>>743722273
How?

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>>743722273
Even despite the mid last quarter, it's my favorite.
3 > 1 NS2 < X DE < 2

>>743722597
The last quarter is mid? I'd say the big hill with 3 is right after the intro aka direct after Gurenica's death all the way to after Ribbi Flats. And I'd still put 2 over 3 overall despite 2 also having a miserable beginning.

2 > 1 > 3

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>>743722273
>Enel thread

>>743722273
>the Xeno IP
Retard

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>>743722719
Really wanted a 2 DE to fix at least some of my issues with 2. I hate gacha, field skill checks merc missions, and the a good chuck of the story until around chapter 5 or 6. Rex's voice + and the rushed voice direction is very apparent. Also the game needs more than 1 save file, I dont care if they think it encourages cheesing the gachaslop mechanic. At least the really scrappy resolution will be leagues better.

>>743723141
Yes retard. Xeno is one overarching story that became retarded once Nintendo got a hold of it.

Gears and Saga were PEAK but Blade killed it.

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>>743722273
>daily NDS thread

Only retarded snoys think Xeno 1 and 2 are better than 3.

>Xenoblade fantasy adventure
>Xenoblade gacha girl collecting
>Xenoblade mecha spinoff
>Xenoblade YA sci-fi dystopia
>Xenoblade academy
just be glad that they're still trying different things.

>>743723568
Which one is Xenoblade Fantasy? Because the first one is all about one guy on a revenge quest to destroy all giant mechs

>>743722273
How? Xeno's been destroying itself over and over since its inception.
Xenogears got cut off early, and had the last part of the game be endless dialogue/exposition dumps.
Xenosaga games were just completely bad altogether.
Xenoblade games were probably the first time they were competent on their own, and didn't need to be carried by being in love with the story itself to ignore the big problems with the game itself (like gears)

>>743722273
Contrarian 2coomers lost

I have no interest in any Xenoblade game other than 1.

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>>743722597
Same but my ranking is more
3 > 1 > X > 2

>>743723643
>Which one is Xenoblade Fantasy? Because the first one is all about one guy on a revenge quest to destroy all giant mechs
It literally started off as a "hero takes magical sword to defeat the Demon King" story and pulled some super sci-fi twists the further it went.

>>743724015
Okay, Wiisnoy.

>>743723568
ye people dont understand coming up with conflicts that dont fell contrived is actually super difficult. there was no reason to continue the klaus saga because most of the loose threads were resolved. all thats missing is "how did malos survive after XC2?" (i think he attatched himself to pneuma right before he died), and mythras kid maybe.

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>>743724212
I just assumed Malos was correct in that Aegis's aren't easily killed. He didn't die when Mythra blew him up in Torna. He didn't die when Rex blew him up in the Beanstalk.

The real mystery that I'd like an answer to is how did Noah get not one but 2 Aegis weapons in Aionios? Even control freak Z who runs the world doesn't know

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>>743722273
3>X>1>>>>>> 2

>>743724395
or how did mio and noah come back from being mobius. i usually just headcanon those as something to do with m and n's regret being so strong, their corresponding core crystals in origin basically wished themselves back into the cycle. a lot of the weird things in aionios can be chalked up to "wills of the beholder" since its just a simulation of sorts. still feels very handwavy tho

>>743724171
Switch 1, actually.

>>743724560
Well they bluntly say that during the ending

>N
>We were conceived from regret.

>Noah
>Sorry...

>N
>Unlike you, who sprung forth from hope,
regret is our be-all and end-all.
>"If only we'd made the right choice..."
>"If only things had been different..."

>M
>Blindly, we never tried to change ourselves,
>wishing only that the world would instead.
>We clung to the egotistical dream, of being together forever...

You are correct in that Aionios handwaves too much for my taste. Or is too reliant on feelings and themes

>>743724519
X sucked

>>743724560
>or how did mio and noah come back from being mobius.
The playable Noah and Mio are essentially glitches, but in-universe they're splinters of the originals, representing their discarded "hope". N gave up his hope when he destroyed the City for the sake of saving Mio, and M gave up her hope when she witnessed N sacrificing his humanity for something she doesn't want.

>>743724773
> Aionios is too reliant on feelings and themes
my thoughts exactly. wish genesis or the switch 2 edition give some answers, even if indirect

>>743724819
ye pretty much what i was trying to say but you explained it better

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The new Ether Jets in 1 are such a great QoL that it's going to feel weird if 2 and 3's NSW2 editions at least don't have some form of moving faster. Don't really give a shit about "ruin the scale/artistic integrity", it's fun. More fun than just warping between fast travel points everywhere. Maybe that's why I prefer X because sprinting and jumping around feels much better than the others

>>743724819
It kind of makes me wonder what the fuck Z is doing when he set the rule that soldiers who reach their homecoming aren't recycled. The Endless Now is supposed to last forever, if soldiers can stop being recycled over time then his war can't last an eternity. Even if it takes eons, he's gonna run out of people eventually. And that's not even factoring in the annihilation events chipping away at the world itself. We know he can recreate soldiers who reached their homecoming because he recreate Mio. So what the fuck?

>>743724519
X is kinda lame. Don't know why you guys hyped it so much

>>743724519
Just finished this last week and I wanted to club this retarded whore by the time I was done.

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>>743724519
based

>>743725667
Why?

>>743722273
Nintendo wasn't the reason XB went turbo retarded after 1 and X. Also all the new story content in both DE's for 1 and X are complete dogshit. X's DE in particular has the most insulting story additions.

>>743722273
XB3 is trash. I like Noah and Mio though, both individually and as a couple, as well as their counterparts.

>>743723740
You can't even blame Square and Bamco here. Takahashi has no concept of what a budget it. He just assumes that everyone will give him infinite money to do whatever he wants.

>>743726514
Xenoblade 1 was a fluke and should have stayed a Japanese only title. Dev got too big for his britches.

>getting a switch 2 soon, just waiting for/looking for a sale
I played. nut never finished XC1 on 3DS, is it worth getting on switch?
I did not hate it, ot care about res and stuff, I just got turbo stuck at some point on the second giant robot somewhere in the middle

>>743726809
Yeah, there are a bunch of improvements and DLC that links it to the other games.

>>743725667
>t. tatsu

Xenosaga already existed on ps2 though

>>743727389
Yeah, Gears is the best, Saga is great, Blade is shit.

>>743727389
>>743727638
what stops them from remaking these?
copyright?
its one of those games that I'll have to emulate to play it seems

>>743728767
Own by different companies + unfinished at that. They'ed have to bring back the original dev just to piece both those games back together with Saga especially needing to be remade from the ground up. That game series was running of voodoo magic and used to be the hardest game to emulate on the PS2 back in the day and to this day can still crash your PC's GPU, extremely rare now but still can happen. Gears was nearly the same from what I remember hearing.

>>743729180
>with Saga especially needing to be remade from the ground up. That game series was running of voodoo magic and used to be the hardest game to emulate on the PS2 back in the day and to this day can still crash your PC's GPU
I just emulated all three last month and had no issues whatsoever. I just loaded them up and went.

>>743722273
Your mother suck starts mechons in hell.

>>743724773
>Or is too reliant on feelings and themes
I mean, its a soul machine. And I am pretty sure something similar happened in Xenogears too.

>>743724802
>>743725625
X has a pisspoor unfinished story because some higher up basically decided to shoehorn in a create a character and multiplayer elements last minute. Elma was supposed to be the player character, thats why she IS the main character of X.

That being said, the exploration, mechs, and combat are still unmatched by the rest of the series.

My personal ranking is X > Torna>1>Future Redeemed>3>2>Future Connected

I hope they polish up the visuals in Genesis.

>>743724519
>Replies are more offended about X being second place than 3 being first place
Did I enter an alternative timeline?

>>743730059
They will, going off the first trailers for XB2 and 3

>>743722273
Best Xeno game, no matter how much you Snoys seethe.

You think Genesis will have a class system. X had one, then 2 had classes which are stat boosts defined by the roles of the weapon and 3 just went FF5.

>>743730424
Each one has had a least a soft class system so I imagine Genesis will be no different.

What fucked with my head though was realizing Rex is really an ether character, not a physical one

>>743722273
>Destroyed
>Made more popular than ever

>>743730858
Many such case

What do you mean with destroyed? Xenoblade Chronicles 1 and X was shit already.

>>743731053
Yes but I was my kind of shit

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>>743724171
I know who you are.

>>743730793
>What fucked with my head though was realizing Rex is really an ether character, not a physical one
Makes sense.
>Smol characters like Rex and Nia are Ether
>Tall characters like Zeke and Morag are Physical

>>743724560
>how did mio and noah come back from being mobius
They didn't, the Moebius versions of them were still there, Noah and Mio were fractured selves of them created by how at odds the choice of N to become Moebius was with his true nature, and by M being forced to become a Moebius to be used as bait instead of being given a choice, these two unique phenomena caused their emotions to become fractured, as the world of Aionios is powered entirely by emotions, and allowed these fractured selves to reincarnate in the cycle to face their original selves as their repentance.

The franchise peaked in the first game before it was ruined with waifu garbage

>>743724773
>You are correct in that Aionios handwaves too much for my taste. Or is too reliant on feelings and themes
Everything in Xenoblade 1, 2 and 3 revolves around emotions, the very concept of Blades was created (And Alvis retrofitted into it) in order to drive this theme home; whenever a core crystal, including the aegis crystals, is activated it takes on the emotional state of the person who bonded with them at the moment of resonance, Malos became a genocidal misanthrope because that was the true reflection of Amalthus' mind, Mythra became a lazy, unfocused imbecile because Addam didn't want to be a hero and just wanted to go back to his preggo wife and grow turnips, and Z, who is essentially the fourth Aegis, was influenced by the collective populations of Bionis and Alrest being scared shitless of the future into trapping them in a permanent present where they do nothing but suffer; the one exception to this is Alvis, who instead inverts the rule, having not resonated with anyone in particular when he first activated Alvis is an entirely rational being to a fault, and it's only through his intimate interactions with Shulk that he generates the A personality, which allows him to oppose Zanza and later splits off of Alpha to join Matthew against both him and Moebius.

>>743728767
Xenogears is owned in its entirety by Square Enix and Monolith has an extremely negative relationship with them.
Xenosaga is owned by Namco Bandai which is more amicable with Monolith and Nintendo, thus the constant references in 2 and 3, but X already was the remake/revisit of that concept.

>>743730341
Looking back on how little gameplay Xenosaga actually has it's no wonder snoys prefer it, they love games that aren't games, and conversely why they hate Xenoblade, since it is the first time Xeno prioritized substantial gameplay.

>>743722273
They should turn it into an action rpg like kingdom hearts instead of the shitty mmorpg gameplay it has

>>743733481
Hmmmm I wonder if that's the plan
But you can play more of the characters
Hmmmmmmmmmm

>>743722273
>nintendo destroyed
Nah, 2 failed attempts beforehand is why the series veered off so far, then whe Monolithsoft finally found consistent success they started to wind back into being Xeno, now the devs are just too old to start all over and create the thing that they wanted. Remember Nintendo let Monolith keep going in spite of Xenoblade X's failure, fortunately it would pay off with 2,3, DE and the expansions.

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>>743730424
Hope they go back to something like 1 where each character has a more defined role. Realized after playing 3 that letting characters be too open destroys their originality.

>>743734046
Considering the focus on Crystone and the fact that they are colored after the three roles of 3, I can only say sorry anon.

>>743733269
What if i don't play Xeno for the gameplay? If i want to focus on gameplay i can play FF5. Xeno is famous for the narrative.

>>743723285
>Xeno is one overarching story that became retarded once Nintendo got a hold of it.
Gears and Saga made no fucking sense and weren't part of the same IP you retard.

>>743735068
You'd play an FF5 game that doesn't have particularly unique gameplay over a game that's praised for its gameplay be ahse you like gameplay?

>>743722346
They released 2.
Thankfully 3 and XDE redeemed the series' future.

So, I guess they embraced the Chronicles subtitles in japanese?

>>743735216
>made no fucking sense
Objectively false

>>743736420
Xenoblade is more popular on the west.

>Called Xenoblade Genesis
>When the MC of Xenoblade 3 is named after the most popular guy of the book of Genesis.
I do not comprehend.

>>743722273
I fucking hope so, this slop is the downfall of nintendo

>>743737041
>the only good thing nintendo has is its downfall
make it make sense.

>>743734046
I don't mind both, but for instance having a tank built around armor/health vs evasion tank I am always picking Dunban and Morag over Reyn/Tora. Letting you keep a character because you like their personality and mold them how you need them to fit your team is a fine option

>>743722273
Xenoblade was never good. Awful gameplay loop with abysmal side content as the main gameplay attractions.
If I wanted to play an MMO, I'd play a fucking MMO. Playing an offline MMO when there's nobody to grind together with is like watching paint dry. The series' foundations are fundamentally flawed.
Worse yet, Monolith injected some of that dumbass design into Zelda. Zelda used to be a series that had a reasonable length with meaningful content, but now it's stuffed with fetch quests and useless collectibles just like Xenoblade. People don't hate Monolith Soft nearly enough.

>>743722597
>3 > 1 NS2 < X DE < 2
So 3 is better than 1, and X is also better than 1, but 2 is better than X. But we'll never know how 3 stacks up against X and 2 because you wrote it out in such a bizarre fashion.

Its kinda weird that critical hits has a defensive equivalent in the guards, but dodge don't have one.

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Mythra My Beloved
9 days until wife’s game

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>>743740587
Yes, and?

t.3 is my favorite.

>>743723285
>Xeno is one overarching story
Retard

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>>743738662
Based. And Mythra's kid will appear!

>>743740587
Gacha shit, field skills, and chapter 4 bring XC2 down

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>>743741037
And all the cringe weebshit, and shit art style.

>>743722273
XB3 was total dogshit and Genesis looks even worse.

>>743740887
Shut up already retard

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>>743740587
>The Last of Us 2 is objectively superior to all Xenoblade games
Based.

>>743742834
VGH... SOVL...

>>743723246
No one asked or cares.

>>743742834
Yeah it's shit, unironically

>>743743049
yeah 2 doesn't deserve a specialized port, just a lazy res/fps boost with a cappy new mode

>>743743143
Seething lmao.

>>743743143
None of them got "specialized ports" you obsessed retard.

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>>743743143
As a proud 2DE warrior, I'm afraid we've lost, anon. Maybe on Switch 3...

>>743735426
By... Confirming rex has a harem?

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>>743743196
XC2fag malding

>>743723246
>I hate gacha
literally the best part of 2, the implementation of Heroes in 3 was so ass

Is X integral to the series? I'm a Xenolet but seeing they were upgrading all of them for NS2, I decided to rpeorder them to undust my switch.

>>743743049
Expressing opinions on a forum? Get a load of that retard, amirite?

>>743722346
Xenoblade 3 is woke, censored and garbage.
>>743722597
Why are you confusing < and >?

>>743743714
>Xenoblade X got a -10 for being on Wii because the leftists hated the Wii U
>Xenoblade Chronicles 2 got a -10 for being traditional hero
>Xenoblade Chronicles 3 +60 for being woke and censored
I hate critics so much

>>743744371
No one wants to read your stupid shitty regurgitated opinion that you heard from a bot.

>>743744301
Xis skippable unless Genesis ties into it. As fir the upgrade, it uses a really shifty upscaler. It bad on handheld and slightly less bad Docked. Though it runs 60 pretty consistent. XC1's upgrade is ymthe opposite, image quality is pretty good, but it dips alot in areas like Makna, Eryth Sea, Fallen Arm, etc. It uses double buffer vsync which causes any drop under 60 to be 30fps. Those drops also cause the UI/game to slowdown

>>743744669
I gotta proofread more

XC1/2/X are amazing so no, not really. 3 is disappointing yes but the DLC saves it.

>>743744493
we don't hate them enough.

>>743744301
X is among my favorite but it has nothing in term of story, I mean it still has one and it's fine, has some kino moment but you play X for the gameplay and world first. The new chapter they released for it is horseshit and should be ignored.

>>743736420
Sort of yeah. 1, 2, and 3 are now retroactively the "Chronicles" games in Japan. Simultaneously the west is dropping the Chronicles subtitle for the overarching series.

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X2 when?

>>743743364
by foregoing the putird gacha mechanics and having a story that actually attempts to hook you

>>743745573
>story that actually attempts to hook you
3 and X's stories are trash

>>743745495
>3 was woke and censored
>X extra chapter was a joke
>Genesis looks like it will likely be woke and censored like 3
Please never let them ruin X again

>>743745649
Didn't say they were good. I said it (I didnt play X) attempted to hook you, which it did early. 2 early was
>I wanna go to candy island pls
and tried no further to get me to care beyond everyone telling Rex its made up fairy tale bullshit

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I'm pretty excited to see who the new blade in 2 is going to be. I'm not expecting it to be anything *too* crazy, but some additional lore could be fun. Given that KOS-MOS' VA recorded some new lines, she might be relevant to the blade quest in some way (though that could just be lines for the merc missions mode). Maybe it'll be Shion to make the Sagafags go ga-ga.

I like that Monolith has gotten into the habit of appending new gameplay styles into their games as of late:
- Racing mode into 1
- "Action" gameplay mode into 2
- Roguelike and vampire survivors modes into 3

Makes me wonder if we'll get something like that in Genesis' DLC or base campaign. Maybe they'll finally bite the bullet and give us a card game side mode since they seem to enjoy putting whatever is popular among indies in.

>>743722597
Gears disc 1> Saga>Blade>Gears disc 2
Square Penis should do something good for once and let them redo Gears.

>>743748180
Gears Disc 1> Saga 3>all Blade> Saga1> Gears Disc 2> Sag 2

>>743722597
Xenoblade 1 > Torna > FC >Xenoblade 2 > Xenoblade 3 > FR > X

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>>743748541
>Future Connected that high

>>743748180
>>743748273
Gears > Saga >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blade
On Disc 2 there are moments of immense density;,if they had expanded on Maria and Rico, it would have been perfect. When the story has literary value, i don't care about gameplay. (Which is still there anyway, the chair scenes are only 10% of Disc 2, I checked, and they're great)

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>>743726762
Have you apologised today ?

>>743722273
More like they salvaged this from the IP graveyard and made something that people actually want to play.

>>743749228
sometimes series should just end.

>>743723285
Perfect Works fags need to stop being delusional.
Ironically the Xenoblade games are the closest the series has ever come to realizing that idea because they were separate entries in a shared cosmology.

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>>743722273
This game is so damn fucking kino and so much better than the rest of the series

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>>743750195

>>743750459
KEK

>>743750459
>Man, I'm freezing my balls off...
Kino

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>>743750894
i can't with this cucklord, he's so silly

Notice how everyone that loves 3 hates 2 with a passion, makes me wonder if any of them even played a xenoblade or this is some sort of culture war against sexualized characters

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>>743740587
I agree on Xenoblade 2 being the lowest rated one. But it needs to be lower

>>743750989
2 is the only game with a gacha mechanic

>>743750989
in 2 every characters is a mismatch of art styles from different artists, in 3 everything looks so clean and stylized. in 2 the menu takes like 2 seconds to open and to let you interact with it, in 3 it opens almost instantly and let's you interact with it as soon as you press the button to open it. in 2 the navigation sucks because of the compass thing, in the rest of the games you get the navigation thingy that you can just follow, idk man xenoblade 2 is great, has the best combat in the series and the most content, but it has some issues that gives me the ick that could have been fixed so easily

>>743751326
I agree with some points but
>3 everything looks so clean and stylized
Everything also looks muted and homogenized, I understand they went for a more somber mood because of the story but it made the game as a whole feel uninspired
>oh there's another plains biome
>oh there's another military camp
>oh there's more atmospheric BGM
Also, I found myself navigating more menues in 3 because of the class system

the only good games are 1 and xcx

>>743751864
>Also, I found myself navigating more menues in 3 because of the class system
that's kind of wild of you to say, maybe you didn't play 2 enough or you're not as autistic as me as to open the menu almost everytime i unlock an ability in the affinity chart

>>743742982
Yes, it is. Both critically and commercially it is better than any xenoblade game.

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>>743744228
>literally the best part of 2

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>>743752284
as a xenoblade 3 glazer, literally my favorite game ever, i must admit he's right. but im biased since i have the brain of a gachatard and i like being able to farm pulls and not have to do dailies or any of that shit

>>743752116
Autistic enough to respec everytime a character reached max class level in 3, so I spent way more time navigating menus than in 2. I'm not defending 2's menuing though, just saying 3 was worse in that regard.

>>743752863
I wouldn't hate 3's menuing if it weren't for the fucking iris music interrupting the soundtrack. The same reason I try to avoid chain attacks.

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I wonder how they'll handle the map in Genesis given that it seems to be open world + spherical.

Personally hoping it's 3D ala-Metroid Prime. Lemme rotate the globe around and see all the geometry.

I did not like 3's maps all being big, indecipherable orange blobs. 2's were pretty tricky to use to.

>>743745695
The X equipment system allowed devs to sneak in some sexy outfits without those bluehair at Treehouse knowing

>>743722273
1 is the only really good and complete one. Everything after is simply trying to pick up the scraps

>>743752863
but autistic enough to get all the blades, max their affinity and completely fill the second affinity grid? you can't possibly do more menuing in 3 compared to 2 considering you also have to pull the blades and discard so many common blades, i don't know if you're just lying anon

>>743751307
>gacha mechanic
Your Masha accessories?

>>743753435
Xenoblade 2 introducing the conduit into the Xenoblade 1 canon was kind of criminal t.b.h desu, considering Xenoblade 1 wasn't even gonna be a Xenoblade game until someone convinced Takahashi to change its name from Monado origins of the world

>>743722273
how? by letting it actually realize its vision? Square and Namco killed the Xeno IP.

>>743724395
>2 Aegis weapons
He only has the Sword of the End though, and that belongs only to N, Noah's is the Sword of Origin and his requires it to be drawn out from Ouroboros

>>743751864
I don’t get the “military camp” complaints. That conveniently always leaves out that every military camp is a unique gigantic fucking mecha that you often get to fight and explore.

>>743751864
>Everything also looks muted and homogenized
I disagree with muted but homogenized is true and its not a bad thing, even the guest artists nailed the designs of their respective heroes so well they blend in perfectly with the rest. In 2 there's too much of a mismatch that too many stand out as being out of place but they get a pass because they are Blades. They couldnt get away with that when tackling Heroes.

>>743754297
It’s all the same gnostic shit. You fight a giant mech called Yaldabaoth and the god of the world is a slightly different cross-shaped transcendent machine entity. Xeno moniker or not, the themes were the same.

>>743755390
Having repetitive mecha boss fights is not an adequate replacement for established cities and towns with soul, lore and culture, something Xenoblade 2 towns excelled at.

>>743755285
Both the Sword of Origin and the End are the same thing. It's one of those Japanese terms where it's written as Sword of the End(Origin).
N does have Malos while Matthew/Noah have Pneuma. I don't think they explained why they were chosen.

>>743755576
Everyone’s living in different giant mecha and you don’t fight all of them. And they still do have distinct cultures. Tech fetishists, professionals, tree huggers, battle junkies, there’s a lot of character there.

>>743755578
>Both the Sword of Origin and the End are the same thing
They arent exactly the same, its more of a duality kind of thing they had going with Ouroboros and Mobius.
>N does have Malos while Matthew/Noah have Pneuma. I don't think they explained why they were chosen.
I dont remember at any point them saying Noah had Pneuma, in fact Noah having Malos also makes a lot more sense since hes the one that brings about the end of the world.

>>743755550
You have a great point

>>743730059
It’s gonna look like a PS4 game with some nice anime character rendering. I’m completely fine with that.

>>743755803
It's more like "This Agnus colony specializes more on innovations than other Agnus colonies" than it being a distinctive culture exclusive to that specific colony. While I'm sure they tried their best with what they had, the aesthetics and the races are all shared between Agnus and Keves respectively and that inherently makes each individual colony less interesting than say the huge distinctive differences that Torigoth, Fonsa Myma and Alba Cavanich had in Xenoblade 2 just to name a few.

>>743745384
>but you play X for the gameplay
If it wasn't for big enemies having breakable appendages X combat would literally just be XC1 2.0

>>743756145
im pretty sure it'll look a bit better than that, is not the switch as powerful as a series s?

>>743756145
im so tired of the cel shaded le anime rendering shit.

>>743756458
It looks better than Series S because it’s more modern and has actually good upscaling. If it just had to crunch polygons head-to-head Switch 2 is weaker. But that’s not how modern graphics work.

>>743756461
Well shut the fuck up because it isn’t even that common.

>>743756759
Makes sense anon, not a big fan of the 480p stretched to 4k bullshit, but it is what it is y'know

>>743751864
>Also, I found myself navigating more menues in 3 because of the class system
this + dealing with all 6 playable characters eventually getting 3 accessory slots and the repetitive menu theme had me dreading the mere thought of respeccing my characters. didn't even bother trying to minmax accessories when I played 2 afterwards since caring about that in 3 was just one of the factors that burned me out of the game

Xeno was already dead before Xenoblade 1 even released.

>>743722273
Nintendo didn't do anything but give Monolith Soft creative freedom and money.

>>743755136
His vision? Blade is a huge involution

>>743755136
What vision? Perfect Works is dead. Xenoblade just rehashes some of its concepts, but watered down and with a completely different context.

>>743745495
Dead in the water it was so obvious that chapter 13 was meant to be the entire plot of XCX2 but was stripped to its bare minimum so that it could be fit into an epilogue. We might get a spiritual sucessor down the line but I doubt we are going to see the rest of X's cast again outside of Elma and maybe L.

>>743730059
I mean already it looks a big jump up from XC3

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>>743722273
"intellectual property"?

did you mean "series"?

>>743750989
i don't, i love 3 and 2 would be a perfect game without the gacha shir

Pyra > Mia

She got that Havana Ginger type body .

>>743756998
those monsters!

>>743757661
will she die if i pull out her core crystal

>>743758000
you cant do that but she will moan if you try

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The fact that Bamco sees no value in the Xenosaga brand outside of a collab in a discontinued Tales of gacha really says it all.
The dream of an HD re-release is finally dead and buried as Harada was the only guy there pushing for it.

>>743758064
>The dream of an HD re-release is finally dead and buried
Based. Xenosaga a shit

>>743758064
i mean, we got Pied piper and that shit was beyond the realm of what was possible, i think we still had a chance

>>743722273
Should I wait for XB2S2E or play XB1S2E if I've never played a XB and am more interested in 2?

>>743758226
Xenoblade 1 would definitely leave a better impression. I’d recommend it before playing 2. Both because it makes 2 better and builds up the goodwill you need to make it through a very slow opening to 2.
Also if you only care about half-naked busty anime chicks, Xenoblade 1 has that too. People just don’t talk about it as much.

>>743758064
I'm going through Xenosaga Episode I for the first time.
This doesn't need a HD re-release.
With full appreciation of its presentation, I think it deserves a remake, because this opening is ROUGH for a 2002 game.

>>743758454
Good points all around. I'll start with 1 then.

>>743758032
that's hot

>>743758554
It's a much better game that FFX

>>743758226
is your heightened interest in 2 a result of you blasting ropes to the redhead and blonde girl
you can start with either; the're almost completely disconnected. doing 2 first will ultimately spoil how 1's story will end up progressing though. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but some people really care about that so just wanted to bring that up

>>743756998
They also gave them a production process that made games instead of movies.

>>743755578
>N does have Malos while Matthew/Noah have Pneuma. I don't think they explained why they were chosen.
Only Matthew has Pyra and Mythra, one for each fists.
Noah has Fiora.
Incoming seethe

>>743751326
>every characters is a mismatch of art styles from different artists
And yet they still look better than the shitty mismatched jackets that you have to wear for classes in 3.

>>743750994
Heh, I remember this guy

>>743759161
With 1000x times worse stories

>>743758165
G-MODE did all the heavy lifting for that. If Bamco were willing to greenlight Xenosaga ports without them having to do anything, then fine, sure.
The current best shot is for one of the games to come to PS+ regardless
>>743758554
Monolithsoft's 3D modeling and cinematics finesse have evolved to the point where they could easily remake the trilogy into one unified art-style or keep the visuals as is.

>>743760061
The stories are still good. Autists just confuse setting and narrative.

>>743759567
>shitty mistmatched jackets that you have to wear for classes in 3
>have to wear
can't be helped if you despise the outfit designs of 3 as a whole, but the clothing system invalidates the argument that you're forced into specific outfits. nothing's stopping you from running through the entire game in the character's starting class outfits or even their military uniforms. can't say the same for blades in xc2 lol

>>743753595
>get all blades
>max their affinity
These are things only completionists do.
>fill the second affinity grid
That's fucking new game plus only, now you're being disingenuous.

>>743757445
It is a big jump but there’s still a ways to go.
I would cream myself if they finally fixed grass pop-in. We have the technology now. Sadly I don’t think it’ll happen.

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>>743759567
If you actually played the game, you would know that you select the clothes and aesthetics separately from the class

>>743752374
Sorry anon, but your condition is terminal

>>743758226
If you're a coomer then definitely 2. The map compass can be shit especially in chapter 4. Game has problems like gachashit, field skill checks, and grinding affinity via merc missions.

>>743760552
They are still good, but they are worse than before

>>743725234
I imagine he eventually recycles soldiers back in after like hundreds of years, it wouldn't make sense not to.

>>743761926
>If you're a coomer then definitely 2
Tbh, I don't think its that coomerific. The "ecchi moments" are so childish and comedic in nature it basically strips away all of the sensuality.

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>>743761849
i know, it's like being a drug addict, you can stay off drugs but the change they made on your brain will make it so you're a drug addict until you die

>>743725234
I dunno. Considering they make big ceremonies for it, I thought homecoming was just a extra rare event and the death toll is basically 99%.

>>743725234
>The Endless Now is supposed to last forever
It's not. The time isn't stopped. It very slowly flows. Iirc they even talked how the 3's world was bigger in the beginning before annihilation even erased some landmass. It was going to be destroyed one day.

>>743722273
I love how much seething 2 causes
please
continue
I like reading it ;)

>>743762358
Nta, but this is why I think Malos barely cared about N switching sides to Moebius.

>ctrl + f: "most hated"
>0 results
Is he finally gone?

>>743762358
the forever now was never a thing, fucking Z was a just a scam artist

>>743759567
>Comparing characters that clash with each other's aesthetic whenever they're on screen for hours on end to optional cosmetic outfits
I don't really know why you're still this hung up on the outfit system. Sure it was a half-measure compared to 1 and X but 3 still gave you plenty of unique non-jacket outfits for each character.

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>Mom dead
>got set up to almost be assasinated
>Father dies right in front of you
>Forced to kill brother
>Crush doesn't reciprocate your feelings
>Get kidnapped, strung up and forced the world go to shit for 1000+ years as you feed a machine

I love Melia.....

>>743763280
At least, she is a top tier heroes and makes your chain attack super OP!

gears>saga>blade

>2022
>/v/ shits on Xenoblade 3, and calls out its flaws
>2026
>/v/ loves Xenoblade 3 and calls it the best in the series
What changed? I don’t think XC3 is bad, but I think it’s the weakest one myself.

>>743763489
>and calls out its flaws
>/v/

>>743763489
The hyperbolic retard hating Xenoblade 3 makes me think it’s pretty good.
I mostly remember the stuff I liked. Which in the moment was clouded by how bad the ending is. But FR has papered over that somewhat.

>>743763280
My beautiful queen Melia!

>>743724519
BROTHER!

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>Play XC2

Sad...are all it's fans so outspoken?

>>743764409
>Enel
Holy shit

>>743764409
>Xeno-Chronicles 2
ThebChronicles moniker is dead, it's XB2 as it always been. Now and forever

>>743744413
>>743744493
Blade 3 isnt anymore woke then the saga games were lol. Takahashi is a mecha fag all of them are like that

>>743727638
Im not sure how anyway can praises sagas story when Jr and Shion are really the only characters who get any development and arcs. Zigg is relegated to a mobile, jin is just mentor guy, momo is a plot device, kos mos is a mystery box till 3, and chaos had his character fucked due to the cut games

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>XC2 and Future Connected add loose ends clearly meant to be answered in a future title
>XC3 comes outu
>answers no loose ends
>adds more vagueshit

what were they thinking?

>>743765560
Because its funny.

>>743765192
tbf, Xenosaga's three releases aren't three full narrative episodes, they're barely one and a half or two at most. Episode I covers almost the entire first arc as a pure introduction, while Episode II stretches its missing end paper thin into a standalone game, making it a wasted entry. Episode III merely attempted damage control.

is xenoblade 2 really that bad or is it just anime haters?

>>743756382
X removed most of the things that made 1 good. You can't even tank very well in X. The gameplay is piss poor compared to 1, 2 and 3. The exploration is fine though and using skells is fun.

>>743765763
https://youtu.be/zutYA3J3Dsw

>>743744413
Are you still at this? Even after admitting You didn't even play 2.

I hope the dragon in Genesis is a late game mount. They have already shown that we will get "horses" to move around too, so maybe we are getting aquatic and aerial mounts?

>>743722273
>>743722273
Another day of Xenoblade 3 troons coping and seething
KWAB

>>743722273
nintendo had nothing to do with it

>>743766161
>moments that make you say kino
KINO

>>743766002
>You can't even tank very well in X
Wear the right gear and you can reduce damage down to 1 even shit 50 levels higher than you.Tanking isnt the problem, the problem is that all the armour outside of the craftables and a few unique headpieces are tuned to a single element so if you want to tank effectively you have to spend a considerable amount of time adjusting your equipment for each encounter which no one wants to do because it is a pain in the ass so they settle for either complete hodge podge of armour pieces to get a balanced but low amount of reduction for all elements or just brute force their way through encounters with all the broken options the game offers the player.

>>743767183
I wonder if it affects when the sci-fi twist is going to happen. Everyone knows it's going to happen and to save it for the very least moment would be kind of weird because we know it's coming, but if you're flying around on a dragon on the late game would seem to indicate that it's going to keep up the fantasy facade for that long.

>>743723285
Having recently beaten gears, you're full of shit, the last half is a rushed disaster where characters with 0 development show up and are immediately core characters, all of the "interesting theological" points are just Japanese gnosticism, littered with contrived anime arcs.
Bart is the best character in the game

>>743768359
Try replaying the game without tiktok

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>>743767983
Dragons are SF too. Besides, Dragons were always there in Xenoblade 123. Not sure about X since I just started it.
Hell, Rex's mentor is a Dragon.

Is 2 actually good or are coomers coping? I'm gonna need some borderline high art to justify some of these big TT gachagirls

>>743768641
It is good, but it takes a few hours to get there.
Yes, its a "it get good 10 hours in" game. Honest.

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>>743768641
It's cringekino

>>743768887
Why is it like this?
Gears, saga, and blade 1 aren't like this

>>743768985
It's Persona's fault.
Eguchi: For “Xenoblade 2”, the colors and the visuals of the character give me the impression that you wanted to lower the target audience age. What do you say to this?

Hashino: I was wondering the same thing. I wanted to hear what Takahashi-san’s intention was for this.

Takahashi: For those that don’t know, you might think that. But really, I didn’t really think too hard about it.
I look at the games that Atlus makes, and I’m impressed by the brand that they establish. The world is cohesive, and you could tell just by looking that it’s an Atlus game. It easily attracts customers looking for that sort of thing. I was thinking about how amazing that is, and how you pull it off.

>>743769101
I will give some credit, the character designs are more iconic than WIInoblade 1, Shulk in Smash Bros looks like a completely different guy than how we first see him

Why does this fandom find it inconceivable to like all the Xeno games?

>>743769230
because they are deeply different from each other

>>743769225
Anyway, here's the full interview: https://xenogearsxenosagastudyguide.blogspot.com/p/denfaminicogamer.html?m=1

>>743769230
The exclusion seems one way.
I'm a straight up Nintendo hater but Blade is quite good, but specifically the gears/saga-only heads have the problem

>>743769230
It's just culture warriors who don't even like the series, but they try to raise shit about certain games being too serious, too woke, too anime, too childish, too silly, not enough fan service, too much fan service. True fans like all the games in the series for its greater themes.

>>743769727
I don't like Xenosaga but it wouldn't make me mad to see someone like it

>>743769727
Dunno, I can't into XB2's gameplay.

>>743769727
You might be right. XBC3 is my least favorite of the trilogy but it the Definitive Edition of 3 is the oneI look forward to most. Non fans would never comprehend this.

>>743769230
>fandom as a whole = handful of outspoken autists on a random /v/ thread or on social media

>>743768641
It's not high art, but it has genuine soul. It'll obviously be easier to stomach if you've got any fondness of tropey shonen anime, but I think the game has worth even if you despise it as long as you can overlook it. The gameplay might be slow at first but once you learn the nuances it feels rewarding to play. The story might start off slow but it expands with every chapter and the last few chapters are genuinely amazing. The main cast might be one of the best JRPG casts there is and the villains are pretty good too for the most part. The music and the world building is easily top 3 out of all JRPGs of all time.

It's not all good obviously, like a lot of people have problems with the gacha and field skill mechanics, though I personally don't mind them a whole lot. The game doesn't explain the battle system or any of its nuances at all, so you're basically forced to read a guide if you wanna be anywhere close to effective in battle. That said I kinda think the game is balanced around you not figuring out everything right away since you can easily make yourself overpowered and breeze through the game.

>>743769101
I remember Takahashi gushing over Metaphor too.

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>mira survey rate is at 95%
>already beat the telethia as a part of the quest where you find the bug girls all dead, doing the fight again isn't an issue
>found all treasures as well, just quests remain at this point
I'm not strong enough...

>>743723643
But the Mecha were technically the good guys that didn't do anything wrong.

>>743724560
At the end of XB3 Future Redeemed N literally says he's still Mobius you faggot.

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>Man, that's an imposing super boss you have ther-
>Aghasura Cannon

Oh...