I FEEL SO BAD FOR HER!
>>743398871I'd give her my adult body if it makes her feel any better
>>743398871>legal loli
Should I play Xilla or F next?
>>743398871Damn, it must suck being a little girl that's horrifyingly strong and could kill hundreds of soldiers with ease, life is truly suffering
>that scene of the party discovering the corpse she's been taking care ofTALES OF KINO
haha
how did they make every character in this game have soul?
her, zelos, and regal were my favorites to play asI have yet to play my second tales game but I can sense that time is coming soon
>>743399085Her mind was practically braindead and she couldn't feel any emotions. She spent decades going through life as an automaton without any awareness, for the sake of a person that was long-dead. Her mind is 27, she feels like an adult. But she won't have the body she feels she should be in for another twenty years.
>>743399251the sequel is fun despite what some autists here say
>>743399240They all had goofball moments. They all have negative character traits. Even the wide-eyed idealist protagonist makes a nerd do his homework canonically and had to be taught how cocky he was. "Now that I've heard someone else say it, sounds arrogant." Symphonia characters are likable and cool. Also their lines are way more memorable than the other cast's imo.
>>743399240Animeshit dialogue is cringe bro
>>743398871I burst out laughing at this part. Almost made this slog of a game worth it.
DAMN, I MUST BE A GENIUS!
>>743399498The writing and voice acting were terrible but it felt like I was playing a badly dubbed anime from the 90s so that was really fun.
>>743399498Rather be cringe than a bitch who calls everything cringe. Some day you will discover how important sincerity is.
Does Abyss have the greatest menu UI of all time?
>>743399742I'm nitpicking here, but I think it's too "samey". The general layout and the notebook design is very good, but too much of the font is nearly the same size and there's not enough separation between elements, so it all sort of blends together as indistinguishable vomit.
>>743399581maybe that's cuz you don't know what discrimination means
>>743399251You played the best one first, it's all downhill from there
>>743400801Pleb opinion from babby's first Tales gamer
imagine the head
>>743399027>Legalboring
>>743400992I can tell that I'm at least 15 years older than you so sit down and shut your faggot ass up
>>743399581way too many of you turd world esl monkeys on this sitelearn english
>>743399742If it doesn't, it's certainly up there.>it looks like that because it's part of Luke's journalKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>743398871>
>>743399063Depends on what flavor of boring you want.>Graces FGreat combat, incredibly dull story with the most boring, bland anc ompletely uninteresting main characters in the whole series.>XilliaDecent main characters but tedious, button-mashy and poorly paced combat.
>>743398993I don't think she'd want to be a fat ugly virgin, anon.
>>743400560I know what it means, the humor comes from the fact Lloyd makes it sound like this. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z6TIHueO04g?feature=sharesorry for the shitty video quality can't find the original
>>743398871The PS2/Remaster is so ugly they got rid of the cel shading lines and it's missing a bunch of graphics effects
>>743401338Do you think he also took pictures of everyone with a fonograph or something and autistically colored in their believed stats with crayons?
>>743399063You'll have to play Xillia sooner or later to then be able to play the peak known as Xillia 2.
>that atte nanakusa doujinKino, shame its the only one he ever did.
>>743401480Prism Sword got raped hard in Abyss
>>743399063I recommend Xillia 1 -> Graces f -> feel fresh when Xillia 2 gets remastered
>>743399240The main cast is extremely bloated and the only characters that end up mattering one iota in the end are Lloyd, Colette, Kratos and Sheena, everyone else is just redundant filler.Genis only exists so Lloyd has someone to talk to in the segment between Iselia and the desert ruins, his whole thing with Marble and the exphere is some of the most repetitive exposition when Lloyd and Presea pretty much go through the same motions.Raine's only role is to be the bitch who hits Lloyd for being dumb and that ehole last minhte bullshit about her and Genis being born to a crazy bitch in Exire and being abandoned in the Otherwordly Gate, another bit of repetitive expositiont hat comes way too late when the existwnce of Tethe'Alla is already old news.Regal and Presea's drama, on top of being yet more repetitive exphere exposition, is wholly unrelated to the main party or the main quest.Zelos is just there because at some point they decided that both worlds needed to have a chosen and so here is the chosen from the irrelevant world of rich faggots, also he's the mandatory Tales of traitor archetype which is moot because Kratos already did it and did it better.
>>743401685Always felt Symphonia is way overrated because it was on the Gamecube.
>>743401486He probably let Mieu draw the little inventory images.
>>743401745To be fair it is probably one of the better games of the franchise, the franchise itself just happens to be extremely mid, Symphonia is funny in that most Tales games feel unfinished and rushed but Symphonia feels like it had far too more dev time than it needed and they just kept adding filler, it helps flesh out the world but it is a nightmare on repeat playthroughs because it is just so repetitive, the lore isn't really that complex even if it is cool, so the end result is a slog of a game.
>>743401685Sheena mattered? I can't remember how
>>743401876I liked almost every Tales game that came out after Symphonia except Zestiria. More than Symphonia.Yes even Arise.
Now Abyss? That's a Tales game with some hair on its chest
>>743401745IMO, its basically the Gundam Wing of the series where its not the best, but since its players 1st experience with the Tales franchise they treat it like it their golden child
>>743401947She's the team's summoner and is essential to reverse the mana flow by breaking Mythos' pacts with the spirits, her personal story about being the village idiot isn't too essential to the story, but is a decent bit of character development that doesn't involve yet another reiteration about how onions green, I mean, expheres are people.
>>743401876You forget how much people glaze Vesperia.
>>743401948Arise borrows a lot of story cues from Symphonia, but I feel like it utilizes them better, at least before the whole thing falls apart in th end with that final hour of random exposition right before the final dungeon.
>>743402068I watched Gundam Wing recently, it's my favorite. I like it better than anything in UC.
>>743402151This is the one that always puzzled me the most because Vesperia has fun combat but the story falls utterly off a cliff once the second half hits and the entire cast is hard carried by Yuri
>>743402151True, Vesperia is massively overrated, perhaps because people were burned out by how fucking horrendous the characters were in Abyss that the Vesperia cast felt much more inviting, but the story is such an afterthought and the whole thing feels like it was written by a 5 year old retelling a dream.
>>743402240the story is perfectly fine even in act 3. I don't understand why everyone bitches about it.
>>743402252The only bad character in Abyss is Anise thoughbeit
>>743402252didn't realize 5 year olds had such a nuanced take on justice.also did anyone else notice this?
>>743402240>hard carried by YuriYuri's a faggot, Karol was miles better.
>>743402107Oh yeah kinda forgot about all that. You can put 400 hours into a game and still forget the basic details after 20 years damn
>>743402354lol, what nuanced take on justice? Everything Yuri did was morally correct and Flynn's only argument against it was "but you're not an authority", and in the end even he has to admit that Yuri's actions were necessary because all he and his retard soldoers did was dick around following nonsensical orders like retarded drones.
>>743402440THIS Karol?
>>743402532And still less of a faggot than Yuri.
>>743402518>Everything Yuri did was morally correct and Flynn's only argument against it was "but you're not an authority"Yuri's brand of justice only works when the system is corrupt.It's not a solution, it just stops evil people who can't be punished from doing more crimes.Flynn's brand of justice doesn't work when he's taking orders from those corrupt people and it depends on people like him being in power.Duke is an extreme version of Yuri that shows what he could become if he completely loses faith in the justice system. Luckily Yuri had Flynn to balance him and support his faith by becoming the kind of person where Yuri doesn't need to take action.
>>743402532My fuarking hero.
>>743402240>Vesperia has fun combatAfter about 20 hours when the game finally gives you what you needed to have half decent flow to your combos. IIRC when you finally get pretty much everything to have sone fun you get to witness what is probably the laziest double cross in a Tales Game
>>743402810>Vesperia has Abyss's upgrade system but it dripfeeds you skills from equipment AND you have a limited SP pool to activate only a few of them until NG+.Forgot how damn bad that was when the DE came out. I was so used to NG+ runs.
same
>>743402252>horrendous cast in abyssNext you'll complain about Luke and Anise getting different treatment for their fuckups
>>743402601That's not a nuanced take on justice. That's just basic justice. You might argue the morality is nuanced, but even that is basic and straight forward morality.You could argue it's a critique of systems that don't properly dispense justice but even that, while a more complex and broader topic, is simplistically done.People praise it for some reason but it's actually really flat.
>>743402915Rita anal
>>743401581Gallons.
>>743402810I think I glazed over that entire part because the "double cross" seemed to happen and be over in a minute. I don't even remember what the importance of it was other than establishing how old a certain character was.
>>743402601If you need to make up what if scenarios in which Yuri is not necessary to begin with to claim that the game has a nuanced take on justice then you're already wrong, there was no such scenario in the game, Yuri did what he did because it was necessary, the end, he was never presented as a grand dispenser of justice, he was a shitty vigilante dirtying his hands to help the innocent because he knew the alternative was Flynn filling meaningless paperwork for the nobles to wipe their asses with.Duke is a last minuteasspull the game does to pretend it is about anything, the reality is that Vesperia had no semblance of a theme and barely one of a plot, the whole story is "And then this happened" and then the writers realized they had a 40-hour story with no real conflict so Duke appears out of nowhere to make a problem out of Estelle's retarded sideplot which was not really a problem because all she needed to do was not try to heal an entelexeia with her magic, and even then that also became moot because the remaining entelexeia get turned into summon spirits and there's literally no reason for Duke to do anything other than because this wet fart of a story needs a final boss.
>>743403091Luke starts out as a selfish cunt, gets gaslighted and bullied into a martyr and by the end is so fucked up he just appears and says nothing, Tear is the primary driving force of said gaslighting conatantly ahifting between saying she'll protect Luke because she knows he's a retard and chiding him for not fending for himself, she also spearheads the bullying that delivers Luke directly into Van's hands.Anise is a gold digging whore who literally gets Ion killed.Jade is a hypocrite who bashes Luke endlesly for the stupidest shit while concealing his own crimes.And Natalia is a selfish whore who only uses Luke and Asch to satisfy her personal fantasies.The only person that is not an insufferable asshole is Guy.
*causes jews to seethe because of their paranoid schizophrenic guilt.*
>>743404063Yep, you missed the entire point badly.
>>743404226The point is that they're all shit people, why someone decided to base a story around that is the real mystery.
>>743399260>has the horniness of a fully grown adult and the body of a childWow! How horrible!
>>743404226psst.>>743403910and>>743404063are the same guy. He's in literally every Tales thread posting the same stuff. He's the resident schizo, like the 2fag from xeno threads.
>>743403746I just found it frustrating It's when I lost interest in the game. It took hours and hours to feed me the basics of gameplay and then it just glossed over what it hyped up as a massive narrative element in like 20 minutes.Hate to use such a meme phrase but Tales of Vesparia is pretty much the first game that comes to mind when peopke say "A game that doesn't respect your time"
>>743404391Damn, is he gonna be okay?
>>743404414Yeah he'll be fine.Until his Blastia turns into a Spirit and leaves his body after the ending.
>>743399742Question: what does that Winning Eleven radar chart show for each character? Why is that Natalia chart so expanded?
>>743404571The player must have fitted her with the Grandios capacity core and had her stat growths be the most well spread.
It's old hat now, but Tales of Symphonia was my first encounter with the "battle you're meant to lose" trope. I blew literally every resource I had trying to fight Kratos the first time.
>>743404643So the game allows you to customize character stat growth when leveling up? That sounds interesting.
>>743404726yeah it's my favorite level-up method and Xillia 2 does a similar thing.In Abyss it determines your stats upon each level, but also each category has passive skills that unlock after certain threshholds.Xillia 2 divorces them from stat gains and ties them to collectable elements.
>>743404661You can actually win that fight
>>743404726C.Cores affect growths and meeting the correct stat reqs unlock skills. There's one really annoying quirk involving Luke and a certain character where if you want to optimize Luke's boosts, you're literally never allowed to get level up with that guy.
>>743404810forgot image.
>>743404834You can, but it's not very likely your first time through. And then of course Yggdrasill shows up immediately thereafter and just destroys your ass instantly regardless.
Berseria or Graces f, which one should I get?
>>743404948F
>>743404948Both are alright. I'm of the camp that Berseria is just better than Graces f in every way including combat but graces isn't a bad game either.Graces f has too many "speedbumps" where it feels afraid to let the player do too much at once. Berseria lets you go wild.
>>743404810I wish modern JRPGs experimented more with systems. There are so many cool things they could experiment with.>>743404847>>743404863Oh I see now. That "remove" prompt at the bottom left implies that I can equip and unequip these cores anytime I want right? Is it like FFX that you can make, say, a mage have a high def or attack?
>>743399027All lolis are legal, anon.They are all fictional.
>>743404948Graces F by far.
Finished Tales of Phantasia X. Rondoline is such a halfassed addition that its unreal. The game's balance also feels like a really weird half measure and I think it wound up affecting how I feel about Phantasia overall. I'll consider doing the lower half of Morlia eventually just to say that I beat Pluto and shelve it.
>>743399260You'll never see a man that young!
>>743404948Graces F by far
>>743400560>>743401286Wow the brave UNIVERSALISTS SPEAK
>>743399742>79 hits in 628 encountersHole shyt u run away 500 time?
>>743406734 what does universalism have to do with knowing what words mean?
>>743401745Gamecube games in general are overrated. That console has a rabid fanbase of nostalgic trannies.
>>743405008>Berseria lets you go wild. Yeah, because the enemies do fuck all in combat even on the higher difficulties. Berseria sucks hippos ass
>>743405082Yeah you can absolutely do that. And the mages have decent physical attacks too so you can make it work.
>>743407163Berseria was excellent, it's just the equipment system that sucks.
>>743403438>You might argue the morality is nuanced, but even that is basic and straight forward morality.That only makes sense saying that in the context of a just society governed by the rule of law, which is what you likely live in. In the world of Vesperia you can't assume that, as it is corrupt and the people are subject to the personal whims of authority figures. Flynn is arguing for what we have in the west, transparent and fair rule of law where each person is bound to the same laws. Yuri is responding to the corruption and evil of the authorities with punitive reprisal, rather than structural reform. The logical end of Yuri's vision is a world where the strong judge the weak and justice is up to the whims of the strong, which is no different to how Cumore or Ragou operated. They just did it in a way that Yuri disliked.
>pedophilia lolyou guys are boring. zero shock factor.i hope you get caught. pedos get their throats slit in prison.
>>743407392You don't belong here
>>743407392>pedos get their throats slit in prison.No they don't. Pedos with no money, connections, or affiliations get put into protective custody. But pedos with any of those are treated like any other prisoner. Why do redditors think prisoners have some strict moral code? Do you understand how retarded that is?
>>743399742One of the best indeed.>Status pictures are taped on, and not aligned exactly>Top row character selectors are postage stamps>Musical elements (muh Score) present in the bottom bar with the button commands>Sub menus have postage seals, paper binding materialsDiegetic stuff will always have soul. Nier automata has some similarities and I also really like how they designed it to use as few colors as possible.>>743400463Not enough separation? There are horizontal and brown lines separating almost everything, it's like an Excel worksheet.
>>743404571Stat enhancements. You equip Capacity Cores, on each level up the equipped core will add extra points to whatever stat it boosts (eg.. +2 AGI, +2 P.ATK)These are permanent, changing Cores will skew the polygon to whatever stats it promotes.
>>743407532you're kinda right.in usa, pedos can be presidents and have the support and protection by the entire republican congress.
when did moralfagging (regardless if it is ironic or not) became a thing on /v/? last time i was here it was nowhere near this bad...
>>743407910Morality is formed through logic. Logic comes from physics. It's the natural disposition of man.You came here at a time when there was more adolescents than usual. Teenage years are where you do and say stupid shit and form lifelong embarrassment that will keep you in line the rest of your life.
>>743407910People got too silly, and then the people who didn't realize everyone was being silly, thought we were being serious, and believed they were among good company. This has been exacerbated by the current puritanical crisis the likes of which I haven't seen since the late 90s. Now we have people who are not silly, but are in fact serious, and it's ruining a lot of things.
>>743407910Some people came to 4chan because they thought this was some kind of activist site for their politics and not an anime shitposting website. They refuse to accept reality and try and get everyone in line with their beliefs.
>>743407910Moralfags zoomers have risen and now pretend 4chan was always some tradchrist site when it's never been that way
>>743407772Every President since Truman either was a paedophile or protected them.
>>743408205Drawings of fictional things aren't illegal. Stay mad, tranny.
>>743407175I really like when JRPGs allow this level of customization>>743407743Can I completely ruin a playthrough if I'm not careful?
>>743411071>Can I completely ruin a playthrough if I'm not careful?Not really, and you can change the difficulty at any time so it's not like you can lock yourself in an unwinnable situation.
>>743407228No, the morality is basic because Yuri does actually do the morally correct thing by administering justice, even if it means crossing the law to do so. It's about as straight forward as it gets, morally speaking.Laws are derived from our morality, not the inverse. When the two diverge it is because the morality underpinning it has changed, which would make what is considered Just different, or the system built to mete out justice for breaking those laws has been corrupted/subverted.Yuri's position is the steps needed until the reforms manifest and choosing to be a pariah for doing so. Willingly and with a clean conscience.The morality of it is all very basic and straight forward, as I said.
>>743411159I see, thanks anon. I have only played Phantasia and want to play some other Tales games as well. I'll put this one in my list.
>>743404948Graces because Berseria is the worst Tales game and one of the worst game ever made.
>>743412228Abyss is excellent, you'll have a great time. even moreso with a buddy, co-op tales is fun
>>743404948graces f for the sovl, but berseria is the game that came close to the last tales game, which is, funny enough, graces. if you can, and dont care about 60fps on fields, play it on ps3 emu because you will have all region-locked dlc, like those japanese collab dlcs.
>>743407476this ain't your pedo forum faggot
>>743414731bro, you gotta stop baiting for replies just to keep the thread rolling. let it naturally live or die.
>>743414206Man, I miss being young. Playing coop with your friends was the shit. Used to play a little bit of everything, and a lot of games were made with couch coop in mind, even some JRPGs apparently of all things.
>>743401745No it was at the time one of the few 4 player games that had a good story, and was fun to sit with your friends, and discuss the game happening in real time. All the shocking anime moments were actually hype as fuck as a kid playing with my friends during summer nights. It was this, and melee that was huge at the time if you had friends.
>>743411530>because Yuri does actually do the morally correct thingExacting your personal sense of justice is not moral. Cumore and Ragou did the same thing. Justice should be decided by consensus within an agreed upon legal framework. That's the reason Flynn disagrees with Yuri and Yuri eventually does come around so they can compromise. Flynn accepts that Cumore and Ragou were evil and caused suffering and that the knights would/could not stop them, but Yuri realised that acting as a lone judge and executioner was taking on far too much for a single person and that his morality was not absolute. That's the point of Duke, to show Yuri why his methods are not just. Duke wants to exact vengeance against humanity just like Yuri did against those he saw as wrong.
>>743401948I really should finish arise some day. I got to the timeskip and just stopped playing. How far along was I give or take?
>>743399625DEMON FANGDEMON FANGDOUBLE DEMON FANG
>>743398871What happened to this franchise anyway?
>>743417708They basically spent the last 15 years making games that ranged from mid to bad, but unlike say, final fantasy, which has suffered from the same problem, tales never had the cultural cachet to keep it relevant through its declining years. Now, it could have been another orphaned series, but bamco seems oddly invested in trying to reinvent it, so we still get semi-regular releases, which as noted, all end up being mediocre at best (and also frequently just not really what existing fans actually want), which has left the series in a weird kind of limbo. People remember it fondly as if reminiscing on a long-dead series from their youth despite it probably still being in active development, which ends up just being us talking about the 3 games that were generally agreed upon to be pretty good (Symphonia, abyss, vesperia), and maybe some of the older ones while the newer ones are basically completely ignored.
>>743418158I see. But what makes the newer games so bad in comparison? Story, characters, the overall concept, the execution, loss of identity?
>>743417708They decided to stop appealing to the series strengths and changed core things about it to appeal to a different audience because they wanted more players but ended up with less. That plus modern games take like fucking 10 years to make so making that kind of mistake means it takes forever to course correct and also ruins the brand appeal since it will have been forever since the last good game came out.
>>743402240Having a likable main character goes a long way.
>>743402601If the system isn't corrupt yuri's brand of justice isn't needed in the first place because the system enacts proper justice on it's own. but the system IS corrupt, so following his example is necessary.
>>743398871That atte nanakusa doujin of her is fucking SEEEX
>>743418718Yeah I honestly don't understand why companies believe broadening their audiences is a good thing. It almost never works and divides the existing fanbase even more.
>>743419018Because shareholders think number can(and must) always go up, never mind that in reality there is a hard limit. None of them live in the real world and everyone else has to suffer for it.
>>743402915Vesperia definitely has the worst early game progression in the entire series. It's unreal how bad Vesperia feels to play early on.
>>743419096It's genuinely put me off of replaying it a few times.
>>743404295>He's in literally every Tales thread posting the same stuff.>he's the resident schizo>like the 2fag from xeno threadsEvery accusation is a confession.
>>743418602It is really just a little bit of everything, but if I had to point to one thing in particular I would probably say it is that it is a problem with its characters.The series has always been very character driven, being one of the first series out there to really do the "show what the characters are doing during their downtime" thing that would define the success of things like Persona since 2000. The series' characters among its more well regarded entries are pretty much universally beloved. But it feels like somewhere along the way they just the lost the special sauce to making compelling characters.
>>743419493>criticism of games in the last 15 years>biggest issue charactersTales of Berseria has one of the best main casts of any JRPG ever made and EASILY the best casts in this series. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>743419567I mean to be fair he is right. Berseria is just the exception.
