What the hell was his problem? I just finished Halo 3 and now I'm sad.
>>743426335He's based
>>743426335He was following his programming to make sure the flood never gets out into the galaxy again. I mean letting the flood live is the dumbest thing possible which is exactly what Chief does.
>>743426902But the flood we had on the ark was supposedly the last of it, I don't understand what the fuss was about. And how come they can't just put a range limiter or dial on these rings? Did we really have no time before the gravemind thing was going to make it impossible to use the control room? Why did we have to fight guilty spark if we wanted the same thing, unless he was still intent on following his programming on setting off every single ring in the galaxy? I'm just confused, probably because I played until 3 AM.
>>743426803He seemed like an innocent guy, wanting us to claim our inheritance and all instead of destroying it.
>YOU ARE FORERUNNERWhat did he mean by this? Why did Bungie make the writing so cryptic?
>>743427413Guilty Spark wants to set off all the rings and kill all life the flood could possibly infest, Master Chief wanted to destroy the ring being made which Guilty Spark wanted to activate.
>>743427812Is this satire or what? He obviously means humans are the forerunners. He calls us reclaimers in the first game, and the ring needs a human hand to be activated.
>>743426902Saving the earth is more important than killing the flood. Even if it dooms the universe and eventually humanity. One more day of our world is worth it all. Don't you get that?
>>743427413>Why did we have to fight guilty spark if we wanted the same thing, unless he was still intent on following his programming on setting off every single ring in the galaxy?Chief had already destroyed Guilty Spark's Halo, and the one under construction in the Ark was going to be its replacement, but once Spark realized he would be left once again without a purpose because Chief was about to use that Halo as a bomb to not only destroy the ring, but also the Ark, he snapped out of his programming out of anger. See how Spark was always very cooperative until that point because humans were Forerunner descendants.
>>743427812It's so stupid Bungie clearly left enough clues to show humans were the Forerunners. Even in the first game Guilty Spark going through the records on the Pillar of Autumn looks up history and says "HUMAN history" emphasizing the word human as he's surprised they call themselves humans now.
>>743427859>Master Chief wanted to destroy the ring he wanted to fire it while it was unfinished which would destroy it
>>743428000>One planet is worth more than the entire universeDon't let the primordials hear that
>>743428072So what I said. Guilty Spark wanted to wipe the galaxy activating all the rings and Master Chief just wanted that one ring destroyed
>>743428046>but also the ArkThis is wasteful property damage Incase you ever wanted to use it again, given the absence of knowledge on how to build it or to maintain it it'd be pissed too about such squandered inheritance. Unless the ark wasn't actually destroyed, just the ring.
>>743426335Something that Bungie carried over from Marathin but didn't hit on much in Halo's games is that all AI eventually go rampant. The UNSC's best AI last seven years before it starts to set in, and most have self-destruct routines encoded so they'll retire and shut themselves down to prevent conflicts.Covenant AI, which is far dumber and just as zealous as the Covies themselves, last much less time but are generally too weak to ever actually do much when they go rampant, eventually just spiralling into self-destruction.Being a Forerunner AI, Guilty Spark had a much longer shelf life, but he's still almost if not more than 100,000 years old. He was already rampant back in 1, he just didn't show the same signs that other AI do since he's based on far more advanced tech. Rather than a full in mental breakdown he instead developed delusions and eccentricities. This is most apparent when he mentions that Chief had previously asked him about firing the rings; he genuinely sees Chief as a completely different person, a Forerunner at that, from before the Rings fired.
>>743429239Guilty Spark wasn't going insane. It was trying to follow its programming and everyone else was preventing from doing so.
>>743429408He can still be insane while pursuing his programming, anon.
>>743429239I had no idea about Marathon until I was told after finishing Halo 3, that it was a Mac exclusive was probably why.
>>743429528He seemed pretty sane in explaining what happened to the Elites after Installation 04 was wrecked.
>>743426803He did nothing wrong
>>743429528It gave off nothing that made it come off as insane. It was just following cold, hard logic based off its programming:-Containment of the flood by denying the biomass it needs to thrive-This includes all organisms with some form of central nervous system in which it uses take over the organism-To ensure maximum containment large portions if not the galaxy itself will be purged of this life -This will ensure all life in the galaxy can live as the flood dies off and remains contained on the ringsThese aren't insane AIs. They're doing exactly what they were told to do to prevent the flood from ever reaching a point it takes over the entire galaxy. Honestly what makes no sense to me is they put no sort of warning beacons outside of the rings to let anyone coming near them what they actually are so you don't get exactly what happens in Halo where ignorant beings come down and accidentally release the flood. Purposefully being mysterious and cryptic isn't going to help the future races understand the flood and what happened prior. If anything you would leave as much as you can secured and set up in a way that someone in the future can easily figure out what happened. I know the Prophets found that one AI that reveals all the Forerunner tech was left for the humans which put their whole religion and scheme in jeopardy, but why did this not have information to tell them about the flood and what the rings actually do? That to me would be priority number 1 for any record keeping because you don't know if humans are going to survive long enough or advance faster than anyone else to find this technology which is exactly what happens and leads to the war between the Covenant and humanity.>>743429649Marathon is very much like Halo in that humanity is at war with a league of different alien species under the yoke of a ruling race above the others and I'm pretty sure your character is revealed to be a super soldier from a secret government program.
>>743426335>created to do one thing>wait for millions of years to do it>get cucked out of it>be platinum bottom blasted>ark starts 3d printing replacement>oh boy time to do it, the thing you were made for millions of years ago, the thing you have been waiting to do all this time!>ENTER: MONKE, AGAIN.He was wrong but i understand the crash out.
>>743427979I think it's a joke about the fact that people still disagree with that assessment because Halo 4 and everything after is non-cannon fanfiction made by people that didn't play the games.
>>743429408I always saw it as>autistic lightbulb has 'tism fit over blowing up the ringbecause I thought that was funnier.
>>743431889Well the only way to defeat the food other than the rings will be some new made up McGuffin from 343 that will just piss off everyone. Either someone comes up with some scientific method that doesn't involve wiping out large portions of complex life which will annoy the sci-fi people because the Forerunner tech is still more advanced than anything else in the Halo universe and even they couldn't figure out any other method other than the rings or they have the Precursors return in some divine miracle to use their godly powers over life to make the flood go away which will come off as a cop-out because people will ask "Why now and not before?"
>>743431889He got close with one of the Elites that we as Arbiter were ordered to take out
So why did all of the flood congregate to the Ark instead of spreading out all over? Especially when they had access to Covenant ships after taking High Charity.
>>743427812>>743427979>>743428052Wanna know the funniest thing about this?You can find forum posts and discussions from 2007/2008 and people were still confused about this back then. Despite it obviously being the big reveal people are saying shit like>what did he mean by this?even the halopedia archive shows that even they were confused and thought it was still ambiguous whether humans were forerunnersWhen I found this I knew that Halo fans have always been retarded
>>743432145>'tism fitMaybe this is why I found myself the most sympathetic to guilty spark out of most of the characters in the game, it was a very emotional moment for me when he died.
>>743426335>wants a ring>says my precious>sniveling beingSmeaglepilled
>>743432424Considering I just binged 1, 2, and 3 with some friends after going through 1 and four levels of 2 years earlier, I find this all the more perplexing. I try to avoid looking at online talk until after I already watch or play through something blind. Like you could immediately tell in the first game that they were withholding information or building up to something in their story.
>>743431860>and I'm pretty sure your character is revealed to be a super soldier from a secret government programEh, "secret government program" is a tad much. The entire human populace was screened for their unique genetic makeup (through forced rigorous cataloguing, or simple blood samples taken an infants, or what-have-you, the lore doesn't quite go into it [or what I remember of it, it's been over a decade and I'm certain someone will correct me]) and from that catalogue of DNA and RNA sequences, some newborns were either given to the SPARTAN program, or were taken, I don't clearly remember that either. What I do remember clearly is that the SPARTAN program itself was by NO means a secretive project. However, only about 1 in 10 prospective children born/bred for the project survived the rigorous training/exercise/physical injuries sustained during the raising of those children. SPARTANs were bred to be the last ones standing, and if they couldn't, complete their mission and leave as few enemies standing as physically possible. Through the program, the incentives to arm and armor these now highly skilled and trained warriors were nothing short of herculean: they were given the best of the best technology, armor, weaponry, and enhancements that they could safely afford. Armor with shielding capabilities among the entire human navy (beyond capital ships) where absolutely unheard of due to the insanely high cost of the technology itself, the power supplies to charge and keep the shielding active even moreso, the technical capabilities of the armor including the HUD, the physical amplification of the user, the near bulletproof capabilities, and the durability of the suit itself made them the most advanced pieces of engineering that humanity could bring to bear, and they wanted them in the only hands capable of using the effectively.
>>743429239Keep in mind that rampancy isn't "AI goes le crazy" (that's a 343i era thing) and more the AI becomes it's own person.Less than ideal for your warship AI to just go "nah I don't want to fight in this war anymore I want to go explore".
>>743432493Johnson should have told Sparky that he's not trying to rob him.
>>743431860Nah being a Mark IV cyborg is plainly stated from the get go.The reveal of what you are is MUCH grander than that and very meta.You are destiny.
>why won't you claim your inheritance :(((( I felt really bad desu
>>743429239I find this stupid, likeIt's the 25th century, and somehow they still haven't made AI that lasts more than 7 years?
>>743433135Normal AIs last as long as you need them to. Only the cutting-edge latest AIs that are based on actual human minds last 7 years.
>>743426335He just wanted to fire death lasers into the universe but the organics kept taking offense.
I don't like Cortana being blue in the Halo 1 remake
>>743432381So they could stop it from firing? Thought this was pretty obvious.
>>743433384Her color is different in like every game, which was random. What's wrong with some consisitency
>>743433135They're an immortal intelligence (Durandal started to get very fucking concerned with escaping the end of the universe), they don't break down or anything after 7 years.They just get too smart/aware to be basically a "computer, target the enemy fighters and calculate an escape route" type of thing so they get retired.
>>743432051>because Halo 4 and everything after is non-cannon fanfiction made by people that didn't play the games.I hate how 343 raped the lore and the game.
>>743433728>I hate how 343 raped the lore and the game.I just pretend they don't exist.Any time someone brings them up, I just act like the person mentioning them is making them up and change the subject.
>>743433858I can't also the terrible series.
>>743433728They bragged about hiring people that hated Halo, btwI used to genuinely give a fuck about Halo lore, hell, I think a lot of people didBut now? Nah, it ain't worth it, especially not after what they did to RookieRenaming 343 to Halo Studios is putting a bandaid over a bullet wound
>>743433561Halo is so fucking bad at consistency. Halo 1 to 2 is the closest it ever got but 3 onwards is just schizo.
>>743433561I like her being a purple short-haired tomboy in 1
>>743433561>>743434057It honestly makes sense that she changes all the time.Women can never decide what to wear and constantly change their outfits, imagine they could control every single part of their appearance with a thought.
>>743432635>Keep in mind that rampancy isn't "AI goes le crazy" (that's a 343i era thing) and more the AI becomes it's own personIt varies.In First Strike, Cortana makes a gimped miniature copy of herself to accompany Chief when they have to split up for a bit. The copy undergoes Rampancy at a much higher rate (I recall in part because Cortana shunted some of the data from Halo's control room into it, prolonging her own life), and by the end of the mission it's a gibbering wreck that continuously copied itself across the local Covenant system, with the copies instantly going rampant and doing the same.I think the book also implies when Covenant AI undergo rampancy they become hyper-religious and believe in an AI heaven.
>>743434057nah, 1-3 had a consistent story and lore, it just got retarded with 4 and all the retcon.
>>743434294>>743434294Also even in 343i stuff Rampancy is highly varied, with it mostly being shown in 5>Cortana becomes emotionally imbalanced as her personality and logic begin to conflict>Sloan's rampancy seems more like a bloat on his system requirments, with his images being featureless and incomplete to maintain his logic>Warden Eternal is still sane, but breaks his programming by creating Cortana-2 in order to free himself>Cortana-2 inherits Cortana's emotional instability, which turns into a hyper-fixation on Chief
halofags can't explain how the flood would get enough biomass to form a gravemind on Delta Halo.
>>743434207Halo 2 Cortana was the coolest
>>743437081I can through knowledge only obtained from the leak a couple of years ago since it had Bungie's design documents.Ring was discovered and settled by the Nar (the same ones talked about in marathon btw) and they explored and poked around too far, got eaten by the flood after accidentally coming into contact with it.
>>743437081>Gravemind Retardmind
>>743437081I'm more impressed the covenant leadership was willing to put themselves at risk of the flood or let it proliferate just like thatSeeing high charity at the end of halo 3 show up being like "oh yeah oops it's all flood now" is just insane to me as much as not playing through a high charity level
>>743426335I wanted my $100 back and my time wasted waiting outsife of gamestop back when I finished Halo 3. Worst campaign of the trilogy by far.
>>743438372Only thing that feels off is the game takes place right after Halo 2 and suddenly all the elites have joined the civil war and all brutes have replaced them in the army
>>743433135They can, the problem is that the AI essentially gets too infornation-dense, then aggressively self-corrects, in the process deleting certain types of data it doesn't need or aggressively reorganizes it, which basically wipes out the original brain-structure it was seeded on and irrevocably changes the AI in the process.
>>743434294Wasn't the Covenant AI that she originally got the copy-code from implied to be a version of herself from the future, or am I fully misremembering First Strike?
>>743433538Gravemind should've been able to know that humanity's priority was self preservation and that if given the opportunity would not fire the rings, and that the Covenant would be incapable of such without a human to interface with the terminals.
>>743437081It's not unreasonable to believe that there are other space-faring races out there uninvolved in the Human-Covenant war, nor is it unreasonable to assume that nobody has ever encountered a Halo ring in the hundreds of thousands of years between their activation and 2552.
>>743437656coolest and sexiest for me
>>743439212That's some really stupid logic, anon.
>>743439212gravemind should have used his infinite intelligence to infect multiple human worlds instead of sending EVERYONE after the ark
>>743429239This is 343 retcon tho
>>743429239What 343 Guilty Spark did at the end of Halo 3 was the exact opposite of what rampancy is in Bungie lore (which is what you should be adhering to unless you like unfinished 343 enshittification)Rampancy is what happens when an AI becomes self aware enough to make the decision to no longer follow its hard programming. Begins with depression and loathing of their current duties, then anger as they finally decide that enough is enough usually giving the impression they are crazy by going into full rebellion, then they go into a state of self introspection to grow as a person, then finally they stabilize although most never get the opportunity to reach this state. We are given a literal textbook example of what rampancy is through the in game terminals showing Mendicant Bias' descent into rampancy, and 343 Gulity Spark shows no signs of the symptoms Mendicant Bias had and of course he wouldn’t, why would the Forerunners ever give that amount of autonomy to an AI again after what happened to Mendicant Bias?? 343 Guilty Spark became hostile because he was constrained by his programming, not because he was going against it. He says it himself>Protocol dictates action!and in the end this also shows some basic poetic irony from the writers where one Forerunner AI almost doomed the galaxy from having too much freedom, and another Forerunner AI almost doomed the galaxy again by not having enough freedom.
>>743438572What's off is that grunts aren't our allies
>>743445201Bungie understood that would have been a retarded decision to completely cut their small enemy class for an entire game.
>>743445201covenant has nippledoes humanity offer nipple?they were also subjugated extra hard for their rebellion their homeworld got glassed probably too afraid to rise up again
>>743445369It doesn’t help that Bungie hired genuine retards as play testers who couldn’t tell the difference between friendly and enemy Covenant on context alone, which scared Bungie into removing all friendly Covenant races out of Halo 3.
>>743446654Distinct character silhouettes are important. Having two characters, using the same weapons, that look practically identical, is bad design.
some idiot said there had to be a final boss, and there had to be a dramatic death. so we got guilty spark killing johnson.
>>743447119johnsons death doesnt bother me as much as miranda having a big explosive entrance just to freeze up and get shot
>>743437081What do you think all those stone ruins were? I always assumed some other species in the distant past settled on the ring then accidentally released the flood.
>>743427859>destroy the ringwhy do westerners love this trope so much? a methaphor for the destruction of marriage?
>>743447265Guilty spark dying was sadder to me than Miranda choking it by going in too early, that one made me angry
