the lore in the DOOM games is fucking cool, I'm convinced people only hate it because they can't be bothered to read more than a 4 line paragraph, and even then, you can fully ignore it, but I'm enjoying it
Lore? More like snore. Get back to the part where I can blast more demons in the face.
>>743366521doom was cooler when it was just a guy that was too angry to die. this superhero shit is boring.
Is it really good storytelling if you have to basically write a book and dump it on the player and tell them 'yeah read that at your leisure if you actually want to know whats really going on'
wrong genre, wrong audience, etc. they should have made a turnbased doom jrpg if they want people to read this stuff.
>>743366521I don't give a shit about Doom lore, I play games for the gameplay, not reading a shitload of text made by a director who wants to create a cheap Warhammer 40k plot copy.If you remove this retarded cancer from Eternal, the game gets way better.Dark Ages is infested with this shit to the point of being nauseating, it's a miracle Revelations DLC turned out good
>>743368347replaying the series for the first time in years precisely cause of all the praise the DLC is getting, and its really great, I was too young n dumb to care about the story, but this time I'm reading everything and its really not a difficult read, its cool, makes the slayer even cooler, and the weight of humbling the enemies he fights even greater, hell is great in the new doom series, a really scary threat, eternal is amazing and id say its a bit more fun than 2016, even though atmosphere in 2016 is unmatched, 2016 actually has a TON of doom 3 dna, which most people that larp as doom purists wouldn't know cause they never touched doom 3 due to the reputation, but its also a great game, basically there's no bad doom game that I've played so far, originals included and yes i have like 300+ hours in doom 2 wadsid said they aren't too raped to make new shit eventually, same crew size as when they made 2016, hope that's true, but doom feels complete for now, give it a 5-6 year rest min and focus on a new IP or gving quake the same treatment or smth, i like how the originals and doom remakes co-exist, better than smth like the resident evil remake verse
>>743366521The Eternal DLC makes it a bit lamer. Namely the big bad just being Doomguy but with red eyes and capital city of Hell just being a red sci-fi city instead of some hellish demon industrial city.
>>743366521I don't read anything and skip cutscenes when I can, but I don't hate it. I liked the change to cutscenes in Eternal because I could skip even more of it.Out of sight, out of mind.
>>743367598>superhero shitoh yeah the good old classic normal human guy... who could run at 50mph with 100 rockets and 6 car batteries in his pockets... at 1% hp which means he had no meat on his bones
>>743366521I just like that it led to more castle maps. I love all the castle maps for Doom 2 like Verdant Citadel. That being a big part of Eternal and a bigger part of TDA was rad. Not like we'll get a Quake 1 reboot anyways so I'll take it.
>>743369430Having no medium-based suspension of disbelief is a sign of autism. I'm sorry about your retard brain.
>>743368639>smth smth smth>reboot begging>probably still underage>DA SLAYER70% of the board's userbase gone and somehow this is the slop gurgler that remains
>>743370154you complained about superhero shit
>>743370273>can't readfine
>>743370291retard
>>743370154Based as fuck>>743370291Just stop talking bro
>>743370291no he didnt. i did. but hes right. its easier to handwave a guy being a world record sprinter with an armory in his pockets(because every shooter was like that at the time) over master chief 2 in his space station base montioring earth with jarvis. also chosen one slop.
>>743366521Did Doom need lore?
>>743370704no it isn't? eternal doomguy was literally created by hell, so he's like that, while a random guy in the military can do superhuman shit is totally okay for you?
>>743370760as long as its not in your face its fine, even doom 1-2 had fluff, this is just way more of it, there's no reason for the franchsie to not evolve a bit in some way
>>743370901>as long as its not in your faceIt has been since Doom Eternal.
>>743366521I agree its good, which is a shame that they keep messing it up in Dark Ages and RevelationsHow the fuck is Marok supposed to be killed by a demon and cause Vahlen to betray the Sentinels to Hell in exchange for his son's resurrection only to become the Icon of Sin, if Marok killed himself in Purgatory after getting Strogg'd by the Khan Makyr to try and kill Doomguy?The only link I can find between the two is the knife that Doomguy uses on the Icon's heart in Eternal is the same knife that Marok used to kill himself, but there's nothing connecting Dark Ages' Marok to the lore in 2016I genuinely hope they can fix it in another DLC that ACTUALLY FUCKING ENDS WITH DOOMGUY GETTING ENTOMBED IN HELL LIKE HE'S SUPPOSED TO, but I doubt it
>>743370784so your argument is that doom 1 isnt realistic and needed pages of explanations on how a guy can run while hes hurt to be enjoyable. the other is right. youre autistic.
>>743371042not that much desuanyways they probably feared that no one would buy a game with 0 narrative and they'd probably be right, original doom fans might, but it wouldn't be enough, especially for the console crowd, new dooms are all p good on console and famously play great with controllers, tho ofc i'm playing kb + m regardless lmao
>>743370760No. And now there's 2 and a half hours of cutscenes in Dark Ages. Thanks Hugo, you faggot.
>>743370760It doesn't need it to function, but it's undeniable that people did enjoy the set dressing of lore that 2016 had while it focused on the gameplay first and foremost. That's the whole reason we have the nu-doom trilogy in the first place, and TDA as a prequel specificallyI really feel TDA was the exact kind of game that 2016 was making fun of, but I don't think that same lore and story is good enough to make up for it.Ask yourself this now with the knowledge we have from TDA, why would Doomguy care enough about the Wraiths to "lay their souls to rest" and the end of 2016? The only answer I can come up with is that one of those souls is Mira's after she presumably died when Argent D'nur fell and was absorbed by Hell, but there were three of them, not just one, and we don't see any living Wraiths at all.It's these kinds of questions that make me think that TDA doesn't hold up compared to the others, even if the gameplay is still good.
>>743371580I remember getting locked in rooms and forced to listen to the robot a fair bit in 2016 so I don't know about that. Dark Ages is a whole other level with how the "lore" is entangled with the level design though. I can't really ignore the bullshit when I'm being forced to wander around a hollowed out giga-demon demon to pull some levers to make its heart beat which turns into a forge or some shit. People will say "who gives a shit about the story it's doom" but the devs clearly care and it's sucking tens of millions in dev budget towards these elaborate cutscenes with big name voice actors, oddball level designs like the Forge where you gotta pull levels to make a heart beat, not to mention the time that went into those essays in the menus so I just don't get it.
>>743367802In that it's largely unobtrusive, and you're free to skip the vast majority of it? Sure.
>>743367802Why are Soulsfags allowed to celebrate this style of storytelling but Doomfags aren't?
Doom's number 1 inspiration is Evil Dead. The raw all-American simplicity of a gritty working-class nobody taking up a shotgun and pumping a demon's motherfucking ass full of lead. Turning Doomguy into the Doom Slayer is as retarded as turning Ash Williams into Superman
>>743367802It's not good or bad, but it's the right choice for a Doom game, especially knowing how people reacted to it even existing.
That’s nice dear but you’re still gay.
>>743368347>If you remove this retarded cancer from Eternal, the game gets way betterHow so, when you don't have to read it to understand what you're doing?
>the lore in the DOOM games is fucking coolDoom was never supposed to have "lore". Your marvel fanfictions are trash.
>>743374530this entire premise is based on one interview question answer by carmack in the early 90s, romero recently has praised the new entries even doom 3, they're a way different direction but they're still good games, people that keep repeating this mantra are just larping simple as that, unlike with other remake projects id hasn't abandoned the old dooms in fact they re release em with shit like achievements and official new content every few years, idk what else people want
>all has fallenJUST
>>743374434There's still lots of yapping and typical cinematic cliche story stuff in the cutscenes. Doom 2016 didn't even have any real cutscenes. The first-person perspective was completely unbroken from beginning to end. It was like Half-Life.
>>743366521>lore>Doom
>>743374890>has-been celebrity fishes for attention, that means something!>unlike with other remake projects id hasn't abandoned the old dooms in fact they re release em with shit like achievements and official new content every few years, idk what else people wantWho the FUCK cares about nostalgia cashgrabs? The community supported Doom for free for all these years.
>>743375103and it got blessing from the developers for their work in the form of an official addon manager/downloader/workshop/even vote on wads type thing in the doom rereleases (Which were literally all free for previous doom owners btw, I didn't pay for em once 'yet they kept dropping in my library so not complaining, what a cashgrab) contrast this to the way japanese developers treat their own products and its not even close, id is based asf
>>743369430The appealing part about barely existing plots/worldbuilding is that it prompts people to use their imagination to fill in the gaps. It's a not a coincidence that there are a lot of mods for games like Doom, Unreal, Half Life, or Quake.There are no nerds to correct you on accuracy, just people giving their own unique headcanon. Additional lore makes a world more finite and less large in scale.
>>743375251>and it got blessing from the developers for their work in the form of an official addon manager/downloader/workshop/even vote on wads type thing in the doom rereleasesWhoCares. The comminity did that years before the latest steam cashgrab.
Im getting my ass fucking BLASTED on the DLCI need to get much better with the fucking spear and fastShield was babyfuckingmode it seems
>>743366521Who cares. Actual Doom ended with 64, though 3 is a good System Shock adjacent game
>>743375307cashgrab which was literally free for people that owned doom from like 2007? you faggots will bitcha bout everything its a decent re-release and a good excuse to replay the original dooms with a high quality official wad to boot (inb4 some noob starts bitching about sigil), point is they respect the franchise more than the larpers which mindlessly shit on eternal cause they're shit at it
>>743370154Holy shit you're stupid. I'm autistic and I can't stand normies who are like that. You might be retarded anon.
>>743375021Oh yeah, I get that, I thought you were just talking about the lore you read.
>>743375341
>>743366521nudoom lore is so nortubel tier
>>743366521It is retarded and you are mentally a child if you enjoy this garbage
>>743376484kekdthe VA in that log is so fucking hot I could legit fap to it https://youtu.be/uRRsnTSj2-8bitch is practically fingering herself through all these logs thinking about doomguy
>>743366521Between the intended nameless blank slate protagonist ("Doomguy" is from a Usenet post), lack of story, abstract assets/levels and some games outright having different styles, Doom's setting is better as an idea that can be reinterpretated in many ways and it lacking story even contributing to its longevity given how fans have their own ideas of what Doom isThis lore stuff isn't fixing an actual problem the series ever had nor does it feel like it's trying to be what an ideal "Doom expanded universe" should be given its MCU influence and ArtStation-ismsAt least in some mods/wads and Realm667 assets people tried to embrace the classic aesthetic and moodThe Revelations flashbacks used assets from Doom 4.10 and retconned the info around Doomguy and his officer when you actually read the manualThey already made Doomguy's face differ more from the OG in DE than it did in Quake ChampsAlso the Slayer concept can be traced to>4chan copypastas about Doomguy>Death Battle and Doom fans being anal over Halo>Faraz Parsa's Doomguy comicsAnd not just the comic or Brutal DoomIn other words, they're making a so called "definitive" lore based on fans getting wild with a series with limited material in the first place
>>743374434You can understand the plot of Eternal just fine with the cutscenes, the text is just for the cheap Warhammer lore the director wanted to do.Actually, I think you don't even need them to understand the plot, the dialogue during normal gameplay might be more than enough to understand everything, and that might apply even to Dark Ages
>>743376484How does a team so skilled at writing code and doing art just collapse into this shit when it comes to writing text?
>>743376926I completely fail to see the warhammer parallels you're making ngl, just cause they both have demons which can be interpreted as hell? but chaos n doom's hell is completely different, funnily doom's hell is more chaotic
constant doomguy (oh sorry, doomslayer) dicksucking is annoying. He legitimately doesnt do anything what a normal guy shouldnt be able to do. If normal human weapons are able to kill the demons then earth should be okay.
>>743377273the demons can be fairly easily killed but they have literally countless numbers which is how they swarm and overrun any foe, due to their limitless energy supply thing, they always win by attrition which you can't beat longterm
>>743366521>and the Doomguy was the bestest at the Doom slayer rip and tear academy and the headmaster said DOOMGUY you are the bestest doomdude who ever doomed i hearby bequeath you with the beardoil of reddit that will allow you-Who gives a shit about fucking Doom lore?
>>743377273The thing is that demons are almost infinite in number and can spawn almost anywhere with little to no warning.Dark Ages was supposed to be the game that floods the screen with enemies for the player to kill, but it became the same thing as Eternal and 2016, some 3 heavy demons, 2-3 intermediate demons, and some whatever small ones that respawn every 10 seconds
>>743373334because dark souls was literally made with isolation and the mc exploring a barren wasteland in the first placeplus it's also ambiguous with the storytelling so it fits the more open-ended nature of the gameplayyou learn about the world through your journey, and decide for yourself whether to rekindle the fire
>>743377492>and the Doomguy was the bestest at the Doom slayer rip and tear academy and the headmaster said DOOMGUY you are the bestest doomdude who ever doomed
>>74336652140K slop
I like the lore in Nu-Doom, it's dumb fun, and I'm tired of pretending I don't
>>743380087kinolove how satisfying it is to kill those canniving priests, basically "royal betrayer" phenotype a la grima wormtongue
I love how /v/ pretends to hate Nu-Doom lore, when most of this Doomguy anime/capeshit power-level wankery literally came from /v/ in the first place.
>>743373334because souls games are fucking trash and their fans are fucking retarded soulless cringelord weeaboo bugpeopleis that what you want to associate with Doom and shooter fans? because that's what nudoom and its simps have become
>>743380528And here's an even older exhibit
>>743366521I don't care lorefag, I don't want gay Marvelslop lore in Doom. It doesn't belong.
>>743380654see>>743380528>>743380623case in point
>>743366521Doom lore was good when it was theologically connected. This marvel slop is dogshit
>>743366521The lore should've stayed in the codex menu. The gameplay should be "kill everyone and reach the end of the level"
>>743376942Hugo Martin.
>>743380773what, you don't want an oscar-bait 12-minute long cutscene of Tony Stark reciting the communist manifesto with a smug post-ironic smirk?
>>743380773That is literally how the games go
The lore is not even the problem, its the fucking cringe lorefags it attracts. Nobody discusses the games anymore, it's just guys stuck in an eternal 13 year old mindset arguing about powerscaling and calling themselves "loremasters" as if it's actually meaningful that you've sponged up two games worth of retcons. Doom 2016 opened with doomguy ripping a screen apart because it dared to try and loredump, only for the game to start locking you in rooms for half life 2-inspired community theater. And it can't even get that part right because it has a fucking robot with no face do it when the entire gimmick of HL2 was the facial animations.
>>743380710This has nothing to do with Marvelslop lore. No Funko pops, no night sentinel shit, no evil clone of Doomguy (or vice versa, the lore is retarded) no DOOM SLAYA, none of that shit. No cinematic bullshit either until Eternal, and then Dark Ages doubled down. I hate you nuDoom fans.
>>743366521>ackshully THU DEWM SUH-LAYUH is heckin' baste!
>>743380975Press ESC to skip (in Eternal and Dark Ages)Btw you cannot skip in 2016.
>>743380420>love how satisfying it is to kill those canniving priestswhat you meant to say was>love how unsatisfying it is to watch a cutscene of Tlynn Faggart killing those conniving priests instead of getting to do it myself
>>743381070i mean how visceral the kills are in the cutscenes is just as satisfying as gibbing em w the supershotty yourself, the way most cutscenes are ofc in-engine and first person persepctive from doomguy makes it feel like you're still in control even if u aint
>>743380528the problem is the game sucking doomguy's dick it's in your face nonstopog doom games just had the doom guy be a regular dude killing demons and shit and then the community decided "wow that's cool as fuck"in new games you are constantly reminded how doomguy is the doomest of the dooms, he is so le epic, did you know he is singlehandedly killing hordes of demons?? yep! because he is doomguy he is very strong and powerfulthat's literally my only problem with nudoomI will be the one to decide if a character is cool or not, not the developers jerking off each other
The part where Doomguy dies in Dark Ages, and then wakes up as a zombie in hell, was cool as fuckLiterally pure Evil Dead kino
>>743381067>This faggot againIt's not the escape key. It's F in Eternal, Space in Dark Ages, also not an argument since skipping cutscenes means you're missing context for what's happening. I also hate the unskippable cutscenes in 2016, but Dark Ages advertises itself as cinematic. God forbid someone doesn't want a cimematic experience IN A FUCKING DOOM GAME.
>>743381204No it isn't. Even a QTE where you mash a button to beat the shit out of them would've been more satisfying, instead of watching a cutscene of it happening.
>>743381304press F KEK
>>743381204gen alpha brained take
>>743380528it was cool when it was mysterious guy inside a coffin demon are too afraid to open or kill him
>>743381516Press F to pay respect to a once great franchise before the lorefags and powerscalers invaded.
>>743380087then dork ages its sent as monkey nigger pet of a fat bastard disguise as gay techno angel, 0 fucks given to spacevikings after dork ages deserved extinction
>>743381746Does anyone understand this post here?What language is this?
>>743381604also everyone slurping marauder shield green parry mechanic its good and best retarded gameplay ever made
>>743366521i have codex fatigue
>>743380087This.>>743380751But also this, kinda. I hate that demons are now basically aliens and souls are just some kind of sci-fi energy. But on the other hand, now that they went full retard anyway and there's no turning back, I'm embracing it and want it even more full retard. Give me doomguy piloting a mecha, mounted on a mecha dragon piloted by a dragon, along an army of sci-fi angels mounted on unicorns, fighting wizards piloting mechas, mounted on three headed mecha dogs, in an exploding planet, while heavy metal plays in the background.
>>743381826nuDoomfags really think red light green light is peak gameplay kek
>>743381874also chulthu getting raped by a big meatball
>>743381874Yes, make Doom even more gay and retarded, pander to the redditors even harder.
>>743366521the very idea of Doom having lore is what is gay. btw read the text in that image. It's very flowery & pretentious but it conveys no emotion nor character. It's like every failed fantasy writer that understands the shape of profundity but not the actual thing of it
unloved.wad
>>743375341Once you have proper grasp on the spear and its abilities you won’t be able to go backIt’s insanely fun
>>743382184Actually, I'll go a step further. The bible is a laughable document itself, but this feels like a parody of it.
>>743381874>Maykrs aren't actually angels>Damons aren't actually demons>"Its all just ayyliens guys xD"That's the point where doom lost the plot
>>743370760absolutely not, and them spending so much time on it was fucking retarded
Repent mortals
>>743369430>>743380623>autists literally taking gameplay shit seriously, that was never stated as official canon in the first place because it's a fucking videogamealso did nobody get that these 4chan texts about doomguy's speed were written as a joke?
>>743382795>they were only pretending to be retarded
>>743382684>dumb aesthetic>shit enemies Everything about “maykrs” sucks. Worst part of nu-doom.
>>743380528>>743380623John Tarnished from Elden Ring mops the floor with Doomgay.
>>743380528>>743380623The difference is that the games presented him as a regular guy on Mars fighting Abrahamic demons. Fans decided this was badass and made up lore while using gameplay to exaggerate his feats. Now he's no longer a regular guy but the chosen one, everyone in-universe acts like fanboys instead of treating him like a regular guy, and the demons are aliens from another dimension. But yes, they based the new lore on what the community wanted, which they got from memes like these and things like the doom comics and brutal doom, all of which dominated doom discourse before nu-doom.
>>743366521a big reason why nudoom feels like a poor mans wh40k is because most people dont get that wh rips off a lot of other shit
>>743366521>I'm convinced people only hate it because they can't be bothered to read more than a 4 line paragraphPeople liked 2016's codex because it was to the point, and relied on environmental storytelling, Eternal and onwards have way too many fucking text-dumpy codex entries that ramble
>>743382995Souls protags are better Doomguys than Doomguy himself these daysJust average ass humans, whose only actual feat and powers are their immortality, and their undomitable will
>nudoom is inspired by the mcu>meanwhile, quake 3 has a character inspired by bisleyremember when nerds were cool?
>>743383659I like to think the commodification of nerd culture in the mid to late 2000s is what killed it. You have 'nerds' who only know superficial shit and safe stuff, but act like they're one of the guys because they read one line of comics a year.
>>743374989The slayer slaying all the hell priest was poetic, they didn't fall just for being traitors to Argent D'Nur, it was also for greediness, the earth was about to go the same path to Argent D'Nur fate and even worse. Doom 2016/ Eternal was about to save that it's left for the slayer, the earth.
