When did Dota lose its vision?
Like that's how I remember it
When it stopped being a warcraft 3 mod.
>>743549854For me it was either when they added bounty runes or when they added cooldown reduction items and spell lifesteal. I mean shit, the items even looked like something from LoL.
>>743549854When they cancelled TI back in 2020, only Russians Peruvians and SEA play Dota now
>>743550049I mean they had to do something with spell casters, it felt kinda akward how every spell caster turned into a right clicker as the game went on
>less faggots like OP in the gameGOOD
>>743550249How does it feel to see 5 couriers in the base at the start of the game?They pandered to normies so hard it's sad
>>743549854when they gave everyone free gold, true dota was a 6 slotted spectre on the same team as a crystal maiden with a pair of boots and a consumable
>hero talents>everyone gets a courier>wards cost 0 gold>bounty rune>certain heroes getting stun time reduction >different art style for new heroes>creeps dropping items>techies rework
>>743549854I don't play Dota, why did people hate her?
>>743551340She looks out of place in the game, both in appearance and gameplay
>>743551397but shes sexo so who cares
>>743549854This show fucked me up and made me really sad.
>>743549909spbp
>>743549854Making a janky user map into MTX slop with Chinese knockoff Warcraft designs was never very inspired.
>>743551447manchild or literal child?
its better then ever
>>743549854Campo santo has no clue how to design innates. Sniper's passive impetus which is not only a straight damage multiplier but it also scales with levels, which is retarded broken design. Innates should not scale with levels like that.
>the herald camposchizo found the thread
>>743550325>less faggots like you in the gameGOOD!
>>743551928It's fewer, not less, you ESL retard
Removing talents was a great decision. Not me defending a billion dollar company, but clearly they dont care either way about the game. There was at a minimum 2 talents for 127 heroes, most of which are a default pick. So every patch that's 254 things the devs need to consider. Just removing them speeds up patch development in my opinion. They were an unsuccessful experiment and the game doesnt have the development behind it to make it work.
>>743549854Kez and Snapfire looks like pixar/disney characters and Hoodwink is too sexy
>>743552643>I'm just a little squirrel
When they started doing model reworks
>>743551221>everyone gets a courierThis was the worstFighting over the courier was dota culture
>>743553142og Dota2 art direction was superior. grim and grimey but in a good way; the UI was tasteful too. now it's this faggy futuristic minimalism again and don't even get me started on the quippy sarcastic dialogue in the menus when there are any events with some furfaggot goat etc. clearly the same writer(s) they have for deadcock and it fucking SUCKS
>>743549854not only it was always worse than league it declined in quality significantly faster too
>>743553434league has a literal niggerfaggot character and hosts pride month. you lost
>>743549854When they added ranked. I understand that they had to but that was the moment the game went from 10 people having fun to 10 people hating themselves and everyone around them
when they changed techies from who he was to another pos 4
When they removed Techies, so 7.00
>>743549854Never played Dota, game for retards, so can't answer your questionCame here to say: Mating press
>>743554468>>743554520spamming mines on rune spots for 10 minutes straight and ocassionaly killing himself to damage the enemy?
>>743549854i think around when the monkey king hero came out
>>743554554techies was a unique hero that made you play in a different way, when they made him like everyone else it gave you no reason to play him when other options exist
>>743551221They for sure fucked up and casualized the game. I'm glad I quit shortly after 7.0.
>>743554554soul
>>743549854The game never felt the same to me after 7.0. Could also be an age thing; At some point it becomes hard to form groups to play with when everyone is older, and frankly organized 5v5 is the only way I could enjoy DotA. As a solo game it's terrible.
A lot of things have gone wrong, but one clearly visible downward spiral is the hero design. Beta was better than release but release was still fine, now all we get are quippy fursonas that look like they came from e621.
>>743549854This bitch seems so out of place, like a literal dev's OC donut steel
I still remember the rat international by alliance Only game I enjoyed watching as eSports unironically
>>743549854When they started adding league of legends design philosophy characters. Basically after monkey King was released and every subsequent character afterwards
>>7435498547.0, the cracks started to show when they caved to the chinks and sawed up Pudges belly
>>743550206GAMES DID NOT GO TO 6 SLOTS IN GOOD OLD DOTA AND ORB EFFECTS DID NOT STACK. they did not have to do jack-shit. the game was changed this way for the fucking moron 'i-love-dota-but-its-too-hard' larpers to join and buy cosmetics. it was a slow death but quick when dota stilborne killed it for good. end of thread
>>743555118>girl who does karate is so out of place in DotA 2, a game which also features characters like girl with a magical staff and girl with bow
>>743556468Dude, she looks like a custom character from angel arena or some shit. Literally amateurish OC
>>743556437>GAMES DID NOT GO TO 6 SLOTS IN GOOD OLD DOTAThey did just as often as now, in fact games are too short these days and seldom go beyond 35 minutes
>>7435498547.0 killed the game.
>>743556601no. only noob games let people farm that long. you'd see 3 items max before ending the game unless its a play-for-fun lobby where people swapped teams in the middle. we would have no crutch but pure mechanical skills. no items, no fucking gimmicks.
>>743556586it's literally just some chick with brown hair who does karate. I don't think her design is great or anything (nothing from the dogshit anime is) but there's nothing particularly objectionable about her design.Maybe if she had the tell-tale signs of tryhard, overdesigned OCs, multicolored hair, overwrought asymmetrical outfit, heterochromia, etc., I might agree with you but she has none of that.
>>743556743Techies truly was the only thing that kept people playing
>>743556760Exactly, just like these days when games end long before anyone gets 6slotted.
I just started playing again after dipping my toe in for about 30 hours 5 years ago. Now I am about 20 more hours in and I am loving it. Good to see the old heads in the thread complaining, I assume most of you still play. Lost to a very high level Marci yesterday who was knocking the shit out of me so considering giving her a try today.
>>743556796Reporting every techies player, every patch, regardless of everything.
jungle items. extra league of legends bullshit items like that falcon sword shit. it is not the same game, juan nguyen
>>743556836Brown boots and soul ring is a far cry from jungle items and the new plethora of interim items that are present in league of the ancients 2.
>>743556861Techies was removed from the game though
>>743549854it never had one, icefrog is a retard
>>743557042Only noob games go on long enough for anyone to get 6slotted.
>>743551221>everyone gets a couriergood, too many griefers and retards around to trust with a single courier>wards cost 0 goldanother good change, support shouldnt be a designated no fun allowed slave role
>>743556781canonically she is a mute maidshes basically a Touhoe OC
>>743557042>new plethora of interim items that are present in league of the ancients 2.if we're going to arbitrarily exclude boots and soul ring from this category, then this "plethora of items" would include like 4 fucking things: falcon blade, bracer, wraith band, and talisman.
>>743557262canonically, she's animirana's sidekick and bodyguard, which is why they're dressed similarly
>>743551221Techies rework was the last straw for me.techies was so special, so fun. Got hundred of hours of fun out of they/them.the new techies is straight up dog shit, lol lego wannabe hero
>>743557370meant for >>743557143
>>743557370thats a man(male)
>>743557375new techies has no soul, old techies literally changed the way the game had to be played, gem was pretty much mandatory, etc.
>>743557370she started out as a maid, then helped Mirana as a kid so she turned into a fighting sidekick
when they start nerfing fun shits like 4x Bfury Ember. RIP my fire lord ozai build.
>>743553142OG Skeleton King was the way the game was meant to be played. Once he turned into Wraith King, you knew it was over.
u know they dont know what the shit they are doing with all the BKB and magic immune/magic resist changesit changed back and forth for likes 10 times already, wat a fucking faggot balace team
>>743557418it's ma'am.
>>743549898wow, a lot of memorable characters here such as...and the...
I 100% believe that she is Mars and Dawnbreaker's illegitimate daughter. Just look at this fucking set, and her light-imbued skills, her NAME. The set is called LAURELS (greek shit) of the DAWN(breaker)STAR. All signs point to her being a demigod.
>>743549898>>743557810i miss the one with rylai tits the most
>>743549854I honestly don't have any issue with Marci being as basic as she is, because her being just a regular fella makes her insanely unique in this cast of weirdosShe's the biggest fish out of water in the hero selection for being so regular. The instant they add a second character like her though is when I'd actually be upset
>>743555070The beta Bane looks like some lazily designed SCP. New Bane has way more personality.
mother cums
Modern Dota has Primal Beast so it's alright with me.
>>743555070Seriously wat up wwith all those furry faggot heroes? likes back to back 3 furry faggot heroes, its likes the fetish of some dev its disgusting
>>743558317I AM SICK OF PRIMAL BEASTHE IS A REAL HEROONLY MAGIC DAMAGE/SPELL DAMAGE AND CONSISTENT SURVIVABILTIY (UPROAR)HARD LEVELING PICKS IN LANING (WHETHER I WANT MORE DAMAGE OR UPROAR) HE IS WHAT AN OFFLANER -SHOULD BE- AND DOTA -DIDNT HAVE-HE IS HARD TO PLAY WITH NOOBS AS HES JUST A TARGET
>>743549854why does this look blender porn coded?
When they gave Axe a weapon skin that wasn't an axe.
>>743558542that big ass sword with eye on it looks cool as fuck I regret exchange it for some faggot PL spear on d2 trade back in the day
>>743557370>selling a model upgrade as an ArcanaValve are financial geniuses.
>>743558182Sure, maybe, but it's not debateable that either design is miles better than this.>>743558445It's pretty clear whoever was in charge of art direction in beta is no longer in charge of art direction.
>>743558967its really not an upgrade though? its the shit anime version, same as dk
>>743559214Drew Wolf?https://www.drewwolf.com/Yeah he left Valve.He designed the 112 heroes that were in the WarCraft 3 mod.Not sure if he was involved with Monkey King, but after that the artstyle was in disarray and all over the place.
>>743559214>largo>Kez>Hoodwink they must have hired some furry in 2020
>>743549854>When did Dota lose its vision?When they originally started making goyslop remakes of old heroes and removed basher stacking all the way back in 6.50 or somethingModern Dota 2 is every problem started back then x1000
>>743559434>after that the artstyle was in disarray and all over the place.with all the retarded cosmetics they clearly don't give a shit. they have gone against their fundamental rules about the design of character cosmetics that they put on their workshop tools website.
>>743559214They should have kept making heroes based on wc3 models>Turtle>Siege tank>Mortar team>Sludge monster>ZeppelinEtc, would have been kino
I love how every one of these games has a “when did everything go wrong” thing. DotaLeagueSmiteJust sad.
Old venomancer was sexNew venomancer nty
>>743559665standard for any GaS
>>743559613yep this would make things more grounded in the not-warcraft universe. All those furry shits designs are disgusting. And all of them are forgotten after 2 weeks. Everyone keeps coming back for the OG heroes
>>743556437>GAMES DID NOT GO TO 6 SLOTS IN GOOD OLD DOTA AND ORB EFFECTS DID NOT STACK.Yeah they went to 12 slots with Lone Druid lol
>>743559606>Cowboy Ursa was "too far">First unlockable cosmetic in the current event lets you dress PA up as a jester
>>743559745theres so many cosmetics that legitimately make them look like other heroes its retarded. there's no visual clarity at all now.
>>7435498547.00 with the final defecation in 7.07.
>>743549854I miss the real dota
>>743549854Dota 2 was most fun in the early beta when nobody knew what they were doing, there was no punishment for leaving the match, and people oscillated between trolling and meme builds to locking the fuck in to win a close match.The game officially died for me in 2015 when they changed engines. It was already going downhill when it left the beta in 2013, mainly because of the influx of retards that copied how crybabies like Arteezy or EternalEnvy (and many others) acted when streaming. I don't remember exactly when they implemented the draconian system of punishments so that even talking shit can get you BANNED FROM THE FUCKING MATCHMAKING, but that was a factor as well. I already quit the game when they added talents (the most atrocious direction to take the game in to date), but I remember seeing a video about it on Youtube and just shaking my head. When they added Pangolier I laughed out loud, he's 1:1 a LoL character. What the fuck were they thinking? I don't know to this day.I tried to come back to the game, but I gave up completely after a few tries over the years. I genuinely can't think of a more miserable experience than playing Dota 2 in 2026. It felt like being a prisoner in the Stanford Prison Experiment. There are only two types of players left - le wholesome reddit chungus and the legendary retard slav Ivan of Ural who somehow managed to dodge the draft, and both are annoying in equal measure (and equally likely to report you for literally anything). The game is completely unrecognizable, and they keep changing everything every other patch. You are being held hostage for 40-60 minutes on average per match, and somehow both wins and losses feel completely hollow and unearned. If you get reported, leave the match, do anything at all, you will probably have to go through the low priority humiliation ritual. I don't understand how people still play this.I enjoyed jerking off to loli Pugna.
>>743551416The non-retarded do.
>>743559707And aside from keeping things WC3, limitations build creativity and wc3 units were usually not designed with main character syndrome, especially nonhero units, so they are very specialized and niche and just beg for a unique skill set. Like>Siege tankGive it unique turning mechanics, fire on the move, running people over, weak points, etc>Sludge monster Can split into smaller slimes, paying health to do so>Mortar team Super long range damage dealer, maybe even with a minimum range>TurtleHas the devour mechanic, can eat enemy heroes, retract into its shellMeanwhile>Furry with sword>Furry with sword>Furry with bowIt just doesn't lend itself to creative concepts
>>743551340She's a character created for the animated series tie-in. Which itself isn't a problem, but she's a relatively minor supporting character, when they could have added a more prominent/interesting character from the show.Or at the very least, a persona for Invoker's daughter with her massive tits.
>>743559606Same with TF2But does Dota 2 have to deal with a cosmetics cartel, that never actually played this game but get very defensive about their cosmetics/income and viciously attack and make fun of people who criticize the items clashing with the artstyle?Usually reddit sides with them as well and bemoan the gatekeeping and pureism.
7.0
pango>furry with swordhoodlum>furry with crossbowkez>furry with swordlago>furry with guitarWHO THE FUCK ASKED FOR THIS
>>743556861>proud of being a drooling retardDo 63pugnapedos really?
>>743560020>tfw Kel'Snippety the Demon Krab never ever
>>743557101>support shouldnt be a designated no fun allowed slave roleThis is more of a carry buff because they can now buy their own wards if needs be for 0 gold
>>743549854When Icefrog left
>>743560189I did.Auroth is my waifu too.
>>743560207>proud of being a drooling retardIf he's reporting techies players then he can't be one himself.
>>743560218Schnippen schnappen
>>743560042>a persona for Invoker's daughter with her massive tits.since the whole anime is basically about her you would think they'd add something related to her and maybe a Selemene skin or something.
>>743560132the original nfts
>>743550206You may not know this but a naked level 4 nuke used to chunk cores when things like weaver had 1.5 str gain and gpm was half what it is now
>>743559434Fuuuuck, that's it. His art style is synonymous with dota. Such a shame.
>>743560275>This is more of a carry buff because they can now buy their own wards if needs be for 0 goldthey only ever buy them when they are pissed off with supps and then put them somewhere where they instantly get dewarded
>>743559665>I love how every one of these games>gamesyou mean the whole world
>>743560020Snapfire is the mortar team.
>Blizzard fucked up the WC3 remake so we never got Dota 1 backsasuga
>>743549854when they started deadlock
>bro this hero is hard to use because it has more buttons to press!>*Hero abilities actually have no counterplay and are easier to use*Fuck kez and fuck invokerCompare kez's mess of abilities with something like omnislash.It can be minimised with a eul or invisibility forcing juggernaut to carry true sight, has short cast range so build a blink or rely on teammate's initiation etcMeanwhile kez just walks in presses a button and crits a chromosphere -size aoe around him over and over, or presses a button and goes invisible, or escapes/initiates by hooking a treeLike 4 different hard carry skillets rolled into one because "oh he has to press the swap button so it's fair" fuck off kez die nigger bird
>>743560302The definition of a retard, wasting reports, lowering his accounts report weight and being too stupid to keep a sentry/gem when sieging or not running straight down a lane.>>743560302
>>743560661i honestly think kez might be some valve employees fursona
>>743560719That's not the definition of a retard?>(offensive, dated) A person with mental retardation.>(informal, offensive) A person or being who is extremely stupid or slow to learn.There is no "report weight", and only a Techies fan could be convinced that something like that exists on account of his low IQ. The current reporting system is built to encourage players to report more, so I don't know how stupid you'd have to be to think it would somehow "lower report weight" to use the system as intended.
>>743560780>Expressionless animal face that is impossible to connect with unless it's your creation >Quotes like "Uhmmmm... here I go I guess!!! *Anime sweat drop*"I'd be shocked if he wasn't
>everyone has their own courier HOLY KEK really? It's been like 8 years since I last played, that's so fucking funny
>>743558445>>743559461yeah this shit is just as tasteless as it gets. same coombrain faggot does deadlock designs and it shows. hate such stylization dillution with a passion
>>743550206Not really, Dota used to be about heroes and roles being good at different stages of the game, obviously it is still true to *some* extent but it is clear that they heavily reduced it over the years.
>>743561135Not only that, it levels up with you and automatically upgrades to the flying version when you hit level 4 (or was it 6?)
>>743559434>Untitled Fantasy GameRemember Valve used to work on a Fairy RPG about 15 years ago?Now I remember again...
>>743561135that was a change that was actually good and kept the flow of the game, back in the day one person could courier snipe and legitimately win the game by doing it.
>>743561479>back in the day one person could courier snipe and legitimately win the game by doing itand that was a good thingit's just one of the many, many changes that surgically removed any remnants of soul from the game to make it the most miserable compslop in existence
>guy who stopped playing 8 years ago thinks his opinion mattersWhat causes this?
The game in its current state is less casual and that is awful for solo pubs>Supports arnt just brownboots slavesSo now supporting requires more skill in good itemization for the teams needs and have no excuses for not having utility instead of being carried by cores. You will notice the difference between a greedy support larping as a core and an actual support far more>Bounty runes, tormentor, jungle/neutral item slots. roshan buffs etc.encouraging him to be taken multiple times.The game having more objectives to contest is inherently less casual and punishes pubs for dicking around>Bigger mapIts the same amount of gold spread out, forcing cores to gitgud with farming patterns to make the same amount of gold than before.While supports have to actually pick and choose where to ward because there just isnt enough to ward and sentry the whole half of the mapXPM was nerfed so laning matters more.The end result is a game more complex thats far easier to fuck up on a macro level, the level nobody in pubs but esports captain wannabes care about.You cant get away with ricing and pure mechanics which makes it far far easier to be griefedThe removal of solo offlaner, trilaner and jungler also contributed to the game feeling incredibly stale despite all the new additions.Facets felt like the one time valve bothered to shake things up, and they removed it because they couldnt be bothered to balance it out>>743561135I know solo courier is nostalgic but i genuinely do not miss the shitstorms it caused every time.I miss courier sniping mattering and they should make courier take way longer to respawn if killed.
>>743561609post a screenshot proof of when you started playing dota 2if you didn't at least start playing during the beta then stay quiet when adults are talking
>>743561561having one courier was torturous, no one respected that you were using it even when it was coming to you and only had your items.. and of course mid always got priority.
>>743561705Literally got a key in the closed beta nigger
>>743557810Slardar? Tiny? QoP? Omniknight? Juggernaut? Chaos Knight? THD? Strygwyr? DP?They're all there, bro>>743559214Kez is mechanically wonderful but I hate him on a visual and writing level. Imagine if he got the love that vanilla Dota 2 gave
>>743561740sure did lmao
>>743561706also forgot how common courier feeding was and that you could drop your teammates items around the map from the courier. it was great from people who were throwing the game
>>743559434fuck that guy was good. valve dropped the ball so hard it's unbelievable
>>743561808Nigger I can't be bothered to prove it to you for I do not give half a shit about your opinion But I meant it, why do you think your opinion matters? You even stopped playing before the change you say was bad happened so why should the game cater to you?
>>743561994>I can't be bothered to prove it to youyeah I know cause you weren't there. now fuck off play some banjo fagfrog
>>743549854When IceFrog took over
>>743561479>back in the day players could gain an advantage by playing against a retarded team that cant ward their junglegenuine unironic fucking skill issue, removing shit from the game because it required braincells and teamwork is stupid, period.
>>743561740>i got a key in the closed beta n-nigger!>doesn't even have a screenshot for proofwhat causes this?>>743561994>i absolutely don't care but i will keep typing and arguing for longer than it would take me to post a screenshotwhat causes this?
>>743549854for me when the map was enlarged, and neutral items got in, cba to relearn the whole game.
>>743553585i like dark willow's geographically ambiguous accent
>>743562083do you remember how much wards used to cost? basically buying the cour and the 1 set of wards set you back 400 gold. being a supp back then was hell.
>>743555118she was a character made for the netflix show (that ignored all of the established lore and substituted it's own) and then backported to dota to appease waifufags.
>>743562370if you bought sentries as well that was all your gold. so you'd go into lane with nothing but wards. kek. they really hated supps.
>>743562083>removing shit from the game because it required braincells and teamwork is stupidyou removed yourself from the game before this change happened so what's the point of arguing that it was bad?
>>743562453don't forget when they added the tango sharing feature so that you had to buy it as well and share it with your mid or else he'd throw a fit
>>743562472because its 4chan and i can argue about whatever pointless bullshit i want. dota 2 is and always was shit (like all moba) but i at least respected it for being less casual than it's competitor LoL. making it easier for retards because "waah griefers" is dumb as hell
>>743562570you didnt start the game with a tp from what i remember and they took up a slot and they cost an extra 130 gold and they didnt give a fresh one on death.. so as a supp you'd be walking to lane most of the time. you'd not be able to tp to help out other lanes and if you did it was extremely expensive.
>>743562607>is and always was shitAh there it is, thanks for being honest, anon.Good to know I could smell your post were cope from the start. I play rts games so I see seething tourists like you every single time they're discussed see, I got experience.
>The one interesting feature they put out after 7.00 was hero facets>They remove themValve is retarded. The dota team is like the youtube dev team. They just break shit every once in a while to look busy
>>7435498547.00 was the turning point for me. Im surprised we haven't seen dota classic yet
>>743562845yes high school - college me had shit taste in games, i'll never get those thousands of hours back and i'm still seething about it >Good to know I could smell your post were copefix your english before smugposting, its embarrassing
>>743562856>have rotating devs work on the game>most of them probably have no idea what a bunch of the code is doing>probably have a shit ton of deprecated code you cant even touch because it might offset a fucking pixel on the menu
>>743562978>f-fix y-your e-e-e-away with you vile beggar
Like others have said, I quit after 7.00. It was the beginning of the LoLification of Dota.
>>743562607this. the most retarded thing was to make the competitive shit the bread and butter of all matchmakingsuddenly everybody started acting like every run of the mill pub match was The International TM with bazillions of dollars on the linepub matches have always been a mixed bag and you either accepted that you might get an allied tiny tossing you into the enemy on mid or a guy buying a bunch of couriers to suicide them, or a guy randomly leaving the match which honestly led to some of the most hilarious games sometimes because back then people liked playing the game and sometimes just stayed, instead of moving on to farm more virtual points, or you formed a stack with your buds, or you played in a private lobby vs another stacknowadays you can't even play meme modes like turbo without somebody seething like he's playing in a tournament match
>>743559665You don't stick around for over 20 years without making some people buttmad along the way, you retard. Nothing lasts forever either.
>>743563094In another, better timeline Dota was LOLIfied instead. Imagine.
>>743563095>nowadays you can't even play meme modes like turbo without somebody seething like he's playing in a tournament matcheveryone who plays turbo is a dedicated turbo player who thinks its important and will mald if you don't pick meta heroes. this game is fucking cancer.
>>743560614>Shotgun blast>Jump>Machine gunNah i don't fuking fink so ?8
>>743563301retard
>>743561609When people stop playing a game after a long time they look for validation of their choice, so they often hang around and just post dumb stuff. Makes them feel like they made the correct choice and they don't care about things being real or true.
>>743561705>started playing >dota 2Get out of my face you filthy newfag.
>>743563206fairy loli, goddam who keeps commissioning this shit?
>>743563360>people come into the thread for shitting on the game to shit on the gamewoah...
>>743563282>>743563095all PvP games fall pray to this.Even L4D2 versus, which has no rank, elo or reward of any kind for winning, had one of the most notoriously toxic and stick-in-the-mud community around.Dedicated "messing around" modes or unranked don't help either because nothing stop midwits that are scared of ranked to tryhard, sweat and rage in unranked.
>>743563094>you know when they removed boring +2 to all stats and gave you actual choices that you had to think about?>that was LoLification>because LoL had it and LoL is casual based retard
>>743563342Even if they explicitly claimed she was based on the mortar team it would still not be workable with the mortar team model.
The game got exponentially harder so shitters have to cope by pretending it's actually easier (they don't play the game but they know it's easier just because)
>>743563501i always got more reports from unranked and turbo than ranked.
Dota is just the best, bros.
>>743563609this includes the enemy team mass reporting you for winning. unranked has some of the sweatiest saddest fucks in the game
>>743563558>shrapnel blast >rapid fire>rocket jump>mortar barrageIt's the mortar team, the lizard she rides on is even named MORTimer
>>743563678>MORTimerhes not wrong
>>743557810From left to right - omniknight, tiny, slardar, akasha, jakiro, enchantress, bloodseeker, chaos knight, yurnero, krobelus, other illusions of CK
>>743563509Right, cherrypick one specific thing and not the dozens of other decisions casualizing the game from everybody getting a courier to allowing people to teleport to more places with outposts etc.
>>743549854>its vision?Probably when all the heroes from W3 were finally incorporated and they had to start 'innovating' directly in D2. It was something very noticeable years ago with things like: >Patch A incorporates synergy with fire in heroes like brewmaster (similar to panda in w3) >Removed shortly after because reddit didn't like it.>Remove secret shop because.... because.>Add shrines/mini fountains in base and around the map>removed some patchs laterThe latest one are the facets>Addsfacets (only for half of the heroes, the other half has 1 usable facet, 1 excrement facet)>remove the 'abusable' ones like reviving faster, nerf the good ones, tweak the bad ones>"you know what... let's remove facets entirely!"They just throw things out randomly, barely thought through, and if there's no 'drama' they don't even bother to check the game.
>>743563816>Remove secret shop because.... because.i'm guessing you mean sideshops
>>743563816they got a lot of good or at least interesting ideas from the facet system that ended up being added to the heroes' default kitsI liked the facets when both options gave you very different but both viable playstyles, but the modern dota community is too metaslave to have fun with it.
>>743563816SHRINES WERE LEGIT THE DUMBEST THING I THINK THEY EVER PUT IN DOTAIF YOU WANT TO LOOK WHERE BAD IS, LOOK AT SHRINESFREE REGEN AT ALL STAGES OF THE GAME THAT MAKES IT LITERALLY "ENEMIES CANT GO THERE" WHEN ACTIVATED FOR 5 FUCKING SECONDSIT WAS LITERALLY GAY
>>743553585sssseeeeeeeexxxxxxxxxxx
>>743563816You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, half of what you said is just nonsense.
Why would you ever play modern dota when deadlock exists?
I had to stop picking Marci because I was winning too many games and people kept saying I was smurfing. I would get 15 kills minimum every single game I played and it wasn't uncommon for me to get 20+ kills in almost every single match. The hero's broken and it's dishonest to play as Marci.
Hoodwink is a dota allstars hero
i think the moment dota 2 expanded the map just for the sake of doing it they lost everything that made it fun. like yeah it is kind of cool to have a large map, but not even as secondary map? like, why cant we have two maps if they wanted to make a larger variant?valve sucks to be desu with u familia.
>try dota for the first time, never played a moba>its fun>but the playerbase is full of jaded faggots like all of you in this thread that've been playing the same game for a decadecheck it out i got all of Marci's costumes from a trader. anyway i'm gonna go play other video games because why would i play the same thing for 8000 hours
>>743565065Deadflop exposed IceFraud
>>743565004they didn't add shrines and then remove them? they didn't remove the side shop? they didn't change the brew's W to work more like the pandaren's drunken haze+fire combo in W3 and then revert the changes in less than a week?? they didn't add facets and then remove them? What's next, they actually didn't promise a cycle of patches every two weeks that they discontinued after 1 month?
>>743565341>jaded faggots like all of you in this thread that've been playing the same game for a decadeMany such cases!
>>743565385Icefrog? Who is this "icefrog" you're talking about? The lead dev for deadlock is yoshi, haha.
>>743565584Icefrog is a muslem. creation and art and shit are harambe in muslem cunture. if they know, they will hang icefucker. thats why they have to keep it a secret
>>743565341>check it out i got all of Marci's costumes from a traderholy based
>>743565686art, music, idols and gaming are all Haram according to islamic culture yeah. maybe we should start chasing out all muslims from culture they deem haram to keep shit clean for them. "we are doing this for you: stay out so you won't be offended. art is free from religious authority."
>>743565341>marciyou didn't beat the game
I think its widely accepted that 7.0 was when Dota 2 became a completely different game.
>>743565943Yes, that's when they deleted the Real Techies.
>>743555070IS THAT A SKELETON IN MY CHINESE GAME
>>743565904forced them to eat bacon caked in shit. reeducation camp. Chyna get it done
>>743565939Marci thread. Marci board.
>>743565904>art, music, idols and gaming are all Haram according to islamic cultureThats just faggots choosing to read certain passages to fit their own definition.
>>743549854When Volvo hot its hands on it.
>>743566082mudslime detected. allah sucks my dick
>>743559838I still can't understand for the life of me how a LS arcana that makes it literally impossible to tell when he is raged or not made the cutthat is literally an advantage by having a skin and not only that but it's ugly as fuck too
>>743566202I dont care retard send me the picture of mohammad too. I genuinely dont care
>>743549854>When did Dota lose its vision?With dota 2it was over when they decided to make that and every retard i played wc3 dota with stopped playing it and moved on to dota 2 and then dropped itpiece of fucking garbage bullshitand i'm the one who got the closed beta invites for all like a retard thinking it will just be a funny little side thing we can check out for a little bit and then go back to the superior gamebut nooo those retards kept playing and playing and playing and whenever i'd say hey why not do warcraft 3 today? they'd all go naaah we're playing dota 2 bludfucking fuck valve, fuck 'emmade me refund my steam account right then and there in 2012 (before even full release i think but already when most people left for this piece of shit) and never open their garbage platform ever againbut anyway i always preferred hon desu, it was like the funnier cringier version that didn't take itself seriously and was so broken beyond belief but in a kind of funny way more than infuriating wayrest in piss though, it also just kept getting worse and worsethe moral of the story here is that everything gets worse with time, including youyou just get old and closer to death just like all these piece of shit gamesentropy is a bitchthe world is a fuckit all keeps getting worse and then diesfuck you
>>743549854>/v/ unironically discuss DOTAI swear to god this game had 0 fanbase and bunch at the same time
can ursa still early solo rosh?
>>743566245yeah just to be clear here you a mud slime?
>>743549854I think we can all agree it's when they added the neutrals items
this game's a fucking sausage fest
>>743549854When they started referring to heroes by a name instead of a title.
>>743557101>good, too many griefers and retards around to trust with a single courierIf your team has a griefer then having a personal courier isn't going to change the outcome since you're playing a 4v6.
>>743566425Momci..
>>743566425back in my day people jerked off to badly made sfm animations of crystal maiden sucking a dog off. the drought was so strong it took a pugna to be the best girlyou don't know how good you have it
>>743550206Nah.Farm meta is just too fucking insane.
>>743566082mohammed is a pedophile, so are you.
Valve just can't into vidya games, nearly every change they've done for Dota has been bad.And all the new heroes they've added are like LoL heroes but worse
>>743550325>steals the sole courier with autoclicker cheatSorry goy, I need that clarity potion more than you need BKB
>>743567078they bought the genius devs and their lightning in the bottle and then ruined them with their retardation
>>743567341It doesn't help that Redidt is pretty much the official forum for the game and they actually fucking listen to reddit and will change stuff if reddit cries about it.
>>743549854Around the time where kills and assists gave so much gold that Spectre became the best 1 in the game and Spectre has been incredibly powerful ever since, because they didn't fix the underlying issues.Spectre is the sort of hero where if she's good, there's something wrong with the game fundamentally. In principle there should be a massive draft tax to picking Spectre, but that isn't the case. Kills are so rewarding that if you can set up a kill for Spectre whenever she has ult (whether that ult is Haunt or Shadow Step), you're probably just winning outright.But simultaneously the game is also too farm heavy for most 1s because getting kills is too risky in case of a turnaround. The economy of the game is just completely broken these days.You're in this weird bind where you're better off hitting creeps all game, while kills are too punishing. The game is in this weird spot today where you are playing old dota (which kind of sucks), but with the crazy powerlevel and mobility of over 10 years of dota 2 buffs.Same applies to playing 2 and 3. Core gameplay has been going down the shitter since TI9. I'd need a supportcuck to give their opinion, but I assume they're very happy with the game rn.
>>743555070Please tell me the bottom pic is AI or some retarded skin and not his base model
>>743551340because she's half of a now classic pubstomping duo and these parties range from "unbeatable" on the enemy team to "utter dogshit" on yours.
>>743566405>>743562291>>743561648neutral is the dumbest and most retarded changes1 lucky drop and your heroes's weakness are gone1 lucky drop and you can counter the shit out of the enemydumb fucking RNG shit on top of other bullshit
>>743567716>Spectre has been incredibly powerful ever sinceSpectre hasn't been good for years.
>>743567828>Spectre hasn't been good for years.Spectre has been a problem since TI9 and she hasn't stopped being an issue.
Remember in DotA and how there existed an "easy mode" -em? Dota 2 is like that, but on crack. EVERYONE gets free gold, there's no resource management as everyone has so much HP/Mana regen and can send for me whenever. The game used to be more about methodical gameplay instead of just zoom zoom shit like league.I think the best way to describe nu-Dota is that it's bloated and "complicated" for the sake of it, but has a really low skill ceiling, while old dota was pretty simple with a really high skill ceiling. Heroes aren't unique anymore and every hero pretty much does the same.And it doesn't help that Valve is unironically really woke and just suck at game design nowadays, every hero we get it some pixar furry shit.
>>743566307/v/ used to have 24/7 dota 1 threads back in the day, but you're too new to remember thatBut moot thought it was better for people to shitpost and hornypost instead of talk about games people are actually playing and enjoying so he created /vg/
>>743567952Not really, she was at best a decent pick for a patch or so during the shadow step era, now she's mediocre at best again. The hero simply comes online too slowly.
>>743568040He created /vg/ because of Starcraft and lol, not dota my newfriend.
>>743568019t. hasn't played dota, current or old
>>743568019i remember when I had to be really really careful with each fissure use as earth shakermissed one and you really felt it. you fucking felt it in your stomach. your mana bar was gone. just likes that. on a missed fissure that failed to block the enemysoul ring was kinda an easy mode, and then u have neutral shit that gives fuck ton of mana/hp regen
>>743549854Its always looked pretty gay ever since it stopped being a warcraft mod
>>743568173I¨ve played Dota all my life. Played a lot of regular DotA and Dota 2 since the beta.
>>743568074Spectre was pretty good, yes. Still is, even with nerfed Phylactery. That's my point.A patch in which Spectre is good is bad for the game, because the sort of gameplay that allows her to be good is awful.That's my entire thesis.
>>743568234have you tried not being bad?
>>743568263Good thing she isn't particularly good this patch.
was making LC a girl woke?
>>743568320What does that have to do with the game being shit, retardkun?
>>743568341She is also not bad, she's very much a pickable 1, which is not where you want Spectre to be.Also, go address the rest of my post.
>>743568345the game is not made for low skill monkeys like youHalf the playerbase is ranked immortal or higher and at least half of them of them actually deserve that rank
>>743568341she's fine
>>743568453>>743568453I'm higher MMR than you, for sure. Despite barely playing this shit game anymore.
>>743568520only 7k5 matches world wide? seems low for a carry
>>743568341>>743568520Spectre is the second highest winrate 1 at high rank. She is "particularly good this patch".
>>743568578Literally never see her picked because she's shit in lane and this is a pos 3 patch. Only time she's picked is if the pos 3 is already revealed to be weak.
>>743568572That's filtered to 7k+ mmr games, she's #3 in pickrate at that level.
>>743568567Sure you are, you complain about the game being "low skill" when it's been made harder than ever. Old dota was easy as fuck, everyone just sucked at it. Remember that at one point farming patterns were considered revolutionary.
>>743565235holy sexo>>743565235
Any shoovers here?
>>743568629That's the whole point I am making. The economy of the game is broken. It literally doesn't matter that she is dogshit in lane (she isn't btw), because by pressing one button you can get a kill every 3 minutes and kills pay out so much that losing lane as pos 1 doesn't matter and 3s are strong as you correctly identified, that you're expected to lose lane as 1.You are making my point for me.Spectre is pickable in every game, even though she should not be.
>>743568754You didn't play DotA reddit zoom zoom, keep seething because you missed the magical experienced of one of the best games made.There's a reason that everyone stopped playing this crap after 7.00 and now the game is unironically dead in NA and EU (outside of russians)
>>743568884I accept your concession.
>>743566425Not sure why anyone's surprised, Valve was always like this. Just look at the mystery meat mutt in HL2 in 2004 when E3 still had hot women in bikinis dancing for visitors. Marci likely only got through because of some Saudi sheik wanting his waifu in the anime which then got her into the game, but you can absolutely forget another Lina in modern DOTA, I bet she only got in in that form to begin with because of IceFrog and the WC3 heroes. As soon as Valve got their way, they started niggering it up like with Legion Commander. That'd be fine if it had a consistent artstyle, I don't want the game to look like a gacha, but it's clear Valve has no problem shitting on the existing art direction by pandering to furfags with shit like Hoodwink and Kez. Also look at Deadlock and its recent redesigns, it's not looking good.Then people wonder why LoL has more hourly unique players than DOTA2 has yearly unique players.
>>743568882kill and lane doesnt matter shit anymore. just fuck off to the jungle for 20 mins. if this type of meta is nerfed then it cycles back to brawler meta.
has dota 2 get the abandonment treatment from valve yet?
I love nu-Dota and I heckin love BROOOOOLING!
>>743568882She needs a shitload of time to come online even with kill gold, when better carries farm faster and can get kills faster.
>>743568960>yethe doesnt know
>>743568960Like half a decade ago
>>743569017>>743569006really? why you niggas still play it then
>>743568939Yes, exactly.You are playing "dota 1 me pick antimage me hit creep in jungle 30 minutes garbage" or "dime du broool xDDD" with very little inbetween. The economy of the game is broken and nobody knows how to balance it so you can actually play dota and it's been broken since around when Spectre became a good hero, because she seamlessly fits into both play patterns.That's my argument.
>>743568974Better carries hit creeps for 30 minutes.Spectre does that too, but she also gets a kill every 3 minutes. That's my point.
>>743569056I rarely play it anymore, but this is the game I've played since a kid so I always come back now and then. But then I realize how awful nu-Dota is and how even more awful Valve is at maintaining and developing games.
>>743568960Kinda has since like, 2016? It never got much attention, then they promised renewed effort in the form of 1-2 heroes per year. It should tell you a lot if 1-2 heroes per year is their idea of "increasing effort". How about new maps? Gamemodes? I bet the one where you pick your own abilities is still basically non-functional despite being an official gamemode. Instead of a new map they fucked with the original one and now it's way worse, so now we're all forced to play on a single shitty map instead of being able to play others if we wish or just stick to the original.
>>743569126Better carries come online in 20 or 15 minutes, hit creeps faster than spectre, fight better and push better than spectre. Unless the game goes to 40+ minutes (never happens) spectre is just dead weight.
>>743568913yeah man league is so much betterhappy late pride month btw sister
Haven't played in like 3-4 years: is it still teamfight meta so the commentators/streamers can do pic related and onions scream at "le play"? Have they kept fucking with the abilities to the point where the game resembles Dota Imba more and more (again for "le plays")?
>>743569067yeah thats why I quit, it got boring after a while. They keep adding shits for the sake of "muh complex shit" but lack the IQ for overall state of the game. You just know Icefucker ditched the game and let the valve retards do whatever the fuck they want/think is cool and hecking awesome
>>743561479Back in the day couriers used to drop items.
spectre sucks for the one reason that she has no flash farm ability. Nearly all heroes can now fuck off even at like lvl 3 and 5 and just farm the jungle if they would get fucked in a line and clear a wave in an instant.Spectre has shit farming until she gets a radiance and also sucks at the lane compared to all the other powercrept carries atm.
>>743569236I don't play League retard, but I can recognize Riot puts way more effort, money, and care into LoL as well as actually pandering to their audience instead of FurAffinity. You can just look at Arcane vs the Dota anime for a clear comparison of which company actually cares for its game.
>>743549854anything past 1.10 is garbage
>>743569327LMAO
>>743569213Spectre needs around 4000 NW to be useful, which is not a lot at all.
>>743569327Valve cares more about their game, because despite the problems it's not dogshit.
>>743569490>Valve cares more about their game,
>>743569490>Valve cares more about their game, because despite the problems it's not dogshit.you're not very informed to think they aren't trying to close dota 2 off and make it as automated as possible like with CS2 or TF2, aside from say keeping the patches interesting or having a few other people working on it since it is their golden child next to deadlock.
>>743569325See, that's my point.Spectre keeps winning games, even though she shouldn't because she is weak on paper.
I unironically wish companies would try and make Moba games again, it's been a decade since someone tried it.Dota and LoL are some of the most played games on PC and instead of trying to make a new successful Moba game companies spend close to billions trying to do shitty hero shooters.>>743569772No she doesn't
>>743563050dota2 devs actually comment that game code is very easy and pleasant to work with thofacets being removed might be to remove overwhelming burden of balancing that nightmare
>>743569801see>>743568520>>743568578literally the second best carry at 7k+ mmr
>>743569861No, she's never picked in immortal draft which isn't publicly logged. In my last 50 games I've seen maybe 2 spectres and they did nothing. SF and LD are the actually good carries.
>>743568520>>743569861Anon d2pt doesn't collect data from immortal draft, these stats are such a small sample size it doesn't matter.
Don't care. Still going to pick Hoodwink, buy 5 of those 33% crit crossbow and power treads and still lose the game, but I had fun so that's all that matters.Also honorary Razor while using a guide that's been out of date for like a decade.
>>743569986>>743570005She looks pretty good on dotabuff too.Opendota also has her at 53% with 12% pickrate.which stats website would you like?
>>743570107based
>>743570136>which stats website would you like?There's no stats for immortal draft games anymore, stat websites are now useless.
>>743570136How about a website that shows immortal draft games.
>tfw was playing dota on and off since wc3 modits just a good game, no other can give you the same experience >nooooooooo but the changes!if i wanted to play static game i have chess for that
>>743570213>dude trust meok, I accept your concession, please provide your immortal draft eligible account at your earliest convenicence.
>>743570254>dude trust meTrust me on what? Valve literally disabled public stats for immortal drafts because pros were crying about it... despite the fact they only pick the exact same meta shit in every pro game.
only thing this game lacks is female audience. in league you don't need to worry about your support players there are always heal sluts to support you in dota if you don't pick sup role que you won't get match over 10 mins. so it needs more purple themed heal slut heroes
>>743570312>No, she's never picked in immortal draft which isn't publicly logged. In my last 50 games I've seen maybe 2 spectres and they did nothing. SF and LD are the actually good carries.show that your last 50 game were played in the immortal draft gamemode.
>>743570371>only thing this game lacks is female audienceit lacks a white audience
>>743570254How about you actually play the game instead of looking at stats thinking your opinion matters.
>>743570384I never once mentioned her pick rate in immortal draft. I said that all the stat sites are totally useless as they don't track any immortal draft games and the sample size is tiny as fuck.
>>743549854is it worth getting into dota in 2026 or should I just play Deadlock
>>743570415you're the one who keeps saying Spectre is bad, but my 65% winrate in the 7.40 and 7.41 patches says something else.I'm not playing immortal draft, but I struggle to lose with her.
>>743570371Support is not the feminine role in dota. It's one of the big problem with the game. Support is about killing people early on and playing aggressively and enabling people to kill more people. "Healslutting" and buffing, generally female-coded play doesn't really exist in dota, because it's a game that fundamentally punishes inattention and passivity, while rewarding aggression.
>>743570371women (Russian) do play it though
>>743570482Ok, what rank are you? One of those ranks where games regularly go beyond 40 minutes?
>>743569253The huge map nerfed the amount of control you can have in spamming teamfights, so late game cores who can brool occasionally when cooldowns are down are good. Think Spectre, drow, PL etc.Zeus got a meme rework that lets him arclighting on right click and divine can be toggled to trade 200 of the 300 damage for +25% spell amp. So big global NUKE is also around.>>743570371Its not happening.the new hero about 7 months ago, Largo, is dota's closest equivalent to Sona (Musical themed buffing support) and hes a fat kiwi frog that requires spamming guitar hero.
>>743570526so why no one wants to play support role in this game if it is a manly thing to do?
>>743570573Mid 5k, so shitter bracket, but with less account buyers.Games with Spectre tend to run 30 to 50 minutes because a Spectre who isn't poor is an inevitable win down the line.Why are you so married to the idea that Spectre is bad? I know the game was better when she was bad, anon.
>>743570371Dota doesn't have a healslut role. Support janny is the toughest, manliest role, that is supposed to get early kills and dictate the game's tempo. There's a reason in organized play the hard support is usually the team captain.
>>743570676Because the new shitters don't know what support is and the old shitters are traumatized playing brown boots wards CM 40 minutes into the game.
>>743570676Your entire purpose is being the bitch of the carry, follow them around and enabling them.Pos4 on other hand is like the most popular role now, because its the "I can do whatever the fuck I want and nobody blames me" role.
>>743557834She's a cosmic/divine power, but she's not some demigod offspring
>>743570690Because the hero is too slow and is shit in lane. Literally no reason to pick her when SF, LD, and Drow exist. Until I see her picked more than once a week I might consider her anything but a niche last pick hoping to counter a specific hero.
>>743570832Show your immortal draft eligible account if you want me to take you seriously. You said you don't see her picked, despite the fact that she is one of the most picked heroes with a positive winrate between 6k and the immortal draft cutoff.
>>743570676Because it's hard to play, requires a lot of multitasking and thinking, and teammates that don't suck. If you play carry instead you can just zone out and farm. Mid is basically a second carry now since early exp difference is lower now and there's no mid small camp so fewer mid mind games.
>>743570832Don't also forget what I said that she really sucks at farming jungle as well. Most carries now can fuck off to jungle if they get fucked in lane and recover somewhat easily.While specter can't really do that.
>>743570750>Your entire purpose is being the bitch of the carry, follow them around and enabling them.No, your role is to make someone cry, usually the opposing pos 1 or 3, depending on how the game goes. "support" is a misnomer, because your role in the game is bullying enemy cores.
>>743570954And yet Spectre is one of the most picked heroes with a positive winrate, how can she be bad?>While specter can't really do that.You are guaranteed a memeback kill every 3 minutes.
>>743570962Most of the game you are suppose to sit behind your carry to bail him out in case he gets ganked or something. Or you're on janny duty and just doing ward/dewarding.You are basically doing the most unfun chores in the game while the rest of the team has fun.
>>743570676because you get literal baby retards on cores who cant farm, cant watch warded map and destroy items at the slightest inconvenience
>>743571049>Most of the game you are suppose to sit behind your carry to bail him out in case he gets ganked or somethingNo you're not supposed to do that, you are supposed to be the one doing the ganking and if your carry gets ganked and they die it's literally their fault, if you did your janny duties properly.
>>743570905Here's my current mmr, don't see what you want from this. You expect me to go through my entire match history just to prove that spectre isn't popular? I can link my account but you won't be able to see the match history on any website, what exactly are you hoping for?
May 31st 2012. The "Spoils of War" update.I actually think the first run through of cosmetic items they added, and a big focus on custom couriers, were really good. The cosmetics made the heroes look like the hero still, but like an alternative outfit or skin from a fighting game.But it was the slippery slope to releasing more and more ridiculous shit to the point of the game becoming completely hat focused on shit that breaks the hero styles. But we knew this because we just watched it happen to TF2 like a couple years before this In terms of gameplay I dont think the game is bad at all today, it's always been a slowly evolving game. I think the "Memeback gold" patch was a massive blow to gameplay because it basically did away with this concept of >This hero is strong early-mid game and requires no items>This hero is useless early game but a monster late game after farmingAnd just made it so any hero could be relevant because you were one smoke and gank on a pos5 away from a mountain of gold and a comeback. This lead to shit designs like Spectre having a 30 second global shadow step as a built in baseline ulti - a late game monster with furions teleport?? It made zero sense and turned the concept on its head and basically every hero had to be rebalanced to be good at all stages of the game. Which is why you see heroes like Treant now that used to be strong early game and cap out at some point where no amount of gold or xp would make him stronger, to now being able to transition into a late game core. But I think its been long enough that the game works with this concept now
>>743571125I accept your proof.>she is one of the most picked heroes with a positive winrate between 6k and the immortal draft cutoff.Now you just need to explain this one and you win.
>>743568884he's quite right that people were really shit at dota prior to the 2014-2015 era when the ranked system really figured who understood the game and who didn't. before that, people had really retarded ideas about the game like building radiance on weaver because "he moves through enemies with shukuchi anyway", or power treads on sand king to "get an extra attack off after a stun". the prevailing mid strategy was putting pudge there so he can get level 6 and then gank. people didn't hit jungle creeps except to recover from bad lanes. then rtz pioneered the strategy to just never stop jungling and it broke the game so fucking badly that they had to redesign it around jungle creeps giving no gold and comeback kill gold being the new way to recover. my point is: hitting jungle creeps forever for 900gpm was always in the game, it just wasn't used until rtz did it, because people were just bad and thought it was lame to do so.but you are also right that valve has fucked up the game very badly and it's now also ruined because they never quarantined the russians and middle east players to their own servers. they could still probably relaunch dota and really add a region lock, they just won't because the devs are american and they don't know what it's like to play on EU west.
>>743557834If only Valve gave a shit about the game and its lore so people could also give a shit. There's exactly 0% chance Dota will ever get an Arcane of its own because Valve does not care to spend the effort or money required.
>>743570676Because its the worst of both worlds where you have to be vigilant and aggro to make space, stressing out over constant time management with a billion tasks to do.but that is also dependant on cores not shitting the bed or wasting opportunities. While also being one of the scapegoat roles for everyones projection or mistakes. (Have no map awareness, just blame wards! have no concept of kiting? Blame the one person who didnt feed)Its the same reason why offlane is also in high demand. Because yes you are an early game powerhouse, but only if your team capitalize on it. If you get a useless sack of shit as a lane partner or a bad lane matchup you are fucked and now completely dependant on vladinski the wifebeater
>>743559226It still looks miles better than the default mirana model which needs to be slathered with RGB light immortals to look passable. The anime mirana looks much higher fidelity and more simple, and she has an outfit that matches her og dota 2 design (if you unlocked it)
>>743570750>Your entire purpose is being the bitch of the carry, follow them around and enabling them.so it's essentially utilitarian female coded role. let my teammates have all the fun and kills and farm gold as i do serve them. leagues saved by female audience you know
>>743571114>No you're not supposed to do that, you are supposed to be the one doing the gankingYou do that with the team, not alone.
>>743559697Veno lost his soul, when playing him ceased being about blinking in middle of enemy team to unleash a nova of immeasurable power.>mwf I hit the entire enemy team with boosted nova
>>743559613>Mortar teamThey did. That's Snapfire.They reimagined it from a cannon wielder to a grandma riding a lizard. The lizard spits flaming "mortar" fireball loogiesPersonally would have preferred a hot character riding the lizard, because I hate the "Grandma baked you cookies but shes secretly bad ass!" trope, but overall I dont think the design is bad in the end
I’m just shocked this whole thread hasn’t devolved into identity politics because the new circus event has a black witch girl that could potentially be the next hero, but it makes sense when I remember nobody on this board actually plays games.
>>743571381Yes, and how do they know how to gank?Because they have a numbers advantage (you) and vision (wards you placed).
>>743571279>>743568884all that said, i think the current playerbase is generally *worse* at the game than it was in 2014-2016. i say this because the current way the game is designed does not really reward being smart or knowledgeable. it rewards an extremely patient and lame playstyle, and being able to endure constant microgriefing from people browner than you. half the players at any given rank don't belong there due to constant boosting and account buying, especially among ME players.if you're smart and you have skill and passion, then you aren't going to play a game where you can't exercise those traits, and where half your teammates bought their way to your rank or are smurfing. if the game is not fun or rewarding to play, it's not going to attract the best and brightest. instead the highest ranked players are all 19 year old russian zoomers with 0 aspirations to do anything all day except grind out a dozen terrible hour-long matches and then go to bed. you can unironically see the playerbase reverting back to 2000-2010 era dota where people follow retarded cargo cult strategies and item builds, because all the top ranked players are retarded third world zoomers who don't actually understand anything about the game but are good at hitting creeps and pressing buttons in teamfights.
>>743571429each of these events has added new hero fodder and the continue to keep doing nothing with them.Remember Juggernaut's sister?
>>743560661>>743560780It’s no coincidence that he has a voiceline saying>I’m gay
>>743571429I literally don't care what the heroes look like only if they are good or not.
>>743566686And then they actually made Crystal Maiden into a dog!They went full circle
>>7435498547.00 was the final nailBut really any patch after 6.80 can be credited for killing it
Reminder that green hero patch was peak dota.
>>743571502*Her dog mentor
>>743571204Because that's shitter rank where games go on for at least 10 minutes longer than they should. I've seen her picked exactly twice in the last three weeks and she lost both times. Her ult has way too long cd and it's very easy to play around, but shitters don't know how to. The immortal draft cutoff increases the average mmr in the lobby by at least a thousand as most players are well above the cutoff and the delta becomes much wider, games often have 2-3k mmr difference between the highest and lowest players, and I've seen lobbies with way higher than that. Higher rank means faster games, which means slow carries become shit.
>>743571429She's a persona for warlock, not a new hero.
>>743571391I loved jumping people as core veno and just loading all my fucking debuffs on one target and then watching them TP away and getting the kill through fountain regen anywayBut they had to rework him because nowadays with all the survivability (Glimmer) and extra regen and health and magic resistance sources, it just wouldn't work. He had to slither with the times
>>743571470You’re insane if you think Juggernauts sister screamed “new hero” and not “new Juggernaut persona”
>>7435715316.80-6.82 was fucking perfect, 7.00 started it with the shrines shit and MK being so fucking disgusting overpowered.
>>743571564So how do you feel about the economy in dota, is kill gold not a bit too much these days?
>>743571609Source?
>>743571279No anon people did farm jungle and shit before RTZ, stop being fooled by retarded streamer meme shit.This is just something people say on reddit to cope with how "noooooo old dota was... le bad! it was not harder people were bad!".Like this video, you won't ever see a play like this in Dota 2 because of the way the entire game is designed and balanced now. Shit like this happened all the time in older dota. THIS was the kind of outplay people did, not afk farming and then do BROOOL by just spamming spells like they played LoLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtn7WecvJ-8&t=256s
>>743571563CM is also a dogShes the little one
>>743571616glimmer cape is op to this day but people wont buy it against magic damage on every hero, including mid and offlane, because "its a support item"
>>743571616>>743571391His rework was for the better because venos feed too much as is i just wish it kept the old animationPlus he still has Plague Nova, just as an aghs.
>>743571639>Juggernaut's sisterDid they ever actually do that? I forgot about her. What was the point of introducing her and doing nothing
>>743568019>The game used to be more about methodicalwhat you call methodical, i call "3/5 heroes are perma poor and only mid and carry are allowed actual items"it just smacks of carry mains whining as usual, i personally dont miss being put through a dick flattening session every time i played offlane.
>>743571429Dota players are millenialboomers, culture war xitter /pol/sloppa is a hobby for brown zoomers
>>743571429she is cute so ill allow it
>>743571865Back then it felt WAY better to play a support because landing a good spell actually mattered and landing a good ulti was gaming winning stuff.Now you spam spells every 3sec like in League and they barely have any impact.If anything nowadays carries have way more shit to deal with supports than ever before.
>>743571776The exact same thing has been true for Force Staff for 20 years. It's a different flavour of blink dagger but people still think its a support item. I dont think people realise how many kills it enables/ how much it lets you dodge death for such a small cost. And it saves allies. It's so ridiculously mutli-functionally useful that you basically expect both supports to have one, like you expect both supports to have a glimmer. And yet the idea of just buying one more yourself never occurs to people? It's like we've said earlier on in the thread games rarely go to the point of 6 slotting, and yes it made delay some other damage item, but unless your hero has mobility coming out of the ass like AM or Spectre, or your hero is insanely farm hungry like FV, you can PROBABLY find time and space for a force staff at some point and probably should
>>743571429Knowing Valve we're getting the fish witch instead.Based desu, fuck waifufags
>>743571702Not really, farming enemy heroes being viable is better for the game than ricing being the only way to play. Playing 4v4 while the worthless carry expects to be carried isn't fun. If anything it's too low, kills were more valuable in old dota than now.
>>743571862Probably future persona for Jugg but being developed in Valve Time
>>743571429>>743571996I demand pictures of this new characterEven if she is just a Warlock Persona in the end. I love DOUBLE DEMONS DOUBLIFIED but I would still sub him out for a waifu
Dota 2 needs a new Demon or Insect hero. Preferably a female.
They did mention the Great Cockfluence on the event though.
>>743572012>buy force staff>try and use it to save the carry>he still dies>he now flames you for the rest of the game for "killing him" and he destroys his itemsThe same reason people never play Enigma, WW, Wisp and heroes like that. Because if you don't PERFECTLY use your spells to save your team mates you will get flamed.Or like with Enigma, unless you land a perfect 5-man ulti off-CD every time the team will flame you.
>>743571776>>743572012Support items are OP and it always makes me cringe when I see a pos 4 Windrunner buy Maelstrom into Deadalus instead of Blink, Force, Solar/Glimmer
>>743571776People don't like buying it because the long invis fade time feels bad.
>>743562795you could pick lich and deny creeps all game. there was no teamfight/brawl comeback for a while either
>>743572130If you make decisions in game based on the shitters having shitter mentality then you aren't playing an optimal game. Those same shitters are just as likely to shit fling if you dont buy force and they die because of it. And besides, its not like it isn't good to have one for yourself no matter what.>Be Earthshaker>Sneaky cunt axe tries to battle hunger me before a fight breaks out so now I cant blink echo and they start fighting with me in vision>Force myself close enough to abuse echo's ridiculously radius and gib them all anyway because force isnt stopped by damage like blink is
>>743572165The invis isn't why the item is goodThe instant magic damage barrier is why. The invis is just a bonus that sometimes helps and punishes bad teams but isnt to be relied on because a 50g sentry or 80g dust counters that part completely. But you need a dispel to remove the barrier and those are considerably rarer.
>>743556743QRD?
>>743572112There is nothing to suggest she will be a persona, people are just theory-crafting as she is a witch and has a pet monster thing
>>743572346It was the patch Valve adding all the modern shit in Dota that nobody likes.
>>743572012You do not understand trench dota, aka honest dota>Help alliesThats the first reason its not bought>Games rarely go to the point of 6 slottingAlso not the case down hereA force staff wont help Vludimir try to manfight ursa or sniper, so hes not getting it, it does no damage.>Ignore teams dipshit descisionsThen you are welcomed to spam reportgulag hell. And you are also more likely to lose anyway because a team half committing to a stupid play is always worse than full sending.
>>743572349>Witch and Warlock are synonymous>She has an old god trying to trick her into summoning it>She cute and sexWarlock persona is all but confirmed
>>743572349Damn she is cuteWe actually do need more attractive black women in the game because LC looks like a foot. There's plenty of hot white girls but no delicious chocolate yetI mean Drow used to look black (with blue skin) before her visual rework but they de-negress'd her
>>743568794that pretend wholesome chungus narcissist is insufferable>>743569327>I can recognize Riot puts way more effort, money, and care into LoLyeah maybe because it's the ONLY reason they even exist as a company? lmao
>>743572472The answer is simple anon, don't play in the trench. Exactly as said here >>743572274If you let shitters affect your decision making then you are not playing optimal dota and will get dragged down with them
>>743569327>Riot puts in way more effort money and care into lolBecause if LoL goes down their entire company hits the unemployment office. Thats why they've been desperate to diversify with Valorant, the Lol card game I forget the name of that died, the fighting game that was DoA after like a decade in developementValve could de-list dota 2 tomorrow and wouldn't notice the difference.
>>743572515Serina was Jugg but girl and Sorla was Axe but girl and nothing came of them, making a persona with a whole new voice and character is hard which is why the robot ones who are featured just have some shitty filter applied to their normal lines
>>743572568>>743572693None of this reflects well on Dota or Valve, nor disproves what I said so I'm not sure what your point is.
>>743571853>Plus he still has Plague Nova, just as an aghs.Nah they removed that sadly. I do miss it. Now his aghs causes his plague (the new ulti) to drop the magic resistance of all in its aura as well as slow them, splits the cooldown in half, and rather than only deal impact damage the first time it spreads, it does it again on the 2nd spread. Its REALLY good against anything that enemies want to stack up against (E.g. Juggernaut ulti) or anything that holds people closer (Chrono, black hole, RP etc.) but special shout out goes out to combining it with Grimstroke's ulti for an instant teamwipe in a can
>>743572012>>743572340it really is all the 3 (4) effects combined that make it overpowered. it just has too much value.>instant magic barrier that often prevents crucial midgame kills>20% magic resistance (the same as old hood of defiance)>invis that will save people occasionally and forces the playmaking heroes to carry dust the whole game or otherwise play around it>invis that also occasionally sets up kills since you can use it like a shadowblade in correct situations>tiny movement speed too because why notlike looking at it in MtG terms, it's like a perfect "tempo" item. it forces the enemy to react to it and itemize against it and it just makes you really strong for really cheap. i think orchid is overpowered for similar reasons: it forces the enemy to get really awkward or expensive items to try to mitigate it, and even if they do, it still persists and annoys the enemy for the remainder of the game. it's kinda like having to use a 4 mana removal for 2 mana tarmogoyf in MtG, it just cripples your economy when you have to do it.
>>743559745Warlock hat was even worse
>>743572797They already have Bex voice acted in the event, hardly a stretch to imagine they had the VA record some lines for a persona
i've been playing since 2011 (stopped playing 2-3 years when 7.00 came out, then took another 2-3 year break) and i think the game has improved overallbeing a support is bearable now. also, back in the day, i could never play carry, some retarded peruvian would mark it in the map AFTER me, claim he didn't care and would grief if i didn't go support. your reports would also rarely work. now, with role queue, you can actually play whatever you feel like and if some faggot decides to grief, he actually gets punished. i call people nigger faggot etc all the time and still have over 9k behavior. anyone who complains about it is some dogshit nigger who just wants to ruin games unpunished and fuck offthey also changed niggerlicious techies to be bearable, removed shrines etc. game is simply better now. there are obvious issues, no hot women allowed anymore, dogshit designs in general, overly complicated shit like kez but overall the game is in a better statei remember at some point you were forced to play with parties too. man this game had so many dogshit decisions throughout the years. it still lacks proper concede but these days people just stop playing once the game is unwinnable so even that was mostly fixed
>>743572012i meant to reply to this but forgor: force staff is a good save item but it isn't a save item + defensive item + brool item + carry dust or get fucked item like glimmer cape is. it's harder to argue buying force staff on doom or primal beast but glimmer cape is great on them
>>743572920>they also changed niggerlicious techies to be bearableThey deleted him from the game twice.Until they bring back the Real Techies from 6.xx the game will be incomplete.
>>743573008you just want to grief people. keeping people like you away from the game is great
>TECHIES SAARnobody wants to play against old techiesthis is literally the mental illness of 0.01% of the playerbase being used to torture 9 other players
>>743572797Difference is Serina was a whole new character for the event. Sorla was a character from Artifact that valve rescued from the dumpster by introducing her in the last event. I really liked Sorla too so I really hope she gets ingame playable in some way. The idea that Axe was a dick that carelessly killed his own army by spinning, but Sorla was a leader that actually utilised the army and soldier to invade and pillage was a cool parallel. She was Axe's opposite in many waysIn Artifact IIRC axe was a beefy red card which, again I am loosely remembering here, were designed to be huge beat sticks that beat other cards in combat.Sorla was a black card which was meant to be more "High attack, low health" and going for direct life damage, with her unique power being siege ladders, so she was more of pragmatist invader than a full fighter
>>743572603Its more that doing the actually skillful thing isnt the optimal thing when playing in the trench. This is why I hate the cope retards give with 'play your own game' which ignores how their crap positioning etc. affect the rest of the team. Yes there are some situations where you shouldnt get roped in with utter retards and play at their level but you shouldnt try and play in that environment the same way as you would high MMR games. If the draft is retarded you need to lean into it and hope to retardmax your way out of it sometimes.
>>743555070I want to French Kiss Bane
>>743572920oh and also they improved all pick as well. so supports are supposed to pick first, then hc and off, then mid. but you have enough freedom for people to pick offlane/hc/whatever last. another good improvement. old all pick was dogshit compared to the current one
>>743556743I wish I could say you're wrong, but the game really did start going in a strange direction after the update.League of Legends has also seen a major decline since 2015, which is more a sign that the genre is dying than the fault of Dota/ Valve.
>>743572920>would mark it in the map AFTER me, claim he didn't care and would grief if i didn't go supportwell yeah thats why they queue on NA. they just have a grief-off 100% of the time on their own server so they go on other servers. americans are human enough to relent and give into their tantrum so it works out to their advantage. that's why they're the first ones to argue against region lock. imo if someone from one of these cultures pulls that shit on you, you really should do a public service and ignore them and let them do whatever. most of the time they will rage over you "ruining the game" because they DO in fact care about winning, they just aren't developed enough to really appreciate the hypocrisy of their actions
>>743572936Ahh but what it is (That glimmer isnt) is it's mobility. You can never, ever count out the value of more mobility. And whereas a hero on the brink of death that glimmers can just be dusted (And slowed) and then love tapped with a right click, forcing out of range is uncounterable until you get a nullifier. >Force up / over cliffs>Through impassable terrain like trees>Through body blocking enemies/allies>Used as a dash to gtfo out catch someone>Used to do the same for an allyThe fact that it does this combined with a chunk of mana and health too makes it a really nice tempo item but never stops having value.
>>743572817there is nothing to disprove, it's just a moronic statement to make. of course they'll put effort into something when it's their one and only breadgiver; they'd be suicidal to do otherwise
>>743573192LoL was getting more played until somewhat recently I think
>>743557810From left to rightTiny, QoP of Pain, Jakiro, Bloodseeker, Krobelus, Omniknight, Slardar, Enchantress, Yurnero.Retard
>>743573226if i did that, i'd just lose most of my games back in the day. that's just not feasible. the new system works either way
>>743572845Aside from the art aspect I really dont get how people fuck up and not know who is who during a game. Ive never done it even with full on retarded RGB shit everywhere. I dont even look round the map most of the time as the minimap with arrows suffices in 90% of stuff away from your immediate surroundings for most heroes.
>>743572936>>743573239Also doesnt forcing Primal Beast trigger a fuckton of his Trample pulses? I know you were just using him as an example that I completely agree with in theory, but its funny that you could make a case for Primal Buying it almost on that alone
>they still haven't removed the god awful token system
>>743573263Don't call CK a retard
>>743573239desu i can't argue that, but i still feel like glimmer cape is better simply due to how it feels to use. you can use it on cooldown, before, after, during a fight and it'll give you value. you're almost always going to block damage with it, the invis almost always throws people off and forces dust usage, and you always have 20% magic resistance. force staff is more fiddly since you have to use it at the right time, as like a reaction or setup, to get value out of it. meanwhile glimmer cape just exists and you press it and you win the game off of it
>>743573351Somehow I forgot about my nigga CKMy apolocheese.
>>743559214>>743561746The thing about Kez is that the Katana version is just always better and there is 0 reason to ever switch. Especially with the spellls sharing cd.
>>743573412I would argue yeah Glimmer is probably, just about, the better of the two because its so reliably universal good. You really cant ever not get value from gimmering someone targetted by the enemy in the fight. Either they escape vision completely, block a big chunk of magic damage, or cause the enemy to disengage entirely. Force is a bit more nuanced in its use which is why Glimmer is probably better overall. But they're both so good I'd always make the argument for both
>>743573132>play 4>leave lane to go gank mid, help kill their offlane, steal wisdom, ward, stack, gate back, kill carry>complains that I left them solo before 15mAnd I'm being generous with 15m, I've watched people religiously playing their lane up to 30m before looking at the rest of the map as a blink initiatorBro, I've got shit to do and just more of it until you decide to do something on the map.I hate poeple sometimes.
The reason force is not as good anymore is because the game is suffering extreme mobility creep. Most heroes and zip zap around the map and all have a shit ton of mobility now. So the dash is not as valuable anymore as most heroes can easily just keep up.
>>743573275>if i did that, i'd just lose most of my games back in the day. that's just not feasible. yes that is the conundrum. its why i dont play dota ranked anymore. all the serial griefers don't give a fuck because they are all unemployed thirdies who play the game for 16 hours a day, and if they grief a bit too hard then they just buy a boost from igor and resume griefing. there's no point in caring about gaining rank anymore because people just buy it for pennies.nowadays i play marvel rivals and i'm good enough to be in the top 500 sometimes, but i still never yield if i perceive some other thirdie player trying to pull that kind of shit on me. they rage 100% of the time despite themselves being the ones griefing. i'll lose rank but them's the breaks
>>743572340>The invis isn't why the item is goodNo, but it's why it FEELS bad.Anon, item choices are also in large part about how it feels to use the item.If manta had a 1 second delay, people would still buy it, but they wouldn't be happy about it.
>>743549854when they started fucking with bounty gold to enable cumbacks
>>743573261Without mentioning there is no way for a third party to analyze these numbers.
>>743573781Same with steam numbers
>>743570750>Pos4 on other hand is like the most popular role now, because its the "I can do whatever the fuck I want and nobody blames me" role.I fucking hate pos4 players for this exact reason. I haven't played in two years and it's sad to see this is still the case.
>>743573521This is why I started playing carry and my winrate shot up. 9/10 the carry cant direct damage properly or takes the 'kill support first' as a golden rules that cant EVER be broken and fucks up scenarios where you burst the other team's win condition for the fight. For Drow unless I was up against an aids draft witjh 58483933 jumpers I could relax knowing that so long as I got alright farm I could come back from a bad lane due to retarded supports.
>>743573823???What are you talking about?
>>743573823>valve is just the same!>a third party website can clearly show that someone is botting the gameAnon, are you okay?
>>743573949>a third party website can clearly show that someone is botting the gameYou mean it shows that Valve can just inflate the numbers of their games whenever they wish?
>>743549854Isn't this that one lady that's used on a comic about videogames? THE CAKE IS A LIE!
>>743570750it's also the easiest role to gain rank with because the bar is so low. even grubby got divine off of it>>743573865i think sometime in 2025 the sentiment turned more against pos 4 players. i noticed my team taking my side if i was having a shit lane because of my pos 4. 3-4 years ago they would always blame me instead. i think it's because most pos 3 players just quit the game and players who main other roles got to experience pos 4 antics. you know it got really bad since offlane is now a "high demand role" instead of pos 4. so now everyone knows how awful pos 4 players are.
>>743573875I probably should do the same, but I just get bored farming. At least on 4 I can go do shit in all but those rare games where you can't do anything at all as a support. Those are miserable for everybody though.I'm old now, I don't ever expect to be good or anything. I'm just not strategically retarded or situation blind like these cunts are.
How come Dota is dead in the west? The entire NA scene is totally dead and only Russians play it in EU.
>>743574494Lack of region lock.
>>743574534NA is dead because there is no region lock?
>>743574614No one wants to play with south americans or russians.
>>743574494Its dead in NA as it has been for years and the skill level is awful. EU is still alive almost as much as it ever was even outside of Ruskis.
>>743549854The animations by futurist of marci slap
>>743574614SA infestation, so there was a mini exodus to EUW, making the whole thing 10 times worse and forcing everybody to basically give up on it.
>>743574494Dota is not an NA friendly game and the NA region is dreadful.
RTS devs/players talk about how important it is that units can be recognised quickly at a glance. Cosmetics ruin that, and Dota 2 is nothing but cosmetics. Shit game.
>>743574416You could just play Turbo as to reduce the amount of time spent with retards though turbo games sometimes take almost as long. At least you get extra gold to try weird builds.
>>743574494Dota was always an EU/China focused game. NA seems more interested in gun n ball games than RTS or it's derivatives
>>743574614NA Play league. valorant and deadlockFrance is league capital (I still somehow get frogs in my pubs)bongs play Fifa.But in general, euros dont want to play with russians and viceversaAmerica is really bad with the hues
>>743557834>dota lorewho fucking cares dude
>>743574494I don’t know man, 80% of players on NA servers don’t even speak English. I’d gladly have 10+ minute queue times if it meant I didn’t have to suffer some vine swinger screaming at me in Spanish as if I fucking understand them. Greedy retarded people that can admit no fault.
>>743571280>Arcane of it's ownIt sort of already did and people didn't really seem to care about it at all.
>>743574836As a Bong theres plenty of Bong players. But I fucking hate 99% of them as they're complete faggots. Most likely due to being SOUF-FC fags but they are often: shit at the game in general, whiny cunts, or in a trio and have less coordination than randoms. This is prevalent over any multiplayer game Ive played as wekk
>>743574908Maybe don't hire the Korra studio you retards
found one of my 2014 smurf accounts, i played dota 2 with a custom config to make the graphics as potato as possible to squeeze out around 25fps, and of course one of the consequences was that all of my screenshots were in 640x480looking at the screenshot description it seems all 4 of these fuckers reported me and i got dropped into low prio kekit's kinda ironic that back then i was willing to make games look like they came out on ps1 just so i could play them at 15fps and now i have a machine that could play anything at the highest settings and no desire to play anything
>>743574951bongs are quite literally some of the worst niggers to play with in the game
>>743573624it's not like that anymore. the new system works. but if you want to play other games it's fine too. dota still has its issues
>>743574192I was noticing how shit they were for years and I main pos5.>having to ward against enemy support that understands "the ward game">pos4 snatches up wards before I can grab them>dumps them on the most obvious ward spots on enemy side>dewarded within a minute>this goes on for the rest of the gameI could go on for days against pos4
>>743574998and this is what it looked like in-game, except of course it was stretched to fit a higher screen resolution so it was even more pixelatedidk just found this funny
>>743575002>>743574951As a bong I agree. Whenever I hear one speak on mic in my pubs it makes my blood boil for some reason. They're fucking annoying
Really around 7.00 like a lot of people here are saying as well. They slowly turned it into a brawl fest where the only thing that matters is winning team fights. The game used to have dozens of different strategies to win and you could actually play mid and 1v9 games by picking heroes that snowball out of control. Things like picking off a courier or finding someone who doesn't have a tp scroll in their inventory dont matter anymore. everyone gets a courier, wards are free, tp slot, every hero now has 10000 health, mana regen in lane and managing stuff like that doesnt matter because you have more stats and can just get a salve/clarity from the cour. So many things that casualized the game make it not dota anymore.
I'd sooner play with drunk hohols and ziggers than the westoid English speaking playerbase that bled into Deadlock. Those fuckers are insufferable.
>>743574808Turbo is okay for a game or two, but it's just not the same.I just play less games and less often, try to have at least one 'good' game, win or lose, each time. I'm not interested in rank grinding or anything. I play because it's incredibly fun when the game works as it should.It's always been conceptually fantastic but playerbase poor.
>>743575081yeah, they're always on fucking mic and they won't shut up and they're so prone to having melties and then you mute them and they'll just start throwing the game when you don't give them attentionwhat the fuck is wrong with you people.
>>743574908That's what I meant, the Dota anime just came and went without anyone giving many shits. Arcane on the other hand was a huge hit you couldn't escape, even my coworkers wouldn't shut up about it (supposedly despite this it didn't move LoL numbers much, I guess that just shows everyone who'd play LoL already has/is playing it).Having seen both, Dota's was also pretty fucking forgettable, even S2 of Arcane was miles above it.
>>743575160The ones like that are basically just the slightly more rich version of the eternal Fifafag bong with Dota being one of two games other than COD or Fifa that they play. They are subhuman mongrels especially in the current era.
>>743571280they cheaped out with dragons blood and no one gave a shit about it because it had low animation quality
>>743559434>those female tf2 alt designsthis woke nigger should never be allowed to touch a game ever again. glad he's gone
>>743574998I'm in a similar boat. Except the part of having a machine that can play anything.It's been 13 years since this screenshot was made.time flies by too fast, brehs, enjoy life while you can
>>743575225>>743575387It gave us Marci and that alone made it worth it
>>743575038As a 4, it honestly goes both ways.There's a lot of 5s that don't understand the ward game, don't have wards to put down when we make a move as 5 etc.The fuckers that sit behind the carry in lane instead of actually trying to secure them and their farm. You know the ones.I just want a couple to use sparingly when setting up plays and some sentries to deward as I scout them or get spotted.A lot of shitters flocked to 4 though so It probably did get a lot worse for you. But they are endless on both sides.
Octarine Core and Aether LensChanging cooldowns and making cast range changes are fundamentally what led to the current clusterfucks.
>>743575225its pretty obvious that riot went all out with arcane and it shows. Valve really doesn't give a shit about its properties because they could and should make something comparable. dragons blood is not comparable.
>>743575135Americans have become fucking insufferable online in the last 5-7 years.>that's kinda sexist/homophobic/transphobic...>please don't use the t-word/f-word/c-word...>WTF U CAN'T SAY THE N-WORD!I live in fucking Sweden and I hear people say nigger in real life decently often, I shudder to think what it's like to live in a major American urban center. Ziggers and Piggers are much more pleasant to play with even when they start in-fighting over the war.
>>743575560the best part of the whole thing was her death.
>>743575454this game no longer exists. i don't know how i feel about that
>>743575743which one
>>7435498547.00
>>743575387>>743575695Valve only cares for two things:>Steam which gets them the cut on every sale>hat economy in their games which is basically another market they can take a cut on without doing muchThat's it. If a game can't maintain the latter, it gets abandoned. Valve might genuinely be one of the companies that will benefit from going public and having someone put some fire under their asses. Though at this point I think anyone who wants to actually put effort into making games has left the company a while ago, and whoever is left might bail the moment they're told to start working.The Dota anime could have been a great opportunity to either consolidate the lore or do a soft reboot of it like Riot did.
>>743566082People always say that about the ones who actually take their religion seriously.
>>743575795season 2 when kashurra kills her in front of mirana, pretty much the highlight of the show
The dota show SUCKED because they killed my wife TWICE
>>743551340It's in the game because it's some saudi prince's oc waifu that he paid for by financing the animated series
>>743568794>mfw I shoove
>>743574951I too am a britbong and 100% agree with this. Scandinavians are much more fun to play with.>>743575667I don't doubt there are bad pos5s. But I bet they get blamed way more for their mistakes than 4s ever do.I don't have a problem with 4s buying wards, so long as they provide some benefit to the team whether that's providing vision or causing disruption by resulting in a sneaky gank.I just don't want to ever play with retards that cliff ward against a fucking Zeus and never get any flak from the rest of the team.
>>743576151grubby is such a shitter lmao
>>743576178I often have the reverse issue as 4>pick 4 expecting to help ward a bit but mostly focus on other items>the 5 actually wanted to play 4 and never buys wards>I have to either then buy them delaying my own items or bitch at them in chat Its even worse when they buy the wards but either never plant them or give them to me to plant ignoring the map coverage issue.
>>743575225league is so pointlessly complex in some ways, dota is unironically easier to play casually and has less smurfs
>>743576178i feel less stressed playing pos4 usually. probably due to the fact you generally don't have to baby sit a pos3 as much and a lot of pos1 kind of expect to be babysat.
>>743576395>the 5 actually wanted to play 4 and never buys wardsif they say it in chat before the game i'd usually switch i hate those people that dont even bother to explain why they are being a cunt
>>743576178If it's blame that you care about, you have terrible priorities.Sounds like you're one to spend minutes bitching about what went wrong on the last play instead of moving on to the next play.
>>743566307Yeah, but only because /v/ were a bunch of casuals who didn't know any games that weren't pushed by game journalists.
>>743576151What could possibly be going through his head at that time?
>>743568960A lot of big balance patches, not so much in terms of new content. So you could argue that the game does not need 200 heroes, or you could argue that it's dead.
>>743576547>Sounds like you're one to spend minutes bitching about what went wrong on the last play instead of moving on to the next play.its usually best to just say my bad even if it isn't your fault, so many of these tards on dota are emotionally stunted and need to be right about everything.
>>743576673>i wish i was playing wc3
i havent played since pyrion flax used to make those humorous cartoons about dota characters
>>743571531>the final nail>back in 2016>for a game that is still alive todayMost people understand language the same way a parrot does.
>>743574494NA was always dead.
>>743576151>3 heroes not on the map, DD ursa literally just walked off screen so he's still there, obvious bait zeus standing perfectly close enough to tempt but far enough that you have to overcommit for him>HURRDURR ME SHAMAN ME CHICKEN
>>743576547I care about having good teammates and you aren't going to get better if no one criticises your bad plays. That being said, I still mostly refrain from saying anything as every time you shit talk you lower the teams mood. The lower the mood, the worse everyone plays. I would rather just get on with the game and save it unless they start pointing fingers at others.Keep projecting cunt.
>>743576738Or just state the core issue, like 'don't chase graves' and leave it at that. It just doesn't need blame assigned (they should realise) or a 'discussion' (if they don't realise then it won't help anyway).
>>743576547People trying to pull the redditfag 'dont be toxic' or tryign to avoid blaming anyone unironically are worse than griefers. They enable the bullshit and the attitude that goes with such philosophy is retarded. Theres plenty of times that you lose a game not simply because the other team is better but because one retard fucks your team up. Sure making the odd mistake etc. is fine but when they are making full on illogical choices and you call them out (as you may as well as its either lose anyway or take the chance that they reverse course) theres nothing more annoying than the fag who jumps to their defence in the name of preventing toxicity. I prefer winning and losing games based on who is actually better/close games rather than simply being rewarded for the other team getting overconfident and fucking up at a more crucial moment than the retard on my team. Or simply being the less retarded of the two teams. It also annoys me to no end the amount of times I see the 'you cant flame and play well' when you very much can. I do it in CS and did it in Overwatch 1 and back then I could argue and still have 3-4 gold medals at high MMR and in Dota its no different.
>>7435567437.0 should've been dota 3 and kept as a different game. Or at least give you the option to choose pre or post 7.0 games
>communicating in anything but chatwheels and pingswhy
>>743577279Its fun to call people cunts. Or bait two Arabic players into discovering the other is a different flavour of Arabic and they begin flaming each other.
>>743577369>peoplepeople don't play dota.
>>743577239It's not some hugbox mentality, it's an "I don't give a shit about you or your issues, just fucking play"Be as toxic as you like, but game first ffs.The amount of times people stop focussing on what's going on in front of them due to it is insane.Don't let one fuck up lead to more for stupid reasons like people bitching about what the last one was.
I knew I had seen that face somewhere before....Oh, sorry guys, carry on talking about your video game.
>>743577369>call an arab a dog and watch him sperg out for the rest of the game
>>743577450My point is that often the flame is part of the game. If the retard doesnt respond to me telling them to stop taking the bait and feeding or other assorted fuck ups then the game actually does get impacted. If youre going to lose anyway due to the retard you may as well try and get him to not fuck up by flaming him or trying to convince him to stop. Ive played enough games to know this is the actually only viable option with most shitters. The hugbox mentality doesnt actually fix the situation. Sure theres people who flame over fuck all but thats not the same thing Im on about. Theres a nuanced difference. For example if as Drow I cant position properly due to having to move or be in weird spots due to either support or the pos 3 not positioning correctly I cant play properly. I can compensate and not die as Im not bad but I also cant play as well. at some point the other player is to blame for a domino effect.
>>743577192You aren't going to improve randoms. Not in any meaningful way. Especially for your own games.The amount of emphasis you put on who is getting blamed and how often said a lot.>>743577767I guess the above applies to you too.I was specific about what I said with regards to arguing about the previous play. It wasn't 'don't give people shit for being shit' but 'don't dwell on it to the point of detriment'.
>>743568019God they really did Tobi dirty. Just because he didn't want to have a relationship with some crazy ho.Hope he is doing well, dota was never quite as entertaining after he was gone.Is the danish cuck, who betabux the crazy ho now, still around? I mean the fag who's friends with that insufferable jew - not the fat jew LD, but sinsjew or something
Games were so fun during the few weeks they region blocked servers. It's completely possible to have actual North American dota matches. Scumbag Valve just doesn't want us to have them.
>>743578151You can the odd time. Its just rare enough that most losses are still losses. But its frequent enough they either listen or get mad and retardmax into following your suggestion or not playing shit anymore and you turn it around. Even a slight improvement allows better players more room to do stuff and turn around a knife's edge game. The dwelling part is if they make the same mistake endlessly without learning.
>>743577279>Not flaming your opponentsArt of war
>>743578371>What did you learn?all I need.
>>743578201Sunsfan? Yeah still around
>>743569327>You can just look at Arcane vs the Dota anime for a clear comparison of which company actually cares for its game.tbf the dota anime was a vanity project of some saudi fag
>>743578330>You can the odd timeYeah and the likelihood that it has any effect in subsequent games is fucking negligible.Also,>THE previous playnot >ANY previous playWe know games are hinged on a small number of actual plays. Everybody knows afterwards if they're important. I'm not talking about those.I'm talking about the constant dissection of the last move made and why it went wrong and who's to blame for it instead of moving on to the next one in an as yet undecided game.Faggots are insufferable for it and often themselves aren't thinking about the next move to make and miss opportunities by being slow on the uptake because they didn't see it develop.
>>743578561Too bad. What about the danish cuck, synderren I think it was?
>>743578759Its not negligible at all. Its something like 20-30% of the time. I know youre on about the last play. My point is that often its the same fuckign retard consistently making it. Thus you lose anyway if nothing changes. You may as well flame them as theres a higher chance they actually change and even this is only if theyre being a full on cunt about it. If theyre taking accountability then the flame is far less warranted. A loss is a loss if nothing changes, you may as well try for the actually not negligible chance.
>>743578879He does a podcast with him and is still involved in the scene.He was the one who was best friends with tobi and then his gf had a melty that tobi rejected her years ago yada yada yadaAFAIK, he's still with her. Despite her having a public melty that his best friend rejected her when she was 18
>>743578151>You aren't going to improve randoms. Not in any meaningful way. Especially for your own games.You can it's just rare and often not worth it due to the prior reason I gave and also because it causes you to "take your hands off the wheel". You spend time nagging them instead of focusing on the multiple other things you have to pay attention to when playing dota.>The amount of emphasis you put on who is getting blamed and how often said a lot.I'm just going to call you a fucking retard and make this my last (you)
>>743577279>>743577369>>743577497>piss off some third worlder >he spergs out and starts "insulting" you in his weird gobbledygook language with insults that are just outright comical>"YOU ARE SON OF GOAT AND CAMEL"
>>743578973You're a cuck whining about somebody else not getting blamed by the team ffs.>>743578950SUBSEQUENT GAMES, not current game.As in, chance of them being on your team any time soon outside of a ridiculously tiny player pool and them learning from it.I might give you 10-15% on current game, but its not 20-30% for subsequent games.
