I still find it fucking insane that the climax of the entire franchise were MG1 and MG2, the 8 bit pixel games made back in the 80s.Every game made after those are either explanations of why/how it led to those games and to explain why a pixelated character named 'Big Boss' is so important.Genuinely, if the series was a full blown movie, Outer Heaven/Zanzibar Land would the climax of the movie where everything is revealed.Theres fucking nothing else like it in all of media
>>743650698The climax is Snake vs Liquid in MGS4.
>>743650775Raiden vs. Armstrong in MGR:R***
>>743650775MGS4 is the literal epilogue of the franchise you retard, its the bookend to the whole story. The climax happens in the middle
>>743650883>The climax happens in the middleNo.
Huey did nothing wrong.
>>743650883>all out war, all secrets revealed, and the deaths of the four (five) generational, warring entities is an epilogueMy nigger, did you forget to take your brain medicine?
>>743650883Revengance is the epilogue
>>743651019not literally dead middle, it can be just before the end, but mgs4 is definitely the epilogue, not the climax
>queefer actually makes sense since Venom Snake would not sound like David HayterWhy didn't I trust him?
>>743651435yeah but actual Big Boss is voiced by him too
>>743651460He's temporarily faking it so the ruse works.
>>743651246>Macbeth's duel with Macduff is an epilogue>>743651435Doesn't really add up considering Big Boss is also voiced by Sutherland. I think it's just as simple as Kojimbo wanted a celebrity and liked 24.
>>743651489I will also accept that Venom Snake is hallucinating his own voice.
kojima's original ending of MGS4 with snake/otacon turning themselves in and being executed is superior to the one we got.
Venom should have been Solidus.Nobody gives a fuck how Big Boss survived Outer Heaven.
>>743651516...Hallucinating his own voice in scenes he isn't even in? I know the game came out a decade ago and isn't really worth replaying, but Big Boss has dialogue with Otacon, wherein they discuss the next step of their master plan to do... something?
>>743651596You could argue this is just a direction choice to keep the player in the dark. Remember when Kojima released images of Snake on the Big Shell in games media?
>>743651534Turn themselves in to who?
>>743651534I don't know why Otacon would do that but for Snake it would make sense.
>>743651537>Venom should have been Solidus.Time period wouldn't have made much sense.
>>743651649That dialogue occurs at the end of the game, after everything's been revealed.My nigga, it's literally just Kojima obsessing over B-tier celebrities. Nothing wrong with it.
>>743651743Well that goes without saying, obviously.
kojima originally intended MGS3 to be the end of the series
>>743651865yeah so was MGS2 and MGS4, and probably MGS1 and MG2 and MG1. Kojima said that constantly.
>>743651534God no. Maybe that would have worked in a different, better written MGS4. Imagine going from the poopypants wedding scene to that. Snake getting a relatively happy sendoff is one of the few good aspects of MGS4
>>743651719Why not? He's 12 and has already been established since his inception as appearing older than his chronologically older siblings, AND he looks exactly like Big Boss. He's literally a child soldier in a man's body, and in less than five years from MGSV's timeline he'll be a fully trained CIA operative commanding forces in Liberia, when he's 17, give or take a couple of years.The child soldier theme would be more in line with Solidus' backstory and could be extrapolated on, since he would be being portrayed as one himself.Instead Venom is just a blank slate nobody that Kojimbo slaps random nonsense onto. Every single theme tied to Venom was established with Solidus in MGS2, from the aforementioned child soldiers, to the concepts of legacy, and even pride in said legacy as it relates specifically to Big Boss, whom Solidus idolized. There is absolutely no reason for V to not be Solidus, he practically IS Solidus, just with less/stolen character traits. Hell, they even stole/recycled Raiden's nickname for the retarded ass portayal of Liquid; "White Mamba".The demon symbolism ties in closer to Solidus and Raiden than Big Boss, and the whole elements of the game wherein Venom is forced to slaughter his own men would influence his later reputation in Liberia, with Raiden's parents.Goddammit, Kojimbob.
>>743651719>>743652313Oh yeah, and if we're getting into shit not making sense, how about the fact that the timeline now has THREE Big Bosses all operating in Africa at the same time.And somehow, nobody notices or cares.
>>743652313Sounds retarded.
>>743650883It is always the dumbest fucking people in this shithole calling others "retard"Absolutely zero self awareness
>>743652515>It wouldn't fit the time period>>Yes it would, and here's why:>Oh well... erm, it sounds retarded!Pot to the kettle you fucking mongoloid
>>743650698Yes movies are a shit media at telling stories, welcome to 50 years ago.
>>743650775FPBPBest boss in the whole series (story wise anyway)
>>743652990Accelerated aging isn't the same thing as accelerated growth. If he had been aging that quickly he would have already been dead before he was ever POTUS. It presumably affected Solidus the same way it did Solid, just a little earlier or a little harder. Yes, he led a unit in Liberia, but by that point he was a teenager explicitly leading a group of child soldiers which makes sense for a teenager.Preteen Solidus LARPing as a middle-aged Big Boss would have indeed been extraordinarily retarded. There are a number of reasons Kojima used Venom, none of which would have applied to Solidus anyway.
>>743653312He's portrayed as already significantly aged in MGR's marketing which are set during the civil war. Granted, the canonicity of that is questionable, but Hideo Kojima played a significant role in that game, especially once it changed hands to Platinum, and his own writing staff rewrote the script.The notion that the aging couldn't be controlled is a bit daft. He was created to look like Big Boss, to BE Big Boss. That was the purpose of his existence. """They""" would have and did want him to age ASAP.>Preteen Solidus LARPing as a middle-aged Big Boss would have indeed been extraordinarily retardedIt's not so much a question of if he would be LARPing. After all, Venom didn't know he was LARPing until the end. This would still apply to Solidus, and he would come to the same conclusion as Venom; that he respects the legacy, and his inclusion in it. The only major difference to the storyline would be the prologue (how Venom became associated with Big Boss) and epilogue (what he does afterwards).>There are a number of reasons Kojima used Venom, none of which would have applied to Solidus anyway.Is it too much to ask for one? Because the only one I can think of I mentioned earlier: because he inexplicably wanted to tie up the plot hole between Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 that nobody on planet earth ever cared about, the whole "Somehow, Big Boss returned..." plot point.
>>743650775Falls flat for me because Liquid is a fake personality in Ocelots body, not actual Liquid
>>743650775I bet OP didn't even play MGS4 because he's a fag.
Its even wilder to imagine "the" big boss losing to a rookie with just a lighter and a spray can
>>743654509I still can never remember why Big Boss went back to America to train the next generation to defeat himself
>>743654446I thought the implication was that Ocelot was channeling Liquid because he was the son of The Sorrow
>>743654682nah, it was explained in the game that it was a mixture of nanomachines and self-hypnosis. 4 killed basically almost all the supernatural elements of the series. V killed the rest.
>>743654626Every master needs a successor
>>743654354>The notion that the aging couldn't be controlled is a bit daft.But the idea that they magically start and stop his aging is a stretch and a huge leap in logic from what we know. It's fiction: anything is possible. Lots of retarded things are possible, which is how we got Metal Gear Rising and Sunny's eggs, but unlike Sunny's eggs the idea that Solidus's aging was radically different from Solid's is not in the games.>The only major difference to the storyline would be the prologue (how Venom became associated with Big Boss) and epilogue (what he does afterwards).The epilogue is significant though, and it's also a big part of why Venom being a player insert matters in a way that it wouldn't for Solidus. They aren't entirely exclusive, since every Metal Gear game draws a connection between the player and the main character as a player surrogate, but MGSV takes it even further than MGS2. The whole point is that Venom had an identity distinct from Big Boss's for decades. He was a grown man that just happened to work for him, along with whatever personal baggage you might project onto him. 12 year old Solidus (JUNIOR HIGH REDEFINED) wouldn't have even had time to come to grips with involuntary erections and acne, and his entire existence is dependent on Big Boss and the Patriots to begin with (one reason why he stages his revolt in MGS2). It doesn't really land the same way. Big Boss's manipulations wouldn't either.Venom existing to explain something MG2 already explained is one of those ideas that caught on because people were too butthurt to use their brains. Even if you hate TPP it's extremely obvious that has fuck-all to do with Kojima's reasoning. At most it's a somewhat tragic bit of dramatic irony, and more than anything helps keep Venom a self-contained addition to an already convoluted timeline.
>>743650775Regardless of story that climax felt like a proper series ending which nothing about MGSV does.
>>743657782MGS4 felt like a proper ending to Solid's post-MG1 story and MGSPW felt like a proper ending to BB's pre-MG1 story.
>>743650883>climax happens in the middleClimaxes (in plot progression at least) tend to happen right before the end.
>>743659265you fucking nigger, middle as in not the beginning and not the end/epilogue.It can happen in a sliding scale after the beginning and before the end
>>743659265To further explain:Beginning/__________________________Middle__________________________/EndThe climax of a story happens in that massive middle part. Mostly towards the end as you sayHowever, there are stories/games/movies where the climax happens 30 minutes after the start, and sometimes repeats again.For example, in the new James Bond game, you discover 009 dead in the middle of the game, then massive gunfight occurs bam thats climax.Then at the end.... there's another climax where u fight the real bad guys
>>743659563Aren't the earlier climaxes technically minor climaxes, that work toward the greater climax that happens at the end?
>>743651074Fuck HueyHe said my dog was a wolf wtf does that faggot know.
>>743660002NO.For example: Fight Club starts at the climax and the narrator has to piece the story togetherThen you also have memento by christopher nolan, it starts with the climax and the narrator has to piece it together The Place Beyond the PinesThe climax is Ryan Gosling's story, and he dies in the beginning. The two other POV stories explore the aftermath of that climaxTheres many more examples
>>743650883Homie doesn’t understand the difference between a thematic climax and a narrative one
>>743660353>memento by christopher nolan, it starts with the climax and the narrator has to piece it togetherThat's an intentional narrative subversion, it's not a climax as much as it is a use of in media res.
Venom Snake is my favourite snake, he had a hars life.I dislike Solid Snake for killing him and dont care he dies of rapid aging.
>>743660712
When MG1 remake releases you'll be able to upload your Motherbase crew from MGSV, and kill them off one by one as Solid snake.
game ends with MGS2. MGS3 is shit and MGS4 didn't need to exist.
>>743650883>climax happens in the middleI was looking foward to a good mgs thread, then the retard comes out with this and derails it
>>743650698i don't like mgs v because i don't want to play sim city on a boat
>>743651537Venom should have been BB in MG2, NOT MG1. You retcon him from being a full blown Cyborg to his Robot arm and maybe even a metal plate where his horn was (if he somehow gets it removed).
>>743651865Yea and Portable Ops was the original game to 'Bridge the series' between BB to SS
Damn Hipster trash going overboard
>>743661619Didn't they just start shutting down those servers?
>>743661916That's fine because you don't do that in the slightest
>>743661619>remake releases you'll be able to upload your Motherbase crew from MGSV, and kill them off one by one as Solid snake.All mine are S++ ranked BLACK BULLS though
>>743662204or sim soldier or whatever the fuck, i turned it off the second they put me on a boat because i don't give a fuck about this shit
>>743662204i turned the game off forever the second they started the tutorial :)
>>743651937He first said it at MGS3. He didn't want to make 4.
>>743662669Should I care?
Why did the mods ban me
>>743660650>That's an intentional narrative subversion, it's not a climax as much as it is a use of in media res.No you retard he literally shows you the climax of the film in non-chronological order because to diegetically portray how the main character has no concept of memory or time.
>>743661819the climax can happen in the beginning you retard.Watch fight club, memento, irreversible, the place beyond the pines
>>743654509The "real" big boss is undermined by MGSV: all his accomplishments were stolen from skullface, and then later venom. Snake hardly completed mgs3 by himself.
>>743663464Don't talk to me monkey
>>743662204once you unlock the ability to kiss your fellow soldiers the game gets really good
>>743663586>The "real" big boss is undermined by MGSV: all his accomplishments were stolen from skullface, and then later venom. Snake hardly completed mgs3 by himself.I would say its the other way around. All his accomplishments happened BECAUSE of those people in the first place. As far as ANYONE knows, Big Boss is everything they ever did.Perception is reality.
>>743651657Whatever janitor and server maintenance electrician crawled out of inmploding pentagon called himself the rightful successor of the US government chain of command.>>743660712>Venom Snake is my favourite snake, he had a hars lifeSubhuman cretinous ape.getting to larp as big boss instead of killing himself for being a worthless failure, like /v/edittors is in no way noble or desirable.>>743663586In MGS3 the boss throws the final fight for the sake of the world and snake letting him win.What exactly did a gypsy janny do that legitimizes his existence? scoop poop?
>>743664385>Subhuman cretinous ape.>getting to larp as big boss instead of killing himself for being a worthless failure, like /v/edittors is in no way noble or desirable.You mean reprogrammed into believing he was after sustaining insane head injuries and being gaslighted by everyone around him?
>>743650698Media is full of retarded prequels that only exist to make money.
>>743662401Well tough shit, Solid Snake is Nipponese Samurai (half)
>>743664434You played the game, you discuss it fondly a decade later.The head injury is all yours, my friend :)t. big bossMarginally better than trooning out I guess, so here's to you.
>>743650775MGS4 is the climax of Solid Snake's story while MG2 is the climax of Big Boss' story
>>743652461nobody notices there are 3 Big Bosses in the same region probably because they assume its the same fucking person too, or in the case of themselves, assume it's the original or fake one doing stuffNaked Snake assumes it's Venom doing shit, Venom and Solidus assume it's Naked Snake.
It is funny that the sequel to this game is 8 bit. I actually hope we do get a remake of MG1 and 2 at some point
I think Kojima was planning to remake the original Metal Gear games on the Fox engine if he hadn't been forced to leave Konami.
>>743650698MG2 is still better than 80% of the franchise lol.
>>743650775fpbp nuke this thread jannies
>>743666042I think Kojima was going to make Death Stranding under the Silen Hill IP and probably greenlight Rising 2
>>743666107nah. plays worse than even mg1
>>743666134No, whatever Silent Hills would have been, it wouldn't have been Death Stranding. Weirdly enough, Metal Gear Survive seems like it was cobbled together from early concepts for what became Death Stranding.
>>743650698big boss and his death was not the climax, but the impetus of the entire franchise. he haunts the narrative of every game he isn't in. I'd say the climax is probably the destruction of the patriots in 4, with basically every link to BB severed outside of Raiden's tangential connection to BB via Solidus.
>>743663115You forgot your reddit spacing sir :^)
>>743663975exactly. the entire point of operation snake eater was twofold. 1. to take out The Boss while carefully crafting an entirely new legend to replace her with and 2. to steal the philosopher's legacy. Problem with the former is that it worked out too well and they did it before confirming BB's loyalty to the state, so he was able to create PMCs outside of the influence of the US while still being able to go back and run FOXHOUND to attempt to sabotage the organization from stopping Outer Heaven.
Remember when everyone thought Chico was a tranny?
>>743663115The cut kingdom of the flies and the actual final image of the entire game before the credits even references 9/11, interestingly enough. I think the game was heavily planned to have more commentary from that screenshot of the game's cut content alone.
>>743663115Venom Snake even kinda looks like Osama Bin Laden and has an arabic name (Ahab) lol
>>743650698Is it just me that thinks Kojima is at his best when he's piling bullshit on top of his own shit?I was fine with Death stranding's gameplay but story kind of sucked, V had terrible writing too but Kojima was clearing giving up on piling his bullshit on that one.
>>743663115Cool idea but the proof is too disconnected to be concrete.
>>743669030Ground zeros feels like it leans into this so much. Irl, guantanamo bay was used to detain 9/11 perpetrators. It is very intentional that the game starts in guantanamo bay, and even irl the site is referred to as "ground zeros."
>>743669089It almost does but BB doesn't have much of a personal connection with gitmo, and he was only there to silence his vulnerable assets.Could've explored more if the rumoured return to camp omega was a thing in V but sadly that didn't happen.
>>743669282>Could've explored more if the rumoured return to camp omega was a thing in VFor real. And the cut kingdom of the flies would have explored it too, what with the epilogue teasing eli in new york with the twin towers in the skyline.
>>743667402>nips have to watch the nukes in fallout>kojima makes americans watch 9/11based
>>743667402>Eli does 9/11 to frame Venom>Big Boss (real) is pressured by the government to send his men to take down Diamond Dogs>Snake kills VenomIt would've been a kino ending.
>>743669282>BB doesn't have much of a personal connection with gitmo,Big Boss/Naked Snake was literally THE CIA Spook. Like he was literally at the highest tier of CIA spookery, save for maybe SkullFace.Big Boss 100% participated in Blacksites, either as observer or torturer. You do not become the CIA's top attack dog without being intimate with this kind of black ops shit.Want proof? Notice how Big Boss and Kaz are joking while infiltrating Camp Omega. They knew what it was and knew what it was about. When Snake saw the tortured people he just... yep been there seen that reaciton.
>>743669675Holy shit. I think you just cracked the ending, lol
>>743669675Venom is dead at the end of mg1 (1995?)
>>743663115>>743669089>>743669282>>743669675>>743669682Holy KINO no wonder they fired this fucking madman what a genius ending
>>743669378>>743669682I think the cut return to camp omega would have shown that the events of "ground zeros" were actually hypnogogia during the coma, and we would have eventually gotten a reveal that big boss himself was a torturer at the blacksite on an assassination mission, and was behind ground zeros in some capacity.
>>743669776It also circles back to Mantis crashing the plane to the hospital (it's not shown in the game but lore-wise that's how he introduced himself to the plot).It literally shows him having powers to cause 9/11 and at the end of Kingdom of the Flies mission Matis was the only thing Eli had left.
>>743670103Wow. Actually genius.Yeah this thread convinced me, MGSV must actually be about 9/11, and i bet konami got extremely uncomfortable at this story and told him to change it.
>>743663115There are certainly hints alluding to that, remember Kojima was OBSESSED with ideas of men getting framed for political reasons; MGS4's cut ending and him repeatedly using Here's to You.It's not too far fetched to think Kojima took an interest on certain individual who also got framed by the government.
>>743670103I bet in kojima's alternate universe where 9/11 happens, it actually happens in 1993 during the failed attack then. Probably this is why mg1 takes place in 1995, as a convoluted explanation.So eli definitely did 9/11, but it happens on 9/11/1993 in the metal gear universe.
>MGS 1 gives Sniper Wolf a backstory that she knew Big Boss in the middle east under the codename Saladin in the 80s>two decades later irl, a prequel game comes out where Big Boss operates in the middle east in the 80s>there's young liquid and psycho mantis but no sniper wolf anywhere>no saladin codename
>>743671267the middle east is a pretty big place anon
>>743671267Quiet exists to imply that Venom found and adopted sniper wolf shortly after the events of the game, as sniper wolf reminded Venom of quiet.Literally the whole point of Quiet's character is to reveal that "Big Boss" was never Saladin, and to heavily imply it was Venom Snake instead. She didn't even know her own hero.
Alright, /v/ros, how do I make a fresh save MGSV playthrough fun this time, because I don't want to grind all that crap all over again and yet it's inherently a part of the nightmare.
>When you realize Venom Snake is an MKULTRA supersoldier
>>743671486Nonlethal zero kills playthrough. Very little grinding because tranqs are easy to build.Possible to complete every single mission except for shining lights with zero kills. Your only kills in this game are the mandated 20 staff you shoot in shining lights.Satisfying as fuck knowing it is possible to have a canonical venom who never killed a single person, ever. This is also obviously why he is set up as a combat medic: because it makes his reasons for joining MSF ambiguous, he could have really always just been a pacifist, and merely was kidnapped by big boss to be his personal medic.Zero kills/lethal venom is the difference between him being a hypocrite or not. A zero kills venom is canonically the true legendary "big boss" of the lore, and literally achieved global world peace without ever firing a single shot that wasnt a rubber bullet or a sleeping dart.It's possible that venom potentially canonically never killed a single person, as long as you play your save right. It's hard, but doable.
>>743671632Canon venom:>flower picker, saver of puppies (literally lol, picking flowers raises staff moral)>never killed a single person ever except his men to save the world, and it tore him up so badly that he honors the scant few soldiers under his rank who die as immortal diamonds>saviour of POWs the world over, rescues wild animals from combat zones>achieves global nuclear disarmament>...>"real" big boss comes in a decade later, throws him under the bus, steals his cultivated legend after being in hiding, and kills him>venom died potentially having never killed a soul, except for his men who begged for death in shining lightsKino playthrough. He's an actual angel on the battlefield.
>Punished "Venom" Snake>PVS>Persistive Vegetative StateBravo kojimbro
>>743671792I think Medic was a genuinely good guy who was a top tier killer but went with a role that was explicitly the opposite.Big Boss then MKULTRA'd and brainwashed his personality away.There's a theme in MGS about organizations splitting and becoming enemies down the line>XOF vs FOX>FOX vs FOXHOUND>PATRIOTS vs FOXHOUND>FOXHOUND vs OUTER HEAVEN (Which came from Diamond Dogs which came from MSF which came from.. FOXHOUND.. which came from FOX..The point I'm getting at, is that it is entirely within the internal logic of Metal Gear if it turned out that Outer Heaven in MG1 is actually a split faction from Big Boss' original plan, and that Big Boss and Venom actually led different factions of the 'Outer Heaven Nation'
>>743671486PC version+mods. Should be a crime not to play both GZ and PP with mods.
>>743672071>withwithout
>>743672010I still dont know whether in my head a lethal/nonlethal venom is better. The idea of a pacifist combat medic being brainwashed into a demon, only to realize too late, is almost just as cool as the alternative where the disposable body double turns out to be the real, true hero of the world and the actual legend behind the myth.
>>743672071Sucks that all that custom mapping and noding stuff totally stonewalled, though. And I don't even know if the Camp Omega port is worth adding.
>>743672137I dont think anyone in MSF is truly a pacifist. They are basically running a mafia corporation that holds nations hostage. Everyone there is a stone cold killer, even Huey as we saw in TPP
>>743672274Yeah, i largely agree although i do think he is specifically a "medic" to make it ambiguous whether he is a killer.There is definitely a HUGE theme in all three games about how they were actually all already too far gone by peace walker, and it's just that big boss and MSF are so charismatic that they convince both the player, *and* themselves, that they are "heros".Big boss truly believes he is saving the world, even though he is ostensibly a fascist dictator speedrunning a new world order. He bought into his own bullshit and believes his own legend, just like everyone else in MSF idolizes big boss.
>>743654920>it was explained in the game that it was a mixture of nanomachines and self-hypnosis.ocelot just checks out and lets liquid pilot the body because that's the planidk where your shitty explanation came from, it's not in the game
>>743654920>V killed the restHow?
>>743673981By being new, and new=bad old=good
Physint is going to be a real Metal Gear game where you play as Liquid. This is obviously Liquid. He's wearing Liquid's duster from MGS1 and a sneaking suit that looks like the one from MGS2. The art deco buildings suggest it's taking place in the past, but the relatively modern gun and optic suggest it can't be any earlier than the late 80's or early 90's
>>743674679Konami own MGSKojima cannot make a Konami IP
>>743674679bro it's ai slopyou posted ai slopyou're analyzing ai slop
No, the climax of the franchise is obviously MGS4. Just because there is a game called MGS5 that is a prequel to MG1 doesn't mean that somehow MG1 is the climax of the series
>>743675065What if I climax on your face homo
>>743674768He can, if they hired the new KJP as a contractor, which isn't out of the question. The mutual distancing between Konami and Kojima stopped right around MGS Delta's announcement. They put his name in more places than they strictly had to for the remake, the prerelease marketing materials made a big deal out of that, and they even let it go on the record that "They'd like to work with Kojima-san again." If there was zero chance of that happening and they still mutually hated each other neither of those things would have happened.Konami desperately wants to win back the goodwill they lost after Kojima left because their pachinko and multiplayer mobile games strategy didn't work out.And what could be better for that than showing the schism has been mended? (While letting Sony foot much of the bill.) I have a hard time believing Kojima would come back to the genre without a really good reason, and the only reason I can think of that'd be good enough, is getting the chance to fill in the last gap in the timeline and resolve the only regret he had about the series in the process. Kojima has said that the only thing he regretted about Metal Gear was killing Liquid off so early and not getting to explore his character more deeply.
>>743674963
>>743674768He can just change the names and title and make another MGS sequel like he did with a bunch of movies he ripped off
>>743674963Was this worth the water it costed to post
>>743650698We can't innovate anymore
MGSV was so shit and disappointing that it made me lose interest in video games in general. I completely lost the ability to enjoy video games after playing MGSV at release. Any time I played a video game since then I've just felt like "whats the point of this. why am I even playing this. This is so pointless."
>>743650775*Rex vs Ray
Are konami ever going to remake the msx games or are they only going to do pointless lazy remakes of MGS1 and 2 as its less effort than remaking 2d games into 3d games
>>743650775>>743650846Both of you are retarded. Climax was when Campbell relieved himself as AI designed to manipulate people and Snake fought Solidus. Liquid was the epilogue and Armstrong was bad fan fiction.
>>743666107That's because MGS was basically a rehashed version of MG2, and MGS2 was a rehashed version of MGS. Then all the future games were the result of Konami forcing Kojimbo to keep making games because they printed money.
>>743672563more than a decade later and people still dont know the plot kek
>>743650698>>743650698>>743650698Does MGSV hold up in 2026 and is it worth playing or does it feel like openworldslop now in a field of openworld games?I played literally all MGS games except MGSV and I really enjoyed 2 & 3 in particular. But that was quite a while back, now.
>>743681854MGSV, somewhat, is built as a parody of open world games. It's a "choose your own adventure big boss simulator" military tycoon kind of game, and the open world slop elements are almost parody-esque at times. For example, that one anon earlier pointing out how your resource extraction of materials like fuel, is actually a commentary on robbing the middle east and africa of resources. Baked into a silly open world basebuilding minigame, though.Same sthick with the game making you design an open world avatar as part of the body double twist.It's pretty generic, but it is one of the better designed open worlds out there, and the open world is used to tell metanarratives if you pay close attention.
>>743682335>is actually a commentary on robbing the middle east and africa of resourcesRetarded American thinks it's only the Middle East and Africa? What year is it in your head? Do you know what a book is?
>>743681854MGS V is a good game. Nobody ever hated it because not, they hated it because it's a good game that ends halfway through tells you more is on the way then falls apart before the more can get there.
>>743684608It's an unfinished game. Imagine what could've been. Kojima two aa flops look and play very much like tpp.
>>743684608nah man, it's a bad game because it's dreadfully boring. there's about an hour total of designed scenario play which is mostly good, about ten hours of dealing with blind deaf retarded guards, another 10 of doing grindy horseshit, and then like 20 hours of menuing. the rest of your playtime will be padded out with repeats of the 20 hours of retarded guards or grindy horseshit. i look back on my playtime with contempt and disgust.
>>743684608>MGS V is a good game.If you've never played a good video game your entire life.>>743681854>Does MGSV hold up in 2026 No>and is it worth playing No>does it feel like openworldslop now in a field of openworld games?it's not even an open world game, you pick a mission from horribly designed UI, load screen into chopper ride into a cordoned off area that if you go outside of the mission gets aborted, once you finish the mission to helicopter back to loading screen back to bad UI, back to helicopter back to mission area.If you're retarded you will leave the mission on foot and then walk around empty open world with nothing worthwhile to find, you can clear out "outposts" that make far cry 3 areas look like Sagrada familia in comparison.>>743682335>that one anon earlier pointing out how your resource extraction of materials like fuel, is actually a commentary on robbing the middle east and africa of resources>In fallout, purchasing stimpaks and ammo with caps is a subtle commentary on capitalismTroon, rope, now.
>>743650698The climax is MGS4 numbnuts
>>743685278FUCK i forgot about the 500000 helicopter rides too and the forced random motherbase cutscenes which cause even more interruptions to gameplay and unlike every other MGS cutscene aren't even close to worth watching. rage!
This was the only MGS game I hadn't played up until this point, recently got the complete edition on sale from Steam. Start the game, with a 2 hour mission with tons of callbacks to MGS history and the goofy fun part of Metal Gear Solid is front and center. Unfortunately that lasts for about 3 missions then it feels so generic and uninspired for the rest of the game, it hardly even deserves the title.
>>743685485>BOSS GET BACK TO BASE IMMEDIATELY! >FAGGOT CHILD NEEDS TO STARE AT YOU, MENACINGLY
>>743685842
>>743652659it's said so much here it's like a filler word and every comment would be the same without it
>>743670004I definitely think the events of GZ are not what we saw in game, and that the GZ scenario we played through was part of Venom's hypnotherapy training. I'm not totally convinced BiBo was a torturer there, though I understand where the idea comes from and there is evidence to support it. The CIA/9/11 angle is not one I considered before but it is kino so I'm choosing to believe it's real.
>>743681854MGSV is fun as fuck despite all its flaws. Play it, just be aware that the quality takes a nosedive after a while and the story is blatantly unfinished.
>>743686819I think kojima especially wanted to critique guantanamo bay because Obama promised to close it, but then didn't. It still operated during phantom pain's development, iirc. And it's also where they sent most 9/11 perpetrators that were captured.9/11 itself also perfectly encapsulates the "cycles of revenge" theme. America's dirty deeds abroad came home to roost as blowback.Glad u thought my theory was kino man haha took fifty playthroughs to formulate it.
dress-up gear
MGSV being a retelling of MGS2 (the game that predicted 9/11, lol) is telling in how they both show false flags and manufactured identity. A lot can be gleamed by directly comparing their themes as well.
>>743666201Survive was clearly supposed to be just an expansion to V's Metal Gear Online but was turned into its own game. TPP still has a scrapped co-op mode that has been modded back in recently, and some story beats and visuals in Survive do resemble a few concepts in Death Stranding (Dite being a post-apocalyptic Earth, Goodluck resembling Die Hardman, Seth resembling Higgs etc.).But I also feel the gameplay concept of connections on a shared map, the father/child plot and obviously the main characters for PT were reused and reworked for Death Stranding.So the evidence is there for DS to be an amalgamation of ideas from both Silent Hills and Metal Gear Survive
>>743663586the critique becomes even worse then since Venom, the best soldier in both PW and V loses to someone who's on their literal first real mission
>>743687769https://youtu.be/255ArxW2U3g?si=-YYsMfYSqtBJ6QBjThe fact that people still don't realize that MGSV is basically MGS 2 2.0 is crazy
>>743690414>>743687769forgot timestamp but starts at >4:46
>>743650698The industry is run by people who shit on the talent, destroy them, then write their name on their work and collect. Pirate these peoples stuff and don't pay if you simply MUST play it.
>>743690414>>743690456It also retcons mgs2. The big shell incident is a recreation of the phantom pain incident now, and the big shell is directly taken from motherbase.
>>743650698Think of it as more of a journey, than an intended plot line over the course of these games.Because with the shaky relationship Kojima had with Konami in the first place, he probably didn't even know if there was going to be any other games past MGS1.
>>743687464>>743686819HERM GUYS DID U KNOW THAT A DUDE OBSESSED WITH TARDED US GEOPOLITICS IS LIKE INSPIRED BY IT MAYBE LIKE REAL EVENTS GEOPOLITICAL MAYBE US LIKE MAYBE IT ENDED UP IN GAEM WTF???
>>743687712portable ops sneaking suit was very similar to th best one (PW) but it had weird boots and thigh armor lol
>>743691490>The big shell incident is a recreation of the phantom pain incident nowIts a simulation of the base, but its not a recreation of the events in africa or afghanistan
>>743691490>>743695102I kind of like the idea that the Patriots (Zero) came up with the idea of S3 Plan test from Big Boss creating Venom.
>>743695646Zero is already brain dead in the early/mid 80s, go listen to the cassette tapesThe 'Patriots' you've been fighting in MG1, MG2, MGS1, MGS2 and MGS4 have all been middle manager and AI supercomputers. There's no actual face of the Patriots after MGSV, you're fighting the actual 'system' set up by Zero, Paramedic, and uhh the black guy I cant remember.You're fighting basically faceless middle managers, politicians and automated systems by the time of Solid, which is scary if you think about it.you're fighting a whole system hence why its hard to just shoot it and get rid of the problem
>>743672563>didn't watch a single cutscene
>>743696120Don't forget there's a lot of hints that The Patriot AIs are the ones who are contracting Venom and DD to take out Skullface for them. Basically the end of most missions in V ends on a cliffhanger and mysterious circumstances>very first mission you're told your target is a commander who is murdering villagers>if you listen to his conversation to his troops, he's actively telling them to NOT murder civilians but someone else is burning down villagesWe can infer this is Skullface and his XOF testing the parasite and burning any evidence with later information. But instead of The Patriots straight up telling you this, they lead you on to an eventual confrontation with the one man who is trying to take them out
>>743696147Nigga I played it like 2 years ago, the hag explains it here https://youtu.be/hAsMuDZ9YNI&t=320 and in some other cutscene laterIt's all capeshit slop anyway, worst fucking game in the series alongside piss walker and shit eater
>>743696120>and uhh the black guy I cant rememberDiaper Chief?
>>743654626>I still can never remember why Big Boss went back to America to train the next generation to defeat himselfIt was a cover. He pretend to be playing nice with the Patriots while he was actually getting shit in motion with Outer Heaven, and as the commander of FOXHOUND he also had the advantage of commanding the exact unit that would be deployed to oppose him. Peace Walker and MGSV muddy this somewhat, since originally Big Boss being in command of Outer Heaven was supposed to be a big surprise to everybody and that doesn't really make much sense now. That said there isn't really an alternative explanation either.This has been an issue since PW, though.
>>743696464Yep, i believe this, because this is basically a parallel of how Solid Snake and Raiden was getting instructions and missions from top sources, who either turn out to be AI or working with the Patriot system themselvesI genuinely believe Big boss was a tool of the Patriots the whole time. I dont think the Patriots ever hated Big Boss, infact, MGSV and Venom was literally... a patriots project after Skullface went nuts and attacked Zero and MSF
>>743672415I recently started replaying Peace Walker and was shocked by how manipulative Big Boss comes across. His recruitment of Chico in particular wasn't quite as grand and heroic as I remembered.
>>743697525>how manipulative Big Boss comes acrossDo niggers here forget that Naked Snake was the CIA's top operator?>Security/Intelligence apparatus acts sneaky and manipulative hmmmm
>>743697525ground zeroes and tpp put into perspective his more manipulative aspects
>>743698003More like his incompetence. Not only half of his feats weren't even his, he didn't even come up with the Venom Snake plan himself and the mission that branded him "Big Boss" had a guy designated to cover his fuck ups.
>will never get rising 2 because kojima is a faggotlol imagine saying you'll make the sequel as long as platinum stay on, then getting turned down by platinum because they don't care about your self indulgent 40 min cutscenes lol
>>743696838Zero likes and idolizes Big Boss, plus the Patriots and Diamond Dogs are never truly openly at odds with each other. When they are, it's either Skull Face's XOF or XOF members just happen to be in the vicinity.
>>743696829That's why i think if we ever get a MGS 6, it should be a retelling of MG 1 and 2. Those events don't make sense with the story as it exists now.
>>743650698I can't wait for the Master Collection Vol 2 bros...I want to play MGS4
>>743698565>Those events don't make sense with the story as it exists now.A lot of minor things don't. Remakes would just make that shit worse. Konami also cannot make good games to save their lives, and that's been the case since the 2000s, so I'd rather we just didn't. Nothing about UE5 Eater made me optimistic.
>>743651074He did EVERYTHING wrong actuallyand then his son banged his wife and he fucking killed himself lmao
>>743698714I consider Delta to be perfectly alright. Anyway, the events of MG 1 and 2 retroactively became the most important operations of the franchise, so retelling it makes sense not only to add in the new lore but also because no one still living played the original 2 games.
>>743699076>no one still living played the original 2 games.Speak for yourself, Zoom Zebra. Metal Gear 2 is one of the best games in the series in terms of level design.
>>743699143I did not say the game is bad, i said no one currently alive played them. We all know the story through one way or another, but if three people on this thread touched Metal Gear 1 or 2 that's already a lot.
Metal Gear died because it could not survive in today's gaming climate.
>>743699143>Metal Gear 2 is one of the best games in the series in terms of level designCome on bro
>>743699567Say that again.
>>743699567It did, however, SURVIVE...Good-luckman
>>743699714>>743699779
>>743699807Chiral printers?
>>743651074Fuck you Huey you traitor I'm glad you became an hero after your son fucked your wife
>>743699604I'm not really seeing the issue here. Using the central elevator can be annoying but the purpose of the room is timing how you move to avoid the guards walking through the spiral, which doesn't take much effort; it's just a bit of a pace breaker if you need to crawl under the walls, but you often won't. In terms of variety and enemy placement it's one of the best games in the series without question. It even uses crawling better than any other game in the series.If you wanted to assume your position as Supreme Bitch you could have at least picked the swamp or something.
>>743699714>>743699779>>743699807Survive in hindsight seems like kojima was involved but they merely removed his name, which is funny when you consider how much people called it dishonourabru and not a real metal gear. Although i have never played it, it looks so similar to Death Stranding...
>>743699076>I consider Delta to be perfectly alright.Most of the changes are for the worse, and the rest are at best lateral. The one exception being the drop on the tranq gun which was a good choice, but that pales in comparison to the rest. It's not a travesty or anything but even something like the new Star Fox 64 remake is head and shoulders above Delta.
>>743700170I'm still waiting until it's 5 bucks to play it for once. >It's currently still at 15.99 on Steam
wooooooaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
>>743700170It's because it's just the MGSV map uglified, which coincidently matches the endless gray of Death Stranding. Kojima expressed a desire to make a zombie game at the time but claimed to have no involvement with Survive.
>>743700170Survive is hunter gatherer walking simulatorDeath stranding is industrial wagecuck walking simulator
>>743700016Boss my friend, the devil
>>743700472The jeep ride was actually one of the coolest, most kino scenes in all of gameing, and I can't believe people don't appreciate it.>skullface says "big boss" in mocking quotation marks, revealing he knows Venom is a double (he doesn't care because he relates to Venom better and knows he's a better revenge target)>Big Boss is far gone enough that he sits down with his mortal enemy in parallel face to face with him, reflecting how they are mirror images>skullface sets up the precipace for Venom's villain motivations by having the exact same motivations in having his identity stolen: "I was invaded by words; burrowing and breeding inside me. A philosopher once said: it is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake, our native tongue is our true fatherland. My "truth," my heritage was stolen from me."Skullface is not speaking about himself. He is serving as a mirror to Venom Snake, reflecting the same motivations that will, in ten years, make him a villain. He lost even more than skullface did.>the absolute kino reveal of "The word became flesh. The final parasite. It knows English. I will exterminate the English language."Kino kino kino
>>743700342>>743700472Man, Venom's demon design is so fucking cool. The shrapnel horn and demonic robotic arm is peak character design
>>743700795To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
>venom's sneaking suit design simultaneously becomes the MGS1 sneaking suit design, and MGS2 Solidus's doc ock battle suitKino. You literally make the future equipment of the saga in MGSV, if you are paying close attention.
>>743701162And that bionic arm?Nanomachines.
>>743701162Overall it's alright, but I think TPP's sneaking suit forgot that the reason Snake has a big padded vest in MGS1 was because it's fucking cold in Alaska. Every time I see Venom wearing TPP's suit I think about how excruciatingly sweaty it must be to wear that shit in Afghanistan.
>>743662401And Solid Snake canonically out sneaked their ass on his first mission.
>>743701592It's designed for nocturnal infiltrations, and nights are cold in the desert
>>743701561>nanomachinesAlso made from more specifically the metallic archaea introduced in MGSV. Maybe implied to be the parasites in general, but "digitized." It's also heavily implying that the precursor to the patriots, the Philisophers from the 1800s, used "parasites" and their cobra unit the same way the Patriots use nanomachines and FOX/Foxhound.
>>743678521Armstrong is canon dummy
>>743671267MGS1's manual said Big Boss was a world war 2 vet only for Liquid to call him young during the cold war, then MGS2 set up the fast aging to be because "Big Boss was in his late 50's when they created his copies" only to immediately walk it back to LET happening when he was 37. This isn't the most hyper autistic about canon franchise we think it is.
>>743700795>The jeep ride was actually one of the coolest, most kino scenes in all of gameing, and I can't believe people don't appreciate it.It's quite long, is framed in a very mundane boring way(or just not framed at all as it's not a cutscene) and Venom remains a quiet fuck the whole journey.>the absolute kino reveal of "The word became flesh. The final parasite. It knows English. I will exterminate the English language."By this point it's Skull Face third motivation and means very little. We already had nuclear saturation, control of nuclear weapons, destruction of all languages but english and now the same thing but reversed.
>>743701162I like to headcanon that that is also The Boss's bandana, and that Venom Snake gave The Boss's bandana to him on his deathbed in MG1.
>>743701851It ain't that cold in the spring/summer.
>>743700795The entire game was "KINO" BEFORE you knew how hard and dry they FUCKED US with "Chapter 3" and any potential follow up content. They couldn't even milk MGO3 properly.
>>743701948Big Boss's lore was divided into two characters via MGS3.Big Boss's previous ww2 accomplishments now belong to The Boss, funnily enough similarly to how his 80s accomplishments now belong to Venom Snake, and his Snake Eater mission can be accredited to Skullface.Literally every game that expands upon Big Boss, also introduces a new character who deconstructs his legend via taking credit for his accomplishments.>didnt fight in ww2>didnt complete snake eater alone>his most notable period of deployment, the 80s and 90s, are now divided among naked, venom, and solidus snakeIt's actually pretty cool how slowly and long burned we got the Big Boss deconstruction. From ww2 hero to villainous monster who stole everything from others.
>>743701948>MGS1's manual said Big Boss was a world war 2 vet only for Liquid to call him young during the cold warAn even more amusing example is Big Boss being part Japanese with a family history of internment because Japan was still in its obligatory dose of GRORIOUS NIPPON for every Western character phase. Thank God that shit got scrapped.
>>743702161>funnily enough similarly to how his 80s accomplishments now belong to Venom Snake, and his Snake Eater mission can be accredited to Skullface.People overrate Skullface. He was Zero's secret bitchboy on cleanup duty. A capable agent certainly, but he wasn't the one sneaking through Groznyj Grad or running from The Fury's flamethrower.Likewise we know Big Boss still accomplishing things in the 1980s too, even if it's mixed up with Venom now.
>>743702097There was no "Chapter 3"
>>743702345He was, however, leaving item drops for snake, cleaning up bodies, and probably prepping future routes and providing your radio team backup the intel they needed.When you think on how all the "gameplay" elements of MGS3 such as despawning bodies or item drops are now actually retconned to be Skullface supplying Snake, Snake's overall accomplishments actually become a lot less impressive.Most weapons, camos, food items, and supplies he acquired were most likely planted by skullface.
>>743702518Lies. They recycled the last set of missions for obvious reasons.
>>743702345Now I wonder if he worked under Ocelot, they don't really interact in V
I like to imagine that, after realizing slowly that his development was being fucked by Konami, chose to rework the story of MGSV around the cut content via creating a "phantom pain." I wouldn't be surprised if he intentionally cut more than was requested, to intentionally invoke a feeling of "something missing" as the penultimate metacommentary. It is very telling, for example, that KOTF was cut more than 2 years before release.Although i do think more content was planned, i like to feel that the absolute unraveling of part 2 in MGSV is actually an intelligently planned metanarrative about loss. Truly, there has never been a game that more fully makes the protagonist and the player one and the same. It is high art, even if unfinished.
>>743702698There is a fair amount of evidence that ocelot might have had a hand in the motherbase attack. Ocelot wanted to isolate big boss from miller to properly set him back on course after peacewalker, and the way the game unravels really does make it seem all intentional.I would not be surprised if skullface is behind Ground Zeros. Have you ever noticed how both characters are desperado cowboys? That is a very intentional mirroring.
>>743702597I know you want more of the game, but all you got is all that was written (with the exception of KOTF of course)That "Chapter 3" title card means nothing. It was probably meant for chapter 2 when first was split into separate afghan and africa chapters. There are a lot of strange decisions like that, maybe made last minute to convey the sense of "a phantom pain".
>>743650698>i don't read books or watch moviesYeah we can tell
>>743702834rumors of kojima dipping came around march of 2015game released in septembergo figure
>>743702345>>743702698>>743702964Ocelot and Skullface are ADAM and EVA. Ocelot was Snake's frontline support in MGS3, and Skullface was his backlines support.As per the double agent eva twist in mgs3, the "real" EVA never got seen in mgs3 becausd the fake chinese spy eva blew the opportunity.They so, so work together, and ocelot might be more of a traitor than people realize in MGSV via working with skullface historically but VERY subtly.
>>743701953Same here.>bandana goes from Boss to Big Boss>Big Boss drops it in the lake>Venom gets it after Strangelove retrieved it and repaired it>MG1 Solid has no bandana, but he does have it in MG2 after killing Venom
>I still find it fucking insane that the climax of the entire franchise were MG1 and MG2, the 8 bit pixel games made back in the 80s.You don't know the half of it...
>>743701953Imagine the smell.
>>743670004>>743703227The return to camp omega would have shown ocelot as the torturer on sight behind ground zeros. He would be responsible for the attack on motherbase, and the "true" traitor. Huey and Miller are misdirections.As for why he did it? Gave him the perfect opportunity to groom "Big Boss" into his idealized husbando, in a controlled psyop environment.The medic twist is the *actual* brainwashing, where Ocelot convinces "Big Boss" that he has no identity, is a nameless faceless representation of soldiers, and "not the real Snake."You play as the real snake in MGSV and he is reconstructed by Dr. Madnar via cybernetics and nanomachines, directly as MG2 clearly established before the retcon took place. Big Boss, waking up from Outer Heaven's fall as a reconstructed cyborg, then realizes that the "phantom" never existed in the first place.
>>743704283Ocelot was also responsible for torturing kaz.He is a canonical spetznaz torturer in Afghanistan during the 80s via MGS1, and we find Miller in a spetznaz torture camp. Lol.
>>743698284YOUR fuckupsmy Naked Snake had a full stealth run with no kills or bullets outside the shagohod fight
>>743650698That's pretty good thematics wise. The series have this whole subtheme of how lies and truths intertwine and mix and blur giving birth to legends and beliefs. Bravo Kojima.
>>743698325I'm pretty sure the Gray Fox killing zombies pitch was a joke
who the fuck is venom?i haven't played 5 or kept up with this franchise in almost 10 years
>>743705121He's me
>>743705121He's Literally Me - the character
>>743705154No, he's the two of us together.
>>743705121He's Big Boss
>>743702537>He was, however, leaving item drops for snake, cleaning up bodies, and probably prepping future routes and providing your radio team backup the intel they needed.We don't really know what he did, just that he was in an auxiliary support role that tidied things up. It's not like he had ties to the Soviet fish and wildlife reserve dumping rabbits and snakes for him to eat. Most of the resources in the game are things it would make sense to be there already. The whole point was that he was following behind Snake. He didn't even do this alone, since even back then XOF existed. He had a covert unit alongside him. It was significant recon stuff but it was Naked Snake that took down the Cobras. It was Snake that got punched in the gut by Volgin. It was Naked Snake that blew up the Shagohad.Even in terms of cleanup it's not clear what all he did, since part of the premise of MGS3 is that whatever traces Naked Snake did leave were a useful and necessary indication of American involvement.
>>743704283>>743704541The actual "truth" that big boss was hypnogogia'd to be unable to see. Him and ocelot rode off together on horse and motor bike, to the tanker ship. And then MGSV took place as ocelot tortures kaz in afghanistan on your first mission as you collect the intel, prepping the further seeds of doubt, delusion, and schizophrenia in big boss that he isnt the "real thing"Except he was, the whole time. It convinced Big Boss's enemies that he was in hiding, and gave him the perfect opportunity to mould him.The entire world knows he's "fake," except he isn'tIn a word, it's doublethink.
>we will never get a new MGS game
>>743705568What makes you say that? Konami clearly knows how to handle this franchise.Didn't you like Survive? Or Delta?
>>743705610
>>743660712he's a fucking fanfic self insert with zero personality
>>743705413Is all of this from delta or just conjecture from the fever dream tapes of V?
>>743705121some rando that was apparently the best soldier big boss ever had even though we never heard any mention of him in games prior like peace walker, he was then brainwashed into becoming venom snake
>>743705445>mgsv has a whaling ship in parallel to mgs2's tanker chapter
>>743687712portable ops and ground zeros ones are the best. really stylish and look like actual sneaking suits>>743694850legs are the most important things to protect during every operation
>>743705568based
>>743705964>Is all of this from deltaIt's just from what Skull Face says in TPP.
>>743672563>idk where your shitty explanation came from, it's not in the gameAre you for fucking real mate?
>>743705121Kojima said he's literally a random medic soldier you recruited in peace walker. lol
>>743706161I like the PO suit. Shame about almost everything else in that misbegotten game.
>>743705610looks familiar...also i just noticed they fucked up and put a "й" instead of "и" lol
>someone ported keifer face into delta, albeit without bandana or one eye support>still no proper delta into V port, just one dude's attempt to eyeball it for an avatar head
>>743706243So, he checks out and lets liquid use his bodyA ghost, a meme, an engram; same difference.
>>743706304>>743705992so the entire series is about this guy (big boss) being the best soldier ever and how important his legacy is because of it but then kojumbo inserts a random nobody into the game who is an even better soldier and he just dies without any fanfare because he was retconned into the story?
>>743706510The whole point is there's nothing special about Big Boss, he's just a product of his life experiences
>>743706613who the hell thought that would be a good message
>>743706504Quick question, what does the word doppelganger mean?
>>743706673They wanted to repeat the MGS2 message of how any random shitlord like Raiden can be trained, stimulated and turned into a Snake. Except this time, make it a meta-narrative about how the player, as one of Big Boss's staunchest supports and his "best soldier" as the Medic, is the one taking up the mantle as part of the legend, and unlike Raiden rejecting his situation, the player indulges it with all the hell that comes alongside it.
>>743705121He is, All of Me.
>>743706673The message is your genes don't define you.The Patriots cloned Big Boss and all three clones turned against them, and one of them succeeded at destroying them.The only "clone" that did end up being a perfect copy of Big Boss was Venom, a rando that was brainwashed into thinking he was Big Boss, proving memes > genes.
This thread unironically just elevated this game to legendary status for me. Bravo Kojima. Really, like, what a perfect finale message if this is the intent."Ghosts," memes, legends, it is all one and the same. There is no "truth" and nothing is "real." Reality is belief.
>>743706779they didn't perform it gracefully like mgs2 at all
>>743706510 yes. Kojima wanted to do the raiden twist again but way worse. he thought he was a genius by lying in every single interview about how the game is the missing link between Big Boss' saga and Solid Snake's saga. phantom pain is a giant nothing burger fanfic filler game about a fanfic self insert oc doing boring unimportant shit while big boss fucked off to somewhere doing actually important stuff that Kojima promised that phantom pain was going to be about. the twist was incredibly easy to guess by the subtitle of the game, the prologue section with the character creator, and the fact that Big Boss didn't have Paz's body parts in his skull, face scars, or mechanical hand in MGS4
>>743707173How can you when your entire game project gets compromised
>>743705568Do you really need another one?
>>743707204>doing important stuffWhat, building some base in the middle of a desert?Peace Walker was the missing link, there was nothing left to tell.Instead he made what MGS was missing: an actual videogame and not a movie.
>>743707204See>>743705445Retard got iq filtered, played a lethal playthrough, and isn't the "real legend." The real legend fucked off while you indugled a murder fanfic after getting brainwashed by ocelot, lol. You could never be the "real" big boss.
>>743705568At this point the indies getting into 3D really just have to be the people that some day continue what won't really happen much now. Everyone parodies the 2D games but never much beyond that.
>>743707432>At this point the indies getting into 3D really just have to be the people that some day continue what won't really happen much nowthe issue with that is that indie developers only know how to make soulslike/roguelike games
>>743669675>>743669282Big boss (real) "silenced paz" before they were compromised. He didnt rescue her. Ground zeros is a delusion implanted by ocelot and big boss's helicopter was struck with an rpg missile by the XOF chopter.All truths are real. Read between the lines.
>>743707356 oh yeah. amazing video game where you drive around a giant empty fucking desert, go through the most boring missions in the series with zero level design, to tedious repetitive busy work centered around managing hundreds of menus between millions of loading screens, and watch your horse shit for 800 hours. who wants a tightly designed 5 hour long game like MGS1 where every single moment is memorable when you can have a total 800 hour long piece of shit like phantom pain where 99% of the game is boring and forgettable ubisoft style open world slop
>>743707880Way better than watching endless cutscenes and putting up with retarded game design like giving you a top down camera in a game about situational awareness.
>>743707880Best story ever written, though. You readin this thread? Kojima cooked.
>>743707880Sounds like an upgrade from "go from point a to point b to watch a cutscene" shit the series was drowning in
>>743707870>"big boss" is guilty over silencing paz and imagines her being saved by the "medic" insteadIt fits.
>>743706161>>743687712Portable Ops is so fucking good. Can't wait for Delta style remake and enhanced version with fixed controls and UI in Master Collection Volume 3 desuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXkgn3QUA2w
>>743707880>big boss lost his peace and quiet and embraced war
>>743708167Reminder that the real Big Boss only interaction with Quiet was setting her on fire.
>>743707870Sometimes i can't tell if anons are ironic schizos or real schizos and that scares me.
i just want an MGSV without the retarded PW grind multiplied several times over, and with an open world of sneaking that actually feels interesting to sneak in instead of POIs with roads and empty space. like, in moment to moment gameplay it's great, some weird quirks aside that still make me yearn for MGS4 days, but the overall package is so lacking even discounting plot from the mix.
>>743708949Then don't grind, only thing you need to complete the game is the upgraded Fultons.
i'm glad that at least mgs threads on /v/ are still good and comfy :)
>>743708949I hope we get a remaster some day. Unfinished games truly do have the most potential for the remaster slop genre. It seemed the more obvious one over delta, frankly. Konami is missing an easy 100 million in sales I bet.
>>743699567why does he wear that mask?
>big boss raises sniper wolf to replace quiet
>>743707880The game is also an unfinished mess. Despite the scope and insane amount of padding, it's like 30% of what Kojimbo wanted to create. He wasted so much of Konami's money that the CEO wanted him dead, which led to the cancellation of Silent Hills, a switch to pachinko business, and all of that other drama people were vocal about in 2015https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK7SeYf8zxs
>>743709478No it isn't, the leaked script shows only Chico, the Battle Gear and Episode 51 were cut, which was meant to be DLC.This place has spent a decade making shit up about MGSV because it wasn't a movie.
>>743709478>a switch to pachinko business, and all of that other drama people were vocal about in 2015election tourist of mgs lolate up all journo lies
>>743709036:)
>>743709643Kojima will never have sex with you
>>743709478>No it isn't, the leaked script shows only Chico, the Battle Gear and Episode 51 were cut, which was meant to be DLC.>This place has spent a decade making shit up about MGSV because it wasn't a movie.
>>743709643The supposed leaked script is a nothingburger schizopost that was never shown to have any legitimacy.
>>743709751Don't care, MGSV is the only thing he's made that's worth playing.The rest is all crap movies with some of the most awful dialogue I've ever heard.It's honestly pitiful comparing him to talented writers, such as Tolkien, and how they managed to say more about war with a story about dragons and elves than Kojima in like 8 military themed games where he failed to say something more than "nukes are bad".
>>743709867As opposed to people who insist a 50 hour long game from a guy who, up to that point, only made 15 hour long games, is somehow only a third of the planned content?
>>743654682>liquid is channeling psycho mantis via the bond they gain in MGSV to survive as a "meme" in ocelot>the two go together
>>743709934I agree. Tolkien and any actual author btfo's kojima out of the water. I do think Kojima probably remains the best writer of the videogame genre, however.
>>743709796Where is all that content then?Why is there not a single string, not a single line of code pointing at any major content missing?There are lines of code regarding Battle Gear and some related to the map Episode 51 was supposed to take place in, and lines of code in the MGSV phone app about Chico.Messy projects like this don't have time to scrub leftover data in detail, so where is it?
>>743671486you don't. this is one of those games you finish and never play again because you realize how empty the game really is
>>743709209>Sniper Wolf exposes her tits all the time because Venom wanted her to be like Quiet>she's obsessed with wolves because of D-Dog>scrathes Solid's face to make him look a bit more like scar covered Venom>calls him Saladin just before she diesThis makes a bit too much sense.
>>743710229Kojima (praise be upon him) invented all video games, they're in his head. But he's also a human being working in human limitations.
>>743709796The cope is on you for refusing to accept that Kojima just wasn't very ambitious with MGSV's plot.
>>743671486Don't use the tranq, go all lethal(smokes/stun nades are ok). It'll be harder to get the gear you want, but you can win with even basic equipment.And try to use the guns you didn't try before. Even the unsilenced ones. I had plenty of fun with shotguns, actually.
>>743651534No, this would not really work unless it was for a heroic ending of sorts. Yes, the whole >Sacco and Vanzetti theme was kino, but the point was that Sacco and Vanzetti were easy scapegoats because of their race, their ideology etc... not that they actually did the thing. There was nothing good that came from their death, and Snake / Otacon doing so at the very end of it would have only worked if they somehow bookended the entire series for good in a "if I do this, all the shit we've been fighting for generations will be put to bed. I along with it, is a small price to pay for a better world" thing. Not the world that leads to MGR:R or other shit going badly, or the retcons of the past etc.
>>743710373It's like poetry, it rhymes
>>743710729Sovl
>>743671486Any suggestions for a first time player? I 100%'d Ground Zeroes years ago and then started TPP like twice and then ended up with it getting into the backlog. When playing through missions the first time is it worth it to try and get a high rank? Do S rank completions require that you do everything in one try (ie no kills, no alerts (or not being seen at all even if you knock em out before alert?), all side objectives, fast etc? ) or can you you finish it fast with minimal objectives and loud and get an S rank for speed, then come back and take ages to silently do everything proper and still get S overall because you already got max speed etc? I know certain missions even early on can't be done with side objectives until you get late game stuff like being able to fulton a fucking car etc.
Choose
>>743711337Metal gear rising has such a soundtrack
>>743711337FROGs.
>>743711337Sex with Courtney and the black dude watches
>>743711103>playing through missions the first time is it worth it to try and get a high rankNo. You're gonna need better items or better understanding of the cheese to get higher ranks. They pay you more but you kind of don't need it.>Do S rank completions requireAll they require is 13000 points(and no rank restricting stuff like invisibility or bombardment). MOST of the time you can sprint from point A to point B and destroy the objective from a long range only to sprint outside the mission area to finish it. You'll get S rank even if you get a combat alert or two. Better stealth gives you some bonuses like a no kill, no alert, no reflex(if disabled it's just free points), etc. and that just means a bit more points, but it usually pales in comparison to the time bonus. Overall it's not worth doing bonus objectives for higher rank alone because they're time consuming, but you're still gonna have to do them for 100%. I'd recommend just doing them first and then worrying about S ranking after.You're not gonna have any fun if you try to speedrun the missions on your first go like an autist.>come back and take ages to silently do everything proper and still get S overallYou can have a no traces bonus that guarantees S rank, but it's not always feasible because you sometimes have to destroy stuff or kidnap a dude and that alone voids your no traces attempt.
>>743711337Sunny!
>>743711337Give me one of the frog girlsThe mask stays on
>>743711337sunny cunny
>>743712076>model was stuck in pre-rendered scenes onlythey knew what they were preventing
>>743711337Row-to-row:Mistral The ParisianLabcoatRed Riding Hood Olga's pit hairMei LingBandana
RULES OF NATURE
>>743712076Does she shave her armpits?
>>743651537the problem is that despite looking older, MGS2 states that Solidus came AFTER solid and liquid.
>>743650775The real climax is all over Meryl's face after she's finished blowing me.
>>743672174>And I don't even know if the Camp Omega port is worth addingRemember when we were supposed to get a mission to return there. Feels bad man.
Post your HOPES and THEORIES for Physint
>>743718098it isn't clunky for actual combat/stealth like Death Stranding and, whether the story is retarded or not, the gameplay at least takes from MGS4 and V to be a solid thing in its own right
>>743718153>solidI genuinely hope that anon's theory earlier is real and it is a "Metal Gear Liquid" spiritual successor type deal.
>>743711337Meryl
>>743652461Wouldn't both Big Boss and Solidus being doing political stuff, while Venom set up Outer Heaven?It was only after that fell that Big Boss establishes Zanzibar land
>>743663115Look at the first reply and realize who wants to silence you.
>>743718098I pray to God it's more linear. If the whole game could be on the level of the first mission in MGS4 then that would be great.
>>743719124>>743718098Praying for a linear a>b route game. I have open world fatigue.
>>743708141Wasn't Vol 2 it's best chance of being released?
I just want well thought out interiors. It's fucked how you "infiltrate" entire bases but the only interior you see in actual gameplay is that one base in Afghanistan where you pick up Volgin's corpse and it's just a square with a couple of rooms. The mansion sucks donkey balls.
>>743719758Im a fan of the interiors of the villages. You sneak through abandoned schools on more than one occassion in the game, and the homes are full of family portraits. You can hold up enemies by hiding under beds.That mission to rescue the scientist had good interiors too; fultoning him through the ceiling is funny.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AnClc4F--DA
>>743650698The climax of the entire franchise is the Gray Fox fight in MG2, everything from that point in the entire series is just chasing his words.
>>743711337telikobossfortuneparamedic (portable ops outfit)
>>743650698I want someone to takeover the series from Kojima just to make a new iteration series like Splinter Cell. Where the plot is not highly complex and it's movie like production values are degraded but all in service of it's infiltration gameplay. There was potential seen in Ground Zeroes at least. I don't imagine Koji the "auteur" is going to do it on Physint without some major caveats dragging the whole thing down.
sunny was the climax
>>743720243How so?
>>743663115https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwmswZVG-Uwhttps://www.reddit.com/r/NeverBeGameOver/comments/1h9wq90/mgsv_is_about_911/https://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/150r85t/fan_theory_mgsv_is_a_retelling_of_911_and_the_war/This is hardly even a theory. The game is directly engaging these themes and mods are faggots.
Was Phantom Pain the last game that /v/ was genuinely really excited for?
>>743723681I still remember some of the crackpot theories anons came up with back then. This one's my favorite, and it's not even a complete joke.
>>743663115>>743723574https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuseGround zeros is referencing this particular detainmant camp through the prisoners, guards, and animations reflecting the infamous photographed tortured prisoner pose.
>>7437236812015 was just an awful time for everything and they knew how to sell you on trailers alone.
>>743723681That was such an amazing time to frequent this place, the crackpot theories were so fun to read
>>743724368VENOM SNAKE = Medic was one of those crockpot theories all the way back when Ground Zeroes trailer released (2013 I think?)Fucking crazy that its actually turned out true lol
>>743724092XV before Royal Edition still was a more complete product than Phantom Pain
>>743723838The archives don't go that far back, got any more mgsv screencaps from that time?
>>743650775This is true and why the game is called MGSVee instead of MGS5. It’s a spin-off in the vein of Survive and Rising.
>>743651074categorically wrong.
>>743651435Japanese version reused the same voice for big boss and venom. Kojima just wanted a star.
>>743651074I wonder if huey was framed. It is hard to tell, but that trial absolutely feels like a sham.Killing strangelove didn't make him any worse than any other member of diamond dogs. A huge part of the Huey story is how Big Boss and his gang of mercenaries are hypocrites in prosecuting a murderer when they are literally mercenaries for hire.I doubt huey knew the inspection was fake, and I doubt he is responsible for the vocal chord parasites. He did kill strangelove, though.
>Remember when everyone said the big medic plot was retarded as fuck when the game first released> in 2026, people think it's kino
>>743724735They're violent brainwashed mercs, but they're in this together. Huey is agaisnt them initially by incomoetence and then by malice. While his role is unclear, he had his own agenda and was not framed. It means little who has the moral right, Huey was not on their side and only survived because the lore said he did.
>>743706779>anyone can become snakeNo offense to raiden, but snake wouldn't be getting caught in no half-assed trap and turned into a cyborg soldier. There's Snake and then there's "Solid Snake".
>>743718858Anon don't do it, she had hynotherapy to destroy her attraction to men.
>>743650698The Climax of the Series is MGS1 and you know it.
>>743724735Ddogs kill for a job, was Huey contracted to kill Strangelove etc.?
>>743651674He used to be an anime otaku...
>>743728380are you running on low settings or did the game age poorly
>>743728557That's a mod with extra high settings beyond what the game puts out normally, but no FXAA, so the latter.
>>743705830so he's literally ME???
man this is gonna suck
>>743729609What mission's next?
>>743663115>>743723930Wouldn't this prove that the claims about Kojima's anti Americanism to be true and less nuanced than his fans insisted? the nicola and bart thing was already on the nose in regards to Kojima having some pretty radically leftist views.But it's a theory and you can't take it at face value until Kojima outright admitted it was his intention.
>>743729694just did C2W, so it's Over The Fence and Where Do The Bees Sleep?i remember trying MGSV with mods years ago and Bees suddenly had me crouch walking and stuck in one direction for no good reason, but for some reason this save doesn't even go that far so I'm wondering what happened, can't remember for shit
>>743724554>It’s a spin-off in the vein of Survive and Rising.Those have a completely different gameplay, hence why they ditch "solid"TPP is a sequel to PO and PW, "the missing link" trilogy of MGS3 sequels
>>743729726>Kojima having some pretty radically leftist views.I've seen others here mention how he had a weird commie phase during PW that just completely went away when V came out. He is totally a leftist, but just a basic one.
>>743718858BUILT
>>743728380>clashing camoa curse on you
>>743707880>you head to Afghanistan and recruit a sexy young sniper girl>she's not Sniper Wolf though, that's a DIFFERENT sniper girl that just happens to be from the same region of the world who gets recruited by Big Boss at a later date apparently>no, you don't get to see itMissed opportunity, particularly since they had babby Liquid, Mantis, and young(ish) Ocelot already in it.
>>743730116
>>743729878He's honestly just sort of a bizarre case of having his characters ramble about liberal ideals and then turn around and glorify the fuck out of the coolest shit he can come up with no matter how clashing or nonsensical it is to what he said prior. Big Boss in PW is straight up being compared to Che Guevara, and the leitmotif Skull Face is bringing about is a song about the injustice over Nicola and Bart as anarchist Italian immigrants executed by America over the murders they were implicated for, etc, but then most of MGSV tosses that aside as everyone calls each other idiots in favor of kicking Liquid around, making Skull Face excessively petty, and Huey being king dipshit.
>>743730116>>743730148I just hope they give it a decent mouse and keyboard control scheme. I'll still be willing to play with a gamepad, but I'd love to try MGS4 with real mouselook.
>>743730196there might be a cultural & language barrier in place
>>743729735For Fence you can get into the base easily by climbing the cracks on either side of the area.As for Bees, that sounds strange. Maybe a controller issue? Anyway, I recommend actually using D-horse for this one. You can basically skip the first base if you stick to the right side and climb, then avoid the 1 or 2 guys near the outskirts. Then just continue on to the Smasei fort, the weapon isn't really hidden, the bigger hurdle is figuring out that you can enter the deeper part of it. You might want to bring a moderately good assault rifle with you though.
>>743730116>>743730148btw the "contrast" in Master Collection is changed, because a lot of 7th gen games by default were made for limited range RGBm that's why the washed out lookwhen adjusted to full RGB, it's exactly the same as in Master Collection
>>743730296Maybe. To the Japanese, the communism, banana republics and general situation of Cuba and surrounding regions in the 60s is probably the coolest drama piece ever for the era. Big Boss basically being a dude recruiting child soldiers while being held as a messianic revolutionary leading a private military force making sweeping change against foreign influence is on the nose as practically a movie-ification of an outsider's ideals with the matter, though he has the sense for BB to grumble and be aware of some of the irony.
>>743729797I still can't believe we had 3 games of>we're really making Outer Heaven for reals this time guysand then nothing came of it. PW even ends with BB literally saying the words "from now on, call this place... Outer Heaven" and then in GZ/V it just goes>lol no actually
>>743730409looks like a 360 game now lol
>>743730467Renovations take time, cut him some slack
>>743723293Snake is the inheritor of not just the title of Foxhound but Grey Fox's will to create a world without the need for war. That is ultimately the point of metal gear solid, a series of villains who believe that it is okay to commit war as long as it is on some particular set of terms that they believe morally justifies war, and snake who carries gray fox's will and fights for a world where warfighters can one day stop fighting wars.
>>743651074Huey exists to retcon the achievements of my nigga Albert Einstein. Fuck him.
>>743728380no shadows lol
>>743729954the naked snake fatigues only come in the tiger stripe without modding it unfortunately
>>743729726>Kojima's anti AmericanismHe's not anti american you retard lol. He's the biggest westaboo there is. The proof? The entire metal gear franchise is a love letter to western media.What he is though, is anti-imperialism, anti-authoritarianism and anti-intelligence agency overreach. He critiques the rogue security apparatus in all countries (America had the worst one, but also the soviets) and makes stories about what happens when these niggers get free reign
XOF is basically a prototype for the later Outer Heaven/Zanzibar problem.>Armed shadow of Cipher that becomes autonomous, develops its own will, gets access to terrifying weapons, then has to be destroyed by the very system that created or enabled it.There's a lot of parallels with Big Boss becoming the enemies he fights.>He becomes a rogue state actor that holds a country hostage with nuclear weapons AKA Volgin>He becomes the rogue mentor figure that Snake has to kill AKA The Boss>He ends up making 'Outer Heaven' which was derived from Gene's Army's Heaven (Portable Ops)>He becomes an evil nuclear mastermind in MG1 and MG2, basically Hot Coldman from Peace Walker>He becomes the rogue arm of Cipher that had to be destroyed by a Snake in MG1 and MG2 (XOF+ Skullface)Every villain Big Boss fights is basically... him from the future
>>743707972>>743708008The cutscenes in MGS games can be skipped. Funnily enough MGSV is FAR worse with the unskippable helicopter ride loading screens, actual loading screens, traversing the horrible open world, waiting for Pequod to arrive, spending time in menus, waiting for things to develop, and so on. But clearly you didn't catch on to how much of your time it wastes because it's a bit more abstract
>>743732884>unskippable helicopter ride loading screensChance to scout the AO and/or listen to intel>actual loading screensFair>traversing the horrible open worldOpen worlds suck everywhere.>waiting for Pequod to arriveTension>spending time in menusMostly optional, also you are a boss of an PMC it comes with paperwork.>waiting for things to developMostly irrelevant until you get to the online FOB stuff. Just do a mission or explore motherbase etc.
>>743732884Old MGS gameplay is a waste of time>walk to the end of the stage (enemies are blind and deaf)>shoot the thing until lifebar drainsHow exciting
>>743733176>stage
>>743710002You think MGSV has 50 hours of worthwhile content?
>>743733057>>unskippable helicopter ride loading screens>Chance to scout the AO and/or listen to intelI'd rather be allowed to spend that time scouting things from the ground level. Besides most of the time you drop in far, FAR away from anything interesting happening. Unless you're going in with the miniguns.You're also often sent back to base after certain missions and have to wait even more during the heli departure.>>waiting for Pequod to arrive>TensionNot really. Not unless you call him into the middle of the base in the middle of a combat alert and that kind of goes against the "stealth" part of the stealth game. It's just waiting if you forget to call him in early after doing the objective.>>waiting for things to develop>Mostly irrelevantNot at all. It's still pointless waiting that doesn't serve any purpose. You are not entertained during that time, you're just killing time. There isn't even an animation of the gun being developed, you're just hit with a timer for no reason.
>>743733057You can make any excuses you want, but it's a fact that MGSV wastes far more of your time with loading screens and open world crap that is unskippable. Even in MGS4, the game most memed for its cutscenes, you can skip the opening and start sneaking right away Meanwhile in MGSV, you have the worst scripted intro in the history of gaming and then this is the kind of amazing HYA mission design that awaits you https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iZf52nhxQ-w
>>743650698>MGSV>Got filtered by the weaponless stealth mission where you had to blow up radars:(
>>743733896Just grab the grenades from the outhouse by the floodlight. Or walk straight into the radio room and blow that up(even more grenades in there).
>>743734030I remember some of them had these... honeybee? launchers or something.
>>743734063Yeah, works too. You can even just dump bullets into the radio itself, it'll break after just a couple.
>>743651537I have no idea what you guys are talking about and i've played all the PlayStation games up to MGS4.
>>743672563Big Boss straight up tells you this at the end of the game
Zanzinar... forgive me
>>743706704German for dubbelganger, which is Dutch for like a visual clone or impersonator of someone
>>743730656Metal Gear has the same problem as Star Wars now where like a hundred different people designed the super weapon due to a chain of retcons
>>743730656WTF, Albert Einstein is in Metal Gear?!
>>743672563 >>743696537im >>743680123wild I come back a day later and you STILL dont get itits literally explained at the end of the game, at first, liquid did actually posses ocelot at the end of MGS2, but inbetween MGS2 and 4 he took control again, cut off his arm and replace it with the mechanical arm we see at MGS4. Then he did some bullshit hypnosis therapy to convince himself he actually was Liquid Snake, copying his mannerisms body language etc down perfectly, the idea was to confuse the AI system in MGS4 that he actually was Liquid Snake and bypass the system thinking he has Big Boss's DNA. Then at the end of the fight Ocelot snaps back to reality and dies. Fin
>>743738179Yeah, an he also changed his vocal chords to sound like liquid (in the canon, true, real, original japanese version)
>>743706504So you're just arguing to not be wrong, it's extremely plain and obvious in what was posted.
>>743666107MGS2's mechanic of finding a computer to get your mini map, when half of the areas have guards around corners (that you are meant to use the mini map to know about, due to fixed camera angles), makes it annoying your first playthrough.
>>743716005anon... she's 11...
>>743712076Has Kojumbo ever seen an 11 year old girl?
>>743737135The problem of metal gear is retarded faggots with AIDS are failing to understand the allegorical parts despite the main message being literally spelled out in MGS1 and 2 multiple times instead focusing on the lore fluff and then having schizophrenic episodes:>hurr MGSV is a VR simulation for Big Raiden>i use MGS3 to cope with being molested by my uncle>snake and otacon are gay>MGSV is about 9/11 circumcision>I read the metal gear wiki, now I know everything>there is CLEAR connection in the game from 1987 and 2015 that was planned from the beginning.
Cool thread. Interesting discussion. I think Kojima might actually be saying 9/11 was a conspiracy theory, lol. Why else would he put the twin towers in the ending?
NOT YET, SNAKE! IT'S NOT OVER YET!
>>743724432It was kind of obvious.
>>743724368I really enjoyed the Chico=Quiet theory just because it was funny, though I didn't play Peace Walker so I didn't know much about Chico. I especially liked the "Farewell sausage" tweet from Kojima being used as evidence in favor of it.
>>743746085Every fan theory about Quiet is infinitely more interesting than her actual story in the gameMaybe killing her was the right decision
>>743746843>kill her>game doesn't even remove the mission>eventually forces you to do it anyway to progress
>>743746085KekThe chico theories really were hilarious.It's too bad we never got his cut companion, as seen in the art >>743709478I bet he would have had scenes with hallucination paz, further showing venom go insane. I wonder what their interactions would have been exactly, though...Quiet being unable to speak and being on the same medical platform makes me feel like the three characters actually were connected at one point, lol>hallucinates that paz survives>chico so burned by the helicopter crash that he needs parasite therapy to survive>chico cant talk while venom goes nuts hallucinating whole squad interactions with pazCould've been good. Always curious where chico would have led if not cut from the game and written off as deceased.
>>743733896That's one of the missions in the game that you can complete without ever leaving your helicopter or stepping on the ground. You just fly in and do it from the sky
>>743747069>shinkawa draws his jeff the killer creepypasta oc>schizos go apeshit
>>743742438>there is CLEAR connection in the game from 1987 and 2015 that was planned from the beginning.No, but retard the sequels were blatantly written to expand upon each previous game. MGSV references events from MG1, MG2, MGS1-4, and Peace Walker.
>>743747594Also her cage exists no matter whatOcelot planning 50 years ahead as always
>>743665897So the powers that be (I.E. national governments, The Patriots, etc...), in the age of intelligence, wouldn't be suspicious? Let alone if one dude working for X has a friend working for Y, and they you know meet up for drinks one day and get to talking.There's literally no reason for Big Boss to even have a doppelganger because he's so effective at just hiding underground anyway. Like, he spent nearly a decade personally building Outer Heaven before merging it with Diamond Dogs, and nobody ever knew or cared. Then AFTER the merger Venom isn't even made a poster child or targeted. It's still a "twist" that BB was a double agent during his time with FOXHOUND.This shit makes less than no sense.
>>743718872Big Boss set up Outer Heaven. Venom was technically still a seperate entity operating Diamond Dogs until around 1994-95, whereupon they "officially" merged and Big Boss went back to the U.S. to train his biological son to kill him, for some reason I'm still not 100% sure of.So from approximately 1989-1994, you had Big Boss in Central/South Africa (IIRC), Venom off the east coast of Africa, and Solidus in West Africa.What a thrill.
>>743747639>Ocelot who was a child of a medium to justify him being posessed by an arm graft that justified bringing back the antagonist gone to soon actually amputated the graft and got a synthetic arm then was merely pretending in order to fool two systems that are explicitly DNA basedLorefags who demanded and made credible threats to explain the LORE and CANON of an ALLEGORICAL series might be the worst fanbase in existence because resident evil kpop stans don't venture beyond twitter or tiktokPortable Ops is where the cancer started with the game being retarded braindead fanfic that ruined the rest of the series forever.
>>743748046See>>743706504Iq filtered lol
>>743724735I don't think Huey even killed Strangelove. The circumstances don't make sense.Same wish his suicide, quite honestly. You only ever hear it from Hal's guilt-ridden perspective, who wasn't actually there to witness it, Emma, who has no memory of the event, and it was known that Ocelot was actively killing off former associates (e.g. Donald Anderson).Pretty sure my nigga Ocelot just pushed him into the water and Emma tried to save him.
>>743748046MGS3 making ocelot the main character ruined the series
>>743748206>Pretty sure my nigga Ocelot just pushed him into the waterDamn. You just recontextualized it for me.It's also pretty awful how snake and co. are waterboarding their guests, threatening to break huey's legs, and hooking women POWs up to car batteries.They really aren't as good as a lot of people read the game, lol. People are just desensitized to it all, which i think is part of the commentary.Hooking quiet up to a car battery pretty firmly makes the entire diamond dogs cast nothing but a bunch of terrorists. They are doing the same torture that was done to paz and chico 9 years ago.Diamond Dogs are literally no better than XOF. Venom oversees all of the room 101 cutscenes. And what do you think ocelot is doing in room 101 to convince your staff to join diamond dogs? Do you think he charismatically persuades them? Lol. Ocelot is heavily implied to torture your staff, as well, which is why they love big boss and speak perfect English.
>>743748669>>743748206Reminder that strangelove's "recording" comes from the Boss' AI pod, which has a built in voice synthesizer and makes up things that The Boss didn't say.I doubt the "recording" of Strangelove is anything but a fabrication. Huey really did nothing wrong
>>743748586kek, what was the origin of this template again?
MGSV is the ultimate schizo game
>>743748669>>743748206>>743724735>>743651074>>743699041Huey was really spitting fax when he shouted>"You say that you are an army free from governments. You talk big about being a nation unto yourselves. But from the outside, you're just thugs, rebels, a militia, terrorists, an unhinged threat to society!"Huey wears kojima's glasses because, just like MGS2 and Hal, Huey is Kojima's self insert and he sides with him.
>>743749890It's true. /v/ anons will be schizoposting about this game for a hundred years
>>743749890>ends the series>releases a portable side game>makes a sequel to that as a new mainline game>filled with more questions than answers>unfinished mission as a collector's edition bonus>leaves the company>refuses to elaborate
>>743651537I despise fanserviece fans like you, you are the example what is wrong with videogames since 2007.
>>743750532>sabotages Konami's IP before fucking off to make a stealth action game for SonyBased
EPSTEIN ISLAND, JACK!
lol
How do I start a new save without deleting my save? Should I just use a codex crack? Does it work with mods?
>>743752952Just ask ChatGPT.
>>743650698>the climax of the entire franchise were MG1 and MG2mgs4?fucking retard
>>743753315mgs4 is the epilogue lol
>>743752952Copy your save files to an another folder. Or family share your game with you porn game account.
>>743650698I mean, Konami's current remaster/remake streak is intended to make way for something new... MGS6 as retelling of MG1, maybe 2 aswell, is something they could very much do.
>>743753473sure
>>743753473>destroying the patriots is totally not the climax bro!!!retard
>>743753473No that's Rising.
>>743753576>MGS6 as retelling of MG1a heckin' subversive reboot because konami are still lagging behind and are stuck in 2010s
>>743724763It is kino in concept but in execution it's just MGS2 again
>>743737042Correct. An impersonator.
>>743710696MGR:R was never the plan. The idea was that the whole world would get a reboot after the end of MGS4. Pretty much what you explained was the plan. No shit was gonna go badly unless stated later. Recons in the past don't affect MGS4 ending, at least not directly.The Sacco Vanchetti theme feels flat if Snake and Otacon got to live happily instead of disappearing alongside the rest of the old world
>>743730656DAMN HUEY
>>743700472filtered.
>>743650698I like it, only operator simulator where you can build an army of cute girls.
>>743755176>cute girlsBut that's just a picture of Raiden
>>743755458Raiden has no tits
Video game lore is always stupid and confusing and I've literally never cared about the lore/backstory of any game I played. Even when I TRY to pay attention to things I inevitably end up skipping all the cutscenes by the time im in the last third of the game. I have the platinum for MGSV and I've literally never played any of the other games and all I know is the best twist is that youre a clone of the real Snake. That being said I did get emotional as fuck when Jack Bauer says "I wont scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea." Goddamn that was a good cutscene.
>>743705445Big Boss's passports has the wrong dates.It was issued while both venom and him were in a coma.It has a photo of venom snake on it with no shrapnel, wearing the man who sold the world jacket.See this post for a clear pic of it.>>743665407See pic related for the wrong dates.The "truth" mission is a lie. How did this passport get stamped for entering JFK airport 2 years before it was issued?Why would the Avatar character have a picture with a Diamond Dogs jacket and motorcycle sunglasses and no Horn in 1980? This is after the shrapnel injury of ground zeroes and before V wakes up."V" is the real Snake, psyopped and brainbroken for moulding into "Big Boss."Ocelot knows The Boss is his mother and wants to set Big Boss memetically back on the right path. This is why the Venom ruse is needed.
>>743753843You didn't destroy anything lmfao.
>>743755176>>743755458Raiden is pretty cute
that's not really what the series is about ultimately. It's far more about the media and the state working together to manufacture consensus, and manufacture villains.The series starts with a very straight forward narrative where a hero fights a "big boss", and then the whole thing gradually unravels, until we realise Big Boss wasn't even a guy. He was a character constructed by the intelligence agencies.
>>743756204Imagine the waifufagging if Raiden had been a girl, specially with MGR
>>743755954Wow. That is actually substantial evidence.How has no one discussed this in depth before?
>>743756432>>743755954>>743705445>MGSV ends with Snake talking to his reflection in a mirror, hearing his own voice as another person
>>743756336Raiden is a girl...
>>743756204>>743756336>fem raiden>running around naked in arsenal gear>every rapey scene with vamp>built in cyborg high heels>crying on the floor and grabbing snake’s leghmmmm
>>743756979>raiden was planned as a girl the whole time and was changedBAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT KOJIMA>raiden getting pissed on in big shell
>>743756979>>743756336The "I can fix her" fad would have started back in 2013
>>743757028Vamp, not Raiden
Someone should compile and screenshot this thread's schizoposts. This was a good thread.
>>743757103We are reaching levels of schizo that shouldn't be possible
>>743757367Least insane metal gear fan
This thread is dedicated to all those /kjpg/ anons who fight against medications and common sense every day of their lives
>>743759529Real talk, the overlap with snatcher and kojima's other threads cannot be overstated. So many of kojima's other games are referenced in MGSV. Sahelanthropus is Zone of the Enders etc. Meryl doesn't even appear for the first time in the metal gear series. A lot of MGSV and the body double twist is specifically a snatcher reference
the series clearly needs more mgr sunny
>>743712076>looks older than pazkojima logic
>>743761000If they remake MG1 they should age down einstein's daughterI love little girls they make me feel sobad
>>743757103which ones?
>>743733394I put in over 1000.
Sex with joosten
>>743750010But in MGS2 JD was right, not Snake and Hal
>>743705568I just want MGSV to be properly finished.
>>743748825I'll do you one better: The Boss AI was functional at the time of Strangelove's death and has full access to the Mammal Pod. Its opening of the hatch IS the climax of Peace Walker. Huey isn't an AI engineer, Strangelove is, so it's impropable he somehow reprogrammed the AI or was able to override it to prevent the hatch from opening. Not to mention since The Boss AI is designed to emulate The Boss herself, so it would be and is suicidal and likely resents its existence, so if it became aware that Strangelove created it, it would have every motivation to want revenge, which is the major theme of MGSV.Conclusion? The Boss AI lured (or waited for) Strangelove into the Mammal Pod, then sealed her in. Huey had no logical motivation (the infant pilot shit makes no sense and doesn't even work logistically with the design of Sahelanthropus) or ability to commit this inane murder.One thing I do believe he lied about is his knowledge of her death. He likely found her shortly after her death and was unable to remove her due to him being a cripple, and probably lied to Ocelot and Kaz out of fear and/or sadness, and why would he lie? Because they act like psychopaths towards him fron the word go under baseless assumption regarding MSF's demise 10 years prior.There's a reason Venom judges him the way he does. He's not innocent, because he still has questionable morals regarding his design of weapons and willingness to contract with pretty much anyone, including MSF/DD themselves. But he's also just ultimately a civilian. He's not a war dog, just a mad scientist who isn't even all that mad, and ultimately nothing Ocelot and Kaz accuse him of sticks, and the ironic part is they never accuse him of the aforementioned. Him designing weapons and shit in general is not the issue. Their only concern was his loyalty. They wanted him to be a sycophant, and he wasn't one.R.I.P. Huey.
>>743750834It's not about fanservice. I was fine with the idea of a new, original character as the protagonist of MGSV. My issue is that every theme relating to Venom is just recycled from Solidus'.If you're not going to do something actually original, why bother with a "new" character and the hoops you have to jump through to explain the story and thematics you could've just extrapolated on with the long previously-since established character you have?Not to mention that nobody fucking cares about Metal Gear or Metal Gear 2, or how Big Boss survived. People liked MGS2, and you had the opportunity to tell this story of MGSV, while expanding on MGS2, and have it be more effecient.Instead, it's Medicman. This random dude who was just as good in the field as Big Boss, so we mindraped him and did a facial reconstruction on him. Why? Uh, so that I, the real Big Boss, could train my genetic offspring to murder him.Whoa... Bravo, Kojimbo.
>>743671486Realism playthrough. Don't use the radar or any of the fictional gear like the binocular markings, allies like the dog, weapons like the tranq or the arm, etc. Don't call in support unless the support drop is out of range of enemy weapons. Play every mission like a real infiltrator would doing stuff like observing the field for a while before going in. Use the canon timeframe of the Phantom Pain Incident, about 8 months. Go for a real Snake technique and use CQC at every opportunity.>>743711337EVA and Boss obviously. Everything else is wrong.
