Why does Reddit love Octopath Traveler 2? Its r/JRPG darling game
How do you even know that? Stop going to fucking reddit you dumbass
>>743723785Because OT2 is a modern fucking masterpiece. I'd say the same for Rebirth, Triangle Strategy, and Unicorn Overlord.In my head Xenoblade 1 is as well, but its not super modern anymore.
>>743723785reddit's entire identity revolves around uplifting below average things so that they can believe their below average lives matter more than they do
OT2 is my second favorite jrpg after fe3h.
>>743723785because it's a more palatable version of a typical SaGa game. perfect for pretentious hipsters.
>>743726534it kinda shows just how far our standards have fallen that games that would be considered perfectly average are now "modern fucking masterpieces" because everything else is so shit
That desperate for an OT2 thread, huh? wish you luck.
>>743727897I agree with you these games are average at best nothing to write home about but competent enough that you don't feel ripped off when you purchase them and to be honest that's the best most can hope for in modern gaming
>>743727897None of those are perfectly average.You're an idiot
>>743723785osvald sexo
>>743723785Is this game really that much better than 1? I played 1 and liked it for a while but got progressively more and more burned out over it as it just never ever varied its formula.
SEX WITH CASTTI
SEX WITH OCHETTE
>>743729246Lots of QoL- 2x battle speed toggle- skipping scenes (and missing story-related banters) can all be accessed in the journal regardless of whether you saw them or not- passive skills for grinding are much more easily accessible from base jobs- money, exp, and jp are thus much easier and faster to get- difficulty overall for main game tuned lower- more animations for enemies and playable characters (and even NPCs)- story pacing varies now instead of only OT1's city > arbitrary path action + dungeon > boss, with some with no bosses, enemies, or dungeons- a lot of upgrades to performance and world design since CURVES and various inclines exist for the environment- crossed path chapters- an actual endgame and actual final boss- epilogue- credits roll at a sane time, not immediately after your main character's final story- extra battles (free dlc) on the title screen for a far bigger challenge than anything the game can throw at youIt's an overall better and more palatable package since OT1 was basically a beta in comparison.
>>743729498And yet none of the sequel characters are interesting enough to care about or even remember.
>>743729650You're a joke
>>743727262>man who has only ever played JRPGs from the Switch era
>>743723785I fucking dropped it. The concept of breaking the story into 8 people not landed with me. As soon as i got into story of one character, the game makes me play another, and another, and another. Also after 28h there was still no proper end point of the game. I was still in the individual stories and didn;t see any common goal the characters would fight for. Dunno maybe i'm old but i prefer more linear stories. Also if there were 4 characters instead of 8 it would be more enjoyable imo.But have to say, music is amazing.
>>743729989>28hThe game's longer than this unless you're doing a replay and know what you're doing.I'm already at lvl80 with all stories beaten at 37h on my second playthrough.
>>743729989>didn;t see any common goal the characters would fight for.There's some foreshadowing in most of the stories, but after beating all 8 of them, the final chapter/arc unlocks when you activate it and there's a an actual final boss for the game.This is compared to OT1 whose actual final boss was also a superboss and was also crammed into a sidequest chain of all things.
>>743723785Perfectly sterile for millennials whose idea of a jrpg is 4 niggas in a row. It’s funny because I played through every single pixel remaster FF, and every FF game before 7 completely mogs Octopath in basically every way. I was going to make a list but there’s really too many things I’d say, so I’ll just state the biggest problem - it’s fucking soulless and generic, same problem as Bravely Default which is made by the same dev btw
Niggas be like this aesthetic is fire fr fr
>>743728095tell me why it's better than the average and compare it to the classicschallenge: don't use any insults
>>743729246It's a improvement in almost every way, some improvements being more marginal then others. Honestly the only thing i would hold against it is is the lack of Sorcerer, I didn't really mind the other Extra Jobs being replaced (And Inventor being available early and progressing the way it did was nice).It is still the same "formula" at hearty though, just with added belles and whistles to distract from it more. If you disliked looping the map to do characters episodes and small sidequests as you do then that's still what's happening in 2 and you will still probably hate it, but that's because they aren't gonna discard the whole premise of the game.
>>743729498QoL alone makes it better than the original.However the characters are now less interesting.Dungeons are still hallways with a boss in the end with no interesting events inside. This is not saying Octopath the only one guilty about it, even Suikoden has hallway dungeons and I criticize it for it.Crossed paths are boring as fk, just small talks between characters that remind me of FE Awakening & Fates support, doesn't really make the world more interesting.Overall yes it's better but still below the standards of what qualifies as a modern turn based FF successor.II don't care about Saga games btw, they are worse than FF games in terms of systems and writing)>>743729650I agree
>>743730349Triangle Strategy has units that are all incredibly varied from one another. You also can't grind to get remove the strategy aspect from combat.Tactics Ogre and FFT are both guilty for encouraging being a faggot and drawing out fights to level up, foolish character building and grinding. They aren't strategy games
>>743723785I hope 3 will have the same sprites style as 2, if not even improve them further, 0 having the same smashed and slammed sprites as 1 was so disappointing
>>743730739>Triangle Strategy has units that are all incredibly varied from one another. You also can't grind to get remove the strategy aspect from combat.Well because people are expecting at least some degree of RPG customization.With how limited you can do with a character in Tristrat, it becomes more of a puzzleEven comparing it to pre-Awakening Fire Emblem which has lots of puzzle elements, there are lots of factors that can turn into a progression fantasy in the form of RNG growths, stat boosters and such>Tactics Ogre and FFT are both guilty for encouraging being a faggot and drawing out fights to level up, foolish character building and grinding. They aren't strategy gamesI mean you are referring to the fact that alot of powerlevelers flock into these games. There are many people who try to beat it without grinding as well, by choosing the right characters and classes to invest on.Reborn also gives you level caps so it absolutely doesn't want you to over-grind in this regard
>>743730773>0 having the same smashed and slammed sprites as 1 was so disappointingThe more damning thing is that they had like 3 or 4 active poses for actions in battle; which is fair considering they had more than 36 characters to work with, but it's still drab to look at. Especially with the normal attacks: the final hit uses the exact same animation as the first/second/third hit.
>>743726534>Rebirth>masterpiece
Should I play 1 before playing 2 or is it like a Final Fantasy type situation
>>7437348061 lacks 2's QoL and it'll feel dated (which it is) and slow as molasses in comparison.Many of the people who've played both, me included, agree that it's hard to go back to 1.
I don't think it was a good game, it has a lot of shortcomings, and most importantly, it's really boring.It also doesn't help that it's a grindfest since you have to keep up with leveling the 8 characters to do their MSQ shit.I think I might be too employed to play this game, which knowing the average predditor, they have 98% probability of living off disability gibs.
>>743728505this
>>743729850>Man>Is clearly a nintentoddler zoomer
>>743723785because reddit lives hd-2d slop
>>743735130>the only married traveler with a daughter and wife>made into a homo by fagsDeranged
>>743735425Guy's the hottest in the cast, so he was doomed from the start.
post your favorite trackshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uYIcq9gVG0
>>743735620the only redeeming quality of team asano games is the soundtrack
>>743723785Why are you aware of what reddit does or doesn't like?Go back.
>>743735620https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUAMYuLexfkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9vS0A1qNXEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FagTha9tE6chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q728C_oWoP8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3JP0HNHsY
>>743735206>>743735620>>743729298I feel like everyone hyped up Throné as the best Octo but after playing this game Casti is literally the goat and had the most compelling story
No dating sim elements/romance = no buy
>>743735937It wouldn't really make sense outside of 0. 0 should've had romance with Stia at least.
>>743735620Alfyns story broke mehttps://youtu.be/xk8R1VqSvRo?si=IvUT-qBb3nXjgEEI
>>743736001>Alfyns story broke meLiterally how. It ended on a good note after his existential crisis, and even Ogen continues to go on after that.
was temenos gay?
>>743735902I think people had hype for Thrones story because it had a fairly nice opening for her plotline and SEXXO, but with the full game Castti got consistently good stuff, good moments, nice tie in to the "Meta-Plot" and got great Job designs all around, on top of being part of the Infinite-BP Meta and a great Physical Attacker and nice voice lines. She kinda got it all.
>>743735902only good thing about Thrones story was Father
>>743736339Discount Sephiroth KEK
>>743736413>gets cucked by his beloved who then kills their baby>then kills her>raises his ex-beloved's daughter to kill him since he's a suicidal wreckHow is that remotely Sephiroth.
>>743736156No he’s just fruity
>>743735705And the job/class systems.
>non battle music starts playing in a battlekino
>Got the game for "Free" in a humble Bundle 1 or 2 months ago.>Octopath 1 was so terrible I haven't even considering installing 2.How about you kill yourself.
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>>743727262Exceptional bait, we don't get your kind around here much anymore
Octopath 2 is pretty fucking good.
>>743728095counterpoint: you're wrong and your opinion sucksyou're also a big poopyhead and all Octopaths are garbage with shit-tier worldbuilding/writing/systems
>>743738964Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.0/10
>>743735620I have been fucking obsessed with the transition themes of OT0 for the past few months. It's such a simple idea but god damn, does it work.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q14CqfdszT4Rating the themes:MoF > BoW > BoA > BoP > GAP > MoW > MoP > BoF > GAP > MoA
Pardis FUCKS
>>743738895>not oneshotting the manticore on turn 1Dude.
>>743723785They're the watered down, accessible take on SaGa as that series currently filters out anyone not into very autistic attempts at virtual board games.
>>743739775SaGa games are barely autistic at all, mechanically not even better than Pokemon combatLearning skills by repeatedly using other skills is absolutely unintuitive
>>743739839Pokemon wouldn't even exist without SaGa in the first place, the difference in of system depth between the two is not in Pokemon's favor either>Learning skills by repeatedly using other skills is absolutely unintuitiveGuess real life is absolutely unintuitive considering that's how everyone learns shit
>>743740259>Pokemon wouldn't even exist without SaGa in the first placenot really, why would they>the difference in of system depth between the two is not in Pokemon's favor eitherPress X to Doubt without evidence.Saga games don't have a deep TB combat as deep as Pokemon.>Guess real life is absolutely unintuitive considering that's how everyone learns shitThere is a reason people avoid learning things out of frustration. Society eventually makes it better to learn things, unlike Saga which keeps their system stagnant even with numerous installments
>>743740410Because outside of the core system being quite literally ripped off SaGa 1 and 2's Monster race, Tajiri reportedly said Pokemon wouldn't exist if he didn't play those games.>Saga games don't have a deep TB combat as deep as Pokemon.How do you know since you clearly don't play them? Saying SaGa of all things keeps their systems stagnant and the propping up Pokemon which actually barely evolved in three decades is the telltale sign of poor trolling
>>743723785OT2 > OT1 > OT0If taking QoL into account:OT2 > OT0 > OT1
>>743740715>How do you know since you clearly don't play them? Saying SaGa of all things keeps their systems stagnant and the propping up Pokemon which actually barely evolved in three decades is the telltale sign of poor trollingPokemon barely evolved? And you call me the trolling one?Saga games did jack shit to its battle system. You really think just changing turn mechanics instead of adding more variations of interactions and effects in combat (which Pokemon did) would change anything?
>>743740715Also it's not SaGa that he was inspired withFinal Fantasy Legend is Saga predecessor but it doesn't have that "keep spamming x to learn y"It has Fire Emblem style RNG growths
>>743741006>Pokemon barely evolved?Indeed.>Saga games did jack shit to its battle system.Please go on and explain in detail how SaGa 1's battle system is the same as SaGa Frontier 2's, Unlimited or Emerald Beyond.>Final Fantasy Legend is Saga predecessorFinal Fantasy Legend is LITERALLY the first SaGa game, the series was rebranded for the west you absolute buffoon, thanks for confirming that the battle system actually did change by the way, unlike Pokemon which is still stuck in the same format as Pokemon Red/Blue
>>743723785octopath traveler is one of the most average jrpg series out there, everything it does is just so middling, I wouldn't go so far as to call it AI generated but it just feels so uninspired. you can definitely see this with the music and art design
>>743741063And no, SaGa 1 doesn't have Fire Emblem RNG growth either, stats grow according to what commands you use, which again you'd know if you actually played the game since it's what FF2 already did before SaGa and SaGa's a direct offshoot of the first two FF games
>>743741323> thanks for confirming that the battle system actually did change by the way, unlike Pokemon which is still stuck in the same format as Pokemon Red/BlueDidn't address my complete point. Changing your battle system into something that barely adds any depth means nothing and there is nothing "autistic" about it.
>>743741404You are stupid, I said Final Fantasy Legend, not Saga, which clearly has that mechanic.That is the thing Tajiri was inspired by, not your shitty franchiseLearn about how FF Legend works first before talking shit
>>743729650anon we're comparing it to the first game here. Osvald, Castti, Temenos, Ochette, and Throne are all way more interesting than their OT1 versions. Partitio and Hikari are comparable, and ONLY Agnea comes up short against Primrose.
>>743736339>only good thing about Thrones story was her JP voice actor screaming her lungs out after realizing the truthftfy
Cont.>>743741063It's not exactly FE growths since there is no level up thoughever
>>743735902People hyped up Throne? the only thing i remember from Octopath 2 threads was people talking about Ochette, Castti, and HAAAAARVEY
>>743736339The man who was cucked to death
>>743738681>literally everyone "hey man, skip the first game, it's really lacking, just play the second one, it's way better">anon "HURRRR, i'm gonna start with the first one and if it's shit i'm gonna not bother with the good one despite literally everyone telling me i'd feel this way about the first one"retard.
>>743723785Was gonna pirate this series and Live a Live. Are they any good?
>>743738737not exactly gem, just a more polished coal imo
>>743741580>Partitio>comparable>to TressaAll Tressa has going for her is jerkoff material for hebefags and Runelord Tressa.
>>743741813Octopath has a decent battle system but the rest of the game is awful.
>>743741849exactly, neither Partitio nor Tressa are particularly good or interesting, therefore they're comparable.
>>743723785I didn't even get all the characters before I quit the first game. What a shit show
So now that the dust has settled, who had the best character theme?
>>743741875the battle system is too repetitive, saying this as a fan of turn based combat
>>743741491>Changing your battle system into something that barely adds any depthWhy do you still insist on talking about games you've already proven to know nothing about?GB SaGa's battle system is completely different from following games, and the series routinely adds, polishes and reinvents mechanics with each and every game, sparking wasn't even a thing until the fifth game in the series and it has literally received changes in each and every game since Romancing SaGa 2 to the point the current sparking system works in an almost completely different way.>I said Final Fantasy Legend, not Saga, which clearly has that mechanic.No it doesn't, stat growth isn't fucking random and it's determined by what action you take during fights, monsters don't even gain stats and their stats are static are entirely dependant on their monster form, humans gain stats through manual allocation etc.Take your meds and stop shitposting, you've already been exposed as a total fraud who doesn't play games.
>>743741813OT1 is a betaOT2 is the currently best iteration of "Octopath"OT0 is effectively a repurposed version of the gacha and follows a more generic JRPG setupLive A Live is a remake of the SNES game. It's short with schizophrenic genres (on purpose) before the final chapter and the battle system is an exercise in tedium which is thankfully why you can clear the game at an average of lvl7.
>>743741580Primrose alone is more interesting than all of OT2 charactersIn OT2 Partitio and Temenos are quirky characters, which make them pretty interesting but as always Asano drops the ballThe rest are comparable to OT1 characters, cliched stereotypes
>>743741943Partitio > Hikari = Osvald > Castti >> Agnea > Ochette >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temenos > Throne
>>743742048Primrose is a good character, but i don't see how she's more interesting than Osvald or Castti.
>>743741959>Take your meds and stop shitposting, you've already been exposed as a total fraud who doesn't play games.I don't care if I make several mistakes in my claim, my point hasn't been unproven by any of your argument.Saga games aren't deeper combat-wise than Pokemon.And Tajiri is inspired by FF Legend, which is your series predecessor
>>743741943Get the jerky anon, we're going on an adventurehttps://youtu.be/j2QWWfXBSOQ?si=ew2J_-AaAls6nrWt
>>743741978What do you mean with Live a Live having schizophrenic genres?
>>743742191>I don't care if I make several mistakes in my claimSo you admit you're literally shitposting.And yeah SaGa games are deeper than Pokemon, which admittedly isn't a high bar, and since you're also clearly illiterate I'll highlight it again for you: FFL is the first SaGa game rebranded for the west, SaGa's predecessors are FF1 and FF2.Now take your meds and fuck off.
>>743742390Each chapter before the final one has its own protagonist and the genre for the chapter varies:Cube's story is more of a sci-fi horror, Sundown's is a wild west shootout, ninja can have a pacifist run or an all-murder run or anything in between, Oersted's is fairly generic fantasy all in iambic pentameter, caveman is pretty much standard JRPG, brawler guy is pseudo street fighter, etc.
https://youtu.be/dEqQm5DTsW4?si=8manuQwlmks7T_rt
>>743742547>And yeah SaGa games are deeper than Pokemon, which admittedly isn't a high bar,Still no proven point, like I said changing battle systems does jack shit to making it deeper at all>FFL is the first SaGa game rebranded for the west, SaGa's predecessors are FF1 and FF2.Still not a SaGa game. Nonetheless I concede this point since it's going nowhere, and no it doesn't prove that Pokemon needs your franchise to existTake a chill pill.
>>743723785No idea because I'm not playing HD-2D slop
>>743742390All the chapters work on a unique structure and theme.Cube's chapter is kind of a 2001 Space Odyssey inspired survival horror adventure with pretty much no fights, Akira's a more standard mini JRPG adventure with a mind reading gimmick, Pogo's gimmick is that it's a caveman story where nobody talks because speech wasn't a thing yet, Oboro's chapter is a nonlinear Jidai Geki scenario with focus on progression and choosing either a stealthy no kill approach or a full on slaughter of every NPC you can find and of course anything inbetween, Masaru's chapter is basically turn based Street Fighter 2 etc.All chapters are parodies of pop culture media with specific gimmicks which converge in a somewhat overarching story which is about Oersted.
>>743729850>>743738831>old good. new bad.I am a zoomer, but I grew up with DS jrpgs like dragon quest.
>>743726534I accidentally downloaded Octopath Traveler 0 instead of 2. Played for a couple hours and while it's got it's good points it's a bit dull. Should I download two instead or keep going with zero?
>>743730773OT0 was based off the gacha game that I believe existed before OT2
>>743743145If you truly love JRPGs, just complete it anyway and tell us how you feel about it. The good and the bad.Even more especially if you already bought it
>>743734806OT2 really doesn't improve anything despite what the fanboys say. It's still the same barebones game. You have 8 disconnceted stories, but now some of the characters have these little side chapters that pretend they develop the characters but they are so bland and boring and short they don't really build anything. >>743743145OT0 has so much more content and gamplay than OT2 that it's ahrd to go to OT2 after it. OT0 is the first proper game in the series.
>>743743145Get 2 since 0's more or less a standard JRPG (because the gacha's story arcs and pacing enforce that) with an Octopath skin.2 and 1 are the real Octopath games since they actually follow the series gimmick.
>>743743221It did and continued beyond OT2's release. Hell, it's still going on even after OT0 dropped.
>>743743331Having a poorly structured story with non developed character is hardly a gimmick. The shit you read on /v/ lmao
>>743742706>"Not a SaGa game!11!!!" when the entire world including Tajiri says it isPokemon doesn't even have something as basic as positioning after 30 years, that's how simplistic and stagnant it is as a franchise, without SaGa it wouldn't exist at all because Tajiri literally stole the core mechanics directly from SaGa 1/2 and the series did not evolve one bit from Pokemon Red/Blue while SaGa's monsters actually work differently in every sub series they're featured in.This is going nowhere because you have no idea of what you're talking about and you're a butthurt Poketard who's literally denying reality over and over on top of lying out of your ass to farm for outrage.
>>743743397That's just how Octopath is. 0 does away with that for a story "centered" on a mute MC where the side characters end up being the main characters for most of the story arcs and your MC's just "there" and tagging along for most of it instead.
>>743743425I already said I'm pivoting from that argument and conceded that you are right>Didn't actually bother to talk about the turn based combat depth>you're a butthurt Poketard who's literally denying reality over and over on top of lying out of your ass to farm for outrage.You are the one who is farming outrage to begin with in the first place evident by this >>743739775
>>743743565That's not even me you're quoting there absolute retard.And yes, that anon is right as well, OT is also directly inspired by SaGa which is also why the mobage has a SaGa collaboration campaign and the RS2 remake was explicitly changed to cater to Octopath fans by using the same combat model.SaGa has way more depth than Pokemon will ever have, and it's pointless to talk about it with someone who not only didn't play the games but lies about them, I can make indepth mechanical analysis about both old and contempary entries for both series but it will all be lost on the likes of you.
>>743723785Doesn't hold a candle to games like Alundra, Dark Cloud, and Lunar.
>>743744001> it's pointless to talk about it with someone who not only didn't play the games but lies about them, I can make indepth mechanical analysis about both old and contempary entries for both series but it will all be lost on the likes of you.showing off your unfounded superiority complex, huh?as expected from a sagafag desu.
>>743744148>Lying retard who shitposts about games he never played accuses others of having an unfounded superiority complexEvery post is a confession with you, uh?By all means do attack me, you already lost your fight with reality multiple times, if you want to keep showing how much of a clown you are I welcome it.After all you haven't made a single actual argument to show how Pokemon is so much deeper than a series you haven't even played.
>>743723785It's everything about JRPGs but processed and repackaged in a way that you don't have to think too hard about it. The game leads you by the hand down a laundry list of things to do and never fully gives you agency, despite the alleged appeal of the game being the fact that you have 8 heroes with different abilities and it should be up to you how to use them to proceed.Basically it's a classic JRPG, right down to the perversion of the pixel aesthetic, that has been contorted and mutated into a modern movie-game, so redditors can play something one-handed while they doomscroll/updoot with the other, and feel like they are le retro ebin gamers just like they pretend to be online, even though FF6 was too hard for them to finish.
>>743743485>and your MC's just "there"I mean you're playing as the ringbearer and the entire story is around getting magic rings. The MC is there for a purpose and actually interacts with the story and the characters even if it's done as a silent protagonist. And the CotC "side characters" (as if they aren't central to the crux of the story either) have more development and interactions than the characters in OT1 and OT2. OT0 is just what would have happened if OT1 and OT2 were allowed time to actually develop and weren't just rush out of the door by SE before they could even come up with a proper name (and their stupid naming hurt Adventure of Elliot, too, since half the conversation of that game is how dumb the name is I wish they'd properly name their games).
>>743744368I already told you / or that other sagafag that changing battle systems and not adding actually unique interactions/ effects isn't going to make your system deeper to what Pokemon already has.And now if you are going to keep insulting me for past mistakes that I admitted without actually offering a rebuttal about my point, then so be it. I'm not the one who keeps trying to act like the bigger person here.
>>743744030Will never touch anything ruined by Working Designs. Actual fan fiction and the people that defend them or have nostalgia for their works are dumb.
>>743744459>Basically it's a classic JRPG that has been contorted and mutated into a modern movie-gameThis. It's all the trappings of a JRPG without any of the actual effort required to explore or immerse yourself. It's a guided tour of a JRPG with way too much dialogue, and it feels incredibly insulting if you're not a retard.
>>743741943Tressa > Agnea > Partitio > Castii > Cyrus Ochette > Olberic > Alfyn > Primrose H'aanit > Throne > Hikari > Temenos > Therion > Oswald
>>743744605Working Designs objectively improved Lunar. The original was bland as fuck and so painfully easy that there was basically nothing keeping you engaged except for the pretty moving colors on the screen. The WD localization made the dialogue funnier and more rewarding, and the combat harder and more engaging so that you don't fall into a coma while playing. Lunar was a turd of a game that WD at least mutated into an amusing turd.
>>743744560But SaGa added plenty of unique interactions and effects throughout the series, which again, you'd know if you actually played them.Mikiri are perhaps one of the most famous examples of those, especially since the mechanic itself was also used extensively in some iconic boss fights like Berva in SaGa Frontier.Sparking had tons of reworks through the series' history with many interesting submechanics like RS3's Inner Eye Random Arrow being only learnable if a character is temporarily blinded, DSC being a secret tech that is only available if you learn and equip a series of wrestling techs that form the combination and various other mainstay like weapon specific techs, weapons that are basically Bloodborne's Trick Weapons and can be morphed into different weapon classes by using their built in techs and so on.The channeling system that SF2 introduced is another example of unique interactions where you must have access to an element source to cast spells and the terrain you fight in influences that, as in if you fight in a snowy landscape you have innate access to water element due to all the snow.RS2 predated Pokemon's idea of changing weather by having field attributes you can dinamically shift by using spells, with a much more indepth system as Pokemon has a rudimentary deterministic on and off system while SaGa's field attributes change according to an internal chart where each elemental move has a specific chance to influence the field.SaGa is THE japanese series that has an overly autistic focus on unique effects and interactions, which is also why again, Tajiri was one of the people inspired by it, and why OT is pretty much that minus the autism so normalfags can enjoy a severely watered down version.
Can't wait until all boomer uncs kick the bucket and we can finally like jrpgs besides xenogears and ff7.
>>743745331If you can keep going on (more interesting things about Saga) then go on.I played (not finished) SaGa Frontier, the RS2 remake, but even just comparing it to the beginning parts of Pokemon games have already fascinated me compared to them.>Sparking had tons of reworks through the series' history with many interesting submechanics like RS3's Inner Eye Random Arrow being only learnable if a character is temporarily blinded, Well I'm talking about the combat effects here.That one particular part of Sparking sounds cool I guess>similar to Bloodborne's Trick WeaponsWell the closest thing in Pokemon to it is the Protean ability and Aegislash's Stance Change abilityAs for mons:Weather-specific move interaction like 100% accuracy thunder, Weather ball (changes element based on weather), Solarbeam (insta-charge on Sun), terrain-specific moves (Rising Voltage doubles power in Electric Terrain)Pokemon has things like FEAR, toxic stalling, U-turn, entry hazards..Buffs are a broken mainstay element in JRPGs but Pokemon gives you all kinds of things to counter those with Haze, Roar, Impostor Ditto which lets you immediately copy the opposing roided monster to revenge kill it.. Trick Room, reversing the whole turn order. Gyro Ball, dealling more damage the slower your mon are.Priority moves. This one is especially available since the first generation.Baton Passing your buffs to other Pokemon.Stored Power = deal more damage depending on your current amount of buffs. Also apply to defensive buffs.Curse = sacrificing your half HP to inflict incurable poison to target. When used by Ghost types turn into a buffing move instead.There is many more that I can't fit here.Sure GameFreak turns a blind eye in terms of integrating them well to the main games but that's another topic since we are talking about the depth of the combat, not the campaign quality / level design..
>>743723785FFIV through X + Tactics + Dimensions are the mandatory ones.I, II, III and XII are a nice bonus.X-2 if you really enjoyed ATB and tolerate cheesy.XV if you want roadtrip and braindead fun/vibes.XVI if you want something of a different genre and cool cinematics.Dissidia 012 if you want cool fanserviceSkip Bravely Default, it's trash, Asano can't even make a better game than Final Fantasy II as showed in 4 Heroes of Light and the whole Bravely series.
>>743726534holy fucking shit taste. you disgust me
>>743746464>Dimensions good>BD and 4HoL bad
>>743746335context to those mechanics does matter. when calyrex, urshifu, koraidon, etc are allowed in the current regulation all those unique interactions don't matter when compared to that high firepower.
>>743746803Your favorite jrpg? Xenogears. Favorite final fantasy? 7 of course. Oh.. and your favorite fire emblem? Definitely path of radience.
>Accessible>CheapThat's it. It's the fast food of JRPGs, non-committal and without any substance to speak of.
>>743747606Terranigma, FF6, and Conquest.
>>743747606wrong wrong and wrong
>>743746335I don't really understand why you think those things are somehow noteworthy when SaGa was already doing them before Pokemon was already a thing.Turn stalling can be enabled in many old SaGa games in a variety of ways like Mist Veil locks in RS2 or Overdrive loops in Frontier, buffs include anything from raw stats to creating magic weapons if you have free equipment slots, creating a shadow clone that mirrors everything you do etc.Turn manipulation has been a thing ever since the SNES games where command priority became a mainstay, so you have specific techs that either speed up or slow down your actions in the queue, SSG and EB are all about indepth turn manipulation as well.There's multiple universal mechanics like Gyro Ball, martial arts being the most compelling case where different martial arts run off different stats depending on what they are, RS1/2/3 strikes mostly run off SPD while throws run off STR and get even stronger the heavier the target is although the check for the throw also gets harder to pass, Unlimited completely changes your martial art moveset depending on the manipulation of the weight of the user, resulting in three different styles that focus on different niches.There's many techs with special effects, Still Blade for instance makes the character act last in a round but also increasingly buffs the damage output if the character gets damaged before pulling it off, there's techs that damage specific enemy races and in some games can even instantly kill them.There's spells like Starlight in Minstrel Song that creates up to five stacks of a magic shield that can parry attacks for you, and a follow up spell called Sunbeam that fires off the star bits created by Starlight and gets stronger depending on the number of stacks, or Wraith Form in RS2 which saps your life points to turn you into a ghost and makes you unable to do anything but spellcasting in exchange for becoming immune to most attributes, I could go on and on
>>743746464>Dimensions
Hand it over
>>743750003I'm going to stretch Yuno
>>743747606>esl>xitter filenameGo back.
>>743750304Take it, daddy.
>>743747680>cheapThey charged 60 for both games at launch
>>743723785>Why does Reddit love Octopath Traveler 2?Why don't you go back there and ask them? While you're there, stay there, and fuck off from here forever.
>>743751617>hires prostitutes [/spoiler]to fight enemies
>>743751868Okay holy fuck I don't know how to spoiler.Was there ever any other lore on that brothel girl that was a former queen of a kingdom? Interesting NPC.
>>743752063Just highlight the text you want to spoiler and ctrl+S.
>>743723785Because it fucking sucks
>>743746464FFXII is the worst game Square has ever made
>>743752860Kwab
>>743752063you just highlight the part of a post you want to spoiler, then press ctrl + s>b-b-but I'm on my phoneyuck
It's a really good game that is exceptional in almost every category.
>>743735620I loved that octo2 had day/night themesIt's a shame octo 0 didn't do the samehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2_yBMoI2-s
>>743755014I like it in theory, but the way it mixed up your path actions in OT2 was actually kind of bad in practice. It was a layer that I thought made things more tedious than it did anything else.
>>743726534>Game where exp doesn't matter nearly as much as money and money is either fucking dogshit impossible to make, or incredibly easy and by this point it's pointless.I'm not built for such a free-form RPG. I need a teeny tiny bit of structure. Otherwise...>Start as thief>Thief sucks>Until her story is clear, she's party mandate>Wasted slot mandated.WHOO. Good thing Samurai Guy and Beast Bitch are fairly broken and MY MAN PARTITIO is also here.>Still relying on dice roll battles and fringe case actions to scrape by early.It's not great. Easily the second worst start to a JRPG I've personally played.>The first being SaGa Frontier.
>>743723785I played the first one and it was pretty bad, if someone played any jrpgs beforehand I could see how they'd like it but its so formulaic it becomes monotonous really fast. I refuse to play the sequel because I'm sure its more of the same.
>>743755215Did you start up with Lute or something?
>>743742306https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19_BcZkjdL8
>>743729498>money, exp, and jp are thus much easier and faster to getHe lied, grinning madly in the glow of his monitor.>GO GAMBLING FOR FUCKING JEW CAITS (with OY VEY music if encountered) AND OCTOPOT TRAVELERS>Sub 2% encounter rate with encounter boost items and rare monster battle passiveIt's shit
>>743755131I forgot about that, you're rightI just really liked hearing day/night themeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeDA_EE-ZY
>>743730739>Tactics Ogre and FFT are both guilty for encouraging being a faggot and drawing out fights to level up, foolish character building and grinding. They aren't strategy gamesAll RPG games are grinders. Some are more blatant than others. FFT though? Even kid me found that out.>Early fight.>Beat enemy to an inch of their life.>They run to a corner and kneel.>Spend 900 turns using Focus.>???>LOADS OF JPKek. Easy grinding.
>>743755131Nah. It was worth it for the atmosphere.
>>743755343Referring to OT2. Thro-nay is a shit start imo.
>>743755946No
>>743756919It doesn't take that long to walk across a town. Changing from day to night takes like 2 seconds. You also have a minimap showing your objective.
>>743752149Stop spoon feeding newfags
>>743728505No that’s gay>>743729298Yes please >>743729328Not a furryDoes Octopath have hot girls?
>>743760363>Does Octopath have hot girls?Throne's prolly the hottest, then there's Primrose, Castii, Agnea. Yeah OT games have some nice babes.
>>743761120It sucks so bad that there is barely any art of the girls, I’m pretty sure Tatloch has next to nothing in art
>>743761120I was surprised by this dialogue.
>>743761924The Japanese version is hornier than the English localization
>>743761924So you're a larper who never played the first game? Octopath has always been a bit edgy.
>>743761120Who's tits are bigger? Throné or Primrose? Did Square ever release any official measurements for the girls?
>>743764776Calm down buddy. I played the games backward.
>>743764776>Octopath has always been a bit edgyOT0 takes it a bit too far. I don't need every other story to involve somebody getting raped or sold off to a whorehouse.
>>743726534>triangle strategyI don't even know if I can call Triangle Strategy a good gameI played it, I beat it twice for a blind playthrough and golden ending and all I can really say is it happened, and that the number artillery robot is fucking brokenI'm playing Final Fantasy Tactics on the PS1 as we speak and I already have a higher opinion of that than triangle strategy, but I suppose it isn't like these games have too much difference between them in the end as opposed to something like Fire Emblem which unfortunately appeals to my sensibilities a lot more
>>743766101I unfortunately have to specify I haven't played any new fire emblem games past shadows of valencia on the 3DS, too
Why do Pokemon fans think it's super deep? Is it because it's the only jrpg they play?
>>743752914Haven't you been keeping up with the /v/ zeitgeist? XII is good, The Zodiac Age is for casuls
>>743766101>t. picked Normal mode
>>743766768I don't think having to turtle up more often and let the HP sponge enemies have more swing of the field always than me would have made it more fun, anon
>>743757147But then the people that were at one spot aren't there any more and now you have new people there at these spots that need different paths. I guess the feedback to the player isn't very good. I like the idea of a night and day cycles though, just don't like splitting them actions up like that and the constant musical chair rotation of my party members to use the right action (could have been mitigated by letter you have all 8 characters at a time like the name implies so you always have the path action, just might not be the right time of day)
>>743741949The fact that you basically figure out the optimal sequence on the first fight every fight is really really really boring yeah
>>743765050You’ll have to wait until throne gets a figure in 20 years
>>743768824Why would it be 20 years? This franchise has only been around for 8 years.
>>743727262>fe3hnot a jrpg
I haven't played 0 yet. Is it as good as 2?
>>743727262Holy zoom zoom kek
>>743747606See >>743770297Unc.
>>743770713What's the game middle left?
>>743770775Idk. Some gay boomershit people only like because it was made in 2006 and have fond memories of playing it while they were in high school.
>>743770775The Maiden Rape Assault - Violent Semen Inferno
>>743770775dork souls
>>743771568Huh. No wonder I didn't recognize it, it's the most dogshit DS1 cover.
Ochette is Osvald's wife.
>>743773242No that’s Castti. When he gets drunk he imagines that Castti is his wife and Agnea is his daughter
>>743773925Castti is for Partitio, Agnea for Hikari, and Throne for Temenos. That leaves Ochette for Osvald.
>>743774002You forgot that fat fuck Pom from the Terra chapter
>>743774095>you forgot PomSo did Ochette.
Shipping is gay.
>tfw the first letter of each characters' name spells OCTOPATH>tfw the first letter of every villain's name in Octopath 2 spells out OCTOPATH which is how we know Osvald is the first O and Ochette is the second O since Osvald's villain is Harvey and Ochette's is Petrichor
>>743774445It’s even worse for Octopath since there’s a lot of homo shipping
>>743774502No Ochette is the first O, that’s how it is in game
>>743773242No that’s Partitio, I’ve seen the pictures
MAKING TWENTY BABIES WITH AGNEA
>>743775234She’s 18 you sick fuck
>Agnea:Lovey-dovey hand holding and kissing in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation >Castti:Drunken one night stand where she rides you in the cowgirl/reverse cowgirl position until you both pass out>Ochette:Rough and wild nude wrestling with light nibbling and scratching and then doggy style until you are completely exhausted >Throné:Will let you use any hole in any position including paizuri but will have a cold emotionless expression the entire time
>>743776246Throne seems like a sweet girl deep down who wants affection, but everyone she loves keeps dying.
>>743773242No, Ochette is my wife
>>743775234Don't you have a kingdom to run, pal?
>>743723785I genuinely don't know how people can tolerate or even call games like this 'masterpiece'. The dialogues are utterly cringe, the gameplay is absolutely awful. What's funny is the same people who gargle the balls of such games are the first to shit on E33, Dispatch, etc...
>>743776885Not my ochette.
>>743777173Just say you hate anime and japan and suck westoid cock, gay nigger.
