Braid AE is proof this guy is a jabroni, because nobody has super secret nostalgia for such a mid game. Braid can't exist in a world where actual good indies come out.

Meanwhile if SMB1 got a rerelease on Steam, it'd brutally mog it.

>>743732080
... isnt the looker just a shitpost parody game thats making fun of the witness?
whats wrong with that, exactly?

>>743732174
It's funny because he obviously expected to sell half a million or maybe even a whole million copies based on name recognition alone. He will deny this but he's autistic and pretty bad at lying.

>>743732080
Forget all dat garbage yadi yada blabla about Braid.. Im more appalled that the TRASH soulja boy song even got popular in the first place all those damn years ago.
Absolute brainless ape monkey shit music. *spit*

This is what happens when you fall for the enginedev meme (and the languagedev meme too somehow)

>>743732080
well not everybody can be tobyfox, a millonaire living on japan banging a cutie while billions of fags spends $20s.

>>743732372
>banging a cutie

Trans status?

>>743732174
For some reason he has lodged in his head the idea that Braid is a world-famous masterpiece. It would be concerning if it wasn't so funny

>>743732415
It literally came out when XBLA and Steam were hard walled gardens (I don't even think Xbox Indies was a thing yet), when the alternative games to buy were shit like Darwinia.

>>743732174
this, it only got "popular" (and even that manufactured) because it was the beginning of the indie scene

>>743732080
i already bought it, demo was great

>>743732293
>*action*
Holy fucking shit go back to whatever zoomgroid shithole you crawled out of

>>743732372
I don't care about that game or his fans, but In japan he get's called a wannabe japaniphile. Even the "japanese inspired!" Chapter felt like cringey pandering in the gaming and art spheres I post in and follow. His biggest claim to "fame" is that sakurai likes him, but that man likes all sort of things and people. He's one of the few japanese devs to give proper credit and respect to itagaki despite him being considered a "anti japanese" dev which pariahs you there. In his case it was for backing and prefering the xbox and disliking sony before everyone did.

T.half nip, and don't care about undertale or most indie games really. I just know the braid one because he paid for jap translation as if somewhere there would care for it.

Despite being one of the earliest indie darlings, I cannot think of a less influential game than Braid.

>>743732313
both of those things are good.
The dumb part was jblow not doing Jai and sokoban part time while he just dealt with C++ but actually shipped games that could pay his employees.

>>743732080
>>went 30 millions dollars in debt and took ten years to develop a custom coding language and game engine just to remake puzzlescript sokobans
>>when other devs are now using AI to code for free in 2 weeks
Blow is exceptionally based, yes

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>>743732080
>>went 30 millions dollars in debt
That's peanuts though? Nobody's should kill themselves over $30 million when the governments of the world print 1,000x that daily out of thin air.

>went 30 millions dollars in debt and took ten years to develop a custom coding language and game engine just to remake puzzlescript sokobans
Remarkable headcanon anon has invented for himself. What is his obsession with Blow? Did he get told off by him on Xitter? A fired ex-employee?

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>>743733221
Yes, but what you described is just inflation.

You can feed, house and clothe a person for a month with 4k a month. Burning 30 million and get nothing out of it is still ridiculous.

>30 millions
Fucking hang ESLs

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>million should still be spelled singular even when there's more than one because uh because it just should ok

>>743733616
proving his point award.
any english speaker could tell you exactly why million should be singular in the OP post.

I remember when people thought phil fish was the worst indie dev cunt to exist now he's hardly even that bad compared to a lot of these guys now

>>743732080
there ain't no point to the game manye>>743732080

>>743733475
You think giving everyone a free 4000 a month won't be bad for inflation or thr economy? Why?

>>743733664
"30 Million dollars" is correct
"30 Millions" is correct
If you omit "dollars" and use "million" as the noun, it's ok to pluralize it

>>743733679
If Phil was still relevant he'd probably be worse.

>>743732185
Point is a shitpost parody game had more players than his remake.

>>743733723
gatekeep the third worlder, moron.

>>743733616
>Sally took threes cookies from the cookie jar :)

>>743733705
Presumably you would also enact price controls on essential goods.

>>743733771
>dodges the question
Cute.

>>743733705
Who is advocating for communism?

I'm saying that hiring a group of developers and artists for that amount and actually get them cracking with someone competent at the helm for 2 - 3 years would have made an actual game. Not whatever Braid was.

>>743732585
his post reads like something from 2006 which you'd know if you weren't a fucking zoomer

>>743733780
>His question is irrelevant to the topic of the thread
>Doesn't even belong on this board
Not him btw

>>743733836
>Who is advocating for communism
?
I never mentioned communism.
>an actual game
define an "actual game"

>>743733870
>Dodges the question
cute!

>>743732585
Nta but
*Spits on you llama style*

What now?

>>743733679
atleast jblow has his own (dogshit) opinions and is his own person.
phish was a generic san fran twat who would just echo THE_CURRENT_THING

>>743733771
That's literally how most communist mass starvations started
Does nobody here understand basic economics?

>>743733931
*Gulps it midair*
Now that's a spicy meatball!
*Burps*

>>743733723
No you cannot do that fuck off if you can write the quantity as an actual number you don’t pluralize it. You only make a plural number if it’s a vague amount like
“Millions of copies” because “millions” isn’t a number, 30,000,000 is

>>743732585
*unsheats katana*
*teleports behind you*
heh... nothing personel, pretend oldfag...

>>743732737
>both of those things are good
Lmao, no. Not if you want to ship a finished game in a reasonable amount of time and money. And certainly not if the "finished game" is an uninspired Sokoban clone.

>>743732080
Why is Soulja Boy there?

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>>743732080
What is if about Blow that makes some retards seethe about him for over 2 decades?

>>743732080
Fuckin hubris.
Fucker thought he was the real shit. 30 millions to develop his own engine?
Lol. Terry coded his own shit with nothing but burgers and cans of coke.
Thats the real shit.
If you aint shit just use unity or some shits.

>>743734957
There is a video of him saying Braid is a dumb game where you do things for no reason.

>>743732080
>code for free
Good goy.
It's free goy now buy hundreds of dollars of tokens
hehe

>>743734957
https://youtu.be/xSXofLK5hFQ?si=9bGkI6tQLmsvjkug
He wasn’t wrong

>>743735080
Wasn't the video of him enjoying the game but saying something like "it's like Mario but with time powers", which made the creator sperg put because he was not enjoying it properly?

>>743732479
Amd AAA in pc were in toilet back then. Late 2000s and early 2010s were dismal. Indie games were only bright light existing. That was biggest driver of indie boom.

>>743733616
trains and brick houses are superior tho

>>743735004
jblow committed to the dream while bitter anons took the safe route and became wagies.

>>743733616
My house is made of brick.

>>743732080
>when other devs are now using AI to code for free in 2 weeks
Indian OP?

>>743732585
>zoomgroid
>*action*
What a total retard.

>>743735167
That the video made him seethe is a meme, what did make him sperg out were all the reviews who overpraised him or did not enjoy it as he intended.

>>743733732
But it was a loving parody. Check his GDC conference on it.

>>743735004
He's an eternal beacon of pretentiousness, mostly.

>>743735637
You retard. Braid was only famous because it was the premier Xbox Live Arcade game. It had nothing to do with the state of gaming in the slightest.

>>743732174
It's genuinely insane how this nigga doesn't understand that no one cares about his games like that. I don't even think they're bad per se, but they're EXTREMELY niche and Braid only got famous for being a relatively straightforward platformer that Microsoft actively marketed as part of their indie initiative on the Xbox Live Arcade in 2009.

How pretentious do you have to be to not get the memo that late 2000s/early 2010s style indie game dev shit was not only out of fashion but actively being mocked and derided, especially since everyone else in his gay little clique quit the indie business after that time period as well? He genuinely seems old, out-of-touch and retarded just based on his actions as of late.

>>743733732
It's free though so it doesn't really count

>>743738052
It counts if you are Blow lmaoooooo

>>743738003
>noo you have to stop developing games after 2010 and become a plumber?

>>743732174
this

Braid was one of the first games in a long time that felt mature in an artistic way, rather than "mature" in a sophmoric way. A lot of this boiled down to aesthetics, of course, because the actual everything of Braid is incredibly childish.

Because once you've had other artsy indie games and the mystique has worn off, you realize Braid is going "What is Mario but DEEP?! Makes you think, right?"

The only thing it did is that it signaled to other people that there was an audience for artsy games and experimental games.

>the AIgger is now trying to imitate actual nigger "arguments"

>>743738163
Unironically yes. Jon Blow would've made more and been more at peace if he just quit indie game dev and went into the software world. Not only is there more job security and the problems that he solves are more in line with his skillset and interests (actual software engineering), but the fact that he and other indie devs from that era haven't made anything close to the same splash that they did in 2009 was a sign that the gaming market had changed and that the strategies they used just weren't going to work anymore.

Only a stubborn idiot like Jon or Blowjob givers like you think that making subpar indie games for the price of a AA game in the year of our lord 2026 is a reasonable investment.

>>743738163
No one says "go be a plumber" dipshit.

Fucking Phil Fish is working as a DJ and seems to be having a good time after quitting games.

>>743738163

>>743738340
*for the development cost of an AA game
FTFM

Like >>743738363 said, there's more jobs than being a plumber or being an indie game dev full time. Jon could've had a cool career in software especially if he started in the 2010s. Now, he's kinda fucked since he wasted a solid decade chasing the dragon of an indie hit and spent $30 million on shit that should've cost $100,000 - 200,000 at most and should've been a passion project that took 1 year at the most rather than 10 years of his life.


The dude seems hellbent on becoming the indie darling he once was without realizing that it was mostly Microsoft doing the work and the world he was an indie darling in doesn't exist anymore and hasn't since at least 2016/2017. He's full on delusional and his retarded fans aren't helping matters.

>>743738545
Well, I'm not invested into someone's life. Is The Blow making a Braid remake because, he's bored, and feels like it, or, software corps replaced him with indians, or he's dumb and inertia thinking people care about Braid. Go ask in the discord or twitter.

ask The Blow*

The Witness was amazing

Also Blow was right about competency crisis.

fucking supermanned dat hoe

>>743739936
>Well, I'm not invested into someone's life.
Okay? Nobody asked.

>>743735004
He has an abrasive personality, so the autists that populate /v/ interpret that as a personal insult.

>>743732585
you're clearly retarded. zoomers don't even know where the asterisk is located, what it's called, or what it's used for. they also don't know about ascii art.
they write things like "ahh", "dih", "sybau", and "ong".
*emote* is probably someone born 1970-1990 who never grew up, not a zoomer.
fuck this new captcha system but I'm not paying for this gay ass site.

>>743732080
retarded person like this exists?

>>743735004
>>743740910
AIN'T NO POINT TO THE GAME JON

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>>743734224
Communists do not understand economics, logistics nor how business is ran. any capitalist promoting communism is just grifting retarded idiots anyway.

>>743733885
nta but you said
>giving everyone a free 4000/mo
that's universal basic income, which is commonly associated with communism, which you brought up in the first place.
I can't believe I had to explain this. you're welcome, brown retard.

>>743732174
this.
He made one mediocre indie game and now he thinks he’s some enlightened genius of game design. He’s not even a hasbeen, he’s more of a neverwas

Braid was never even okay.

>>743732174
>actual good indies come out.
Never been one

>>743732080
>debt
lol im just not going to pay, sorry but im just not

>>743741084
>that's universal basic income, which is commonly associated with communism
You think Sweden is communist?

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>>743733616
They do all those things in the mini-germany.

>>743741413
2004

>>743733616
yes its a singular step, if there's two million, that's no longer singular.
>one.
>ten
>hundred
>thousand
>million
>zillion
all "categories" therefore if there's only one of said "category" its "singular." perfectly logical.

>>743738545
>spent $30 million on shit that should've cost $100,000 - 200,000 at most
lol underage tards who know nothing about nothing giving their opinions on everything as always
a single good programmer costs 200k a year, why am I wasting my time replying to 4chinks zoomers...

This guy is so fucking bad it's almost embarrassing.

>>743741643
he could have made the game for 0 $ wokring in his luxious garage surfing on his previous success from 18 year ago.
Now cope more

>>743741643
if a good programmer costs 200k a year, he could've made someone get credits for it for $60k instead of going broke with millions or even hiring an intern and making sure their work goes towards experience and pays half the regular price. holy fuck, these people don't know how to cheese the system.

>>743732585
*spits*

>>743741029
link?

>>743742047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m8R1BjjioU
still no release date
as if anyone gives a shit that it's releasing on ps5

>>743733616
Trains, brick houses and state healthcare are good, HOWEVER.

>>743740781
>says the guy invested into what a rando does for a living but doesn't ask the rando directly
lol, lmao

>>743732174
A lot of the early indies are pretty meh, but yeah Braid is ok and wouldn't really be remembered much if released today. The Witness tho, thats a masterpiece.

>>743732372
I wouldn't be surprised if Toby Fox is gay or asexual

>>743742125
all those are communist, only shekelberg should own train, brick and healtcare, why are you so antisemite ?

>>743742303
general utility purposes that the state owns/protects should be the state's to run and obviously private corporations should be the ones to basically compete for better quality of products to sell to the government. if mass amount of people generally utilize and require it for their livelihood in modern day it should be regulated industry - simple as. otherwise, free markets for whatever: otherwise any form of communism and socialism should go and get fucked off back to the stone age.

>>743742501
>communism and socialism should go and get fucked off back to the stone age.
Yeah we know, jew have been working hard on this for century now

For some reason this out-of-touch retard has some rabid fans, never could figure out why.

>make millions from original indie title on Steam and Xbox
>this re-release version has low player count, oh noes
>let me just compare apples to oranges instead of showing Witness numbers against Looker numbers
irrational haters got their brains Blown out

>>743742125
>state healthcare [is] good

You're fucking stupid and I'm gonna laugh when your state run health care murders you rather than spending the money to treat you.

>>743742808
Because that doesn't happen at private health care centers.... oh wait!

>>743742075
>all the levels are stolen from 30 year old sokobon games
order of the stinking slop

>>743732174
It was probably the first indie game I paid money for, but I mean, when I finished it I never picked it back up.

>>743738003
It's honestly incredible how the only people from that period with any relevance anymore is Edmund and Redigit.
Maybe the secret was making good games instead of crying on social media 24/7.

>>743742808
>>743742979
Hybrid healthcare is the better system btw

>>743742637
Every lolcow has his farmers

>>743743471
What do you mean?

>>743735004
He's very annoying and has a massive ego without the results to warrant it.
He's dangerously close to Phil Fish status, with the major difference being that Phil Fish at least made an actually good game with FEZ and had the decency to fuck off forever after his total meltdown while John keeps piling up platitudes and extremely questionable opinions about everything while posing as a pseudo poète maudit of the vidya industry despite his absolutely laughable output and embarrassing modus operandi.
It's no wonder some people treat him as a lolcow.

>>743733723
>30 millions is correct
What compels ESLs to pretend they know English better than native speakers?

>>743743127
>sokobon games
name sum

>>743732080
https://youtu.be/UPJOgzpAObM

>I don't like japanese games either
>makes a Japanese box moving games

You can't trust these people around children or animals.

>>743733616
We have trains it just isn't for riding anymore it's industry

>>743744626
The Witness is one of the best games of all time.

>>743733616
Why don't you Germans go vacation in Death Valley again?

>>743745382
If you're under 30 and never played a point and click in your life I guess.

>>743735658
It's easy to "commit to the dream" when you have a rich daddy who you ask for millions of dollars from. JBlow is like the e33 dev.

>>743733616
>we don't do that in germany
still waiting for this guy to be refuted btw

>>743745596
What does that have to do with the quality of the game

>>743732080
The Blow, the Myth, the Legend.

Man you gay as hell jblow *free throw gesture 7 times*

>>743744626
I love Fez. I think Braid was a bit overrated but The Witness is amazing. Both of them seem to be insufferable but they make cool stuff. Sometimes assholes make cool stuff

>>743745806
Nobody mentioned the "quality of the game" in this reply string.

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>>743732080
how the fuck did he have 30 million dollars to spend is the main question though

>>743746287
His dad works for the American Dept of Defense.

Steam demo had much more interest than I imagined and he is getting progressively less retarded at describing his game with every trailer, I imagine everyone understands it to be 40-50 dollarinos so there is hope that it would be somewhat profitable.

>>743743370
Humble Bundle used to include it bundles all the time, that's how I got it.

>>743742240
We're just talking about someone anon, don't be a brat.

>>743747158
>40-50 dollarinos
There is no fucking way anyone would seriously consider buying a fucking sokoban game for more than 30 bucks, no matter how good it looks and how many puzzles it has. Even hardcore blow-cultists are not that retarded.

>>743732080
>sokobans
cracks me up that leftsist now hate him since he said that orange man isnt a bad president

braid was a contemporary novelty at best

>>743745596
he started well-off being in san fran, but considering his work ethic, he definitely earned his niche status

>>743735004
he said gook games suck ass
nintodlers will never forgive him since mario and zelda boy is their life

>>743732585
This post was typed by zoomer hands, you will never ever been a millennial.

>>743747434
Obviously a vibe-check but I believe at least demo players saw the scale of the vision and Blow is adamant at not positioning it as an AAA, and I guess 50 looks a lot like 60 so yeah unless the post-GTA 6 world would embrace AAA at 70-80 I will bet on 40

>>743732080
deserved for making that anti-male and subversive, piece of shit, that is braid

>>743735729
If you worked a programming job you would know everyone uses AI save a handful of boomers, and those boomers are only kept around out of pity/thanks for what they did before their brains ossified.

If you don't work a programming job nobody cares about your opinion, everything you know about AI came from a j*urnalist.

>>743732080
braidfag here, one of those legendary ~500 peak players.
braid ae was great, they really did polish the art and the music. the new puzzles range from fine to trash, it’s neat that they’re there but they all deserved to be cut from the proper game. the commentary tracks spoke directly to my autism, i’m crazy about that shit. they included beta iterations of in game puzzles that were cool to see.
also they were fools to charge more than $10, especially for people who have og braid. an unsurprising flop

>>743732174
The best thing to come from Braid is the Solja Boy clip.

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>>743744626
>without the results to warrant it.
>dangerously close to Phil Fish status, with the major difference being that Phil Fish at least made an actually good game
Case in point about Blow Derangement Syndrome. He has made two games, both of which were very successful and Braid was quite foundational to the whole indie scene too.

>>743752250
Jon used to work in AAA studios too doing tidbits, so he's been in the industry a while.

>>743732415
>For some reason he has lodged in his head the idea that Braid is a world-famous masterpiece

He's one of those people who got lucky once and took that as evidence that they're geniuses. Many such cases.
The truth is that only reason Braid was originally a hit was because back then there was no real competition among indie games. They were a rising fad and he happened to be there at the right time with his 5/10 game.

>>743745281
not one single false thing said in that entire panel answer yet weebs still seethe about it
lol

>>743744626
>Phil Fish at least made an actually good game

Let's not say such crazy things. Fez is pure shit.

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>>743732585
*teleports behind you*

>>743752524
>generalizations about Japanese games being some font of over-tutorialization and not having enough "freedom"
>mixes in a bit of "uuuuh I hate all story in all games, hehe isn't it all just so cringe? At least you can skip it in western games" for fun
These have been normalfag complaints that are laughed off by anyone with decent taste and awareness for 20 years.

>>743733723
>ESLs genuinely think this works
Not being EFL is tantamount to severe brain damage

>>743732293
It's funny you're not, simple as.

>>743752769
you play jrpgs

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>>743752250
Nta but Braid was great because it was made at the right moment, if it came out today people would completely ignore it at best or shit on it relentlessly at worst I still think it's one of the best 2d puzzle platformers released to this day
The Witness is one of the games I genuinely hated upon completion because of how bloated it is with absolutely dogshit mechanics that exist purely to annoy you and provide no meaningful challenge. 20% of the game, especially in the beginning, is a masterpiece, 80% is fucking mental retardation. I would have enjoyed it more if it did not overstay it's welcome.
Jon is not some visionary game developer, he was just memed into fame because people are convinced he sounds smart, kinda like Pirate Software, except Jon can actually code allegedly, OotSS ran like shit on my machine

>>743753370
Yes. I play video games.
>BUT DATS A CRINGE GAME
Normalfag.

>>743753370
>jrpgs
>play
lmao

>>743753527
lol how predictable
>normalfag
i play actual niche shit while you're ""playing"" shonen storytime for low iq tasteless weebs
even normies playing cod have more gaming skills than you, what an embarrassment

>>743752769
>I hate all story in all games
Based Blow

>>743735004
>y-you're the one seething
nice try jon

>>743752524
>>743753725
>weebs twice
>seethe
You are new to 4chan and likely between the age of 12-25. Lol.

>>743752769
Most Japanese games are in tutorial mode until the end of the game where they actually start using the mechanics to their fullest extent. Like SMT.

>>743753835
you're in your thirties and still watching chinese cartoons? lol

>>743753910
>new to 4chan
>makes up random hobbies of other people
LOL

>>743753449
Braid feels like someone who has a very vague secondary knowledge of video games trying to make one.
There is no particular reason that your platformer's enemies have to be a head with feet thing that is defeated by jumping on it once. Sonic isn't like that, Crash and Spyro aren't like that. It's a specific Mario thing. Braid doing it too gives the impression that Blow doesn't know shit about platformers and made one because it was the "default" genre of video game in his mind, because Mario is Mr. Video Game.

>>743753910
Shartynigger

>>743753848
>smb1 doesn't even have a story
>smb2 literally couldn't be ported to the West because mechanical exploration was too confusing for westoids
lmao

>>743753725
>you have to be a weeb if you don't write off Japanese games
Anime website.

>>743753848
I agree.
Most games are in this exact boat, or worse, tutorial mode for the whole game. Yes, even western ones. How many games have you played where the campaign actually properly ramped you up to the level of multiplayer?

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>>743732174
Who're you calling a jabroni here?

>>743754009
Correct, but I'm pretty sure it was intentional, so the game was simple and familiar enough to be approachable by a wide spectrum of people, and the actual challenge came not from platformer mechanics, but from time bending ruleset. Also remember, Braid came out in 2008, when games were still braindead easy and any notion of a challenge was met with incoherent screeching, at least until Demon's Souls came out.

>>743732585
/spit

>>743754565
This argument would hold if not for the fact that Braid shares its indie "generation" with Super Meat Boy which does basically the opposite of all that and to this day remains even more popular.

>>743753449
>Braid was great because it was made at the right moment
Braid as it was would not have been made the same way had it been made at another time.

>>743754764
Super Meat Boy came out 2 years later into a very different gaming landscape and is mechanically even simpler than Braid.

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>>743733616
>Why don't you have brick houses, you get millions in damages from hurricanes and tornadoes?
>Why don't you have public transportation, your infrastructure is impossible to navigate without a car?
>Why don't you have gun control, you have high per-capita gun deaths?
>Why don't you have state healthcare, you can go in debt from a health problem?

>>743754009
It requires a certain finesse in game design prowess to think beyond just copy Mario-which I don't think is that bad either, Mario does work fine. Jumping enemies is simple. Though it leads one to wonder. This is why STFU- now that was a cool indie for expanding on the idea of Braid.

>>743754565
>at least until Demon's Souls came out.
zoomlet detected. nobody played this game from "from" as they were then known due to their atrocious ps2 catalogue shovelsoft

>>743732080
It's amazing how he manages to consistently produce haters that are greater faggots than himself.

>>74375480
>>743755081

It's just Super Mario with time rewind mechanics. There's nothing special about either of those things and could've been made at anytime post-2000 or whenever the hardware would allow it. Nothing about the game is special outside of it being a case of the stars aligning for Jon, where he was at the right place at the right time and had the right people promoting his game (Microsoft and their indie label on Xbox).

>>743732080
the "I want to make le vidya" has destroyed many CSfags lives
I have no clue how people keep falling for that rabbithole in 2026

>>743732737
languagedev requires a lot of autistic type theory and similar abstract match knowledge, doing it along enginedev dont work unless you are a terry davis tier genius

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>>743732585
*rapes you*

whatever happened to the handmade hero fag?
it's been a decade now

>>743740937
After like a week or so of posting on the same cookies the captcha becomes significantly easier, but yea its really shit at the start.

>>743756939
also meant for >>743754801


>>743757161
He's basically pulling a Jon Blow and trying to become a tech influencer or some stupid shit like that. You can always tell these people aren't doing anything worthwhile because someone that actually was making a game or any software project in a serious fashion wouldn't be bothering with the pedantic nonsense about languages they do.

>>743757027
cs itself is the rabbithole.

>>743753815
>niggaz really think trying to force a meme for a decade straight doesn't look seething

>>743732080
>check 4chan
>they hate him
>check reddit
>they hate him
what did this guy do to deserve all this hate?

>>743757096
imagine if Terry A Davis was an 18 year old and found AI bots and made the most schizo bots ever.

>>743757510
Made an artsy game that oozed a complete lack of knowledge of games. And then released a video of himself sobbing in a dark room about it being popular with people who didn't "get it".

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so what is the point of this fag's programming language again? what does it do that cpp doesn't?

>>743757823
Actually being good, for one.

>>743757823
Doesn't have 40 years of baggage, at least.

>>743757872
should've shilled the language itself with a release of the engine as a tool for others to utilize in a game-dev kit like RPG-Maker and made more money that way back.

>>743754009
Braid is making a commentary on the mentality in video games of “I did the work so I get the princess” it’s aping Mario for thematic reasons

>>743757872
how so?

>>743751025
this.
The highlight of Jon Blow’s career is being made fun of by a rapper

>>743733221
>1 cube = 100 million
>8 cubes = 1 billion !!
is this how they do math in the third world?

>>743757992
>the mentality in video games of “I did the work so I get the princess”
name one thing wrong with this

>>743757823
Nothing really.

>>743757872
>>743757962
How about using the components of the language that you need?

Every programmer that says something stupid like this is the type of retard that tries to learn a language as if it's a job instead of using what he needs for a project and understanding it.

These are the people that don't actually make anything of worth and just make tech demos at best. No one is telling you to use all of C++'s toolset. Just use what you need to do a task and do it well.

>>743758134
It denies women their agency, sometimes despite doing all the right things you won’t get a girlfriend and that’s ok

>>743758082
There are 10 cubes

>>743758215
>It denies women their agency
so?

>>743758134
The post youre quoting sounds third worlder and thats about it

>>743758072
Metaprogramming, for one, which is something C++ absolutely sucks at.
>>743758149
Have fun with CMake and template metaprogramming, retard.
>These are the people that don't actually make anything of worth
You have never worked as a programmer in the gaming industry professionally or you'd know to drop the "uhh if professionals use it it is good" attitude real quick.
>>743758215
Women should not have agency.

>>743758134
Doing any work before you get the princess is konghouse shit.

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>>743758082
perspective, dumbass

>>743758149
mfw fell for the meme and make my own language

the looker aint even out yet diddy blud
>>743732174
nostalgia has to be super secret? wtf you even mean retard

>>743756530
I bought a PS3 just for DeS tho. You had to be there.

>>743742075
wow, he talks so politely when he has to sell you something ...

>>743732737
If you ever listen to him speak on the subject, he comes off as incredibly resentful of having to pay his employees, whom he constantly accuses of underperforming. He frankly sounds like a shit employer.

>>743758390
>You have never worked as a programmer in the gaming industry professionally or you'd know to drop the "uhh if professionals use it it is good" attitude real quick.

Why would I want to be a professional game dev? They're the retards of the software development world that couldn't even make it in any place reasonably worthwhile, hence why they get paid less and are basically contract workers. It's also why games are so poorly optimized and have systems implemented so poorly nowadays as well.

>>743759037
>Why would I want to be a professional game dev?
I accept your concession.

>>743759037
>They're the retards of the software development world that couldn't even make it in any place reasonably worthwhile, hence why they get paid less and are basically contract workers. It's also why games are so poorly optimized and have systems implemented so poorly nowadays as well.
Do you mean as opposed to the rest of the industry that can't get 50 words and a 512x512 image rendering on a screen at 60fps?

>>743759092
I didn't concede anything. Gamedev is codemonkey central and full of absolute retards that can barely program in the first place or even do basic ass research via Google to fix their problems. It's not C++'s problem nor that of its build system that these people are idiots (you included).

>>743757872
The only thing that matters for the end user is the performance and OotSS demo was running like absolute shit.

>>743732174
Super Mario Bros 1 is not on Steam???

>>743759263
If the rest of the industry is bad, then game dev is the 9th circle of hell. Where else do you see devs actively bloat the shit out of their product to the point that most of their userbase can't use it on the average mid-range hardware most consumers have and then not care about it in the slightest? Even webdevs still try to make their bloated as fuck websites useable to the average person visiting the site. Game devs just do not care at all if their UE5slop won't run on a mid-range card from within the last 5 years even though that used to be not only possible but the norm when you used Medium presets.

>>743760045
Game dev is simply more intensive than the rest of the industry. Take your average company making some lame web or desktop GUI where the user clicks a button. In a game, you're simulating a world. Every single game is an immersive sci-fi simulation involving the amalgamation of multiple forms of media with potentially millions of variables. It's like comparing an AAA movie to taking a picture for display in a coffee shop.

>>743760045
Wow you have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

What sector did you work in?

The rest of the world lives in ez modo. Blow? He's solving the hard problems. Now this-the ultimate iteration of Sokoban. It's a problem that requires an adequate computer dialect.

>>743761917
Just because you can't deal with reality doesn't mean I'm not telling you the truth, you dumb cunt. If you have nothing to say, don't say it. They should've taught cretins like you that in primary school.

>>743761772
Okay apples to apples then, game devs are worse programmers than scientific sim devs. You can talk about the scale being larger in ther former branch of programming jobs, but even correcting for that, game devs are still pretty shit programmers considering their simulations are comparatively slow and inefficient and bad at streaming media and audio-visual cues along with internal data of the simulation compared to people in the scientific side of the simulation world. Not to mention the optimization is wanting in many game engines that is a necessity in scientific simulation engines.

Gamedev is not more intensive than any other job at this point. Maybe in the 90s or 2000s and even the early 2010s you could say that, but now the worst of the worst of the post 2010s CS hype train are all in these game companies along with people that only got this job for a paycheck rather than as a means to hone their skills and produce something worthwhile. The result of that is all game dev tools being oriented towards the lowest common denominator and games being poorly made and implemented as a seconary result.

>>743735167
>which made the creator sperg put because he was not enjoying it properly?
Not really. But it's canon that he did anyway, so pick whatever you want.

>>743735004
He publicly made fun of Japanese games at a convention ~20 years ago.

>>743742637
Some people just like the truth.
>what do you mean truth?
>you attack people you don't like and you defend people you do like
Some people are just subhumans.

I can't wait for Order of the Sinking Star inevitable success because it will make /v/ seethe for months.

>>743734224
no. most communist mass starvations happen because of bad policy with good intentions where the wisdom of the masses is ignored because the leader/party has absolute say. like The War on Sparrows. they wanted to destroy a pest that was hindering food production so they could feed more people. they wound up starving 80 million because the locusts #1 predator was being obliterated.

now, you telling me, the people who invented kung fu by watching animals fight, didnt know sparrows were fucking up locusts daily? "Shh old man. You are being reactive! Kill the birbs!"

btw, the last american to enact price fixing was Nixon on gasoline the last time Pissrael started shit and threatened the global economy in the 70's, and it fucking worked

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>>743732585
*nods respectfully*

>30 millions dollars
Money well spent because a language like Jai is objectively what the games industry is going to need after the inevitable second game crash.

One of the objective reasons that game development now takes on average 8 years and therefore has 8x the cost plus 10x the inflation is because C++ is hostile to game development itself, C++ is a bloated mess and the "features" that take so long to come out are in the end a literal waste of time, and it doesn't actually help the process of game development, the committee is clueless to the hardware and performant code.
From this presentation from 2014 you can already tell that experienced developers are starting to have C++ bloat fatigue, it's been over 10 years since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ItVEVjHc

It was long overdue for modern general programming languages that actually helped you have control of the hardware and therefore excellent for game development, and not some other objective irrelevant to gamedev like managing some bullshit mental model that is going to have slow performance anyways or it's about "memory safety" or some other irrelevant goal that makes the language fucking rigid and virtually unusuable for gamedev.

A lot of programmers are knowledgeable of C++ or Rust or C#, etc, but it doesn't matter because they are bullshit languages and they are going to waste years of game development time wrangling some stupid faggot feature in those programming languages that is not actually relevant to the game, they are actually retarded and essentially a nodev, nil.

Here's what I mean, Rare was a company built on savvy programmers, but C++ is literally grounding them to dust, instead of making sure that Sea of Thieves was an actually good game, the newer versions of C++ were taking up all that headspace and they wasted years wrangling irrelevant minutia, after this they prob got fired after shit sales, the state of the industry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm9-xKsZoNI

Braid felt like and played like a glorified flash game.

>>743738340
Can't you tell that Jon Blow did just enter the general software world and did succeed with his own general programming language plus an actual game that proves that the language is useful and ready to go?

He just gave gamedevs a big fucking nut to build off of for the next 20 years.

>>743766146
lol nobody gives a shit about meme language #634589

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>>743766842
I'm going to need more effort from (you) when you reply to my good posts.

>>743732585
*unzips dick*

>>743766146
All this is telling me is that gamedevs are incompetent bad at their jobs and that's something I and many people have already known for years. You're talking about the same Rare that took 10 years to get a game into alpha before Microsoft cancelled it. They don't have the programming prowess they used to.

>>743766441
The game runs like shit and it doesn't have the graphics or even the amount of in-game entities to justify it. No one cares about his shit language. No one will use Jai in a couple months let alone a couple decades because there's no push from some higher corporation or financial backer to push this language and the final product from the person making the language is kinda garbage.

If anything, I expect games to become less and less programming focused and use shit more adjacent to UE5's Blueprints or just scripting to get anything done. No one wants to learn yet another language to do the same shit they can do in another more established more mature language that has been worked on for years now.

>>743766842
Couldn't say it better myself. I really wonder what goes on in these retards' heads to think that people with jobs want to bet on a meme language to get shit done.

No one who played Braid is going to want to replay Braid. It's a one time gimmick, same as like Limbo. There's no reason to go back and play it.

>>743766907
there is literally no reason for jai to exist when odin exists. it is a complete waste of time

>>743767202
Agreed. I like it, but it's a very short and simple game.

>>743767083
Good programming languages will gain traction for the sole(feet) reason that a good tool will let you do x100 more work, simple as.
That's what Rust was 10 years ago, to oversimplify it, people who were used to unique pointers felt that Rust provided that workflow and cleaned up all the complexity and bullshit that C++ had, then the corporations and industry took notice, because of grassroots traction btw, and then pushed the language on the entire industry, it stuck in web development and servers, but it didn't stick in gamedev because developers don't actually want that workflow, and the compile times are just as slow as a big C++ project, sometimes worse.

Developers want a simple language, that can provide proper control of the hardware and with incredibly fast compiles and no bullshit.
The programming language that provides that WILL gain traction and therefore end up being considered by the larger industry.

>If anything, I expect games to become less and less programming focused and use shit more adjacent to UE5's Blueprints or just scripting to get anything done.
E33 is an example for what you say here, but in my opinion this is just wishful thinking, UE5 is kind of a baggage on the entire games industry and it's better for good developers to just build their games "from scratch", using a good language for the task of course.
Keep in mind that even Epic Games is struggling with C++ on Unreal Engine, because the committee just does not care about the games industry, this surge of new languages like Jai, etc, was inevitable.

>>743767286
I'm using Odin.

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>>743760045
>>743762609
>>743767083
Why do I get the impression that you're one of those third world retards that inhabit threads about GPUs, keyboards, raytracing, etc to seethe at anything you can't afford on your $4k yearly salary? Very similar talking points about how everyone is incompetent because things don't run on your 1060 from 10 years ago.

>>743741643
>a single good programmer costs 200k a year,
no lol lmao boomer you got ripped off

>>743768504
Don't forget the metaprogramming, that's the most important feature of Jai.
>E33 is an example for what you say here, but in my opinion this is just wishful thinking, UE5 is kind of a baggage on the entire games industry and it's better for good developers to just build their games "from scratch", using a good language for the task of course.
No, some games are just not feasible to make an engine for on your own unless you're a AAA studio and even then it's very hard and expensive (see CDPR with Cyberpunk). Better to do what Embark did with Arc Raiders: use UE5 but don't fire all your engine programmers so you can modify it to your needs.

Just look at how long it took Blow to make The Witness. Despite having decades of experience it took him and his team of very experienced people 7 years and cost him a lot, and graphically that game is very simple compared to something like E33.

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>>743768663
Because you're projecting your biases onto people whose argument you disagree with but you are too stupid to argue with in an honest manner. Not everyone with a different opinion is a thirdie or a pajeet. You're just retarded.

>>743767083
>Couldn't say it better myself. I really wonder what goes on in these retards' heads to think that people with jobs want to bet on a meme language to get shit done.
A lot of argumentation online revolves around imagining a wageslave and then you have to do what the wageslave is doing or you're a loser, aka some form of FOMO but you miss out on waging, getting dat shit done n shit. (Note: You can't get shit done when a bad tool insists upon itself and gets in the way constantly)
My counterargument is this, good developers work on software because they have a passion for programming, when they get off work after having to deal with a complete bullshit C++ project that is an absolute mess, what kind of tool do you think they are going to consider for a hobby or a side project to have fun with programming again?

The industry, the games industry specially, rises from hobby or side projects blowing up, everything "mature" (old hag are NOT sexy) and "industry standard" is stagnant because the passion is gone, and bad tools ran its course.

>>743768948
No, no I think I'll trust my gut feeling, Ranjeet.

>>743768995
Well, it's wrong hence why I'm calling you a retard.

Uh didn't know the creator of pretentious Mario was such a bitch, still not playing that shit

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piece of shit

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>>743769263
>I just hope it doesn't abruptly go bad

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>>743769263
>I hope it doesn't abruptly go bad

Johnathon blow will always win because he's intelligent and funny and ngl he looks handsome
/v/ is jealous of him

>>743732080
>went 30 millions dollars in debt
Wonder how he feels about spending more on REMAKING an ancient indieslop title than most "borderline AAA" JP devs do on entire new games.
Even what was considered a budget black hole from a director that was horrible with money and budgets like gang of dragon "only" needed 44m more to be completed, and it really looked like the game was 20% done at best.
How the fuck did he even spend 30m anyway? Can't even say haha money laundering when the goddamn retard went into debt for it.

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>>743770254
>How the fuck did he even spend 30m anyway?
Paying the wages of a small game studio for 10 years.

>>743769263
Patriot.

>>743769263
To be fair, the bar is pretty low.

>>743770254
>"borderline AAA" JP devs
These guys are absolute slop factories though so really not something you should aspire to.

>>743770617
even current CHsloppa is better than anything blowjob has done and that's saying something

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>>743732174
Time control in Braid is really good and had good puzzles; but unfair if you want the hidden stars (wait fucking 2 HOURS in a cloud, glitches/speedrunning for the star of the frozen world,etc)

>>743770254
>>743770427
Those are the best 30 million dollars ever spent, because it produced a good language with fast compile times.
For Silicon Valley that's like spending 300 dollars to create 1 zogzillion dollars in future venture capital, speculation, etc.

>>743770729
I'm more interested in the game he made with it and will make in the future.

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>>743770254
>>743770680
Case in point: one of the weebs asshurt over Blow shitting on Jap games decades ago.

>>743770729
Blowjob didn't invent C++.

>>743770839
>shartytard going mask off already
lol

>>743732585
All the zoomers seething at Anon for saying the truth lmao

Only memorable thing about braid Is the music

>>743732080
Only the demo is out. IMO it's gonna flop but why do these numbers matter.

I forgot to mention. High-level languages will follow. JavaScript, Python. These are full of flaws. They won't do. Neither fully fulfills the role of a proper (actual) high-level proglang. Cosmoslang's Logic-Functional Temporal Whiles/If/For/Some-statements. Temporal whiles-that's a smooth abstraction for the developer. This is the future. One can imagine the future of Terra-like "bridge" languages to then bridge the gap for a full setup of Cosmos on the scripting side and Odin/Jai on the low-level.

>>743732478
Darwinia is awesome

>>743768928
This is true, but we need "enginedevs" for the health of the industry.

What Embark and E33 did was a good move for their circumstance, but in the example of E33, that game was funded by a group that ejected from the Ol' Ubisoft, and if you account that Ubisoft was capable of making their own engines and now their spiritual descendants cannot, it's a bit of a decline.
Following the same point Embark had a lot of people that used to work for DICE, the recent Battlefield was DICE's inhouse engine shining again, looked like a success but they still fired a lot of people, grim.
What makes me mad is how the industry is killing the engine programmer because "UE5 can do everything" when UE5 can't actually do everything, it's just another stupid trend that kills the health of the absolute state of the industry.

I'm not advocating for everyone to make their own general engine (Defold already exists), if you look at Valve they didn't "make an engine", they just made their game (Half-Life 2), and then they had an "engine" to build off of for later projects, Blow had the same opportunity with The Witness, that engine could have easily been repurposed for the Sokoban clone but he decided to mog C++, and now we have Jai.
My point is that if you're a new AA or AAA company you could consider something like Jai, Odin, etc, as the language for your engine that you're going to keep iterating on for each subsequent game, and if you do it like Valve, but it's written with a language that has objective benefits over something like C++, you're going to have a lot of value for your expanded gacha multiuniverse franchise available for Android, iOS, SteamOS and Winblows.

>>743743908
You have state healthcare available for everyone but also can pay for private with insurance if you want

>>743770953
kill yourself faggot

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>>743771524
>IMO it's gonna flop
It was the most played puzzle game in its Next Fest. 15th place in total, being surpassed by like a dozen friendslop games. Valve emailed him and asked him to keep the demo up longer. And it's on Switch, too. This game is doing to sell like hotcakes.

>>743769263
Jonathan Kike

>>743732080
Everyone that wanted braid already had the original on steam.