Show me a better place to work as a game developer.
What's with the Wii U era nostalgia lately?
Valve. You can spend a whole decade pretending to work on projects that go nowhere.
>>743432902Zoomer’s forced fake nostalgia
>>743432824Valve Software
>employees never have to worry about being laid off>make complete dogshit with no quality because you won't be fired anywayBut a least the latest Pokeslop makes money, right?
Nintendo doesn't have the right to say anything on anything. They prey on kids and OOT is the only good thing they've ever done. Besides that: They fired Retro.
>>743432824>employees who fear that they may be laid offThat's why you don't tell them. Rookie mistake.
>>743432824>making /v/ chose between agreeing with nintendo or sucking corporate america's cockoof
>>743432824What's with """right wingers""" on here suddenly argueing for socialism?Lay offs hit people who are performing below the average KPI. It's completely merit based firing and if you get fired it means you were useless. What's the problem here? The nazis killed their retards
>>743432824Aren't layoffs almost impossible to do in Japan? It's not like they aren't doing out of the kindness of their hearts, but more like it's a pain to do it. Altough I guess none of their labor laws apply to foreigner branches.
>>743433415The problem is that, out of everything stupid sony and microsoft have done, them laying off dead weight is objectively a good thing. Why would I, or should I, care about retards who made bad games? Look at Nintendo, and how you can make multiple bad games and still be allowed to work there, thus letting them taint more games. The entirety of nu-Paper Mario exists because Nintendo was too retarded to fire Tanabe on the spot.
>>743432902I had one, played it, enjoyed it. Besides TMS, I'd take that console twice over today's gaming dystopian hell.
>>743432824Iwata never had to deal with leftist institutional capture flooding his studios with wretches that hate their customers
>>743433505Because we still don't have good fucking video games. I don't give a fuck about their profit margin, I WANT GOOD FUCKING VIDEO GAMES.
>>743433505Completely agree, nintendo could use some layoffs too but it's sad that isn't happening. They play it way too safe and it's really disappointing that they've met success with playing it even more safe.Developers demonstrate wherever they are that they'll eventually take advantage of whatever they're given at the cost of everything else and everyone else. Now that they're being punished for not doing a good job they have to produce quality instead of being wastes.
>>743433649And you won't get good video games unless you fire the idiot diversity hires who do nothing but bloat the dev team.
>>743433448Uncle A did it best, you just have to pretend otherwise because you're equal parts cult member and fetishist.
>>743433448>Lay offs hit people who are performing below the average KPIBlatantly false, because if that was the case it would always be the management who has to go first, since they hold the ultimate responsibility for failure. Obviously, they don't fire themselves.
>>743432824He's right. Why would I do more than the bare minimum for a company that will not hesitate to kick me out at the first sign of trouble?The company I work for is in a financially precarious situation, but they're still doing everything they can to right the ship without resorting to layoffs. And I appreciate that, makes me want to do my part to keep the company going too. If they start laying people off so that lines will go up, I'm just gonna go on cruise control and show up to collect till its my turn on the chopping block.
>>743433967Why would you do more than the bare minimum, if you were never at risk of being fired?
>>743433967This is an anon who has never produced anything that mattered.
>>743434048Because it benefits me.>>743434061And you have, I'm sure.
>>743432902it's less about the wii u and more about iwata's principles. he understood there's more to vidya than line go up and investors and shareholders should unironically be killed just I M O.
>>743433785Yep, it's the white men responsible for failure, as always.
>>743434145>because it benefits meTell that to the devs behind nu-Paper Mario, Pokemon, and Metroid Prime 4. Also the devs behind Metroid Prime: Federation Force.Why put out a good game when you can just put out shovelware? You'll still get a paycheck.
>>743433193Gamefreak aren't their employees
>>743434198>there's more to vidya than line go upWii and DS were all about that, alienating the core Nintendo fanbase in the process
>>743434273I was speaking in reference to my own situation. Not my fault they choose to work in such a terrible industry.
>>743434145Of course I have, that's why I know the importance of cutting fat and pressure. You can lose your job tomorrow and nothing would change at your employer.
>>743434297So when are they getting fired? Or does Gamefreak follow the same stupid philosophy?
>>743432943ive heard that valve is really cutthroat
>>743434405the low quality of pokeslop is a direct result of rushed dev time to meet annual release quotas
>>743434490So why aren't they getting fired for their lackluster work? Why hasn't Nintendo stepped in to improve their working conditions? Don't they have a share in the company?
>>743434362>You can lose your job tomorrow and nothing would change at your employer.Actually it would.
>>743432824>being such a brain rotted weeb you think japan is a good place to work
>>743434560Nobody can make quality work that fast, instead the solution is to give more development time for future releases, which looks to be exactly what they're doing going forward.
>>743434634>Nobody can make quality work that fast, instead the solution is to give more development time for future releases, which looks to be exactly what they're doing going forward.Except Wind and Waves looks like dogshit. The exact trash as previous pokemon games, only with shinier graphics.>nobody can make quality work that fastStop excusing laziness FFS.
>>743434437Its really not
>>743434437Valve is the 2000s tech sector dream of a free form self motivating workplace. I'm sure it seems cutthroat if you're intimidated by lack of clear instruction and hierarchy.
>>743435404Motivated to do anything except making games.
>>743436007Why make games, knowing you can't be fired? ;)
>>743432902They remember the SOVLFVL UI and pretty much nothing else.
Why did every company simultaneously decide that the best way to increase profits was to replace all your competent employees with dysfunctional jeets?
>>743433505>them laying off dead weightthat's the thing though, they're not laying off dead weight. they're laying off everyone and not just the fat they've added post-wuhan virus
>>743436007I assume they get bored easily and rotate alot on experimental projects that don't pan out.
>>74343632699% of modern AAA companies are dead weight. There's nothing to save.
Japanese dont fire, they force employees to take the fall and kill themselves
>>743432943>Steam infinite machine glitch allows them to be unlucrative perfectionist.>They seeks the best out of people to keep this status.>Firing people is decided by democratic committee so you have to remain being the best to avoid getting judged by your co-workers.>Game you worked on never comes out despite this.No motivation to work hard to see your own game, just a pure competition to avoid getting fired.Working at Valve sounds like a fucking nightmare desu.
>>743436792the rate now is not that different from US though
>>743432824RobloxAdult daycare with top-tier salaries and benefits
>>743432824This is just copium since it's harder to fire Japanese workers.Nintendo would probably be just as hellish to work at, since you would be an eternal peon operating on the peter principle, dead man's boots and a job where it is easier to promote a troublemaker than it is to fire him.The office politics that we do know about sound pretty terrible, though admittedly being American and thus bulldozing half of the lame-ass Japanese social games probably makes it more tolerable than being relegated to the Zelda mines for the rest of your life because you can only passive-aggressively bitch about it and sabotage yourself.>>743433448Layoffs in the west are pretty much just speculative shit or stock market kayfabe.You do poor in a quarter, so you let go a few thousand developers, then you start hiring them back.
>>743434335Quit this fucking performative faggotry the alleged "Core" Nintendo fanbase didn't even show up for the Gamecube or Wii U despite how much you retards like to jack off about it
>>743436007Making games becomes irrelevant if said games cannot outsell CS2 or prompt more users to join steam. There was only one good part of the PMG Valve doc, around the last 3-4months of every year employees who have been prototyping new games will abandon them in mass to ship something on dota 2 or cs2 so they can be apart of something shipping for the sake of bonus consideration. Since valve has basically the month January off this leads to dead projects that no one wants to revive after its had minimal work done for half a year.That's why the old guard(the actually power at valve) have to lead the projects year round so it pressures newer employees to stay on, see, the Final Hours of Half-Life: Alyx.
>>743432943What the fuck?
>>743433605Did you play Itagaki's magnum opus?
>>743434560If I remember correctly from the leaks there have been attempts to get Gamefreak to seek help from other studios for game development, Squeenix was the one mentioned. Gamefreak's the one that dug their heels into the ground and refused assistance.>why aren't they getting fired for their lackluster workHow would Nintendo fire someone from Gamefreak, a different company?>don't they have a share in the companyNo, they have a joint ownership The Pokemon Company alongside Gamefreak and Creatures Inc. Nintendo and Gamefreak are business partners.
>>743441979So gamefreak, TPC and Nintendo have enacted some kind of strange stalemate where a bad actor can NEVER be fired because of this strange three way beaurocracy that has been enacted. That explains why Pokemon continues to stagnate.
>>743442729Remember that the partnership was established in the early years, well before the nintendo DS was even a thing. Nintendo had no reason to step on gamefreak's toes with all the money the franchise made within the first 7 years.
>>743442729Pokemon is more valuable than ever m8
>>743442954>>743442953>it makes money, that means it's goodAnd that is why the franchise continues to stagnate. What good is gloating about employee retention if the games continue to be shit?
>>743443384You clearly didn't get a single fucking correct point from my post.
>>743443573If the game quality is dipping lower and lower, then Nintendo has every reason to step on gamefreak's toes. Money should not matter to Nintendo, only quality should. If they're not willing to throw away profit for the sake of quality, then they are scumbags.
