I know the argument about Sonic having too many friends is a VERY old one by this point and been talked about to death but it's definitely one that I'll forever stick to. The original 3 playable characters from the classic games (Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles) are the only ones I care about because I haven't really cared about 3D sonic at all for the most part. 2D Sonic was good enough to rival 2D mario but in 3D Sonic turned into a mess. I do sort of low-key prefer the modern designs with the eyes colors and all but that's it. And beyond the classic 3 I don't really care about any of the other Sonic characters...I know 2D Sonic did have some obscure characters that almost never appeared such as Mighty or Ray so it's not something exclusive to 3D Sonic and to be clear I don't care about characters such as Mighty or Ray either. But then there's Shadow...a HUGE exception to all of the other Sonic friends both 2D and 3D. Probably the second most popular and iconic Sonic character of all time after Sonic himself, a lot of people even liking him over Sonic. He's the Vegeta to Sonic's Goku. An amazing rivalry with the main character that will never be replicated again. And just like Vegeta Shadow wasn't there since the beginning either. He only came along when Sonic was an established hero with no one coming close. There was Metal Sonic I guess but it just wasn't the same since he was just a robot Sonic as well as just 100% evil rather than being an anti-hero like Shadow. Knuckles sort of partially filled that role but Knuckles was never even an anti-hero just fooled by Eggman and more comparable to Piccolo than Vegeta but never evil like Piccolo used to be. So in my opinion Shadow has more than earned a spot with the 3 classics but beyond those 4 I just don't care. And I'd love to see gameplay incorporated with those 4 in 3D Sonic (since I don't think classic Shadow can exist) where the first 3 basically play exactly as they used to in the classic games and
>>743483606and Mania but in 3D, somewhat similar to certain sections of Sonic Adventure but without all the other annoying playstyles. And then as for Shadow then he plays in a somewhat different way to the other 3 rather than just being a Sonic clone but not overpowered and still fun. I can't personally think of anything good but perhaps being able to hover with his shoes and the flame from his shoes being able to kill enemies though that does sound pretty similar to Tails' and Knuckles' flying abilities. And yeah. That's it. This his probably been said a thousand times but I'll always feel strongly about it.
>>743483606>All guysGay.
>>743483606Same but only because I mostly like the series for the gay porn
>no Metal Sonicgo back modernpedo
Jesus do people really have such arbitrary cut-offs about what characters they like and don't like? And I'm not even just referring to just Sonic in general but just in general statements like "all characters from before 2005 were good but all the characters introduced after 2005 were garbage." Because for me it's like there's old characters I like and old characters I don't like as well as new characters I like and new characters I don't like.
>>743483861>metal jobberishygddt
>>743483606I thought this discourse was ridiculous then and I think it's ridiculous now. To me it's like saying Looney Toons should only have Bugs and Daffy and all the other characters should just be removed. Like nobody thinks that because it just seems ridiculous. Sonic is just a shonen/superhero type story and it's par for the course for them to constantly introduce new characters. Just think for a moment how many named characters are in Dragonball. Literally like hundreds but for some reason Sonic should only ever have 4 characters?
>should be playable every gameSonic, Tails, Knuckles>important characters but not obligated to always appear Amy, Shadow>fun additions that should show up sometimesRouge, Omega, Vector, Espio, Charmy>once in a blue moonCream, Blaze, Silver
>>743483606I don't want to read all that. I think the too many friends complaint is misguided at best and a retarded parrot at worst.
>>743484186I agree with this. A more much more balanced and overall reasonable view than OP's much more radical view.
>>743484186So basically the entire Sonic Heroes crew minus Big the Cat and plus Silver and Blaze? If anyone forgot:Team Sonic: Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. By far the easiest to remember. Team Dark: Shadow, Rouge, and Omega. Omega in specific being somewhat obscure but not too much. Team Chaotix: Espio, Vector, and Charmy. Usually fun comic relief. Team Rose: Amy, Cream, and Big. Often forgotten except for Amy. I personally don't think Big himself is that bad. It's just that in Sonic Adventure 1 his gameplay was unnecessary and didn't really add anything. If it wasn't for that he'd probably be remembered as good comic relief but not intelligent like The Chaotix.
>>743484653Big was dealt such a shit hand early on. Sega wanted to flex on their water graphics so they gave him a shitty fishing minigame as his core gameplay, then the western VA decided to give him a fat dumb retard Barney the Dinosaur voice. I'm glad people have been coming around to him as a character lately.
>>743484186No this is also stupidI don't even think Sonic needs to be playable in every gameSonic Team could and has made games where that's the case alreadyIn fact I think they should make a game where only Tails is playable or only Shadow or Vector or whoeverWhy the heck not
>>743484653>>743484721honestly i wouldn't mind if blaze and big were actually related in some way. i know that they're from different dimensions and all but i'd low-key like to see it
>>743484941That's fucking retarded. Just because they're both cats and they're both purple? In that case why are you not related to everyone who is the same race as you? I mean come on you're all humans and you're all the same race. Doesn't that mean you're related?
>>743484186literally what the fuck does cream add to any game she's in, her entire personality is>im a little girl! owo hi mister sonic!!!complete waste of a character
Knuckles game.The main conflict is Knuckles vs. Metal Sonic.Go.
>>743485265Originally the point of her was supposed to show that she's NOT just a defenseless little girl. That people underestimate her but she's actually really strong and brave when she wants to be. Somewhat like Tails but with some sexism mixed in because she's young AND a girl so people underestimated her even more than Tails but she proved that little girls can be brave and strong, even more than little boys. But unfortunately they ruined that in future games. They made her an actual defenseless little girl when originally her whole point was that she wasn't that.
>>743485145To be fair Blaze is from an alternate dimension, so it makes sense how they look nothing alike despite both being cats.
>>743485265Cream was literally added in Advance 2 as the game's "Easy Mode". She can fly like Tails, and has an immortal, infinite use, homing projectile that can be used to "cheese" all combat, including bosses. This persisted through her early years, with Advance 3, Battle, and Heroes, but was gradually lost in the "lol Sonic's Shitty Friends" phase. So, like Amy, she lost a lot of her original appeal.
>>743485265cream is the one you complain about and not charmy? i mean come on his whole thing is>hAhAhA i'M cHaRmY i'M hYpErAcTiVe AnD rEaLlY fUcKinG aNnoYiNg!i don't know what vector and espio see in himand the thing is i do actually really like to idea of a sonic character who is an insect (he's the only one i think actually or at least of the mainstream characters) and his design is kinda cool i guess but i really wish they didn't lean into whole kid = annoying thingi think originally he wasn't supposed to be a kid. i think he was supposed to be 16 and then they made him 6. should've kept him 16
>>743483606Not reading all that but it’s obvious you’re a faggot with shit taste.
>>743485932charmy's at least saddled with 2 cool characterscream has.......... cheeseand........... amy
>>743485265>>743485932Nah fuck you both Cream and Charmy are the ones you complain about but not Rouge the Slut whose entire personality as well as appearance and voice is just that?>>743483715Not to mention THIS being the literal first reply on this post? Rouge the Slut is partially the reason everyone thinks Sonic fans are all furries. I also don't like the implication that she's completely hairless below the head. Believe we've officially seen her bare stomach and bare thighs a few times before even.
>>743486494To be fair Rouge is one of the only "adult" characters in the series. You can count the amount on one hand. Her, Vanilla, Eggman... Vector, I think? That's basically it. Everyone else is either a teenager or a literal child.
>>743483606But which of them is best at sex?
>>743485265>>743485932>>743486494So I guess we could say that you guys really don't like the Sonic Heroes Flight Type characters eh? The only one of the four in that game y'all haven't trashtalked is Tails.
>>743487019I'm not any of those anons and I don't personally hate the Flight Type characters but when compared to the Speed Type and Power Type characters >>743484653 I do find them the most boring. Like with Speed Type you've got Sonic and Shadow which immediately makes Speed Type the best in my opinion. Then Espio is a fucking ninja and Amy is the first major Sonic character from the classic days which is also neat.Then with Power Type you've got Knuckles and Omega which I'd say are the best ones. Then Vector and Big are kinda eh though I do like Vector's design.And then with Flight Type besides Tails not any of them really stick out to me. Rouge kinda stands out by being Knuckles' main rival but I don't care that much about her otherwise. Charmy and Cream I don't really care about.
>>743487505>Then Espio is a fucking ninja and Amy is the first major Sonic character from the classic days which is also neat.*Then Espio is a fucking ninja and Amy is the first major FEMALE Sonic character from the classic days which is also neat.Not sure how I messed that up. Without the word female that statement doesn't even make any sense.
Not sure if I've seen this mentioned before but I do appreciate how the Chaotix has no mammals in it. Two reptiles and an insect. I also do like the Babylon Rogues and Bean for this reason. Four birds. And most recently Trip, another reptile. With so many unused species I don't know why Sega limits itself to just mammals.
>>743484169>To me it's like saying Looney Toons should only have Bugs and Daffy and all the other characters should just be removed. Like nobody thinks that because it just seems ridiculous.lol that's so fucking funny because it's so fucking true. that WOULD be just so fucking stupid
Remember when ol' JonnyTron did a Sonic R review?Those'n'were the times...
>>743484169>>743488453That'd be like if the Mario franchise only had Mario and Luigi. Or if Pokemon only had Pikachu and Charizard. Or if SpongeBob only had SpongeBob and Patrick. Or if South Park only had Cartman and Randy. Etc.
>>743483606Shadow sucks, and I've felt that way for the most of the last 25 years. Having him actually die at the end of SA2 might have at least made him interesting as a footnote, but no. The fourth character here should be Eggman.
>>743489168I agree. After Shadow came back after SA2 his whole personality was basically just edgy as fuck and/or being Vegeta the Hedgehog without any subtlety to make him unique from Vegeta. The real fourth character should be either Eggman or Metal Sonic or Amy. Probably Eggman.
>>743487957>Babylon RoguesLove these fellasNew Riders literally never everNo, putting XGs in Crossworlds do not count, fuck you
>>743487957>With so many unused species I don't know why Sega limits itself to just mammals.Easier to fit into the Sonic "mold", likely for branding/merchandising. Characters like Big and Vector are seen as anomalies in terms of body type which Sega is pretty strict about. IDW had to beg to use some of their own non-standard special snowflake OCs (such as Belle) into their comic.>>743489115>That'd be like if the Mario franchise only had Mario and Luigi.You'd honestly be surprised how many people genuinely want this too.
>>743483606>Sonic the MC>Tails the sidekick>Shadow the rival>KnucklesI feel like ever since Shadow, maybe even adventure, Sonic team doesn't really know what to do with Knuckles. He's either a lone guardian or a dumbass jobber to resistance leader of all things. He's always all over the place. How would you fix Knuckles? Turn him into Piccolo?
>>743485932the thing with Charmy is that everyone, writers included, agree that he’s a little shithead whereas Cream is always presented as a “smol and innocent little bean uwu with tons of potential(tm)” despite never doing anything beyond siccing her attack Chao and Gizoid on things
>>743490219I feel like the role Knuckles could take is competent comic relief. Where everyone assumes he's dumb due to being gullible as hell and shit but he's actually competent and way smarter than people give him credit for.
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>>743489419>That'd be like if the Mario franchise only had Mario and Luigi.>You'd honestly be surprised how many people genuinely want this too.how tf would that even work? in the mainline mario games you very rarely play as anyone else other than mario anyway...not even luigi. with sonic i can kinda understand because of all the different playstyles but mario doesn't have that problem. you really only play as other characters besides mario in the spin-offs for the most part.
>>743483606You must have thought the latest sonic movie was the greatest thing ever
>>743494962Not OP but I find it pretty strange how they made a movie with Shadow before a movie with Amy and Metal Sonic. I know they're gonna be in the 4th but you'd expect it to be the other way around.
>>743495146They probably did that because from a financial standpoint it just makes more sense since Shadow is far more popular than Amy and Metal Sonic and it's not even close and if the movie with Amy and Metal Sonic came first then perhaps it wouldn't have become a popular enough movie for a 4th one to be made but with Shadow in the 3rd movie it guaranteed that a 4th one would be made.
>>743495146>>743495686it's a shame because metal sonic is so much cooler
>>743495146Primary audience for the movies are boys, obviously. Amy alone would be a hard sell even if they completely ignore the romantic angle so they need to couple her with Metal to get butts in seats. >okay but why introduce them after Shadowmoney
>>743485265You have to be at least 18 to post here.
>>743496315It's kind of ironic how Metal Sonic looks much more different from Sonic than Shadow considering Metal Sonic is literally supposed to be the robot version of Sonic and Shadow is supposed to be his own thing. If you painted Shadow blue he'd basically just look like Sonic but with pointier quills.
>>743485932Charmy is my little zoomie GOAT dog, watch your mouth
>>743483715>hooks up with Lexshe’s nothing but a massive slut nowher rep is almost rock bottom
>>743499436metal sonic actually looks more similar to espio than he does to sonic. the head shape and spiky nose and all that
>>743499834Oh shit that is true actually. If only Metal Sonic was purple instead of blue he'd make a perfect and believable Metal Espio.
>>743499436I think it works to his benefit, personally.Considering everything he is comes down to "I can't BE Sonic, I must be BETTER." then it makes perfect sense and makes him stand out. If Metal came back one time looking actually like Sonic, it'd be a turn-off more than anything.
>>743483606ew, get that black faggot out of here
>>743500457enough about Knuckles
>>743500457It's funny because you could be referring to either one of two characters and you'd be correct LOL.
>>743495146>I find it pretty strange how they made a movie with the coolest non main 3 character before a movie with pink sonic and robot sonicI don't.
>>743496315You metalfags need to learn to let go. Metal Sonic has outlived his purpose. His role in the universe has been ultimately usurped by Shadow at this point, and unlike Metal, Shadow is allowed to be his own character at the same time. Metal Sonic peaked in Heroes, after which he's been metaphorically castrated, and he's literally never going to reach those heights again.
>>743485627Looks like there's A LOT of Sonic characters that Sega just doesn't know what to do with after their introduction huh. If that's how it's gonna be then they might as well just have been one-off characters.
>>743500457Disgusting black creatures
>>743502774based. i'd argue this is the case even for shadow. after he came back from the dead (or something) his whole thing became just edgy for the sake of edgy
>>743502774Sega had no problem utilizing Sonic's cast back then. But then 06 happened and everything just went down the shitter. "lol Sonic's shitty friends" every parrot chirped. The entire cast, starting with Sonic Colors, turned into Sonic's personal dicksucking cheerleaders because non-fans only wanted to play as Sonic because Sonic and Eggman are all anyone wants. It's why it took until Sonic fucking Frontiers (or Mania for 2D) for anyone besides Sonic to be playable again.
>>743492478None of that. Being a comic relief cheapens him, making him a dumbass (keyword, gullible gets mistaken for dumbass) downplays him. Truthfully, he needs to a friendly independent, he'll help out but he acts on his own. Or give him a sidekick and a rival to bounce off of that isn't Sonic. Knuckles can easily carry his own side series or game, like SoA did with giving him top billing in Chaotix.
>>743504787Don't forget how the edge has been blunted off the franchise, and the characters have been gutted. Tails is a literal ipad baby now, with Forces having him at his absolute worst. Knuckles is just another one of the guys now, nothing special. Shadow is just Vegeta but worse. Amy is literally not allowed to have a characterization anymore. It's a fucking mess. And don't even get me started on the comics.
>>743504810wasn't sonic boom the one that started the thing about knuckles being a dumbass? in that show he was basically the patrick star, the homer simpson of the show. boom was hilarious as was knuckles in that show and a billion times better than sonic prime that's for sure but it unfortunately turned knuckles into a complete and total joke
>>743505559SEGA did that with Sonic Adventure, making him fall for Eggman's lies, and then in ShTH, making him chase after Eggman out of impulse. Though you're right that Boom really did intensify those traits.>>743505089Another thing, get rid of that stupid device that Tails carries. That ruined him just as bad as Knuckles got ruined with Boom.
>>743505559Knuckles being dumb in Boom was exaggerated and played for jokes. Knuckles being dumb in the main series was just tiring because we were expected to take it seriously..
Shadow Frontiers
Sonic Gang really waited months for this Fortnite Collab kek
>>743483606I now understand the whole"Sonic's Stupid Friends" mindset critics had in the mid 2000s-early 2010s. It wasn't about the characters themselves, but their playstyles in a handful of games like Adventure. Adventure 2, and 06. Try asking fans which characters they enjoyed playing as in those games outside of Sonic and Shadow. You're not going to find many people that liked playing as those other characters outside of a few outliers. You can even tell it wasn't a problem with the characters themselves because critics didn't have problems with multiple playable characters in games like the Classics, Advance, and Rush games where they played similarly to each other with a few unique abilities. The Adventure games's reputations have also soured with many fans because of the other playstyles, especially with Adventure 2 where many say only 1/3 of the game is good.
>>743483715How can a Halloween Bat be so sexy?
>>743506045sonic's friends are lame
>>743483606The rest I can get behind, but get that bum ass jobber that hasn't done anything of value for the past LITERAL 20 years and counting off there
>>743504810>Or give him a sidekick and a rival to bounce off of that isn't Sonic.If we're talking only existing characters then Cream could be the sidekick as a sort of tough angry yet protective big brother and sweet little sister but who is also willing to protect her big brother sort of dynamic. And I suppose the rival could be Metal Sonic because at this point Shadow has completely overtaken his role as Sonic's main rival and being Knuckles' rival can give Metal Sonic a new purpose as well as something to do and make him relevant again. And of course the first thing I mentioned would make Cream relevant again. >like SoA did with giving him top billing in Chaotix.Or of course you can involve Knuckles with the Chaotix again. And while we're at it with Team Chaotix perhaps bring back Mighty, Heavy, Bomb, and Ray (I know Ray wasn't originally part of the Chaotix but because of his strong association with Mighty he might as well be as well as being a way to make him more relevant) but realistically I HIGHLY doubt Sega would ever let that happen. And it can't happen in neither the modern or classic world either because for some reason they seem to have turned Team Chaotix into modern Sonic characters that don't appear in classic anymore. Something about retconning their existence to make it so Heroes was their introduction, especially since Knuckles Chaotix was obscure and didn't do so well or something like that.
>>743484721Big is at his best in Heroes since there’s no fishing involved, just smashing through stages with his fishing rod and two cutie girl friends
The only good characters sonic has added in the past decade are the wispsThey are non-intrusive and let sonic do his thing. Plus they are easy to bring back as powerups as they have already been doingbut actual fucking retarded reject side characters like jewel or charmy all need to go
>>743506045Sonic is the fastest thing alive. So naturally his friends have to be able to at least somewhat keep up with him, as in also be fast in their own right. It makes logical sense. Both the Genesis games and the Advance series recognizes this. And yet, despite this, they kept insisting on, for some god fucked reason, making Tails, Knuckles, and Amy incredibly slow. Tails and Knuckles weren't too bad in Adventure 1, but they got worse in Adventure 2, and it got REALLY bad in 06.The issue was they tried too hard to carve a niche into each character, which only served to separate them further from Sonic's core playstyle leading to shit like 06 where characters play almost nothing like each other. It gets even worse when Sonic himself isn't fun to play, which makes everyone else worse as a result. Frontiers looks like they're finally starting to figure out how they should work in 3D, but god we're stuck in baby steps territory because they went all in on Adventure styled games with lots of experimentation only for 06 to literally ruin everything.
>>743489024He couldn’t feel the SunshineHe needed to live in the CityTake him back in TimeHe needed to Work It OutHe’s the Diamond in the Sky
>>743485265This. I haven't seen anyone but lolicons care about this character.
>>743506045The friends were mostly a thing because of limitations
>>743506360>CreamInteresting. I can see those two getting along, with Cream taking after him somewhat. Metal Sonic works too, but that's where I think Metal Knuckles can come in, have MK go after the Master Emerald and Knuckles constantly fighting him off. That design was wasted in Sonic R, so much more could be done with it.
>>743485265Unassuming little girl being the most powerful character as a joke. It's a common fictional trope.
>>743501628>Metal Sonic has outlived his purpose. His role in the universe has been ultimately usurped by Shadow at this point,I disagree with thisAs much as Sonic team/Ian wants to push it, Shadow isn't really a rival to Sonic, he doesn't have the motivation to antagonize Sonic and every time a story contrives a reason to have them fight, it always feels incredibly forced. Metal Sonic will forever be an enemy to Sonic and will never have a reason not to fight him. The problem is that they never portray metal as an actually rival. Either he's a complete jobber or he's an overpowered threat that requires an entire team to beat. They never let Metal be an even match for Sonic
>>743483606Sega trying to make Sonic with "less friends" is what gets you the shitty turbo-flat mascot characters like Wisps and the Deadly Six because there's no such thing as a plot without characters! Blaming the entire concept of Sonic having friends for how annoying ones like Chip could get is like blaming the entire concept of Sonic in 3D for how shitty Sonic 06 was! Sonic needs more characters that are actual story actors and peers and not spontaneously created obstacles or voiceless power-ups.
>>743506827>Shadow isn't really a rival to Sonic>They never let Metal be an even match for SonicIts time for a new Sonic rival
>>743489346I especially hate that, because he gets over his resentment at humanity and become's Sonic's friend in SA2. And then the entire rest of the series ignores that this happened.People sure love ignoring this game they pretend is their favourite game ever...And yes, they should have just not brought Shadow back. Shadow only ever really worked as a one time thing.
>>743507143How do the Deadly Six not count as characters?
>>743507143>Sonic with "less friends" is what gets you the shitty turbo-flat mascot characters like Wispsyes and that's perfectsonic has a million retarded side characters that don't do anything and a billion if you include the stupid comics nobody but autists readnobody is entertained by faggot the faggy furry fag #89 anymore and need to go back to basics
>>743507471They are personality descriptors made into whole characters. They are not actual characters.>Zomom"I'm fat.">Zik"I'm old.">Zeena"I'm female.">Zor"I'm emo.">Zazz"I'm crazy.">Zavok"I'm evil."Iizuka wanted his own Bowser and Koopalings. That's the only reason they exist.
>>743506771too bad thats never been the case outside of your retarded headcanon
>>743506725Shit Metal Knuckles is real? I remember seeing him like literally exactly one time a VERY long time ago and assuming he was fanmade. He's so fucking forgettable that I somehow remember Tails Doll and Honey the Cat yet not him...
Shadow works because he plays like Sonic
>>743507295Surge needs to take Metal's place as the jobber rival
>>743507471They count as characters, because like I said, a plot needs characters to act it out. They're a way for the game to have an plot without giving Sonic any new friends or letting more than the bare minimum amount of his old friends appear.But they're shitty characters because the beginning and end of why they exist, in a Doylist sense, is not an attempt to express something, but an attempt to avoid expressing something else.
>>743507701But he SHOULD play like Dante.
>>743507628Oh, as opposed to all of those other Sonic characters.Sonic himself is literally just an embodiment of of coolness.
>Shadow is SOOO VegetaBrown hands made this thread
>>743507295Metalbros…
>>743507808>The beginning and end of Sonic's character is "being cool"If there were a member of the deadly six whose thing was "being cool" he'd wear sunglasses 24/7, speak exclusively in vaguely surfer-skater urban slang, and that would be the extent of his character. Even Sonic has more going on than that.
>>743489346>>743507361https://youtu.be/6hwtIsICUmEhttps://youtu.be/wWxqVzxlRV0https://youtu.be/1s188WNEiqwhttps://youtu.be/Cf7KSzzgyrY
This, but also Silver and Metal. Also Modern Sonic (mid 2000s/2010s) models only. None of these ugly forces era models
>>743507971>The beginning and end of Sonic's character is "being cool"Literally yeah. remember how they shut down Archie comics because they caught wind of a storyline where Sonic cries and shows emotion beyond being awesome?
>>743508158Archie is the one that pulled out of the Sonic comic deal, not Sega. At the time, Archie wanted to cease doing licensed IPs and focus on original shit.
>>743508158I'm sorry, the bait is getting stale. Nobody in their right mind would ever try to claim that the Deadly Six are fine characters, much less that the comics being hammered down on by corporate "our mascot can't lose too hard" nonsense was a good thing.
>>743508158No I don't, cause I'm not a secondary who isn't getting his information and opinions second hand
>>743508083all great clips <3
>>743508083NOOOOOOOOOOO MY ARGUMENTSHUT UP SHADOW IS AN EDGELORD HE'S NOT A HERO REEEEEEE
>>743483606What's with Shadowfags and feeling the need of white knighting Shadow at the same time as the shit on every other character and game? Not sure if fake fan or victim complex but it's not the first time I read a post like this. It's pathetic
>>743489346>>743507361>me when I lie
>>743508495It's the standard "wahhhh Sonic shouldn't have friends" argument but with one exception bolted on. It just sounds like he wants to have the "winning" argument but also make sure his favorite character isn't counted as one of the bad ones.
>>743508287i didn't say they were good characters.No Sonic character is really a good character, when you get down to it. They're paper thin mascots.
>>743508353>erm, excuse me but you haven't even READ the bad comics from the 90's...Damn, you got me...
>>743508665I see
>>743508676And yet the deadly six stand out as being way worse than that. Every hyperbolic complaint you could make about the regular Sonic cast directly applies to the Deadly Six.
>>743508495They're normiesThe only games they played were Sonic 2 and SA2 once when they were in high school, don't actually play or care about Sonic games, mentally still treat Sonic like 06 was the most recent game released, and think their opinions matter.
>>743508754Shut up secondary
>>743508495The games have been doing so bad and the cast has become too bloated. Eggman, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles. Thats really all you need for a story.Side characters like Amy and Shadow dont add anything
>>743486494There's more to Rouge than just acting suggestive.You guys just got mind controlled by bat titties and can't see it.
>>743509309>There's more to Rouge than just acting suggestive.like what?
I could care less about who gets in as long as the gameplay's fun.Add Schwibblebert the Platypus and make him the most insufferable character known to man, if he plays well in fun levels he's instantly got more value than any beloved character has if they're in but their gameplay is killing 30 Artificial Chaos in slow scrolling corridors with a gravity mechanic that barely works, while moving like a mix of SA1 Amy and Sonic Boom movement, while having the sound design of mechs.
>>743508957I'm a grown man. I like platform games because they play fun. I'm not about to read a bunch of comics for actual children. It's more fun to hear about them than it is to actually read these things.>Noooo! You don't have true allegiance to the brand!Damn, You caught me.
>>743509057Sonic doesn't need a story. The fewer interruptions from pure gameplay the better, actually.
>>743509354She's a pretty good friend, she really cared a lot about Shadow and Omega in Sonic 06, and she was angry for him when Mephiles told 'em what happened to Shadow in the future and told him she'd always have his back.And she still does to this day
>>743509572Wrong. The idea that story opposes gameplay is directly wrong.
>>743483606Sonic friends should be Tails,his friends from Sonic 1, Amy, and maybe the freedom fighters. The Chaotix are just people he helps sometimes and Knuckles is his (friendly) rival.
>>743509057How are the games bloated if we are only allowed to play as Sonic? Why are Sonic's friends to blame when only Sonic is playable?Is Sonic who is to blame if the game doesn't sell, not his friends
>>743509918who the fuck even cares though? Who wants a bad movie in between their fun stages?
>>743510267Just skip the cutscenes nigga
>>743510267Who says the impact of story in games is a bad movie in between stages?Who that actually plays games, that is?Yeah sure, I'm not exactly expecting Sonic Team to come up with something exceptional, but come on man, blaming "story" the concept for how poorly Sonic is written is a bad joke.
>>743510353I didn't have to skip cutscenes in Sonic 2. Every part of that game was just good, and not embarrassing.
>>743510474And you think that's because it had "no story", or what?
>>743510474They made classic Sonic for idiots like you. Go play superstars and leave us alone
>>743508158this urban legend gets more and more twisted as the years go by when Archie goes tits up in the near future people will just say that Sega killed them because of that fuckass cover
>>743510581It was part of it. It's an uninterrupted stream of nothing but great gameplay, great visuals, and great tunes.I don't get people who think Sonic should not be that, and be a bad anime.Like, you've seen animes right? You can do better than Sonic.
>>743510582Yeah, and Mania is maybe the best Sonic game ever. So I'm right, and you're wrong.Every time they try to make what you want, you end up with Frontiers.
>>743510717No, it wasn't part of it at all. The story includes the design and order of the zones. Your idea that "story" is when the characters stop and talk and thus Sonic 2 had no story is reductive nonsense.
>>743507295She jobs too much to be a rival.
>>743507628In fairness, IDW gives Zavok some character by making him a prideful leader that respects strong warriors over disposable tools. The problem is that people only Deadly Six by their Lost World portrayals, which are complete trash. But that's a problem most Sonic characters have in general.
>>743509507I told you to hush up bitch. Stop talking about shit you don't know about
>>7435090572006 was 20 years ago dude.
>>743511504This portrayal only ends up hurting Zavok cause it completely runs contrary to the type of creatures he chooses to lead. This type of character WOULD have made the rest of the Zeti into his disposable tools for how bumbling and retarded they all are. Like he waxes poetic about "flexibility, passion and ingenuity", brother one of your guys does nothing but eat sandwiches
>>743512776Sega wants Sonic to be a mega hit and he’s still not there after decades of games and movies.
>>743513046The Deadly Six have a family dynamic between each other.. Zik is Zavok's mentor and the others are like his siblings. So, they get passes for their shortcomings. Besides, they were all trounced by Sonic, so Zavok can't exactly blame one individual for failure.
>>743507701There's no reason the other characters all can't play like Sonic too, other than Iizuka being a retard.
>>743510267>Who wants a bad movie in between their fun stages?I do, fuck you.
>>743513908That's pretty much how it should be. Just take Sonic and add/remove abilities and tweak speed and shit for each character.I never got around to actually playing through Frontiers so I dunno if that's how they did it there in the updates, but it kind of seems like it.
>>743510092>Tails and Knuckles get no abilitiesGreat.
>>743507295Who?
I thought I didn't care for Mighty and Ray but Sonic Mania made them FUN and different enough from Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. Shows that any character really can be good if implemented well. Mighty having the ability to make a powerful stomp on the ground that hits many things at once as well as being impervious to spikes; and Ray having a glide ability somewhat similar to Knuckles but way cooler that works sort of like Mario's cape. An excellent way to make forgotten characters fun. That really can't be beat.
>>743483606With people consistently using the excuse that Knuckles is a nigger because he's retarded and has rap for some stage music, I've lost all interest in the character. I'd rather some literally who tier character like Omega, Big, or Jet take his place.
>>743515241>With people consistently using the excuse that Knuckles is a nigger because he's retarded and has rap for some stage music, I've lost all interest in the character.weak minded
>>743515086i agree but i just wish mighty and ray had better designs because as they are they just look so plain. they just look like worse versions of knuckles and tails respectively. and yes i know mighty and ray came out first meaning knuckles and tails are better versions of them
I miss the times when a cool ensemble cast was a feature. Not many franchises do that as well as sonic did in his golden age. Now, the times we do get a cast beyond sonic, they're shallow sanded down versions in a mario-mandate-tier "product".
>>743515426It's entirely reasonable to hate disgusting black creatures like Idris Elba being cast for some fucking reason. The Pendersverse isn't doing him any favors either.
>>743515241Stop letting this retarded fandom ruin characters for you
>>743487957>>743489354Man, take me back.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsiR-j38HaU
>>743515873No it isn't and you're a faggot
>>743515478I mean DO they really look like Knuckles and Tails besides just being similar colors? And they do actually have some pretty unique design elements not really present in other characters. Mighty has unique ears, long armor that goes all the way down to his tail, and a pointy nose which is really only present with Espio, Metal Sonic, and Trip and none of them are mammals meaning Mighty is the first mammal to have it. And Ray is admittedly somewhat less unique but he does have arms and wings that are connected as one thing which honestly Rouge and the Babylon Rogues should have too if they were more anatomically correct. Oh and I guess his shoes are blue which I don't think any other character has. And while Knuckles's shade of red is similar to Mighty's, Ray is a pretty different shade of yellow from Tails since Ray is more bright yellow and Tails is more yellow orange.
>>743516540i get what you're saying but just taking a quick look at them without dissecting their individual design elements they still don't quite look unique enough from knuckles and tails. their designs just look like they're missing something. and it also doesn't help that the whole red and black thing was then taken by shadow later on meaning mighty simultaneously looks too much like knuckles AND too much like shadow
>>743515241>the words tier and Big the Cat in the same sentence*confusion*
>>743515873You're letting other people affect your judgment about something fictional, which is lower than any nigger
>>743505975can't decide if i love it or hate it
Snoopuyoing around as usual I see
>>743513425Less Cool Koopalings
>>743515241>>743483715For me its Tikal
>>743483606>Not a single Fang post in the threadSad. Sonic needs more recurring bad guys other than Eggman like him. He’s fun.
>>743483606I'd unironically smash Tails, he looks like a cute bottom, but I'm not a furry. I'm gay yes, but I'm not a fucking furry, tails is just hot.
>>743519505Isn't Fang part of a bad guy group called Team Hooligan or something like that alongside Bean and Bark? All 3 can come back and be rivals to Team Sonic and the other teams.
>>743519423She's cool but points against her are that she's dead and never really existed alongside the other main characters.
>>743519624*bang*
>>743519423they should have brought her back to be knuckles gf
>>743483606What about Eggman and Amy? Or are you just talking about playable characters?
>>743483606Shadow doesn't really fit in with the other three. From design alone he's a lot more complex with more details meanwhile the other three are really just basic primary colors and that's it. And he almost always plays really similarly to Sonic and at that point it's just like why even include him if he plays the exact same as Sonic?
>>743519373Koopalings weren't cool to begin with, except Roy.
>>743510092>shadow fighting tailskek
>>743515873>another retard that doesn't understand that Shadow here is talking about his own kind
>>743519651That was only from Archie.Fang should have been in modern Sonic, and going back to my other post, he could be Knuckles' rival in trying to steal the Master Emerald in classic Sonic if he can't be in modern Sonic.
>>743490219>Turn him into Piccolo?That's already Sonic. Big brother aura farmer while Tails is a fucking nerd like Gohan. The solution for Knuckles is easy. They could also make Knuckles a rival. His record against Sonic is respectable. And because of the movies, normies already see him as a proper rival.>Sonic embodies speed.>Knuckles embodies strength.>Shadow is a mix of both.There's a balance between the three.
>>743506045The difference is that other franchises tend to limit the number of playable characters in mainline games. With Mario, it's mostly Mario and sometimes Luigi. With MegaMan, it's mostly MegaMan with either ProtoMan, Base and Zero. ProtoMan, Base, Zero and Luigi don't change up the formula to the extent that Knuckles or Big do in the Adventure duology. Nobody would have an issue if they had linear levels like Sonic.
>>743522173That's probably what they should do for a future title, with maybe a gimmick or two here and there as a secondary element.
>>743519505They fumbled him in Superstars
The TRUE rival to Sonic
>>743483606Add Amy Rose and then it's complete.
>>743483606Don't forget about CHADvok, a rival to both Sonic and Eggman.
sonic was never good
>>743519505I was actually just entering this thread to say Fang is my favorite Sonic character of all time. Love the mean goofball.>>743519651>>743521510The team is actually still used in media to this day. They often appear together in the Classic Sonic IDW anniversary specials, though who knows what is going to happen to those now that there is no more Classic Sonic anniversaries to celebrate for awhile. Sonic Channel officially recognized them as a team in 2024. The games still haven't given them a moment to shine together though. Sonic Mania had them as illusions and Sonic Blitz has Bark and Bean mentioned to be working with Fang in their bios. They have a unique relationship with Fang because they aren't actually bad people, even being friends with Amy, and don't get along with Fang, but tag along for money and treasure.
>>743529756Ok froggy go back with Big
>>743483715built for BEE BEE CHARMY BEE
Chadvok was the best character to come out of the meta era
>>743483606I could do without any of these 4 just fine.Give me a Chaotix game instead.
Surprisingly a good Sonic thread so far.
Playable Metal when?
>>743533190Zavok is such a funny character.>very little fans and most of the time he is brought up is for pure spiteful seethe>one piece of merch a decade ago in a combo pack while another character barely used in that combo pack, Infinite, got new merch>fans and advertisers are so quick to accept characters that disappeared 20 plus years ago or characters just recently created like characters that have always been there and quickly flood the world with art and merch over him>it's so bad, GEE went out of their way to make plushies of all the Deadly Six except Zavok then proceeded to throw in randoms alongside them like Bean and Mimic, who is so dead that we actually saw his corpse>despite this, CHADvok perseveres through all the hate and attempts by marketing to erase him by appearing more and being playable in more games than like 75% of Sonic game cast alone with even those 20 plus year forgotten returnees being instantly tossed to the curb right after showing up again in the games in favor of himZavok might be one of the most obvious dev pet characters of all time. The whole world is against Zavok, yet one guy that loves him with all of his heart has fought tooth and nail to save him as his literal job. Unironic mad respect to whoever the CHADvokscholar in Sonic Team is. His inability to give up on the CHADvok agenda is awe inspiring. CHADvok will never fade as long as one guy breathes and depending on how powerful and important to Sonic that guy must be to have so much sway, he might take a chunk of the franchise down with his last breathe.
>>743499601I still can't believe they actually heavily implied she had sex with Lex Luthor. How did the mandates not stop this? It's especially damning because we are in a Shadow Renaissance and they made her the Catwoman to his Batman for that. This is insanity.
