How did Persona manage to get more popular than Final Fantasy?
Final Fantasy hasn't had a good traditional JRPG addition since the PS2 generation.
by having ~2% more of a coherent plot
>>743500759Its just a generation thing. FF took DQ place, then persona (supposedly, the numbers dont reflect it) took FF place, and in the future, clair obscure or some other franchise will take persona's place.
It never did.
They decided to destroy their brand and anger their fan base for no reason.
>>743500759Final fantasy has been disappointing for at LEAST 7 mainline games and the MMO is just "remember when we were good?" Raids or something (I don't play it)Square enix should have gone out of business ages ago but continues as a corpse via brand recognitionAlso OP is a tremendous fag for using AI.
>>743500759Persona 5 and FF15 both came out the same year, that comparison was all it took.
>>743500759Square has been shitting the bed for 20 years.
>>743500759Persona is a uniquely anime-adjacent phenomena.People post the anime-inspired UI and the harems and that's where it ends.The gameplay is literal ass.
>make shit games for over 20 years>reputation goes into the toilet unless you are a battered housewife who will stick with them forever no matter how shit things getNot complicated. Next thread please.
>>743500759>Yukiko's leg disappearsI fucking hate AI "art." It's so ugly.
>>743500879This. A lot of FF games in the past 25 years have been duds
>>743501025>physical>only japanalso try comparing the sales to P5 instead
>>743501952Maybe we should just compare total series sales
>>743500759Outside of release schedule and other factors mentioned in this thread, Persona 3 and on has been way more conducive to generating online discussion than FF. Comparing social links and romance options is the sort of thing that gets people talking which drives word of mouth interest. Part of why FF7 is so popular. Tifa and Aerith fags are fighting to this day.
>>743500759There hasn't been a traditional """""weeb""""" FF gsme since FF13. That's why in Japan when they did the server all the current Japanese JRPG fans say that FF13 is their favorite. Also Square Enix's new hires also did a survey and the result was the same - FF13 is their favorite
>>743500759Persona won HUGELY
>>743500759Atlus kept making good games while Squenix shit the bed and has been rolling around in it for 20 years
>>743500759>Persona>more popular than Final FantasyThe TB nigger cope on /v/ is off the charts.
>>743502765>again only in japanthe cope is real
>>743500759anal fantasy was never good
>>743502765Do you think you're making a point by posting the Switch 2 version that launched 8 months after other platforms?
>>743501278I have major gripes with modern Persona games but managing a schedule is more fun than the last two mainline Final Fantasies.
1.>Why is the game where one of the main features is dating teenage girls more popular than [other game]?OH GEE I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHYand 2: because Final Fantasy can't stay fucking coherent. FF1-6 all CLEARLY felt like the same series. 7-10 was evolving harder but still felt like FF. Then we have (because we're ignoring the MMOs) 12. It was in my opinion amazing, but it doesn't look like the FF series. It looks more like Amano's old art work so I think it's closer to the direction the series should've gone, but it's still incongruent with the rest of the series. 13 looks like 7, but more anime. 15 looks like an anime kpop band/squad of models driving around doing nothing. 16 is a weird action game. They're trying to gain new fans with every new fucking installment but they're doing NOTHING to retain old fans. Oh and the VII remake trilogy is failing because the fucking numbskulls at Squeenix decided that a remake trilogy was a great idea.Also they really should stop letting Nomura decide so much; he hasn't had a huge win since the PS2 era, and everything he's been involved with hence has either just done "ok", wasted resources or straight out flopped.
>>743500968Persona already got replaced by gacha
>>743500759Arent you atlusfags still KNEELING to sf6?
I hate anime weeb shit like Persona but I dont find FF7 and the FF7 spins off like the Remake series to be anime weebshit. Why?
>>743500759>How did Persona manage to get more popular than Final Fantasy?Final Fantasy hasn't had an identity since Sakaguchi leftNot to mention the myriad of issues that plague the company to this day
>>743500759Putting out new good games instead of nothing but dogshit for decades
>>743500759Bro you make this thread everyday, ex girlfriend syndrome is strong
>>743500759Consistent appeal to a niche market that has steadily become mainstream.FF on the other hand is consistently trying to appeal to a different market with each game, and alienates their previous audience in the process.
>>743503136anon that schizo spends 16 hours a day, every day, dumping his anti turn based image folder in every thread he can. his enemy list is atlus, sega, capcom, nintendo, literally everyone other than SE. and he even shits on old SE games if they are turn based. the entire world is his enemy, and all he wants to do is punish everyone who likes anything other than the ffvii remake games. he's been at it for over 2 years. it's his whole life. most his arguments make no sense. he's Barry 2.0
>>743500759Atlus understands modern zoomer sensibilities. They've always been edgy and progressive but were missing safety guardrails which were added in P3 and then all it took was waiting for culture to catch up. FF feels too subdued and old in comparison, plus they've yielded to the action RPG meme which makes it seem even more generic in a time where bigger budget turn based games are becoming scarce
>the modern day MJ prefers Persona over FFit's so fucking over for Square
>>743500759By being easier
>>743503760Whats your opinion on OP who has been doing the same?
>>743503810He is the op.I don't know why they play victim when turn based games never left, it's just that the supposed tb fans never make threads about those games
>>743503810I think they're both losers with no lives. Don't you? Very pathetic and indefensible behaviour from two very sad faggots. Agreed? Or do you think, for some reason, one is bad and the other isn't?
>>743503903Easy now, tiger. No need to go so overdefensive.
>PersonaWho???
>>743503893You are the biggest loser on this whole website and it's not even close. Do you think you'll ever give up punishing the world for """attacking""" 7R so cruelly?
>>743503760>his enemy list is atlus, sega, capcom, nintendo, literally everyone other than SEWho are you trying to fool kek
A toast for jimbo, another thread that he will bump to 500 posts.
>>743500759Actually different artstyle, aesthetic, characters, etcMenawhile, Final Fantasy games lately seem filled with japanese models, realistic designed humans, most of the time not even mixed with other races, simply fighting the same magical creatures, and with some nonsensical, over complicated plots occasionally overshadowed by the latest pixel graphical marvel that SquareEnix can afford>tl;drPersona series feels different, entertaining and fun, FF doesn't
>>743500968FF and DQ came out within a year of each other, they were peers
Dating high schoolersThe biggest disservice they did for marketing Metaphor was saying there was no romance and making Hulkenberg look unappealing
>>743504148>The biggest disservice they did for marketing Metaphor was saying there was no romance and making Hulkenberg look unappealingOn top of being a badly designed game, of course.
>>743503971You okay? I just said nobody stops you from making threads about turn based games.Not my fault you are some bald grandpa who rather spend all day crying over the same shit over making threads about turn based games because you are too old for those games now
>>743504224>spend all day crying over the same shitCould you imagine?
>>743500759coomers, social networks and Square retardism, next question saar ?
>>743504048Don't forget raiding every SF6 thread. https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/Etrian%20sf6/
>>743504224I noticed this. Lately I have been playing Lufia, bof and trying langrisser games but nobody ever talks about those games. Jrpg discussion is pretty dead and even Persona is just BUT FF!Hell smt is just the same fujotranny falling to smtv, no signal about SMT1 or 2
The anti square schizo is so strange to me, lime yeah they are shit but they have been shit for like 20 years you don’t see anyone going around questioning how twitter became more popular than myspace and making daily threads on it
>>743504190Its really not that different from Persona. You spend the day doing social links, side quests in dungeons/momentos, or progressing the main story. There is a hard cut off date that where even if you finish the main story early, you have 2-3 weeks in-game to fill before continuing onwards.
>>743504506>I have been playing LufiaYou are a balding turn troon and need to stop crying about 7R and raiding SF6 threads, Zelink tranny.
>>743504550Same with dq, I don't see threads of FF IS MORE POPULAR THAN DQ nor FFXV SOLD MORE THAN PersonaIt's your Mad Men meme
>>743501105I’m replaying 15 now and it’s sad because they swung for the fences with that one but had to dissect the story into a bunch of other media and dlcs and it feels like they just threw a big bag of parts at us and said deal with it.
>>743501025>japan onlyirrelevant, i mean look at elden ring which sold almost 10x more than ff16 when you add in worldwide sales.Persona 5 is sitting at 13m copies sold. Meanwhile the two last mainline ff games with 16 and ff7rebirth has failed to sell more than 3m copies each.
>>743502085sure>Persona series sold 30 million copies >FF series sold 212 million copies
>>743504604I'm not the zelinktranny schizo luckily, I hate that faggot for ruining Zelda threads
>>743500759it isn't anymore, Persona had a chance to do it after P5 got big but Fatlus fumbled the ball for a decade
>>743504626We agree on so many things.
>>743504692>Ps5 exclusive>Trilogy of a remake of 10 yearsAnd you are counting p5 spin offs. How come you were never this brave during ff15 sales? Or will you shit your pants like you did with SF6?
>>743504692Good? Then Persona 6 will easily sell 15 millions, right?
>>743504697I'm the guy you're responding to. Thanks for posting what I wanted you to.
>>743504626>FFXV SOLD MORE THAN PersonaThat just sounds like a Barry argument
>>743500759I don't think it is, it's just got loud fans
>>743504931>It doesn't count now
>>743500759>Turn based combat>Fun stories that don't go to far off the core of the series's themes>Sequels and notable spin offs allow the releasing of more than a single title in a generation>How is (literally any other JRPG) doing better than Square? Shit, Square's been so fucking sloppy I half expect them to fumble the newest DQ mainline game when it finally hits.
>>743500759I wonder, fans are way older now and gacha took all the waifufags, it's why p3r sold like 3 millions and it's one game only, I imagine it would sell even less with 3 games.FF needs to move on from 7R and be multiplatform day one.
>>743504931BA7RY is identical to Barry in every way, but his mission is battling anyone who likes any game aside from 7R. Everyone is his enemy. He's particularly angry about anyone liking any turn based game.
>>743500759>>743500879>FF becomes one of the biggest franchises ever made, literally a system seller>SE out of nowhere claims turn based is dead>Stops making normal turn based FFs>Gets overtaken by every single rival RPG>Learns absolutely nothingThis level of absolute corporate retardation has to be studied.
>>743500759Each console generarion, FF grows shittier.
It appeals to young people, they don't know what final fantasy is
>>743505025but we are just telling you to make threads about turn based games?
>>743505215A final fantasy game that came out 30 years ago sold more than persona 6 so you lose, turn troon
>>743505035My favourite part is the>Ok none of 12, 13 and 15 did as well as we'd hoped.... Let's make 16 an action game with only one playable characterMeanwhile Persona, E33 and BG3 have been incredibly successful.
>>743505035>SE out of nowhere claims turn based is deadBut they are making turn based games.
>>743505234>we
>>743502765>Has to resort to a comparing Final Fantasy to a TWENTY YEAR OLD PS2 GAME
>>743505325And as such a dedicated turn based hater, that must really tick you off
>>743505321>weebtroon still trying to latch onto Bg3 and e33
>>743505035>TURNBASED IS DED>Kids still eat up Pokèmon>Japan still treats DQ release days as a national holiday>SMT and Persona sweep>Digimon is doing the best its ever done>Yakuza shifted to it from action and has seen a stream of new interested players>Western games like E33 and BG3 are killing it>Even indies with stuff like Small Saga>The only non-turn based FF game I've had any interest in is Strangers of ParadiseI legit don't get what they're doing.
>>743500759good morning sir
>>743505406>YOU HATE THEMNo? I think you are just triggered at the truth, that you don't want to talk about turn based games.
>>743505494Real yakuzafags wanted yakuza to go back to action you poser
>>743505542What was the post that made you decide to dedicate your whole life to this?
>>743505494>I legit don't get what they're doing.Add to that the fact that Nomura still has any say within that fucking company when nothing about his style, neither storytelling nor art, is what anyone wants any more.
>>743505494>SMT and Persona sweepBut SMTfags are always shitting on Persona
>>743500759>AI Sloppa
>>743505652My whole life to what? Is it that offensive for you to make threads about turn based games? I accept your concession then
>>743500759It's not. FF7R sold more on its own than the entire P5 brand's combined decade-long sales last they updated the numbers.
>>743500759E33 mogged both
>>743504838Yes, since Persona popularity is way bigger now it can sell that and more. Cope.
>>743500759By killing the franchise with the cancellation of Versus XIII. Being more popular than a dead franchise isn't really impressive.
>>743505789You know how you live, and what you do. And you don't want to admit it because you know yourself that it's pathetic. If you didn't think what you do wasn't so embarrassing, you'd own it. But you have to pretend. You're ashamed of yourself, and you should be. Will you stop? No, not until "they" pay.Who is they? Everyone.What will make you stop? Nothing.
>>743500759>even the AIslop knows to censor a panty shotGrim
>>743500759historically mismanaged franchise. It's almost impressive that they haven't made a single good FF entry for 25 years now. you would think they would making something good by sheer accident at this point, but nope. They absolutely refuse to just make something people actually want to play. Personally I blame nomura's influence.
>>743506203Fair
>>743505789People don't play tb games here anymore, zoomers and alpha kids lack attention and gacha stole most of that market now
>>743500759Persona is like GTA where you have to judge based on the overall package because when you dissect each aspect individually you realize is ass. Like GTA has driving and shooting and flying but it's all shit and Persona is the same. Mini games? Shit. Dungeons? Shit. Combat? Shit. Side jobs and Links? Shit. Story and characters? All shit. But as overall package accounting for pace, variety, the unique situations the game puts you in... Now you realize oh it's a good game.But FF's issue has always been the same. It has nothing to do with quality since even the shittiest FF games are better than 90% of Jrpg's. The problem with FF is the retarded fans it has cultivated. Like you play Persona and then FF12, a game considered by FF fans to be shit, and it's obvious FF12 is way better game than any Persona game.
>persona: filled with hot underage girls>FF: last two entries were a single dude with no fucking party members at all and a gay as fuck 4 man boy band
>>743506337You know what's crazy? I completely agree with what you just said. This keeps happening.
>>743506432Persona can't compete with FF at its peak. A complete FF versus 13 would make Atlusfags hide again
>>743506483>A complete FF versus 13would be an absolute train wreck like all other nomura fucking faggotry
>>743506483This, unironically. Versus 13 trailer is still kino as fuck
FFgod here, I'm about to make a turn based game thread with WA.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/aQjth917Rhz%2FVSGtYjRZEg%3D%3D/page/1/A fascinating insight into the mind of BA7RY.>EVERY game is shit aside from FFVIIRI don't think even Barry claimed XV was the only good videogame.
Several highly agreeable posters have just arrived, and they all have each others backs.
>>743506886>>743507093Done!
I hate all ff after 10. It doesn't even look like ff anymore. Ff12 was passable, but I didn't liked it Ff13 female heroes looked good, but that's all. Ff1-10 were great
>>743500759FFX released 25 years ago on July 19, 2001.TWENTY FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGOSince then we've had, not counting MMOslop: X-2, XII, XIII, XIII-2, XIII-3, XV, and XVINo one's favorite final fantasy gamesTWENTY FIVE FUCKING YEARS
>>743500968DQ never took off in the west like FF did. Even today, Japs are the primary fanbase for DQ.
>>743506483Has Nomura, in the last 20 or so years, even been able to make a story where the climax of the story does NOT involve the protagonist becoming immortal/a god/Doctor Who? I just want to be cool warrior, not some divine being.
>>743507049>>743507136Either that's you falseflagging or you are admitting you prefer to be in a thread where some evil 7rfag lives over a tb thread.
>>743507363How did this obsession over tb begin, anon? What do you think could help you move on? I know you are out for revenge for "attacks" on 7R but how did that turn into an obsession with turn based, metaphor, atlus, persona, e33, capcom, sega, zelda, nintendo?
>>743507049>Nice headcanon anon but Bloodborne is still Fromsoft's best game to date and Miyazaki himself considers it his magnum opus.How does this prove your point?
>>743504048Zeldafags still seething at capcom is hilarious.
Here they come!I guess someone asked an uncomfortable question that needs dodging
>>743505494Corpos in japan have a hell of a time ever admitting they did something wrong or backtracking a statement. They'd rather run companies into the ground the admit the last president of the company was an idiot
>>743500759Outside of the Persona bringing in anime-onlys argument, FF simply fumbled the ball over and over again since FFXIII. Not a single great FF game in 15-20 years
>>743504601Social link stories are boring and your dialogue choices don't matter.The dungeons are recycled. You go through the same forest and tower over and over.Almost every side quest amounts to reaching the end room of a dungeon and fighting a recolored cyclopes you've defeated multiple times previously.The main story constantly reiterates the same exact points making it boring as fuck, a problem you don't have in Persona as much because the story focuses more on arcs.Content is timegated in such a way that you'll always finish the main story, side quests, and social links well before the cut-off points, which removes the need to put thought into your choices.Overall the game feels like a really shit alpha test of Persona 3, not an evolution of the formula released decades later.
>>743504048Uh oh this post is embarrassing and they are begging for capcom chads support now!
>>743500759Tifa still has more porn than all shitsona girls combined
>>743508321Based Personafag!
>>743505494Its because people were complaining that nobody liked TBGs some 120 or so years ago.
>>743508421Western journos used to give shit reviews to jrpgs
>>743508321>my side has more gooners!Not the win you think it is, faggot
>>743508473
how come threads about turn based games never seem to get as many posts as the threads where I express hatred for turn based games 300 times?
I don't like ff past x. I don't like persona. 1-2 was ok for child, but 3 was boring. 4 was like fanfiction. Op main guy and everyone loves him.Raidou was a more interesting.
Tifa can easily kick Yukiko's ass btw
>>743509679There's a BG3 thread with 400 replies up right now.
Persona got popular by appealing to normies.
>>743509679I dunno, they are obsessed with FF and FFags for some reason. Even the one who made a jrpg thread was a ff fagHell I just found out Grey Elegy exists
>>743510541So many people obsessed with FF recently. If only they bought the games.
>>743510213That's a wrpg
>>743500759by iterating and sticking with what works and only releasing a dozen spinoffs rather than a hundred
>>743501025>He thinks this is a Weekly Famitsu Thread.Nobody aside that crowd cares about Japan's numbers.
>>743510796I am hugely invested (not literally) in SEs stock value compared to other companies.
>>743507049>>743507750I can tell you probably came from shitter or rebbit.
>>743501040FF9 and FFX are arguably some of the best FFs in their history and theyre both within the last 7 mainline installments... (8 on the other hand...)
>>743500759It is just more interesting and honestly plays better.
>>743503792>modern day Magic JohnsonBig faggot prefers Persona, we're cooked FFsisters...
>>743500759I'm more hyped for Revelation desu
>>743500759Tifas tits are too bit, the persona games all let you date underaged girls
>>743511903As long as you showed up suddenly to defend the shitposter instead of criticize him or talk about videogames, I'm happy. Even the guy who hates OP for doing the same thing doesn't have an issue with the shitposter.
>>743500759>Purseowner troon had to generate an AI image to convey xirs retarded faux rage baitImagine being this insecure over your preferred flavor of jarpig excrement
>>743512680definitely leddit.
>>743500759>trannysona>popularall of my lels
>>743500759Persona is getting unc'd by gachaZoomers are not 15 anymore
>>743505321>Sneaking in bg3 and e33
>>743512840only brown people play gacha thoughbeit
>>743500759Final Fantasy tarnished the power of their brand name and lost a lot of their old audience by dabbling in different sub-genres in mainline entries and having an entire console generation of FF13. They also used to attract new people to the series primarily with the production values and spectacle, but Square-Enix just doesn't have the resources to stand out as much in that regard as they used to.>>743501278Persona 3-5 have better gameplay than any Final Fantasy game.>>743505035I think it's partially the same trap a lot of developers have fallen into. The cost of development keeps on rising, and they feel like they have to appeal to a wider and wider audience over time. Eventually, even something like being turn-based is seen as too much of a niche to be worth appealing to, because they feel they need the same sorts of sales numbers as stuff like GTA to sustain themselves. Cutting back on their costs is never seen as an option, because line must go up forever.
>>743513274You hags need to accept whites and Asians play gacha
>>743513436>but Square-Enix just doesn't have the resources to stand out as much in that regard as they used to.and where all their precious resources going?
>>743509073snifff
>>743505035Not at all, it's simple. We are the best, we have to lead, I find tb clunky, hence tb is dead, trust me, it's true, I work at se.
>>743500759Because modern Final Fantasy has been fucking shit for a long time
>>743506407FF has a solid identity for the first 6 games, playing as some toon going out fighting comically large monsters.
>>743500759I won't lie I would love to see a Persona v FF fighting game. Even better if it was a general Atlus v SE fighting game.
>>743504601the fact that metaphor ended up as a persona spinoff is what's wrong with it. they spend 6-7 years making something that was supposed to be Hashino's creative outlet to make something new instead of tending the persona mines, but they couldn't find anything fun for 5ish years and then made it persona 5.1 in a panic to keep it profitable. I guarantee everyone at Sega knows Hashino got away with murder.
>>743504697The data should reflect sales in the past 5 years since it's a more accurate reflection of the state of the industry. FF fans would shit their pants seeing just how much more Persona 5 is selling than any recent Final Fantasy game.The best selling FF game since the 2020s is FF7 Rebirth and it's at 7 million. Persona 5 Royal is well over 10 million. What's equally astonishing is the sales retention that P5 has, as it's still selling over 1 million copies per year *by itself*.
>>743516829Sorry I meant FF7 Remake is at 7 million* not Rebirth
>>743516556>the fact that chrono trigger ended up as a final fantasy spinoff is what's wrong with it. they spend 6-7 years making something that was supposed to be Sakaguchi's creative outlet to make something new instead of tending the final fantasy mines, but they couldn't find anything fun for 5ish years and then made it Final Fantasy VI.1 in a panic to keep it profitable. I guarantee everyone at Squaresoft knows Sakaguchi got away with murder.
>>743516982kek>the fact that Bloodborne ended up as a Dark Souls spinoff is what's wrong with it. they spend 6-7 years making something that was supposed to be Miyazaki's creative outlet to make something new instead of tending the Dark Souls mines, but they couldn't find anything fun for 5ish years and then made it Dark Souls 1.1 in a panic to keep it profitable. I guarantee everyone at Fromsoft knows Miyazaki got away with murder.
>>743516982>>743517561I like how quickly the FF shills fled this thread the moment this comparison got brought up. Atlus GODS keep winning.
>>743506407>FF is the retarded fans it has cultivatedJust look at how the fans hate sopffo, the greatest ff ever.
>>743518094Atlusfags are the first ones to hide whenever FF is big and had to kneel to sf6
>>743508254>dialog choices don't matterSame for Persona? A +3 instead of +1 isn't a huge deal for social links you have plenty of time to max shit out especially in 4/5.>dungeons are recycledTartarus, P4 dungeons and momentos are the same. Atleast there is more visual distinction in Metaphor. Momentos looks the same the entire way>main story repeat pointsSame for P4/5. Each new section is just the same loop of stopping a murder or stealing someone's heart and waiting for the cut off date for the story to move forward
>>743500759imagine AI assisted character generation MUGEN style 3D fighting game with Tekken moves.
>>743500759final fantasy really shit the bed with its last 3 or 4 installments and preying on nostalgia with gacha didnt work out well
teenagers like new thing more than old thingmore at 11
>>743519386nope, not at all. soulless hylics like new things and bastard sons of whorish mothers have zero chance of liking old things.
>>743500759That looks awesome, what is that from?
>>743512000X is flat out bad, why do we have to keep having this discussion? It was considered good when it came out for being "like a movie," but we hate moviegames now. You can't even skip cutscenes in any version and the superbosses aren't so much a puzzle as they are simply a grinding situation. It's hallways and moviegame status didn't age well
>>743519587I didn't consider it at all like a movie game, it was just a solid, linear RPG.
>>743519574Persona 5 Arena.
>>743500759Two decades of mediocre MMOs and two decades terrible mainline games (12 and 13) will do that.
>>743505325As disposable secondary IPs and only in order to lure in old school fans and milk them with bare minimum effort only to get enough money to finance their pet projects. Miss me with that shit.
Only one can be the king.
>>743519258>Tartarus, P4 dungeons and momentos are the same. Atleast there is more visual distinction in Metaphor.?Wasn't gonna reply but some sperg bumped this off page 10 so fuck it
>>743500759Chie is the superior tomboy, simple as.
>>743522324And thats SE.
there's nothing like ff I don't believe it
>jrpg>but teenage CLUEit came at the best time and is remembered for it
>And thats SE
>>743524457
>>743524869Oh look, a non-eosed game! The opposite of Ever Garbage!
persona literally just has a dedicated fanbase while ff fails to maintain or build one with every new title they releaseliterally half of P5s sales were just people double dipping to get Royal, but that shows that people like the games enough to buy them twice, meanwhile the highest selling FF in the last 10 years was a remake that hasn't sold more than 100k copies on any of the additional platforms it got ported to after PC
>>743505035>>743505494>>743508421Suits at SE see that the games they are putting the same budget into as action games aren't getting the same returns as those action games. That's it. Square has been chasing "Call of Duty" numbers for 3 gens now without the faintest idea of why CoD gets its numbers and why it's impossible for them to do so.
>>743519529>soulless hylics like new thingsexcept they won't even touch new FF titles lmao
>>743500879...just like Persona?
>>743500759I LOVE MY WIFE YUKIKOKICK HER FUCKING ASS BABE!!!
>>743505035>SE out of nowhere claims turn based is deadSE stopped making turn based mainline FF games over 14 years ago
>>743524869nice work, but be faster next time. this IS your whole life, after all.
I tried to play P4 what feels like 2 decades ago on an emulator and couldn't get into it. I really want to and swore that I would give it a proper go but now there are like 50 new definitive editions that apparently change things, I'll wait for the new "golden+" version or whatever.As for the series popularity, I think the fanbase are a bit delusional to keep comparing the series popularity with FF. It's popular, but with a very niche and noisy fanbase. I don't think the series has wide appeal in the west like FF
>>743500759There is something extremely hot about well-adjusted member of society beating the shit out of the worthless slut in a fair fight.
FF has been an MMO since 11.
>>743500759Square Enix wasted two generations without a good Final Fantasy, Atlus bet on the same Bioware group of people that want a friendsimulator + anime getting more popular with normies
>>743500759FF has been deliberately shooting itself in the foot for 24 years.
>>743505035Square Enix devs are still strapped on the PS3 era where western studios looked down on JRPGs
>>743510062Frog bro is rightit should have been Chie in the image
>>743526560Western trends change so fast I can't fucking blame themIt's like we're bi-polar>Cover up da tiddies and religious symbols!>No wait tiddies are cool! Show the tiddies and upskirts! Stop censoring games!>How dare you show that TIDDY what is wrong with you!>this anime game is off the bomb! Luv takin turns>anime is for FAGGOTS! And who the fuck can play this slow shit>I fucking love taking turns. Square can learn a thing or two from Expedition 33>Paying to play with other people online? That will never stick>OH MY GOD THIS WoW shit is FUCKING CRAZY, let's make it one of the most profitable games ever for like 2 goddamn decades>NO SQUARE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU NIGGERS DOING MMOs ARE DEAD DEAD DEAD, DIDN'T ANYONE TELL YOU!?I have lived through all this shit whether it was journo reviews, or online sentiment.
>>743500759It didn't kek.
It’s insane how badly FF has been handled as a series. Basically, XII was the last good mainline release (and even it was controversial as fuck), but XIII, its sequels, XV, XVI, all are catastrophes.>XIII is a pretty but utterly linear corridorfuck with a forgettable story and a main character that nobody cares about besides the devs themselves, also shit gameplay mechanics>XIII sequels, who gives a fuck after XIII itself>XIV admittably is successful now, but it’s a MMORPG, so basically it is competing in different series altogether>XV was an utter dev hell and it shows, the final products feels like a hastily put together patchwork>XVI is marginally better than XV, but ultimately it’s just one big fucking ”That’s it?”Really, the only truly successful singleplayer FF games are the VII remakes, and while they sell well and have a good reception in general, there’s just too much brand damage done that they could fix it alone.Meanwhile, as FF keeps straggling from one failed experiment to another, Persona has consistently good, more traditional JRPG gameplay, and most importantly, they feel like properly finished games.
>>743500759>Persona 1 is good>Persona 2 is great>Persona 3 is great>Persona 4 is great>Persona 5 is great>Final Fantasy 1-10 are great>11 is a weird MMO that worked for some people didn't work for others>12 is okay but plays wildly different compared to previous games which turned people off>13 is okay, but pretty linear for a long time and has generally lame characters/storytelling, in which it got 2 separate sequels that also experimented with the gameplay and struggled to tell a decent story>14 is another MMO which started horrifically, literally got blown up to be restarted, and has recently been struggling to keep its footing in the MMO industry>15 was a mess in gameplay, story, and presentation, not to mention how it had to essentially be restarted from the original vision but still got a book, anime, movie, and tons of other media that made an already rough game get the spotlight even more>16 was an action game, completely dismissing what made the series good, had a meandering, tedious story/characters, and was easily forgotten after a few months>Honorable Mention: FFVII Remake which was turned into a trilogy that bloated the original story, put in story additions that complicates everything in a way that wasn't needed, and scrapped the original's gameplay style for some off-brand Kingdom Hearts feeling action You can argue about Persona's gameplay being dumbed down, the stories containing plot holes, annoying characters, all of that. Which is completely fair. But they've stayed consistent. They're turn-based RPGs that added in social sim mechanics since the PS2 days. There are plenty of spin-offs, sure, but if you buy and play a mainline Persona game, you know exactly what you're getting, and it's almost always extremely polished.If you enjoy Persona, you get exactly what you want every time. If you enjoy Final Fantasy, it's a complete gamble as to whether the next entry will even resemble what you like.
>>743528548It's kind of wild to think that the last Final Fantasy game people (arguably) all agreed was at least decent was FFX or FFXII. Literally back on the PS2. Sure, you can say some of the later games had bits and pieces people liked, but all of them had critical issues that led to fanbases being split on whether they're even worth playing.Seriously, it's been about 20 years or so since a mainline Final Fantasy game came out where most everyone could agree was at least "alright".
>>743527493We are going in full circles every 40 years or so, sometimes faster.
>>743528914For me, the most boggling thing is that even after decades of failures, they still refuse to go back to basics and make a classic-styled Final Fantasy again. Persona shows that turn-based combat can sell and be hyped, so what are they afraid of? The idea that if they tried to create a new, traditional FF game and failed to make it any better than typical 8/10 AA JRPGs, they’d have no excuses to fall back on and it would tarnish the reputation of the series even harder?
>>743528550>>Persona 1 is good>>Persona 2 is great>>Persona 3 is great>>Persona 4 is great>>Persona 5 is great
>>743505861Where do FFags get the is idea that Persona isn't THE normie jrpg nowadays?You could rename the entire genre to persona-likes and normies would get it. That is hoe popular and normalfag Persona has gotten. Children know what Persona is now for fuck's sake.
>>743508321And no one who jacks it to her plays her game.Final Fantasy is a dead irrelevant frachise. What sort of bubble do you have to be in to think otherwise? Persona is a bad example of what a jrpg is or should be, but I won't pretend it isn't the first thing people today think of when they hear 'jrpg'. The other thing they think of is Expedition 33. That's it. In Japan it's Dragon Quest. Final Fantasy is basically fucking dead.
>>743529874Stranger of paradise should be ff0 and they should go from thereI really don't understand why se hired team ninja.>jrpgLad is one of the best jrpg ever made
>>743529386Persona 2 IS/EP has the best story of the genre along Xenogears, FFVII and Tactics. You're free to seethe.
Normalfag here,Persona seems alright, not my thing but my cousin plays it and she's in love with the protagonist.What the fuck is Final Fantasy?
Well their last 2 main line entries were a bloated massive multimedia project for a gay boy band and a dmc clone copying game of thronesThen youve got the 7 remake but that's old hat shit. They simply ran out of gas.
Leave my wife Tifa alone or I will kill you OP.
>>743529941Why wouldn't they? If they wrote a "normal" script for an FF game for Team Ninja and marketed it as a mainline entry, it couldn't have done worse than 16 and it wouldve probably been cheaper too. SoP is actually fun to play.
>>743501025Based spammer putting the faglus schizos in their place.
>>743530001Dunno, what fuck is a persona?
>>743505861Didn't seem to help Metaflop sell.
>>743519587>weThe voices in your head don't speak for me, schizo.
>>743530226Like Final Fantasy didn't help SaGa to sell. Retard.
>>743500759Final fantasy hasn't released any good games in 15 yearsMeanwhile persona has released one
>>743510796Nobody beside tendiecucks and /biz/fags give a flying fuck. Doesn't mean it's not a valid source for putting purseownertroons down from getting too uppity
>>743500759You'll see Tifa in Persona thread, but you'll never see theas irrelevant Persona characters (whose names I don't even know because they're that obscure and irrelevant) in a Final Fantasy thread. Because FF chads have no need to punch down.
>>743530306Lol comparing a fucking SaGa remaster to a major Atlus release is insane, Metaflop was heavily marketed and shilled all over the net, and it could only manage a paltry 2 million in unit sales.
>>743500759Final Fantasy lost its direction. They stopped caring about their original fanbase years ago and started chasing buttonmasher adhdfag money. Same way Resident evil abandoned their original fans to chase bullet sprayer wigger tards who buy games on marketing interest alone.
>>743530492>Final Fagasy nigger thinks he can punch downOn what? The best Final Fantasy game in 25 years was made by the French.
>>743530492>FFchad>Tifa is probably the only FF character he knowsreally proving OP's point that Final Fantasy has fallen off a cliff.
>>743508634>Western journos used to give shit reviews to jrpgsthey still do lol
>>743528548The main thing is that you have people in their 20s that remember growing up and playing a good Persona game. People that would have been the main FF target audience today in their 20s would have had FFXV as their first main series game. And why would they touch the endless spinoffs and -2s when they didn't play the original game that those belong to?
>>743505671That’s just not true.
>>743508321Didn’t the president of Italy goon to her?
>>743503893>turn based games never leftyes, we all know this. the point of this thread is that every other company kept making turn based rpgs and were rewarded meanwhile square abandoned it and they lose millions
>>743500759By not fucking spitting on what made it's bones.
>>743526346It is funny to see in those old jrpg vs wrpg images persona get compared with dragon age, because I actually think persona is a great starting point for wrpg fans that want to get into jrpgs, they are both romance focused games where you can customize your MC’s build a bit and you can self insert as the protagonist and make choices.
>>743530524Ok, and what does Persona have to do with it?
>>743532118The whole Italian Senate went full retard after her...
>>743532118>>743532623Imagine unironically Tifa on the front page of all major Italian newspapers.
>>743500759FF appealed to Millennials to larp as revolutionaries Persona appealed to Zoomers to larp as having friends and a dating life
>>743500759its not, op is a faggot
>>743500759You are mentally ill.
>>743533537Didn't you get banned yesterday? lmao
>>743505671The old heads refuse to let the younger generation take over. Nomura and Toriyama were in their 20s when FF7 launched now they are in their 50s and they are still running the show...
>>743533720you wish faggot
>>743532118>president of Italy>president >>743532623>>743533061As always, Italians have impeccable taste
>>743500759fixed
>>743534729>no bare legs with spats Into the trash...
>>743534729finally, now I can fap to this
>>743525717You should play Golden on PC and call it done, retard. The "remaster" coming out is going to be censored horseshit with a terrible modern dub full of talentless mixed race zoomers. It was literally already confirmed to be censored.
>>743533372Persona is a millennial franchise, retard. And the most popular one that collected all the zoomers also has you larping as a "revolutionary" of sorts.
>>743532396Metaflop is a Persona game in all but name, retard.
>>743500879fpbp
>>743528550>14 is another MMO which started horrifically, literally got blown up to be restarted, and has recently been struggling to keep its footing in the MMO industryI don't like 14 but this isn't a serious statement, FF14 is objectively a massive success financially. The "MMO industry" is really just WoW and FF14, MMOs are a thing of the past but for what is left, 14 has been a dominant force for over a decade.>If you enjoy Persona, you get exactly what you want every time. If you enjoy Final Fantasy, it's a complete gamble as to whether the next entry will even resemble what you likeFF tries to innovate with every game, this has been the policy since the start. I'd say the only time they really tried to ride the popularity of the previous title was with 7 and 8.
>>743534803I ran out of tokens
>>743534930Brutal mogging. Why are Shitsona girls so irrelevant bros? The only SMT games I play are the mainline ones.
KEK
>>743537880FF fatigue
>>743537880Nice try.
>>743500759Final Fantasy: dropped turn-basedPersona: remained turn-based
>>743538353This is the only answer ITT
>>743534729One step at a time. First, Persona cucks should try to be more relevant on 4chan. Then, they can move on to being relevant elsewhere. In other words, "clean your room", in a Petersonian sense.
>>743538687Yeah, we should inorganically spam the board with AI garbage and waifu threads like FFcultists. Also don't forget to necrobump those dead threads until bump limit like an obsessed no-life sperg.
>>743538687>First, Persona cucks should try to be more relevant on 4chan.But we have multiple legacy banners thougheverbeit
kill all persoyna sissies
>>743539071Now that's what I call Copium!
>>743500759Final Fantasy hasn't a mainline game since PS3.>But FF XVIt's a repurpoused version of Versus XIII>But FF VIIRIt's a remake of 7, same as Rebirth and Revelations>But FF XVIThat's Devil May Cry.Also, for some reason, Square understands that a mainline Final Fantasy game needs to be everything but the things the series was known, as a fantasy with notes of technology with themes that rounds around filosphy, life, death and love.I mean, you don't even need that, just make a game about a journey, with decent characters, good combat mechanics and a decent villain and you can make a story about a drought in a remote region and people will, at least try it.
>>743539157>implying the enemies won't be adjusted as wellRetard.
>>743500759Persona catered to douchebags, and SE is probably the most poorly managed major vidya company in the last 2 decades. They literally ran FF to the ground. As retarded as Sega is, Atlus isnt anywhere near as retarded.
>implying the enemies won't be adjusted as wellYes, faglus want's to casualize all their dogshit so their tiktok audience can beat it.
>>743528550>You can argue about Persona's gameplay being dumbed downGuy who thinks FES tactics was the peak of persona spotted
>>743541552>ESLBack to your shithole, New Zealand retard
>>743505632Real Yakuzafags know they have terrible combat so the turn-based turn wasn't a big deal.
persona didnt reinvent the wheel like retards every entry
he mad
>>743500759refinement not revolution
>>743539558FF16 is that ff12 Basch spin off recycled.I assume they were experimenting with the combat and can try to make FF16 using the atb from ff7r
>>743500879This is going to change with Resonance.
>>743500759dating mechanics
>>743528550>>Persona 1 is good>>Persona 2 is great>>Persona 3 is greatAs someone who played them, no they aren't specially Persona 1, Persona 2 has a story that would make for a good game if they remake it so
>>743543238>>743533537>>743534326Big day planned today, champ?
>>743519702>Main story is about 20 hours>About 13 of those are unskippable cutscenes or linear talking segments with no combat>another 2 or so for the sphere puzzles if you don't look up a guide>5 hours of actual RPG "exploration" in the hallways and combatI literally just replayed it anon, it does not hold up well. Even the endgame activities are mediocre, even blitzball since you have to reset it when you clear leagues to get worthwhile rewards, meaning your team's progress is meaningless. It's an okay game but not very good to play
>>743505035People over-hype how FF became one of the biggest franchises ever.You wanna know why FF did so well in it's early years? Cause it was one of the few JPRG's that got ported to the west that was easy enough for kids to get into.Guess when Final Fantasy began to fall off? Around the time Pokemon got popular as the JRPG you give your kids.
>>743550059I consider pokemon and FF too different. Pokemon is collector and has a weird dedicated fanbase of furries, FF was honest about being a telenovela with good presentation which is what people keeps remembering it.
>>743550827Early Final Fantasy didn't have much in the way of story. You'd go location to location, a bunch of NPC's you wouldn't remember the names of when your done would spout vague shit pointing you to the dungeon.Pokemon Red and Blue did the same shit, but the settings were just different and so was your quest.The latter cliqued far more with kids growing up than Final Fantasy did when it tried being all the more mature and orientated for older kids, teens and adults from 6 onwards.
>>743550931The closest to modern FF would be E33. It's never going to be a pokemon, it's like pretending RE will sell as much as CoD, it's a different crowd.I don't think FF should go full dating though, I like it if they keep being epic adventures since that niche barely exists anymore
>>743550989This isn't about modern Final Fantasy. This is about why Final Fantasy got popular to begin with. And that's because it was the easiest JPRG to get in at the time and got people in early. Modern final fantasy isn't getting new blood, hell majority of final fantasy fans today are just fans who cling to the franchise since they were kids.Pokemon objectively overtook it as the easy entry JRPG for kids and unlike Final Fantasy still manages to appeal to kids these days. Kids who like Pokemon and want more out of JRPG's then move onto IPs with visuals that remind them of Pokemon and not games that try too hard to look cool like FF.
>>743543238People underestimate how much Tifa merch sells and how many non ff games SE keep releasing
>>743551191But that's how FF got big: Presentation, immersion. Jrpgs are movie games after all, it's why you will find more discussion about X, 7 triangle, 6 etc over SaGa despite that one being a pure turn based game with 200% more freedom than FF. And again, pokemon is like cod, while FF was more like RE.
I like how Revelation and Resonance look (never played Exvius)
>>743536521Anon please stop pretending that DT never happened lmao. You can't keep going back to the 2013 success story to prove a point. It's ducking 2026 and the magic of XIV is gone; dumbed down combat and insanely bad writing plague the game these days and it is no ShB.
>>743551991The mmo is like 10 years old, that's normal.
>>743538072Keep burying your head in the sand. It ain't 2002 anymore.P5R DESTROYED FF7R. This is the reality you face. SE is on the brink of shuttering its doors due to blunder after blunder. They just EoS their main gacha cash cow. KH4 is nowhere to be seen. FF7R3 has a fraction of the views of P4R. E33 single handedly dismantled what little respect SE tards had left for the company. Metaphor broke JRPG records at TGA despite your endless schizo posting that it would flop; your only "source" of it flopping was some brain damaged tendie defense force literal nigger who sucks off Xenoblade posting a falsified report which Sega themselves later debunked this year.You lost. Irrefutably, entirely, wholly. All of your schizo posting was for nothing. All of your efforts were for naught. And you still insist that FF is crushing it and that Persona was never a factor, despite these trailer view comparisons once again sending you off the deep end and pulling data showing the success of FF from 25 years ago pretending like it's somehow a "gotcha".And you made this shit show your entire personality for coming on 3 fucking years. What have you to show for it? Literally nothing. When SE finally shutters its doors, I'll be looking forward to reading the mass shooter story that ends with you fucking dead.Go fuck yourself for wasting everyone's time, Larry.
>>743552623Bro you keep comparing a new game with a remake that arrived too late, was divided in 3 games and needed more than 10 years to finish.You just know you wouldn't compare it to a full ff7 remake released years ago, you don't even dare it to compare to FFXV
>>743552623You atlusfags said sf6 would flop and look at how humble you became when it didn't flop LMAO
>>743552623Dude just make metaphor threads and stop being so obsessed with FF.
>>743552830You really don't have any life at all do you? Do you go a single hour a day without thinking about your 4chan enemies, which include everyone.
>>743552830Why did they become like this? It's not like they will ever reach se when it was at its peak
>>743552910How many more threads crying over FF are you going to make? You make one every day and then you pretend you are a victim lmao. Then you shit your pants when the game you mock sells more, it happened with EO and SF6.The seething you have over capcom and Square Enix is hilarious.
Most jrpg fans are pedophiles so of course persona offers more value to them.
>>743552830>sf6Street fighter?What does street fighter have to do with jrpgs?
>>743553079You're already seething about people potentially disliking FFXVII for any reason ten years from now. That's a fact.I don't make anti FF threads. I love FF. I just think you are a sad schizo with a persecution complex and paranoid delusions who sees every other person who likes anything other than FF as the enemy. You're blathering about Atlus and Street Fighter 6 in every FF thread for some insane reason. Now bring up Zelda for the 100,000th time. Very sane, very reasonable, very balanced. And not at all biased - like everyone other than you.
>>743552757>all that copiumlmao
>>743553079For real, I'm playing smt2 and I wish SMTfags made less threads sperging over final fantasy and more about Atlus games.
>>743553750Thanks for the backup, stranger.
>>743532192But square never stopped making turn based games?
>>743553864Which must be really annoying for that one guy on here who dedicated his life to seething about anyone who likes turn based games
>>743553957And you spend more time talking about that guy than making threads about turn based games proving you are just a poser/drama seeker
>>743553987And you'd rather die than criticize him, for some reason.You are honestly so shit at this man.
>>743554027>And you'd rather die than criticize himMaybe because you are the same person? Look, a FF fag made a jrpg thread, why couldn't you? Why spend more time talking about this totally not you person?Hell what was the last turn based game you played? Any thread you made about it?
>>743505401>series
>>743554108Same person, huh? So you're willing to say the guy who seethes about turn based, atlus, e33, zelda, sega, etc in every single FF thread is a massive aspie loser?>Hell what was the last turn based game you played? Any thread you made about it?Gee where have I heard this talking point 1000 times before? But you're just a passer by, of course.Seriously man, you are so shit at this.
>>743540994anyone that's played P3R knows this won't be true
>>743554205Who are you trying to fool when your Zelda posts were deleted in a street fighter thread? Or that list calling e33 shill threads that didn't include nintendo games?Your obsession with FF is hilarious, you can't even say which jrpg you play because you don't play anything.
>>743550059Pokemon and FF got super popular at the same time, zoomie
>>743554205How nice of FF fags to never raid your Zelda waifus and fe threads uh. Almost as you are just projecting.
>>743554436>your Zelda postsYou are such a fuckin' schizo loser man. I don't know what else to tell you.Every day for years. Never give up! Punish anyone who dares to say anything bad about FF and good about any non FF! They are biased! It's not fair, it's not fair, it's not fair!FF is the only IP anyone criticizes, they give every other game a pass!
>>743500759It's very simple. Final Fantasy was a GRAPHICS! franchise at the height of its success. Now that nobody cares about GRAPHICS! anymore they've realized Final Fantasy games are actually terrible and so their popularity has dropped of a cliff.
>>743554494>your Zelda waifus and fe threadsYou are going to spend ten years seething daily about the voices in your head and imagining criticism of FFXVII and getting mad about it. You can't even deny it. You know what you are. You might be worse than Barry because at least the game he dedicated himself to defending this hard actually existed.You? You're already mad about anyone not liking FFXVII. That's some fanboy dedication right there.
>>743554436Zeldafags never got over RE Veronica mogging ootr views.
>>743500759Why are FF fags so sensitive?
>>743554575What a life you lead
>>743554575And genshin and er mogging botw
>>743500759I get to choose my wife in personafinal fantasy just hands me one
>>743500759Reminder FF17 was canned and P6 will sell even more than p5
>>743450476underestimated with that "12 hours" but nice to see this paid off
>>743554817If anyone dislikes XVII for any reason I'm going to fucking lose it. I'm already pissed just thinking about it.
I don't think it is in general. But I expect if Persona 6 is good, it will outsell Revelation. Persona 5/Royal from what we know has outsold FF7 Remake as it doesn't look like the latest Switch/Xbox ports sold much. Rebirth, they never updated the sales so hard to say. But I don't think 3 Reload outsold it. Persona 5 ended up more popular because its style and gameplay. It's open to new players in a way the VIi remakes aren't
>>743500759Same reason is more popular than smt: it's better
>>743500759persona 5 was bad but it wasn't as bad as FFXV or FFXVIsince 2010 those are the only games either series have released, so obviously the one with the better game wonMaybe these companies should release more games instead of fucking around for 2 decades releasing fuck all
>>743513436>Persona 3-5 have better gameplay than any Final Fantasy game.I'll take FFVI over Persona 4 for gameplay any day of the week. Not even saying Persona 4 is bad, but FFVI's gameplay was actually a lot of fun having never played it before, Persona 4's gameplay just didn't hook me in the same way, it felt like it was trying to streamline traditional JRPG combat tropes but it didn't quite gel. I finished FFVI, but did finish Persona 4. I intend to get back to it, but I think you're assessment of FF's gameplay is very incorrect.
>>743555089on top of this, persona 4 was bad but it was better than FFXIII, so the trend of persona being slightly better goes back even further than 2010
>>743554937Makes me curious about now since zoomers are old now.
>be Final Fantasy >currently on game number 16 (not really)>the last good game was 10 >over 20 years agothat's how you lose relevance.
>>743555172neither series has released a game in over a decade. most zoomers grew up without either franchise releasing a single game throughout their entire childhood. These companies just don't make games anymore
>>743555185they're lucky to still be around at all
>>743533061>that coy smileShe's so clearly into it
>>743555185>Gets threads everyday and every game is still compared to FF
>>743555524Klonoa gets threads every day. So what?
>>743555225Precisely. When P5 released zoomers were teens and millennials were young, nowadays both groups are too old and gacha took a lot of the fandom.Though I like Rebirth combat system but for me I would love a P1/2/2 remakes and SMT4 Remasters over P4 remake
>>743555601Ok? You would think new jrpgs would be compared to non ff ones.
>>743500759>How did Persona manage to get more popular than Final Fantasy?I know it sounds strange, but having 20 years of continuous good games as opposed to 20 years of continuous shit ones tends to do that.
>>743555959ff used to be the king, so it's fun to point and laugh at it when a new king comes along and the old king is a shambling zombie, and the loyalists are mindbroken schizos with battered housewife syndrome
>Okay, FF12 was a bit of a stumble, but we can move forward>Er, we kind of sharted a little with FF13, but surely we can recover >BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP UH OH STINKY POO POO FF15>I'M TRYING TO WIPE WITH FF16 BUT IT'S JUST SMEARING MY ASS
>>743555959Because they never got over their best girlfriend now ex. New ones can't compete against the good ones and never will
>>743556225>New ones can't competelmao sure. you can't imagine anyone liking any other games more than FFXIII or XV or XVI? get a grip
>>743553864mobile slop gachas don’t count for obvious reasons
>>743556225Makes sense, surprised how fast people forgot about DQ11
>>743556225Don't you refuse to accept anyone liking any game more than even the worst FF game? I think you're the one who has a problem letting go. You've spent many years seething at everyone for liking anything other than FF. You're even angry about anyone disliking FFXVII for any reason at all, and that game won't even be out for another 10 years.
>>743556494SaGa is not mobile though
>>743500879>Good traditional JRPGBit of an oxymoron.
>>743556503>Makes senseThanks. You always have my back.
>>743556545Emerald Beyond certainly feels like a mobile game at times.
>>743510690Thats because Shitfa and Flower slut fags are annoying.Which is a bit perculiar since both those whores still have better fanbases than 90% of Personasluts. Give me either of those bitches or Yuffie over shit like Chie or any of the P5 deluded and cancerous fanbases anyday.
>>743505494SE suits are the biggest retards in vidya.
>>743534698Italy has a President, as well as a Prime Minister.
Tifa lost
>>743560249Tifa is like their most profitable waifu.
>>743558363Mattarella is a well known Tifafag.
>>743500879Never wasBut in any case good has never meant anything in sales
>>743500759Final Fantasy spent the last decade + sitting on it's ass doing fucking nothing of value and pissing away all the good will it had built up on shitty FF13 spin-offs. The mmos and FF7 Remake are good but not everyone gels with MMOs and FF7 Remake is 1/3rd of a game.
>>743533061Berlusconi is smiling approvingly down from heaven at this.
Tifa is a loser
>>743504692Remember when S-E called western games that sold 5M+ "disappointing"? lmao
>>743563990Nomura's nasty secondhand fap material he plagiarized her (but removed her perky nipples and added some belts) as "Tifa"https://i.4cdn.org/v/1783779021938830.jpg from an actual 1993(=97-4) porn game's catfight sceneis never anything else than a ryonabait to genuine fighters. https://i.4cdn.org/vg/1784351935299395.jpg
>>743500759How many Persona games reached 5 million sales in 4 months? Correct, none of them. OP is just a mentally retarded turn troon that denies reality and spends his entire day bumping his shitty thread. kek
>>743500759Bonus: How many Persona characters are in Street Fighter? Correct, none of them. kekarooooo. :3
>>743564729>shipped and digitally soldstill funny
>>743555524I don't think you understand. The problem is new ff gamesPeople still talk about the old ones because those are good.When was the last ff16 thread?
>>743564729Post Rebirth sales
>>743564770>Streetshitter FighterNobody cares.
The white man's franchise.
>>743568415That would be E33.
