Now that the dust has settled can we all agree that Reload is the best way to experience Persona 3?
Agreed, there's too many QoL instances to be ignored, yet chuds will pretend that stuff got censored (it didn't) or that the music is bad (it isn't and it's moddable)
>>743657223No.
Mitsuru is so hot in Reload
>>743657254if you have to mod it, then it isn't good
>>743657223If you're a tranny because of that one screen of dialogue yeah maybe
>>743657254>moddableThat's not a good argument. It's not the player's job to fix a game.
>>743657451And yet Skyrim is your favorite game hm?>>743657371Aw look at the P4fag mad that his Revival sucks
>>743657557>And yet Skyrim is your favorite game hm?never played that shit
>>743657557>strawmanI accept your confetti.
>>743657223>incomplete product with no FeMC and a bootleg voice cast>best way to experience Persona 3lol
>>743657254it was censored. so you're just lying. however the censorship doesn't make the game bad it's still good
Beats me if it's the best way or not, but it's the only version I'm going to play.
>>743657223>be Shinji>win the genetic lottery of being the most handsome man in all of Persona games>want to die anyway cuz muh mistakeswhat a bitch
>>743657223No because that isn't Persona 3, it's Persona 3 Reload
>>743657223Just to experience "Persona 3" yeah.But to experience the dreadful Persona 3 atmosphere that everyone remembers? No.
>>743657223No, we can't agree on falsehoods.
>>743657254>(it didn't)bait
>worse looking atmosphere ruined by ugly lighting>easy as balls due to theurgy, full party control, and choosable skill inheritance without any restrictions or reason not to just pass the best shit on, leading to homogonized demon builds>worse ost>worse english voice acting>MC can't equip all weapon types>party control is worse than it is in FES if you actually want to play the game how it was made to be playedI could go on and on. There's no upsides to this unless you just need the models and general graphics to look better at the expense of the art design. That being said, you're still playing a good game at its core, so I guess if you can't stand playing a PS2 game, go for it.
>>743658185*AI controlled party is worse than it is in FES
If you didn't max out your SL with Kenji then you don't deserve the right to say you beat the game.
>>743658185>>MC can't equip all weapon typesthis is bad because....?
>>743658185>worse looking atmosphere ruined by ugly lightingagree>easy as balls due to theurgy, full party control, and choosable skill inheritance without any restrictions or reason not to just pass the best shit on, leading to homogonized demon buildsnot a bad thing>worse ostagree>worse english voice actingwho cares about english voice acting >inb4 kensama>MC can't equip all weapon typesnot really a bad thing>party control is worse than it is in FES if you actually want to play the game how it was made to be playedjust go play fes if you like bad game design then
>>743658274Because it's less fun? I like doing shit like equipping gloves on that one block that has a bunch of strike weak shadows and critting the everloving fuck out of everything with Akihiko. I like equipping the elemental weapons to him for SP conserving. I like equipping axes to him since no ones else can use them after Shinji dies. Why would you want you MC, who is suppose to be versatile and flexible to only be able to equip boring ass rinky dink swords? More importantly, it just shows how lazy there were that they couldn't implement something that would have cost them no time to do.
>>743657557Got em
>>743658413>just go play fes if you like bad game design thenI do, but you're missing my point. The game is designed around AI control, and they still have it in the game as a result, but the AI control is WORSE in Reload than it is in FES because they just copy pasted the degraded, half assed party control that was in 4 and 5. They can't be bothered to at least make it the same as it used to be, and here we are with a lacking product that doesn't replace anything.
why are half the teachers whiney self-important retards in this game? Is it like this in every persona game? The homeroom teacher has the audacity to complain about the class when my character is constantly pulling 1st in the grade during exams, don't even get me started about Ekoda, that arrogant fucking slug.
>>743658561>and here we are with a lacking product that doesn't replace anythingBut remake culture is literally that, and idiots will keep buying them because 80% of the population is retarded. There's not much you can do about it besides ignoring remakes and only giving your attention to new releases or games in your backlog.
It should be illegal to be this beautiful
>>743658662in an ideal world FES would be purchasable on modern PC/consoles and I wouldn't really give a shit about Reload existing, but it doesn't so fuck Atlus.
>>743657223The fact they don't let you choose your club, you don't have a social link for everyone in your party, and they made the Aigis Episode paid DLC is why it's not the definitive edition.
p3R is awesome
>>743657949He looked like a meth head in the older versions
>>743658185>worse atmosphereFalse>easy as ballsI'll give you that>worse ostFalse>worse English voice actingIncredibly false, they run circles around the OG cast >MC can't equip allHasn't been able to since P3P LARPer>party control is worse because...IT JUST IS OKAYlol loser
>>743658723You can pick clubs in the older versions?
>>743658723>you don't have a social link for everyone in your partyNeither did the original and we're not counting P3P. We at least got the new Linked episodes for the party and got to know and hang out with them more than in the original.
>>7436586421 person getting As doesn't negate the 15 other retards getting Fs in the class
>>743658642How come Ekoda didn't get fired for lying about Fuuka missing?
>>743658723>and they made the Aigis Episode paid DLCLiterally what FES was???In fact it was worse cause FES was full price a year after P3
>>743658806>Hasn't been able to since P3P LARPerSo one remake being dogshit and removing content means it's fine for the next to continue the trend. I'm glad mouthbreathers like you are around to keep buying the shit they squeeze out, otherwise Atlus would have went out of business a long time ago.
>>743658958Imagine being THIS mad over being wrong
>>743658236P3 had such shit social links, goddamn.>delusional kid who thinks he's banging the teacher>fat lard who is so bipolar and up his own ass that nothing made sense>literal preschooler with mommy and daddy issues>guy with anemia who talks in poems and is actually a ghost>rival school track team leader because you already have 2 track team related links so lets do a fucking 3rd oneThank god they didn't give all the male party members a link, i would have blown my brains out if i had to hang out with Ken or Junpei just to get extra fusion EXP
>>743658918FES was 40 new and went to the bargain bin quickly. I picked it up for 20 bucks from gamestop without knowing anything about SMT or Persona games not long after its release.
>>743658903Cause she's the local retard
>>743659013What do you mean being wrong? I don't acknowledge the Frankenstein's monster that is P3P and neither does anyone else except trannies who just have to play as a girl. It's easily the worst version of P3 and it's not even close, and I say this as a Reload hater.
>>743659014Terrible tasteThankfully in P3P you can do the male party members social links and even fuck Ken
>>743659074Yes yes anon we get it, you hate being wrong
>>743659110Shut the fuck up faggot, I bet you don't even understand why P3P sucks, you're the one LARPing.
>>743658839You had 3 choices for a sports club (5 if you count the 2 female exclusive clubs in P3P) and 3 culture clubs. P3R locks you into track and art.>>743658857>we're not counting P3PWhy not?
>>743659014>>delusional kid who thinks he's banging the teacherRelatable. I knew kids in school who thought like this>>fat lard who is so bipolar and up his own ass that nothing made senseIt was heartwarming at the end because you made him realize his asshole behavior and he thanks you for saving him from the cult>>literal preschooler with mommy and daddy issuesDivorce is an issue most kids have and it's not easy for a preschooler to understand>>guy with anemia who talks in poems and is actually a ghostFalse. His mom even tells you he told her all about you. I can't explain the poof of smoke shit.>>rival school track team leader because you already have 2 track team related links so lets do a fucking 3rd oneTrack is a great sport
>>743659093>fuck Kengod i wish
On the topic of Persona, I've been playing through P4G and I've just defeated Ameno-sagiri and now I don't know what I should do with all the free time I have until Marie's dungeon.
>>743659168Man it's really sad how angry you areIt's okay to be wrong you know
>>743658236If you didn't 100% all social links, build up a good Orpheus Telos and use it to defeat the Shadow MC in episode Aigis, did you even touch the game?
>>743659368>already deflectingI accept your concession, shitposter. Have a good day.
>>743659014How are these shit in any sense?Like all of those statements don't make those sound bad at all.
>>743659014>Doesn't even list the actual bad LinksTanaka talking at you in the same pose and location for all 10 events was pretty shit since the climax of his arc makes little sense at first.The Monk has the same issue but it does have a nicer ending
>>743657223it's fine. I wish social media people wouldn't try to always ordinate everything from better to worse. If I've heard a song a hundred times I'd rather hear a remix even if I'd rather have the original if I were hearing them both for the first time.
>>743659014nobody even remembers the actual worst links because they're so boring: two different high school track joggers and Fortune
I haven't found several of the social links and decided to just look for them on my next playthrough along with romancing someone else. That was 30 hours ago and the game still isn't over so I guess that won't be happening.
How many of you actually beat Elizabeth?I lost patience with her in FES after fusing a good Orpheus Telos and failing a bunch of times. Finally stuck with it in Reload.
>>743657223Better than P5 that's for sure and I mean this unironically
>>743659948I've only beat her in P3PKinda crazy that I had to use a calculator to keep track of her HP
>>743657439mitsuru looks busty and athletic, built like your average stacy but lorewise she seems to be the nerdiest in the cast
>>743657223>go back and watch some old clips of FES>voices sound stilted and as if they were recorded through a tin can telephone system
>>743660219Yeah the new voice acting is way better.I still love all the old voice actors and I'm glad most of them return for different roles like NPCs, but the directing especially is improved.
>>743660145Mitsuru is only book nerdy, she doesn't give a shit about nerdy hobbies. The most non Stacy she gets is not knowing shit about fashion and wearing what the family stylist tells her too.
>>743660448She beats a game that Junpei and Ken were struggling with to make them stop being so loud. She has potential.
>>743659862Game is about 85 hours long
All Remakes are shit.
>>743660498She gives them tactical orders for it, she doesn't play it herself.
>>743660145Mitsuru is the nerdy girl who won the generic lotteryYukari is the gigastacy
>>743660258Feels like Liam O' Brian isn't in much of anything these days...
Elizabeth my love
>>743660145>nerdiest girl requires max academics just to take her out to a fast food jointThe joke writes itself
While Reload adds a bunch of QoL Id still suggest playing FES first. If you only ever played Reload you are robbing yourself of an experience.
>>743661437aight but check out this dog
>>743661491sex with Ken
Nobody liked the the AI party control shit, NOBODY.it was always shit, a stupid gimmick used once and then discard because of how hated it was
>>743661587You'll also hear people complaining they "ruined Devil May Cry 2" when that game eventually gets a remake.The anti-remake brigade is shameless and kikelike in behavior.
>>743661547Femmc....
>>743661947Ken is for the male gaze
>>743662112i think either is fine
>>743662112>Ken is for the male gazeAkihiko...
>>743661651Can't ruin an already bad game. And they never remake bad games, so its irrelevant if people would complain or not.After they remake 1 they will skip straight to 3 and just call it "Devil May Cry: Dante's Awakening" so they dont have to explain what happened with 2.
My beautiful wife
>>743657223Man, I am so excited for P4Revival since Reload was such a great game. I just wish they would add more routes, not just remake the game and add a bunch of stuff. Everything they added, like the extra scenes with Junpei, or the dates with Yukari were so great. I can totally dig an entirely new route for a certain someone in P4 that imo should've been the Devil Arcana instead of some random nurse.
>>743663680No Kashiwagi, nobody wants to fuck you
>>743657223too much color
If Hanako wasn't there I would have gangbanged Kashiwagi with the bros
>>743663680Speaking of P4 I've just defeated Ameno-sagiri and now I don't know what I should do with all the free time I have until Marie's dungeon
>>743657223Hallway not dark enough.
>>743664458I always max out my party social links before FebruarySeems appropriate
>>743664724I've already done that
>>743664769Then relax and enjoy yourself damn nigga
>>743657557>P4fag mad that his Revival sucks>game sucks cause I saw a few clipsRevival is gonna mog the fuck out of every Persona game thus far, maybe even mog 6
>>743665306I still got the last two dungeons coming up. Also there's a bunch of late game Personas that I don't know if I should get or not.
If you think the OST in reload is worse it's because you're retarded, have a shit sound setup/listen on a damn phone, or have no taste.Every song is better in reload.ESPECIALLY Iwatodai Dorm. Thank god Lotus Juice realize how shit the first version was and even said as much himself.
>>743661587It's not just that it was never good, it kind of force you to use the MC as a support Persona for any boss that was even mildly challenging because of your AI partners.Playing support every fight to eliminate losing because of party behavior sucks.
>>743665376The only songs to me that was downgraded is Burn My Dread and Battle For Everyone's Souls. The new Mass Destruction has grown on me and the new 2nd verse added to it makes the song less repetitive than the original. Also Color Your Night is a 11/10 banger of a song and better than Beneath The Mask
>>743665659I can understand preferring Kawamura, but the songs themselves are much better.Just wish Reload had FEMC specifically to hear new versions of her side of the OST. I liked the FEMC OST a lot more.
>>743665325>Game sucks cause I saw a few clipsYes that's how it works
>>743665376Battle for everyone's soul is an objective downgrade The rest is fine
>>743657223P3FES is still the best one because you can't control your party members
>>743666515lolLMAO
>>743666515Retards unironically think like that though.
>>743658185you forgot the cut fusion spells, reversed social links, censored social links, cut cutscenes and how op Fuuka is with her party wide buffs.
>>743668596>reversed social linksThat's still in the game.
>>743668745they cut several ways you can reverse stuff from the remake and portable, like if you date a girl and ignore her for long enough the social link would reverse on it's own, and Yukari's hug scene was also removedyou know it's a great remake when they cut content.
>>743666515based and true
>>743665325How, everyone knows the killer
>>743665376While I do agree with you, you gotta admit Battle For Everyone's Souls was a downgrade. It's still was an amazing remake in every aspect.
>>743657223Fuck no.It's UE slop, DEI cancer, and fugly as hell butcher job.
>>743666515Lmao
>>743668596Fusion spells are still in liar
>>743657223No. It's not Persona 3, but a shitty version made by people who never played persona 3 for people who never played or cared about persona 3.>here's this game that deals with a lot of heavy and depressing subjects including grief, depression, suicide, guilt and death, not to mention the MC is a hollow wreck of a person>EWWWW IT LOOKS SO UGLY AND GLOOMY LET'S FIX IT BY MAKING IT BRIGHT AND COLORFUL LIKE PERSONA 5 THE BEST PERSONA GAME EVER!!!!!!1!!!!Not to mention censorship. The only people who praise this shit are obvious troons and/or the type of kids who claim to be "huge persona fans" after listening to Persona 5 OST and consuming some tiktok memes.
>>743668596Everyone was overpowered in Reload. that's my main complaint. Then again, I have a friend who got into the Persona series through Persona 5, and she really struggled with P4G. She got completely stuck on Mitsuo the Hero. I took a look at her save file. Turns she was just severely under-leveled. She couldn't get past the damage filter, so the fight was basically unwinnable at her level.But that's the thing with the Persona series. It picked up some Female fans with P3, a little more with P4, and then it just just became a girl magnet with P5. I argued a lot with Akechifags, and I'm pretty sure they're all women. I also went to the Tokyo Concert, and I was basically the only dude there. It was eye opening. I'm not really at all surprised they didn't add a female main character since fujoshi are repulsed pretty hard by it.
>>743657223P3P is better.
>>743671280Look, if you prefer the original then go and play it. It's not going anywhere.
>>743671457If you don't want to see people being heccin mean to your corporate, sterile, censored demakes then feel free to stay on Discord and your normalfag social media.
>>743657223Certainly good enough to purchase and play. It's the first Persona game I'm seriously playing to the end because I really like the combat mechanics and the characters.Also, Thanatos is the coolest Persona in the series for me.
>>743670907God forbids teenagers acting like teenagers
>>743672361>It's the first Persona game I'm seriously playing We know.
>>743665659Remake Master of Shadow is my jam. I could listen to it all day.>>743658857I like how the Linked Episodes give a kind of alternative Social Link for the male party members, with a different Persona as a reward from them (except Junpei because the Ultimate Persona of the Magician Link was changed from Surt to Futsunushi so Junpei still gives Surt in Reload).
>>743671369>Everyone was overpowered in Reload. that's my main complaint.Well, some are more overpowered than the others (looks at Akihiko).Personally, one thing I like about Reload's Fuuka is that with her skills being activated at will at the cost of SP, she feels a lot more like an actual party member than a mostly glorified NPC in the original P3 games
>>743671369This. The persona series is a different series now than it was when P3FES came out, with a different fanbase. P3FES was to moody and too hard for the current state of the series, they did what they could to salvage it.They should cut the JRPG parts completely from P6, desu.There is no place for us here anymore.
>>743657223Fatlus shills and DEO homos deserve the rope
>>743671147But they cut the joke fusion spells nobody would every use more then once that would be stuck in your menu due to the new system and that's cut content.
>>743671457Oh nonoononononono original fags HATE this
>>743658185why would anyone side with random skill inheritance? it's only there to waste player time
>>743661491Cute. CUTE!
>>743659948I don't understand why people do the orpheus telos strat for elizabeth. At least in FES you can just make a whole team you can switch between as you keep track of her turns
>>743677879demons had more character when random skill inheritance meant keeping more than 2-3 skills moving between demons was unfeasible. You need to have skill affinities and traits to give that character back, but it took them several games to do that.
>>743679691You're pretending like if people didnt scum until when they got wanted.
>>743679725No, even with max scumming it's often not going to happen without rerolling until the heat death of the universe.
>>743657223Yes
>>743657223>improves every party member across the board except yukari>make yukari a worse version of morganaYes
>>743673291>AkihikoCompletely shit until he gets gigantic fist and an auto-tarukaja accessory and he sucks for exploring the tower, quite literally only good for boss fights and only turns on lategame when you get access to auto-tarukabellion boots. Aigis is also better than Akihiko as a boss killer thanks to Orgia mode while also providing matarukaja support.I think the real OP characters in this game are Mitsuru, Junpei, Koromaru and Ken for different reasons each but the one thing they have in common is that they are the absolute best characters for exploring the tower
IF YOU WANNA BATTLE THEN WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE STREETS
>>743657254The music is an straight downgrade but literally every other aspect is better, P3 is my favorite and I couldn't agree more that only morons say it is bad.I always double dip on games that I like and I did it with this.
Post your damn partiesFor me it's >Aigis>Mitsuru>Akihiko
>>743680995KenKoromaru/MitsuruJunpei
>>743680995I level them all up equally, only a retard sticks with the same 4 for the entirety of the game
>>743681639There is literally zero reason to rotate them when 4 of your characters get access to multiple elements. Just use the clock to keep the boss-killers leveled and switch them around for tartarus bosses or full-moon bosses.Personally, I bring Ken, Akihiko and Junpei into hanged man for maximum revenge.
>>743680629>completely shit untilLmao
>>743681865>stuck with sonic punch, a 70 power strike move, until tziah block>does not have immediate access to buff amp bonuses without power enhancerYes. “Lmao” is not an argument backed up by facts.Infact for basically all of the third block Junpei is better than him.
>>743681639Being a contrarian isn't a personality
>>743682040Akihiko has strike boost (via the gloves in yabba which is 3rd block). You can also use distress from sonic punch until he gets gigantic fist and the guy even carries tarunda while you're waiting on mt buffs.Naturally learning elec boost/amp are goos too.Get out of here
>>743681639Based party rotator! I do this for every JRPG
>>743682483Even Cait Sith?
>>743680895Really? You think the flat lighting of the dorm room is better? You like all the bright green lighting of the dark hour? You like that Nyx boss fight is in a completely flat arena with nothing in the background? You like the dumbed down, piss-easy tartarus? You like the animated cutscenes being replaced by in-engine animations?
>>743682835Have you ever considered not being a faggot?
>>743682479Doesn’t matter. Strike boost (once he gets it) makes his damage at best on par with Junpei (slightly weaker) unless he is buffed. Junpei carries torrent shot at this point which is also more damage while still providing the same function of strike weakness for the third block.The other thing about Junpei is that he covers 4 weaknesses as opposed to Akihiko’s 2. Moreover, without auto-tarukaja akihiko sucks at exploring the tower since Ken covers elec weakness plus two more and matches him in damage with Kougaon until he gets god hand at the end of the game.
>>743682886Have you ever considered having good taste?
>>743683080I like both. You're the one acting like a gay retard.
>>743682835Left is better
>>743658715Can't people try to get GOG to port FES to their platform?Sure, Breath of Fire IV already had an old PC port, so it was probably easier to work with, but I think it would be pretty awesome if they could do it.
>>743657223in terms of general gameplay and comfort yes.in terms of sovl? Hell fucking no.
>>743682835Right has a better atmosphere. Left is too green
>>743683585>muh atmospherehere we fucking go again
>>743683631>reddit spacing>reddit frogyour opinions arent as good as you think they are.
>>743657223it would be if femc route was in the game.
>>743682835>You like all the bright green lighting of the dark hour?Ye>You like that Nyx boss fight is in a completely flat arena with nothing in the background?Ye>You like the animated cutscenes being replaced by in-engine animations?Ye, I'm annoyed they put ugly ass 2d animations in at all
>>743682835>You like that Nyx boss fight is in a completely flat arena with nothing in the background? >You like the dumbed down, piss-easy tartarus?Gotta love it when people lie in the internet
>>743684113>You like the animated cutscenes being replaced by in-engine animations?this is the only point I kinda half-agree, the 2d animations added personality and the in-engine animations detract but it is not a deal breaker because it is not as bad so I'm willing to make a compromise.I swear to God, PS2fags and GCfags are some of the most obnoxious motherfuckers on this site.
>>743658642> why are half the teachers whiney self-important retards in this game?That’s how many of them act IRL. I’ve had teachers blogpost about their problems for half the class instead of teaching the lesson. I’ve had English teachers whine that we weren’t interested in the 400 year old Scarlet Letter. I thought it would be different in Japan where teaching is more esteemed. But they’re still overpaid daycare workers.
>>743684304I personally think shinjis death scene is better in reload
>>743683554Soul is a made up term for copers to use when a remastered or remake version of an old game is leagues better but they don't want to admit it because they feel that zoomers would infest it even though they already have
>>743682835Your post is basically all lies but the one I want to dispel out the most is that tartarus is easier as it is objectively harder in reload.>FES has infinite sp heal on clock>tired mechanic does not actually make the game harder because you can abuse it by going to tartarus on the day before a full moon, completely negating repercussions of it beyond the accuracy debuff>fusion spells are basically theurgies except that instead of being spread across party members they are all on the protagonist and only cost sp making them incredibly abuseable
>>743684845Don't believe your lying eyes! They didn't make the dark hour neon green!
>>743680629I was able to get Akihiko online extremely fast through skill mutation for the AoE and Auto buffs. He then proceeded to wreck house from that point on, especially with his Theurgy.>I think the real OP characters in this game are MitsuruOpinion automatically discarded; Mitsuru is probably the worst of the entire P3 cast in Reload, and that includes Shinjiro.
>>743685078>i was able to make akihiko good by getting lucky or rng-abusingThis is the actual opinion to discard, auto-matarukaja is a level 75 skill, you >>743685078wont get it until the end of the game>mitsuru is badThis is wrong on so many levels but I will pick it apart little by little because I have autism.Mitsuru gets access to a passive that gives everyone in the party a flat +15% crit rate on enemies with ailments, the protagonist gets a dash upgrade that when you hit enemies from behind makes them start distressed which makes them not only easier to crit but also makes them be affected by mitsurus passive, this couples great with the fact that Junpei has an innate 10% crit passive and critical boost also enhances his critical damage by a whopping x1.4, in a sense this is not only a shitton of damage but free aoaIf that were not enough, like Koromaru, mitsuru is the only other character that gets an elemental weapon that doesn’t match their own innate affinity, meaning she can target 3 weaknesses ice, dark and slash, the upgraded version of her dark weapon also has a chance to poison synergizing with her passive.On top of ALL of this Mitsuru gets access to 60% aoe confusion with neuro slice, in other words this is a straight upgrade to Yukaris Pulinpa, spirit drain for maintaining sp while exploring the tower, and Rakunda which is the best of the debuff types.>b-but what about the damage akihiko gets strike boostAkihiko only outdamages mitsuru and Junpei at a single point in the story: when he gets gigantic fist this is basically only for the Tziah block and Ken is basically better than him in every way at this point.When you enter harabah you get access to ice amp accessory, meaning Mitsuru is outdamaging akihiko now unless you give him a power enhancer which uses his accessory slot of course.Auto tarukabellion boots material does not come until upper harabah. Endgame mitsuru and endgame akihiko are close in damage.
>>743685078NTA but Mitsuru is better than people give her credit for, she's just mega cucked by P3R gimping mages massively for no reason. I'd say that Yukari and Ken end up riding the bench since ST healing is usually more than enough and if you need to panic heal, either MC or a bead chain can do it.Its not like you're crying for damage between Junpei, Aki and Aigis by the end.
Persona 3 Retard is the worst version of P3 and it genuinely annoys me thinking about how if I was just getting into the series for the first time now instead of a decade ago I'd be playing that soulless slop thinking it was the definitive experience
>>743686483Aki has access to Elec Boost (he gets it very early) + Elec Amp via accessory at that exact same time that Mitsuru gets the Ice Amp accessory and he can still wear the Strike Boost gloves for stuff resistant to Elec. Yeah sure, you wont be able to use the Auto Tarukaja accessory slot, but its still Boost + Amp > Boost or Amp alone due to the nature of persona's damage calcs. And we all know that Aki crushes Mitsuru during bosses since you will be using buffs.
>>743657223it is as long as you are on pc and use reshade to fix the colors>>743657439for me it's yukari and her choker/the jeans she wears in her casual summer outfit
>>743686732>elec ampWhich one of them is gonna do more damage with the amp accessory anon? The one with a high magic stat and concentrate or the guy that is fighting between strike and elec damage for over half the game?>bossesIrrelevant. You can easily switch party members around for it and keep akihiko leveled for the clock, moreover mitsuru still has rakunda and akihiko still doesn’t have a fucking aoe physical attack ever. If you’re trying to say that doing the highest damage on a single target by the end of the game then you’re arguing for maybe 2% of the entire game
>>743686483https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/409940-persona-3-reload/81039466Akihiko:Magic Ziodyne √(220×15×70÷50)×2×1.25×1.5×1.82 = 463.899Physical God Hand No Crit √(800×15×76÷50)×2×1.25×1.5×1.82 = 921.754Physical God Hand Crit √(800×15×76÷50)×2×1.25×1.5×1.82×1.5 = 1,382.631Theurgy Magic √(200×10×(99+20)×(76+70)÷50)×0.7×1.25×1.5×1.82 = 1,991.364Theurgy Magic Max Stats √(200×10×(99+20)×(99+99)÷50)×0.7×1.25×1.5×1.82 = 2,319.0322Mitsuru:Magic Diamond Dust √(600×15×94÷50)×2×1.25×1.5×1.25×1.4 = 853.63Physical Kokuseki Senjin basic attack No Crit √(425×15×65÷50)×2×1.4 = 254.9Physical Kokuseki Senjin basic attack Crit √(425×15×65÷50)×2×1.4×1.5 = 382.35Theurgy Magic √(180×10×(99+20)×(65+94)÷50)×0.7× 1.25×1.5×1.25 ×1.4 = 1,895.661Theurgy Magic Max Stats √(180×10×(99+20)×(99+99)÷50)×0.7× 1.25×1.5×1.25×1.4 = 2,115.411Now remember that Aki can vomit theurgy faster than Mitsuru can on top of God Hand already beating Concentrate + Diamond Dust on a turn average basis. Its not even close for Mitsuru from a dps standpoint.
>all these arguments over which party member is betterMy brave blade thanatos of course.
>>743686958Based Yukari fag
>>743686552Ken does better damage than most of the party until adamah gives everyone access to boost/amp.Gigantic fist is √380 power, Kougaon is √350 and Ken gets access to auto-tarukaja early on in a weapon.The one that shits all over everyone is Koromaru, who gets auto-tarukabellion early on his body slot and an accessory that gives him dark boost and magic+5 (Eigaon has the same power as Kougaon). If that weren’t enough he also completely replaces yukari with Hazakura which changes his regular attack to wind while still having access to really good slashing damage with getsu-eiThe only reason Mitsuru even gets to compete with them by harabah is ice amp because -dyne type spells are only √220 power
Baton pass (from Aigis) Metis charged theurgy with strike boost and amp crit does insane damage.
>>743657223I said it form day one. >>743681639>>743682483I'm very surprised some anons don't do this. The game is already easy (fes was even easier btw, just tedious because of party NRG), having an overleveled core party makes it even more mindless, and the game is less repetitive when rotating members.
>>743687019This is at the end of the game anon, with the best equipment available, right before the final boss. Akihiko will not have strike amp and strike boost together until the fucking end of the game, same with magic ability on Mitsuru.There is an entire game in between all that where Mitsuru outperforms Akihiko in more ways than just damage on a single target. Rakunda and Night falcon by themselves are more valuable than anything Akihiko does
>>743687186>laughs in Vorpal Blade Siegfried/Cendrillon
>>743686973Boost + Amp vs Concentrate + Amp are basically the same shit overall from a dpt standpoint since Concentrate's higher modifier is mitigated by it costing you two turns.Then Aki has Buff Amp and Mitsuru doesnt so whatever. Its not until she gets her extra tools that magic becomes cleanly in her favor (if you pretend that theurgy doesnt exist)
>>743657223https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L4jPAPsPTchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOLGBK2Qii8Reload is more soulless than Resident Evil 4 Remake. Also the best way to play Persona 3 is to not play it. It's one of the most boring games ever made.
>>743687408>that's endgame>Endgame mitsuru and endgame akihiko are close in damage.Was your statement. They are not close in damage in the slightest. Mitsuru is better than people give her credit for, but she is not better than Akihiko.
>>743687315To bad this never happens in a boss fight, the only time where her second theurgy is ever worth it. You’re better off using Orgia mode, Metis is already busted just because she carries 4 weaknesses, Matarukaja and Dekaja.Its like they wanted you to make a party of her, ken and koromaru and just let the game play itself
>>743687476Ok crowbcat
>>743687315Orgia mode is just so much better in Reload. FES was almost a disadvantage. The only time you got to use it was near the end of battle so you wont end up with a paralyzed character, since that is such a major risk but by then the battle was already over anyways.
>>743657223We'll be having this same thread again in 20-25 years when Atlus shits out another remake of this game with whatever Unreal Engine version will be out by then.
>>743687725Man, I really hope I live that long. I better take better care of my health if I want to see what video games will be like by then.
>>743687536And then you fight jonkler and only metis stays because other characters can blitz him faster.
>>743687527BECAUSE THEY ARE. Akihiko doesn’t get access to concentrate and the difference between them is around 70 damage and if you add that damage to concentrate you will realize that Mitsuru outdamages Akihiko on a turn by turn basis.
>>743657223Reload removed the intent in the original design of the game. Just play FES.
>>743687019That calculation isn’t taking into account concentrate which he doesn’t count because everyone technically gets it via an item, however this is mainly for the endgame boss fights as you can only get Concentrate and charge herbs a couple of times during the last two months of the game by farming exlcusively with Fuuka, so we’re still talking purely boss fights. On a turn by turn basis during any point in the game Mitsuru does more damage than akihiko without item dependency simply because of innate concentrate access.
>>743682835mods fix all of this btw
>>743687448Akihikos buff amp doesn’t affect his damage until he gets power enhancer which you might as well ignore since you’ll get auto tarukabellion in foot slot soon after.Mitsuru and Akihiko are at beat tied for damage at this point with mitsuru doing more because of concentrate and ice amp/boost access early on The calcs were literally posted in this thread just look at them.
>>743682835Left is better, literary soul vs souless
>>743687420>DLCYou didn’t beat the game
>>743657223Reload is great if you're incapable of returning to older gameplay. But if you're willing to accept some jank, I think Persona 3 FES with the party control mod is the BEST way to play. That little bit of added control makes some fights feel like less of a hurdle, but keeps everything else. Tartarus is an oppressive nightmare in the original, where in Reload it seems closer to a fun park.
>>743682835yes i love the green hour. the meaning behind the colors in the original nyx fight means nothing because i love green
>>743681639Some are just better then others. Once you learn Akihiko's trait was mistranslated and every buff applied to him is boosted, not just what he casts on himself, it's hard to justify using Ken.
>>743657223Rank order:1. FES (with party control)2. Reload3. Portable4. Original
>>743688237Siegfried is just as good minus the Slash Driver skill. Also I never used her on my first playthrough so...
>>743688284>its hard to justify using kenIts easy actually.Fastest theurgy charge in the game bar none, will get it in 3 turns.Strongest magic theurgy for most of the game.Best utility in game.Best healerBest damage dealer alongside koro for all of tziah, second best for all of harabahNever ever runs out of spCovers 3 weaknessesBlocks the weakness of any party member of your choosing for 1 turn
>Mitsurufag doing his best to run damage controlShe's 4th place as a damage dealer overall, sitting right there in the middle is just fine.>>743688012Concentrate/Charge can be forced onto anyone thanks to Fuuka/Yukari/Ken/Items. You're not going to be farting around with concentrate on randoms and buffs will be up on bosses. Just take the L already.
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>>743687315Shame no one modded Metis into the base game, she's a cutie.
>>743688250If there were a party control mod but you had to set their actions at the beginning of the turn (and they couldn't use items), instead of being able to react to what has happened when they get their individual turns, that would be a QoL upgrade for tactics only. But being able to react individually and use items is like lowering the difficulty level twice
>>743688480Oh and i forgotMakes your party invincible to one physical attack and one magical attack.Fastest joker clear uses Ken btw.
>>743688530I was wondering with 4R coming up if it was possible to mod characters from one game to the other. I suppose if it was people would have already done it between 5R and 3R, but 5R isn't Unreal so maybe that makes a difference
>>743688562Considering how grueling I found the game, I didn't mind where the difficulty was. The party control mechanic didn't mean shit when the enemy ambushed you and one turn wiped your party.
>>743688657I know people have replaced characters and dialog, just look at the FeMc mod. Also removed characters entirely like the Kasumi removal mod. but to add characters?I don't know.
>>743688491>no argumentSo if we’re talking bosses then Mitsuru is better because she has rakunda and if we’re talking regular encounters mitsuru is still better, almost overwhelmingly so because of her passive.You’re too low iq to argue this anon. Midwits cannot argue with anything other than “does the highest damage”
>>743688250Tartarus felt oppressively because of desolate it felt, which is just another word for boring. It was very repetitive. sure the designs looked more horror inspirited, but when you spend more than sixty hours in there, it kind just loses its effect. Besides, that unique to Persona 3 anyways. That was just Atlus games at the time. They all felt like that.
>>743688390lol no
>>743688794I wasn't trying to be a big dick difficulty guy or anything. I just think that "party control" as QoL does take something very significant away (because you have to plan the whole turn and only MC can use items) even though getting the commands you want from the tactics options isn't usually that interesting, so getting rid of it loses a lot from FES.
>>743688962losing over an hour to Mitsuru Marin Karin was never fun.
>>743688810I know in The Answer, Metis replaces Shinjiro's slot so it loads his assets if you try to force load shit that shouldn't appear like the tired status, no idea if Reload works the same way meaning you could theoretically reverse the process and simply force it so let "Shinjiro" always be available.
>>743657254Show me the tranny joke in Reload or else it's censored
>>743688935I replayed FES and I thought Tartarus ended up feeling way better than I remembered it, mostly because of the split up command letting you blast through ten floors in like 45 seconds. Plus it has much more interesting floor mutations than anything they did since then. It really makes Mementos and the P4 dungeons look like shit in comparison.
>>743688810The femc mod is dogshit. She uses the naginata like a sword and all her animations are makotos. Its literally just a model/asset swap
>>743657223No but I'll take it over portable
>>743689086Still in development to give the devil his due.
>>743688943>original shows how eerie and gray the game's atmosphere was. In an era before the upbeat vibes of Persona 4 and 5 you had no idea what to expect when playing it>remake is just a happy Disney trip good vibes
>>743686483You can still pop a Matarukaja on turn 1 and Akihiko is online and ready to rumble.It's also literally easier to kill distressed enemies turn 1 with any party member by the point where Mitsuru's trait begin to matter since the damage done to the distressed enemy is notably higher. Heck, you can pop a Tarukaja/Matarukaja and watch Akihiko practically oneshot the enemy with Strike Boost skills or Elec Boost skills with more consistency than Junpei at that point. Heck, you don't even need Mitsuru on your team to take advantage of Distressed enemies by MC back-dash attack; Distress is so powerful an ailment that you get the crit a lot more often than not.Neuro Slice is a meme skill because between MC, Akihiko, Junpei/Aigis, and Koromaru, You have enough firepower to level anything between mid- and endgame several times over without relying on applying a status effect. Rakunda IS the best debuff, but it doesn't have to come from Mitsuru either as MC has plenty of personas with it or Matarunda to go around.And by the Harabah point you can also get the Elec Amp accessory for Akihiko to boost his Theurgy and Zio spells to tie you over until he learns it naturally, then get Double Ziggurat to get Strike Amp and boost Akihiko's Strike skill damage through the roof and beyond. By that point, Akihiko is home free as he gives you serious damage with very little investment.>>743686552It also does not help that MC gets an MT Ice Theurgy because whatever Mitsuru can stack for damage, MC gets to stack for much higher damage on both ends of the spectrum on top of it coming around the midgame. So Mitsuru ends up on the lower end because MC outclasses her in just about everything she can do.
>>743689163>chibi shit models>eerie and grahlmao FEStards are something else
>>743688837Its a waste of time arguing with someone that goes nuh uh it totally doesnt count unless its my character like you've been doing all thread. Like you glossing over the fact that the game gives Akihiko his damage tools generally earlier than Mitsuru, or the utility of him having Tarunda in the hardest part of the game since we all know that persona difficulty peaks in the early game.Resorting to le IQ argument just proves that your style is dogshit.
>>743689109Still a question of the modders if they have balls to add the shota route.
>>743689269I'm talking about the game's color palette, not the character models, but you're too retarded and low IQ to even understand that, grim....
>>743688107Or you have an Auto persona or a Ma/Tarukaja on MC or Aigis.
>>743657223P3 fucking sucks>reach the end of Tatarus' monthly limit within the first couple days of the month>sit through in-game weeks of endless blabbing before you're actually allowed to play the game again Just let me dungeon climb goddammit
>>743665376I haven't played the original so I don't have enough context to really compare the two, except to say that Colour Your Night is exclusive to reload and is so good that I wouldn't trade it for anything the original might have.
>>743689394go back in on unstable days to farm mutations
>>743689394Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong game. Nocturne is two blocks down.
>>743689394go back to Nocturne, Strange Journey, and V, you illiterate retard. those games are 80% persona gameplay with barely any text, made for drones like you.
>>743657223Sure, maybe, probably. However, I am currently playing P4G and don't imagine I'll elect to play the remake when it's out, from what I know of each I don't think there's enough room for worthwhile improvement to justify the things that are likely to be made worse.
>>743689365This. Always make a Persona that boosts the parties Atk/Def/Accuracy on battle start.
>>743689345>N-No! I m-meant the color palette, not how childish everything looks in muh bleak atmospheric ancient graphicslol ok buddy
if you play a persona game over the after the age of 25 you deserve to go to /r9k/
>>743689271No he does not get them earlier anon. Strike amp is a late-game weapon. Strike boost comes early but also when he is stuck with sonic punch. The only ones arguing dishonestly here are you and this guy>>743689258You get one ore for the amp accessory before harabah, wasting it on akihiko is retarded for more reasons besides the fact that he does less damage than Mitsuru, ken and koromaru with magic.Auto-tarukabellion boots are post harabah, power enhancer is post tziah and costs him an accessory slot. Even before the argument of who should get the amp accessory what do you think is better for akihiko at this point? Buffing his ziodyne damage or buffing his gigantic fist damage.Akihiko is the best boss killer in the game, nobody doubts that but he is one the shittiest for actually climbing the tower.>b-but mc scarlet havocI came here to argue party members usefulness not argue the fact that you can just solo every random encounter with the mc or blow up bosses in one hit.If we were arguing for theurgy damage then I fucking guess fire amp/boost junpei is the most op character in the game with his massive 450 power magic theurgy that cannot crit.
>>743689365Its already been said but auto-matarukaja is a level 75 skill so akihiko isn’t getting the benefits of this until the end of the game. Auto-tarukabellion comes at the end of the harabah block so he also doesn’t get that until the end of the game.
I'm honestly super happy they toned down Junpei because he was such a fucking retard.
>>743689792are you even trying or you're just tired of ragebaiting?
>>743690263He's right though.
>>743690263lol u mad
>>743689870Akihiko gets Elec Boost in the early 30s (iirc its like 32) and Strike Boost in the 3rd fucking block. Mitsuru gets Ice Boost at 41. After Aki got GF at 39...On top of the player beeing able to beeline buff amp if they so please.You even get Matarukaja as early as 32 from Othrus, so there's no good reason for MC to not open any remotely dangerous fight with it from then on.Mitsuru gets Dyne at 51 and Concentrate at 55. Aki gets Dyne at 54 but he'd also almost certainly be spamming Elec Boost + Amp + Buff Amp + Theurgy for long long before that if you were so inclined.There are plenty of reasons why you'd want to make an Elec Amp Accessory for Aki.
>>743690528And if you're going to hype up Mitsuru's concentrate for bosses and pretend that Akihiko has a hard time maintaining his for simply doing something that you're always going to do, that's utter bs.
>>743687536>Its like they wanted you to make a party of her, ken and koromaruBased
>>743657254You don't even have to mod it to get the og soundtrack but the lighting changes are horrendous, kills the dower atmosphere of the game.
>>743688497I like Reload a lot but the new animated cutscenes can't hold a candle to FES's.
>>743682958>Junpei carries torrent shot at this point which is also more damage while still providing the same function of strike weakness for the third block.Come to think about it; isn't Torrent Shot Pierce damage and not Strike damage?
>TziahKen has kougaon, Light boost, 3-turn theurgies and infinite spKoromaru has eigaon, dark boost, auto-masukunda and wind damageMitsuru has bufula, ice boost, dark damage, ailment crit buff, and rakundaAkihiko has elec boost, strike boost, zionga and gigantic fistJunpei has Agilao, blade of fury, assault dive and torrent shotKen and Koromaru easily beat everyone in damage>Harabah blockMitsuru has access to the same stuff as before + concentrate and Ice amp accessoryAkihiko has access to the same sfuff as before + elec amp and power enhancer on accessory slotKoromaru has access to the same stuff as before plus auto-tarukabellionKen has access to the same stuff as before plus a spear that gives him auto-tarukajaJunpei has access to the same stuff as before plus gigantic fist, deathbound, slash boost and power enhancerMitsuru does the most damage followed by akihiko. Ken and koromaru both match akihiko in magical damage if you choose to give him elec amp which I think is retarded but for the sake of anons argument.Now at this point fuuka can give everyone charge/concentrate but I think its worth mentioning that Mitsuru can do it on a turn by turn basis.In adamah after fully equipping everyone the best damage dealers are a toss up between junpei if he crits, mitsuru if nobody else is using concentrate, aigis during her orgia mode and akihiko on a turn by turn basis.Yukari has bad damage no matter what so shes not worth considering>>743689258I just want to point out one thing in this post. Neuro slice is 50% confuse vs pulinpas 60% it is absolutely worth it for red shadows and some tartarus bosses and not a meme. Marin karin as well. You will own tartarus harder using distress on mitsuru or mc dash and having junpei with his crit boost own everything with blade of fury/deathbound/vorpal blade than having akihiko pick off one target at a time with gigantic fist/god hand
>>743691401Yes but I was referring to raw damage when I posted this. Assault dive is still slightly more damage than strike boosted sonic punch. In other words for yabbashah junpei and aigis are just flat out better than him, of course you can still justify him in the last slot, both him and mitsuru can contribute in third block to either zio or bufu weakness but most of that block is just absolutely raped by junpei.
>>743690528Theres zero reasons you want to make an elec amp accesory for akihiko because he wants power enhancer for gigantic fist.Akihiko getting elec boost and strike boosted early is irrelevant because hes stuck with sonic punch until tziah meaning both Junpei and aigis outdo him and mitsuru gets bufula earlier.Theres also weakness exploit to consider, junpei can hit four weaknesses in the 3rd block.
>>743692037Strike Boost Sonic Punch + Buff Boost or Buff Amp if in the midgame, or Zio magic because Buff Boost/Amp works for those too.>>743692037Still reflects badly on you that you can't even get basic facts right.>>743692227Or you have Matarukaja and/or an Auto-Mabuff Persona by that point which easily gets Akihiko up to speed.
ywn have this
>>743692227>there's zero reasons why you'd want to let ahikiko pound things with elec boost/amp + buff boostPower Enhancer is for randoms, Elec Amp is strictly better for bossing until when he gets it naturally and so, you change to the amp weapon/boost accessory.Akihiko getting Zionga + Elec Boost before Mitsuru gets Bufula + Ice Boost is objectively in his favor as a caster for ~9 levels even with her higher magic stat too.
>>743660573Lmao. Yukari is a Becky with above-average looks.
>>743693129So you're saying she looks good?
Why is P5 more popular when P3 had better characters and story?
>>743693609Are the majority of people in the world smart? Do the majority of people have good taste?If a game company says it's aiming for a wider audience for instance, that means they are reducing quality and intentionally trying to be more generic. I'm not saying p5 is bad by any means, it just appeals to the majority more than p3 does.
>>743693609Word of mouth when it first released, the most accessible to get into the series, Smash Ultimate giving it more publicity etc. I'll admit and say P5 was my first Persona game and I enjoyed it, then I went back to get a copy of P3FES and enjoyed the characters and story much more than P5 though the gameplay aged like milk looking back on it.
>>743692605Akihiko does not get auto-tarukaja that early, you need to manually buff him and only mc can do that, you will not have matarukaja at that point either.
>>743692817Again, even if ziodyne is better for bossing your are spending your first ore on a temporary boost for akihiko whereas it is a permanent best in slot upgrade for mitsuru and she is still doing more damage on average. Just because akihiko gets to flex everytime fuuka gets her theurgy with big number does not mean it is optimal. Moreover as stated several times already akihiko sucks for actually climbing the tower (exploiting weaknesses for aoa or having high aoe damage) and he doesn’t actually come “online” until the start of adamah when you can get him the auto-tarukabellion boots.You keep going on about facts but you have yet to actually give any reasonable “facts”. Your only argument is quite literally “bigger number”
>>743692605I'm not the guy you guys are arguing with but>ever wasting a turn of the MC on the peon companionsthe only thing MC should ever do besides attack is charging or using the top tier battle-altering items.their turns are worth like 1/3 of his at best.
>>743695307>reasonable factsMore like you choosing to selectively ignore everything that doesnt suit your narrative.For example, Akihiko getting Tarunda somehow doesnt matter but Mitsuru getting Rakunda does, even though he gets Tarunda at a compartively harder point of the game and reduces the amount of time you have to spend healing?You were glad to say that Mitsuru gets Bufula earlier but selectively chose to ignore that Aki is running Zionga + Elec Boost for basically 10 levels before Mitsuru gets her corresponding boost.Even if you give Mitsuru the Ice Amp accessory, Aki can still run Elec Boost + Buff Amp in the exact same period.Are you going to selectively ignore that Aki gets access to his second theurgy reasonably early for the moments where it would matter compared to Mitsuru's useless one? Or that she doesnt get Concentrate until 55 which is quite late into the game?How about the utility from Sonic Punch being able to fish for Distress where applicable in fights that you can't open up with the free distress?>>743694932You get Matarukaja at fucking 32 from Orthrus. Look up a Fusion Calculator for Reload.
>>743696029>For example, Akihiko getting Tarunda somehow doesnt matter but Mitsuru getting Rakunda doesProbably because even if tarunda is “good” rakunda is way fucking better.>gets tarunda at a comparatively harder point in the gameIts also a point in the game where your only party options are mitsuru, akihiko, Junpei or yukari. Who exactly is competing for a slot here? Nobody. You just fucking bench yukari. At the point of the game we are talking about fuuka already has weakness mitigator and you have full dash upgrades, you will rarely if ever need tarunda.>You were glad to say that Mitsuru gets Bufula earlier but selectively chose to ignore that Aki is running Zionga + Elec Boost for basically 10 levels before Mitsuru gets her corresponding boost.Because Mitsuru FUCKING HAS ICE BOOST at this level you fucking idiot. Did you forget about ice boost accessory? She also has it on a weapon early on.Buff amp is irrelevant for anything besides bossing so stop bringing it up, for it to be relevant akihiko needs auto-tarukaja or for aigis to go before him.Second she has concentrate by harabah, the part of the game we are currently talking about so of course I am gonna bring it in her favor.Third, akihikos second theurgy is not that much more powerful than mitsuru’s, infact it is actually less powerful than Ken, koromarus and yukaris this is for balance reasons, same with mitsuru getting the weakest theurgy in power because akihiko and mitsurus theurgy’s only do more damage when you stack element boost/amp.Fourth, theurgy is not the only source of damage in the game and the only one that actually gets to spam it is ken and mc. Your entire argument hinges on that akihiko can do more damage than everyone when fuuka gives him concentrate and his is ready. Infact lets go further, if this is truly your argument then the best party member for harabah is actually junpei with fire amp, his theurgy shits all over akihiko, completely.
>>743695307Mitsuru gets Bufula at 22Aki gets Zionga at 28Aki gets Elec Boost at 32Aki gets Gigantic Fist at 39Mitsuru gets Ice Boost at 41Mitsuru gets Bufudyne at 51Aki gets Ziodyne at 54Mitsuru gets Concentrate at 55Aki gets God Hand at 72Mitsuru gets Diamond Dust at 73Let's suppose that we're purposefully gimping Aki vs bosses and not triggering Buff Boost/Amp.Gigantic Fist: sqrt 380 x 1.25 = ~21.79Bufula/Zionga: sqrt 100 x 1.25 x 1.5 = ~13.69.Bufudyne/Ziodyne: sqrt 220 x 1.25 x 1.5 = ~20.31Over two turns with Concentrate vs nothingGigantic Fist: ~21.79 x 2 = ~30.82Bufula/Zionga: ~13.69 x 2.3 = ~20.76Bufudyne/Ziodyne: ~20.31 x 2.3 = ~30.80Remember, this is me NOT turning on Aki's buff boost/amp and I gave Mitsuru the early ice amp accessory. If Aki got the elec amp accessory, it would be far worse for Mitsuru when we start accounting for theurgy burst.Mitsuru's benefit for Aki is her ailment utility on randoms, slightly better coverage (Ice, Slash, Dark for vs Strike + Elec) and rakunda. Aki beats her in damage, has tarunda for bulk and has spot healing utility.
>>743696813>It doesnt matter because I say soLol lmao
>>743657223This game was fun for a while but it really overstayed its welcome.
>>743696029The first ore for the element amp accessories (excluding light/Dark) comes before harabah but you need to actually farm harabah for more. Unless you are deadset on never using Mitsuru, using that ore on Yukari, Akihiko or Junpei is a bad idea. If anything Junpei would be the second one to want it as it makes his second theurgy hit like a truck but even so you’re also sacrificing his crit rate to make him into a fire specialist. So really theres just no reason not to use the first ore on ice amp.
>>743696865You’re not counting stats but either way,What does this prove? That bufudyne is doing the exact same damage as gigantic fist? Because thats what I’m seeing. So of course the character with better utility wins out.
>>743696947Ignoring the fact that you ignored the entire post besides the buff amp part why the fuck are you even wasting mcs turn to cast matarukaja in a regular encounter or how are you getting aigis to go before aikihiko?Keep in mind that you didn’t even give me an argument so I shouldn’t even be responding
>>743696865Gigantic Fist and Bufudyne are doing the same damage hereMitsurus magic stat is higher than Akihiko’s strength stat.Their damage will be close but Mitsuru is still doing more damage at this point. Moreover you do not need elec amp to buff gigantic fist and mitsuru will do more damage than akihiko using boost/amp, theurgy excluded.I know you listed levels but elec boost on Akihiko early on is irrelevant cause mitsuru has ice boost access via weapons and accessories at the same point. The only reason they gave him elec boost that early is so he doesn’t do dogshit damage since hes stuck with sonic punch for over half the game. So this way you can give him strike boost without cucking the accessory or weapon slot depending on which one you use. Contrary to popular belief before the strike amp knuckles in adamah akihiko actually gets access to apt pupil in the weapon slot which is really good to patch up his shitty lack of aoe damage. Of course you can opt for getting a strike amp accessory instead but I don’t see the point in temporary upgrades at this point when everyone is plateuing.
>>743697467>What does this proveYou made a big stink about Aki needing Auto Matarukaja or the Power Enhancer/Rebellion to "keep up" compared to Mitsuru.Gigantic Fist + 3rd Block Gloves basically lets him attack with a move as strong as what Mitsuru needs to be fully decked out for at a whopping 16 levels earlier and this is me purposefully not including tarukaja vs amp'd kaja.Mitsuru is simply not doing comparable damage to Aki for an exceedingly long time because the final multiplier that she needs is from the magic ability weapon.Also, someone is inevitably going to have to refresh Matarukaja when Auto Tarukaja whether by persona or item usage wears off in extended fights. MC getting Matarukaja at 32 before Aigis learns it or you can farm for the items or abuse Fuuka is a worthwhile turn spent, since its a net damage gain overall.
>>743657223I think the most important scene (the ending) was done incredibly well and that justifies at least one playthrough of the gameBut the atmosphere of the old ones hits different. Also some of the old songs are still better
>>743657223Having only played Reload recently, I enjoyed it but it certainly lacks the impact I felt it needed. The visuals are too bright, but everything else feels right. Gameplay, graphics, performance, voice acting, etc.
>>743690192Zoomer who gets the ick at sexual content
>>743693129Post your self
>>743698293You do realize he is not getting gigantic fist until tziah right?Also we were talking about harabab the block after tziah and about the usage for the first amp accessory ore going to Mitsuru since she needs it for her optimal damage path. The other anon was arguing to use it on elec amp for akihiko because it would temporarily make his ziodynes better than gigantic fist.>refresh matarukaja>in a random encounterIts not even inevitable in a boss fight but something you should consider about Mitsuru is that she has the other side of the spectrum for tarukaja, which is rakunda.The other anons entire argument is that Mitsuru was shit and that Akihiko is the best character because he can do a big number on his second theurgy when the stars align. In my opinion even Ken and Koromaru are better than Akihiko despite lesser damage simply because they have better utility and cover more weaknesses, that is far more valuable in this game than dealing big number to takaya only to have your damage capped so he can phase change
>>743698175>mitsuru has ice boost access via weapons and accessories at the same point.You only have the accessory slot for Ice Boost because Mitsuru's earliest and ONLY Ice Boost weapon comes during the same time that Akihiko can get Double Ziggurat AKA Strike Amp AND she is in competition for the first Prime Nihil Blade with Junpei and Koromaru. Meanwhile, Akihiko has both relevant Boosts for his skills and can pick up Buff Boost and Buff Amp relatively fast way and way before that point. All that on top of fast-charging his Theurgy due to having buffs applied to him which makes them insanely spamable, and with stuff like Ma/Tarunda (on MC because MC does everything), Ma/Rakunda and the buffs make Akihiko into a beast capable of tons of damage output in addition to mitigating the majority of any incoming damage from anything you can think of. Akihiko has insane value on either side of the damage spectrum and Mitsuru can't hope to compete with what Akihiko brings to the table.
>>743657223It's the definitive version.It's also the worst one due to gameplay, art and ost changes.
Dusty old bones full of green dust
>>743657223just play the original. it's always going to be the correct answer for every game
>I can't figure out the tactics menu>aww but clunkyness looks at the clunkyness>wtf the enemies can fight back?>the graphics ain't it in this game it looks like it was made for edgelords not friendslop like all persona games I've played>remakes are a good thingthis the target audience?
>>743689269>zoomer loves piss filter>calls others gayGo be a fagoot somewhere else
>>743699523>The other anon was arguing to use it on elec amp for akihiko because it would temporarily make his ziodynes better than gigantic fist.Ziodynes and theurgies because Akihiko charges them fast with buffs on himself. And the very fact that he has access to both types of Boosts and Amps that's important to his attack skills means you are not stuck to one or the other and can adapt as needed.
>>743699643Fair enough I confused it for the freeze boost weapon.So whats your point? That she doesn’t get ice boost early? Because its still wrong and you want the accessory anyway since its preferable to put dark damage on her weapon slot.>akihiko has insane valueNot as much as other characters, including mitsuru. He is a boss killer, a one trick pony, and thats it.
>>743659014>shitting on the akinari social linkGo fuck yourself, never touch a persona game again. Actually just turn your fucking computer/phone off and dont come back to the internet ever again, the fact that someone can genuinely have taste as bad as yours shows me that god may not exist in this world. Genuinely take a shotgun and blow your brains out so you can give your parents and everyone around you a fucking break.
>>743699871Thats not what is being argued. Akihiko gets elec amp naturally so he doesn’t need the first amp accessory beyond flexing his theurgy early on. Its a complete waste period
>>743693609Persona 5 has more stylistic flair and eye-catching designs. The game is hard carried by the aesthetics of its characters and dungeons. Everyone in P3/P4 wears their school uniforms in Tartarus/the TV world, but everyone in P5 dons capes, masks, codenames even. This is actually the game's biggest triumph. The fact they were able to make every character so memorable if only by what they wear and how they act, even the main character, is impressive.P3/P4 probably had better stories and sometimes better characters overall, but that means nothing if the average normalfag can't remember what they look like or who they even were.
>>743657223Honestly? Yeah, like if you are a newbie player, yeah for sure is the best way. Older titles might have a great design and better ost, but they are stupidly hard for limitations of the team. I would never recommend a new person to the saga to play the originals in said state. After they like it? Maybe.
>>743700102>The fact they were able to make every character so memorable
>>743700408Haru got lucked out from the memes about her screentime to be more memorable than some members of other parties. She also looks good in the phantom attire, and a good trope of the "small girl, big weapon". But obviously her character went through a big overhaul while designing the game, and it kinda shows when you see the sequel and the spin offs, that they just leaned into the meme of her being a psycho.
>>743700408Shes memorable from being op alone.Best technical element, gun, boost/amp for both, and the most busted support skill in the game in life wall.
>>743688962Oh you're golden. I completely understood, and agree that the addition of party control definitely took away one of the selling points of the original. Removing the tired mechanic in later entries was bizarre to me though.
>>743700102>P3/P4 probably had better stories and sometimes better characters overall, but that means nothing if the average normalfag can't remember what they look like or who they even were.I disagree with you Anon the story in P4 felt like a Scooby Doo episode mixed with a shitty murder mystery plot it’s not good at all.
>>743700043Yes, he gets it naturally. Doesn't mean it is pointless since early Amping his Zio spells and his Theurgies mean only good things.Also, if you're of the mind that Akihiko doesn't need the early Elec Amp accessory, it means Akihiko is already contributing at a level where he has claim to a party slot even before he learns Elec Amp naturally.
>>743700043Elec Amp boosts Zionga/dyne, Mazionga/dyne and his theurgy. Its half of his kit and doesnt conflict with his Gigantic Fist output. It also means that whenever Koro/Yukari/Fuuka throw out AoE charge/concentrate based on game progression, then he can maximize output either way.Its not really a "flex", its him being a perfectly viable choice unless you're using Mitsuru who specifically needs it to be relevant for the rest of the game.
>>743657223Unioronically I agree.>Original version of P3 + FES doesn't let you control your teammates attacks and lacks the FemC route>PSP version is missing "THE ANSWER" content and is a demake but has femC content.Persona 3 Reload is only lacking FemC route which can me modded back in on PC. It has "the answer" DLC, allows you to control your teammates, and has a full graphics overhaul.So despite some minor changes (which can also be modded back) P3 reload on PC is the most complete way to experience P3
>>743702183People who say this obviously didn't play it and just watched memes on YouTube
>arrangements of old battle themes were so shit they added the originals as a free updatelmao
>>743702768>>743702423Power enhancer buffs all his damage without input from the mc. Wasting a resource like that on a character that will only get a temporary boost from it and will only benefit from it in theurgy is still retarded, but then again you guys are pretty stupid if you’re spending valuable resources on big number. I am also sure you didn’t even do this on your playthrough either
>2-3 autists are still going about who is a better companionSHITsuru is for tranniesAkihiGOD is amazingSimple as.
>>743703076>i dont get it so you're stupidAnon, there's fierce sutras, matarukaja and tri auto personas. Power Enhancer by your logic is a wasted resource because Akihiko doesnt need it either once he gets the tarukarebellion boots too.Fact of the matter is that you're not getting Elec Amp naturally until the literal ass end of the game, so crafting it has incredible longevity.
>>743703475Its just an autistic waifufag who cant comprehend anything but his specific way of playing.
>>743700586>>743701305>Haru got lucked out from the memes about her screentime to be more memorable than some members of other parties.
>>743692687i love yukari
>>743700102>The fact they were able to make every character so memorable if only by what they wear and how they act, even the main character, is impressive.Nobody gives a fuck about the PT as characters seriously has anyone had a discussion about any of them that wasn't just endless seething over Mona?
>>743693609>Why is P5 more popular when P3>Its Going Down is the not only the most popular Persona song but the most among the most popular videogame tracks ever
>>743703824I expected the makoto jumpscare
>>743702793>that image is canonMakoto is a fucking lucky bastard
The opening theme sucks. The Engrish is so bad you can't understand herOH THE JOURNEY STHAP IT FOR THE BOLD AND BRAAAAAVENO ONE TAKES IT IN A ROAD OF TOUGH AND LUUUUUCK (STAND UP!)
>>743703758It's a shame too. Being the worst gameplay-wise of the Reload iterations of the cast is still way better than being the worst of some of the other casts.
>>743703824Removing recency bias, Chie is still best girl
>>743657371>>743657557I HATE THESE SOLID COLOR OUTLINES WITH ALL MY BEING
>>743706423I like em
>>743706759Why? They are ugly and unnecesary. Persona didn't have them for the longest time, I don't know why some exec randomly thought pushing them was a good idea.
>>743703824i still can't comprehend why makoto is so popular. as a waifu she's a boring mary sue and as a party member she's really not that good until she gets severe nuclear during shido's dungeon and checkmate in the last week.is her ass that good?
>>743703653You’re never casting matarukaja in a random encounter unless you’re bad, much less wasting a fierce sutra on it.>Fact of the matter is that you're not getting Elec Amp naturally until the literal ass end of the game, so crafting it has incredible longevity.The “end of the game” is quite literally the next block you explore.
>>743703653>Power Enhancer by your logic is a wasted resource because Akihiko doesnt need it either once he gets the tarukarebellion boots too.Correct you do not need to waste resources on power enhancer or elec amp since you get them right on the next block and the damage increase is marginal at best, akihiko still sucks for coverage and the kid gets a free auto-tarukaja spear on the first half of the harabah block.Therefore, since you only need to do the FIRST half of harabah to get more ore, it makes much more sense to use it on Mitsuru first, since akihiko can use the much cheaper power enhancer as a temporary upgrade, which is not as costly and still perform at maximum efficiency in boss fights.Its not about “playing how I want to play” its about your utter cope for efficiency. Having other characters do things like rakunda, matarukaja, healing, dekaja, makarakarn, etc is much better than having the mc use matarukaja so you can stroke your dic to akihiko using his second theurgy after fuuka charged/concentrate everyone.
>>743706837I like emDon't have to explain myself
>>743706090OOC memes don't make girls the best.
>>743707572Explain yourself right now or else
>>743707665No, I don't think I will
>>743704776Counter argument, merch. The Phantom Thieves get endless merch, 3 cast gets so little that they haven't released a Yukari or Mitsuru since Arena. Frankly, I'm shocked they released a Elizabeth a few years ago.
>>743707397>>743706990>efficiencyLmao
>>743704776It’s Going Down is a perfect workout song, as is it’s Time to Make History and Last Surprise.
>>743659948I spent like seven attempts wondering why the fuck she was instantly killing me before googling it and abandoning the fight out of spite for her ridiculous bullshit
>>743665659color your night really is crazy fucking good
>>743707397>>743706990>constant goal post moving>le efficiency argument as if spending resources on Mitsuru of all people to finally contribute meaningfully to damage is "efficient" when she only becomes relevant AFTER you get access to fucking Siegfried compared to basically everyone else except for like Yukari were already online by that point and she's just barely struggling to edge out an unbuffed Akihiko because she damn well loses to him vs bosses once buffs/debuffs are in play>muh random encounters as if randoms in P3R are remotely relevant at the point of the game that you're harping onIts okay to like Mitsuru but trying to pretend that she's better than Akihiko when virtually everyone else says otherwise is delusional.
>>743707397You're only sucking off Mitsuru because you're running Ken + Koro based on your previous post and she brings the coverage that they're lacking outside of Strike which MC can cover.
>>743708202>its correct because cattle thinks soYeah the only argument you’ve given me is that he does “the highest damage” by an extremely small margin for a temporary amount of time and only when he uses his theurgy with no access to physical aoe or useful utility. This is a fucking retarded debate, when the only argument you are capable of replying is who does the highest damage
Persona games have never been difficult enough or indepth enough to warrant build autismLike I'm glad someone does it so wikis and fusion calculators are precisely detailed but what an unfortunate strain of autism
>>743708342Koromaru and ken coverage has synergy with every character except yukari. You can run Akihiko with them too and cover the same amount of weaknesses
>>743708504>by an extremely small marginI love how utterly dishonest and disingenious you are. Keep it up.
>>743708342No i use mitsuru with junpei, the last slot I leverage between akihiko and ken depending on the situation. I also run ken/koro/whomever during tziah.
>>743708504I've given several arguments but apparently you have the mental capacity of a gnat and choose to ignore everything except for the the ones that you can weakly defend.There's a reason why you keep trying to focus on the one part of the game where Mitsuru is decent.
>>743657223it could've been if they didn't use the P3P script as a base, and didn't add the busted ass super moves. fusion spells were super cool it's a shame to see them turned into supers and not just making them a part of the MCs normal kit
>>743708986Am I? Have you actually calculated it including their stats? Do you at least have a single shred of evidence of how much more damage akihiko will do on average when compared to mitsuru?Get fucking real.Yukari does the least amount of damage in this game and shes doing at best like 80 less by endgame what the fuck makes you think such a tightly balanced cast has huge differences from each other in damage?
Ken stays in the party because he's cute
>>743709315You have not given a single argument besides what I mentioned, tarunda, using matarukaja with the protaginist and “spot heals”. You quite literally speak as if the entire game is just boss fights without weaknesses or that the point in the game and what you have access to doesn’t matterInfact I even admitted when I was wrong in this thread mistaking the freeze saber for the ice boost one. The only one that cannot admit when they are wrong here is you and whatever other faggot is arguing in favor of you.
>>743709384 Eh
I started playing reload and minus the intro cutscene it's ok. I have to ask, what the FUCK is up with this version of moons reaching out starts?? Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to play those random "bloing" sounds in there? I thought i was going crazy but its part of the track
>>743696029A little late but orthrus learns it at 32 its not innate, which means you have to grind it. If I recall correctly even if you focus maiko early (which is a bad idea) you will get stuck at rank 7, requiring you to do a hangout with her with no tanks up, you have to use dating site at the end of the game to do this more efficiently but thats besides the point, my point is I doubt you will have matarukaja that early. The first persona people make with matarukaja is usually black frost at 37 at the start of thr fourth block, but you can grind orthrus for it if you make him eat a couple of boss exp or slap growth 1 and 2 on it. I still think its unlikely for you to have it by the first half of the third block tho
>>743713571yeah the bloops are retarded.
Give me weapon switching back
>>743714860One of the only changes I actually cared about. I liked using fists and big swords.
>>743714860I liked being able to use a spearAlso I liked being in photography and kendo
>>743714860No
>>743703824Yeah? She's literally more popular than fucking Mitsuru, Yukiko, Fuuka and fucking Yukari on that list. She's probably not the most popular P5 member, but she is literally carried by being in P5 lol
>>743708096I'm Fatlus enough to have beaten Elizabeth and Satan. But I was too lazy to run through DDS NG+ for Demifiend. Anyway don't do it.
The Answer Heartless difficulty is hard.
>>743718001Fuck you Atlus>>743721648Eh
>>743703824>Metis 23Poor Metis.
>>743657223It obviously is. Subhumans and their subhuman opinions don't matter no matter how loud they try to be.
>consoys fuming about the nerfed difficulty>meanwhile pc chads get the best of both worlds with modslmao
>>743714282>32Seems like a good point to focus grind a bit considering you don't need too high a level to get it.>>743709581>Am I? Have you actually calculated it including their stats? Do you at least have a single shred of evidence of how much more damage akihiko will do on average when compared to mitsuru?Have you? Because the only evidence I've seen this far when it comes to damage calculations favours Akihiko over Mitsuru that much more.>>743710209>You have not given a single argument besides what I mentioned, tarunda, using matarukaja with the protaginist and “spot heals”. You quite literally speak as if the entire game is just boss fights without weaknesses or that the point in the game and what you have access to doesn’t matterOr maybe between Koromaru, Akihiko, your choice of Junpei/Ken/Aigis, and MC, weaknesses are pretty much all covered.
>>743657451They never said you have to, they said that you can. If you feel you need to mod out P3R's music then you genuinely need better taste.https://youtu.be/j9Sn1nFGQQ8?si=Ix9AC9TMsLMbLX4x
>>743657909The one throwaway trans gag wasn't the one reason you enjoyed FES. Don't lie to us or yourself.God P3 fans are retarded.
>>743657223It's censored, artless trash for zoomers who refuse to play anything older than 5 years. They probably dumbed down the gameplay too.
>>743682835Yes to all of those. Only brain damaged retards like FES.
>>743722040I don't think he's a fan, I think he's a troll that has nothing better to do than pretend to be a fan to ruin threads.
>>743721991Fuck I love the shit out of this song. Much better than Beneath The Mask
>>743721991
>>743721991>Playing Persona 3 FES about 3 times, might have started a 4th playthrough don't remember.>The Answer beaten twice.>P3 Reload beaten twice.>Episode Aigis beaten once.I may have a problem. The only other game I've played this many times is Tales of the Abyss.
>>743722726(me)https://youtu.be/t9TdQCdtUeo?si=iSdRcqQQZ_Ka76KRwanted to included this track as well
>>743657254>yet chuds will pretend that stuff got censored (it didn't)It did.>Why you guys always gotta be harshin' the tards…?Removed.Along with other lines.You can pretend they're minor (and sure) but that's censorship, dude.
>>743659014>and is actually a ghostNo he isn't. He dies around rank 9 ending.
>>743657223Yes. While it is not perfect, it offers enough improvements over the original that I would say it is the definitive version now.
>>743722873>Tales of the AbyssYes, you have a problem.
>>743722040/v/ has false flaggers out the ass
>check out the Yosuke spotlight trailer>it's Nozomi
Anyone got Persona builds to share? Here's my Thanatos who is only missing Spell Master and some Strength boosters.
Mitsuru
>>743725583This.
>>743703824>2nd place KasumiShe was in the party for like five minutes.
>>743723682I turned my Thanatos into a brave blader because I love his physical attack animation.
>>743659093
>>743723682These are worthless because modern Persona games hands you whatever Persona loadout you want for free
>>743726086Cease and Desist, before I call the police.
>>743726032Nice. Currently have this guy for Slash damage.>>743726210Doesn't mean everyone has equal access to or work for everything.
>>743657223>have to pay 105 bucks to get the same amount of content as FESNoinb4>B-but you had to re-buy P3 to get Fes content!Not in Japan, and even then, buying both version is still cheaper, because PS2 games were 50 bucks.
>>743723682This was my main persona for the endgame
>>743728202Scathach's delicious thighs
>>743728202>scat-hatchGrotesque description of an anus.
>>743659093Ken was unironically extremely based.
>>743660145
>>743729232>have to be a Genius>takes her to some fast food joints
>>743661587I like AI Party control, forced you to adapt to the AI, and if you actually tweaked shit it was just fine. People overstate Marin Karin.I hate it basically ceased to be even be a option in more modern games, and even worse when people think turning on Auto-Battle in a toggle (that includes the MC cause it is a everyone or no one option) is the same thing. Like yeah, i get why it became optional in P4, but let me play as the Baby Sitter if i wanna dammit.
>>743657223lolno
>>743729919>I like AI Party contro-stopped reading.
>>743727832>Not in JapanDo you live in Japan? Dumbass.
>>743727832P3 was $50 and P3FES was $30 IIRC. $80 in 2008 is like $130 today. The only way to get a better deal is a trade in, but gamestop would only give you $15 at max so it would be $65 net in 2008 or $110 today. Basically the same price.
>>743727832>not in Japan You dumb?
>>743657223It's a Persona game so different versions are just choosing between getting punched in the throat or getting punched in the dick, it's still a miserable fucking experience either way.
>>743693609'ate these people that go to Japan to act retarded, I think P4's message was a mistake
>>743731152Since you got a kneejerk from the preamble i'll give you the conclusion then without the scary difference of opinion."It should be an option/individual toggle for those that still want that experience".
>>743657223For a new player, yeah probably.If you want a more 'real' experience FES is the way to go.
>>743733551I wish someone would make an actual argument against it instead of throwing around terms like "real" "soul" or whatever other nonsense they can think of. Give me a concrete reason, not empty buzzwords.
>>743657223It's not that hard to compete with an old game.
>>743734749Then why do remakes usually lose
>>743730479mating press FeMC while Ken watches
>>743733551Ok, granny.
I love yuko
demakeNo one except OP cares, everyone knows the new is a complete failure that misses the tone enterely. Ugly ass nigger game for a ugly ass niggerzoomutt generation that just consumes for the sake of consuming.
I like it
>>743721958Those calculations are literal endgame and the difference between akihiko and Mitsuru is extremely minimal and do not take into consideration charge and concentrate. So if you go by that evidence the difference in damage is marginal.Weaknesses are all covered by MC, so your choice of party does matter if you want your mc to have as little work possible to do which is exactly why characters that cover multiple weaknesses are so good and why Akihiko is considered a “boss killer” rather than a versatile character.Saying to grind orthrus to 32 for matarukaja is very convenient for you as well. I actually calculated this and you can get it with the lovers arcana without grinding if you have maiko at 7, I suppose you’re gonna say now that you have to focus maiko to 7 now before block 3 right? While also accusing other people of claiming that they are telling others to “play their way” or just call someone a waifufag as a catch all ad hominem?
>>743740375>Those calculations are literal endgame and the difference between akihiko and Mitsuru is extremely minimal and do not take into consideration charge and concentrate. So if you go by that evidence the difference in damage is marginal.Akihiko doesn't even need Charge or Concentrate to deal a truckload of damage, but Koromaru has a party-wide Charge buff as his Theurgy (and MC can add both to one character) and you don't really do Charge/Concentrate for normal mobs because of the turn investment. And if we're doing Charge/Concentrate builds, then MC is the absolute best since he relegates them to different personas and has much better Theurgies than Mitsuru.>Weaknesses are all covered by MC, so your choice of party does matter if you want your mc to have as little work possible to do which is exactly why characters that cover multiple weaknesses are so good and why Akihiko is considered a “boss killer” rather than a versatile character.In that case, Mitsuru is superfluous in general because she hits Ice, Dark (through specific weapon element swap), and Slash, and all of those except Ice is covered by MC and Koromaru (and MC has Ice access through Theurgies as well). Akihiko covers Strike and Elec which doesn't overlap with either of them, and then Junpei can add Pierce and Fire. This even synergizes with Koromaru's MT Charge Theurgy.>Saying to grind orthrus to 32 for matarukaja is very convenient for you as well. I actually calculated this and you can get it with the lovers arcana without grinding if you have maiko at 7, I suppose you’re gonna say now that you have to focus maiko to 7 now before block 3 right? While also accusing other people of claiming that they are telling others to “play their way” or just call someone a waifufag as a catch all ad hominem?If you must know, I might have had Maiko around 6-7 Rank on my run around midgame because I'm pretty sure I was past vacation by that point.
>>743731898>"It should be an option/individual toggle for those that still want that experience".It is. It has been since p4. P5 has it too. So does p3 reload.Your next line will be "well it's not as good as in p3fes!"Just shut the fuck up. You're a joke.
>>743721958You unlock the simple herb sprout at 12/2It takes 13 days to grow and will give you charge herbs. That means you can harvest about 4 times total.If you do the fuuka gardening hang out you can get 2 concentrate herbs.This means you can only get about 6 (maybe 8) concentrate herbs per playthrough since the first sprout you plant cannot be grown with fuuka in the 13 days its growing.In other words, the concentrate herbs are only gonna last you for tartarus bosses that you can one shot with mc scarlet havoc and takaya/jin/nyx.If we go by this logic Mitsuru having Concentrate is a significant boon to her damage on random encounters including red shadows.
>>743741834Akihiko doesnt need it but does less damage than Mitsuru without it.Koromaru’s party wide charge is a complete and utter waste on Akihiko because his theurgy is magical, if you actually think its worth using on god hand then the reality is that youd have gotten more mileage out of koros first theurgy, the same applies to Yukari’s concentrate theurgy. Both of these theurgies actually kind of suck and you’re actually better off using yukaris first theurgy first turn because of the auto-concentrate bow.You do not use Koromaru if using Mitsuru’s dark weapon you use Junpei, which also has synergy with Mitsuru’s passive.>I might have had Maiko around 6-7The recommendation for outside social links is to do them during test/vacation days and to do them equally. Without knowing about orthrus and matarukaja beforehand you wouldn’t do this “tech” as it requires you doing something specific. Its a poor argument
>>743742218Reminder again that Akihiko has access to Charge through Koromaru/MC (and the latter even gives Concentrate) and has his damage through the roof without it thanks to normal bitch-ass Taru buffing. You are killing mobs with or without the one turn prep and screwing over bosses with it, without Mitsuru's assistance.
>>743731898They're never going to bother fixing the AI to be what it was in FES, it's been broken since Portable so they're not gonna start nowPersonally I think that's a shame too but there are at least mods that help with that, though it almost makes party member AI too competentI think it's pretty ridiculous that party AI couldn't baton pass on its own (at least when I played, maybe its been patched) while Strega could, so they just chose not to program that in for some reason
>>743741953Calm down anon, I know those had them since that was how i played those games. I think you are Projecting bad faith on me there, i was just stating i like the feature (that anon claims "no one likes"), not which version is better. Im actually salty less because Persona and with "modern games" i mean it more because back when Metaphor released an anon lied to me that Persona styled Party AI was an option there, but that anon was just misrepresenting the Auto-Battle of that game, though i see how you could misconstrue what i said in the first post as that since i was vague. But that would mean you read further then you claimed.I actually have no chip on the shoulder which version is better or worse since as you said, the ferqature is there. I just staing that there are people who like that feature and do put the party under AI control rather then Manual. You just see that and automatically assumed im a attacking Reload and praising FES.
>>743658642>adults are assholes in the eyes of teenagersStop the fucking presses.
>>743670897Why is this boy wearing a skirt and looking at me like that?
>>743742729>using mcs theurgy to give charge/concentrate to one targetYou never do thisKoromaru using power charge for a non-theurgy attack is less damage than just using his own theurgy. You are specifically talking about using the Koromaru/Aigis/Akihiko party setup which is good
>>743743191Didn’t finish typing.Which is good for boss killing but not versatile and bad aoe.
>>743742557>Koromaru’s party wide charge is a complete and utter waste on Akihiko because his theurgy is magical, if you actually think its worth using on god handIt benefits Akihiko through Gigantic Fist/God Hand because it benefits his DPS in-between Theurgies, and most importantly it also benefits everyone else you're using for damage (MC, Junpei, Aigis, Koromaru himself through Getsu-ei).>You do not use Koromaru if using Mitsuru’s dark weapon you use Junpei, which also has synergy with Mitsuru’s passive.But then you'd deprive yourself of wind damage and the best character in the game besides MC for a character that needs some RNG in his favor even with beneficial conditions when said character also benefits even more from Koromaru being on the team.>The recommendation for outside social links is to do them during test/vacation days and to do them equally. Without knowing about orthrus and matarukaja beforehand you wouldn’t do this “tech” as it requires you doing something specific. Its a poor argumentThat's how I mostly did them. I prioritized Hierophant because I needed the points from Koromaru walk for the last one, but since they are all interchangeable for the most part, it doesn't really matter for the most part beyond achieving certain ranks to unlock other SLs.
>>743743279>bad AoE>between Ma- spells, Akihiko's 1st Theurgy, and Junpei's Blade of Fury/Deathbound/Vorpal Blade.Yeah, that's the dumbest thing you've said so far.
JUMP AROUND JUMP AROUND JUMP AROUND NOW
>>743743594Yes but using it for that alone is worthless its good to buff other theurgies thats why It benefits a party of aigis and junpei because of their theurgies and it also becomes worthless once fuuka’s theurgy can provide charge/concentrate, that happens at the start of harabah.Junpei/mitsuru/ken coversFire, ice, elec, light, dark, slash, pierce, strikeKen/koromaru/anyone except yukariProvides cover for every element except one, just like the previous party setup.For example, ken/koromaru/aigis, akihiko, junpei provides cover for every element except iceKen/koromaru/mitsuru provides cover for every element except strikeBoth party setups are useful across tziah and harabah but Akihiko and Aigis cover the least amount of weaknesses for each for obvious reasons. Mitsuru not only has a wide variety of coverage but also provides rakunda which makes her more useful than Aigis in most situations. Aigis on the other hand has matarukaja which makes her far more useful than Akihiko who can only give you sukukaja and tarunda at a point in the game where you probably will never need it and are probably already running an auto-maraku and auto-masuku persona.
>>743743781Sorry I meant to say bad aoe theurgies.
It would not be an exaggeration in the slightest that Junpei Iori can clear Tartarus solo.
>>743745421got bodied on the train trying that shitdudes a jealous retard i dont know why atlus went against the whole point of the story reviving his waifu
>>743745421In normal mode yeah I can see it. Maybe hard.Merciless hes gonna need support tho From Mitsuru
>>743745421He's not making it past 60 floors
>>743745421PQ1 JunpeiGod I miss him
>>743745421>goes to melee a level 10 shadow>misses>lands on his ass>death is not a hunter unbeknownst to its prey
>>743657223
>>743744549Or Akihiko/Junpei because God Hand hits like a truck and his theurgies are extremely spamable AND also hard-hitting.>Junpei/mitsuru/ken coversMisses out on Koromaru, the best party member in Reload besides MC.>Ken/koromaru/anyone except yukariPicking Ken or Yukari results in a net damage decrease in general in exchange for support, but the best support member in a team will always be MC because they have the Wild Card. It is also thanks to that very same Wild Card that covering as many weaknesses in general is a moot point because you are guaranteed to be able to cover the rest with MC and still have slots leftover for your broken MC damage personas or otherwise styling on enemies even more. Like, going back to Koromaru/Akihiko/Junpei:>Slash, Pierce, Strike, Fire, Elec, Wind (through Koromaru specific weapon), DarkMC only has to cover Ice and Light damage-wise. That's just two Persona slots. Even with dedicated healing, support, and auto personas, that will still leave plenty of slots left over for Slash/Scarlet Havoc and extra builds for whatever else you want to do with the MC... Huh? What's that? MC gets access to Light affinity weapons? Sorry; gotta change the above coverage to:>Slash, Strike, Pierce, Fire, Elec, Wind, Light, DarkWe're only missing Ice with this combination folks, and MC has an MT Ice Theurgy so an Ice Persona for MC makes sense.>>743744607Akihiko's picking the slack with his spamable 1st Theurgy there.
>>743746928You keep posting this but nobody cares
I love Fula
>>743745421In p3fes my Junpei watched a shadow used Tetrakarn on itselfSummoned his PersonaThen attacked it with a physical attack.Aigis skipped her turnYukari used a medicine.The AI control even when properly set up is god awful.
who the fuck is Fula?
>>743722040He was correcting someone who said it wasn't censored when it factually was, you disingenuous retard.
>>743746928I care about this
>>743745421If he has a ramen cart with him maybe
>>743750106Me
>>743749847I'm surprised no one has done one of those "Can you beat Tartarus with only your AI Party members doing damage?"Videos
>>743750865https://youtu.be/a_JsIPWUG3Y
>>743751070Oh, well thenNeat
The bottom has so much more fidelity and looks better on modern hardware therefore it's the best way to experience the movie. Anyone who says top is the best way to experience it is just a tired boomer stuck in the past
>>743723682>>743727459Incidentally, I also did this hee-ho! I only have to swap out Growth 3 for Spell Mastery or another useful skill hee-ho!
>>743751325Have you lost your mind?
>>743751431I'm just presenting the arguments of team remake
>>743751408Hope you know to speak to Elizabeth with that
are these retards really min maxing reload when the game is braindead easy after Fuuka joins?Play FES hardmode if you want a challenge.
>>743746928I care, keep posting.
>>743657223persona 3 is the worst persona game and the remake just makes it worse. soulless artstyle, no femc, the answer as paid dlc, all the old music is fucked. the only positive is the girls are easier to jerk off too and some of the brand new songs are pretty good.
>>743751753You mean P3P Maniac
>>743661587The AI stuff makes P3 have a much better momentum than other games. You just watch the AI do its thing.>>743665376Whilst certain tracks are better, like Iwatodai down and changing seasons (the french bitch talking was not good cope), the overall ost is worse by far.>have a shit sound setup/listen on a damn phoneI have a $2k audio set up.>>743684543Agreed. You would have to be an actual contrarian to disagree.>>743741953>Your next line will be "well it's not as good as in p3fes!"Oh, stfu, Joseph. It quite literally isn't.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJWwP7HbluE
>>743751325Reload has QoLWhere's your cope fag
>>743751587Yeah; I was curious if she would say anything if I did what she said in the Jack Frost doll request.
>>743727832>Buy on Steam saleWow, now I have the entire package for a reasonable price.
>>743706049That's the point. It has been the point since p3. You could even argue smt3 with the voice synthesiser.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QUB1yzVIfU>>743704776this version is better doe:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHVTR-6TeQY
>>743751916persona 1 & 2 are millions times worse
>>743752573yeah, well, u r a fagget
>>743752573truth nukep1 and p2 are dogshit and only pseuds like it
>>743752214...is that actually hard?
I think the people who defend Reload started with it and are coping by saying it's better because they feel that the 100 hours they spent playing an unnecessary demake would otherwise be a waste of their lives.
>>743704776trueand taylor swift and BTS are the best song makers in the universeand marvel movies are the peak of cinema
>>743753046or they just have shit taste, zoomer idolize P5 as one of the greatest games ever made.
>>743657223Remake botched the Nyx fight, Battle and Poem for Everyone's Souls.The rest of the game could be an 100 percent improvement but messing those up is an instant no buy from me.
>>743752974From what I heard its harder than FES
>>743746928I genuinely got monkey's pawed with reloadI'd was hopeful for 6 until I remembered it's Wada and not Hashino
