PC fags are used to getting raped lol

PC v Console debate is being framed dishonestly. PC games have alternate channels thru Piracy, Emulation and GOG/DRM Free installers. The platform is open and alternatives are available. Consoles work because while they're a closed ecosystem you can buy discs cheaper in a competitive retail space and a thriving second hand market.

In a world where consoles are digital and still adhere to a closed market system, there is simply no reason to buy one over a PC. If you say price, you're about to get a nasty surprise next year. If you say convenience you haven't been paying attention. Unless there's some radical shift in consoles akin to an android phone letting you side load unsigned apps, this is the final nail in the console ecosystem.

ah yes the discourse between larpers who have ignored being told year after year digital has been steadily increasing and the day will come when sony won't bother with discs anymore

>>743350059
See you're not wrong but that doesn't mean Sony succeeds, it just means they surrender their only advantage and give their digital customers to better digital platforms. It's dead Jim.

>>743349634
That's because your ownership rights were forfeited before you were born, PC vegan. And after closely following your embarassing SKG fiasco this last year it's become obviousl that none of you have a fucking clue what your consumer rights are or when they're being violated.

>>743350026
>PC v Console debate is being framed dishonestly.
Indeed. There's an entire group of dishonest PC vegans such as yourself that insist that because I own a console I can't pirate uaing my PC or my consoles. Or that because PC easily allows for piracy that Valve isn't being anti consumer.

>>743350349
I still own all my games in my Steam library though. I can still install all of them though.

>>743350431
Like I said, not a fucking clue.

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>>743350026
>an android phone letting you side load unsigned apps
Funny story about that

>>743350513
was about to post this
granted by the ai wording it's not considering this probably since not directly shipped

Cd keys going away was the beginning of the end.

May favorite "argument" is when consolekeks try to argue I dont own my physicals. And every time I ask them to explain why I dont own my 4TB HDD of plug n play games that no corporate cna touch, they always chimp out.
It's so much fun

>>743350349
>That's because your ownership rights were forfeited before you were born, PC vegan.
let me guess, your proof of ownership is selling your game on ebay.

>>743350554
block how? like the OS prevents the apk from launching? because I've downloaded plenty of apks just from the internet and installed them

>>743351316
Legal transfer of property is proof of ownership, yes. And that's not my proof, I'm citing fact.

PCfags actually believe that

-You need to pay for online to download game patches
-They are completely unaware that some games allow for free online interactivity like Nier Automata. Can see player corpses and end game assistance.
-Havent held a bluray since early 2000s and think they are still 25gb
-Think that majority of physical discs require online support to boot and play

being a pcfag means you put your head in the sand for 10 years and then make a fool of yourself trying to argue points

>>743351198
You don't own your bootleg copies because they're unlicense media, therefore they're a type of illicit property, forfeiting your ability to legally own them. I await your chimp out.

>>743349686
I can store any game i want on a usb flash pen and I now have it in physical format to use on any other PC I want.
Try that with your ps5 games....oh wait it doesn't have any

>>743349634
Remember that Steam games that shipped on discs were BANNED at some outlets, because you could not trade them in without didappointing customers.

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>i need physical copy of video game because... just BECAUSE OKAY

>>743349634
>PC chads

You mean the people that have been willingly spending thousands of dollars over the past 25 years for a license and being denied ownership of any game they’ve played since then? I think PC retarded cucks is a more apt description.

>>743351671
nta anon but physical games refers to a

official release on physical media

Rule of rose costs $900 in its official form
On a hard disk or NVME its only worth the price of the storage media.

There is a huge fucking difference

>>743349634
What kind of fucking retard would ever need to ask an ai chatbot this dumbass question?

>>743351727
No there isn't retard. Physical means backed up and ready to use when you want, no need for digital services.

Absolute faggot

>>743351754
technically yes, but when the masses refer to physical games they arent talking about pc hard disks

>>743349634
>muh tribe
I hope the vubble popping finally get rid us of all those useless mentally ill retards

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>i need physical copy of video game because... just BECAUSE OKAY

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>>743351387
I think they will add a 24 hour delay after enabling the APK option

>>743350554
And people know this is going to happen...how?
Are they time travellers?

>>743351709
>leave the game files on my storage drive
>turn off the internet
>run exe
>????
>whoa, I own it!

>>743351616
>legally own them
>legally
Kek.
>NO U CHIMP OUT
Kek x2.
Imagine being so strapped for arguments that you have to cry that a powerless line of text says I dont own it. The absolute state of consolecucks

>>743351747
I could put it in a Twitter screenshot format next time.

>>743351873
You can’t sell a file retard. You don’t own anything of tangible value. You were scammed. Keep deluding yourself though.

>>743350513
You fucking moron. Read the OP image. It is specifically asking if Valve shipped physical discs with your Steam purchase.
The answer is, and always has been, no.
It is not talking about you going out to the mall and buying off a store shelf.

>>743351892
>>legally own them
>>legally
Yes ownership is a legal construct.

Like I said, there isn't a single PC vegan who is aware of their consumer rights. Nice chimp out btw.

>>743351616
>legally own them
>y-you can't sell your roms to anyone else, so they're worthless!
Yes, data has no value. The difference between my 0 dollar copy of SMB and the million dollar sealed scam copy is absolutely nothing, though. Why would I be upset that something I paid 0 dollars for is still worth 0 dollars?

>>743351873
>>743351616

It's just Snoy cope, pure and simple. I may technically be in the same boat with my digital purchases on PC, but if for instance Steam decides to cuck me out of being able to launch the game through their client for whatever reason, I can still easily run the game through other channels. You can't do that on a console unless you nigger rig it, and at that point you might as well just get a PC. The benefit of console is ease of use and exclusive titles depending on the console. Sony has no worthwhile exclusives and ease of use isn't enough to counter the prospect of having my purchases revoked without a work-around. Honestly the only console possibly worth buying is Nintendo for exclusives if you like their stuff, and even they're testing their playerbase recently. Shit time for gaming and software freedom overall, and I doubt even personal computing will last much longer with how aggressive everyone is being with digital ID.

>>743351953
>So what if you can play it anytime you want without corporate oversight or mandatory online? You dont oen it because I say so!
K. I sell my files to my buddies for $0. Cry harder.

>>743352006
>legally own them
Yes? What did you think we were discussing?

>>743351979
>ownership is a legal construct.
Which is why corporations can legally take your "owned" games away at any time and there's nothing you can do about it.
>NO U CHIMP OUT
kek x3. Keep going!

>>743352021
>>743351616

>>743351870
Because they announced it themselves you stupid fucking retard
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/08/elevating-android-security.html

>>743352065
>What did you think we were discussing?
Actual ownership. You know, being able to do whatever you want to an actually owned product like opening, modifying, and sharing it.
But of course you wouldnt know what that means

>>743352079
>corporations can legally take your "owned" games away at any time
False. Lying is a chimp out btw lol.

>>743349634
valve distributed their games via a publisher who took care of the disks

>>743352172
>False
Concord
>Lying is a chimp out btw lol.
Exactly. You may now begin your next one. I predict the classic
>DOESN'T COUNT!!!!

>>743352168
>Actual ownership
That's what I am discussing.
>being able to do whatever you want to an actually owned product like opening, modifying, and sharing it.
>ownership is actually a combination of modding and illegal distribution
Source on this? Don't bother looking btw, you lied and you won't find anything. Chalking this up as a chimpout too.

>>743352065
Your worthless semantic argument.

You can "legally own" a PS5 disc of a game that you can't play because the game boots with an online check, and when it does the online check it finds out the game has been delisted. You can "legally own" a completely unplayable copy of concord.

Could you explain how "legal ownership" is better than playing video games? Thanks.

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>>743349634
There were physical PC releases but famously HL2 was presented as a physical release, but it required Steam.
After a while we started getting PC releases that did not even include the game, they only included an installer and a CD key. For example my diablo 3 CD includes just a battle net installer and a CD Key

>>743350396
If running unsigned applications involves losing access to basic hardware updates and online functionality then no, your platform is not open. It's a very clear line to draw.

>>743352248
>service game is an example of ownerhsip being taken away
You lost SKG on this exact same issue btw so this won't work on me.

>>743352274
>You can "legally own" a PS5 disc of a game that you can't play because the game boots with an online check, and when it does the online check it finds out the game has been delisted. You can "legally own" a completely unplayable copy of concord
You can't own services. Remember losing SKG or did you memory hole that one already?

I don’t think you understand how expensive games would be now if digital distribution hadn’t come along. It wasn’t unusual to see 70 or even 80 dollar games in stores back in the 90’s, which would be even higher today with inflation. People don’t understand just how much of an enormous impost producing game boxes and manuals was for developers back in the day.

>>743350026
Missing the most important thing. On PC you can generally make your own physical media.

>>743352317
Man, you already lost your own argument. There are PC games where the rights are in limbo and the original servers have long since shut down, and people can still play them with unofficial server browsers and pirated copies of the game. Were this a console game, your "legally owned" copy would be a paperweight.

>>743352353
>SKG
Why do you think anyone cares about some bullshit that was shut down with 2 minutes of lobbying? You're so excited about "games as an investment", you have no concept of ownership.

>>743352315
Yes you have to turn off internet to crack successfully. Did you just figure this out?

>>743352317
>sold as a product for $40
>DOESNT COUNT!!!
Kek x5. Predictable, but always hilarious.

>>743352413
>743352413
Thats like saying you are entering the automobile market because you built your own car in a garage. Theres a league of difference in the two even though both will get you to the same location

None of this matters. I can easily run games on PC in case whichever client decides to revoke a license. You cannot do that on PS5 unless you jailbreak it in some way or modify the software otherwise. This is the only argument that matters, and desperately trying to steer the argument into one about digital vs physical isn't going to save Sony losing customers. You lost.

>>743352426
>Man, you already lost your own argument.
That's never happened to me from you. It never will.
>There are PC games where the rights are in limbo and the original servers have long since shut down, and people can still play them with unofficial server browsers and pirated copies of the game. Were this a console game, your "legally owned" copy would be a paperweight
Glad we agree console games are legally owned. Also congrats on figuring out preservation and ownership are different things.

>>743352486
>even though both will get you to the same location
Then you notice the "league of difference" between the two exist entirely for corporations to profit off you, and serve no practical purpose

>>743352439
You know what I meant by 'losing access' you're not updating your firmware every other day AND running pirated games on your ps5, be honest.

>>743351534
>uhm actually you don't know like you get some features for free
Wow that's epic and you still pay for online? AHAHAHA FAGGOT.

>>743352413
Too bad you can't own it.

>>743351962
the controversy is about going digital only without physical option
try not being such an angry autist trying to win dumb imaginary arguments

>>743352545
I don't understand what your point is. I already know that my PC is ungated and my consoles are walled gardens. You can't insult me with facts. That only works on you when I tell you you dont own your games.

>>743349634
I think it's counter shills purposefully missing the point. Physical media was the only way to buy games not from sony on pc I have a dozen different online shops and platforms even different shops that sell me steam keys but also shops that have their own ecosystem.
Ps5 users are now bound by Sonys pricing even when most games are cheaper on Amazon as disc.

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>>743352306
The situation actually got so bad because people had such piss poor internet sometimes that specific magazines actually boasted that they included complete installations of an MMO on their DVD sets.

>>743352272
>Source on this?
Actual gamedevs that advocate for ownership. It's also GoG's sales pitch.
Why do you cucks try so hard, anyway? Sony wont thank you for your valiant efforts here, you know.

>>743352554

thanks for confirming you didnt know

>>743350396
>Valve
>Anticonsumer
You're never gonna get us Tim, you can call off your pack of jeets. I know you jews want their money but I will continue buying from Steam and Chick fil-a and there's nothing you can do about it

>>743351781
Because they're retarded

>>743352559
But I do though. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

>>743352514
>Also congrats on figuring out preservation and ownership are different things.
They aren't. Your idea of "ownership" is the idea of a physical product that you can resell. My idea of ownership is the inalienable ability to play a video game.

>>743352626
>Actual gamedevs that advocate for ownership. It's also GoG's sales pitch.
No seriously when I ask for a source I'm not joking.

>>743349686
>he says as he pays monthly for online
LOL

>>743352659
Charge him rent
>>743352682
Already did. See >>743351616

>>743352736
Neither am I. Tell me why gamedev words dont count.

>>743352604
Im not saying it to insult you, I'm talking about advantages of each platform which is important because my argument that physical media that has an encapsulated license/authorisation built-in is one of the truly distinct advantages consoles have and they're about to give it up in a market that is already shifting to absorb their ecosystem. Unless consoles present the same advantages PCs have to counter this they are going to lose their market share.

>>743352774
>Already did.
No. A law is only as legal as it is enforceable.
You gonna try enforce your silly line of text, little timmy? Maybe @CIA and FBI on twitter?

>>743352781
What game dev words? You didn't source anything

>>743352809
$500 to play AAA games over $2000minimum on pc while being unoptimized on top of that isnt an advantage?

>>743352865
>unoptimized
Nigger there has not been a game that magically "runs better" on consoles in the entire PS4/Xbone/PS5/XSX era, because they are just fucking PCs

If you think you're seeing smoother framerates or some shit, it's because your PS5 is rendering at fucking 540P and upscaling, which a PC can very easily do as well if you want eye cancer

>>743350349
No. That's you with consoles. You have NEVER owned shit on consoles for as long as consoles have existed. You don't even own the console itself. That's because the console is ultimately controlled by the manufacturer who can disable any of your games or even the hardware anytime. Digital or physical. Doesn't matter.
This is opposed to PC, which is a free platform where you're in control, meaning no one can take your games away.

>>743352812
Why would I do that? There's nothing wrong with piracy.

https://github.com/inflation/goldberg_emulator
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
Digital games on PC are not the same as on consoles, even with Steam.

>>743352862
https://www.gog.com/en/about_gog
>Owning the things you buy
>We don't believe in controlling you and your games. Here, you won't be locked out of titles you paid for, or constantly asked to prove you own them - this is DRM-free gaming.
Please wear a diaper before you shit yourself in petulant rage again

>>743349634
>>743351781
NTA but that's why people are dumb. The problem is entirely about ownership rights and DRM, and this problem is shared on PC. If you buy a license you should have the right to transfer that license. Not just to resell, but to give away, leave behind(steam prohibits bequeathing your account to another when you die,) etc. DRM issues are obviously known well.
If those were not issues though, you could make your own physical copy of your games whenever you want, sell your license to someone if you're done with it, leave your games behind to your kids when you croak, etc etc.
Once consoles left collectable cartridges behind, download-only was inevitable. Once PC left full-featured extras behind as a normal box releases and only did it for special overpriced editions, it was also inevitable. Those were the only things making an official physical release worth having without the ownership/DRM considerations.

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>>743352913
>You have NEVER owned shit on consoles for as long as consoles have existed. You don't even own the console itself. That's because the console is ultimately controlled by the manufacturer who can disable any of your games or even the hardware anytime.
This wasn't true for the entire span from the 1980s to the 2010s

>>743352917
>Why would I do that?
You cant.
>A law is only as legal as it is enforceable
It's really that simple anon, if it's illegal, it has to be punishable.

>>743352809
>Unless consoles present the same advantages PCs have to counter this they are going to lose their market share.
Nintendo just got handed Sony's market share on a silver platter as sony moves to a fully digital platform to compete with Valve. Microsoft will be next. Both of them will completely destroy Gabe in digital hardware and swallow his brand hopefully while he's still alive to see it.

>>743353040
Nintendo hasn't even been in the console business for ten years
And I don't begrudge them the handheld business, they invented it and dominated it

>>743352913
Lying doesn't work on me.

>>743352997
Nintendo can (and has) legally send Pinkertons to pick up your physical games on a whim. There's nothing you can do about it.

>>743353086
>Nintendo can (and has) legally send Pinkertons to pick up your physical games on a whim
Fascinating. Could you share a specific time that happened?

>>743353040
Ericdaddy raped me and told me Gabe was next.

>>743352306
People forget that there have been DRM measures on PC for a long time, from physical anti-piracy measures like a colored code book that made photocopying difficult to Sony's own Secure ROM crap. The digital format was quickly accepted there because of things like that, even though it took years, and despite that, PC is the platform where you can best monitor and protect your games.

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how is console warring still a thing in current year? Are you people getting paid? Are they hiring?

>>743353190
Eric puts his dick inside of me every night and this is the only way I can fight back.

>>743353135
>I dont know what nintendo ninjas are
You shills really need to try harder than this

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>>743352615
>>743352306
found my external disc drive.
So i put diablo 3 in there.
It only contains a 1.8MB stub installer for Battle net + the key

You can find the key in the disc case for Diablo printed in comic sans.

>>743353190
I love games. I got just about every console + pc so i can have access to everything.

PCnigs are the ones that convince themselves all they need is a pc and then build a wall around themselves.

>>743352961
GoG is technically ownership in the EU so he's not lying. That ownership comes with no ownership rights because GoG doesn't facilitate ownership. For everyone else GoG is steam but a different name.
>again
When was the first time?

>>743353031
Sell your bootlegs and find out.

>>743353069
>Nintendo hasn't even been in the console business for ten years
This attitude is precisely why playstation lost.

>>743353069
>Nintendo hasn't even been in the console business for ten years
*They're run the entire console business for the last 10 years

>>743353362
see >>743352021
maybe the feds will get me this time for sure!

>>743353078
Yeah I know. Lying so much has made you immune. That's why I posted nothing but the truth. It's like sunlight to a vampire or gas to a jew.

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>the consolegroid's biggest argument against PC is "w-well you can't sell your games"
>accidentally revealing that all console games are bad and that the fans need to get rid of them as soon as possible

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>>743353165
Yeah people on PC accepted digital mostly because the previous situation (CD keys) was a pain in the ass.
It became an even bigger pain in the ass when we switched to blu-ray discs and games kept getting bigger. But effectively no one had a blu-ray drive.

>>743353381
>>743353401
The Game Boy Advance wasn't competing with the PS2, the GameCube was

The PS Vita *was* competing with the 3DS and got assraped

>>743353401
Eric raped me and ran me out of the house and now I have to sleep in the car. But the car is a house too because I sleep in it.

>>743350396
Valve doesn't own the PC ecosystem.

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>>743349634
This tribalism over physical media and ownership and trying to shove it into PC players face is getting fucking annoying.
You wanna know what really matters when it comes to video games? It's not that you can hold a disk or whatever in your hands. It's playing the goddamn thing. I don't care if what i buy on steam is something that i truly own or not as long as i can play the damn thing.
I still have my copy of God hand on PS2 that i cannot play because my PS2 doesn't turn on anymore, but my copy of FEAR that i got all the way back in 2008 is still fucking playable on my PC, in fact i can even loud up fucking God Hand on my PC if i wanted to as well.
All i fucking care about whether i can play it or not, it doesn't fucking matter if the copy is physical or digital or even a fucking pirated copy. You console faggots need to get that in your thick fucking skull.

>>743353402
Nobody gives a fuck about two retards sharing a bootleg. Sorry.

>>743353451
The MVP of digital distribution on PC was definitely Steam.
However Steam wouldn't have been able to do it if it wasn't for the popularity of the MMOs.

They pushed every PC user to get online very early. So it's really not surprising Steam was a success even if unpopular at first.

>>743350554
glad to see google has decided to contribute another 5 billion dollars to the EU budget

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>>743353317
Installer doesn't even work.

>put games on usb Key and External HDD
WOOOOOOOW

I remember Steam being introduced and Valve drones deepthroating Gaben's dick.
One of the arguments was that it's hard to install games from a disc lmao.

>>743353419
No that was all lies. No legal physical game holder is going to have their property removed by the IP holder. You literally made that up on the spot. I don't even think they could confiscate physical copies legally even if used in a crime.

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>>743353628
I can't be the only one that makes use of Steam's built in backup feature.

Some of these games are huge I don't want to redownload the entire thing.

>>743353689
Then why can't you legally modify your games? why do you have to deal with copy protection and DRM?

>>743353451
PC Blu-ray drives were expensive; the money they cost could have been invested in a better part of the PC, which the game depended on.

>>743353712
I don't think people know about it.

>>743353712
>removable device: Momiji
Well anon, care to share?

>>743352486
No you idiot. I mean you can take the digitally distributed games, knock off the DRM and store it physically and reinstall it as you see fit.

>>743352559
The distinction is not as important. The important thing is sony can't retroactively cancel my offline copies, and I can reintstall them as I see fit.

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Look, Gaming was ALWAYS going to go digital. The access to high speed internet was inevitable.
I really dont give a shit about physical retail releases because you are relying on somebody else to package and keep your media DRM free, that will never work for preservation.

Physical discs and cartridges only existed and were made because these consoles at the time had to use them, It was the only technology they could use that the masses could buy and play on.

Physical does not mean preservation. A gamecube disc of super mario sunshine or a pokemon GBA cart is a physical collectible and the game does work, but it is not preservation. That disc or cart will inevitably fail because its old and can't be reproduced.

If you look back at gamecube, 3DS, DS, PS2, N64 you realize all these formats in the physical are either made to be obsolete or have some sort of non removable DRM. Especially with the gamecube, 3DS, these are the worst offenders of proprietary aging media.

Yes you lose the ability to share your games seamlessly where your friend can pop in the disc, and you lose the ability to sell, but PC and steam have made game ownership only better in the long run.

You get to own the files outright and many times theres no DRM.
You have access to an unlimited amount of free games through piracy.
You have complete control over the files and their preservation.

You can still preserve your games physically, It just won't be "physical" but that's OK. You can do a hybrid approach. Make your PC games physical, make the discs have high quality artwork, and then use something like NFC with zaparoo to launch the games through either steam or heroic with the case as your "physical" disc.

That is ownership.

>>743353661
Significantly harder than just pressing install, waiting until it's done, and then pressing play. All conveniently done for you. And your games are safeguarded for you for the foreseeable future and you can go back and play them whenever you want. No risk of misplacing, losing, or damaging a disc.

>>743353727
But it's not illegal to mod your personal copies.

>>743353831
>743353831
and like a self made car no one is going to give a shit about or recognize it but you, was the point i was trying to get across

>>743349686
You're the one getting raped here. We own all our games unlike you. Get banned? You lose your game and your laptop OS if it's MS. That plus Sony can and will delete games from your library. You are a cuckold and you are happy.

>>743353863
Nintendo proved that stance wrong by DMCA'ing any method of exracting the keys from switch games, even if you legally owned them.

>>743353831
Yeah they can't touch your physical games

>>743352865
I'm not disagreeing that price is an advantage consoles had over PCs, damn straight a $500 box you pop a disc in and it just works has a market. The problem here is soon you won't be able to pop a disc in and the box isn't going to cost $500. The bill of materials for the ps6 has already exceeded $1000, the market is changing.

>>743353040
By doing what exactly? They already have digital storefronts and taking away physicals is going to magically make them more appealing? Gamepass and Plus were short sighted and devoured their own userbase do you seriously think they're going to be any better decision makers going forward?

>>743350554
Has anyone figured why some old apk no longer work on newer OS? I wanted to install the cunny sex game from dlsite but google refuses to let me install it like the faggot lgbt they are.

>>743350396
how do you pirate on a PS5?

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>>743353842

But look at this. Just put an NFC sticker inside your video game case, make a physical bluray disc for archival sake with custom disc artwork. Then when you want to launch the game, just take the case from your shelf, tap it on your NFC reader, and steam will open up and install the game or play it if its installed. There, You have physical media now thats as close to official. With games that will never be on consoles because indies are exclusive to PC many times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxfJf-r5K60

The real console vs PC thing was always the fact that consoles are made for retards, ie. have a lower amount of inputs than a keyboard, different UX sentimentalities and a mouse which is much more accurate.

Who fucking cares about physical media in 2026. Consoleponies really are retarded, if my friend buys a game on Steam I can play it for free due to family sharing. The last thing I want is to fuck with a disk and a laser and a disk reader all of which wear out and have to be maintained.

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>>743353823
I got this 4TB external hard drive, originally for my laptop. It's only for backups obviously, i don't play things directly from it, unless it's ROMs.
Because the PS4 relied on a 2.5" laptop hard drive, the speed is comparable. So I can comfortably playing up to PS4(shadPS4) games on it.
It also contains a backup of my PC's filesystem via rsync in case i screw something up.

>>743353935
No they proved that modifying licensed personal media...

AND

mass sharing and or mass producing the method is what violates copyrights

>when you realise people only buy a PC because they can't afford games

>>743349634
i have over 400 games in my steam library
i have over 1000 physical games spanning 30 years of gaming.

i will continue adding games to my steam library into the future
i will not be buying any consoles in the future that don't have full physical games on the disk/cart. if I wanted to buy a game digitally I would and do use Steam.

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>>743353190
Physical games cant exist without mandated corporate meddling in the middle, making them effectively pointless. Consolefags know and hate this, and they cant defend it because corpos can legally do whatever the fuck they want so they lash out in shitflinging contests

>>743353992
>if you just played console games with a typewriter everything would be much better

>>743354057
i mean yeah, PC is cheaper long term, even if you avoid piracy.
At least that was my mindset when i was a kid.

>>743354096
It's cheaper long term if you only buy a shit PC

>>743353567
>N-nobody cares!
So it's not illegal then! Too bad, there goes your argument!

>>743351616
I legally ripped them from the CDs and DVDs I legally own for backup copies which are legal under 180F.3d 1072 (9th Cir. 1999). So yes, my backups are not bootlegs, and they are my property, and do not depend on any corporation.

>>743354075
True, thats why PC will always be the supreme platform. Steam has big picture mode for console fags if they want a console experience on PC. It just werks with the steam controller now with mouse support.

While I don't fully trust steam for the long term once gaben goes, I don't need to and thats the great part.

I'm happy to buy from them even if it is a revocable license, because the experience is that good, and I own the game files.

>>743353190
IDK for me console wars ended when all games decided to be multiplatform.
It's really really expensive to make games non multiplatform these days.
So most people just don't do it. Unless it's some japanese studio stuck in the past.

>>743354112
>So it's not illegal then
Yeah it is

>>743354057
i could pay msrp, but why the fuck would i. it's literally paying like 90% more for no reason other than you're a dumb faggot who FOMOs. i don't buy new games at msrp on consoles either. i've never paid more than $30 for a switch game. i've saved literally tens of thousands of dollars by not paying full msrp for any games, and have twice as many games to show for it as someone who did.

Physical PC games didn't die because of Steam or any other digital store. They died because stores literally just stopped stocking PC games. Valve was just there at the right time to swoop in and become the standard when the platform needed it most.

>>743354175
>Yeah it is
then enforce it
>no, dont care
then it's not.
It really is that simple

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>>743353712
nope. Here's one I made for Halloween.

>>743349634
>ai slop

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>>743354004
Anon... I legit thought you had an entire HDD just for Momiji from Dead or Alive.

>>743354082
It's not about playing the game with a peripheral afterwards but about a designing the game with a peripheral in mind, you fucking retard

>>743353986
For it to have the same appeal as proper physical media it needs to have a self encapsulated license and boot/install from the disc while working offline and be pre-manufactured at a low cost. Cutifying the way you launch your games is not preservation, just extra steps so the NFC reader is largely worthless.

>>743354050
>you're not allowed to share a way to jailbreak media because.... YOU JUST CAN'T, OKAY?
Now that is peak cuckoldry.

>>743354153
Yes making digital copies of all media is legal. However those copies aren't licensed, they're simply authorised, which means you don't have ownership rights. This is exactly what GoG uses as their distinction from competitors, facilitating your right to free legal digital copies.

>>743354202
this is what zoomers don't understand. steam didn't kill physical PC gaming. companies never had to go through steam in the first place to release physical games for PC. steam saved PC gaming in general by providing an alternative when companies themselves tried to kill PC gaming by stopping the production of physical games. that's what sony is doing right now, stopping production of physical games, deliberately killing gaming while providing an even worse, more expensive, more limited, less consumer friendly alternative, the antithesis to what built up steam.

>>743354178
>Imagine taking up a hobby which you can't afford

>>743353712
a lot of those games are GAAS and there's zero point to backing them up because you're going to have to download 40 gigs of updates if you want to play them again anyway (if they're still alive)

>>743354292
>designed with a typewriter in mind
retard. a keyboard is designed for two hands and not one. The fact you have to sit at a desk to use it shows it's not ergonomically designed for gaming at all.

>>743354209
It literally is enforced. Your shit bootlegs are worthless trash.

>>743354386
imagine paying more money for fewer games and coping by pretending you have so much money that it doesn't matter that you make constant awful monetary decisions.

>>743354447
>a keyboard is designed for two hands and not one
Sounds like a skill issue to me, famalam.

>>743354306
You'll get over it.

>>743354373
There are many reasons why physical discs on PC had terrible DRMA, especially Secure ROM from Sony, which kept getting worse. Steam wasn't the savior either, but it was there to fill a niche that had been left empty.

>>743354464
>It literally is enforced.
So when are the Pinkertons coming to get me?
>Your shit bootlegs are worthless trash
Aww, little baby went poopy again!

>>743354447
>hasn't mastered the one-handed keyboard
want to know how we know you're a female?

>>743354464
>it literally is enforced
It literally isn't. Same law that dictates romhacking and modding. It's been 20 years since I played my first randomizer, which is an illegal modification of video game assets. So where are the lawsuits?

>>743354525
Why are your games valueless?

>>743354109
Nah it's just cheaper long term.
I can list a few examples of how they are cheaper(without including piracy):
> You can buy keys from resellers besides Steam cheaper (official/safe resellers like Humble Bundle, Fanatical, Green Man Gaming etc and unofficial/unsafe resellers like enemba, G2A, kinguin)
> Online is just free, there's no standardized subscription unless the game requires a subscription (MMOs like warcraft for example)
> I don't need to pay for my game graphics upgrades, they come with my hardware upgrades.
> I have a choice of stores which typically leads to me just getting the cheapest deal from Steam or GOG.(I don't like EGS)
If i were to rebuild my entire PC library on a console not only would I need to buy mutliple consoles I would also need to pay a lot.

>>743354407
I get it but 40 GB of updates is a lot nicer than a 150GB redownload imo, that's why.

>>743354518
>*DRM

>>743354296
Its on a physical disc working offline, You just make it yourself.

Take steam game, make sure it plays offline, make it into .iso and burn it to a bluray. You now have a physical media that preserved for the next 50 years. NFC sticker is to just give it functionality with steam, so you can take it off the shelf and launch the game the old school way.

Zaparoo was literally made for this it has direct integration with steam.

>>743354530
>only men use keyboards
>every receptionist is a woman
maybe you're a little retarded

>>743354536
Try selling that game to an honest buyer. You ever wonder why it has no value?

>>743354558
How so? They work just like your precious physical games.

>>743354386
This is funny when you faggots yes you were literally complaining the gabe cube cost too much.

>>743354595
>completely fails both basic reading comprehension and understanding of the male-oriented joke
yea you're definitely a female.

>>743354573
>If i were to rebuild my entire PC library on a console not only would I need to buy mutliple consoles I would also need to pay a lot.
I literally doubled my Steam library for £10 per month with the PSN sub. I don't have to buy games on console.
>Nah it's just cheaper long term.
if you buy low end PC parts and run a shit PC

>>743354604
Is money all you care about? Besides, if I wanted, I could put it on a USB and sell it, but it seems like a waste of time.

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>>743350026
The debate is dishonest because
A, Piracy is "officially" considered as an alternate option when it shouldn't be. Sure, if you are a poorfag you can buy a PC for the free software FOR NOW. But we all know where is gaming going (protip: always online, identification, locked down systems with vendor tied install permissions). All piracy does is giving people the false sense of security and even less rights than what a console shitter have.
B, There is no real alternative to Steam. GOG doesn't have even fraction of the games and the userbase. It is great when PCfags want to pretend there is competition but there isn't. No Steam, no buy. The entire PC ecosystem is based on a goodwill of Gaben which will very likely to go away with him. The greatest sin of Steam is making the users think what they get there is some kind of consumer right. No. It is a handout. That is why the people who shit on physicalfags just talk about digital rights but never actually fight for them. And if they do they will be swatted away like Stop Killing Games. Because these corpos have the power and the moment Steam gets an owner who wants money the same corpos will take over.
What? You will go to Linux? Linux gaming is running on the free shit from Steam too.

The entire PC ecosystem is in a limbo, waiting for the hammer to drop.

>>743354606
I didn't say they were unfuncional. Let me clarify: why do your games have no monetary value on the open market?

Is this thread paid for by the consolefag cop committee? I have multiple physical copies of most of my PC games.

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>>743349634
>In the ongoing physical media discourse, it is helpful to remember that PC chads have no idea what console peasants are getting emotional about
Back when games media weren't 100% whores for corporations, picrel warned against 100% digital gaming due to the problems it posed for games ownership. Storage is ownership, otherwise it's just leasing.
>The late gaming critic John "TotalBiscuit" Bain frequently warned audiences about the inherent risks of digital games and storefronts. While he championed digital platforms for democratizing distribution, he consistently highlighted major consumer pitfalls, primarily concerning the lack of true ownership and corporate anti-consumer practices
>You Don't Own Your Games
>Always-Online DRM
>Lack of Preservation and Secondary Markets
>TotalBiscuit viewed it as a vital duty of games media to push back against anti-consumer trends. He warned against the ecosystem of aggressive, user-hostile monetization—such as "pay-to-win" mechanics, loot boxes, and microtransactions—because they fundamentally alter game design to prioritize psychological manipulation over player fun
>He was also highly critical of "Day 1 DLC" (Downloadable Content) and pre-ordering digital games, arguing that pre-ordering enables publishers to release unfinished, broken games on the promise of patches later
Journalism, if it is anything, it's a guard dog against power, be it corporate or governmental. I know real journalism never actually existed or if it did, it was short-lived, but games journalism had a patch of real purpose and power. When this guy tweeted or talked about something in a video, stuff changed because he had actual pull and wasn't a streamer clown.
"PC chads" don't own their games, and when Steam goes away, so does their entire collection, like in a housefire. Sony already pulled stores and games. Digital is just Blackmirror tier plebslop, and that's where the industry headed. The only games you own are in your hand.

>>743354609
>you complained a gabecube cost too much
I didn't complain. I said it didn't provide the hardware which the price suggested.
It's not too expensive. It's too poor a device.

>>743354447
>The fact you have to sit at a desk to use it
No you don't retard-kun. No part of a keyboard requires a desk like no controller requires a $10,000 sofa.

>>743354638
Wrong. Your games have no value because ownership laws are enforced.

>>743354684
>>743354651
>your games have no value because I said so
Peak consolegroid mentality. Only caring about money because money is everything to him. It's his personal god.

>>743354558
because they're games. Of course they're valueless to people who dont like playing videogames. Like (you)!

>>743354678
Sounds like poorfag cope to me. Concession accepted.

>>743354682
>You don't require a desk. You just need to have a board across your lap sort of like building a small desk

>>743354662
>Storage is ownership
Good thing I have all my digital-only pc games stored and backed up.

>>743354684
>Your games have no value because ownership laws are enforced
Im sure that's the reason and not because everyone can do it so there's no point in paying for it.
Do consolegros really?

>>743354726
>I would be happy if it were more expensive and provided better hardware.
How is that poorfag cope, retard

>>743354662
>"PC chads" don't own their games, and when Steam goes away, so does their entire collection,
I have my entire steam library downloaded onto a RAID setup and can play it offline whenever I want. I also have an automatically updating list of every game in that library output to a simple text file on the off chance Steam does go down and there's something on there that I forgot to download, so I can just go pirate it if I want to play it again.
Suffice to say that Steam is going to outlive both you and I, and the only circumstances that would "destroy" my Steam library are civilization-ending catastrophe level happenings in which my Steam library would be the least of my worries.

Console peasants are factory drone niggers, they don't matter, snoy is bankrupt and xbox too

Cool thing is they'll never be able to afford a good desktop either, even if they could they're too dumb to use it, they're just ghetto laborers

>>743354749
Tendies are too tech illiterate to understand that their cartridges are literally just DRM SD cards. Don't bother replying to them.

>>743354576
I get the concept but I'm saying that if you need the online service to create the physical media it's not less DRM based than a one time activation code, with added steps. It's good but it's still doesn't have parity with a console disc. I want to be able to buy the game in its final usable form, use it on any machine and play it.

>>743354662
>"PC chads" don't own their games, and when Steam goes away, so does their entire collection, like in a housefire
Only those games that rely on Steam DRM to launch. The rest of my library is unaffected by anything short of having no electricity, no machine to play it on, or all of the storage methods failing at the same time.

wow im seein zoomers celebrate and mock the death of physical media while simultaneously acting as if pc games have always been digital and didn't have physical copies either. I remember people hating steam in 2004 and over the years getting upset when pc games stopped being on disc. Sad times. You guys are ignorant faggots

>>743354785
So what you're saying is you don't trust Steam

>>743354816
>Only those games that rely on Steam DRM to launch.
you mean 99.9% of them

>>743354576
I would really recommend using GOG games for this because Steam's compression algorythm may change and their updated backup recovery system might become completely incompatbile.

The backup thing is more of an external hard drive or a NAS thing.
>>743354635
whatever you say bro i disagree.

>>743354749
>>743354785
>works on my machine
Good for you. The rest are fucked tho.

>>743354824
>he "trusts" any corporation
Really not beating the cuckold accusations.

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>>743354719
>>743354712
>ad hom chimpout x 3
Wow. Fyi you just wasted each of your only replies left. Any (You) I see after this is clear and obvious samefagging. And since I'm not going to reply to any more posts in this thread I guess you're done talking to me for the night, huh?

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>>743354839
nope

>>743354846
Literally works on everyone's machine if you give more than a single shit about it
As for, me I don't give a single shit. If Steam closes down then I'll just pirate. It's a better solution than being a retarded hoardfag or physicalnigger.

>>743354824
Do you have a refrigerator? A freezer? What, do you not trust the grocer to have food when you need it?

>>743354846
It would work in their machines, too. Their unpreparedness is not Steam's fault nor responsibility, nor does it suggest a lack of ownership on their part; a bomb falling on your house and destroying your physical collection doesn't mean you didn't own that collection beforehand. Steam is more resilient to random real world disasters, for that matter.

>>743354957
>Do you have a refrigerator? A freezer? What, do you not trust the grocer to have food when you need it?
that's certainly the most brain dead response I've had on here.

>>743353689
>have their property removed
>confiscate physical copies
The point is that they don't need to physically take it away you retard. They own your console so they can just make the console refuse to boot the disc and that's just as good unless you only bought the disc to use as a paperweight because that's all it'll be useful for.

>>743354981
The issue here is that you're brown and not intelligent enough to have a conversation with humans.

>>743354839
>>743354816
Read
>>743352958

>>743354839
Not going to check how many of my stored games are from Steam, but a quick google search says its about 4%. This ignores that many of my games were bought on GoG, or were pirated. Assuming an absolute worst case scenario where I can no longer access my Steam-only games, I'm still sorted with a strong library spanning decades, including non-PC games through emulators that are also stored locally.

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>>743354897
>thoroughly btfo
>no arguments left
>Samefag! I wont reply anymore!!!
For the sake of your prolapsed sphincter, I hope not. You get raped badly enough by corporations already.

>>743355006
>"you don't trust steam?"
>but refrigerators mean you don't trust a shop keeper
retard

>>743354846
I don't care about anyone else

>>743355039
So when you say you store games what you really mean is you have a collection of those humble bundle type shit games

>>743354662
Steam will outlive your discs and your console's optical drive, though.

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Gaben was right. Its a service problem.

Why don't I pirate my games, and why do I buy them on steam?

Because steam offers a good seamless experience with saves, mods, workshop, controller layouts, steam controller all in one library.

That's what you get when you use steam. If you want physical games, you can still have them on steam.

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>>743354897
>spent the whole thread calling people gabe cocksuckers, PC vegans and steamies
>has the audacity to cry about ad hom

>>743355073
If you're storing food in a fridge it must be because you don't trust the store to be there when you want it. that's the exact same logic you tried to use on him for storing his steam games, and the fact that you reacted defensively as if it was an incredulous statement and an insult to your (limited) intelligence shows how wrong your argument was in the first place. sorry, third world anon, but you're the retard here.

>>743355101
>those humble bundle type shit games
what the fuck are you talking about. do you even know what humble bundle is?

>>743355142
you don't store it in a fridge because you don't trust a shop keeper. You store food in a fridge for convenience so you don't have to walk to the shop to buy something every time you cook a meal.
stupid children on my board

Tendies don't even own their own hardware lmao
My joycon drifted as expected, and I was not even allowed to use any other controller that I owned because of (((reasons))). Fortunately, my Shitch 1 was hacked so I grabbed mission control and got my DS4 with gyro working pretty much natively. The fact that I need to hack my fucking system just to have it work properly is absolutely retarded, that kind of shit would be unthinkable on a PC environment.

>>743355101
Are you retarded? I don't mean this as an insult, I just want to make sure I adjust my explanations appropriately. Do you not know what GoG is? Or how pirating works? Are you unfamiliar with PCs in general, perhaps you're a zoomer who mostly used tablets and phones growing up, and gamed on consoles? Your responses don't make sense if I assume you have some familiarity with the platform you're arguing about, so help me understand your level of knowledge.

>>743355184
Yes. It's a website which sells bundles of all the old shit games nobody gives a fuck for. It has like 3x good games per year at best.

>>743355216
GOG yes. old games. toaster games. poorfag games

>>743355193
>Shitch 1
Good job exposing yourself

>>743355108
I have CDs that are over 30 years old that still work fine. They'll probably continue to work fine in 30 years. Will steam still be around in 30 years? Hopefully.

>>743355190
>you don't store it in a fridge because you don't trust a shop keeper. You store food in a fridge for convenience so you don't have to walk to the shop to buy something every time you cook a meal.
Now we're getting somewhere! Next, apply this logic to why you would store a game library. You're learning so fast! Good boy!

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>>743355226
It's also storefront that sells literally all the new games every other storefront does, you tard.

>>743355301
So you don't trust Steam?

>>743355364
Aww, it was just a brown shitposter after all. Too bad.

>>743355246
>S-so what? Im sure those are all bad games I'd never want to play, let alone own!
Sour grapes is such a funny cope

>>743352124
How do they know they announced it? I don't see a 6 second video pointing at a slogan while dancing.

>>743353964
Android doesn't guarantee full backward compatibility so they can't know if a binary (packaged within an apk) that has been built for too old an Android version is still compatible with the current OS. Usually you can still force apk installs and they work fine but they won't let you download old apps from the play store at all if the devs didn't bother rebuilding it for a later version (which is usually a trivial thing to do).

>Steam never shipped physical discs directly to your home when you made a purchase on the Steam store
That wasn't in the prompt though. In fact, what the fuck is the AI even hallucinating about here? Does PS digital store send you a physical copy of the game when you buy something there?

>>743355389
well that is the comment that you responded to like a retard. and now it seems you agree with me , because you are in fact a fucking retard

>>743355282
This is also a nonargument because steams tos says if steam goes under they'll remove the drm so you don't have to do it yourself
Its really just console cucks coping that Sony and Microsoft don't have that rule in place and they regularly lose access to their purchases so they think it must apply to everybody

>>743355393
Why would it be sour grapes that you're buying games on a game store which only sells old / shit / shit old games?

>>743355282
Steam has in fact already outlived millions of discs and optical drives. The moment you lose or damage a disc you bought, Steam is already a better proposition. I don't lose games on my Steam library.

>>743350026
pc vegans really be like
>i dont care im getting raped every day, i just take the pill to not get pregnant lmoa

>>743355807
>>i dont care im getting raped every day
don't you guys have paid online play?

>>743355881
>poorfag cope
You lost

>>743355282
Which one would last longer? Cheap plastic discs and console hardware made by a company that would rather make you buy their newest products or God forbid go digital-only than ensure that their discs and consoles lasted for as long as possible?
Or a private company that owes its entire existence to selling games and honoring their deals?

>>743355807
People keep saying this but PC players don't get raped
They get the best prices for games no paid online the best social features and the most open platform
Pc won the console wars this gen and it's fun seeing console kids shit their pants because we rightfully told them Sony isn't their friend and will fuck them over

>>743355796
its kinda shameful that disc buffing machines have existed for over 20 years and anons still think a scratch disc = end of story. You can search for disc buffing services on ebay. I sent in some discs I had been sitting on since middle school and they came back perfect, almost like new. Went from living rent free in the back of my head for decades to a non issue. In fact i sold some rarer discs online as Scrap to VEry Good condition after having them resurfaced

>>743356003
It's always the people with the shit computers who always want to console war.
If you had the funds to buy an actual good PC then console would be irrelevant or you'd already own one.
The simple fact you're here trying to big-up your PC to above a console just shows you're pretty insecure about it.

Discs are still relevant for movies/TV shows and yes even your physical PC games. They are still the most cheap and easiest solution to have a physical backup even in 2026.

Anything over 200GB that can't fit on 2 discs will have to be relegated to a 1TB flash cart for stuff like the gamecube or dreamcast library.

Basically anything under 100GB, bluray discs still just werk

>>743355919
>it's not rape because I like it and pay for it
weird but ok

>consolefags thinking they own physical games when they don't even own the fucking hardware

>>743356151
Don't you get bored of repeating this moronic line over and over again. Nobody takes you serious and the more you repeat it the bigger retard are you appear

>>743356195
tl;dr; i have no counter argument

>>743350026
I didnt, actually, purchase all of the PS2 games I have on the console.

>>743356234
I don't have to respond to your retarded comment which you post daily. It's just stupid.

>>743354662
I definitely believe there should be laws that protect consumers.
You shouldn't have to rely on a company's good graces like GOG.

>>743355770
See now you're just angry and lashing out, which is common for brownlings like you when you don't understand what's going on.

@743356195
>mentally ill Tendie is not even allowed to upgrade his tablet's internal storage without hacking, flashing the NAND backup and soldering the new stick back in
You don't even own this (You)

>>743356151
Show me an instance of sony disabling a specific disc to work on a console

Show me an instance of guy getting banned that didnt deserve it via cheating, pirating or in general for being a faggot

>>743356151
People should just switch to PC.

Consoles only existed because it was the only option for gaming early on due to hardware limitations.

Steam and PC USED to be really bad in the 2000's, so consoles continued to dominate.

Now PC is just too good with steam. There's no reason to use or buy consoles in 2026.

>>743356279
You don't own your PC.

>>743356350
Yes I do. I am even allowed to sell every single individual component of it

>>743349634
Valve did sell disc releases for Steam games. Orange Box was a box
I guess the didn't SHIP you one, you had to go and buy it

>>743356379
No you don't. You don't own any of it. You can't alter the drivers. You can't fuck with the chips. What do you own on it?

>>743356291
why would i need to when the games run off cart and smaller digital games seldom pass 5gb and can easily go into the sd card?
>but muh gkcs with 100gb+ dls
i dont buy those lmao

>>743355795
>It's an old game!
>And if it's not, then it's shit!
>I never wanted to play those anyway!
>You can own them! Those grapes are sour because I say so! Waaaah!!!
Love to see it. Every time.

>>743356451
>I played them when they first released
You get to play them 15 years later. good for you.

>>743356416
>nigger too retarded to know what a driver even is
>nigger too retarded to know what BIOS flashing is
Faggots that have 0 knowledge about a certain subject really tend to be the loudest motherfuckers about it

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>>743356485
>Y-YOU PLAY THEM AFTER I DID!!! WAAAAAAHHHH!!!!

>>743356434
Flash carts are inherently unstable if you own a huge library of them because bit rot, bad solders and chips dying.

No need to look far, just look at the 3DS carts that are already dying out.

MicroSD cards are good if you only have 3-4 of them with 1TB holding your backups of retro ROMS like gamecube, but apart from that I don't see a cost reason to use flash memory. Discs are still superior for physical ownership in 2026.

DVD azo dyes are still the best cost for archival physical media in 2026.

All those switch carts will eventually die with the hardware.

>>743356513
what the fuck does bios flashing have to do with anything I wrote.
You don't own your PC. Show me how you own your PC without sperging out on retarded tangents

>>743356516
You were waiting for your pass-me-down PC to be strong enough to run PS3 games. I get it

>>743350349
>SKG bad because it's communist or some shit, dog bless

>>743356434
>why would i need to
I don't care faggot. Reminder that the switch 1 internal storage was a goddamn whopping fucking 32 gb before taking into account the 7 GB needed to even boot the damn toy
I remember you shills praising the 64GB OLED upgrade too
There's 0 reason as to why you shouldn't be allowed to upgrade your internal storage

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>>743351616
>Own
I don't own my games. You don't own something digital. We share them. It's a matter of who shares them-if you buy games on Steam the people who made a purchase share the games. If you pirate games the pirate community shares those games

I'm sorry this concept is too hard for your pea-sized brains to grasp.

>>743356573
>Let me show you how you don't own your PC by sperging out retarded tangents
kthxbye

>>743356750
>he doesn't even own his PC
lol

>>743356602
>You were [DELUSIONAL COPE]. I get it.
The funniest part is that you actually know how pathetic you look rn lol

>>743356769
>>743356573
If you don't own your own PC, then how is it possible to run unapproved software like emulators? You'd think Nintendo would team up with microsoft and kill anything that runs their software without permission.

>>743356814
>running software is proof of ownership
no it isn't. that's just fucking stupid.

>>743349634
Physical died on pc way beforehand because it turned into basically just a steam code with a dvd that only includes a fraction of the install while the rest is downloaded anyway.

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>>743356856
>earlier claim that you don't own digital games because you can't sell them
>you CAN sell your gaming PC
>but this doesn't count as ownership either because.....?????

>>743350026
This is the end of the debate.

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>>743356890
>"You don't own a console"
>Well, you don't own your PC
>reeeeee
Stupid as fuck

Here's the licence for your GPU that you think you own.

> commietroons STILL pretending they weren't pwnd

>>743356993
>modify my gpu
>nothing happens

>modify my console
>account banned, hardware bricked, nintendo sends the yakuza to break my legs

Bit of a difference, innit?

>>743357108
>nothing happens
apart from it says you can't on the terms / conditions otherwise you face legal action