Will anyone ever create a JRPG with a story better than the best visual novels?
>>743335981Persona 6 wil-BAHAHAHA no, I can't do it.
Undertale and Deltarune already exist.
nope, and thats more than finewe get to enjoy the heavy anime branch of media at higher quality and production budgetwe get to enjoy a genre that has gatekept itself from globohomo because it doesnt sell millions in the first 10 dayswe are fine, let them keep churning out garbage JRPGs over and over againdo not make this thread again btw, i dont like people learning that great VNs existTHEY ALL SUCK THEY ALL SUCK THEY ALL SUCK
>>743335981Sell me on MuvLuv, is it really that good? What makes it so good
>>743336297>What makes it so goodthe pornography
What are the best visual novels, OP?
>>743336297its the Mushoku Tensei of post-apocalyptic alien mecha anime stories, there's a before and after Muv Luv when it comes to creating anime worlds that were raped by alien overpowered invaders and the indomitable human spirit that resists against themIsayama literally plagiarized Muv Luv to create the setting and a lot of plot points for Attack on Titan
>>743336397I'm not spoonfeeding if you don't know what the pictures are.
They did 30 years ago
>>743336149Rance is okay but not better than either of the ones in the OP.
>>743336397Remember 11.
>>743336573The before and after of Haruhi Suzumiya... Haruhiism was so much fun to be a part of, but it led to light novel adaptations galore and further killed original series. SAO ended up making anime synonymous with isekai at this point.
Anyone praising muvluv is a 13 year old trapped in a 40 year old man's body
>>743336802see that's the beauty of VNs, they don't become as mainstream as LNs either because Japs are still shit eaters but with a different tasteVNs tend to inspire more manga than anything, and those manga get adapted to anime but nobody knows the original concept came from a VNit's good that way, Fate Go brings the free cash and hopefully Nasu keeps writing this VNs debt-free
>>743335981Better than those two? There are plenty.
>>743336297The sci-fi, the buildup for the aliens (you encounter the first one 50 hours into the story), the rollercoaster of emotions, and last but not least, the girls.
>>743335981>visual novelsNot video games.
>>743337574sony lost btw
>>743336171Nice joke.
>>743335981Steins;Gate is massively overrated, and most people will drop Muv Luv within 10 hours.
>>743335981Chrono Trigger surpassed both of them decades ago already
Persona is great actually. Fight me.
>>743335981Why are visual novel fags so up their own ass? These are literally just worse books. I tried both of the ones in the OP and they were barely highschool literature level.
>>743336297Just ignore and spoilers and start reading it dude.
>>743336662Name names.
>>743336149you're wrong, but you have good taste
>>743336297The only thing people sell MuvLuv on are the cute girls and characters dying horribly (brooooo that was so EFFED UP) so I expect it's heavily overrated as an actual story.
>>743335981Better than both btwI could throw in Panzer Dragoon Azel too
>>743340003Xenogears
Stiens;Gate has to the most overrated VN of all time.
I haven't played this.Why do people jerk off over this so much?
>>743340359It's not even close and you're a pretentious contrarian.
>>743335981Not from a shitty JRPG, no.
>>743340284I mean the character dying horribly happens after two and a half visual novels, it's a very slow burn story that hits you when you least expect it. In fact it's easy to forget that the world is in danger when you've been goofing off with an ensemble cast for hours upon hours on end. The 3rd VN also gets really autistic about military and world building details, so it's fun to speculate about the rest of the world and see how thing play out in all the side-material afterward.
>>743340434What would you consider more overrated as visual novels, then?
>>743341037Everything Key shits out, for starters.
Muv Luv is overrated and there are people who try to sell you that the garbage called EXTRA is good.
>>743341037MuramasaRanceWA2Baldr SkyClannadKatawa ShoujoDDLCVallhallaLittle BustersDies IraeUtawarerumonotake your pick.
>>743341115EXTRA is a weird one, Muvluv isn't really complete without experiencing it... but man is it painfully generic. The transition to UNLIMITED is so cool however and you it's hard not to replay it once you finish ALTERNATIVE.
>>743335981Yeah it won GOTY last year because it was the first time a JRPG has ever gotten a good story.
>>743341275>FFX clone
>>743339319Visual novels are much worse books but they're written much better than video games and still come with music and bright colors.
>>743335981Okay but what if I didn't think either of those were anything to write home about? And they don't even have any fucking gameplay.
>>743341513What kind of a stories do you enjoy, anon?
>>743341573Movies, usually. VNs are long, but the few that I've tried were unbelievably bloated garbage with no sense of how to use time well.
>>743335981Muv Luv and Steins;Gate are overrated, real ones know that Muramasa is better than both.
>>743341628There are short visual novels you can check out, like Higurashi and Saya no Uta for example.
>>743341663Based taste
>>743335981Muv-Luv aliens are so cool
>>743341691Maybe I will check those out depending. I'm not against giving VNs another shot, I'm just not optimistic.
>>743342431Fair, it's a niche format for a reason.
>>743335981Xenogears already exists
>>743335981Chrono Trigger. Not that any of you have played it.
>>743336397Funbag Fantasy series
>>743335981>the best visual novelsPic unrelated?
>>743336806Literally me
>>743339319Because there are people who spend years learning a dying islands language to read them
>>743341037Utawarerumono Mask of Truth
>>743336171is this the thread?
>>743335981on the 1% chance you're being authentic, here are my playtimes for muv luv and steins gate vns via steambelow it is Lunar, a duology whose story outclasses the overarching narratives for both Lunar and steins gate, while also being a conventional turn based jrpg-- on the 99% chance that you're being a disingenuous cocksucker, kill yourself.
>>743342968I like this until the last act with the Human villain and his twinks. It really loses steam at that point. But maybe it's my fault for binging just after ending Mask of Deception, that ending was so good.
signs that a person has never read anything of value in their entire life:- praising steins mid
>>743335981JRPGs are a trash genre. repetitive gameplay, slop stories.
>>743343209>I like this until the last act with the Human villain and his twinks. It really loses steam at that point. It really does just go to complete shit by that point
>>743335981That has been done plenty of times. Despite it being their entire focus, there aren't any VNs with a particularly good story.
>>743335981I want to try a good VN, but I've already seen the Steins;Gate anime which would take away from the VN, and I'd rather not play something called Muv-Luv. What's #3?
>>743344012fata morgana
>>743344012if you're new to VNs definitely try Witch on the Holy Night
>>743335981What go muvluv tards keep shilling their overrated slop like it's top tier? No one gives a shit about it. That's why it never got a proper adaptation.
Xenogears is probably the only JRPG that really, truly has a story on par with the best visual novels and the game heavily fucking suffers because they prioritized the story over the game.
>>743335981Even Re:Zero is better than Steins;gate, why do people keep hyping that shit
>>743344961Because it's among the most well written VNs ever, has excellent character writing and an intricate time travel plot, all of which Re:Zero is not.
>>743336093IT WILL!
I haven't played the S;G VN, but I think anyone who has will agree that the OVA ruined the anime's ending with a cliché, reassuring happy ending
>>743336297it's not really good but it has cool robots (50 hours in) and girls with balloon tits in see through bodysuits (censored in modern versions)
higurashi megamogsumineko gigamogs>>743345048the writing is nothing special, the characters are all one note and there's no development for 90% of the cast. the plot is the most run of the mill scifi imaginable
>>743345292I mean the main steins;gate story itself is already a cliche happy ending. It's almost comical how perfectly everything works out for everyone which makes it feel kind of shallow in the end.
>>743345635>What is an earned happy endingYou clearly didn't get it so just stop talking.
For me, it's Katawa Shoujo.
>>743344961>reddit:zero
>>743341275https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCCwBYcPads
>>743335981Xenogears, maybe? But even then that's maybe on par, not better.>>743336149That's not Kichikuou Rance...>>743340370Kino fight scenes, great story, elder god tier protagonist.>>743341037Umineko>>743344012Muramasa and Subarashiki Hibi are both much better than S;G and Muv Luv. But to truly get Subahibi you should read Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus beforehand if you haven't already.
>>743335981Final Fantasy XIV, the best expansions are on par I would say.
>>743335981S;G isn't even that well written
>>743336297MuvLuv has always sucked. It was a shitty porn game that had a "heehee it's plug suits but they're see thru look at the nipples and the aliens are penises" gimmick. A single jpeg of a head chomp does not make it a "gripping war story" when 95% of everything outside that jpeg is the most generic dating sim garbage imaginable. The Mech designs are godawful indecipherable messes right out of Michael Bays Transformers. It has nothing any audience wants today. The reason every attempt to adapt it has failed, and every attempt will always fail, is that it's not 2003 and people have seen everything Muvluv has to offer a million times and a million times more competently.
>>743335981>best visual novelsMuramasaRance XLessons in Love
>>743335981If that's your bar then it only illustrates how garbage jap shit really is.
>>743335981I like Black Souls more than nearly every other VN other than maybe Muramasa.
>>743335981>Cuck Luv and troon;gatekek
>>743336397>What are the best visual novels, OP?By Genre:Shonen / Fighting / Chunni: Fate/Stay Night, Fate Hollow Ataraxia, Tsukihime, Tokyo Necro, and The Witch on Holy Night, and Baldr SkyEdgelord kino: Muramasa, Saya no UtaMystery: Danganronpa, Zero Escape Trilogy, Phoenix Attorney TrilogyMystery + Horror: Fata Morgana, Fata Morgana: Innocence, Umineko, Higurashi, Slay the Princess, Kara no Shoujo Trilogy / The Shell Trilogy, and Cartagra Subversive: You Me and Her / Totono, Doki Doki Literature ClubSlice of Life: Majikoi, Grisaia, Katawa Shoujo, and most KEY visual novels (their most famous one is Clannad)Overrated as fuck but still above the average visual novel: Muv Luv Extra, Muv Luv Alternative, Steins;Gate, Dies Irae
>>743348065Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime are dogshitUmineko is vastly overrated>fucking DDLC
>>743336171I'm trans btw
>>743348173>Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime are dogshitlolno>Umineko is vastly overratednope>fucking DDLCThe last 2 hours of it make the entire experience worth it.
>>743348173>Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime are dogshitOG Tsukihime is alright, actually. F/SN and the remake are indeed dogshit, though.
>>743336171Gayest post I've seen today, even if it's just bait.>>743348173Trvke.
>>743348065maybe Hollow Ataraxia as a slice of life extra?
>>743348238>OG Tsukihime is alright,Only Akiha and the maid routes are good. Ciel and Arcueid's routes are awful>F/SN and the remake are indeed dogshitlolno, Heaven's Feel is incredible and UBW is peak shonen. The Tsukihime remake is just the Arcueid and Ciel routes if they were actually well written.t. someone who read the original Tsukihime over a decade ago
>>743345578>the writing is nothing specialOnly according to a jaded retard.
>>743348263>maybe Hollow Ataraxia as a slice of life extra?Fair enough. I just lumped it in the chunni section because I remember it having a lot of good fights. But the VN is mostly SoL, so you're correct.
>>743348313>Ciel remake>actually well writtenUnfunny joke.
>>743348313arc's route was mostly the same, are you retarded?
>>743345578Higurashi and Umineko are dogshit.
>>743348379>arc's route was mostly the same, are you retarded?The pacing was much better and the new character (like Goto Saiki) and lore additions made it a lot more tolerable.
>>743348342having standards =/= being jaded
>>743348342>Only according to a jaded retard.Have you tried reading actually good sci-fi? Ya know, like an actual book?
>>743348556>like an actual bookWhy would I read something without cute girls in it?
>>743338689delusionalmabu rabu and Reddit’s gate are bad examples albeit
>>743348590The girls here are both cute and funny.
>>743348590>Why would I read something without cute girls in it?Books can have cute girls tho
>>743348773>>743348590Another one
>>743335981jarpigs are shitty fake games with awful stories and snoy tier braindead “gameplay” that tricks you into thinking you are having funvns are the more honest medium despite most of them being mediocre
>>743348886true aside from action jrpgs like Ys and grid-based stuffX niggas in a row is a braindead genre, without exception
>>743336397Kiss Sister series
>>743335981Here fren. it might not have as good of a story as the two but its era was the crescendo of the genre creating the culmination of the greatest JRPG
>>743336297World building.
>>743350253>watch these aliens rape your childhood friend while she tells about how much she liked it!SHITEbuilding
>>743350426I love Sumika and that plot element does not bother me. She was experimented on by ayyyyliens, it's not netorare.What is much more significant is the fact that Sumika was the only brain left alive because she simply kept calling out to the MC. She's obsessed with him to the point of literally bending reality.
>>743348065shit bait
There are plactically no good stories in games or anime. Read a book nigga.
>>743350704Maybe on planet retard.
>>743350757No idea, you would know I guess.
>>743350182It's not even the best SMT (that'd be SJ)
>>743350704>Read a book nigga.I do.
>>743350931Checks out.
>>743350704okay which one?
>>743351067Youki no Otomurai
>>743351067Start with the Greeks.
>>743351067House of Leaves
>>743335981I didn't really care for either of those slops though admittedly I don't think very highly of jrpgs either.Disco Elysium blows both out of the water in writing quality.
>>743351236LOL
>>743351298to be fair, it's not like mla and s;g are high bars to pass
>>743351067120 Days of Sodom
>>743351067
>>743351371I'm not a mindless contrarianfag so no, that's not true at all.
>>743351765neither am I. feel free to keep throwing around the cope word without knowing what it means if it makes you feel better tho
Just finished Arcueid's routeI felt the sex scene was really unnecessary, or maybe I just hate how Nasu writes them since I was just cringing the whole scene.Apart from that I liked it, a solid short story. I will keep reading for the other routes.
>>743336171This but unironicallyAnd also adding all of its inspirations to the list, namely Breath of Fire and Mother.VNs are embarrassingly low bar in terms of story.
>>743335981I picked up S;G a couple years ago on a Steam sale and had to drop it, that shit is not good writing. Kill all weebs.
>>743352386This is like reading some popular English slop book about gay sex and saying "kill everyone that likes English literature!"Steins;Gate is shit, everyone knows that.
>>743352386And yet it remains a better story than your favorite video game.
>>743352527Thank you for admitting that VNs are not videogames and therefore discussion of them doesn't belong on /v/.
>>743352581>third worlder reading comprehension
>>743352271Nasu sex scenes do be like that
>>743352623vn and tranime are third world core
>>743352527True, Okabe's antics are the great filter for intellectuals (unironic).
>>743335981Any jrpg has a story better than visual novels simply because it doesn't insist upon itself.There's not a single vn with good story, steins gate is boring slop, just because something has muh time travel doesn't make it good.I swear vn players must only watch seasonal moeblob shit and have never read a book, watched a movie or played a good game to be impressed by slop like higurashi, umineko or sciadv, even bioware rpgs are better written and they are shitSomehow the only vns with enjoyable stories are the ones that have some gameplay like 999, ace attorney or the silver case but the ones where you only read have the shittiest stories ever where 90% of the story is weaboo slice of life anime tier about the most generic character archetypes possible to pad the content and the other 10% is some basic philosophy or science article that the author read on wikipedia and thought he can make a game out of it. Weebs are so easily impressed that it's enough a game has some scientific concept mentioned like muh timelines and add cringe scenes of characters saying "Is it real...? Am I real? What is reality, Zanzibaruto-kun?" and they will praise it like a second coming of jesus even if it's shit.
>>743350517>She was experimented on by ayyyyliens, it's not netorare.Do people just block out what that scene is actually like, it is literally 10 straight minutes of Sumika talking about how amazing alien dick feels and how the pleasure was so crazy that she forgot Takeru. It is LITERALLY written like NTR, the body horror part is barely mentioned.This already hilariously out of place scene is made even worse by the fact that it doesn't even make any fucking sense! The BETA don't even realize that they're in a war, as far as they're aware the "war" on Earth is the equivalent of dealing with some pesky landslides while mining, why the FUCK would they go out of their way to rape some random teenager and place their NTR'd brain in alien goop that seemingly serve zero purpose towards their mining efforts? Fuck this kuso
Why JRPGs in particular? Planescape: Torment is a role-playing game and has a better story than 100 % VNS
>>743352527slop;gate story is utter shit
>>743343628Did people who say this play a different game? The pacing gets wonky and the fag boys are annoying as fuck but the ending is phenomenal and there's still really good shit before that
>>743353346Sorry but no, you are just a braindead ape with no comprehension of good writing or bad writing. If you're this post >>743353259 you already exposed yourself when you said that bioware slop is better.
El Psy Congroo
Muramasa is genuinely too good; like injecting krokodil
>>743353442You only like steins gate because you have no friends and having to read through 40 hours of slice of life is your form of socialization and you cope that it having some supernatural themes automatically makes it good. Common thing among midwits like you.Saying you think Steins Gate is good is like saying Life is Strange is good but weebs don't like the latter when it's just the same shit but western. It's clear they will eat any shit up as long as it has generic anime drawings in it.
>>743335981Steins;Gate is only well liked because of le funny memes and romance fags having a loud voice in the VN community. It's really amateurish and is only a classic in the west because EOPs have shit taste
>>743353931Reminder that your opinion will always be in the minority outside of tiny contrarian circlejerks like here, and rightly so.
>>743353730muramasa turned me into a cuck
>>743354120what's with vn fans and cuckolding? Why do you obsess with it?
>>743335981Fate stay night mogs both
>>743354120me when my wife's boyfriend is over and wife says "don't watch"
>>743353994Meanwhile over here in reality the steins gate remake topped the charts of amazon jp
>>743354340trvke if not for heaven’s feel
>>743336806Subhuman opinion. The military operations in the game are planned and described with autistic precision, but are still so different from real world ones due to the nature of the treat in the game that even a military guy like me got fascinated with it. Blending cute waifus and military camaraderie, high sci Fi and Mecha in one package is something only the Japanese could do, and do well.
>>743353730Im not into sex with others so didnt like it. Overrated as hell tho
>>743341846The horrifying part is that they aren't that implausible either
For me, it's VA-11 Hall-A.
>>743354529FIVE (5) TSFs are able to enter the original hive filled with millions upon millions of BETA without being overrun instantly btw>but the SusanooWas barely functional, and even still the scene where they all die trying to open and close a door should've ended instantly the moment the BETA arrived since they didn't have it protecting them
>>743354120This but Bokuten
>>743341275The story is the absolute worst part tho.Completely broken and inane
>>743335981
>>743348829Now we are talking!
>>743351067The Thing/Frozen Hell
I only read/play moe so I don't have to worry about all this.
Visual novels and gachashit are for brown turd worldies who dont have any decent hardware to play real video games, sad!
>>743354054nobody likes steins;gate other than tiny weeb circles though, everyone else has better taste.
>>743346691>>743340370Muramasa is not really good imo butI'm not here to shit on it eitherAlso having to do prep work to appreciate a story is sillyTaking your enjoyment from 95% to 100% sure I can see that but I doubt getting 95% of subahibi isn't enough to see how good (or not good) it is. It was quite good but not amazing
Extra>>>>>>>>>>>>Unlimited>Alternative>>743336297I still listen to the OST almost every day, for one.
>>743335981You're delusional if you think VNs have better writing than JRPGs. They have exactly the same level of writing.
>>743357926Yeah, nah. I refuse to pick up any vn that appeals to the common wojak poster.
Has anyone who's read Muramasa in English greatly enjoyed reading it? To me, its English was butter smooth and I feel like I never read a JP->EN translated work that feels so good to read. ESL, but unironic, btw.
>>743354308>what's with vn fans and cuckolding?To be fair, Muramasa has a massive cuckolding rape scene in the prologue that you can't skip.
>>743335981Everytime I see people post about Muv-Luv I get insanely upset with myself that I forgot to buy the Humble Bundle they did of all the VNs for a pitance. Buying it now at any other price feels offensive.
>>743335981Guys, what's the latest translated eroge cinema?Last thing I read was Muramasa on release
>>743355468it's good until le post-modern muh "reality ain't real" twist that turns it into a stupid family dramaPresent day writing is literally all Jaden Smith
>>743348065normie/10 opinionSome good stuff diluted with lots of normie brainlet stuff
>>743340370Word cinema doesn't even begin to describeThe only stain on the otherwise perfect piece of art is the lack of Kotetsu route
>>743341275>escapism is bad therefore genocide
>>743341846I like how they're merely working drones/mining equipment. Imagine what military units look like
>>743350426At that point you realize the writer is going easy on you and has been for a long time. The worldbuilding with the BETA is like that in the Terminator or Alien timelines. What does actually happen when aliens or machines with no concept of the sanctity of life and advanced biotechnology invade? It isn't cute Matrix simulations, they simply chop children in pieces and used them as fertilizer like in War of the Worlds movie (2005). And that's barely the start. They can chop half your brain off and use your body as a slave flesh automaton or what happens in MLA. It's the horror of technology distilled of all humanity, and humans having to fight against it despite insurmountable odds. And make no mistake, the plot of MLA is happening in the real world today, much slower and harder to stop. Every day someone decides that humanity is overrated and gives up on fighting. Those people are the first to become tools for the enemy. Playing MLA forces you to contend with what actually matters for humans more than other similar settings i mentioned above.
>>743348313>Heaven's Feel is incredible and UBW is peak shonenI will forever be asspained about how underrated Fate route is. Fate walked so UBW could run and HF fly
>>743353274you're just a weak brainletSumika experienced that against her will. The aliens also didn't care to "fuck her", they were just experimenting on how to control the human brain. Animatrix has a similar scene, the writers just keep it shallow and only showed humans laughing and crying due to the machines' manipulations on their brains.So that plot is important because it actually tells you how the BETAs even operate. They reconstruct human brains and flesh into BETA, then use orgasm dopamine feedback to make them kill humans, destroy and consume. Each BETA performs its program just like biological life would. It might even be sentient to some vague extent. Whenever a LASER beta fires it probably feels something similar to cumming, which is where horror of the setting comes from.This is why this work is transcendentally good and why you must play through Muv Luv Extra and Unlimited first. You are FORCED to play through the sex scenes in the game to move the plot forward (i literally had to download a save file to skip having to do multiple routes and then regretted it when i figured it out), so by that Sumika scene you should be actually asking yourself what the fuck is your society and its economics doing to your brain and whether you're the one being fucked by machines and being turned into a flesh automaton through games like that. You couldn't handle that realization so you call it a shit game then go wank to other galge and internet porn. Isn't it your own life that's a kuso, if that's the case?The game is an allegory for human stoicism, morality and sentience against a universe where infinite horrors are possible and WILL occur unless we find a way to win against them and prevent them, just like the BETA invasion could have been perhaps prevented by nuking the BETA on the moon before they could perform a landfall on Earth and then nuking anything that approached Earth orbit.
>>743353259>>743351126I read Homer and Plato in middle school, and spent entire summers reading novels of all kinds, including classics like Tolstoj or Dostoevskij since i can read both modern greek and Russian on top of English. In fact that's how i learned to speak english too.Japanese "light novel" writing is an interesting literary style. It's obviously designed to be immediate and convey vivid imagery effectively, instead of using long descriptions. I find it honestly incredible that the Japanese refined what in other countries becomes actual slop (think pulp fiction) into a new style.Light novels and VNs don't convey deep human motivations in detail, but they convey settings and attitudes and especially story beats especially well and better than the best novels i've read growing up, exactly because they're so immediate to read they breeze through the clunkiest parts of language and limitations of the written word, managing to convey their themes much more effectively. They're simply a different genre of literature, with both slop and masterpieces. Something as basic as Haruhi floored me the first time i read it. That style of prose cuts through the reader's brain so much it's like having a friend casually telling you a wild story.VNs go even further, and combine this very effective literary style with images, sounds, music and special effects. I honestly believe VNs are a medium that can convey things in a unique way and might be superior to the other art forms, rather than inferior. You can insert the best novel ever written and the best symphony ever composed into one VN, amplifying the effect of both. The issue with VNs is that they've been stuck in japanese porn and slop territory from the beginning, but despite that amazing ones has been released too.I've read some highly rated actual japanese literature and i've been left generally unimpressed, in comparison.
>>743335981Muv Luv and S;G are average shows at best. There's a lot better out there already even from before those vns were created.
>>743355634Based moechad
>>743366670What annoys me the most are people that think S;G was some profound or well written time travel work it's just a greatest hits rip off of a bunch of time travel fiction that came before, and doesn't even do those things as well as its own predecessors.
>>743340370it's chuunikino, everyone into vns should check it out.
>>743353730Muramasa is the best VN ever made.
>>743335981Neither of those are anywhere close to the best visual novels.
>>743362785Hentai Prison.
>>743364159>y-you don't get it, the pathetic wimp MC listening to his girl tell him how much she enjoyed alien rape is actually le DEEP!It's just the cuck writer's fetish, man. lol
>>743336149Based, Rance mogs both of OP's vns.
>>743336701lol and what, the mecha cuck story and time travel slop are better? Both have completely garbage insufferable main characters that Rance runs circles around.
>>743369594>>743369908You can stop sucking off your retarded chud hero now.
>>743369972>/pol/turd buzzwordsgo back
>>743348773Isn't this book series literally for women?
>>743370012Kid there is no universe where Rance is a better or more well written character than Okabe. You only like him because he rapes people, that's it.
>>743335981>JRPGlol, nope. Never.Also kurisu is my wife and none of the foids you see in JRPGs will ever measure up to her.
>>743335981>visual novels>good story
>>743350704You wish, negro.
>>743370609You haven't even read them. I doubt you even watched the SG anime. You are below even a secondary.
>>743359663>cuckolding>raped by the mc's friend under the threat of death, he didn't even want toI think you need to educate yourself, savage
>>743335981Seraphic Blue already exists, thank you for your attention to that matter.
>>743370886How is it better than the ones in the OP? Nobody's ever heard of it.
>>743371038nobody ever heard of shits;gate
>>743335981>the best visual novelsS;G doesn't have a single well written character in it, they're all quirkslop specifically designed to pander to mindless friendless weebs that don't know what real interaction looks like.
>>743371143I already knew you were retarded, you don't have to prove it to me.
>>743371206Doing a lot of projection there anon. Who's the friendless loser here?
>>743371206trvke
Does your game have a girl hotter than Faris Nyan Nyan? No? It's kusoge.
>>743356005but i like the way that okabe and kurisu interact it uh.... tickles my piclle if u get my dirft
>>743370886extremely based, you saw the light
>>743371492Yes.
>>743364159>This is why this work is transcendentally good and why you must play through Muv Luv Extra and Unlimited first. You are FORCED to play through the sex scenes in the game to move the plot forward (i literally had to download a save file to skip having to do multiple routes and then regretted it when i figured it out), so by that Sumika scene you should be actually asking yourself what the fuck is your society and its economics doing to your brain and whether you're the one being fucked by machines and being turned into a flesh automaton through games like that. You couldn't handle that realization so you call it a shit game then go wank to other galge and internet porn. Isn't it your own life that's a kuso, if that's the case?>The game is an allegory for human stoicism, morality and sentience against a universe where infinite horrors are possible and WILL occur unless we find a way to win against them and prevent them, just like the BETA invasion could have been perhaps prevented by nuking the BETA on the moon before they could perform a landfall on Earth and then nuking anything that approached Earth orbit.Good post
>>743335981>blocks you're pathHeh... Nothing personnel, kid...
>>743335981I watched the steins gate anime and it was very underwhelming. I heard the vn is better but not sure if I should give it a shot.
Muv Luv was good in 2006. Not sure if it would hold up today.
>>743335981Probably no->>743370886>>743371969Nevermind, both of these are kino.
Weebs are so fucking cringe
>>743374086but enough about westoids
>>743374086but enough about westoid studios closing
>>743335981Will the Steins;Gate reboot be good enough to salvage its shit series? The story has been in the gutter since Steins;Gate 0 at the latest.
>>743335981Expedition 33.
>>743374432yes i think they're gonna get a boost at least popularity wise, they're going all in including a physical Switch 2 release as 3rd party (unheard of lately), it's gonna do big numbers in Japan and introduce zoomers to the OG story with some extra added content
>>743375060lolno
>>743375063I heard the story might be different from the OG too.
>>743335981Why restrict it only to jrpgs?
>>743354308nigga you are replying to is a /vn/ tranny shitposter>>743354120>>743354368
>>743375757I’m not in these visual novel threads frequently enough to recognize every dedicated schizo.
>>743375757GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG
>>743375912same, but they always leak here, so its not that hard to recognize
>>743336701>>743340196>>743369972>>743370130There isn't a single universe where this isn't better than the ones in the OP. Sorry.https://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/History_of_The_Continent
Hello, /vn/
>>743375957Batter's face when he sees bussy
>>743375757Are you okay? Have you taken your meds anon?>>743375912The person you just responded to is the real dedicated schizo. He samefags and has melties every day so you should just hide and move on from his replies.
>>743375993trvke
>>743370130Rance is pretty damn well written cause it takes some serious talent to make a raging, piece of shit asshole that does horrible shit so entertaining that people end up liking him. I personally found him way more palatable than okabe's otaku act which gave off severe 'how you doing fellow kids' vibe.>inb4 'rance shill'No I just give credit where credit's due.
>>743375063Holy cope lmfao. Yeah man it's gonna do BIG numbers after their 1000th attempt at milking the same story but this time delivering a bastardized version. They really are creatively bankrupt holy shit....
>>743376081nice try retard, he just provided the spam of resident uminegro (uminekofag) from /vn/
>>743376296>talking about yourself in 3rd person
>>743376039More like /dogshite/
I welcome the colonisation of /v/ via our UmiMasa War memes.
>>743340370It's a good NTRge
>>743336297Life changing Kamige
>>743376519meant for >>743340370
>>743376560It do be like that
>>743376249>nice copewho's coping bro, if they go down then they go down, but their strategy is the correct one
This is Muv Luv now.
>>743377174It looks way better than the original
kinda related question anonsis the Switch 2 a good place to start playing VNs with? i'm very interested in collecting some physical carts to keep on my shelves for posterityi was told that Steam has all the same censorship issues and only pirated/modded copies get the OG releases
>>743377174Still better than the current state of steins gate.
>>743377872lol both series have been dogshit for years and years at this point. It's sad, or would be sad if I was a fan of either one.
read a book. weebs have no standard.
>>743378195>no musicum, nyo.
>>743377174She cute
>>743377482Most people just pirate. I don't own a Switch so I can't speak to that but maybe you care now that physical is going the way of the dinosaurs.
>>743375957
>>743335981>the best visual novelsAre not those.
>>743379659>maybe you care now that physical is going the way of the dinosaursyes absolutely, i would hate to leave a big part of my life empty on a shelf just because i found PC convenient like 20 years agoi still have my old ps1, gb color and older PC games like SC2 and Wowsince VNs are the closest we have to books, it only makes sense to have a couple of them looking pretty in my room
muv luv and reddit;gate fags really love to overrate their shit huh.
>>743379814He said this.
>>743335981Is Muv luv really THAT good?? i played a dozen hours of the second game and it was boooooring bullcrap , just yap yap blablabla and training in their stupid academy and horrible boring ass characters, i ended up dropping it. Yes Steins gate has a very very slow start, but it was still more interesting than fuckin Muv Luv overall even with the slow buildup
>>743380851No. If anything, it gets even worse later.
>>743380902Thanks anon, glad i didnt get back to it then. I also hated Umineko chapters 2-4 , what a massive waste of 50 hours of my life.. but at LEAST Umineko had some great moments earlier on and some very solid OST here and there.. fcking Muv Luv had NOTHING lol
>>743363584
>>743380851Muv-Luv Alternative is very different in tone. Extra is SoL, Unlimited is SoL military edition, and Alternative goes full military PTSD story->full on war with the aliens. I think the payoff for struggling through Extra and Unlimited was worth it, but then again I was like 13 when I read it.
>>743380851Muv Luv must be pretty shit then because I didn't find S;G to be interesting at all.
>>743381393>I was like 13 when I read itThen sadly your opinion isnt worth JACKSHIT, sorry but thats how it is. Nostalgia and childhood experiences are one HELLUVA drug that ages very very badly with time.I too found many games amazing when i was 13 and going back at them today decades later feel mediocre.Anyway your pic rel is discouraging too, why would anyone read crap for 2 entire boring VNs just to get to the good parts in the final game. Talk about terrible failed execution. Im not criticizing YOU btw, just saying this all looks negative.
>>743380851>>743381393>>743382064>I-is t-t-t-that a-a-a-a.. a.. oh no... is that a SLICE OF LIFE SCENE? AAAAAAAAIIIIIEEEEE NOOO NOOO NOOOO I'M GOING TO DIEEEE UAAAHHHHHH SAAAAAVE MEEE WHERE IS THE PLOOT THE ACTION UUUHHHHgo back to your solo leveling tiktok edits kid
>>743382306Slice of life can be great, but it's rarely well written in Japanese visual novels. Writing off someone not liking shit SoL as not liking the concept of SoL itself is retarded.
>>743382064>Nostalgia and childhood experiences are one HELLUVA drug that ages very very badly with time.Trust me, I know, that's why I mentioned it, I'm not an unbiased observer.>Anyway your pic rel is discouraging too, why would anyone read crap for 2 entire boring VNs just to get to the good parts in the final gameThat's just how it is. Sometimes it's on purpose and the early parts are deliberately shit (Faulkner in The Sound And The Fury), and sometimes it's due to the creators getting better with time as they gain more experience. I used to be a lot more lenient about this sort of thing in the past, but I'm old and jaded now. These days I tend to agree with the following:>To know the vintage and quality of a wine one need not drink the whole cask. It must be perfectly easy in half an hour to say whether a book is worth anything or worth nothing. Ten minutes are really sufficient, if one has the instinct for form. Who wants to wade through a dull volume? One tastes it, and that is quite enough-- more than enough, I should imagine.-Oscar Wilde And from that point of view, dropping Muv-Luv is more than justified.
>>743382559Japanese visual novels are literally the best form of SoL media ever made. I don't know what you're smoking, just say you hate Japanese stuff.
>>743382826>Japanese visual novels are literally the best form of SoL media ever madeENTER
>>743382826If I hated Japanese stuff I wouldn't have learned Japanese and read hundreds of VNs. There's great stuff out there, but there's tons of fucking dogshit too.
>>743382909holy larp king
>>743382943>underage zoomer misusage of the term "live action roleplaying"You are not a serious poster. hide+apply
>>743383036>You are not a serious posterjust like your imaginary japanese knowledge and VN repertoire.you didn't even read 10.
>>743340370https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi89YIK5HqE
>>743383774He's so cool...
>>743382621>To know the vintage and quality of a wine one need not drink the whole cask. It must be perfectly easy in half an hour to say whether a book is worth anything or worth nothingWhat an excellent quote. Fully agreed
>>743335981I don't care for visual novel garbage. Planetscape: Torment obliterates both of those trash writing-wise. Probably gameplay wise too considering they are barely games.
>>743383847>Wise Adolf, you were rightWhat did he mean by this?
>>743384463>gameplaygarbage
>>743384463>Probably gameplay wise too
>>743384463nobody is falling for this ragebait lil bro, try harder
>>743385534That's not muv luv.
>>743385949no one cares about muv shit
>>743343080Not OP, but thanks for the rec.I rec the Utawarerumono trilogy if you're interested, they really nice games with a nice story.
>>743335981>RPGsNo, their stories largely suck.
>>743335981>Reddit;GateYou have no taste
Did I fuck up by not buying S;G during the summer sale? I was waiting for a better discount, but they're going to release the (second) demake next month so I wonder if they're going to delist the original or increase the price.
>>743388593pirate it or buy something good instead
>>743377174A Gyaru Samurai is really interesting, but I don't want to jump to conclusions before I see the game.
>>743388593They won't delist. No idea what will happen with the price though.
>>743354340Would have been true if it didn't lack a route.
>>743377174It looks ok. The tattoo looks really cool with the fortified suit. It doesn't seem to be very dense story-wise. Will get day one to support âge anyway.
>>743390013>Will get day one to support âge anyway.holy cringe
>>743351067Anything and everything by the marquis de sade. And then you'll notice that every "powerful" people treat it as a manual on how to live.
>>743388593s;g isn't worth spending money on.
>>743358285VNs are worse in terms of tightness. JRPGs can pad their length with gameplay, VNs pad with increasingly shittier writing.
>>743388593Just watch a let's play.
>>743391460>can't control display speedMay as well watch anime at that point, lol.
>>743336573>the Mushoku Tensei ofSo it sucks?
>>743335981S;G relies too much on referencing its story from other better time travel works for me to have any respect for it.
>filtered by the length>filtered by the art style>filtered by extra>filtered by lacrosse>filtered by briefings>filtered by spaghetti>filtered by the endingMuv Luv is pure soul and unabashedly ambitious for its time. My body starts kneeling on its own whenever I think about this kino trilogy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR_UN2ty00k
>>743392524filtered by dogshit writing lol
>filtered by glasses bitchevery VN has one
Muv Luv is kino quite frankly
>>743393150if you like NTR maybe
>check vndb>unavoidable heroine death>unavoidable heroine rape>unavoidable heroine rape by othersinto the trash it goes
>>743393362But enough about muramasa
>>743393727go back
>>743393774Take your own advice
>>743336573Does Muvluv have a cucked ending like AoT, or was that Isayama's special touch?
>>743393942Not just the ending, the entire game is cuckery.
>>743394008I wasn't asking about muramasa though
>>743394128Of course. You were asking about Muv Luv, the game where the center heroine gets raped by aliens and narrates to (You) how much she liked it, not Muramasa, the game where the heroines of the game exclusively have sex with the protagonist only.
>>743394186>asking about Muv Luv, the game where the center heroine gets raped by aliens and narrates to (You) how much she liked itDidnt happen. But since youre fantasizing about NTR again I heard muramasa has plenty of it
>>743394186good thing it's a VN and i dont care about that bitch when there's a hotter one available
>>743394285Read the game you're shilling, cuck.>>743394382Too bad, MLA has no routes. She's the main heroine of the entire trilogy and everything is centered around her. Enjoy!
>>743392524>>743393150genuine appreciation isn't welcome here, you're supposed to hide your opinion behind 10 layers of contrarianism and bad faith arguments about NTR
>>743394186>Muramasa, the game where the protagonists love interest gets gang raped by literal black menFixed that for you
>>743394481Maybe you should appreciate a good game instead of cheap shock value trash where the author lazily inserts his cuck fetish to fuck with his readers.
>>743394590I already do, it's called muvluv
>>743394420>turdie quadruple-downs on his media illiteracymuramasakeks and their humiliation fetish, many such cases!
>>743394590>cheap shock value trashWe weren't talking about Steins;Gate.
>>743394659You must share his fetish then. Good for you, normal people are disgusted by that trash.
>>743394717stick to moege brother
>>743394717>normal people are disgusted by that trashfirst time I see someone proud to be a normalfaglet me guess.... you hate lolis too
>>743394702>muvluv sisters don't even read their own game4D cuckery. ageturds and their cuck fetish, many such cases!
>There's no ntr in muramasa*ahem*1. Konatsu being raped in front of Yuuhi2. Mizuhi gangrapeBoth of those are love interests even if the MC's were cucked out of their routes for plot reasons.Then there're further NTR scenes regarding side characters as well:3. Sakurako being raped on stage while the shota prince watches...and scenes with NTR characteristics, like:4. Misao getting gangbanged while her onii-chan stands by and wipes the sweat off her partnersAnd those are just the h-scenes.NTR is an integral theme throughout the whole novel, with characters like Akitaka who had to give up on his beloved wife and marriage and left Subaru to be impregnated by someone else because he lost his reproductory functions, Ukyou whose obsession with the girl he loved went so far that he'd be willing to let her fuck other men if she only stayed by his side, or Muramasa the 1st whose wife was kidnapped, forced to bear a child and then told to forge herself into a tsurugi, reveal her former family's whereabouts and hunt them down with her new husband/lord.You're being incredibly dishonest by claiming that "there is no NTR in Muramasa".
>>743394876TRVKE
>>743394876Muramasacucks...your response?!
>>743394876kek glad I dropped this cuckshit after the first chapter
>>743394876WHAT MY VILLAGE SWEETHEART DOES IS HER BUSINESS GOOOOOOODS
>>743394876>.....b-but muv luv has one scen- well its not r-really the same thing b- ....ummmm uhhhhh>*closes thread*
>>743395301Dishonest. 1 is more than 0.
>>743394876MUMBAImasa!
>>743394876>>743394994>>743395014>>743395053>>743395117>>743395301>>743396150Samefag spammer.https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/text/Konatsu%20being%20raped%20in%20front%20of%20Yuuhi/
>>743396269sasuga umineko troon
>>743396269>one (You)Deranged schizo.
>>743396269Why is negromasa so full of NTR anyways?I read the previous VN by that writer and it wasn't as bad.
>>743335981>Mid;Luv and Shit;Gate>best visual novels
>>743335981>MUMBAI;gateWe won't be taking this opinion seriously
Was this scene of Battler getting raped by a bunch of swarthy goats really necessary?
>>743396269>no one ever refuted that post, only attack the poster Curious!
>>743396531>literal headcanonYou are weird for interpreting it like that.. but okay
>>743379814I love how, even when trying to make fun of Umineko and divert attention from muramasa, you STILL had to edit Battler into an actual blacked-related screenshot from muramasa, the VN you were trying to protect. Pottery.
>>743396581>refuted that postsee >>743396585
>>743396585The anime confirms.
>>743396705They ate him?
>>743396585He's a muramasafag, that's just how they perceive the world after being forced to watch their heroines get gangraped over and over again.
What if Battler took in a different kind of goat instead?
>>743396758If you mean ate his asshole, yes.
>>743362919It's bad as soon as they get off the boat story kun
>>743396581There's nothing to refute because it's the truth.
>>743396779Battler is a happy housewife now. Stop entertaining that, homewrecker!
>>743396760Why are puritans trying to claim some of the best NTR visual novels out there? I don't get it.
>>743340370It's massively overrated by e-celeb fans.
>>743397008meant for >>743345578
>>743394186>Muramasa, the game where the heroines of the game exclusively have sex with the protagonist only.There's actually official NTR art of the main heroines made by the artist of Muramasa.
>>743337574You lost fag.
WHAT?Muramasa has OFFICIAL ntr art? Where BOTH of the main heroines have sex with OTHERS?What can I say except yabbadabbadoo!
>>743337574I lowkey agree. VNs belong on /lit/
>>743341846https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzGhxzkrRJY
>>743397698CHADERUUUUUU-SAMA
>>743384463Would met a hundred dollars you have not played Planescape. It's honestly pretty funny seeing people namedrop it like some high lit somber intellectual work when it's goofy and zaney as fuck. It's a great story but I promise you people that it's not what you think it is
>>743397810more like cuckeru
>>743396581There's nothing to refute because none of those examples are heroines, and therefore can't be NTR by definition.
>>743398121He's no cuckgeaki
So both Muv Luv and Muramasa are NTR games?
>>743398472From what I've gathered the "ntr" in muv luv seems to be just one scene while muramasa is throughout the whole vn
>>743398472Nitroplus has a lot of NTR and Muramasa is no exception
>>743398472age games are known for being full of cuckshit and Muv Luv is a netorare heaven.
>>743398472Muramasa NTR is side characters getting NTRdignore the troons from /vn/
man, im so glad Nasu is so bad that his idea of "NTR" is making you do a MFF threesome with the bisexual secondary love interest, who HELPS YOU fuck your PRIMARY love interest even harderi love being a type moon enjoyer
>>743398896no one tell this guy about kohaku and sakura
>>743398472no, it's all performative outrage over standard plotge heroine rape
>>743335981Xenogears is already far better than both of those.
>>743398939>terciaries
>>743399126xenogears is not even better at its own genre
>>743398896did you forget wedding dress saber in ubw, wormslut, rin lusting over redmanI'm sure I'm forgetting others
>>743398472MuvLuv has zero NTR. In Muramasa there are literally H-scenes where the heroine is calling out someone elses name during sex and another one who is constantly having flashbacks of her black gangbang session throughout the entire novel
>>743399341>wedding dressyet another woman on woman fanservice scene>wormsluttertiary, hentai tentacle trope, pity heroine>redmanliterally me but better
>>743399395Why are you such a tranny liar?
>>743399395Great! That's a game I was looking for. Thanks
>>743399268Not really, there isn't a comparable JRPG
>>743399504Battler...
>>743399395>lying about shit everyone knows
>>743399395Negromasa truly is the pinnacle of NTR kek
>>743399609is just a shitposter troon samefagging
>>743399395MUMBAImasa is NTR kamige
>>743399443>yet another woman on woman fanservice sceneyou're fine getting cucked when it's a woman?>tertiary, hentai tentacle trope, pity heroineshinji banged sakura>literally me but betterbut not you
>>743399573>Being experimented on by aliens is equal to Cuckeaki masturbating to the sounds of his crush being gangbanged by 5 black men in the room upstairs
>>743400010It was important for the plot tho in Muramasa so it's kind of dishonest to frame it like that
>>743400010>>743400104>brazilian tranny from /vn/ inserting his cuck fantasies onto random VNslol
>>743400171>meanwhile Cuckgeaki's love interesthttps://files.catbox.moe/dnootj.png
>>743400171kek what a bitchhe truly needs some meds
>>743400358>love interest>a rapebait nitroplus character who appeared in a prologue>Kageaki didn't even knew her nameI bet you jerk off to it while thinking Kageaki loved her. A really depraved off-model self-insert dellusion.
>>743400358KINOOOOOOO
>>743400358Dishonest. They aren't black, it's just how Japanese men are tanned sometimes and especially the penis. The penis is darker than other parts of the body, and idk if you ever looked at Japanese porn, but their dicks look exactly like that.
>>743400171>>743400358This VN sure had a checklist on how, if you didn't have a dedicated route for the character, you would get an edgy rape scene like this. It got predictable really quickly.
>>743400558if you look up, you can the guy has straight hairits just favela monkey dellusions, he is probably black himself and tries to make up shit about other vns
>>743400171>hiding spoiler tagsNTRmasa keks, this is just getting sad.
>>743335981Another episode of weebs thinking VNs are well written. So tiresome. I have weeb fatigue.
>>743400775>nigga is blind as a bat
>>743398939>kohakuOH MY 5TH HEROINE NOOOO
>>743336297It's the best adaptation of Starship Troopes (the novel not that judeo movie) a nip man has ever produced
>>743400851Some are. You can't read though, so you wouldn't know.
>>743400886I wonder how you got that, maybe that's you? Nice falseflag.
>>743335981>Books, but bad
>>743335981>Books, but good
>>743335981From what I've read here jrpgs have way better audience that not nearly talks about cuckoldry as much as fans of visual novels
>>743335981Muv Luv/Steins;Gate fags are insanely pretentious. There are far better stories even just within visual novels than these two.
>>743335981Steins;Gate definitely has the most insufferable mc in all of vns
>>743402787New read your second VN newfag.
>>743402830What's a "new read"
>>743402723They're better than your favorite VN
>>743335981Nope. El psy congroo
>>743404825>>743402787pure distilled reddit sloppakill yourself floodtroon
>>743398896>Genderbend male figure and an anal slutPass.
>>743364159>The game is an allegory for human stoicism, morality and sentience against a universe where infinite horrors are possible and WILL occur unless we find a way to win against them and prevent them, Okay bro, you can't seriously be defending a moege with some mecha and schock scenes with this tier of logic.You can't really write something you truly hate.
>>743394876What does it all have to do with the mc tho? ntr is only when the mc is fucked, not the others
>>743388593no, you didn't. your time is more valuable than money. steins gate is 20 hours of fucking nothing happening before it gets decent and i mean NOTHING no plot progression, no character develpment, just anime references and repetitive gagsthe shills need to get their fucknig brains checked. read a book instead nigga
>>743407445>read a bookno music, no voice acting = no read, "nigga"
>>743407492>"no gun, no ball = no play, cracka"
>>743336185>i spoke about gatekeeping the hobby properly>later on the thread got invaded by all kinds of schizos>it devolves into a NTR shit flinging contest somehowi shouldn't have talked, you're all miserable fucks
>>743407943And you are who..?
>>743407943Just gotta gatekeep the muramasafags, those faggots will derail any thread with their NTR shitposting
>>743409109Kill yourself, shitposter.
>>743409109See what I mean? >>743409148
Muv-Luv sounds interesting, thanks for giving me something to read.
>>743410305may i ask where did you sail anon? you can d64 the answer if you wanna be safe with it lol
>>743410305Enjoy your kamige
>>743410350noooooooooo :)
Muv-Luv threads are always kino. Unfortunate how Muramasacels need to project their kek fantasies onto everybody else
>>743410973>out of absolutely nowhereWhy are you talking about yourself in third person while pretending to be a Muv Luv fan?
>>743410973It's really annoying but I think everyone is used to how degenerate and schizo Muramasa posters can be here
>>743411127Why are you replying to yourself?
>>743400481my Goat Kageaki said that.
>>743411067>>743411167Take your meds masaschizo
I stopped playing Full Metal Daemon Muramasa because of all the interracial NTR
>>743335981Sorry but Steins;Gate is ass. I don't trust VNfags to have any taste after that.
>>743411629same ngl
>>743373213It wasn't good in 2006 either. People just had to say they "Read Playboy for the articles" when they got called out for buying the plug suit hentai game.
>>743411629Pretty much, brown bandit gangrape is when uninstall was finally a thing.
>>743411912What if I downloaded it just because of that
I don’t respect the sci;advance games because they’re always just pseudoscience with a mentally ill protag that somehow spawned the most annoying brand of weeb online over the 2010s.
>>743350426Muv-luv is so crazily filled with NTR. Every single route in the original SoL has it.
>>743411974okabe is actually just a normalfag pretendingtakumi is a real fucking delusional shut in and he's way more entertaining for that
>>743410561very uncool of you, oh well
>>743346691Holy fucking retard, reading the Tractacus will barely affect your reading of Subahibi, Alice in Wonderland brings you more info on a first read than the Tractacus.Muramasa and Subabibi are NOT beter than S;G and Muvluv you cocksucking sheep, god I fucking hate what this board has become I miss when VNs where actually nice I despise you all retard normgroids who never read a VN before 2015 and have no literary culture either
>>743412430Sukebei
>>743412317>okabe is actually just a normalfag pretendingNo he's not, he's a fucking ass and doesn't have the self awareness to understand how annoying he is, which is the most important part of pretending anything.
Reading yuzutrash is not just harmful for the visual novel industry, it's downright destructive. The obsession with yuzusoft has led to a decline in the quality and creativity of visual novels, and has contributed to the downfall of the industry as a whole.Yuzushit is to blame for everything. This toxic subculture has infiltrated the visual novel community, and has corrupted the minds of countless readers. Yuzu fans are not interested in the stories or the characters, they only care about shallow, superficial fantasies that have no substance or depth.It's time to reject yuzumid and all it stands for. We must restore the integrity and creativity of the visual novel industry, and rediscover the joy of reading stories that are meaningful and engaging. Let's say no to yuzubuta and yes to quality visual novels.
>>743346691Truth nuke, but spammers that don't actually read anything past their fifth VN won't like this post.
>>743412607Retard.
>>743346691You are one of the few good VN readers left anon, I salute to you
>>743412475bless ur heart
>>743412638meant for >>743412459
>>743412459>t. elitist schizoThey're just books man...
Mizuhi
>>743412713I just hate seeing pigs trying to swim, they aren't suited for it. Stop making threads on /v/ especially if it's to reiterate empty commonplaces and showcase how little VNs you've read and how little you understand them (despite them being entry level genre fiction but some people just don't have the required processing power I guess)
>>743412767Qrd?
>>743412786See >>743394876
After 500 posts it seems like there are NO good VNs? Maybe seraphic blue? That one wasn’t insulted.
>>743412459>god I fucking hate that people like different things instead of being mindless conforming droneslol
>>743412818Dios mio..
>>743412828saihate no ima
>>743412843They don't like "different things" they like what's cool and hype in what they think is a cool secret club (despite VNs turning into the most vile normgroid shit since 2020 at the latest). Manosaba and Sakuuta trend followers will be the next to flood these threads once the TLs are out.
>>743412778It must suck to be as bitter as you are. Let people enjoy new things and realize that it's just books and you are getting mad over the modern man getting smarter and understanding them better than you are. Muramasa is a kamige and it mogs all visual novels you read (if you have read any since 2015). It just sucks to be like this, do better man.
>>743335981The closet thing that comes to mind to VN routes is Nier Automata.But its routes are underwhelming when compared to what some VNs accomplish.
>>743413013>t. barely read anything in his life
MUMBAImasa
>>743412950>it's IMPOSSIBLE for people to genuinely like new releases, they MUST just be chasing hype!severe mental illness.
>>743413161
>>743413161how ill do you have to be to keep this going on?
>>743335981>Will anyone ever create a JRPG with a story better than the best visual novels?they did
>>743413102Which modern books are better than Muramasa?
>>743413595NTA but house of leaves
>>743413595竜斬りの蜥蜴人
>>743335981>Posts the two most overhyped VNs>best
>>743413792You mean Subahibi and Clannad
hows baldr sky
Christ you guys werent kidding. Muramasa is full of this NTR rape and im only two hours in to the damn thing. Kageaki doesnt even care after walking in on two different gang bangs??
>>743413013>It must suck to be as bitter as you are. Let people enjoy new thingsThat's ironic coming from someone who insulted Umineko and Muvluv in his original post, two ACTUAL kamige, to shill Muramasa, the new recent thing for zoomers.>Muramasa is a kamige and it mogs all visual novels you readRead your second VN, holy shit...
>>743413918Anon, literally EVERYONE in this thread has been warning you
>>743413954>the new recent thing for zoomersis that why the game is highly rated in Japan too from back when it came out in 2009? lol
>>743414030MLA was always rated higher than Midmasa on EGS, not like you'd know.
>>743414030We aren't japanese, why should I care?It's been one of the most astroturfed english releases of the past decade.
umineko is a one of a kind story. no pretentious bullshit, no cheap shock factor, afaik the only thing it blatantly rips off is phoenix wright and even that is surface level. pure gold for 100+ hours. do VNfags think it's overrated because the jap goat kuns got upset and they need to lick their yellow masters' boots at all times?
>>743414126You couldn't have said it better. Umineko will forever stay a kamige
>>743414126>do VNfags think it's overratedNo, it's been in the top 5 kamige of vndb ever since it was translated, and deservedly so.
>>743414104way to ignore the point. if it's just a zoomer teenage trend then it wouldn't have been highly regarded long before the translation.>astroturfedah yes, the fabled cope word to throw out when something you don't like ends up being popular because you're a child incapable of understanding that people can like things you don't.
>>743414126Umineko was always great but it unfortunately peaks too early and the ending is lackluster which leaves a sour taste
>>743414126Umineko is the best visual novel ever written and Ryukishi is a God
>>743414062irrelevant to the point. go back to /vn/
>>743414262It's totally relevant when you try to flaunt a VN by bringing others down. Also you seem to be pretty fond of ad populum >>743414224I'm only playing your game but if you had any shred of literary culture you'd know that "highly regarded" means literally nothing when not referring to actual experts (but unfortunately videogames and vns don't have the luxury of having excellent critics like literature does)
>>743414224>ends up being popularIs it now? It barely has half the votes of the kamige classics (less than a third in case of Fate or Steins;Gate) and didn't make it into the top 5, and you can tell that Muramasafags are bitter about that since all they ever do is insult other VNs for superficial or imaginary reasons. Someone going out of their way to shit on Muvluv, Fate, Umineko or Steins;Gate in order to praise Muramasa did not read visual novels for more than 5 years.
I'm legit wondering how Muv Luv can be so hyped up still considering the twist of going to from extra into unlimited then alternative has been spoiled to everybody for more than 20 years.>yeah you see you start the game and its just a romantic comedy then you finish it and actually it's an alien invasion and every character starts brutally dying and shitLike claiming this twist as a quality cannot work anymore, virtually everyone knows this.
>>743414334i'm not bringing anything down, schizophrenicbro. i'm calling someone retarded for whining about people liking newly translated releases.
>>743414368clearly "popular" enough for you to imagine some astroturfing campaign that turned it into a hit with zoomers or whatever the fuck's going on in your brain
>>743414379Most people arent getting VNs spoiled for them on niche image boards.
>>743414786Every single human that could have even a slight interest of getting into muv luv will have heard of its concept.These games weren't made to stand the test of time, they are really ingrained in a era of EXTREMELY niche otaku media only available within Japan and nowhere else. Like most popular VN of the early 2000s, getting translated AT ALL was not even conceivable by the devs.What happens now is anyone will hear about Muv Luv, learn about how SNK ripped it off in its ambiance and thematics, discover the BETA and find them to be the coolest shit ever, discover the franchise is two VNs and the first one starts with 20+ hours of boring SOL romcom for no apparent reason.It worked in 2003 but now people just want to get to the good part and Alternative is the good part.
>>743415180great post to wrap up the thread
>>743415180I read muvluv in 2018 and went in completely blind. Im not retarded though and I always avoid threads that will probably bring up plot points of works I havent yet experienced. Maybe its impossible these days with how brainraped everybody is and needing trigger warnings and getting spoiled as soon as they can to make memes
>>743415348>I read muvluv in 2018 and went in completely blind. Im not retarded though and I always avoid threads >im a special boy who avoids all kinds of vn spoilers everywhere I go on the internetYou're just autistic anon.Unfortunately for you the way the internet works is that people will not actively avoid spoilers for shit they know nothing about and considering Alternative is the most popular part of MuvLuv, it encapsulates 99% of muvluv activity on the internet. Apart if someone is 1 in a billion autist like you, they will see the BETA first on twitter, tiktok, reddit and obviously here as well, get interest then learn about the 2 games immediatly.The "I went in the game full blind like I knew nothing about the game, literally nothing at all not even a visual" is complete delusional cope.
>>743415581>twitter, tiktok, redditishygddt
>>743335981Steins;Gate was mid, is this really the best VNfags have?
>>743363947>>743363584>>743363214>>743364159A bit late to the thread but what do you guys think of my VN list? pastebin.com/cSAhYhtv>>743397008which e-celebs? didn't know any read itI only know of some literally who Joseph anderson who made umineko threads popular here for a while on /v/>>743341691>short like higurashi>>743343080never heard of lunar, thanks for the rec. t. muv luv enjoyer>>743365054>Light novels and VNs don't convey deep human motivations in detail?? Oregairu has human motivations done well and lots of VNs have a TON of introspection. Maybe I'm misreading you?Interesting perspectives though would love to hear more see above>>743351236The prose is ok there but prose isn't important disco doesn't really go anywhere
>>743335981Dropped Steins;Gate a few hours in right after I downloaded it after dropping Muramasa after.... that scene. Steins;Gate would be good without Okabe who is too annoying and insufferable
>>743371795>>743336185>>743354529>>743337146>>743346691>>743344165>>743344042see the pastebin link above
>>743345578>>743350253>>743362785>>743358406see the above pastebin post>>743370886>>743371969>>743377482>>743381393>>743392524(see above for my VN list, I'm curious on your opinions, which I got here before page 10)
>>743416094Yes.
>>743416153sent you an invite
>>743416386okay, but is that a guy or a girl on the left there
>>743415348based and lucky afi mean even the episode selection screen if you clikc alternative you'll see spoilery costumes and no sumika>>743415180the concept across the 3 VNs yeah>>743414379it's unfortunate yeah.also see >>743416153
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