What is the best CRPG of all time?
You posted it, obviously.
BG3 unironically mogs that game and no amount of boomer cope will change that.
>>743349916Underrail and it's not even close tbqh
>>743350226Correct but it's /v/ so you aren't allowed to say that
>>743350492>put one skill point into the wrong thing>game becomes unbeatableGreat game!
I feel Bioware is what started the trend of "really cringe romance where you just direct stat sticks into blob of enemies". There's really no argument you can make where BG2 isn't an utterly terrible game, it just so happened to cultivate an utterly terrible fanbase.
>>743350556Absolutely!
>straight forward character creator>very replayable>gore>every quest has multiple endingsfallout is better
>>743349916Probably the first Witcher, picrel isn't even the best Baldur's Gate game.>>743350116>muh wingsShut the FUCK up.
>>743349916Arcanum and Fallout
>>743350624>BG3 confirms Jaheira romance noncanon>BG3 confirms Viconia romance noncanon>BG3 confirms Neera noncanonAeriechads, we won again.
>>743349916I tried playing this last month. The insane amount of status effects pissed me off to know end. 25 years latter Im getting fussy.
>>743349916nwn2 crushes any bg game
>>743349916The one that actually lets you roleplay
>>743350663Do NOT play any Pathfinder games
>>743350607This poster is very brown.
>>743349916Baldur's Gate 3 > Dragon Age Origins > Baldur's Gate 2 > the rest of the genre
>>743350618That's a point'n'click game, not an RPG.
>>743350746really gay opinion
>5E>best anythingoof
>>743350662>neera noncanonHow?
>>743350713>Lead artist uses his ex-wife's photo for portrait and makes her look bestiallmao
>>743350618>goreThis is a big one for me and it's why arcanum will always be inferior.
pillars of eternity
>>743350492The story in Underrail is shit to it can never be a contender for best rpg.
>>743350778you got filtered at the tutorial, retard
Young niggers can't read so they can't appreciate BG2.
>>743349916Rogue Trader.
nwn's toolkit makes it far and away the best one
>>743350226Which BG3, launch patch was trash. Gale was a bipolar rapeist, and the enemy invincible move never wore off. I hear its the GOAT now, I wouldnt know becuase replayability is garbage.So you arent wrong but BG3 has a shittier story and much much less replay value. Not the flex on a 25 yrold game you think it is.
>>743350713They're trying to bait. No one with a brain or self-respect would truly hold such a shit opinion.
>>743350801They said they very much regretted putting their wives in as things got creepy. Everyone wanted to fuck Imoen. Hence the change to a pornstar for 2.
>>743350821But the gameplay is the best and that's what matters most
>>743350746Really based opinion
BG2 No Cheese:>SS-Tier: Edwin, Anomen>S-Tier: Imoen, Nalia, Korgan, Cernd (SCS)>A-Tier: Neera, Jaheira, Keldorn (no SCS)>B-Tier: Viconia>C-Tier: Aerie, Jan, Haer'Daelis, Sarevok, Hexxat, Dorn>D-Tier: Valygar, Minsc, Mazzy>F-Tier: Keldorn (SCS), Rasaad>FF-Tier: Cernd (no SCS), WilsonBG2 Cheese Allowed (Insect Plague, Spike Trap, Nahal's):>SSS-Tier: Hexxat, Jan, Haer'Dalis, Cernd (SCS), Neera>SS-Tier: Edwin, Jaheira, Anomen>S-Tier: Imoen, Nalia, Korgan>A-Tier: Keldorn (no SCS), Cernd (no SCS)>B-Tier: Viconia>C-Tier: Sarevok, Aerie, Dorn>D-Tier: Valygar, Minsc, Mazzy>F-Tier: Keldorn (SCS), Rasaad>FF-Tier: Wilson
>>743350802Arcanum also has a lot of gore, but the sprites and animations in Fallout are better so the gore admittedly does look better there
>>743350662BG3 is not canon anyway lmao. But even in that game Viconia is actually given the benefit of the doubt. The Mirror of Loss contains her "fondness" for Gorion's ward.
>>743350675How many npcs outside the starting town behave like that tho?
>>743350802>IT'S A FANTASY GAME, WE CAN'T HAVE GORE!!!>gay niggers from outer space? Why what's wrong with that?Fantasy fags suck. Post-apocalypse will always be the superior setting because it actually tries to create a compelling world. When fantasy fags try to be edgy, they just throw "fuck" around randomly in a sentence.
I think it's underrated.
>>743351143See >>743351062
>>743351167Based
>>743350953Whomst
>>743349916BG1>Kingmaker>Torment>WotR>BG2>BG3>Wasteland 3>Divinity Original Sin 2>Rogue Trader>Divinity O S>PoE> >Torment Sequel>Neverwinter Nights>Tyranny>Fallout
>>743350226BG3 actually has very shitty companions. Those fucks are really unlikeable. What is it with Larian and making every companion a snarky asshole?
>>743350607t. Josh
>>743351234Is this powerful?
>>743351230Who knows, she is probably 70 now.
>>743351023It's a shame Keldorn is so shit.
>>743349916The Age of Decadence
>>743351234Is Wasteland 3 really that good?
>>743351234Skyrim>>>
>>743351296Ive been meaning to play it and the sequel forever. Was about to than got caught up by Age of Wonder 4.
>>743351321No it's good, but not that good.
>>743349916Kotor 1 and 2
Why is Icewind Dale 1&2 so forgettable? Nobody ever mentions them in these.
>>743351324Yea>>743351321Yea. I dont understand why its not talked about more. I thought it be huge after BG3. Closest thing I could think to it. I absolutely loved it, very clever game. Heard the DLCs were awful though so maybe that killed the hype.
>>743351394they're not bad, just short
>>743349916Fallout 2
>>743351234What's your reasoning behind putting BG1 on top above all the other crpgs?
>>743351234BG1 is fine, just horrifically boring for the majority of the adventure.
>>743351234Lmao
>>743349916Arx Fatalis
>>743349916Colony Ship
>>743351453>>743351454I like the low level adventuring the most, also why King makers second. What makes BG1 such a hidden gem is the number of units you can play with, perfect for perma death. That changes everything.Now every encounter matters becuase units will die for good. It forces you to get to know and love everyone, and really get tactical.
>>743351062Proof? I dont remember it having any gore at all.
>>743351296Slop
>>743349916planescape torment
>>743350978It's a tactics game with levelups, there's no roleplaying gameplay to speak of. And there are better tactics games.
>>743351656I kinda like how disposable companions are in BG1. Nowadays for quite long time it feel like companions get too much of focus in rpgs. It just feel like you're missing out if you don't interact with everyone.
>>743349916Skyrim
>>743351658For some reason this is all that I could find online. At 7:40 in this vid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUugZ3DxH8
>>743351234Neverwinter Nights, at least the main official campaign, felt more like a hack'n'slash with extra dialogues than a proper rpg. Never played the sequel tho and I've heard it's better.
>>743351846I agree but its becuase Fire Emblem ruined me. I now need that permadeath to feed mt finance bro gambling habits. All the games now a days give you 8 characters and you cant lose 1 or your fucked.To your point you'll inevitability not care for 3 so now only 5 characters matter but your still stuck learning how to use your blue friends pronouns.
>>743350953>Everyone wanted to fuck the fat middle aged woman posing as a teenager(X) Doubt
>>743351787The combat is the roleplaying
>>743349916Tyranny
>>743349916Skyrim and Witcher 3
>>743351234S tier bait
>>743351973I cant remember if it was neverwinter nights or Icewind Dale I played. The one thats Baldurs Gate meets Diablo. Really liked the setting and plot but didnt care for the Diablo aspects.Wish they had made a Baldurs Gate 3 out of it.
>>743350226if bg3 went beyond its level limitations and we would be able to see some ridiculous demigod shit like in bg2 then I might have agreed. Shame we won't see the sequel to it in the likes of what BG1 got.
BG2 is my favorite but Disco Elysium and BG3 are more specialized and better at their specialties, so, in that way, better games.
>>743352192Fuck, I forgot Expeditions Rome, Expeditions Vikings, Solista, and Disco Elysium>>743351234. 3/4 being great games, didnt care for vikings.
>>743349916Planescape Torment and Disco Elysium
>>743351656Kingmaker is not a low level adventure, lol.
>>743349916Why are CRPGs getting so many threads recently?Not even threads about specific games, just the genre itself.
>>743350978setting matters more. if it ain't fantasy it's no good
>>743352087Maybe you mean Baldur’s Gate: Dark Alliance? What was the setting like?
>>743349916Baldur's Gate 3 easily
>>743352364To WotR?
>>743351234BG1 got really old door me with all the running around forests. By the time I reached the city I got completely burned out and already level capped so I felt no incentive to explore and just rushed the rest of the story. SoD felt more balanced in that regard but its final boss was dogshit.BG2 felt much better since you start in a bustling city straight away and have tons of shit to do
>>743352398Roleplaying matters more. The setting can be whatever the creator wants, the game just has to be good
>>743352378spammers
>>743352406Start off in a ice towns hotel, go to a tree village, after, than ruins to fight ghosts. Realy comfy start, I see the map posted from time to time.
>>743352410They both start level 1 and both end in the 20s. WotR being a mythic campaign does not make KF a low level campaign.
>>743351971Wow, how did i miss this.i do admit i havent played it that much, waiting for arcanum-ce now to play it.
>>743349916I'm surprised no one said Morrowind yet
>>743352445I know Im the contrarian here, 90% would side with you. Weird maps in 1 that dont do anything. Villian in 2 alone almost puts it ahead but I enjoyed 1's DLC a ton and as I said before the high companion rate makes it perfect for permadeath runs.
>>743351973NWN2 is a decent RPG and the expansion Mask of the Betrayer is one of the best campaign modules of all time
>>743352483Meh, I like the one with 1-2 gods.
>>743350226I mean sure, it could have but it never came out
>>743352601Its an xbox launch game thats why not a crpg.
>>743352702What you meant is "mundane" then, I'm guessing. KM is more mundane than WotR. BG1 is more mundane than BG2.
>>743352472Yep, that's Icewind Dale.
>>743349916>>743350618>>743350675>>743352601Nope.The actual role-play part in all these games is fucking abysmal. >>743351296In my heart of hearts, I want to say this does the role-playing well, but you're basically the same immoral opportunist as everyone else. >>743351389see answer a >>743351625Now this one is where Iron Tower actually improved. Sure, you come off as an opportunist. But the sheer amount of shit you can do that legitimately does change the political landscape in the short term that factors into the ending is fucking fantastic. That's what was really missing from AoD, along with the roleplaying aspect. While it has the same limited response as other CRPGs to properly establish your character, it makes the most use of them to actually make your character seem like you hold a belief. Your companions and all the major and sub factions have different opinions and your squad quickly realize show shit things are in general and imperfect every side is as you explore the Habitat. My initial answer without thinking would've been Wrath of the Righteous but now that I really think about it I have to give it to Colony Ship since most of your dialogue in Owlcat games is just asking questions.fuck me, i never thought i'd ever say that about colony ship but it really is what a CRPG should be like
>>743352446nah i only like fantasy settings
Shadowrun Dragonfall
>>743352980Alright
>>743353121and maybe star wars (maybe)
Been playing Dragonfall earlier today, much better than Returns but the gameplay is still pretty barebones imo.
>>743353121but i heard you're a fan of >rpgs where the classes you can play are economic systems and political parties
>>743353120Why do people like Dragonfall over HKI really, really don't get it
>>743353141Cool>>743353182Yes
>>743349916All CRPGs are mediocre at best
>>743353120As much as I fucking love that game, falls into the same extraordinarily limited dialogue options as the rest.Granted, it does make the three basic responses you normally have stand out better than the vast majority of the other games, including Colony Ship.>>743353197Plot is disjointed as hell. Horrible NPC placement in an otherwise extremely atmospheric hub area. Outside of Hoei, Hong Kong has very little identity compared to the different flavors of run down anarch-capitalist hellhole Berlin. In fact, Hong Kong looks too much like that shithole. For a city, there's barely anyone actually around on missions to be worried about. I liked a horror being the one behind everything, but Hong Kong is desperately missing its own flare. Fucking Dead Man's Switch feels far more distinct. HK is just Shadowrun with Chinese window dressing.
>>743352739I doubt even this would've been able to live up to the original series, it would've been shitty 3rd edition and a new character storyline
This might sounds odd but I fancy myself class that's combination of barbarian and mage. Or just in other words sort of spellsword that hit hard. Any RPGs for something like that? I already played TES and Arcanum.
>>743353482It would have paled in comparison to Larian's Baldur's Gate 3, just like the original games
>>743349916BG2:SoA with the ToB expansion and the Ascension mod loaded. Neutral Good male human fighter with a longsword, medium shield and plate armor. Jaheira, Viconia, Imoen and Minsc with the 6th slot left open for temporary joiners for quests, to be filled by Sarevok in ToB.
>>743353446I didn't feel like HK's plot was that disjointed- if anything, I enjoyed the way it involved the player by letting you write in your own backstory and relationship with your foster dad and DuncanI will agree that the NPC places in the hub were stupid (I missed the Ki vendor like three missions in a row) but it's not like Berlin was any betterAnd HE'S companions completely fucking stomp Dragonfall's. Worlds apart in terms of quality
>>743351115BG3, in fact, is canon.
>>743353765*not canon
>>743353854*canon
>>743353642Lol, what?It's anything but up to your interpretation. You're either an asshole using some trog you picked up on the street, an estranged foster son, or a dedicated foster kid to him and Duncan. The endings kind of reflect this. Your weapons, magic, and tech dealer are all more or less a straight line from your hideout. Only one out of his way is the Spanish elf doctor in his corner of the kiez. HK? Crafty and Matthew are to your south. Your weapons dealer is through the mess of the docks to your west in another building entirely you have to go through. The ki guy you missed is a left and to the north. Medic is south of the weapon's dealer. And unlike Dragonfall, all of these fags have their own pages upon pages of meaningless dull bullshit you forget immediately after reading. Hell, the weapons dealer has four trogs you have to listen to all be retarded. Gaichu and Racter are only two companions of substantial worth with one of them, while charming and fun to read, being way too out of his mind for the "you're crazy and delusional" to be appropriate. The less said about the two supposed veteran that are really more like useless fuckups the better. Duncan is too much of a whiney one-note bitch for most of the game with his most appealing moments being when slips back into the hood trog mentality of kneecapping bitches and firing shiny laser sniper rifles
>>743353765>>743353854>>743353889Are we in fucking grade school?
>>743354103where do you think we are???
>>743354103Yuh uh
>>743354119I was hoping NOT grade school, but apparently here we are
>>743350824>plays babbys first rpg>thinks he's hot shitMany such cases.
>>743349916Fallout 3
>>743354218first step of growing up is realizing no one ever really doessociety is run by children who think they're responsible and intelligent
>>743349916Oblivion and Dark Souls 2
>>743349916>prequel to that one faggot gameEw.
>>743354360Already knew that part, but most people at least put on an act
>>743350821>can join whatever faction you want>even the heckin ebil nahtzees, and the game doesn't chastise you for it>literal gas the jews missionmore than good enough for me
>>743350618Based
Underrail's great but roleplaying wise, you are the same genociding, thieving, mass murdering, glowing, shroom consuming, exploding, scavenging, bartering, repairing, crafting, hoarding, mercenary working, and walking war crime lunatic
>>743354853Kino
>>743351394They're mostly combat focused, you create your entire party and the NPCs are just there to next location you.
>>743350226>You can't fuck everything that moves so it sucks>t.bear fucking zoomer faggot
>>743350826It's not even as text heavy as some modern CRPGs like Rogue Trader. There's truly no hope for young men. They're just too stupid.
>>743355129Good. Videogames aren't books
>>743352945When?
>>743349916>Pool of Radiance>BG3>Fallout 2>The Dark Queen of Krynn>Betrayal at Krondor>Legend of Grimrock IIOne of these.
>>743351124they all actually react to you, even the generic npcs just walking outside tarantit's really easy to program flavor text in, just check for your race or if you're invisible or if you're evil.
>>743350607Big TRVKE, only actually good IE game ever is IWD2.
>>743352187Lol no,Throne of Bhaal was the worst out of the original trilogy.
>>743351296for me, it's Colony Ship
>>743355294Reading has always been a part of CRPGs, even if it's just the stats and always should be.
>>743351167it is, as the kids say, clunky
>>743355371I hate you contrarian faggots. Throne of Bhaal is an excellent ending to the trilogy.
>best tierArcanum>great tierplanescape, ja2, colony ship, fallout>goodBG1, DOS1>okayDAO, Atom RPG, Geneforge>blanddragonfall, WL3>badDOS2>railroadBG2
>>743355768>Arcanumnah
>>743355740Throne of Bhaal was not particularly well-received at the time and ultimately comes of as rather self-indulgent, as well as redundant.
>>743355768every single game in that list should be on "railroad" tier
>>743355814it's not like bg2 was a proper sequel to begin with
>>743355768Arcanum is easily the worst CRPG on your your list, but you gave it the best rating. lol
>>743355740Not that anon, but you really think it's better than 1 and 2? I'll agree the ending was okay but the story overall felt rushed and high level DnD is awful. Fantastic OST, though.
>>743355768>Arcanumyeah
>>743355918>Arcanum is easily the worst CRPG on your your listGnome hands typed that
>>743355537Which Troika game isn't?
>>743355768I know the definitions are blurry and meaningless in the end, but Jagged Alliance 2 is really more of a tactical game or tactical RPG or whatever you want to call it rather than a CRPG.
>>743350226BG3 was good but it failed to live up to DA:O.
>>743351656>I like the low level adventuring the mostWhy? You have no abilities, it's brainless dice rolling
>>743355830Arcanum has lots of skips if you know where to go, and you only need to attack Arronax to be sent to the final area. That kind of game design is peak RPG. That said, act 2 of BG2 is huge so dismissing the entire game isn't fair.
>>743354103we would be if it wasn't summer
>>743349916Not this shit for certain, lmao.
>>743355830give me one that shouldn't
>>743355768Powerful list
BG3That said I really loved NWN2 and the expansions as well. In fact I’d say NWN2 had better worldbuilding than BG3.
i wish we had more stuff like these where we can see how the portraits are madehttps://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F8vcfuygbctnf1.png
I've recently been on a CRPG binge. Baldur's Gate 1Baldur's Gate 2Baldur's Gate 3Planescape: TormentIcewind DaleIcewind Dale 2FalloutFallout 2Dragon Age: OriginsNeverwinter NightsNeverwinter Nights 2Divinity: Original SinDivinity: Original Sin 2Wasteland 2Wasteland 3Torment: Tides of NumeneraPillars of EternityPillars of Eternity 2TyrannyPathfinder: KingmakerPathfinder: Wrath of the RighteousWarhammer 40,000: Rogue TraderHonestly, I've enjoyed them all in one way or another. I'm probably in the minority in that I loved both BG2 and 3. 1 was also good. I think I enjoy the lower level adventures more than the higher level stuff, but the rest of the game felt a bit dated. I ended up like Rogue Trader more than the Pathfinder games, but they were great as well. I've added Dark Heresy to my wishlist. And plan on playing the Shadowrun trilogy next. What else can I play? Should I try older shit like the Ultima games? Is Solasta any good?
>>743350116ugh the whiny emo elf.... at least her portrait was cute I guess.
>>743350226incorrect. bg1 & 2 have more spells, abilities, weapons, dialogue and story options, other than gooner shit and graphics what does bg3 have?
>>743350826this.
>>743356478I found BG1 to be a horrible drag. Low level DnD is always a chore but in this case that's almost the entire game. It being an earlier edition with no feats to spice up leveling up certainly doesn't help.The writing is nothing to write home about either. They're trying to set up this struggle against your cursed divine blood with the dreams, but it doesn't really stick the landing and otherwise the tone is all over the place. I gave up somewhere in Baldur's Gate, I gotta pick it back up and power through to check out BG2.
>>743356757bg3 has more spells and abilities actually, especially more than bg1but overall the combat is just more balanced, 90% of the original 2 games spells are useless and martial classes have no abilities that aren't HLAs
>>743350851that's winning by hypothetical default though, if every d&d based game had a similar development kit, might be different
>>743356757Not that anon, but you do realise BG3 actually has more written dialogue than BG1 and 2 combined? Also, it has more spells and abilities than the first game at least. Not sure about the second and it depends on if you count ToB. So I'm afraid you're pretty wrong on some of those.
>>743356836Excuse you, Berserkers have a hit-stuff-stronger button.
>>743352008heya! that's imoen. thief and mage extraordinaire, put some respect on her
>>743356825nta but I never bothered with BG1, was too janky. BG2 is good but kinda average if you've played other stuff before it. never bothered to finish the expansion because it felt too railroaded and the story started to meander.
>>743356836original bg1 had limited spells yes but that was changed with mods and the rerelease. balance in combat sounds boring, in bg1&2 you can build op characters and party members. also bg1&2 has more in depth and interesting dialogue, lot less gooner shit and more story, character progression.
>>743356870if bg3 has more dialogue, it's most likely retarded emotional, gay, gooner trash dialogue that adds very little to the shitty story
>>743356898hey! that's a very powerful button
>>743357269It's really not, anon. At least, no more than BG2. As someone who recently played both, they both have about an equal amount of romance and horny shit and it's about equally cringe. I like both, but I swear you people forget shit like Haer'Dalis. I love BG2, but if you think BG2 doesn't have cringey romance shit as well, you need to replay it.
>>743357221the enhanced editions still have less spells. mods obviously don't countBG3 is way more story focused than the first two. There's much more dialogue, there's multiple options to quests, there's non-combat options for quests. In the first two games dialogue is really just there to add flavour to the combat. Sexual content in BG3 is like 1% of the gameBut I guess if abusing convoluted rule systems to make characters that attack 20 times per round and steamroll through a game you've already played 20 times the original two might be better
>>743351241It's an 'easy' way to show that these characters are their own persons, and does not just exist to suck you - the player, off. Even if their here to do literally that, and them being douchebags, just turns the player off.
>>743357539>they were written to suck intentionallyYou can't really believe this given the kind of person who writes these characters?
>>743351167Was waiting for someone to mention this one, honestly found it much easier to get into than BG2. It helps that it is based off one of the best Adventure Modules of all time. It is lots of fun thoroughly recommend, I much preferred the turn based combat of ToEE over real time with pause
anyone else played it?tried to play it - it's junkwarned
>>743350882>I hear its the GOAT nowOnly through extensively modding the game to be a proper porn game
>>743350662based
>>743350618The game controls like shit and there's pixelhunting in the fugly environments which is never fun.
>>743351023Mazzy is pretty good no? She's the best option for the bows and is mostly self sufficient
>>743357047True
>>743356478Based video games enjoyer
>>743350618Fallout is my personal favorite CRPG but BG2 is probably the best one objectively speaking
Bioware has done irrepairable damage to the CRPG genre
>>743359357I forgot to add Temple of Elemental Evil, too. And KotOR 1 and 2 and Vampire: The masquerade if they count. Haven't tried Arcanum yet, but it sounds like I should.
>>743359851You liked Redditemple of Redditelemental Redditevil?
>>743359874>thing i don't like is... le reddit!
Anybody try Skald: Against the Black Priory? It was great imo.
Le shit?Pool of Radiance is getting re-released. Original release is famous for deleting system32 when you uninstall it.https://store.steampowered.com/app/4834760/Pool_of_Radiance_Ruins_of_Myth_Drannor/
>>743350662>>743350798>>743351115>>743358135>>BG3 confirms Jaheira romance noncanonThat's not true. If you play as Dark Urge and ask about whether Jaheira and Gorion's Ward were lovers, she essentially says "leave the gossip to the bards" and refuses to answer one way or another.The fact she's living in the same city points towards the fact they were together.
>play atom rpg>there is a ruffian base map>find out that there's this guy and his gf that's dressed like a man>they explain she's pretending to be a man so she doesn't get raped>blackmail them so i sex his gf>she comes with me (heh)>we have sex in some shed>bf is angry but lets it go>play trudograd>there's this girl who can be impressed with you>she'll offer sex inside a room>you can choose to use condom or not>cum inside her>talk to the guy who crushes over her>"she said you're cute">they get together>play swordhaven>get to first town>some farmer has a crush on the mayor's daughter>talk to her>speech check into having sexi'm noticing a pattern here
>>743350618>Fallout>replayableNigger what? It's extremely short, non-combat skills except for Science and Speech are completely useless, the unmodded companions are a joke, in every single quest the morally good option is also the best one, locations are huge and empty of content...
>>743360141It's replayable because it's short
>>743360514There's nothing to replay.
>>743360083Slavic rpgs really haven't evolved at all huh
>>743360850Name the most replayable CRPGs
>>743350618Fallout 1 is about as much of a 10/10 as it can get Short but everything and I do mean literally fucking everything became instantly iconic. Music art backstory of the world random bullshit like caps. Game starts to end around the time it gets a bit tiring.Gameplay mechanics are incredibly easy to understand for anyone playing it.Extremely well executed main quest I don't really care if it's light on content when it did everything it was supposed toIt always surprises me it came out as early as it did for how it handles 97 fucks sakes their were RPGs that came out in 2000 that are more confusing
>>743350116shut the FUCK up bitch stop whining
>>743360887Those games are all made by the same people, so why would they?
>>743361045ArcanumBaldur's Gate IIIFallout: New VegasPillars of Eternity II
>>743362006Powerful list
Still the king for non-fantasy. For fantasy, i'd say Arcanum or Torment (very different reasons for praise), and I've also come to like Wizardry 8 a lot (lots of really good moments created by the mechanics).
>>743351115Retard, if she was romanced, she would be dead
>>743359938Yea, not a dull moment. Mage breaks the game towards the end though. Lightning bolt that just wipes everybody off the map and makes them miss their turn, including bosses
>>743354853Underrail's setting is so turbofucked it's literally impossible to survive without being batshit insane murderhobo, at least if you want to travel between settlementsBesides, genociding the snake people literally saves the setting from a potential calamity.
>>743363881yeahhard to roleplay in such a setting on another note, it's a miracle your character comes across as normal to anyone else at allyou saying the rathound king isn't bad but not someone you'd hang out with is probably the most honest and biggest indicator of how scrambled your brain is
>>743354103I know you are but what am I?
>>743349916Atom RPG & TrudogradWHIMSY
>>743361116>I don't really care if it's light on content when it did everything it was supposed toRPGs are supposed to give you stuff to do and give you options, Fallout barely has any
>>743351234>BG1 first>Kingmaker secondLOL:LMAO even!!! Have this (you) for the obvious bait.
>>743349916As someone whose only exposure to the setting is BG3 and the first Drizzt book, I have a question for lorefags. If Mystra governs magic, can't she depower every other god that also uses it and thus bend all of them to her will? Or are their powers, while mystical, under a different category than magic?
>>743365537she governs arcane magic not divine magic
bg2. from the modern ones its pathfinder wotr for me even though it has a bunch of issues.
>>743365537Divine Magic and Arcane Magic are separate, you get Divine Magic and abilities from the god you worship(clerics) or by having a connection to nature(druids), arcane magic you can be born with(sorcerers), study(wizards) or get by forming a pact with a powerful being that is not a god(warlocks)?
>>743349916Fallout 1/2 for sci-fi, Dragon Age: Origins for fantasy. Both have great world-building and lore, and DAO has more memorable characters than most.I have not played BG3 yet though.
>>743351973>Neverwinter NightsThe main campaign is terribly forgettable and throwaway. Supposedly you were meant to mod it or create your own adventures or download custom ones or something, but it's not my job to create the game myself after paying for it, so I dunno what that's all about. I think Temple of Elemental Evil was a similar thing but even worse.
anything after BG2 is romance slopanything after 2010 is a multiple choice test
Redpill me about Pathfinder.Should I start with Kingmakr?
>>743368820if you don't want to be spoiled by wotr's superior mechanics, yes
>>743368820Kingmaker kinda sucks. Feel free to skip it entirely.
>>743368820Wrath is an improvement, you'll suffer if you play Kingmaker second
>>743351241If bg2 came out today you'd hate it even more.You have NTR bait, marvel quipping fag, reddit the character.
>>743368820wotr is so long might as well skip king.
>>743368976>>743369193Yeah, that's what I was hearing.>>743369135Is WotR better to you?
>>743351023>cheese>it's just regular spell accessed through normal gameplay
>>743349916You just posted it.
>>743351658
>>743369284Nothing ever NTRs the player character, but frankly the romance subplots in these games has always been the gayest shit and the worst part.
>>743365686>>743366059Ah that makes sense, thank you. Gale mislead me when he said "Mystra IS magic".
>>743369345I did find WotR much better. It was still Pathfinder so stacking +1s and prebuffing bullshit, but the story was so fun that I didn't mind bearing with it and I liked more than 2 companions.
I've found I don't like them all that much. branching narratives with alternate endings is not my cup of tea and that's what they became. they seemed to be more open world with a story in the instruction manual from my memory. the story mainly being linear. suppose I've become that old man telling kids to get off my lawn. unironically think Bethesda makes the best games in that style now (or did before Fallout 4).
>>743368820You should start with kingmaker, if you hate it skip it. Hard games to get into, going on a easier mode for kingmaker to learn everything, it will make WotR better. I liked Kingmaker more, I found the setting and plot better. WotR was Xtream mountain dew kingmaker. I get why Anons love that but meh.
>Not one mention of Ultima VIIWtf
>>743369557She is the Weave, but that's just one source of what can be called magical abilities, other sources include the Shadoweave made by Shar and Nature itself which powers druids.
>>743369449that encounter is like the only reason to ever use spike trapsyou can make a beeline to the flintock parts in the beginning cave and never have to worry about anything other than running out of ammo
>>743368820Play kingmaker first. Not just because WOTR builds on its mechanics and going straight into WOTR would overwhelm you, but also because it's a genuinely comfy fantasy adventure. Install auto buffer, toybox and something to make kingdom management less of a pain in the ass and enjoy the ride.
>>743369469Eh i liked them as a 12-year-old brat, and I can enjoy them even now knowing better.
>>743352789NTA but would you call Lord of the Rings mundane? I like the journey in BG1 more than what BG2 throws at you.
>>743369469>Nothing ever NTRs the player characterHaer-Dalis can steal Aerie away from you if you are retarded and make the wrong choices.
>>743369284Jan and Minsc two of the most beloved BG2 companions would be relentlessly, endlessly shit on by /v/ if the game had come out today.
>>743370147You need to be full pants on head retard for it to happen though, although i'm certain some /v/tards are stupid enough to actually trigger it.
>>743370147Oh right, I forgot about that faggot. I usually don't have either of them in my party, and never at the same time anyway. Sucks to be finding out they put NTR shit in the game that far back, but glad it's something I missed.
>>743369284Jan is just that weird uncle who constantly spouts weird things. He even has a very relatable and sad side quest about his crush and her abuser.
I've been playing planescape torment a little here and there and it's a good time. still on the third floor of the beginning area.
>>743370209/v/ is so dishonest and hypocritical about Baldur's Gate, I'm glad I actually played the games myself instead of just regurgitating the narratives.
>>743369845not a CRPG + horrible '90s gigajank controls
Man I wish ToB had been betterAnd I don't think it's horrible. It's "ok"There's never going to be another series of games like BG1, BG2, ToB. If ToB had been as good as the others the whole saga would have been perfect, it's already the best "really long play the same guy story of going from nothing to godhood" but ToB being what it is just isn't right. It should have been more.
>>743370808What is /v/ wrong about? It is filled with gay sex, trannies, and beastiality.
>>743349916Yes.>>743350116The portraits are so ugly.
>>743369845i wanted to play it, but the font is unreadable. i'm not wasting time on that
>>743371036well I think it IS horrible!!!! Legit one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever played and I regretfully put even BG3 over it as an overall experience, legit the only redeeming feature of ToB is solely the ending cutscene and character slides being kino especially if you became a god
>>743371397There is a mod for that
>>743371036The entire second half of BG2 is just as bad as ToB. I don't know who's responsible but I have a feeling that it was Gaider, since that dude even privately released a mod that added Irenicus to ToB. I hate this gay plot with the leather clad nipples out villain so much. Even Amelyssan is 10 times better.
>>743371036We're lucky we got ToB at all, development was all but cut short and they didn't have the time to do everything they wanted with it. Important to keep in mind it's an expansion pack, not its own game. These weren't the days where publishers would throw hundreds of millions of dollars at a project and see how it went.
>>743371223It's much less gay than /v/ says but much more gay than I can stomach.
>>743370808I like how despite not allowing you to point the camera up they manage to put you in high up places so you can admire some sort of vista down below. Their level design is great.
>>743351023How about Yoshimo if you use that mod that brings him back into life and story?
>>743356478Skald: Against the Black Priory has a cool vibe to it. Liked it a lot. Also doesn't take that long to finish.I'll try to think of something else too.t. CRPG-aficionado
>>743372518in Larian's GDC talk they said that they had to take into account the fact that now the dialogue and cutscenes would show the environment from more angles compared to Divinity games, so they had to step their environmental design up.
>>743372813Skald was a real treat. I loved all the narrative interludes with soulful pixelart.
Deadfire’s main story was awful, the open world attempt ruins the progression of main and side content both, the followers are dreadful and even the setting is crazy in that they thought it would sell well, no faction has redeeming qualities. And the less said about the ship the better.But I thought its multiclassing and combat were some of the most fun in RTWP CRPGs. Maybe I’m crazy too.
>>743356478I'm >>743372813Did you play NWN2's Mask of The Betrayer? And the real comfiest sleeper CRPG ever made: Storm of Zehir. SoZ is severely underrated and is a great intermission to the very story heavy games; you just gather your dudes and head off into the wilderness to adventure. Loved it.Solasta is basically a wannabe-SoZ: story light, grab your dudes and go, but it's much more linear and the pricing is scummy for the extra content. Not bad, but it was a disappointment after the promising early access.For Shadowrun I could almost recommend skipping the first game; it's basically like a tutorial to the next two games. Going straight to Dragonfall is a valid option. But it's also not too long to finish the first game so do what you want. Just know that Dragonfall does basically everything better.
>>743356478I tried Solasta a few times. I thought I was a man who didn't really care about graphics, but Solasta is so eyestrainingly ugly that I couldn't bear it. It wouldn't be that bad if they settled for static portraits instead of zooming in on those abominable characters during dialogue.>>743373302Deadfire combat was fantastic, you're not crazy. Easily some of the best in the genre, in large part due to not using a fucking tabletop system.
>>743351973>>743366993I read once that Neverwinter Nights was meant to be sold as a mod/campain platform, but Bioware realized it wouldn't sell without an actual game attached to it, so they hastily made one. No idea whether it's true or just a schizo theory, though.Both expansions were much better. NWN 2 by Obsidian had a pretty good campain. MotB was excellent.
I have come to shill Banquet for Fools. Go play Banquet for Fools.
>>743370808True
>>743373517NWN1 was basically meant to be a toolkit for GM:ing your own group in self-made contentthey deliberately made the NWN2 toolkit more difficult to use since they were scared custom content might overshadow their planned expansion stuff, which was a silly notion in multiple waysit did give us motb and soz so I guess it's a wash
>>743350226>tell Imoen to pick a lock in BG2>she walks over and picks the lock>tell Astarion to pick a lock in BG3>world goes dark>d20.png loads in>vineboom.mp3>CLICK TO ROLL THE DIE>*casino animation starts playing*>"bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaSHOOOOOOM">lootbox.mp3>YOU'RE A WINNER CONGRATULATIONS>cut back to the actual game world and the lock is openBG3 isn't an rpg, it's a tabletop simulator. It's not designed to immerse the player in a fantasy world. It's designed to make the player feel like they're playing D&D. It's not for people who want to experience a story. It's not for people who want to roleplay in a fantasy setting. It's not for people who want a fun combat sandbox to play with goofy weapons and spells. It's for people who fetishize D&D and want to roll dice and seduce the dragon and hang out with gay vampires and feel like a heckin quirky nerd.
>>743373765I wish NWN1 was in 3.5
do you guys play BG1 with the Sword Coast Stratagems mod?
>>743373836being a CRPG boomer who has finished all IE games a zillion times: yes, it's one of the best ways to keep it interestingthis doesn't apply to newer players who don't yet understand the game mechanics. I can see SCS being overwhelming if you don't even understand why your ass is getting handed to you.
>>743373784You forgot the >Narrator: the lock is picked, you feel yourself proud with the capacity for picking looks, you matter just like trans rights>Astarion: I picked this lock just like my asshole was picked by a prick, because I'm gay>*Shadowheart disapproves*
>>743373580Is it on GOG? If it's on GOG i'll go check it on youtube and if i like it i'll add it to my wishlist.
>>743373836Yes. I consider SCS mandatory for BG series. It makes the experience much more interesting.
>>743350226I almost downloaded that game until I realized would never get ride of the absurd level of faggotry they poured in it.That game is incredibly gay. No thanks.
>>743373836I do but SCS is much better in BG2 than BG1
>>743371241I liked the portraits in Arcanum
>>743374082It is.
>>743350226this. story still sucks, but it's a solid game.
>>743374139They are good, BG portraits are rough.
>>743369284Kek
Just mentioning games that almost never get mentioned because they fall between genre cracks or something:Deep Sky DerelictsCurious Expedition (2 is better than 1 imo, but both are good)WildermythAll have very unique feel to them.
>>743374139>Half-orc men look like shit>Half-orc women look boyish at worstmy necro solomorne doom or whatever looking real fly tho
>>743373836SCS is for fags
>>743373343SoZ had the best way of making your custom party feel like they were actually alive and had their own personalities and strengths with the way you had opportunities to interject into conversations based on your class, race, stats and whatever. Now imagine had crpg makers had built off it in all these years instead of basically abandoning that system.
>>743374139aren't a lot of arcanum portraits real historical images retouched?
>>743350556Never happened, but ok>t. my first sorceror protag was the weakest character in the team and he had to wish to become a greater wolf were so he can participate in battle with some support spells.
>>743349916Am I the only one looking forward to the new story mod coming out soon?
>>743373836>what if we allowed enemies to have obscene pre-buffs???not reallywotr did that with its high level enemies and that was mostly because you are expected to do the exact same
>>743374471Fascists iirc.
>>743350713sovl
>>743374139I wish human females were real
>>743374451Why>>743350226Bg3 has shit writing and a story cut to death. 5e isn't doing it any favours. I do like to play as a dungeon crawler with my mods.
>>743374471Yes
>>743350607You are right, Bioware did irreparable damage to the CRPG genre and we still haven't fully recovered from it, but we are not ready for this conversation yet.
>>743349916I may be bias but I love divine divinity. it's up there for me
>>743374556>obscene pre-buffsThat's Tactics. SCS buffs are much more sensible.
>>743374729this game is way underrated.
>>743374729dog>muttis the best companion. he'll never stab you in the back
>>743374729Virgil is a fucking pussy
>>743375051he's a recovering fuck up, anon
>>743374156I am looking the GOG reviews right now. Wishlisting it. For some reason this game flew under my radar but now i'll get it during the winter GOG sale.
>>743374681isn't she a half-knifeear?
>>743376189
>>743350226>get a bad roll>reload the gameriveting gameplay
One of the least discussed aspects of what’s good about BG2 is the itemization. So many CRPGs now have horrible item progression and horrible crafting and it’s horrible. You level up and replace your generic sword of +5% fire damage and now you can spend fifty widgets and ten arcane dust to craft a generic sword of +6% fire damage. Just thinking about it makes me nauseous.BG2? You killed a red dragon, here’s Carsomyr. Fought some crazy guys in the Temple district? Here’s Celestial Fury. Found some weird portal? Here’s your Staff of the Magi. You got real items for doing real shit. When you get a good item you remember it, even if it’s something like finding the gloves of now you have good dex in the sewers. And the crafting was a simple system of you found some artifact pieces or killed a dragon and got its scales and now you get a cool item. Crafting should NEVER have gone beyond that point.
>>743349916Arcanum, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Kotor
>>743376429all the weapons, items, armor etc makes the Realms feel alive and full of magic and wondrous items ofc /tg/ faggots just screech to high heaven there's too much magic and powerful items but finding all the epic shit is part of why I love BG2
>>743376313that's on you, not the game.
>>743376213ohthat background sucks btwjust get purity of water
>>743376313savescumming is fun tho
>>743376313That's every CRPG.
I love CRPGs and wish I was more technically minded and less lazy to try and work on my own.
>>743350618Correct!
>>743373580Isn't that game co-op only or some shit?
>>743371223>Arcanum has all three.>So does Fallout 2.>And Fable.But you seethe about this one particular game, thread after thread... hmm...
>>743377583no, it is neither of those things.
>>743372082>>743371036No, anon, they had to cut it short because Interplay was going bankrupt.The project lead for BG2 outright said what they should have done:>Stop the development of BG2 at the point you leave Spellhold, go back, finish up all the questlines and plotlines, polish it.>Make BG3 about the second half of events.>THEN make the expansion, at your leisure, about the Bhaalspawn Crisis.You have no idea how much was cut from BG2. If you think BG3 is unfinished, you have another thing coming if you delve into the topic.
I wanna play the Baldur's Gates, but I heard that the Beamdog Enhanced Editions retcon a lot of dumb shit into them, while the original editions are way too old to run on modern systems. I don't wanna register on sites just to download a "remove dumb retconned shit" mod, either, like you used to be forced to with nexusmods. What's the best option for me?
>>743378021EE is just fine really, just don't recruit the new companions.
>>743349916Croc 2 (ps1)
>>743378021All you have to do is not recruit the new NPCs. You will have no difficulty identifying them.
>>743350226Based
>>743378021There are mods that remove or undo the beamdog content entirely
>>743350226I remember when I posted BG2 screencaps of dialogue and the only thing BG3fags could come up for a rebuttal was "I-it's too flowery!", as if that's not how it should be for a fantasy DND game. It's night and day how hard BG2's writing shits on BG3's.
>>743349916Planescape: Torment
>>743378021The enhanced editions are... "fine", just don't use any of the new party members that Beamdog introduced. Look up a guide which one those are.I'd say the biggest sin is how they removed the original 3d cutscenes and replaced them with something worse, you know those weird slide show style cutscenes that talentless low budget studios use. Pretty sure there is a mod to fix that.
>>743378021old versions run fine
>>743378083>>743378151Is it really only companions? There was an extra campaign, too, I hear, for 2, but yeah, I guess you can just skip that. Is the original content for 1 and 2 completely intact and uncensored?
>>743378432Siege of Dragonspear, just skit it
>>743378648Skyrim is not a CRPG silly. It's a dungeon crawler.
>>743378694Skyrim
>>743378432I don’t remember anything being censored. I wouldn’t say the games are “completely intact” since there’s bug fixes and BG1EE uses the system changes BG2 made so there are significant differences from the original BG1 in that respect but that’s kinda how most people were playing BG1 using mods before the EEs came out anyways. It doesn’t matter much as long as you ignore the new NPCs and don’t play Siege of Dragonspear.
>>743378498I like argents portrait. Haven't played the game, nor do I plan to do so.>>743378395Iwdee is great and bgee needs patches to restore the correct look.
>>743355307>>The Dark Queen of Krynn>>Betrayal at KrondorYou may argue that they have the best story ever. But their gameplay really holds them back from being in the running for best RPG ever.
>>743349916I liked Wasteland 3
>>743379132Why?
>>743379249I liked the combat and soundtrack
>>743379008their gameplay is fine, though. do you mean presentation?
>>743379301Nice.
>>743378021I played them as well as the originals and didn't really see any faggotry, then again I didn't go looking for it either as I had an idea of the kind of party I wanted already. What you will certainly notice is how absolutely fucking useless many of the new classes and kits are as you experiment, while others can nearly solo the game. Do not make a black guard or have one in your party or they will constantly be dead and not do any damage. Inversely archers can solo almost anything with specialty ammo, save for the final boss.
>>743350821Actually it's one of the only good RPG stories ever written. The whole story until the final act is just a story of a common man doing jobs to survive and move up in the world. It's not driven forward by the protagonist being chosen, or a prophecy unfolding, or an ancient evil awakening. It's just a guy trying to make a living in a world filled with monsters. I would take Underrail's story over pretty much any CRPG story other than Planescape Torment.
>>743350662>>BG3 confirms Neera noncanonThe only good thing BG3 did.
>>743379342Betrayal at Krondor is kino, but Gold Box Slop is unplayable, and I don't think it's due to age either. It's a shame those are the only Dragonlance games.
>>743349916Probably too old for most of the people here but this and Wasteland were always the top CRPGs for me
>>743379743That's cool
>>743379743Is the writing better than in the new ones?
>>743379712https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UByqJvOrna8Gold Box game ported to Genesis with a different presentation. You might like it more (young me sure did)
Sorcerer or mage?
>>743380576Sorcerer is better if you know exactly which spells to pick, otherwise mage is better
>>743379436Yeah, I'm thinking I might just pull a Rance and only bring girls along for my team. Guaranteed zero faggotry! lolAre mages too complicated for someone new to the DnD system? Is it true that monks blow?
>>743379743Is Wasteland remastered good?
>>743350226/v/ will never stop seething at it, like with E33
>>743368820Is a chore to play and the game get worse the more you advance
>>743380717Playing BG1 as a monk is the worst mistake you could ever makeMage is good
>>743350618I love both games
>install weaboo portrait pack>suddenly neera is a cute genki waifuuh
>>743382096>weaboo portrait pack>crpgprofound mental retardation
>>743370209Imagine how /v/ would react to Viconia if the game released today.
>>743382680kek
How easy is it to softlock yourself in 1 or 2 if you don't know the game well enough yet to know what's godlike and what's complete doodoo?
>>743382787Almost impossible unless you want to play a solo sorcerer or something as a new player
>>743382787pretty sure 1 is completely cheesable with anything. I didn't play 2 long enough to find out.
>>743382787you can change the difficulty at any time so pretty damn hard. you can't even fuck up companion builds cause it's ADND so there's no feats or anything like that.
>>743370296>>743370293The only way you'd ever see that is if you did it on purpose.There is no way anyone could ever trigger that on accident.
>>743383020And if Haer joins in later in the game, he outright refuses to pursue her if you already have relationships with her.
>>743382096Aerie with dungeon meshi portrait is so adorable.
>>743381416Monk is op af. Easiest solo run ever.
>>743379436shaman is also pretty worthless
>>743383362Isn't this the strongest class of all, having 6 elementals for free? Iirc there was a solo run where the guy just dances his way to god hood.
>>743383435it's complete ass early on unless afking while the battle happens is ideal
What's a good party for a good aligned Berserker in BG1? (I'm playing SCS if that matters for party comp)
>>743349916Rogue Trader
>>743349916
>>743379342I'm the Anon you replied to and just moving around the game world and the combat are just kinda bad, it's nothing egregious, but it really brings down the experience.Now, I'll give it the benefit of being older than the systems that standardized how a cRPG should play and that I've been spoiled by newer games, Krondor is six years older than I am, but I had to force myself through the gameplay towards the end with my only motivation to keep playing being the story.
>>743380783It pretty good, but I would never recommend it to a casual, you'd have to be interested in playing a game of that vintage, because the remaster is faithful to even the rough edges of the original, (this is a good thing).
Any of you stumblin mumblin fools ever try the Arkania games? I saw that your party members actually have negative traits and behaviors you cant control and shit happens unexpectedly as a result like dwarves being greedy or fighters being hotheaded.
>>743384572Based
>>743384572definitely my favourite armor system.
>>743380576Sorcerer is way fucking better as long as you know which spells to take.
>>743384639 (me)>>743379342Sorry I got Krynn mixed up with another game, I've never played that one so disregard my comments on it.
>>743384639I dunno anon. The overworld traversal is not much different than modern FPS games. The combat system being a grid where you take turns is even common today. I'm not sure what gameplay is outdated.The character building has no levels but you gain skills through active use...Honestly this sounds similar to Bethesda games...
>>743385576It's the way it feels, like all the controls are covered in grit and sticky. Although that may have been a skill issue on my end getting that to run with DosBox on Windows 7 off of the original floppies.
>best crpg>only 5 mentions of underrailPretty sad state of affairs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1bBywTExU
>>743387307That's a lot of mentions
>tfw no crpg with actually good (ie anime) aesthetics
>>743350226BG3 suffers from tabletop crapDivinity OS 2 is better
>>743387572The C in cRPG stands for "not japanese shit"
>>743387319>OOHHH>YA BI DO BI>YABOGABI>DOBI DA YA VI DO VI DA DO>YA BI DO BI
>>743387572You didn’t hear it from me, but the next Etrian Odyssey will actually be a CRPG instead of a dungeon crawler.
>>743388571then it shouldn't relate to anything after 1997
>>743349916Pillars of Eternity 2 if we're being serious. I would say KOTOR II. But that's less of a CRPG and more of an action RPG.
>>743387307Reminder that you can unfuck psi with a mod now.
I'm thinking about making a dragon disciple run with IWD2 spells mod. Are there any good picks for a sorc in that mod or it's mostly a Jaheira buff?
>>743388676https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJYsaFelV-4&list=PLuiE5nl-czOHWZ2PxifUOKKAz4BSJbA56
>>743389142>nooooo psi can’t just be the strongest build in the game it has to be ultra double super elder god tier and make everything a joke or it’s no fun allowed bullshit
>>743389121Powerful
>>743373302imagine making the best real time combat in the crpg genre and following that up with whatever the fuck Avowed is
>>743389142Quite the self-report if you had to seek out mods for any part of that game
>>743389436Enervation did nothing to make psi weaker, it just made it less fun to use, StygThat's why it has to go
>>743349916Gameplay - BG2 hands downAtmosphere/Roleplaying - BG1/Fallout 1Fallout & BG fully embraced the old school open world sandbox RPG and I love it. The more linear, forced on-rails an RPG is the less I enjoy it.
>>743389083You're right, I forgot that japan was the only country in the world starting in 1998
>>743373517I played NWN for years on roleplaying servers. Its mod/mapping tools were legendary. As others have said that was kind of the point. Passionate fans made entire BG1/2 length campaigns for it with a lot of custom shit.It was essentially a build-your-own d&d adventure platform. A lot of RP servers had BG1/2 sized worlds you could join with 50-100 players. It was nuts. Probably peak RP video gaming experience.
>>743387572Are there no Japanese CRPGs?
BG1 is overrated, walking slowly through empty maps and the "dungeons" are just literal hallways with traps.
>>743373784>>743374026Best description of BG3 I've ever heard. By the time I got to the city I was fatigued and couldn't go on.
>>743349916Is this a hot take?
>>743387572Cygames is making a Granblue Fantasy CRPG.
>>743390315>here's your final dungeon bro
>>743390397yea, the potential is there but it's an unfinished mess
>>743390450I feel like the restored content mod is so close to perfect if they just made the HK factory section actually up to parThe additions to the ending are basically 100% needed at this point
>>743390397Yes but I love Kotor 2 so I can't hate on it too much
>>743390315And bg2 is a streamlined, railroaded themepark.
>>743389239https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TCOtEJD6zk&list=PLi1CK-rsvz1Nfz83RMBp_9YaIgBWd0l9x&index=26
>>743390315I like the slow empty maps, it has a charm. Dungeons are pure ass though. The fact monster respawn completely ruin them.
>>743390028Fallout's atmosphere is so goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaRiY7WkMhwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZZKzJTGI9Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf7l_em3nrshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qt_70iGk4
>>743390272Being the land of consols for 2 decades I dont think there is AAA ones. Palworld might be there biggest computer game.
>>743387572Good
>>743391293They only respawn if you allow the fog of war to return. Just space characters so it doesn't. You can identify the spawn and just plop a character there until you clear out the dungeon.
>>743391447What about smaller or earlier ones, like for PC-98? Plenty of CRPGs from 2010 on have made it onto consoles so it's not like they're impossible do for that platform.
>>743349916Wasteland 2/3
>>743392204>2yesss>3nah
>>7433922783's gameplay is better
>>743392338>>7433922783 I think is a hidden gem. Is two actually better or even near as good?
>>743388676It's Latin + middle slavic fantasy language faik
>>743392726>Is two actually betterNo but it's still good
>>743392338I dunno. I didn't really like the new stats and skills as much. They're messier.>>743392726I liked the tone and setting of 2 much better. 3 is very wacky apocalypse, 2 is much more grounded for the most part.
Are pathfinder, divinity and BG3 only games released in last 15 years which would be contenders for best CRPG?
>>74339045095% of all RPGs are stitched together and filled with cut content.The only two that were released polished and feature-complete out the gate were KOTOR and the first Mass Effect.
>>743353197Quadrupling the dialogue didn't make the writing better and some of the combat mechanics were outright broken in HK like lay line spells because they arbitrarily changed it to dragon lines and apparently those are too distinct.
>>743349916DOS2
>>743393270>they are filled with cut contentu r dumb
>>743393396>Autist doesn't understand shorthands.
>>743393235No
>>743393235I liked Rogue Trader better than Pathfinder
>>743353642The only one I remember in HK is Racter. The only complaint I can think of for DF is if you're putting a performative rage about the anarchist guy being an anarchist in an anarchist setting, which is what I strongly suspect your problem is with it.
>>743393235Pathfinder mogs BG3 for the fact that in BG3 you lose a ton of great loot for an evil playthrough while getting shit in return such as the Slayer form.
>>743393235No since Colony Ship and Underrail exist
>>743350226BG3 is automatically better because it’s not rtwp
>>743350226boomer here who loved bg2yeah bg3 was better, even despite the homofaggot niggertranny shit
Is there any mod to improve BG1/2 pathfinding? Navigating your team in narrow corridors is a nightmare.
>>743389142I can't believe psi users are still crying over the big psi patch. lmao
>>743394048i'm pretty sure EE did but there are hardly any problems even with old bg2bg1 pathfinding however is absolutely awful (nonexistent really) but hardly anyone besides myself ever plays the original version
>>743349916Veilguard.
>>743349916Baldur's Gate ToSC. BG2 is just a worse BG1 and all other CRPGs are either just bad (shadowrun, poe) or gross romance slop for psychos (owlcat and larian shit).
>>743393104No>>743392726 much better>>743393109Messier? 5e, esp larians 5e is as clean as it gets, which makes it very boring.
>>743373580>>743374156>>743377691I looked it up and though your webms make it look really good, the characters' appearances and character portraits are so off putting that I'm having a hard time getting past them. One should never judge a book by it's cover or get distracted by superficial details, but man, this is a hard one. It's like the cruelty squad of character portraits
>>743396006I think character appearances all have their charm.
>>743396135>fuckable lowpoly elfI find parts of myself warming to them
>>743396006>characters' appearances and character portraits are so off puttingwhat! the stop-motionesque artstyle is so charming and unique. comparing the handmade puppet show vibe to the intentional retinal assault of cruelty squad is hard. I am apalled.
>>743396328is harsh*
>>743393235Space Wreck my g>>743393450Also seconding this, still suffers from a lot of Owlcatisms, but is overall much better paced and balanced than either of the PF games.
>>743396328Their faces remind me of that mentally ill person whose face looked like a cat due to plastic surgery and they were so mentally ill they saw everyone elses face as cat faces too (as evidenced by the way they drew their portraits)
>>743373580Banquet is such a unique experience. The world is insanely charming but it also doesn't hold your hand at all and it makes it feel like a genuine adventure.But on a flip side the rpg system is fucked fundamentally in so many ways it's just insane, it would be far better off with just static skill points you assign at level ups instead of this pseudo TES "you are what you use" system because you only control 1 character out of 4, the rest use their actions automatically which WILL screw up their leveling sooner or later.
>>743390315That's why it's awesome. Gives a realistic sense of scale. Themepark RPG design ruins immersion.
>>743391343Hidden gemhttps://youtu.be/u63QpEPwKZw?si=I_tJbJZ00rUmYiZh
>>743396553Yea I don't know what the fuck they were thinking there. They tried to alleviate it by adding the book thingy where you can choose a focus skill, but it's still stupid. I don't get what's wrong with just picking skills manually on level up. At least there's respec now.>>743396495That's fucked up. I don't know what to tell you. Playing the game will probably alleviate that feeling go do that now.
>>743396431>Space Wreck>167 reviews>all time peak 50 concurrent playersWhere the hell did you find that shit? Tell me more.
>midnight hits europe>crpg thread diesdo burgers not like the genre?
>>743398337Hate 'em
We need more space opera CRPGs
>>743398807>monkey's paw curls
>>743398807A decent,. open world Traveller cRPG would be the most top end shit.
>>743397076>>743396431>Space Wreck>wtf lol>download demo>playing it now, seems cool
>>743396553I like the worldbuilding and was repelled by the alien elves at first, especially as I have extreme anxiety from stop motion. How's combat? Plenty say it sucks and the game is repetitive af. Playing ff stranger of paradise now and love it. Really undervalued gem.
>>743396648I really expected poe 1 and 2 to be worthy of bg. It's not half of it and mostly ruined by writing and other lame stuff, like chase statue, fin.
>>743349916>Cunny RPGName 3
>>743399281Combat in Banquet is insanely unique, it's basically a team based Vagrant Story that traded body part damage for grapples, ultimates and team actions.There are bards of several varieties, there are casters (they even have some utility spells, like creating vine platforms to access certain places), there are several types of ranged and melee builds all with their gimmicks (for example whips look underwhelming but they have an ability to paralyze on a rally attack).Balance was all sorts of fucked when i played though - action time was tied to your weapon type for example so for your caster you want the lightest 1h sword you can find, you can also leech magic points from your own bard's summons giving you effectively infinite mana, so for my leader i ended up making a caster dude who did nothing but shit out spells and grapple enemies so the rest of the team could hit them easier.Hell there's even a cool enchantment system with tons of unique effects but you really need to invest into it if you want to use it. It even enables monk builds.
>>743400667Was vs really an inspiration for it?>investNG+? How much time or how many playthroughs do you have? What does the legendary 1300 hours, don't recommend say about banquet?>4 niggas in a rowCan you play with three? Faster xp or whatever.
>>743400667Apparently the whole pause > dome appears > pick target > shoot > keep moving thing is taken from Parasite Eve.
>>743401739Parasite Eve was pretty much the first iteration of the system yeahYou could argue that FF7 remakes use a heavily modified version of it that lost the attack dome but retained the combat pause, break arts and magic.
>>743374764Love the music. After bg3 I won't touch another larian game though.
>>743401906Is that so?
>>743401906What was the first system with break, pe or vs? Quick question, why can't se create good games anymore, back then, they rocked 2 good games a year. Now they can't rock 1 good game in a decade.
>>743382096you do you, but anime portraits just clash with everything in the game
>>743349916I've never played a Baldur's Gate game before.
>>743353523Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. Pick a Bloodrager, it's literally a Barbarian+Sorcerer combo class where raging instantly applies magic effects to yourself and you can still cast while raging.BG3 no doubt has competent multiclass builds combining Barbarian with some caster, but I didn't try any myself.If you're ok with ARPGs (you did mention TES) then the recent Gothic Remake will let you play a spellsword character pretty much no matter which camp you decide to join (Templar to be one from the start, the others to unlock magic later).
>>743404564It's a really interesting experience if you play it with a roleplaying mindset. The first one closely resembles a real 80s/90s d&d experience. The enhanced editions do a good job explaining the few concepts that might confuse you, such as THAC0 (chance to hit armor class 0).
>>743353523Path of Achra
>>743373580Oh hey, I had my eye on that one. It does look very unique.
The bump limit has been reached!
>>7433927262 is much better in the writing and atmosphere and about the same in gameplay.But 3 isn't split in half like 2 is so I guess that's a point to 3 as well.
>>743349916ps2 rock band guitar hero algorithm
>>743350821It's not about the story.
>>743387319Nine Blades is betterhttps://youtu.be/JVGmdXONJKg
