"that part", the gameDid Uncs really?
V > IV > VIYou know it's true
I hate how in order to discuss a game I love in this board I have to make a thread or a post pretending I hate it.Fuck this gay shit.
>>743334871in terms of fucking what?gameplay sure but story? the story in V is non existent
early 3D final fantasy > modern final fantasy > 2D final fantasy
>>743334871>4 better than anythinghows that limited inventory space treating you?
>>743334871V has best gameplayVI has best story and musicIV exists
>>743334934V's story is better than VI's too thoughIt's simpler but it stumbles less as a resultVI was way too ambitious for the writing abilities of the Kitase and Gooch at the time
>>743335325No
>>743334934Video games don't have good stories, read a book nigga
>>743335325>V's story is better than VI's too thoughYoure trying too hard.
>>743334913this place is shit by design>>743335405stick to ball and gun games, nigger.
>>743335405Name the ones you read.
>>743334913if you "love" FF6 then you're a fag. imagine being emotionally attached to this melodramatic shounenshit for children
>>743335463I don't play either of those, doesn't change the fact that the 'best video game story' is YAlit level at best.
>>743335350The plot hinges on everything surrounding the Espers being retardedly written>Hey so we've got this gate that mostly keeps humans out but also occasionally doesn't work sometimes>Should we have anyone guard it?>Nah it'll be fiiiiine>Oh shit someone got in, but it's okay because it's just some chick>Maybe next time it won't just be some chick, though - should we have anyone guard it?>Nope>Oh shit an old man and two random guys came in, uh they're REALLY scary for some reason, even though some of us are literal kaiju that could just step on them>Better use the spell that sucks every human out of the realm instantly and permanently seals the gate because for some reason it wasn't just fully sealed in the first place>And now we can't get any of our friends back from the empire until someone from the OUTSIDE opens the gate... awh, dang it, we're so silly lel
>>743335121You don't need items to beat that game, it's telling if that's your only complaint
>>743335479Last two books I read this year were David Copperfield and Tom Jones, currently reading Barnaby Rudge
You jelly, thief boy?
>>743335549Objectively false, but this entire thread is in bad faith anyway
>>743335585quite possibly the most reddit thing I've ever read please kill yourself
>>743335549of course video game writing pales in comparison to novels, novels rely entirely on the strength of their writing, whereas video games only need writing compelling enough to get you to care about the game's characters. "Good story" means completely different things in the context of books and games, just as it does between books and film/television, and you're a nigger for not getting that.
>>743335667Name the game that you think has the greatest literary merit. If you say some xeno-series shit or nier i'm going to laugh for the rest of the week
>>743335795Concession accepted
>>743335816>"Good story" means completely different things in the context of books and games, just as it does between books and film/television,Sounds like cope. Also, "Television is for niggers."
>>743335816>of course video game writing pales in comparison to novelsAs an average, yeah. But if you pick out individual exceptions, there are absolute masterpieces in every medium
>>743335832And that's exactly the problem, instead of engaging with the substance, people just laugh. It's not criticism, it's just status. Anyway, yes, that game with the peculiar Disc 2
>>743335816There's actually 0 reason a game can't have novel-tier writing and prose style and has to rely on retard level bullshit like >>743335585describes
>>743335892Visual media gets to utilize visual art, video games get to utilize interactivity. Books (which I don't deny are the highest form of narrative art) don't have either of those, so the place of writing in each of these types of media is different. And of course television is for niggers, it was deemed as fit for mass consumption and as such was completely gutted by jews to negrify the world. That doesn't change that video games CAN (even though they usually don't) have good stories, such as they require them.>>743335902Masterpiece video games don't compare in writing to masterpiece books, and shouldn't.
>>743336024Xenogears is high grade light novel tier I will grant you that
>>743336026>novel-tierTons of novels are shit. Writers capable of producing writing strong enough to create a great novel, something that relies entirely on writing, don't work in video games. If they did, it's unlikely that they're going to be in a team that also has people capable of producing great gameplay, alongside people who are capable of creating creat video and audio styles. Video games are a union of writing, video/audio, and gameplay, but if a video game is going to be great at any of these, the first should be gameplay. That doesn't mean that the writing can't be good, but you're delusional if you think we'll ever have a game that's a masterpiece of all three. Great writers will just want to write, not write for someone else's game. There COULD be a hypothetical renaissance man writer/coder/designer, there just won't be.
>>743336050Okay but even manga writing which is highly visual is much better than video game writing. Why can't you just admit the people who write stories for video game are largely bad writers and a good writer could actually write a good story within the medium, but this almost never happens.
>>743336260>something that requires two disciplines tends to have better examples of one of them when compared to something that requires an entirely separate third discipline which defines itWhoooaooaoaaoaa!>Why can't youblah blah blah, I do in the post above yours, we disagree less than you think. Anonymous imageboard conversations are sloppy.
>>743336050>>743336083What intrigues me are the criteria, because even within literature itself there is no single, unified consensus, take Nabokov's stance against the prose of Dostoevsky, or writers like Kafka and Camus whose style is dry and no-frills. In short, prose does not have to be particularly sophisticated to have literary value.
>>743336604Everything will have detractors but I think some examples are so widely respected by people that are well-read that it's as close to objectively good as you can get. Not everything needs neat little boxes.
VI has great characters but a mediocre story.
>>743337250The story is basically “Steampunk Star Wars but Darth Vader is a clown”. It’s great but definitely not for everyone.
I don't think Terra was appreciative enough of her Half Dog step father for raising her. Never said a thank you, not even during the meeting before the Gate event. Probably one of those little things Square ambiguously left untouched.
>>743334813FF6 is bad linear sloppa until World of Ruin6 is honestly as bad as Final Fantasy 13 in some regards
if you're ever doing a low level game prepare for your ass to be beaten on the way to Floating Continent. That boss is no joke....hell you have three phases of a boss rush. Abosolute Zero must be avoided otherwise you're done. If you have Celes, cast Runic. Locke can steal something, but I don't remember what. Gau would be very beneficial if you have been leaping across the Veldt for some powerful spells and support spells. Terra or Edgar is a must. As long you can make it to Isolated Isle, you're good. just feed Cid some very fast fish to recover. I hate the fact I overwrote my LLG save by mistake when I was tired and have a Celes file from hours earlier.
>>743338159
Related, but what's the verdict on 8?
>>743334813Yeah that scene of Celes getting raped in the dungeon and left in a pool of cum was pretty unnecessary
>>743337628She has an uncured amnesia, so she doesn't remember him raising her.
>>743338113Relm kawaii
>>743338408The most unfinished Final Fantasy game until 13
>>743338518She was also taken as a baby so why would she remember him?
>>743338518Amnesia is just bad writing
Was thinking about making a Terra thread but this saves me the trouble.
>>743338408bad everything, only remembered because of music, acceptable graphic and squall being relatable to anons
desu 4 is pretty based getting to start as the bad guy
>>743338758oh please, Cecil is whiny drama-whore from the get go.
>>743338758Rydia is literally the only good character from 4
>emperor kidnaps half esper child>mmm should I experiment on her trying to get a half divine superweapon through mind control?>nah let's just have her use the battle mech all my soldiers use lol
>>743339019Tellah is cool
>>743335585Maduin IS the guard.
>>743339027They can do both
>>743335549The best stories in vidya TO ME have been visual novels or adjacent. So you may have a point.
>>743338758Kain is cool but I just like dragon helmet in general.
>>743334871>iv>introduce key character early on>she's a summoner/magic user, that's her whole thing>she is completely useless against the final bossyou're kidding yourself if you think iv is better than vi
>>743334871IV is shit
>>743334813>that partYou mean the good parts? Yeah I agree
It's quite comfortably VI > V > IV
>>743334813>UncsOpinion discarded
>>743338408it's good and anyone hating on it are just tourists
>>743339376>she is completely useless against the final bossZeromus's big bang attack is a team wipe unless you cast black magic on him
>>743338583We're talking about Gestahl.>>743338653Only if it results in a fabricated twist. Terra's doesn't, because she never regains her memory. It does give way for an unsavory reason why she doesn't, unlike every other amnesiac.
The slave crown stays ON during sex.
>>743339518no. big bang is ONLY a wipe if you use black magic which causes big bang to do more damage, it doesn't wipe if you only use physical attacks. you literally can only use items with rydia or you will otherwise wipe, making her completely useless.
the part where you play as Locke and have to change outfits is completely dogshit
>>743339789>big bang is ONLY a wipe if you use black magic which causes big bang to do more damageNo, it's precisely the opposite. Casting black magic on Zeromus will greatly reduce his big bang attack's damage.Zeromus will cast retaliating black magic but it's still less devastating.
>>743339825That part where Celes pleasures 12 different imperial soldiers so you can sneak into the Magitek factory was based though.
>>743334871>TFW I even liked FFII more than IV.First game ever that managed to make me fall asleep thrice while playing it.I don't know how Gen Xers and early Millenials can glaze it so much when its one of the most boring on rails RPGs ever with next to no customization or party building options.Maybe I should have tried the DS version instead, although that wouldn't have saved the boring story.
Edgar pig.
>>743339019palom and porom are awesome wtf are you on
>>743335170- 5 character party, yet ATB remains fast and smooth (assuming you are playing SNES/SFC and not one of the shitty remakes)- minimal class/ability bloat, but still plenty of useful support abilities like berserk and wall- Story is fast-paced, game doesn't overstay its welcome- Cecil's redemption arc is solid- best final boss battle- awesome spell animations- Rydia and Rosa- Last game with the old school stat/equipment system where a single "fight" action is technically multiple attacks.IV is far and away the most underrated old school final fantasy game and this thread is doing a good job proving it. Not to say that V and VI aren't good also but
Why hasn't 6 got a 3d remake?I'm sure they would fuck it up somehow, but it would still be neat to see a modern reimagining of that game imo.
>>743340509Because it would be "too expensive".And also because 5 didnt get it.
>>743340509>FF6 but hardImagine that
>>743340279Terra is too old for Edgar
>>743340509I'll bet after the VII remakes finally wrap up they're gonna do do it again for VI or X. Anything to avoid XVII
>>743340579Nobody is asking for 5 to get one though.
>>743339376Anon, you use Nuke and ONLY Nuke.Not meteo. Not summons. Just Nuke.
>>7433390194 has a fantastic cast.The only real issue is that it's so many classic archetypes. A Paladin is the archetypal protagonist from the medieval chivalric romance on which modern fantasy is based. He has a devoted, beautiful and loving healer girlfriend. His best friend Kain is weak-willed and jealous, like his biblical namesake. The Bard is a scared pampered princeling. Yang is a spirited fighting monk. Cid is a ball-busting workaholic.But they're all embraced and played straight so it works. There are enough twists and details to keep it interesting, particularly with the Star Warsy redemption theme behind everything.
>>743338408retarded and kino
>>743340896They went full retard with the brother and lunarian shit
>>743334871No, VI > V > IV. Four is too on rails to be fun, five's story is "child bashing toys together" tier. Six has a good balance.
>>743339376>>743339518>>743339789>>743340016Her low HP is a problem, it is often easier to just leave her down if she falls. But there are multiple viable ways to use Rydia. (Including giving her Gold/Silver Apples to boost her HP)Most people don't realize how massive the stat swings are on the equipment in FF4. If you're having trouble with Zeromus countering her spells, you can build her as a melee character. She won't do as much damage as Kain, Cecil and Edge but it's enough to make a difference, especially if she chugs a bacchus wine.Setting aside that picrel is level 71, you can see there's a 30 point swing in her Strength stat. This is something like a 250% increase in her melee damage output. It's a less if you only have the flame whip, but it's in the same ballpark.The other thing you can do is reflect spells off Walls. Zeromus won't counter spells if you do it that way. (downside there is you lose full-party healing)
>>743334871Nah.VI > IV > V
>>743340961No, they didn't.Remember the theme is redemption. If Cecil redeemed himself, why not Golbez?And that's Cecil's final test also: forgiveness. Modern world has forgotten these virtues, taken them for granted. Not surprising that people don't understand the saturday morning cartoon tier story that is FF4.
FF4 is based as hell
>>743338408A complete fucking mess, but at least it's an interesting mess. I often accuse VIII's fans as not liking the game at all, but rather the fanfiction based on the game that they wrote in their own heads. But I have to admit that no one's looking at 13, 15, or 16 with the same rose-tinted goggles, so at least 8 gives them something to latch onto.
Zemus - irredeemable. Pure evil.Golbez - redeemed, but his evil was so great he must remain exiled as penanceKain - partially redeemed, still needs to work on his inner strengthCecil - fully redeemed
>>743341412>her
>>743334871the beyond chaos randomizer elevates VI to the best of the three
>>743334913>being in 4chan>whining about shitpostingLol, you have to go back.
>>743338408mogs IX into oblivion
>>743340509>FFVI has 14 party members>yet FFIV The After Years has more than 10 party members you can change overtime.I think they should use Ever Crisis graphics.
>>743340961FF4 went full retard a lot earlier>Yang sacrified himself by punching a computer super hard>lol jk he tanked that>Cid sacrificed himself by blowing himself up>lol jk he tanked that>Palom and Porom sacrificed themselves by purposely petrifying themselves to stop the wall>Cecil didn't consider to depetrify the twins even though he has 99 golden needles in his backpack>Got depetrified by someone else offscreen
>>743338408Great game. Love all the crazy secrets in it.
>>743342114I don't know if I misread, but FFIV was meant to have a party menu at one poin.
>>743338408I remember Lyle Rath losing his shit because of the plot twist
>>743342171apparently FFIV was intended to be a "best of" of the NES trilogy and would've pulled a little bit of everything from each game. didn't exactly pan out.
>>743340509The game is too massive. Square said it would take them 30 years to remake it in modern graphics
Why did she grow up to have pink hair?
considering he went mad after becoming a magitek knight, can we really consider him to be evil and not an unfortunate victim of circumstances?
>>743342654Play stupid but win stupid prizes
>>743342267Got a clip of that?
>>743342654If we have to accomodate every unfortunate victim of circumstances in existence, there wouldn't be peace.
Kefka except he laughs like Tidus
>>743342905Nah his sanic.exe laugh is too iconic
>>743342654Yes, he became evil. He is evil incarnate, a mad man. The man we never met died, and a new Kefka is born. Just because he could have been good before, ultimately the Kefka we know is pure evil and beyond any point of redemption. It is somewhat tragic to dwell on what he could have been before, but that no longer exists. What is in his place is a mass murdering genocidal maniac that has to be stopped.
I love Terra Branford and want to make her a wife and biological mother.
Terra > Batman
You did rename the FF6 cast like the game expects you to, right? What are their names?
>>743343374BitchSlutAsswipeDickholeFuckerFaggotShitterBallbutt
>>743343374Terra Locke Edgar Sabin Celes Shadow Cyan Setzer Mog Strago Relm Gau Gogo Umaro and Interceptor.
>>743343494Why'd you rename Tina Terra?
>>743334813Well, what part?
I see retard-speak on OP, I shat on it.*BRRRAPPP**SPLORTCHHHHHH!*
>>743343553I don't know, I just thought it was really thematic, as Terra means Earth in latin. Tina sounds too close to Tifa. Also I think its a good symbolic choice as she battles with her nature, albeit a different kind of nature, it helps give her an earthly sound for a somewhat alien being. It also plays into the idea of two worlds that are present within the game, so I think the latin word for "Earth" or "world" is a fitting choice.
>>743342114>Cecil didn't consider to depetrify the twinsTellah immediately tries and fails.It's a game for 12 year olds, actually killing off half the main characters wouldn't make it a better story.
>>743335405Something tells me you can't read
>>743343553Terra is a much better name than Tina.
>FF4>equip Cecil's sword on his left hand for shits>higher attack>realize he's left handedFuck.
>>743340794It was planned to have one.
>>743344145yet FF2 kills practically all of its cast
Terra has been sexualized a lot these past 2 years. It used to be Garnet and Fran, but now it's Terra. It's too much.
>>743344332Most Terra posters are very wholesome like their waifu
>>743344332I prefer Rydia.
>>743344491Rydia is just slutty Terra
>>743342374I think Square is the real problem. Hand that shit off to a dev team that's done more than milk a shitty mmo for years.
>>743334871FPBP
ExDeath/X-Death >>>>> KefkaThis is the coolest armor in fiction IMO.
>>743335424I love bait chan so much bros.
>>743341987Free Enterprise might be the best randomizer for any game. It addresses the games few shortcomings (too linear, not enough content, no character swapping) while excellently preserving the spirit of the original gameplay. Beyond Chaos is cool if you want to play an absurd off the wall challenge game that is barely recognizable apart from the ATB combat and some of the graphics.
>>743344317>FF2You mean the one nobody ever talks or cares about?
Terra has a lot of baggage being a single mom to like 15 kids
>>743334813I enjoyed VI but I didn't love it. Locke was my favorite (personality-wise) and having to go through the whole Phoenix cave just to get him back in the World Of Ruin was a drag. Though I might just be a less is more guy with the number of characters you can play with (and also a retard)
>>743344317That's because Kawazu was still at the helm back then and he actually cared
>>743344332>>743344450This, Terrafaggots are very tame, as they should, Terra is for lovemaking, not sex.
>>743344145I didn't see Tellah as a reliable spellcaster.I did backtrack to the castle to try to use the gold needle on the twins, but Cecil refuses to use it despite having the item prompt showing up.
>>743343374My first playthrough I backspaced Edgar's name but decided to put it back the way it was but I was a wee lad so I misspelled it as "Edger" and my older brother chuckled but didn't correct me. I used to watch him play it a lot, he was a walking strategy guide who learned every secret. I treasure the memories. We replayed it a lot and and named Edgar and Sabin after each other (we both liked Sabin more and would give Edgar the other one's name).
>>743335502As opposed to being emotionally attached to...?
>>743334813why yes I love the opera scene
>>743341909Yes.
It's coming home.
>>743334813Which part? The one where Celes fucking kills herself?
>>743348034how did they get away with this?
>>743348192She lives through the attempt
>>743344620over designed slop
>>743348632ExDeath's lines are actually pretty conservative compared to modern FF, it's just hard to get the shape of his armour right because you have to color it in correctly.
>>743344528No one has made a AAA game with a scope comparable to FF6 in over 20 years.
>>743334813floating continent music is so badass
>>743338159>>743338216I used to think this was pretty neat but FFV blew my mind holy shit
>>743349127>explore a castle moat on a whim>it leads to Shiva>revisit the squirrel cave for the heck of it>it leads to Odin5 is discoverykino
wife
>>743349806Locke is so lucky...
V fucking sucks and I'm sick of everyone pretending like it's a great rpg
>>743335502i love melodramatic shonenshit... it's why i played MGQ read higurashi like nasu vns watched heisei kamen rider drool on my own shirt and jerk myself off to mio namimi asmr
>>743348580It's been awhile, but wasn't there a legit ending to that scenario where she can actually permanently die?
>>743350409No, whether she tries to take her life or not Celes definitely lives through this sequence to start the second half of the game. You are probably thinking of Cid, who can live or die depending on how good you are at fishing.
>>743350497I remembered that the best result was saving Cid, I just thought that there was a world where Celes could actually be removed from the cast.
>>743350497>Private island with a gorgeous woman cooking every meal for himCid had it made
FFVI is a 5/10 JRPG at best
>>743334813>"that part", the gameThat's Twilight Princess.
>>743350497>you have to eat ALL the fish>why are you doing this celes
>>743334813FFVII is far worse
>>743336604Kafka's and Camus' dryness actually works in their favor because it parallels their themes.
>>743334813desu the only part of FF6 that I find kind of a slog is the Sabin scenario, the rest of the game is a breeze.
>>743334871X >= XI > XII > V >= VII/VIII > IXFixed that for you
>>743334871VII > V > VI ~ IX > IV > VIII
>>743335170IV is the best of two worlds
>>743334871Dead on.
>>743355114>third best FF is VINot with Gogo, Umaro, Mog, Relm, Strago and Gau
>>743355114You're funny, I hope you know that
>>743334913I say this unironically, but, Reddit is a better place if you want to have a positive conversation about a game. You come to 4chan to bash shit, not to talk about games you love. Mind you I absolute hate reddit, but there is some pros to a carebare echo chamber.
>>743355238just be happy I'm not busting out non-golden age stuff to also throw above IV and VIII
>>743335405Hahaha, this faggot over here reads books. You can throw "nigga" at the end of your post, you're still a dork.
>>743342654Baram… no…
>>743355316The funny thing is 7 and 5 are the only games you won't piss off fans of 6 by putting above it, but 4 absolutely will
Terra and Celes should have been merged into a single character named Terra, who is just pulled along for WoB, but finally gains agency in WoRCeles instead should have taken General Leo's role, playing both The Good Empire General and also Lady With Magic that Terra can look up to, before Kefka kills her too.It makes much more sense for Terra (who has about a month worth of memories and blames herself for ending the world by opening the esper gate) to want to kill herself, rather than Celes (war-hardened general).It is much more thematically resonant for Terra (Kefka's slave plaything for more than a decade, natural magic vs. Kefka's artifical magic, born from love vs. fucking around with statues) to lead the party against him, rather than Celes (Kefka's... former magic-infused coworker/rival, I guess? And Gestahl wants them to mate?)I can go on and on about this (Locke as Terra's first friend, Terra failing to kill herself, Cid making much more sense as a father figure for Terra than Celes). About the only reason to keep the story in its current state is if you really want to commit to the ensemble nature of FF6.
>>743355114Would be correct if it was VIII > IX > IV
>>743335325I know you're just baiting, but you do have half a point. FF6 trying to tell a full story for each character was definitely biting off more than it could chew. And it definitely suffered for that ambition.
>>743335325Brutally based.
>>743334871it's literally the opposite
>>743356969Not for each character really. Terra, Celes, Locke, the twins and Cyan have more development, the rest are sidequest tier or nonexistent.
>>743357557You're right, but developer interviews did say that they wanted to treat every character with the same level. Even though Terra and Celes were the lens through which you played both parts, every character was supposed to be equally important. Obviously they failed.
>>743357703There is no way Umaro was supposed to be as relevant as the others.
>>7433350417 > restI played 7 for the first time just couple years ago and was surprised how well it plays. 9, on the other hand, felt like molasses and I genuinely hated playing it by the end. There's a good reason they added 4x fast forward in the re-release.
>>743340509nigger, it took them 10 years to remake ff7.How many years do you think it would take if they remade 6?
>>743355412Kefka needs to die so that Baram can rest… he didn’t deserve that cruel fate… Baram…
>>743350563That's basically impossible because Celes is the MC at that point. If she died the game would be over. The next characters she encounters are Sabin (optionally, in Tzen) and Edgar in Nikeah.
>>743345035Yeah, it doesn't work. No effect. Are zoomers really this clueless about storytelling or are you just one extreme autist?>>743357892You're right. It's always amusing to see autists interpret vague memories of dev marketing interviews as hard literal facts.
>>743334813This came out when I was like 10? Played it like 100 times. Used game genie to mod the game before I knew what modding even was. Start with An Aegis Shield, or add enemy skills to a character, or whatever. Various mods.Love it. It is a big part of my childhood memories.
>>743362963If she died they'd just make someone else the mc
>>743355985>About the only reason to keep the story in its current state is if you really want to commit to the ensemble nature of FF6.What a silly post. The ensemble nature of FF6 was the main premise, the core idea, the selling point, the raison d'être, I could go on. If you're trying to fix flaws or otherwise improve the story/game, that's the aspect you can't change. And indeed one of the actual real criticisms of FF6 is how questionable designs in the underlying RPG systems wind up working against the ensemble cast nature. Eg everyone has the roughly the same HP/mana, the magic stat is the only stat that really does much, everyone can learn every spell, etc.
>>743355306>Reddit is a better place if you want to have a positive conversation about a game.The flipside being that you can't offer any criticisms without getting banned. So you can either mindlessly glaze products with other happy go lucky retards there, or you can voice your real opinion and get zero replies here.
>>743341805>no one's looking at 13 ... with the same rose-tinted gogglesApparently they exist. Theres a tumblrina on youtube whose entire personality is that she likes ff13.
>>743363696That would require a major reworking of the plot. The plot is, that Celes is on an abandoned island. She escapes the island on Cid's raft and crosses the ocean to Albrook where she has her first real experience of what the ruined world is really like. Celes and the player are thus introduced to the new, desolate world map with Kefka's junk tower in the middle and various places to explore.This is important because the player and Celes know the exact same amount about the world. We can't just cut to some other character if Celes dies, eg Sabin in Tzen, because then there wouldn't be a clean introduction to the World of Ruin. We don't even know if Tzen still exists at that point.
