is kind of a mess because at a design level it has everything all other blademaster weapons have so by design it also has to be worse than all of them at their specific niches in order to not steal their thunder, it goes beyond the differences in opinions between main and portable teams, which are really mostly about GPs at the end of the day.
Sword and shield mode can't be as agile and combo rich as SnS otherwise SnS has no reason to exist.
The shield part of the weapon can't be as good as Lance/GL because sword mode is way more agile than either, the mainline team also thinks you can't have true guard points like Lance because CB deals immensely higher damage than Lance ever will so you're stuck with largely pointless GPs that lost even more purpose in Wilds due to perfect guard.
Axe mode is slow as fuck and you can't have the same returns on damage as GS otherwise GS players throw yet another tantrum, on top of that you have to constantly manage resources and keep it up as much as you can because that's where most of your damage options lie.
Impact Phials can stun but not that well because that would offend hammer/HH users, they also can't do too much damage because otherwise element phials have no point and GL users lose their niche with shelling.

CB is consistently one of the better performing weapons but that's despite its actual balancing woes, it's mostly because axe mode has historically been one of the strongest DPS in the series, the weapon itself always feels half baked no matter how much you like it because no part of the weapon is allowed to truly shine, it's the jack of all trades curse and you gotta get behind that if you wanna play CB.

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>>743323096
everytime I play one of these 'complex' weapons I only dream to play gen1 weapons. i
I enjoy managing retarded resources that mean nothing in Wilds when you fill them and spend them pretty much instantly.

>>743324429
if you want to play cb in gu your best option is just to mod the 4u moveset back in

>>743323096
>Am I doing something wrong
>nearly carted to a FUCKING LAGOMBI
yeah

>>743323096
>I don't get this weapon
then don't play it dumbass

>>743323096
It's great if you like to play minigames instead of fighting things

>>743323096
yeah you're playing wrong, but also play swaxe like a man

>>743323597
>pass through instead of hitstop
faggot shit
>guard points are "riskier"
in what universe is having like a full 1 second window to time a block "risky", you already get free guard up 2 for having shield charge and guard pointing. perfect block is fine
>remove phial cost reduction
cb phials have always been insanely axe weighted, it is trivial to build 10 phials (20 phials in wilds) in like 4 sword attacks, removing the reduction would do functionally nothing, even if AED cost 2 phials each time it wouldn't really change how the weapon is played except make you reload more often
>buff power sword mode
only if you lower the rate at which you gain phials
>buff the axe mode guard point
they literally did this in rise, most of your complaints were fixed specifically with rise
power sword mode is good because element is good in rise, perfect guard is gone (albeit replaced with counter peak performance), phial cost is normal, and there is a skill that makes the axe guard point frame 0

>>743324030
>make SAED cost shield charge again
way to kill the weapon fully and instantly, you cant even bank 2 SAED for a down at that point, losing 20% damage on the second half of a combo would annihilate the weapon, like equivalent to just losing all your armor skills until you shield charge again

>>743324864
brainlet take

>>743324487
CB was fine in base 4, it was only 4U adding red shield/SAED and the shield thrust that made it "do everything" and led to the clusterfuck of reworks every game you describe.

they should've just admitted it was a mistake and rolled it back for GU or world

>>743325078
>way to kill the weapon fully and instantly
didn't seem to kill cb in 4u

>>743324429
>I can't pull a nuke that auto KO's every monster because I hit shield thrust or did a guard point 1 time, the weapon is gutted
you even admit that ED2/AED still hit stupid hard and you have shit like adept/valor style that are broken as fuck because you have super iframes/parry window directly into ED2 spam

Is sword and shield any good? It mostly just seems to be the designated beginner weapon

>>743323096
only two people play charge blade
>3DSbabs
>people who would have more fun playing longsword, but took the bants seriously and got bullied off playing it

ever since longsword became a parryslop weapon in GU/world, it and charge blade are the exact same fucking weapon
>hit thing to build meter
>spend meter to get special red buff
>with red buff and more meter unleash epic anime super move
>if about to take damage cancel anything I'm doing into counter attack
only longsword just kind of works in a more intuitive way because at it's core it has that good old gen 2 moveset, doesn't have to worry about mode changes and just has the whole moveset at once and traditional longsword advantage of having 90 years to input your next swing/dodge which makes everything on it way easier to time and execute

t - gs main

>>743325217
>CB was fine in base 4
It was clunky as shit and pretty pointless, Red Shield and shield thrust were both good additions, the issue is that MVs were fucked and the weapon was way too fucking strong compared to the rest, this was fixed in the following games.
>>743325384
Like all weapons it depends on the game, imo SnS is boring and shit for any game before 4th gen.

>>743324487
>it has everything all other blademaster weapons have so by design it also has to be worse than all of them at their specific niches
??
this is like saying "dual blades isnt allowed to be good because then it would steal thunder from sword and shield and longsword" or "hammer isnt allowed to be good because it would steal thunder from greatsword and hunting horn". it's just utterly nonsensical
sns isn't even the "fast and agile" gimmick, it is defined by its ability to play supportively with items without having to sheath the weapon, and having mounting options build in with the backstep charge, neither are something charge blade has
>shield cant be good because its "more agile" than lance/gunlance
this isnt right either, since gunlance's identity is practically entirely divorced from its shield. it is all big hits with tons of commitment and about, get this, "reloading shells to dump them all in one attack", along with having options like wyvernfire and wyrmstake. lance is specifically designed for having a bunch of shield centric gameplay, and counters of varying length so you can capitalize on every opening. charge blade has effectively one counter move, and its the single largest attack it has, its functionally unusable unless you know its going to flinch or KO or you are fighting something with a several second long opening following an attack.
>Axe mode is slow as fuck and you can't have the same returns on damage as GS
thinking of weapons as "the damage weapon" fundamentally misunderstands monster hunter identity foundationally. greatsword is not "the damage weapon", its focused on timing punishes and tanking moves with shoulder charge to force openings, neither things that CB does. CB has several different moves of varying length to punish openings and cant force shit.
>Impact Phials can stun but not that well because that would offend hammer/HH users
retard, all i'm gonna say. shits like saying "cant make it cut tails too good, LS would get mad"

>>743325565
>GS main
>retarded opinion
Yeah, it checks out

>>743325384
it's the most mashy weapon in the game, even more then guns or dual blades because you have 0 resources to think about. the closest thing to nuance SNS has is depending on the game you might have a single super strong move that's better then everything else you have so you just spam that instead of mashing combo and maybe once every 20 fights your shield doing blunt damage actually matters

>>743325245
4u cb aed is stronger than any other version of AED/SAED in any other game in the series
that long with IG mounting defined that game

>>743324864
pretty much. the sole reason for its addition in 4th gen was to attract the adhd faggots. 4th gen coincidentally was also the generation where they changed monster behavior to be extremely schizophrenic/neurotic. monhun since then has been a lost cause. if 4u/gu were nukes, then world was the hydrogen bomb to completely eradicated oldgen monhun identity.

>>743325384
depends heavily on the game, it's super fun in Risebreak and Wilds thanks to wirebug counter and perfect guard but it struggles to find a good niche in earlier titles

>>743324864
>different version of gunlance reload
>3 minute timer
>"minigame"
jesus fuck dude, it has exactly two mechanics, it has less going on than fucking 3rd gen longsword

>>743325758
right, it's not a matter of moveset, it's a matter of numbers
the problem is that cb had the best moveset when you were incentivized to mostly use aed, and occasionally use saed when you have a big opening and are sure you won't miss
instead they just made saed basically free and added savage axe to compensate for the loss of depth, except savage axe doesn't actually add anything to the weapon, it's just a axe mode damage buff. If they wanted to improve axe mode they should have brought back the valor triple slash instead

>>743323096
Use it in 4U then never touch it in any other MH

>>743325639
>Red Shield and shield thrust were both good additions
they're the entire reason why as >>743324487 CB became a weapon that does everything the other melee does at the same time and so it had to get nerfed into being an unfun clunky piece of dogshit to avoid being the objective best weapon in the game at everything

CB only cucks lance because red shield makes you have better block, in base 4 you had to only GP specific things or build guard
CB only cucks GS/SNS because flat damage boost and SAED mean you have the speed and saftey of SNS but with the ability to drop a level 3 GS charge level of damage from a safe distance, in base 4 you were instead a more jack of all trades middle ground due to overall lower damage
CB only cucks hammer because red shield makes shield thrust and guard points do phial damage to KO monsters extremely safely, in base 4 you only got KO's by doing AED/ED combos on downs or the (again worse in this game) guardpoint AED

it being "clunky" or not doesn't really matter, the problems with CB started with 4U's new moves and the best answer they can come up with is to give the weapon EVEN MORE moves and then just making 80% of the movelist worthless each game

Loadshells 2 was an absolutely retarded idea from the devs.
I hope the expansion remedies it. even if its something stupid like triple loading phials

>>743325684
>this is like saying "dual blades isnt allowed to be good because then it would steal thunder from sword and shield and longsword"
SNS doesn't worry about meter and longsword has an extremely easy time landing it's hits, DB existing in the middleground between them and having strengths of both is balanced by obvious flaws, which isn't something the CB design has when it's not just kinda nerfed heavily on purpose
>sns isn't even the "fast and agile" gimmick, it is defined by its ability to play supportively with items without having to sheath the weapon
people only built SNS this way because it did no fucking damage in gen 2/3/4, weapons like GS and DB sheathe extremely quickly so you can throw your trap or lifepowder in the same openings a SNS can 90% of the time.

SNS is the weapon that has 0 downtime because everything is fast, you have no meter/stamina drain to worry about like DB, and you have jumping slash to get back into optimal range extremely easily

>Been using HBG since MH1
>Can play all the weapons well and in some weapons really god damn well 4U and X/XX was the height of my hoontan strength were I was hard carryingg tendie retards
>Gimp my power by still using HBG because I find it fun and just like the reload animation to style on monsters as I shower them in freedom

>>743325684
>dual blades isnt allowed to be good because then it would steal thunder from sword and shield and longsword
DB has no overlap with either because it's the speedy death by a thousand cuts weapon with no lower defensive options and no range.
Comparing it to LS is especially stupid since LS is defined by its reach and speed whereas DB has the worst reach of all weapons.
>sns isn't even the "fast and agile" gimmick
It is, SnS has always been about superior mobility ever since the very first game, the wide range niche is a minor aspect of the weapon which also hasn't been all that relevant for a while, the prime support weapon is HH and mounting options have been abundant ever since Gen 4 radically changed the map design, nowadays any weapon has consistent mounting options, especially after Risebreak.
>since gunlance's identity is practically entirely divorced from its shield
Maybe if you stopped playing MH after 3rd gen.
>lance is specifically designed for having a bunch of shield centric gameplay
So was CB in 4th gen before they nerfed guard points into the ground because again, it was just what Lance could do but better because you had more damage, speed and mobility.
>thinking of weapons as "the damage weapon"
That's entirely on you, and yes, GS is THE burst damage weapon that focused on huge damage on single hit, which is essentially what SAED and really axe mode is all about.
>shits like saying "cant make it cut tails too good, LS would get mad"
All blademaster weapons that aren't hammer, HH and maybe GL are good at cutting tails so this is another retarded take.

>>743325920
savage axe = you have to stand still doing axe combos instead of just sniping with aed/saed which would often just KO/stagger even if you technically didn't have an opening, it's a move to deliberately make the weapon more risky instead of being able to turtle up in SNS mode and pull a nuke out of your asshole off any random guardpoint/shield thrust like u can in 4u and base world

>>743325684
>this is like saying "dual blades isnt allowed to be good because then it would steal thunder from sword and shield and longsword"
DB is an element weapon with it's billion hits, longsword is a raw weapon because spirit meter gives you flat raw buffs, which means you build them in completely opposite ways even if they're both japanese weeb weapons that burn sharpness

>>743323096
the only weapons that matter are GS, LS and swaxe

>>743326365
>All blademaster weapons that aren't hammer, HH and maybe GL are good at cutting tails so this is another retarded take.
and all the ones that can't fucking reach the tail

>>743326556
i havent played a monster hunter game in literally a decade because of how bad the swaxes were in mh4u

>>743326365
GL can cut off tails easily wtf

>>743326648
swaxe is pretty ok in 4u because evade window/extender were fucking broken in that game and you can use ledges to cancel reload recovery even if the damage isn't very good

>>743323096
Yikes, I thought i was bad with this weapon lol it's longsword that gets me this mad though, I just can't get it

>>743326059
The reason why Red Shield was good was because it was poorly balanced, in itself it's a good addition because it's a finite resource that buffs SnS mode and enables further stacking with more guard options, eventually they fixed this by buffing Lance and GL shields and putting CB in a third place, although gutting the GPs was somewhat excessive imo, especially given the state of the recent games where CB can't keep up with monster speed anymore and GPs are further nerfed by the existence of things like Counter Peak Performance and Perfect Guard.
Shield Thrust is also a non issue and was fixed simply by, again, nerfing MVs, if anything it's a shame that they're not doing more with it as it's perhaps the part of CB that desperately needs some addition given how axe centric it has become from Gen 5 onwards.
4U CB was busted because the numbers behind it were too big, at a moveset level there was nothing really wrong with it, same reason why Lance is still suffering for its sins in first gen MH.

>>743326375
savage axe is boring, and antithetical to how cb is supposed to play
it's meant to be a technical weapon where you charge up phials to snipe the head, not a weapon where you stand still and hold one button in axe mode

>>743326632
Brother every fucking weapon can reach the tail, just hit the fucking legs until they come down, you don't even need to do that for most mons

>>743326842
iirc i was level 300 or 400 online and nobody ever used them because the loot made everything else better.

>>743323096
They made it broken in 4U, so they nerfed it, then it as broken in Base World again, then they nerfed it to the ground again.

It also has this weird reputation from newfags about being a complicated weapon to learn when it's no more complicated than something like Gunlance or Longsword.

It's been pretty shit in recent titles iirc

>>743323096
i liked it in rise but it feels pointless in wilds. same for gunlance desu.

>>743323096
If you don't actively make use of guard point and trigger it many times every single hunt you are not using the charge blade. It's like using great sword without ever charging or never going for ko with hammer.
I feel like people intuitively understand you need to use the gimmick with most weapons but because CB has too many gimmicks they get confused and forget to do some

>>743323229
Kill yourself immediately

>>743323096
Stop playing shit games and play 4U, then learn the way of the god-point combo block. No I won't explain shit, charge blade is for real men.

>>743327132
gunlance performs better in wilds than in rise if you arent a rocketfag

>>743326771
If you like GL you should be used to this slander come on. GL has got to be the most humble weapon desu

>>743327296
>No I won't explain shit, charge blade is for crossdressing homosexuals
damn anon I wasn't expecting you to just admit it like that

>>743327132
Wilds CB is one of the strongest and least boring options and I can't even begin to fathom how one could say that wilds GL of all thing feels pointless when it's the strongest and most consistent GL in the series by a long shot, Wilds GL is fucking amazing and what the weapon should have been for a long time, and the same goes for Lance honestly, Wilds Lance and GL are incredible.

>>743327019
I've been here since tri and CB is the only weapon I have not been able to use in the slightest. This and GS, I just don't like GS because I find the playstyle boring. I wish there was a way to build it without charges and use it like a slow LS, but my friends all love GS and spaz if I try anything that isn't optimal

>>743327326
I really miss the mobility from rise and gu. I hope the dlc adds the jet back

>>743323096
It was dogshit in 4. Then 4G made it slightly too good even though it fell off again in deep endgame. Then they changed a bunch of shit in World and again in Rise. Then Wilds goes and locks SAED after an AED lmao.

>>743327670
Oh right Gen did the stupid fucking yellow/red shield thing along with absolutely gutting guard points. At least aerial CB is fucking awesome after they fixed it by letting you do AED from a vault in GU.

>>743327670
You can still go directly into SAED after blocking, AED strings aren't terrible either since they halved phial costs, just build around Burst and it's a perfectly viable damage option.

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>>743326365
having bad reach literally never matters because you are almost always going for good hitzones, and as you would know it, most of the good hit zones are reachable by every weapon, if not constantly being put near you because a ton of monsters attack at you with their faces (almost always the best hitzone)
sns and dual blades are directly comparable both as agile element weapons, dual blades just as ever so slightly more aggressive play compared to sns because some of sns moveset is locked behind a literal backwards dodge. longsword is there because it is a similarly mobile and fluid weapon unlike stuff like lance or swaxe

>>since gunlance's identity is practically entirely divorced from its shield
>Maybe if you stopped playing MH after 3rd gen.
you're coming up on 20 years since gunlance shield has been relevant bro. give it up. it could have sns level shield and be functionally the same weapon (if you arent dogshit at the game)

>>lance is specifically designed for having a bunch of shield centric gameplay
>So was CB in 4th gen before they nerfed guard points into the ground because again, it was just what Lance could do but better because you had more damage, speed and mobility.

cb had one (and a half) moves it could do out of guard point, and shield thrust is not "shield centric gameplay" because its meant to be "guard centric". it has always been the big axe weapon, and looping ed2 was (and still kind of is, in the way of AED spam with savage axe) a large part of the weapon, it has been supported since fucking forever with stuff like valo style ed3 loops, savage axe in iceborn, sunbreak and now aed1/2 spam in wilds. you CAN play it as a pussy where you just hide behind the shield all the time but that is 100% on you

>GS is THE burst damage weapon that focused on huge damage on single hit, which is essentially what SAED and really axe mode is all about
retard, read above

>all blademaster sans hammer/hh cut tails
not as easy as ls or gs, retard

>>743327326
wilds gunlance would be so much more fun if they just left us with the slam > fullburst combo, instead of adding the double fullburst slash into wyrmstake or whatever, which is extremely strong but doesn't feel nearly as good as the slam

>>743327205
Guard points honestly feel superfluous, a mechanic from a bygone era where the ability to cancel a combo into a defensive maneuver and perform a counter was a lot rarer. It doesn't even need it as a weapon concept because a sword that charges a shield that turns into an axehead for discharges is already plenty reason to swap modes. In fact, do any official sources even mention Guard Points as a mechanic? It feels like they never bring it up and I've only ever even learned about it through online discussion.

>>743328117
its just a progression of the moveset, if we're lucky they'll add in some wyrmstake explosion move with the brace that makes full burst at least competitive with sweeping burst

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>>743327895
>having bad reach literally never matters
So why are you saying LS or GS supposedly have a better time than other weapons at cutting tails?
Because they have no real advantage over other weapons when it comes to that other than reach, GS especially since it's a high commitment weapon that focuses on low hit count.
>most of the good hit zones are reachable by every weapon
So you're seriously saying that there's no functional difference between DB and SA because "both can reach good hitzones"?
What about, you know, actual positioning in terms of defense?
>you're coming up on 20 years since gunlance shield has been relevant bro.
GL's shield has been relevant since, at least, base World.
It is in fact so defining that nobody runs GL without Offensive Guard because your best and most consistent damage options are PG Wyvernfire and PG Slam>FB so no, if GL has SnS' shield it would in fact change the weapon completely.
>cb had one (and a half) moves it could do out of guard point
It doesn't fucking matter when those old GPs let you completely ignore attacks and keep pumping damage, AED/SAED was the cherry on top, they nerfed GPs precisely because even less people would play Lance given that, again, 4th gen CB was faster, had an almost equal shield, GPs AND better damage and mobility.
The entire reason 5th gen introduced pizza cutting and further boosted Lance's GPs was to further disincentivize playing CB like Lance, Wilds went even further by giving Lance even more counter options, higher speed and by far the best shield of all weapons while refusing to give CB any of that and even course correcting the weapon coming from Risebreak by removing CPP.

You have zero understanding of MH fundamentals.

>>743328527
it's a progression in a bad direction
they should have leaned more heavily into existing mechanics, added the guard reload and guard into slam combo, and a blast dash closer to gu than rise

>>743325684
>it is defined by its ability to play supportively with items without having to sheath the weapon

Ah, so you don't know wha you're talking about at all. Lead with that next time.

>>743328914
you are too retarded to have a real discussion with, you are making up imaginary scenarios where switch axe has a harder time hitting heads than dual blades despite neither having any trouble
you're also conveniently ignoring that pg ignores shield levels, and sns pg can tank any hit in the game that a lance pg can, while also ass pulling "gl shield mattered in base world" despite that being verifiably untrue.
cb ignoring attacks doesnt make it any more reliant on shield than sns is, comparing lance gameplay to cb gameplay easily dismisses this blatantly retarded idea that cb gameplay is "shield focused"

5th gen introduced pizza cutter because they had fucked up ed2 loops so bad it was literally never used even on impact phials, and it gave it a better way to play than shield thrust SAEDing everything to death, not to "protect lance's shield gameplay"
>Wilds went even further by giving Lance even more counter options, higher speed and by far the best shield of all weapons
damn its almost like lance was the shield weapon and not charge blade

i'm done arguing with you, you are a retard. charge blade is fine, its design is fine, it just had overtuned damage in 4u and has since been in a good spot. its not stepping on any weapon's toes, it has a perfectly normal niche

>>743327895
> a ton of monsters attack at you with their faces (almost always the best hitzone)
if you don't have to break specific parts to get the item you need you aren't playing a real monhun game but a party masher and writing an effort post like this is pointless

>>743323096
Monhun in general is a game for masochists. There's so much annoying bullshit in it. Only after a hundred hours, and once you got pissed off by every mechanic, and every boss do you come to like it.

>>743325384
It's the best weapon type in Gen 1 but just okay outside of that.

>>743329459
I'm not making up any scenario, you're the retarded caveman who thinks reach=hitting things when reach is both about hitting and not getting hit.
>you're also conveniently ignoring that pg ignores shield levels
Can you PG shit like Gravios' beam or Gog's vomit? Can you even consistently PG attacks?
>and sns pg can tank any hit in the game that a lance pg can
It can't simply because you don't have the windows to do that, Lance can instantly PG inbetween triple trusts, Lance has such low attack commitment its entire plan is to weave in PGs inbetween thrusts at all times while also getting free shield bashes to keep a steady stream of damage while having the most consistent defense, something SnS can't do because it has completely different frame data, no built in shield bash and a rather shitty shield that might as well not exist outside of PGs
>5th gen introduced pizza cutter because they had fucked up ed2 loops so bad
>and it gave it a better way to play than shield thrust SAEDing everything to death
Wrong on so many levels, especially because SAED spam was still very much a thing in IB to begin with.
>its not stepping on any weapon's toes
If it isn't then why did they surgically nerf it starting from the GPs?
But yeah, you should stop arguing because as many people beside me have already pointed out you have no clue about anything.

>>743323096
>CB in GU
oh, thats why, lol.
get the 4U CB mod for GU or just ignore the weapon entirely, the only game it feels good in is 4U or GU with the mod

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>>743323096
>GU
Yeah, it's bad. I did an entire playthrough with the CB last year and as much as I hate to say it, it's not a rewarding weapon at all. Valor LS does basically everything the CB does except 10X better. GU CB doesn't even reward you for being good at guard points because almost all of the actual hard monsters will stagger you for it and give you no follow up. The damage isn't that good either, you're pretty much forced to run striker style for the 20% extra damage on shield charge otherwise every fight feels like it takes way longer than it needs to.

>>743327374
>troon mad
41% is too low, you need to do your part

>>743330426
>Valor
Gay "nuh uh I you didn't hit me" parryslop, the precursor to the literal babbymode mantles for shitters.

>>743330035
>[SnS] can't simply because it doesn't have the windows to do that
Chiming in to say Guard Slash is simultaneously the most reliable way to perfect guard on SnS and also something it can do basically at any time outside of a perfect rush. SnS probably has the easiest time getting a perfect guard out of any weapon. Also the shield is great for dealing blunt/KO damage as a regular attack. It doesn't need to be guarding constantly because it's mobile enough to dodge.

>>743323096
>>keeps bouncing off FUCKING EVERYTHING EVEN AT HIGHEST SHARPNESS
Wrap it up, anons. He's baiting.

I miss aerial CB
iceborne CB was cool but impact explosions damage was cucked to hell

>>743330453
>troon
I don't play CB though?

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>doesn't know how to charge phials
>is ignoring all discussion and spamming tranny
>people are still replying to him

>>743330426
I've been craving Striker CB's super armor lunging attack in other games CBs.

>>743330426
>GU CB doesn't even reward you for being good at guard points
not even 4U CB does this because it'd mangle the regular gameplay. if you can answer every attack with 1 button the rest of your tool set loses all its fucking value which is something even capcom understood before having a stroke and shitting out valor

someone help me understand switch axe, normally with element weapons every hit = set element damage which is why the general logic is fast weapons are better with element, does this include all the little small hits of the element discharge? isn't that really fucking good?

3U if that matters

>>743331357
I was talking about it in comparison to valor LS. Valor LS can guardpoint EVERYTHING. It's literal only weakness iirc are fast multi-hit attacks and you get to initiate a massive damage combo off of it with crazy reach. It's not only op on its own but completely power creeps all of the other weapons that reward defensive play.

>>743331509
I might have had an answer but you said 3U

>>743331509
no because its only on 1 move that has a handful of hits that immediately eats all your phial gauge, forcing you into a reload if you want to spam it. they also fucked switchaxe by giving it only a handful of good options with element

>>743329989
Gen and the oils made it really fun

>>743329989
>It's the best weapon type in Gen 1
only the psp port where it got turbo buffed for no reason, it's dogshit in mh1/g

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>>743331509
>element phial
its time to stop coping and use what you were born to use.

>>743330806
yeah, that's how we know you're a tranny
obviously someone who doesn't understand something as simple as the sexual dichotomy could never understand an easy weapon like CB

>>743331509
The problem is that the switch axe normally has huge raw multipliers, and those rapid hits don't. It evens out, I mean, it's still stronger but you're unlikely to get it off.

>>743331509
Power phial is all that matters in every game SA is present. Though exhaust has a niche in Sunbreak.

>>743326365
>>since gunlance's identity is practically entirely divorced from its shield
>Maybe if you stopped playing MH after 3rd gen.
nah he's right. Gunlance would legit be improved by replacing its shield with a sheathing speed buff (just to medium sheathing speed).
Although the real dream is replacing the shield with A SECOND GUNLANCE PLEASE CAPCOM GIVE ME SIX MORE BLAST DASHES!

>>743334540
It's genuinely funny how bad they are at balancing phials. like SwAxe has Power Phial that is best 100% of the time, then for charge blade they turn around and made Impact Phial, an EVEN STRONGER Power Phial.
Meanwhile Gunlance is stuck with fixed true damage shells that usually suck ass.

>>743335152
The only reason why GL's shelling sucked was that the weapon was never designed meaningfully for the longest time, it was more or less ignored until X/XX where they kinda woke up and remembered it existed AND it had a GUN part.
Fast forward to Wilds and now we have actually great shelling and the weapon itself is finally designed to accomodate aggressive use of the gun part of the weapon rather than being a worse lance that could sometime use some questionable fixed damage burst option.

>>743335152
if they gave impact phials raw scaling to GL in mh4 a third of its problems would be fixed and it's weird that it took them so long to even try making shells good

>>743336238
>if they gave impact phials raw scaling to GL
give me the KO effect too, just to be funny. Imagine Impact shells and landing a full burst slam on a monster's face.

>>743323096
>using LITERAL trans weapons

>>743336327
KO on fullburst would be great

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>>743323096
>Wow this gameplay is fire!
Is actually what SAED spam faggots really think. Wilds CB bodies this shit hard.

>>743323534
GS ruined MH for me because anytime I use a different weapon, I think I could be using GS instead

>>743331357
4U CB guardpoints are a high risk high skill mechanic that does reward you for being good at it. It may do miniscule amounts of KO, but those little chips stack up. I KO'd a molten tigrex with a guard point more than once. But you have to actually be using them in the flow, not just fishing them, to make them worth anything.

>>743334540
>Power phial is all that matters in every game SA is present.
under a speedrun mindset or when you can do something like piss blanket into ZSD, but para SA is really good in some games because the openings let you do the main thing about the weapon (giga dps balanced by overall bad defensive options) way more often

there's also the style in GU where you have 100% chance of doing status buildup when you swap weapons but i forgot what one that is

>>743336373
>Tranny trying to claim shit to ruin it again because everything you do is obnoxious attention whoring
41% now
Your parents didn't beat you enough

savage axe in iceborne is peak CB don't @ me

>>743325384
It's great in Generations Ultimate. Also, you can Shoryuken monsters with the hunter art and it has a satisfying hard hit to it that can stagger monsters.

>>743338853
at you

>>743333432
>only the psp port
Only version worth playing.

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>>743340489
Plus oils.

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>>743323096
man, Monster Hunter really needs rebalancing, like holy shit, CB is so much better than everything else it's not even funny

SNS form:
>mobile as fuck
>fast attacks
>charged sword never bounces off of anything
>guard points invalidate almost all attacks
>combos combo into itself, and has a charge attack

axe mode
>can axe spin to phial stun quickly
>or SAED to absurd burst
>huge ass hitbox to hit flying enemies
>guard point into SAED feels so hmph

like, I really want to play with something else, but everything else feels pathetic close to it

>>743325217
CB was dog shit in base 4

>>743337115
I haven't played Wilds since Mizutsune was added. Is the optimal play style still pizza cutter slop? If so then it doesn't body anything, it's significantly more brainless

>>743340576
gen 1 but casualized and no multiplayer because the community all plays G instead is just a bad game

>he needs a weapon larger than himself to fight monsters
Use SnS or DB you fucking cowards
Big weapon = small pp

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>>743338853
@DumbAnon.

Stop using reverse psychology just to get (You)s, you butt hurt silly boy!

Take a pity (You).

>>743340751
Holyshit this. The oils make it one of the best weapons in the game.

>>743323096
Still better than lance, lance is still bad.

>>743323096
It peaked in 4u and it's been downhill since.

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does anyone here even enjoy using ranged weapons (bows, bowguns)? It's like they are so unsatisfying in every game compared to just running up and bonking a monster

>>743342990
They are for girls. Literally, bowguns are for the token woman in the group or the shittiest player. No, vile schizofags, don't even start, YWNBARW even if you try to copy things women do.

Occasionally you will find someone who becomes a genuine bow autist lord and actually plays well with one, but it's still a boring weapon even when you're great at it. Outside of that, light bowgun is for bored contrarians and HBG is for speedrun farming strats that suck the fun out of the game and at that point find a new game to play. Aerial HBG being the exception because that was actually a close range mobile HBG playstyle. Very much not optimal, but if you care about optimal in monster hunter, you're a boring faggot. Style is more important, looking cool and winning is better than winning 30 seconds faster.

>>743342990
on average I enjoy anything that isn't GS nowadays, but mileage varies depending on the game and generation.
I never particularly liked Lance or SnS until very recently with late 5th gen and Wilds but I always liked DB or SA, I don't like XX and Risebreak CB but I like it in every other entry, I've always been partial to hammer but in late entries it's been very hit or miss for me and I'm not really vibing with its current Wilds version.
When it comes to gunner stuff I feel 5th gen made them a lot more enjoyable than previous games, they were way too barebones even for the average weapon type, but even there I feel they've been pretty hit or miss even from fifth gen onwards outside of LBG which I think is consistently enjoyable, I don't really like HBG post Iceborne and Wilds HBG in particular feels really messy, Bow is in a good place I guess but I really don't like how Wilds basically stole some of MA's gimmicks from DD, homing patriot arrows are stupid and don't belong in these games.

>>743342990
I usually used LBG to deal with assholes like Gravios and Khezu, but beyond that I could never be bothered to actually get into using it or any of the others much.
Tried Bow in SB, but never managed to click with it (not helped by how little damage I would see the arrows do if I missed the Shot-specific weakspots), and for some reason I also could never get into LBG like I used to before, not really sure why.

Bump.

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>>743330426
>Valor GS
We will never reach these heights ever again

why do fags act like any game post 3 have any respect for positioning when every single monster can just 180 spline jump directly on top you with a 400 frame long hitbox that does 90 percent of your hp?
i cant think of a single game that has more bullshit tracking on its attacks other than literally nu-fromsoft games, that are purely doing that to force i frame rolls because they also do not give a fuck about positioning

i'm not even saying i need to be rewarded for being in a monster's ass (even though that is usually a difficult place to get to and should be a reward in a good game that values positioning), but i literally dont get all of the bold face lies people say when they act like monsters arent heat seeking missiles post gen 5
>zinogre forces i frame avoids
>brachy notoriously has 3-4 purely unavoidable attacks that he can do out of literally anything, can turn and jump on you in under the time it takes to sheath your weapon with no skills effectively an input read
>tigrex can do the same thing but he only has 3 moves so its significantly worse
>gore magala's entire moveset has catch-22s on every single punish
>lagi moves at hyper speed
>master rank elders are just like, 6 layers of hitboxes to cover every possible angle
>tons of hitboxes in wilds are just massive spheres
>even stuff like rise will turn the entire collision box on a monster into a hitbox if you are aerial, even if its only a bite move or a fireball

i have been shown literally hundreds of hours of footage and have thousands in the game but i have never seen actually impressive gameplay that isnt ultra reductive AI looping stuff like head staggers/elder topples, or shit like 9* gore being a 100% downed state abusing trap into KO into boulders into boulders, etc for a full 5 minute hunt or worse, people that just throw shit out with rocksteady and a health augment and literally hitting a target dummy for 3 minutes

>>743342990
The only time I used HBG was in MHFU with the busted Lao shan cannon, great and varied selection of elemental ammo, godly damage, can fire every normal shot with a specific set you got auto reload which let you fire forever leading to retarded DPS