why is there no scoreboard? It's the most evident way to show who was a deadweight
Because of people like you :3
>>743360450it was mainly thatI just run the mod that adds it back so i can see if the build im using works well but people kept using scoreboard to tell other players they were trash too much in VT so fatshark just never bothered to implement itnot sure if its accurate now since i know some builds focused on team support are needed in havoc, like bubble psyker
This is the most brain dead game I played yet. No idea what's going on in a mission, just mindlessly melee-ing hordes and following the linear map design until a boss shows up. I think this game is not for me, despite a fan of the w40k universe.
>why didn't the developers enable my toxicity?It's a mystery
>>743361961Genuinely progress is 99% of the game. Sometimes it will hit you with a minigame. Learn the actual map names and you'll understand more. For instance.>Hab DreykoThis is the tree level. Very deadly.>Clandestium GlorianaThis is probably the level with the most soul and is the Moebian Steel level with the foundryplex and Swagger>Rolling SteelTrain>No Man's LandTrenchesOnce you learn this you will know "what the fuck is going on."
>>743361961higher and higher difficulty modifiers until the game feels like cock and ball torture is the main progression in this gameonce the difficulty gets high enough you're gonna have to know what's going on
>>743360450its a coop game not a versus game>>743361961hop into havocs and get back
>>743360450so that you may still believe it's not you
>>743360450That's how you ruin a fun game fagass
>>743362702exactly and in a team everyone should pull their weight rather than be some stupid faggot who can barely move
Greatsword melee focus psyker is so fucking fun to play. Just surf the warp perils and chop up every motherfucker that dares to stand in front of you.
>>743362975Dudes start chasing green circles instead of doing the actual needed dirty work and then pick someone about halfway through the campaign to moan at every 2 minutes. I've seen it happen plenty in VT. Good riddance
>>743362975It encourages playing in whatever way gives a high score, which might not actually be the optimal way to play depending on the situation. People also become more competitive when someone keeps score, and you don't want that mentality in a coop game. Of course, that would come down to how they'd make the scoreboard
OP woke up and decided to be the biggest pile of shit of the day
>>743360450>NOOO WHY WON'T THIS GAME PANDER TO MY RETAREDED EGOISTIC NEED FOR DICK MEASURING!!!Lol, lmao even.
>>743363052>>743363105if someone got a green circle then by default he put in work instead of lollygagging no one gets high DPS and revives by accident you're just shit and should stick to single player games
but is darktide /v/-approved?
>>743363162A green circle?
>>743361961t. stuck on malice
>>743363162i have cata and havoc 40 clears. literally done everything short of modded difficulties. fuck the scoreboard>>743363243little marker on the vermintide scoreboard indicating you are doing the best at a particular thing like elite kills, damage etc
>>743363186>Data Interference playsYes
>>743363162If there was a scoreboard for suppression, then that might not accurately show whether or not the suppression was useful in a given situation. Two players could do the same suppression damage, but one of them might just have suppressed units that were no threat or done it in a situation where it made no difference at all. The scoreboard can't actually show whether or not what you did mattered. A scoreboard can just end up being filled with number values that don't account for context
Are you the same tryhards who want scoreboards for monster hunter? Fuck off losers
>>743363637>I-I'm just making space for my teamyou know what else makes space? killing the mobs
>>743364045Yeah, that's one of the ways to do. Do you disagree with my previous post about context?
>>743360450you can mod the hell out of this game even a proper scoreboard and takes two clicks
>>743360450VT2 has a scoreboard by default, and all it did was foster a culture of people who pad their stats at the expense of the team, and harass others for petty bullshit.I have never understood the mindset of being THAT competitive in a fundementally cooperative game.Like, if you don't want to play with strangers and experience the ups and downs that come with varying skill levels, go find a full stack to play with.How Darktide does it is fine. The scoreboard is there for those who want to mod it in, but it's healthier for the game if it's not there by default.
>>743360450>who was a deadweightMe, it was me. What are you gonna do with it, timmy?
>>743360450Kill count isn't a meaningful tracker of performance
>>743360450you don't have friends and no one will come to your side in your hour of need
>>743364470Yeah it wouldn't mean anything>Sprays all his ammo wastefully into every pack of gribblies he sees "Wow I've got so many more kills than the rest of you, I must really be carrying this team"
>>743364456Any non-casual knew the most important stat and the one most indicative of skill was damage taken, followed by specials killed. As long as you clearly weren't just walking around blocking all the time, damage done and kills (non-specials) didn't mean much.Damage taken shows if you can actually play the game properly.Specials killed shows off your reflexes, aim and awareness.Most other things are build dependent and therefore no one cared.I had 1k+ hours in VT1+2 qnd literally never saw anyone complain about circle chasing in-game. I saw someone insult me over using the 1h sword on the elf, I saw a couple of people squabble over weapons chosen, I saw maybe 5 to 10 people rage, have melt downs or quit over friendly fire. Saw maybe two occassions of someone just launching into an attack on another for perceived bad play.Never saw green circles mentioned once.Bring back scoreboards. Those who dislike it only do so because it exposes them.>but it should show more statsFine. The mod in DT does anyway and it was great until I stopped playing over them releasing Hive Scum as a clear FU to their fanbase.
>>743364470what else is? It's a horde shooter
game is so fucking ugly and soullessevery fucking map is a samey gray corridorcharacters are extremely forgettablenew characters are worst classes they could ever pick
>>743364972It's a coop game
>>743364972Where the real difficulties revolve around efficiently managing, playing around and eliminating special enemies that aren't part of the hordes
>>743363052I don't want scoreboard because it makes shitters who can't solo seethe, but the reasoning being>Dudes start chasing green circles instead of doing the actual needed dirty workis very funny when about 60% of the penances are like>play in a shitty way or with a fucked up build and rub your tummy and pat your head for 20 minutes
>>743364976I got the impression that FatShark disliked their playerbase and wanted to see what they could get away despite knowing it was not what the players wanted, and after the mockery that was Hive Scum; I'd had enough.Space Marine 2 has issues but you can tell that Saber actually care and want to please their playerbase. I mostly play that now. Also that has a scoreboard and just as with VT1+2, I've never even seen it mentioned in-game.
>>743365061and? What is your metric for a good teammate, how many wholesome chimichungus messages he posted in text chat?
>>743364920>Those who dislike it only do so because it exposes them.You're illuminating one of my points. You just wanna feel justified in flaming people because you're better than the average pubbie but not good enough or too antisocial to rock in a premade with the autists who play modded catatwitch/havoc 40/etc.Try taking stuff less seriously and you'll have more fun. Play an actual competitive game if you want to be competitive.
>>743360450usually, the one who obsessed with the scoreboard is the biggest deadweight, always rush ahead for kill, leave the team to cover their mistake
>>743364972the goal is to make it to the end of the level with the objectives complete.If you do the auspex or move canisters, you aren't stacking bodiesIf you're killing crushers and bulwarks you're killing slower than the guy stacking up poxwalkersif you're applying brittleness or bleeds to enemies and someone else gets last hit they get creditkilling enemies or patrols that aren't in the way and thus wouldn't matter to artificially pad stats can happenetcif you're measuring by kc you will not have an accurate assessment of a player's contribution to the success of the mission.
>>743365271Revives, sharing of resources, doing objectives, suppression damage where it counts, not wasting time on shit like enemies that can be safely ignored, avoiding getting bogged down in constant spawns, preventing other players from taking damage, pinging special mobs. Things of that nature
>>743365687which is why vermintide also has separate tab for damage dealt and elites killed so no fag can pretend he was doing more than he actually did
>>743364976t. played a single match in uprising in 2023 and haunts every thread he's come across since
>>743365490I never flamed anyone and actively like carrying bad players. I just like to see my stats at the end. I like to try to get those 0 damage taken runs while still being competitive or even leading in special kills and damage done. I like to be the hero and I often am in these sorts of games.The funny thing is the few times I've had the misfortune to play with known anti-scoreboard types from the forums, they are actually the people who complain about others in chat, whereas people like me rarely type anything unless someone has a genuine question.Just like with the 'kind hearted tolerant left' who in reality are a bunch of cruel, spiteful and vocally rude harpies; the anti-scoreboard types seem to be the same, while those who care about stats tend to actually be pretty chill and open to carrying and helping new players.
The scoreboard is detrimental for noobs because it makes them think they are playing good when they are not. Getting the most kills doesn't mean you are playing well if you are always the first one to go down when shit hits the fan. It takes your attention away from the fact that you are getting carried
>>743364972For example: If I dash in to a horde of shooters to draw aggro and make them put their guns away there's no on paper metric for how that helped the team, but the guy who then starts picking them off from range while I keep them busy is improving his kill and damage stats despite me doing the harder work. I think it's stupid to make stuff like that a point of contention when it's supposed to be a co-operative game where you and your fellow players are working together as buddies
>>743363162I would kill to have a good IB on my team. The amount of cocky shades killing everything in their path to suddenly be demolished because of getting surrounded by a massive wave is too damn high. But hey, their "DPS" has a green bubble.
>>743365803what about objectives done?what if people are padding their damage done by overkilling enemies?are disablers more important?what about boss damage?how do you track the impact of maintaining coherency?what about the efficient use of grenades/ammo?before you know it the scoreboard has 2 dozen separate stats you need to assess impact.and all of this is wasted because you aren't even really using this to review your gameplay (which would be better done through video review) and figure out what you could do better, you just want a number you can look at so you can call your teammate a nigger.
>>743360450All difficulty except havoc 40 doesn't even need a brain to clear. I’ve literally been duoing auric with my wife for long time since most randoms are pure fucking retardsIn havoc 40, a actually good team should have each member fulfill their own role, like vet get the most expert and elite kills, psyker most horde kills. Those are few meaningful stats on the scoreboardOnly a bunch of random faggots with zero ability of teamwork would need to compete on the scoreboardt. the person who rejected ur havoc application
>>743364972Specials KilledElites KilledDamage TakenRevives / Saves / Rescues
>>743365989Damage taken is the most important stat followed by specials killed and everyone but the most casual of casuals knew that. It's so annoying seeing people like you flat out distort reality to push your preference. The same as the gurlgamers at FatShark complaining about toxicity when the community in VT1+2 and DT are all great. In fact barely anyone says anything beyond maybe hi, heal and gg; and of the few who do most are then RPing and are great to have around.You lying gits are so annoying.
>>743365865>I just like to see my stats at the end. I like to try to get those 0 damage taken runs while still being competitive or even leading in special kills and damage done. I like to be the hero and I often am in these sorts of games.Then mod the scoreboard in and shut up. I'd be on your side if it was explicitly forbidden as I'm generally pro-scoreboard/pro-parser. But how it is now is fine.
>>743366023In reality when you run into melee with a grop of gunners or shotgunners you kill them all in 1 or 2 hits and the killfeed has 7-12 gunner or shotgunner killed by you. This goes for all classes.You people making these arguments are either deceitful or haven't actually played the game.
>>743366426I did until they released Hive Scum and decided to stop supporting a studio that clearly hates its playerbase.Now I'm just here to dogpile on about their failures and point out the lies and distortions of white knights.
>>743365246>as veteran, complete a mission with zero ammo remaining and at least 90% accuracytheres so many ways this piece of shit can go wrong I don't know what they were thinking when they made itYou basically need a full pre-made for it since if you fill with bots they're always level 1 veterans that stick to your ass like glue, so if an elite dies as the mission ends you get a bullet slipped into your pocket and fail the penance.What's even more ridiculous is that it used to be 100% accuracy. You basically just bring a double barrel shotgun and blast it into poxwalker hordes
How do I acquire some drips for the totally not sister of battle? The prisoner garb is retarded.
>>743366954you like play the game and stuff
>>743366285all of which are shown in vermintide
>>743366291Why are you talking about something completely different than what was in the post you are replying to?
>>743364972Applying Brittleness wont reflect in there
Why is there such a big difference between heresy and damnation? I can sleepwalk through heresy but in damnation if I have one bad teammate, it's basically over. I'm not good enough yet to carry the team by myself on that difficulity level.
>>743370514bad game design wouldn't worry about it.
>>743370514Just started playing this a few days ago as Zealot and feel the same way from jumping to Heresy from Malice. Damn I must suck
>>743363186No, all slophammer games are shit and only liked by /tg/ secondaries that come here to escape their board
>>743370514>>743370865It's going to be like that all the way up.Every step.
>>743361961i am at the point where i have done everything there is to do and it didnt take that long, i have evert base game class on max level, completed the "campaign" if you can even call it that, shit has almost 0 plot and the final mission is just a big nothing burger, it was fun for a bit, but after 80 hours its getting pretty stale
>>743360450There are obvious retards in this game that are so bad it would probably make them quit once they see their score. It indirectly helps player retention by giving the retarded npc gamerdads the illusion that they are contributing
>>743361961It's about the gameplay. You click on head or master melee combat to where you never get hit. Just the same reason why people play CS:GO, Valorant, etc for thousands and thousands of hours with the same map over and over again.
>>743362091I'd argue that being able to contribute 90% less then the player next to you and not even know it, therefore lacking any onus to improve, is way more toxic than someone finding out that he's contributing literally 10x more than the guy next to him.
>>743371917Offensive name. Reported to FS. Catfish will be banning you soon.
>>743366218is there any actual reason to even do havoc? I haven't touched it since dealing with party finder is horseshit
>>743360450it reinforces those negative icky feelings, plus they've been on extended vacation for half a decade.
>>743373216Bragging rights. Clearing H40 lets you dab on the retards who are lesser than you.
>>743373685but I don't care about that
>>743373781Then don't do havocs.
>Keep blowing 50k because I can't settle on a Skitarii voice I didn't think giving the option to alter the voice would make this so much more difficult.
>>743360450I mean, every time i see a non survivor/demo/shout vet i know they are a dead weight. Dont need a scoreboard mod for that.
>>743370903>No, all slophammer games are shitHow so?
>>743363186darktide is shit. get VT2 instead. >>743370903DoW1 is bad to you?
>>743360450because it's a team game and you're supposed to work WITH your team, not against themthe ogryn holding down the frontline and aggro all game is helping you tremendously but won't show up on the scoreboard
>>743374259i tried my best to get him to sound like the cybernetic ghost of christmas past>40 THOUSAND YEARS AGO BEFORE HAMMERS WERE USED IN WAR
>>743375840we both know that's not the reason they didn't include it.
>>743375373Because I say so.
>>743375892What personality? They all kind of sound the same besides the reverent.
>>743375946fuck off faggot I made my point don't you dare insinuate I meant anything but what I typed
>>743360450>It's the most evident way to show who was a deadweightOk and then what?The scoreboard is only visible at the end of the game.Why are you gonna do in those 15 seconds you have before you get sent back to the cuckshed\hud?Huh?>>743361961Play Vermintide, it's infinitely better.
>>743376047it's either the reverant or the exterminator i don't rememebr
>>743376114I'm pretty sure the (shit) CMs even stated they didn't add score cards at the end to "avoid toxicity" in the multiplayer scene.
>>743362091it's important to have some kind of comparison so that you can look at your build and performance and see if they need to improve
>>743360450>who was a deadweightIf you’re posting on /v/ odds are that’s you.
>>743376128>Ok and then what?then you don't keep playing with retarded shitters when you have the receipts to back it.
>>743376231That's exactly what I was getting at in my post, not my fault you have the reading comprehension of a gnat
>>743360450>pick darktide back up>"Hey this is pretty fun, why did I drop it?">die instantly to barrel>team wipes>...
>>743376415be a retard somewhere else. this was never an issue in their other games.
>>743376340How, huh?Darktide is not p2p, blocking people only hides their chats.
>>743376547bot post
>>743376456owned
>>743376231They didn't.Circlechasing in Vermintide is a game-breaking issue, no one gives a shit about the end scoreboard because ratchads are not 12yo 40kids obsessed with Starship Troopers copycat #3858283489140.They chose not to add scoreboards to Darktide in the vapid hope that people would play the game to have fun, not to statpad their imaginary numbers.People refusing to use Medicae because of the defense score added by that scoreboard mod are one among many reasons that made me quit the game permanently.40keks are just mentally ill troons, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>743360450Because you suck cock by choice.
>>743376456I purposely ignite barrels just to fuck with people >:)
>>743376019Profound
>>743370514dont queue if youre not near level 30. it will place similarly leveled teammates on your team and they will not be able to beat it
>>743360450because in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium we dont have time for that kind of toxicity OKAY?!
>>743361961You just described all group vs horde games like Vermintide and Left4Dead
>>743376543Brown hands typed this post.
>>743376718crazy how they managed that in VT2.
>>743371917You're playing a fucking coop game. If you get to the end of the mission then that's all that matters.God faggots like you are so insufferable. Too fucking retarded and shit to do anything competitive IRL, so then you go shit up the gaming space instead
>>743360450>horde mode>skitarii>drone flamer no longer consumes grenades and has infinite usesThey should add the traits from that mode to aurics, I hit 40 once and then never bothered with it again because it just becomes anti fun, if there was bullshit abilities to match the games bullshit and it reset every week I would love that, like youre build resets if you down rank and you have to try and make shit work. I want difficulty but I also want an actually reason to progress. the difficulty.
>>743378338You're the type of fag I'd boot at the end of a mission.
>>743371917>I'd argue that being able to contribute 90% less then the player next to you and not even know it, therefore lacking any onus to improveThis sounds very unlikely and if somebody is actually doing that badly then they must certainly feel extreme struggle through their gameplay, you can't suck that badly and feel like you're doing fine.
I don't hate the game but the choice to have the enemies be the same race as the player makes the readability so much fucking worse than it already is.
>>743360450If the team wins everyone wins, if the team loses everyone lose. End of.
Post-game stats make some kind of sense in L4D because every survivor can do the same things even then it's not entirely true. When a psygger gets x1.5 more """performance""" scores than you, it tells nothing but the fact that fatshark love psyggers.
Shivs + needle gun + rage hivescum is the only fun way to play. Having infinite stam is nice
>>743379865>rageSorry m8, I'm forcing you to become addicted to my stimms so that when this is all over I can have more clients.
Coherency is a bad mechanic.
>sniper maelstrom>The mission will now take +30 extra minutes
>>743381439Skill issue
>>743360450Stay in L4D2 Versus Mode with all the ruskies and BRs.
0 new staves or ogrye weapons since launch btw lol
>>743382517Fuck you!
>>743361961Its always a pain in the ass to get into this type of game late because everyone else already knows how to speedrun the level and youre just desperately trying to justify your presence.
>>743366614The worst part is that at the time of release, scavenger was the ONLY aura they had, and there wasn't any cooldown for it either. The sole feasible way of completing it was using a revolver and hoping like fuck a special didn't turn up at the last minute, with the one saving grace being that power sword was retardedly OP at launch.
>>743373685I've seen too many retards with the title to believe that. It's almost as worthless as the Maelstrom survivor one.
>>743378410Flamer skull is just dogshit in general, it needs massive buffs to be worth a talent point or stealing grenades from someone who uses it better like HIV cum
>>743384821Yea, it needs buffed, make it unlimited and keep it the same as it is, it is not strong enough to warrant consuming a grenade, and it means you are torn between using the skulls for their actual useful purpose of reviving mid combat and objectives, or this pitiful attack. I use it anyway because I have over 1k hours in the game and dont care about "optimal builds" anymore.
>>743376128>Play Vermintide, it's infinitely better.LOLVermintide is fucking worthless, you shit niggerIt's boring, it's ugly, it's annoying with the shitnigger rats spawning behind you to take out 40-60 hp per attack with no time to turn around and blockfucking kill every vermintide nigger, not a hard task seeing as there's like 1000 niggers (mostly from russia) playing this fucking dogshit joke of a gamejust close the fucking servers already, nigger retard swegroids from fatshart, why bother
>Offworld Auspex starts playing
luv vermintidefuak darkshite
>>743385461oho someone is having a melty
>>743370514Damnation is the hardest difficulty
>>743387615>both sloptides>Path of Exile>PUBG>Borderlands>Diablo 4>ME Demake Edition>V Rising>some idleshitConsider killing yourself
>>743385461skill issue.guess which game is getting substantially more updates, kek.
>>743387615>citadel cata framebasically wearing a shitter badge
>>743385461I haven't played Vermintide in a long while but it was at least better than Darktide.If you think Darktide is a good game, any other game you think is good is shit by proxy now.Absolute dogshit game that makes me wish harder for Sweden to be nuked.
>>743376256Your build and performance means next to fuck all because you're not teaming up with people of the same class, much less people running a more optimized version of your build.Unless you're just playing with a static group, all after action reports will always wildly vary and therefore provide unusable data on whether or not you need improving.
>>743388213shut the frick up, you dumb n word
There is just something about beheading Stormvermin that Darktide does quite manage to give me.Also fuck the small shield niggers in Darktide.
>>743392839>Also fuck the small shield niggers in Darktide.Just knock em down bro.
>>743360450i just wanna see how many dudes i clicked on, it's not even about comparing myself to othersi just want a general accuracy, headshot, and special kill countpeople who are dogshit are known because they play like dogshit, i don't need a scoreboard to tell me that the guy going down 5 times in uprising is doing bad
>>743392885 50% weakspot damage resistance on carapace trash is just gay. I'd rather get gaped by Crushers.
>>743385461an audio cue plays if a rat is about to hit you in the back, stop being deaf
>>743360754>make a busted ass dogshit game with dogshit balancing>hide the scoreboard so people can't see with their eyeballs that the balance is completely fuckedsame reason that some guns have 500 ammo but use 10 each time you pull the fucking trigger, fatshark are a bunch of niggers who can't balance or make rational design choices
I wish they would add body types. And i mean REAL body types. Everyone is skinny fat with huge torso, it looks really bad, especially on HS whose outfits actually show the body.
>>743360450You dont need a scoreboard to tell if someone needs to go back to Heresy and learn how to push, block, dodge, slide and sprint. Scoreboard was fun with friends in VT2, but useless with randoms. I too can hold my Frag grenade until fifty shotgunners spawn at once to pad my stats. You are looking for some way to feel justified talking down to people who didnt score well in a RANDOM element game focused on COOP. Fuck off and go post Steam charts or something.
>>743370514Next diff tier is always a cold shower. Get back in there until you do it in your sleep. Then try Auric.
>>743382517Ogryn got pickaxes and marksman stubbers.
>>743360450>no scoreboardThere is. There are actually 10+ different scoreboards for the game. You just need to install them. I have exactly 149 mods for Darktide and they all run flawlessly. Modding is super standardized and mature. There are basically zero mod conflicts and with the exception of the Mod Framework (requires a manual install, drag/drop/run batch file) everything can be managed via Vortex. For the scoreboard itself I keep it simple with the OG: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22 and a few plugins. But there are some to make it look like vermintide, some that save space, etc. There is even a data analytics mod so you can track your performance in extreme detail every second of the game on a per-map/per-build/per-loadout basis so you can more easily min-max (if the test chamber isn't enough for you at least).Exceptional game. It finally hit 1.0 (feature complete) with the Skitarii update. You can easily craft an endgame god-roll build in a week of casually enjoying the game (brand new character) these days. No grinding/gambling for months on end to complete a single perfect weapon anymore.
I've been enjoying it since it was free, went ahead and got the DLC classes. I prefer this to Space Marine 2
>>743397339wut mods yu use?
>>743397652Not really sure how to export the list with links but here is it from my load order json: https://pastebin.com/raw/br1v7bNVYou can also just use this turbo-sperg's mod collection. They keep it up-to-date, have detailed change logs, suggestions on when to use what mod, and if there are any known issues/conflicts when you choose to install them via vortext: https://www.nexusmods.com/games/warhammer40kdarktide/collections/3l2bwi
>>743385461Vermintide 2 is excellent. I prefer Darktide (guns/style/music are all peak imo) but it took until very recently for it to be 30% as content rich as Vermintide 2. They are functionally identical games. If you're getting hit from behind you are deaf. If you're deaf there are mods for you to add indicators for both games (and both games function identically for combat).
one thing I'm finding weird is how there's lorefags concerned with the sense of power scaling, like damn put in everything but Space Marines since they got a whole ass game already
>>743382517Ogryn is suffering. Weakest class and gets the least attention. I feel for you big dumb retards. But Swedes are the laziest people in all of the developed world.
Hive Scum have terrible fashion
>>743378338>If you get to the end of the mission then that's all that matters.Yes, and making it far more difficult to get there for everybody else is toxic
>Want my hivescum to look like Keith Flint from the Firestarter video >The hairstyle is restricted to Psykers Fucking Fatshit.
>>743398135>one thing I'm finding weird is how there's lorefags concerned with the sense of power scaling, like damn put in everything but Space Marines since they got a whole ass game alreadyThey are concern trolls at best and at worst have no fucking idea what they're talking about. The lore supports everything in the game. Fatshark is WAY too concerned with the lore. That is allegedly why it took them so long to produce Skitarii despite there being numerous ways to write them in. I think that was just an excuse to be lazy though. Hopefully we get a Death Cultist next (Ecclesiarch) and primarily the imperial cult so we can get digi-weapons, whips, and so on. Repentia (Sisters of Battle) would be easy to add as well.There are numerous in-lore cases where a single guardsman or group of guardsmen have taken out space marines. There are also people like Shas'la T'au Kais (Tau) who killed Severus, destroyed a titan, and even the greater demon that possessed Severus all by himself (along with a shitload of other humans). The lore is all over the place and everything the Darktide characters do is extremely grounded in the setting. Anyone who suggests otherwise is a plebbitor. Can confidently say that as a autist who thoroughly enjoys Warhammer 40k books, even the absolutely awful ones like "I am Slaughter"
>>743398921>Can confidently say that as a autist who thoroughly enjoys Warhammer 40k booksCould've opened up with that to warn everyone you're a retard
>>743398921Zealot's skill tree already has branches that are Repentia (middle) and DCA (right) themed.
>>743360450I enjoy the 1 to 30 experience, but the end game (havoc/auric grinding) doesn't justify itself. The lack of cosmetics and cosmetic choices also kills a lot of fun of playing, which is where SM2 does a lot better at least in variety even if the system is equally dogshit (achievements in 2026 really?).Classes are horribly designed though, they jump from absolutely brain dead (Arbiter) to extreme micromanagement (Skit).
>>743398823I use that hair style on my Psycher. It is stupid how restrictive customization is in this game. They sold us on custom characters to get out of rich voice lines from Vermintide with the promise of choice but we got almost nothing and kept the lack of voice lines. >>743399004>remarks about lore>wtf you read?What is the purpose of your comment then? Even in tabletop rules Darktide is plenty accurate. Nigger.>>743399114Yep I'm aware. Ideally they go imperial cult instead. But people want a sister and it could be focused around auras or some shit and let you reclaim your armor bit-by-bit as you level up. They've also left a mountain of awesome weapons from Repentia open for a dedicated class like: neural whips, flails, power halberd, power blades, melta weapons, and staffs.
Luv me skittles, luv me arc maul, luv me arc rifle, 'ate hereteks. Simple as.
>>743398921my wish list for characters are a playable Eldar, and any Adepta Sororitas
>>743399276>they jump from absolutely brain dead (Arbiter) to extreme micromanagement (Skit).Sounds like a good thing to me man, something for everyone
>>743399419It should be that each class has that, instead of whole classes being limited to one playstyle. If you like Arbiter, but want depth, there is none. Its a design flaw.
>>743399352>EldarNever happening. I wish they would make a game with Xenos though. Tau, Kroot, Eldar, Necron, Tyranids, Kin (squats), etc. Pretty bored of playing imperium in every goddamn 40k game. >SororitasPossible but only as Repentia based on how fatshart is handling mechanicus.
>>743360450It always makes me laugh when someone who plays fatshark games acts like they are skilled individuals and complain about carrying dead weight.Shut the fuck up you dirty casual, either go play a real pvp game or find some people with the same mentality as you so you can play together and suck each other off while under the delusion that you are any good at games while playing one with a very low skill ceiling.
>>743360450Seeing how bad they are ENRAGES shitters.>N-No I was... I was making space for my team! I was suppressing the shooters, honest..!There are literally two things you do in this game: move forward and kill enemies. Without a scoreboard they'll genuinely believe they kicked ass every round and any death streak they went on is just due to bad RNG.
>>743399295Tableslop rules are innacurate themselves
There's only one metric on the scoreboard that anyone should care about.>damage taken
>>743399479both are possible and you can't convince me otherwise
>>743385461>just close the fucking servers alreadyyeah close those p2p servers!why are darkniggers so brown and retarded?
>its another thread where non-h40 players think they have a right to opinion on game balanceshameful really
>>743361961>This is the most brain dead game I played yet.No way, too many noobs on the higher difficulties looking to get carried.
I understand if stats don't show in public games but in private it would be nice to have the option. None of my friends are assholes.
>>743360450>add scoreboard>apparently your bubble psyker who has spent half the game doing the objective and the other half picking you up because no one else will fucking do it is useless unlike you the hivescum who went down 8 fucking times despite having the best fucking dodge in the game>>743366206Has it right.
>>743399671this board is horrible at video games, dont expect competency from them, they wanted margit nerfed when er released lmao
>>743399585I don't really care either way. There are plenty of ab-humans they could add though. Catgirls, shark girls, longshanks (they look eldar-ish), ape-people, etc. I'd like to see that in Darktide. There are a few instances of the Imperium keeping company with Eldar but it is rare and no way they'd tolerate their presence in the setting unfortunately. Just not happening. They're kinda boring outside of the Exodites imo. The harlequins can be cool sometimes. I'd play the hell of an exodite game. Riding a dinosaur, shooting lasers and tossing shuriken.
>>743391028Not vermintide2 that's for certain. Enjoy buying that dlc faction and paying for the return to ubersteik mission pack. Even if darktide might have been shitty at launch but the devs are trying to fix their fuckups, where as they added a busted versus mode for vermintide also darktide the skill trees are significantly better than vermintide2 and generally more fast paced gameplay at auricI say this as a person who enjoys both games. Darktide is better than vermintide2 in its current state
>>743399478>what if every class had no identity?Nah man I'm fine with the big brain techno class being a little bit more complicated than the dumb fuck me smash ogryn class
>>743399914Corsairs are a thing and, yeah fuck it just add them because they've never been represented outside of strategy games
>>743360450As if a scoreboard is this games problem rather than its puddle deep mechanics and content
>>743400084It is quite literally the opposite, all classes have one identity instead of multiple. You missed the point.
>>743400087Going that route also opens up more weapon options as corsairs draw from craftworlders and commorites.
>>743393107>Getting killed by crushersLiterally how? Their attack is telegraphed so long and they take much less effort to kill than the small shield guys on sheer number of hits
I have an addiction of shooting at crowds, anyone else?
>>743400196Sometimes the game decides you're going to lose and spawns 20 of them right behind you.
>>743400151Arby has>crowd controller>melee/shotgun hybrid>houndmasterBut they all fit into his identity as a walking tank, a playstyle which is naturally less complicated than glass cannon archetypes. Why, what would YOU do to create a complicated archetype for Arby? Keep in mind that talent trees are open so there's nothing stopping you from just taking the talents that make him easy, so whatever this playstyle is it needs 30 points of investment to even work.>>743400196>Literally how?He's probably playing havocs or some shit and not Damnation
>>743400318Same, it's why gun lugger is my favorite branch of the ogryn skill tree. You get burst limiter override, you get rock, that's all I need.
>>743400369Nigga turn around, I understand the big group of crushers are scary but throw a krak grenade/bazooka or stagger them repeatedly until they die. There is 0 excuse to lose to crushers, 20 ragers, maybe since they bypass toughness but not crushers
>>743399276Skitarii being insane micromanagement? We playing the same game? I just click heads and press my ability occasionally.
I boughted the game on the summer sale, becoming a walking blender with transonics and going BRRRRRRTTTTTT with the highest rpm infantry auto on skitty combat doctrine is fun.I should get to levelcap before going to difficulty 4 yea?Also why do some people itt seem to hate hive scum so much?The inquisition pressing local gangoons into service seems on brand for the setting, why is the class a "betrayal to the playerbase"?
>>743400318shooting crowds is way more fun than meleeing them, I'm playing a 40k game not WHF
>>743400423>all classes have one identity and no depth or choice >agreesThanks I guess, not sure why you got mad over it
>>743400535Do higher dif as you unlock it. Nothing is hard in this game except havoc +20.
>>743400553>three choices>no choiceArbites are walking tanks man, that's just what they are in the setting, that's their identity. You want to make one that's a glass cannon assassin? It's not an arbites any more
>>743400657One choice, braindead. Again you're just missing the point while also agreeing.
>>743400535As you unlock a new difficulty you should ideally immediately switch to it. Player quality is extremely low until you get into the highest base difficulty.
>>743400657Absolutely cope post all the dlc classes are barebones as fuck compared to base keep getting scammed lmao
>>743400680three different choices of braindeadif you don't want to do arbities things, pick a different class
>>743400196>mfw dodging right into or another player inadvertently lures the crusher overhead
>>743400790Again, you're just agreeing its badly designed. But thanks anon I didnt need the support.
>bad design is when the classes are different
>>743363896You know you can just play on easymode, right? Instead of being a piec eof shit and joining super ultra mega hard difficulty only to get filtered by your own terrible skill at anything at all in this world.
>>743360450>promised classes would be free>charges for themThe most cucked player base in the PvE market
>>743383052This
>>743399480I'm good at real pvp games too
>>743400151>all classes have one identity instead of multipleHow in the hell can you say that with a straight face when skitarii actives make him either a close range elite eraser, AoE debuffer, or long range dps; and his blitzes give him either dps/crowd control, dps/support, or self serving defense.
>>743401629what is the utility build for Skitarii?
>>743401827Heck if I know. I just pick talents that do things with electrifying stuff then go zap zap. It's been working so far.
>>743399295A SoB class will just get 4 unskippable +25 toughness nodes in her tree to represent her power armor, tied to her keystones and talents if needed.
love Darktide, hate Vermintide
>>743402224Kind of like how the skitarii has a bunch of plus toughness shit to represent the fact they're 51 percent cybernetics at the absolute minimum.
>>743373216>>743373685Do you have the havoc cosmetics unlocked? I haven't touched havoc since I just like doing the auric storm quickplay and having fun that way, but I would like some of the helmets they give.
>>743399295I prefer Darktide's approach, its your character not whatever gay shit they wrote up.
Havoc is fucking dogshit but I wish they would add another difficulty akin to havoc ~20 where hordes are thicc and they don't die in a blink of an eye.If they're gonna let these Mickey Mouse builds continue they might as well some more difficulties to even out the mindlessness.
>>743400043>Not vermintide2 that's for certainkekarooooooooooooo
>>743360450The game is unbalanced but tries to be fun with the classes
>>743400750You say this like he isnt the shitter bringing his team down
>>743364920based knower
>>743399295Next class is called "specialist" and is built around their ability being they pull out a different weapon for a limited time and has 3 archetypes. kasrkin, catachan and scout.Kasrkin pulls out a a las LMG that works like Bardins class in VT2 and focusing on sustained fire, when you start shooting it has a huge magazine, but if you stop shooting it eats a big chunk of the charge so if you start shooting you need to keep shooting, its a waste to single fire it, should be noted, you cant dodge when wielding it and can barely move. Its like the ogryns guns but you can aim it and it rechargesCatachan pulls out a knife, the move set is the interesting part. It makes your movements do attacks. When you sprint into small enemies it knocks them over, dodge sideways does a swipe attack, dodging backwards does a big swipe, pushing does shoulder check which launches you forward. The alternate attack is an uppercut which launches you upwards and when attacking again it lets you strike down, good for reaching heads of ogryns or elites in a crowd.Scout gets an anti material rifle focused on support. Alt fire changes ammo to shoot a beacon that marks enemies in the area with brittleness. Its like a giant bolt action rifle, firing it makes small enemies fall over if they are close to you when firing it but its single fire and it can have a max of 4 charges/shotsWhen making a background you pick which front you came from(which is your voice). New weapons are a revolver grenade launcher(which is a grenade slot weapon), C4, a scanner beacon, 2 versions of an autogun with an underbarrel shotgun on it, a melta(its basically just a giant shotgun functionally) a dual wield pistol and sword and dual wield pistol and axe.Youre not going to see this for another 2 years, skitarii was the end of this current development cycle
>>743360450>have 1200 hours in rat click>cant even break 20 hours in dorktidei dont know why its like this i feel like i should like it but every time i reinstall i do like 2 missions before getting bored and quitting again
>>743404556It's a casual game nigger. Chill out.
>>743392775nigger?
Its a weird design choice but shitters complained loud enough. At least there's a mod for that.
>>743405729YOU HAVE MADE A GRAMMATICAL ERROR
>>743399895Brought to you by AI
>>743405342sloptide is too much adhd sliding iframes. It is hard to enjoy it while suffering from carpal tunnel syndrome
>>743378132Left 4 dead was fun though
>>743366218>things that never happened
>>743365267Sm2 is haunted by the trash arkham asylum fight mechanics. Its the one thing I fuckin hate about the game.
>>743407592Brought to you by a straight white male with paint.net
>>743405123Proofs?
>>743360450Because Fatshark knows your average 40k fanboy couldn't handle being told they suck at bad games.
>>743370865It happens. You feel confident, you jump up, get your shit pushed in, train, get better and move up. It's a process of getting better and better and never resting on your laurels. Finding better gear is one thing, but optimizing them and figuring out how they work with your build is another. The game is a cliff that is full of failure but once you reach the top you're amazed how easy the lower levels become.
>>743400423>Two zealots and clearly neither had a flamer.Absolutely havoc 30 trench'd behavior.I wonder what the psyker was doing.
>enjoy going fast with zealot knife shanking people>they nerf it slightly>introduce hive scum with a build focused on going fastfuck you too fatshark
>>743370514I call this the difficulty paradox. The higher the difficulty, the easier the game. Because the best players are in the highest difficulties. The lower difficulties on the other hand will have wild spikes between being easy or insanely hard, depending on the balance by the dev and the incompetence of the players.
>>743363186Warhammer 40k isn't a video game franchise.
>>743410868Zealot is faster and duelling sword (good) still worksI do wish they'd buff the knife though
>>743410863Is the flamethrower actually useful in Darktide?
>>743382517objectively inorrect, ogryns got power mauls, pickaxes and single-barrel stubbers
>>743366206>>743399820 there's a counter for most things, including damage prevented, assists, support, objectives completed etcYou guys sound like retards who cope cutely about being bad at the game with "b-but I was supporting!"
vermintide has better banter between charactersand chaos wastes is a better minigame than what ever minigames darktide hasdarktide has better combat
>>743411130It's zealot's best ranged weapon in high intensity situations.It has infinite cleave and is especially effective against shit like those shielded chaos ogryn in the picture because it goes through their shields.Would've sweeped that ogryn blob away in no time.
>>743411130
>>743360450>needing a scoreboard to determine who the deadweight wasOP, you'll never guess what.
>>743411130Yes. Pair it with a Relic Blade and the holy push-back ability that restores toughness and it's a wonderful support build. Hoards melt and it kills elites and specials that get in your way.
>>743364972some absolute god tier ogryn can solo the entire part of the level where you have to put all the canisters in the machines to open the door.the whole time hes doing that he isnt killing a single enemy, but without him the team would be fucked.there's nothing on the scoreboard for that.
>>743411306What the fuck. Has Bardin's Drakegun been buffed to also melt chaos patrols?
>>743411526HL 17 36?
>>743360450dead weights make the game more challenging for me so I welcome all dead weights into my games because I'm not that bad at the game and can carry just fine.you just suck if you need a stacked team of sweats.
>>743411606No. Bardin is forever relegated to pink rat roasting duty.
>>743411385Scottish priest is the best voice for zealot. Change my mind.
>>743411825No. The female high gothic agitator is the best. She is very racist towards the psyker and the ogryn (in a cute way).
>>743411728nah thats the refinery one where you have to go around killing the eyes.im talking about the one where you all go down the lift and theres a big open room requiring canisters be put in the top generator looking things to open the door.I have 200 hours in this game and have no idea what any of the levels are called.
>>743360450It's the most best way.
which sword is the best one for Zealot?
>>743410863I have to take my best friend the revolver if I play zealotI can't trust randoms to pick off specials when shit hits the fan and it does decent enough against crushers/reapers if needed
>>743411901No, I know which one you meant, I just don't remember the name.>>743411868She's best with the German psyker girl because the German psyker girl points out she doesn't actually know high Gothic and it passes her off. Otherwise male Scottish is best.
>>743411901I think you're talking about the cooling cannisters mission. It takes place in a leman russ manufactorium.
>>743412034>Scottish male zealot is a known drunkard >Male Judge is dumb but honest, straight as an arrow and has a booming voice so he pulls a lot of chicks>Agitator is a holy LARPer who is there to condescend on lesser classesI think all the zealot voices are great. In fact, the voice acting is one of the few aspects in which DT is better than VT.
>>743411907Power sword. The only weakness of zealot is dealing high dps to armored mobs im0 and power sword alleviates that.
>>743366614IIRC I did it after a few tries using a shotgun right after release. Completely fucked if you try it with a rifle, though. I think the Psyker one to Brain Burst a monstrosity a million times is way shittier.
>>743411806Exactly. It's on you to clutch and give your audience of shitters something to strive for.
>>743411907out of the relic blades. I prefer mkIIBut in this age of vanguard spam Eviscerator has found new life, with Perfect Strike blows ignoring the shield.
>>743411992Specials are what the throwing knives are for.
>>743382517>or ogrye weaponsArguably he has gotten the most, they increased the ogryn arsenal since launch by a whopping 20% while the others selections have barely grown by 5%.
>>743412578Payers - 0% (the greatsword doesn't count since it was cut content)
>>743376340>I need a scoreboard to see who's dead weightYou're woefully inept if you can't spot shitters from their gameplay.
>>743413029Nah, they got the double barrel and the extra mark of revolver too.
If you can't carry the shitters then you're a shitter, shitter.
me big dumbme bring big gunme shoot enemies and killgunlugger ogryn is fun
>>743376456one less tranime fan
>>743412207Best part is at this point all the VT VAs are in DT. Some of them as playable character voices, some as mission control NPCs.
>>743360450Darktide is such a disappointing game.
>>743413335Extra Bolter MK as well.
>>743413451careful with that edge there
how do fuck am i supposed to kill things with arbitratori dont want to use the generic weapons
>>743413417Did you remember to bring your ragdoll maker?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxxa1wwwDx4
>>743413608Your mace?
>>743413778literally cant deal with specials or elites
>>743413608The exterminator shotgun or bolter. Besides the only point of arbites in havoc is to stagger and tank. It is not to dps.
>>743413608Bolt pis->i dont want to use the generic weaponsYour dog
>>743413823Bitch what. Post your build. Or I'll post mine. Its so piss easy to deal with anything you LITERALLY mash M1 and win.
>>743413608stagger things and then hit them
>>743414076Arbites niggers are so retarded that they can't even W + m1 to win
>>743360450How do I not get hit bros?
>>743415179Just bee yourself
>>743360450NOOOO YOU CANT SHOW MY CONTRIBUTION THATS RAPEff14 is the origin of this shit.
>be an ogryn>see an evil book glowing with sickly green chaos taint>evil book curses frens>destroy evil book>frens angry at ogryn>ogryn not understand why frens angry>AM----O!Rinse and repeat.
>>743360450it would just be the psyker spamming flame staff the entire game at the top of everything
>>743360450>OG party : veteran, zealot, psyker, ogryn>DLC party : skitaari, _____, hive scum, arbites What is going to be the last DLC class?
>>743417081Penitent engine
>>743411606bardin's role is suiciding into the patrol to fulfill his slayer oath
>>743363116t. Dead weight
>>743417081We still got three more classes from the Darktide Wrath and Glory module: Sister of Battle, Death Cult Assassin, and Eldar Corsair. Pay attention to what GW is going to be promoting around December.
>>743417081Squats. Oh, I'm sorry, "Kin".
>>743366218>with my wifeaw that's sweet, what's his name?
>>743417291Eldar probs if the new exodite models sell well.
>>743417081ultramarine aspirant
>>743417291>Sister of BattleSurely that overlaps too much with the Fanatic? Also too high a power level for the Darktide setting. Same deal with an Assassin or a Corsair.
I've never needed a scoreboard to know if my teammates were up to scratch or not on any difficulty/mission worth a damn>>743413608You just have to accept that unless you run bolter you can't kill crushers and maulers as fast as everyone else, and make up for it by being the last guy alive at all times
>>743360450exact same reason PC isn't allowed to disable crossplay
>>743417386You're not a "reject" anymore, pal. You're an agent of Inquisitor Grendyl's retinue. Besides, all the classes listed in the module are listed as tier two agents.
>>743417527XBOX players are some of the dumbest retards I've ever had the displeasure of playing with.
>>743410863I play the majority of my H40 runs as zealot and never run flamer. Its a shitter crutch and only used by idiots who also use Chorus because they cant contribute otherwise.Laspistol relic blade shroudfield supremacy.
>>743417674>shroudfieldYou did not beat H40
>>743417081A Blank's the most interesting choice.
>>743417386>Surely that overlaps too much with the Fanatic?It would, but they could do something like Sister of Battle Retributor and focus them around heavy weapons.Personally I'd rather have a Combat Servitor that plays similarly to Ogryn.
>>743417819Mate oneshotting captains never gets old
>>743413608shield maul or your exclusive maul, use the dmg on heavy attack high voltage and concussive
>>743364920Special killed is shitty because people can just do the last hit and get the credit, I'll always value damage more than just whoever can steal more last hits.
>>743418372Your problem for having a shitty build that doesn't cross breakpoints.
>>743418065Didn't know you could oneshot with the relic blade, probably one of the reasons you never see thunder hammers in havoksI love seeing any captain get a shield phase skipped no matter what, It's not the worst implimentation of health phases, but it brings up borderlands 3 memories alot, plus some of the captains are just plain nasty>>743418372elites* but yeah, like the psyker behind you spamming purgatus and only making a dent when headpop goes off
>>743418372This is the reason I find the Needle Pistol so unsatisfying. Yes, it is an anti-everything weapon, but it takes a second or two to kill and in that time some fag spamming LMB gets the kill after 98% of a special or elite's HP has been deleted by the toxin.
>>743417081We need a range only class with infinite ammo regardless of weapon used. Downside is he can't melee at all.
>>743360450>why is there no scoreboard?https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22
>>743418813Get a load of this heretic.
>>743361961malice and heresy difficulty are for leveling your talents, weapons and learning the movesetsthe game actually gets fun as the maps fill out with enemies and there's an infinite replay value because you get different enemy spawns each time which radically changes the way the combat plays out
>>743418372And damage taken is not universal considering there are builds, in both vt2 and darktide, in which you want to take damage.Every enemy needs to die and damage is how you achieve it, exception to this rule being if the objective is complete and you can just extract/elevator instead of staying to hit things. Assuming that wasn't being done, then damage done is far more valuable than "hey I got a bunch of last hits". Usually those 2 go together as by doing damage you naturally also get last hits, but if there is a disconnect, then damage done > last hits by far.
>>743418857I don't use mods as using mods in a multiplayer game is cheating.
>>743364920>damage takenwouldn't work as a metric on me as i used to deliberately take some hits to regen my ability faster, THP is going to deplete anyway so I might as well use it for something
>>743360450Most toxic coop game by miles. People just leave the game when the get downed most of the time at high difficulties.
>>743360450Yes, there should be a scoreboard like in Vermintide 2. If you disagree its because you are literally a tranny faggot loser.
>>743360450What's the point of a scoreboard outside of you sucking yourself off though? It's a co-op game.>It's the most evident way to show who was a deadweightUnless you're always playing strictly with your friends, what the fuck does that matter? With how many people play the odds of you teaming up again with the dead weight rando is slim as fuck.
>>743419378People leave to get replaced by a live bot who can then (provided the state of things after they left are now a more salvageable shitshow) revive whatever downed players are still in the game.
>>743419793It's just anons who want everyone in the lobby see the result of their kill-maxing. It's ironic as you can always tell who is dead weight, no need for a scoreboard for that.>psyker exomodes five times due to non existent quelling, constantly alone being oounced by dogs and mutants, rescued 3 times>I WISH THERE WAS AN END RESULT SCREEN WITH NUMBERS SO I COULD USE MY SUPERIOR INTELLECT TO SEE, WHO WAS THE SHITTER. NOW I JUST DON'T KNOW!
>>743417291>Darktide Wrath and Glory moduleIs it worth a read?
>>743361961the game was made incredibly easy and braindead to appeal to the warframe crowd because they paypig hard
>>743383052>>743421349>warframe crowdI hate this so much. There will be that one asshole with a max level character who would sprint across the map and delete everything while you're still trying to get your bearings.
low internet speed broshow are you coping with DT?I moved from big city to village and internet here is kind of meh 100-120 mbps topsI wonder if I should even bother reinstalling
>>743416651reddit post
>>743421590Are you retarded? ping is what you need to worry about, not download speed. Learn how MP games work.
>>743421868but the ping is determined by your download and upload speed in addition to server location(and connected nodes)?
>>743421956100 ping is not that bad
>>743421956>the ping is determined by your download and upload speedno.
>>743419283>wants a scoreboard>using a mod that lets you see scores in a coop horde shooter/ARPG is cheatingwhatever, man
>>743422113are you saying dial up speed is enough to have stable ping in online games?
>>743419103>Every enemy needs to dienot necessarily and not immediately. the game spawns enemies in waves and it's rate limited so it doesn't really matter whether the current set of poxies are alive or dead so long as they're not interfering with you.>and damage is how you achieve ityou can't kill the enemy if you're dead. with very few exceptions you can't DPS the horde quicker than they can get to you and kill you. every single build relies on movement and defensive utility (blocking, shoving movesets and talents, blessings, abilities)to survive.you have to consider movesets and defensive options in addition to raw DPS. of course DPS is immensely valuable but it's not the only factor.
>>743419793>What's the point of a scoreboard outside of you sucking yourself off though?seeing objective ways to improve.
>>743422189cars go faster than horses and cars have radios. so radios cause speed.
>>743421590>100-120 mbps>slow
>>743399419wait what's micromanagement about skitarii?
>>743422279>can't kill the enemy if you're dead.Because you can't do damage if you're dead. It all circles back to it.
>>743422372But it's not going to be objective because of the randomness of the teammates you'll get.
>>743422470It could be considered fast if you are brown lol.
>>743422536>a lot more than usual conditional power boosts that require a bit of juggling rather than the typical 'get more damage on kill or cleave'>unique weapons are also very conditional or non-generalist, having some mechanic or other that elevates their difficulty above just knowing the moveset>noospheremaxxing is quite micro intensive>build archetypes, like noo-maxxing and arc-pilling, are more set in scattered clusters rather than trees and there's never enough points to pick up all the good ones>generally not a great degree of inbuilt crowd control, evasion, toughness gain or TDR compared to other classes>a little bit more resource management with scaling abilities and activatable melees to be cognisant of, can also be quite ammo/grenade hungryShe's not like, a big brain class, or even the most difficult, there's just a lot more spinning plates compared to pretty much everyone else.
>>743423793Hive scum is the micro intensive class since one mistake will wreck your shit. Skitarii is still easy to play but not as baby moded as arbites.
>>743423793>>743422536You also have to weave in melee special's too, unless you are using arc maul, and put a bit of concentration on your wep chargesIt's not ADHD tier stuff but it adds up
