FuuuuuckOur argument is RUINED
>>743735202>despite outrage at Nintendo and claims Sony is best, only seven games have sold more than 100K discs, which is 5 more games than the number of exclusives on the system despite being available for more than half a decadeholy shit, sony IS dead.
>>743735202>this yearHow many PlayStation games came out this year again?
>>743735282Nodon't you DARE blame Sony for having a paltry output, it's the consumer's fault.
Perhaps it is. Perhaps I am wrong. But who is to say that you are right?
>>743735202don't care, still not buying a PS5 or PS6
The argument is that Sony will hold a monopoly over the Playstation store and can jack up prices however they want since there are no alternatives for consumers.
>>743735312>it's the consumer's fault.This but unironically.How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
>>743735291>How many PlayStation games came out this year again?Bold of you to assume it was a PS5 game
>>743735202Yeah no fucking shit since there are NO GAMES for the consoleLet's see what has come out close by to be able to sell over 100k>exclusives:>SAAROS (2026)>Ghost of Yotei (2025)That's it. How the fuck could there be more than seven games, jesus christ
>>743735202>release nogaems and box codes>wow where's the disc sales guys, guess you don't want 'em :^)Genius follow-up to their disastrous statements, basically no u tier.
>>743735202if you actually read the article there have been only 7 major releases this year that were on disc and they all sold over 30% physical.
>>743735202Wait since when were there seven games released on the ps5 that'd get 100k sales? >yotei>RE requiem>borderlands>saaros>crimson desertAnd I'm out of names. the fuck were the other three?
>>743735202I just don't trust anything Sony says.I just don't! Hahahahaha
RE RequiemCrimson DesertMLB the Show 26007 First LightLego BatmanWWE 2K26CoD Black Ops 7
>>743735794>100k is 30% of salesare you saying the 7 major releases for ps5 didnt sell more than 400k?
>>743735202How does this "ruin" the argument that you can sell disc games second hand?
No physical no buy, that's it.
>>743735894Not that guy but remember the shit eater analyst who shared the numbers deliberately used (quietly) more than (loudly) 100k to make people think those games sold exactly 100k. Despite most likely 6 sold like a million and the last 101k to make the statement technically true.That is also why these are US only numbers from the first six months (despite knowing well the holdiays are packed) and not sharing overall physical sales. Because last year Sony reported 70 million disc sales overall for PS5 and it would interfere with the "loud minority, physical doesn't exist" narrative.
>>743735202When has this bizarre strategy of blaming the customer ever worked?
>>743736131For Sony? Always. The PS5 was an abysmal prospect from the beginning and people are still buying it and calling it "must have" despite it now being 5 years old with about 6 exclusives. if you don't want a PS5 that's your fault.
>>743735202this doesn't say much, they could have 500 games selling 40K copies on a 50K total.
>>7437358942026 isn't a good year at all yeah.
>>743735202*ahem*Now please show the digital sales, sir.The news here is that the pis5 software sales are abysmal, especially for the retardedly huge installbase.
>>743735202That's because the PS5 has no games and not because people don't like physical media.
>>743735202>7 gamesThat's the whole library
>>743735202>only defense is pushing fake narratives and numbers>snoys will eventually lap it upI'm laughing at both sides.
People don't buy new games. This is what the average person plays on their PC/console, old shit. It's over for new games.
>>743739352The average steamgod is more likely to try new stuff here, clearly, half of these games are new, with one technically not even announced yet lmao.
>>743735202I still use optical discs but hell, i cant blame manufacturers for abandoning the technology slowly (at least on the consumer side, optical for enterprise apps is better than ever with research into 5D volumetric borosilicate storage).The consumer didnt nearly buy enough discs and not a small minority is whining. Fuck consumers.
>thread no. 164746389 that disregards that without discs you have to buy your games in a single store that wants double the price for no disc more often than not.Cool tardo dmg control
>>743735202And millions of used game sales, which is why Sony is seething
>>743735379>mcdonalds has a monopoly on its restaurantsKEK zoomers are truly the dumbest generation in human history.
>>743741335Can you explain the joke please?
>>743741335>food analogy
>>743739823"steamgods" still play destiny and of course the fotm streamersloplmao
>>743741401To be fair Sony is about the equivalent of McDicks when it comes to quality so I can see why his mind went there
>>743735894Yeah? Sony consoomers don't buy games, they play fortnite and roblox. Why do you think they've been having to lay off so many studios and why all their games keep fucking bombing?
>>743735202Does this include the used market?
>>743735379That's exactly what will happen since Sony is legally obligated to maximize revenue for shareholders. The problem is they have no meaningful exclusives so there's no reason to lock yourself into that ecosystem.
>play ES Oblivion remastered on my PS5>it's stuttery and shit and I have no option to reduce graphics settings This is why I own two PCs and will no longer but consoles.
>>743735202Why are there so many corporate shills on /v/?
>>743741335You can get hash browns and hamburgers elsewhere, bro.
One of my favorite parts of this whole fiasco are the few people that are selling their PS5 to make a stand, at the same time probably getting rid of their only way to play physical movies. They only care about physical when it's the trendy thing to care about, they'll keep streaming on Netflix or wherever else instead of buying physical movies. And god forbid they buy music instead of using Youtube or Spotify.
>>743742491maybe some of us are just tired of outrage mediaevery youtube grifter is looking for a new thing to seethe about for views
How is a million + $$ in sales no longer worth it?Its not like they sell at a loss
>>743742605Imagine being so braindead that you don't hold a stance and just care what the media/majority is saying. Perfect for rimming Sony
>>743742589I thought it was funny when Kojima weighed in to warn that this was bad and the same thing *could* happen to movies.
>>743742668i dont even own a ps5 nigger
>>743735202I don't trust journalist and their lies.I also don't remember anything worth getting this year.
>>743742715And that's supposed to make it better that you're on the corporation's side?
>>743735202That's such a blatant fucking lie lmao
>>743742491Snoys are huge corporate cocksuckers.
>>743742392>even snoys don't want to buy new slopThis industry is going to go up in flames, and chuds will dance on the ashes
>>743742771you mean the winning side? :)
>>743735202yes, it's their only 7 games they released!
>>743742491For me it's the hypocrisy, like when you see people saying they'll start to buy physical again now - meaning they stopped buying it up until this point and are the exact problem that caused this mess and they'll continue consuming all their other media digitally without a second thought. It's just funny as fuck how the average consumers are just complete cattle incapable of introspection. Everyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knew this was the last generation for physical in 2020 and those of us with those aforementioned 2 brain cells are already on PC where this has been a thing for a decade so we simply don't care. Is this bad? Yes of course, I buy physical on console. Can you change it? No, Sony is already shutting down the facilities that make discs. This outrage is a mix of performative bullshit, actual retards that are surprised it's happening, and marketers/fanboys for Microsoft and Nintendo making a fuss.
>>743735202>most people are stupid, therefor you are wrong for knowing/wanting betterThis seems to be a uniquely American point of argument and I desperately want to know why it is considered acceptable.
>>743743178I'll be very clear with youThis is not the consumers fault in any way>Sony releases fuckall for games>Even ps5 owners aren't buying games>Oh man I guess you guys weren't buying those physical games guess you didnt want them after allLet's not forget why they're moving to exclusives instead of PC>Have year long exclusivity for their movie games>Hype does after a whole year and most people have seen the game steamed or already played it on ps5 and weren't double dipping>Oh I guess you guys on PC didn't really want our games after allSony makes excuses using their own bad behavior to justify becoming even worse. Never blame the customer for a fault of the company
>>743735202Sounds like more of a self-own considering the PS5 hasn't gotten any interesting games all year, Requiem can only carry a console so far when Sony hasn't released ANYTHING
>>743735202>thinking i give a single fuck if sony is happy about salesI don't buy digital games at all. There's no discussion to be had. I will just pirate them. Either sell me a product or fuck off.
>>743740585You forgot>needs to buy their crypto in order to buy their games
>>7437352027 games in 6 months on a console notorious for having no games is pretty good though.
>>743735894Yeah. The vast majority of Playstation fans only really play CoD and a ball game of their preference. That's why Sony flipped their shit a few years ago over Microsoft buying ActiBlizz, if new CoD games stopped releasing on Playstation it'd immediately become a dead console.
>>743735202At first i thought it said>despite outrage at sony's shift toward a dickless future
>>743743506>This is not the consumers fault in any wayIt is completely the consumers fault because they are the ones that have been consuming mostly digital the entire generation, and part of that is because they bought the digital only model because it was $100 cheaper as the average moron can't think ahead and realize they'll save more than $100 buying physical and used games over time.>>Even ps5 owners aren't buying gamesThis is an industry wide issue, the average amount of games played on Steam last year was 4. That's not brand new games, that's total games which includes old ones. This is due to gamers mostly sticking to playing live service and f2p games with some cheap friendslop on the side. It's the exact same issue that plauged PC gaming in the 2000's where everyone played the same few multiplayer games and f2p Korean MMOs and companies like Epic had to ditch PC to release on the 360 instead because no one was buying games on PC when they could play DotA for free or raid Molten Core.>Let's not forget why they're moving to exclusives instead of PCSony ditching PC is precisely because they are dropping physical, there would actually be no reason to ever buy a PS6 if it was digital only and had no exclusives. That's just a shittier PC with a subscription to play online, the PC ports were all an advertisement to get people interested in Sony's exclusives regardless which is why they had no DRM attached and Sony has explicitly stated this. Anything else they say is an excuse to save face, because the amount of money they get from PS+ subs far eclipses all PC sales by a large amount and they can't afford to have everyone leave their ecosystem for PC.
>>743735202>seven playstation gamesthere aren't even that many in existance
Who honestly gives a shit about sony and their movies
>>743735838nigger ballnigger gunnigger car
>>743744241>Sony ditching PC is precisely because they are dropping physicalThey're dropping PC because they're still obsessed with a console war that ended ages ago, and are fully convinced that releasing their games on PC will "help XBox win".
>>743736009Because obviously no one would buy them.
i got a brand new ps5 and the disc drive died in under 3 months. don't fucking tell me it's my fault my household doesn't buy physical sony games.
>>743735202100,000 is a lot of peopleIt's not quite 6,000,000 but still
>>743736338What are they out of curiosity? I know theres astrobot but what else?
Sony's games were flopping on PC. Spider-man 2 sold like 5 million in its first two weeks on only PS5. It's sold 16 million on PS5. On PC, it's estimated to have sold barely a million. It's just not worth it to them to do these ports.
>>743735202honest to god I want physical to go awayin 30 years time when people get nostalgic and want physical editions of what will then be considered classics I'm gonna be fucking rich capitalizing, thanks sony
>>743735202>You may live to see PS finally die.Literal skill issue from Barrierstation part.
>>743742705No one cares about physical movies because youndon't pop it in to play maybe more than once or twice.
>>743744538Entirely from the dome>Astrobot>Yotei>Latest Gran Turismo>Demon's Souls remake>Destruction AllStars (Dead)Upcoming>LaFey>Wolverine
>>743744461It's about protecting their PS+ bottom line. If Project Helix is set to be a Steam Machine that uses Windows instead then yeah, having all their games playable on Xbox is bad for that. Even if that wasn't the case though, the PC ports would stop. It was basically a free trial for Sony's games to get people interested in the IPs. I'd argue they picked an awful time for it because the PS5 releases for series were worse than the PS4 releases so I don't think it was a very successful strategy when GoW Ragnarok was mid and probably made it so people have no interested in GoW Laufey which looks worse.Here's the clip where Shawn Layden talks about their PC port strategy, it's only 2 minutes.https://x.com/kiwitalkz/status/2027093973102457118
>>743735202>source: we made it uplol
>>743744786>Demon's Souls remakeHoly fuck thats this generation? Shit I'm young. We need to move onto the ps6 already.
>>743744797>not to make moneyWhat a lying sack of shit. Why the fuck do you need to say such obvious bullshit?
>>743745036You need to remember that Steam in particular has a very high amount of Chinese users and that the Chinese market had consoles banned from 2000 to 2015. The PC ports were a way to advertise their IPs to China who didn't have any nostalgia for them, the Chinese only had nostalgia for Nintendo because of a company called iQue which got around the console ban by selling a N64 controller that could play unique cartridges directly from the controller itself.
>>7437352822 more weeks, right?
>>743745343more like 2 years ago
This sounds like an admission PS5 has no games to me.
that's because they only have 7 games that sell over 100k copies.
>>743735870Still use the Sony's DRM machine like a stupid, good goy. Sell your shitty console.
>>743745464you should not be telling consolefags to swap because it's going to raise pc hardware demand even more which means the shortages will last longer and prices will stay higher for longer. if those fucking retards are going out paying $400 for 32gb of ram that's a problem for us.
>>743744557That's exactly how the hype died for two years, FFS. If it had launched on PC day one alongside the PS5 version, it would've easily outsold the console version. Helldivers 2 already proved how massive the PC market can be.
>>743735202there is no ps5 games to sell. people will buy old games on psn that are cheaper.
>>743735202>Only seven playstation gameskek were they counting previous generations, the ps5 doesn't have that many games
>>743746212Imagine the PS6 ending its entire generation with fewer than seven first-party PlayStation games. Lmao.
>>743745437>>743745848>>743746212There are thousands of games available on PS store
>>743746362https://mp1st.com/news/sony-removes-1000-low-quality-games-from-playstation-storeNot for long
here is the real physical percentage from the Insomniac leak
>>743742540You can play video-games elsewhere, bruh!
>>743746521lmao
>>743746841>outdated info useless
>>743744241> been consuming mostly digital the entire generation, and part of that is because they bought the digital only model because it was $100 cheaper asActually the numbers seem to suggest 82% of all ps5 hardware sales were disc editions and the external disc drive is the best selling piece of hardware for the ps5>This is an industry wide issueI know it's an industry wide issue but Sony is part of the industry and we're just talking about them right now. Xbox didn't kill physical media but they gotta be suffering far more than PlayStation right?>no exclusives. That's just a shittier PC with a subscription to play onlineThis point is actually probably inaccurate on a couple different levelsFirst, a console will never be anything close to PC unless it is jailbroken and can run a cfw, or at the least unsigned code, which a PC can do. Just the nature of the PlayStation store being the only place to buy PlayStation games makes it more like an iPhone than a PC.Secondly the primary reason youd buy a console in the first place is you're a normie that doesn't want to have to look up what specs the computer theyre buying has, or what that all means. Consoles I think will always have a huge market even if they're digital only purely because you get 1 -3 choices of box and all of them do the same thing, which is play video games
>>743747526Sony can go all digital regardless, because if you don’t want a PC, you have to buy a PS5 or PS6. It doesn’t matter at this point. They know they can get away with it since Xbox is stalling and Nintendo doesn’t have parity.
>>743747651Yeah that's basically it, the locked down proprietary ecosystem walled garden has a nice price tag you just end up getting raped for as long as you own the device I do not expect this boycott to work
>>743745815>If it had launched on PC day one alongside the PS5 version, it would've easily outsold the console version.Helldivers 2 is a completely different type of game
>>743747782No excuse.
>>743746521Lmaooo
>>743735202You can't just go an entire year with no new games then use that as an argument that demand for physical games is down.
>>743747886Sony doesn't care and will never be your friend. Bend over.
>>743747886>an entire yearlol
>>743746861You can't convert to those platforms for free unlike being able to drive to a brand new restaurant for free. Switch 2 has a $450 (Soon to be $500) buy-in, Xbox has a $500-600 buy-in in a week and a half, and PC has a minimum buy-in of around $1000 if you don't have anything even 6ish years recent. That's also why Steam is not a monopoly on PC, because on PC swapping to GOG, Epic, Microsoft Store, Ubisoft Connect, EA App, and itch.io costs you the consumer absolutely nothing.That's not even talking about how you would lose your entire library, friend's list, and more being forced to start anew on a new platform whereas on something like PC it's a single click away to get your library.
>>743747526>Xbox didn't kill physical media but they gotta be suffering far more than PlayStation right?Xbox stopped releasing first party games on disc around 2 years ago I think. >Consoles I think will always have a huge market even if they're digital only purely because you get 1 -3 choices of box and all of them do the same thing, which is play video gamesVery true, it's why I think this whole thing is overblown. The moment everyone sees the PS6 they're going to get swept up in hype and stop caring that it's digital only because it's really the only way for them to play video games unless they ditch all their Playstation games and swap to Xbox which seems unlikely. People don't want to admit it but most gamers are slaves to the ecosystems they're currently in. Like how PC gamers refuse to use anything that's not Steam these days because they want all their games in 1 place.
>>743735202Apparently just 1000 physical sales got you into the number 9 spot in the UK last month. It sucks but physical is dead.
>>743735202>make no games>sell no games>ERM ACHKQUALYL IT'S BECAUSE PHYSICAL SUCKS AND NOT BECAUSE SNOY CAN'T GET ITS HEAD OUT OF ITS ASS AND KILL OFF CALI OFFICESIt's kinda funny how they scored an own goal while trying their hardest to fuck over what's left of their playerbase
>>743735202the outrage is fake and gay. steam is malware client you need to install and monopoly, bu tyou faggots just seal clap and slurp cock over it. even get upset at gog or epic store or anyone else that has their own as if its some crime to not sell on steam and give them 30% of all sales to do nothing. and all digital. no more warcraft 2 with giant art book and lore and maps. no more baldurs gate 2 with spined tome of rules and lore and maps and character sheets. just digital. because steam. nintendo sells fucking retarded carts that have nothing on them and need to be in the system to play a downloaded copy. slurp slurp slurp. no mass campaign and community notes and endless videos about either. just semen slurping faggots.
>>743748275>steam is malware client you need to install and monopolyOkay I'll bite, how is it malware or a monopoly?
>>743742845Winning?
>>743748063I do expect Xbox to eventually follow suit with Sony but they haven't announced that yet so I'm not gonna just say they already did it
>>743748275here's the snoygger seething.
>>743735202I will never trust numbers provided from entities who hate everything I stand for.
>>743748426then stop buy anything from Sony. Forget PS5 and PS6. Get Switch 2.
>>743748509Way ahead of u but I don't want a switch 2
>>743748509Nintendo also hates physical dougheverbeit
>>743748370I mean, they did already do it. Xbox is such a dead brand that no one actually realizes it, which is hilarious in a way. I was actually wrong because the last physical first party release was in 2021.>The last first-party Xbox game to receive a traditional physical disc release was Halo Infinite, which launched with a disc for Xbox One and Xbox Series X on December 8, 2021.
>>743748587They hate it because people in third world shitholes (and Amazon) keep breaking street dates, also specifically with Amazon, they wanted Nintendo to engage in illegal price fixing with them that would have gotten Nintendo in shitloads of trouble with the FTC
>>743748063>Xbox stopped releasing first party games on disc around 2 years ago I think.They didn't. They stopped releasing Xbone versions years ago. Indiana Jones was just two years ago and it has a physical. What they started doing is releasing physical copies that are functionally like key cards because the Xbox can only do 50 GB Blurays or something.>>743748103>It sucks but physical is dead.It isn't. You are parroting talking points. We already know like >>743736057 said that they did 70 million disc sales last year. Even the OP's information is extremely vague and doesn't specify what those games are when in 2026 alone we've had Crimson Desert, 007, RE9, Nioh 3, Pragmata, and now Black Flag Resynced which has already sold 3 million copies in general. It is impossible to believe all these games only sold 100k each on consoles physically when we literally know in Japan alone, just Japan, RE9 sold 209k copies physically on the PS5.https://teitengame.com/index.html>バイオハザード レクイエムAlso:>Vinyl is selling more now than back in the 50s.>CDs are literally making a comeback because Gen Z wants to make their own custom CDs.>Blurays are still popular.>DVDs are still popular especially in bargain bins.Gaming is the only place you see people defending getting rid of physical for some absolutely asinine reason despite there being no way for the consumer to reasonably switch to another platform unlike in any other medium without a huge upfront cost and the fact that it gives the platform owner a huge monopoly on their prices as they have zero reason to lower their prices. Most people are not going to spend $550 to get their game elsewhere. We've already seen that despite having direct competition from Steam Sony does not permanently lower their game prices at all, and even though games like God of War Ragnarok have been $20 physically for years at this point it's still full price on both PSN and Steam.
>>743735794could you please quote the part of the Eurogamer articleor Matt Piscatella's BlueSky postor the Circana Retail Tracking Service datawhich says this?Because all I can find is "only seven PlayStation games have sold more than 100,000 physical copies this year-to-date (meaning from the 1st January until today) in the US." from EG, and "7 have sold more than 100k physical units year-to-date." from MP.
>>743748698>What they started doing is releasing physical copies that are functionally like key cards because the Xbox can only do 50 GB Blurays or something.They've been doing those since Smart Delivery at the start of the generation where only the Xbox One version was on disc and the Series X version was a key card. Even Indiana Jones is an exception though because games like Hi Fi Rush, Hellblade 2 and the Gears of War Remaster never even got those. They had no physical release at all.
>>743748698> for the consumer to reasonably switch to another platform unlike in any other medium without a huge upfront cost You know console games only run on the console they were designed for right? If you switch platforms all your discs become useless just like your digital purchases
>>743748969>They've been doing those since Smart Delivery at the start of the generation where only the Xbox One version was on discYeah, I know. Lots of the "Series" versions of games are just Xbone disks. Hell, they did this on the Xbone too with them just repackaging 360 disks in Xbone cases.>>743748987>You know console games only run on the console they were designed for right?You know that on PC when you swap storefronts you can still boot up Steam in like two seconds and play your game on the same exact system, right?You know that when you buy a movie through Netflix and then go to Amazon's store you can still watch it on Netflix in like two seconds by booting up an app, right?You know that when you buy a song through Apple Music and then go to Youtube Music you can still boot up Apple Music in like two seconds, right?When you transition to a different console you first have to pay the upfront cost for the new console which is a minimum of $500. You then lose everything you bought, have to set up an entirely new system, have to use a different controller, have to set up a brand new account with nothing on it, etc. There is a monumental difference between swapping from a PS5 to a Switch 2 and swapping from Steam to GOG Galaxy.
Yet again retards focus on the wrong thing. You don't actually want physical games, you want your digital games to have all the same rights as your physical games of the past.
What I often see in threads like these are people 'on the same side' arguing against each otherpartly because they don't understand what they've read,and partly because they see enemies at all sides.
>>743736496Well, we won't show the digital sales. But we can claim we have thousands of players who opened the game at some point.
>>743748587The annoying thing is that modern cartridges are great for consoles>higher capacity than blu ray>instant gameplay with no install/download>game doesn't take up drive space on the consoleThe only downside is the actual price of the card itself. Being able to play a modern AAA game just by sticking a cartridge in and nothing else was a revelation with the Switch 2.
>>743748275>even get upset at gog or epic store or anyone else that has their ownNobody here is mad at GOG. Heck, they're the only other game store worth using and they never throw shit at Steam.
reminder that VALVE, yes the company that /v/ worships started the whole digital revolution. keep blaming sony though.
>>743748987Try selling a game you bought on PSN on facebook marketplace
>>743749832Valve is the hot hunk that makes all females within a 5 meter radius of him begin to immediately ovulate. Sony is walking trash.
>>743749832unlike other companies valve is not in the stock market. know piracy is a competitor. gives refunds and has clauses for developers that states if licensing ends. customers keep their products. so they can't pull a sony/cinecanal bs.I don't worship valve but they do things in a good way most of the time. If that changes I would leave.
Im probably 60/40 digital to physical. So, part of the problem. The fact is digital deals are often too good to pass up. $5 download vs $125 Limited Run/Strictly Limited/iam8bit, etc Ebay scalpers.
>>743743559Imagine if Sony uses your PS6 while its in sleep mode to farm bitcoins lmao they're going make money off of your electricity.
>>743750240what videogames need is more boutique companies. the fact that sony is the only one allowed to print disc is bs. There has to be some loop around just like the EA was Able to publish games on sega genesis without their permission.
>>743750331sleep mode means sleep. not standby.be ready for the newspeech in their TOS
>>743750390>There has to be some loop aroundAtari ruined this for all consoles with their slop sadly.
>>743735409The issue here is that the meat being offered is beyond beef.
>>743735202What are those games?
>>743753529Quiet goy
>>743735794>30%this is not the take you think it is.
>>743735379I'm so glad I got my ps5 used I'm only this shit because of my friends, it really is such a shitty service.
>>743753529haven't even looked at the article but I can promise you they aren't PS5 exclusives.
>>743735202>despite the appearance of people being mad, only hundreds of thousands of people are madok.
>>743735202>make system with no games>no one buys it>get mad that there's no one to buy your games>"Clearly this means no one wants physical!"
>>743735379Then stop playing on a PS5! Why is that so hard? Why so you HAVE to use their shit? Switch to PC, X-Box, Nintendo. Sony only fucks you because you're too dumb to leave.
If the numbers for digital were that much better they would share the actual numbers with direct comparisons. They have to obscure the data in a weird way to fit their argument. Anyway, who cares. I hope they don't do anything. They will get what's coming to them and save me thousands of dollars.
Sony going all digital gives them more sales for their blu ray players.
>>743754213me, still watching movie on my ps3
>>743753987Not that anon but PC is third world cancer AIDS. Already have one and it's the biggest regret purchase I ever have. Also kill yourself.
>>743735358Just because they're correct doesn't mean they're right
I can't even name 7 PS5 games that came out this year
>>743755060sony has no games. 7 games is enough for the whole playstation brand.
>>743755060>>743755109You don't really need 7 games do you?I mean 6 games is too much for anyone...Like how are you even going to play 5 games4 games is just fucking greedyYou should be grateful there are 3 games to play!
>>743735202Dont care>Not buying PS6>Not buying anymore games.>Done with video games as a whole going forward in 2027.
>>743735379I mean Sony is already stealing money by removing movies from accounts. Movies that the account holders purchased. We already know what the plan is. It's not an argument, it's just reality.
>>743754948you're too poor, dumb and brown to own a pc
>>743755367Bye faggot, hope I don't see you on /v/ doomposting
>>743755498You wont, and if you are still here then you get what you deserve.You have 40+ years of great games to revisit, you dont need the new slop being made.
>>743735202playstation has seven game?
>>743755571>You have 40+ years of great games to revisit, you dont need the new slop being made.Yeah? I do already play old games frequently, you said you were done with video games as a whole.
>>743735379that's a pretty stupid argument since they effectively already have that power
>>743735202The last half of the last gen and the entirety of this gen most people have only bought digital for consoles and PC has primarily been digital only for a bit more than a decade so a good chunk of the anger seems like sheep following people that actually have built up a collection of games since they were a child. Like there are people that exclusively play call of duty and whatever sportslop spamming playstation youtube videos with comments about not wanting digital only and I do not believe them one bit.
>>743755708you are actually retardedwith physical discs you can>buy from stores and seperate retailers for deals>the used market>borrow from a friendgaystation has no power over those without physical you lose those options as a console cvck
>>743746320PS4 had one
>>743755945secondhand market and borrowing cds are such marginal practices these days they're completely irrelevant to whether Sony would jack up prices. like, they simply have no impact on the business decision making whatsoever. retailers also do not just make up prices out of nothing, almost certainly publishers are signing deals not to undercut their playstation store pricing. if you're getting real savings from purchasing a physical game, it's because the game sucks dick and the store has decided to take a loss on it just to get it off their shelves
>>743735202Why the focus on the USA?
>>743756212no other market matters. why do you think Sony moved their headquarters here?
>>743748301Nta but kernel access for one, telemetry for another
>>743756287having kernel access is not sufficient to be labeled malware, and the telemetry is optional
>>743749347Not really. I would prefer if all games were just free software.
>>743735282> holy shit, sony IS dead.Game discs are dead, digital is thriving.
>>743754213>>743754939Aren't they on 4K now?
>>743756252And China. Sony let a chinese mobile game use their spider-man 2 animation iirc. They love China.
>>743735202Damn, I guess I'll give up my rights as a consumer then. Fuck me in the ass, corpos!
>>743735379WHAT??? They have a monopoly over their own store??? How dare they! That’s like communism or something.
>>743756331Then what is? Keep in mind its proprietary so you have no idea what all its doing.
>>743756462yeah fair enough, unfortunately all business data coming out of china is so unreliable as to be pure noise
>>743756523the "mal" in "malware" means bad, so presumably something destructive
>>743735379good, snoyggers need to be wrung out like towels and shaken for every last shekel they have and then be left destitute and dying on the street
>>743735202there are seven whole playstation 5 games?
>>743735202Love how they try to make it a "win" for the digital side. Seven games is pretty impressive considering the number of games that were released this year that the general audience would be interested in actually buying.
>>743746861You used to be able to buy a game secondhand for less, for the price the market actually decides it's worth. Without discs, you can't do that. You're stuck paying whatever Sony and the publisher think it should cost. You can't lend your games to a friend to let them try it out before they buy it. You can't really buy a game as a gift anymore.If the online service gets discontinued, or the game is removed from the storefront, you'll never be able to play it again, even though you paid for it.
When did you realize that consumer cattle will always cave in the end /v/?For me it was with the whole "Never10" movement, those people who vowed to keep using Windows 7 forever.Over time, they all switched to W10, and now we're all using an ugly as sin, forced update, spyware included mess of an OS.Perhaps the first time I was really disappointed in people.
>>743756737>You're stuck paying whatever Sony and the publisher think it should cost.Sony and the publisher are not outside the market. They have pressures to do discounts and make money. The publishers set the price on every store. If they wanted, they could set the price at 80 dollars forever. They don't, not even on digital only titles because that doesn't make them the most money.
>>743735202Damn, almost like the PS5 has no games.
>>743756801>When did you realize that consumer cattle will always cave in the end /v/?When agriculture was invented.
>>743756801the alternative is you literally can't use any modern software tools so what the fuck do you expect
The easy solution is to not buy anything.but the sony audience now is just cowadoody and Fifa addicted retards that NEED to buy the new slop to fit in.its like labubus but for retarded men
>>743756460My blu rays are 1080p.
>>743750004Ah yes I will just try and recoup my money and then re buy all my games on a new platform cause thats totally why I meant
>>743735202I think the popularity of physical discs dropped heavily the moment that most physical games stopped including the full game. Also day one patches really destroyed interest in physical media. But then again, day one patches were always a stealth form of DRM that prevented early release piracy.
>>743756928Ya that's a retarded argument unless ur switching to Linux or Mac or something
>>743756884I see thousands on the PS Store.
>>743735202Of those seven, what were the total sales?
>>743757225you literally cannot install pretty much anything developed in the last five years on win7. if your life and preferences don't require any software starting from 2020 on for the rest of your life, that's great and i congratulate you, but unfortunately i would not be able to make that work
>>743757296I know that I was agreeing with u
>>743735202So 100% of the games that come out on PS5?
>>743756801for vidya? Online passes
>>743735202Playstation has seven games?
>>743755636>As a whole.Most likely correct anon.I have a kid now and the more time I stay in doors with this crap the more unhappy I am, next year he will be 2 and I dont want him to become like the majority of us being entertained by nothing but television or video games. So i have to live by example.
>>743756121>secondhand market and borrowing cds are such marginal practices these days they're completely irrelevant to whether Sony would jack up prices.No, they aren't. They're as relevant as B&Ms in determining if Sony even cares to drop prices because other systems having the same games which do drop prices do not cause them to drop prices. Their own releases on Steam even directly show that since you can get them way cheaper via key stores and deals that you don't get on PSN.Those paired with the fact that Amazon and B&Ms have warehouses they have to store games leading to hefty discounts forces Sony into discounting. When you remove the secondhand market, lending games, and B&Ms pressuring them to compete for sales you remove all reason they would care to lower prices. Again, they have a literal direct comparison with Steam which has a market that is forced to lower prices to compete with key stores and they simply refuse to do it.
>>743735202>This year
>>743757654steam doesn't set its prices retard
>>743735202I do not care, nigger. I'll just play Vintage story and the likes on PC. Soulful and shit.
>Gaming journalists being disingenuous and using skewed data that supports Snoy's decision to do a shitty thing so they can get kickbacks and Early AccessThanks Reagen
>>743735202>make consoles at a loss with the full expectation that people will buy a shit ton of games>make no games>regrettably have to report dismal saleswho are the fucking retards running these companiesand why on earth did it get to the point where people dont know how to make games without a comically large and unsustainable budget
>>743742491>everyone who points out my nigger idiocy is a corpo shillback to rêddit you go
>>743742771i'm on whichever side fucks snoyggercattle the hardest
>>743743178This is why I bought a Switch 2. Xbox is a dead brand and Nintendo understands that people like having physical carts for the most part.
>>743743291because it is the objective unabashed unadulterated truth
>>743735202literal gaslighting
>>743750240>The fact is digital deals are often too good to pass upi recently paid $18 digitally for a game that was $45 physically. i'm not paying over double for the same product that i'm going to play once and that's it.
>>743736057i hate jews
>>743735202>This yearObviously no games, just woke movies
>>743756737Something to consider is that in this current market, physical games from 9 years ago are currently playable on consoles and the prices of those are actually more than digital sometimes even when the physical games are second hand because they are no longer being printed but there's still a demand to play them because they work on current hardware. Imagine how much a copy of some Switch 1 game like Astral Chain is going to cost in 10 years if there's no Switch 2 or Switch 3 version made. That game can still be cheaper on sale digitally because they don't need to print more copies of that.
>>743757865I don't think you even grasp what I am talking about. You see Steam sales regularly because the devs compete with multiple other storefronts and key stores at the same time. Despite Sony having this exact same competition on Steam they don't lower the price of their game at all even though the key prices are $20-30 lower than they're asking for. This also does not in any way carry over to PSN despite being their direct competitor in the gaming space.
>>743756928That's only because everybody switched.If everyone held to their beliefs and W7 still had like 80% market share then companies would have been forced to keep releasing software for it.
>>743760250So it's important to remember people don't all own old computersWhen windows 10 releases people that are buying new computers get it with win10 shipped on itWhat happens is eventually the amount of people still on 7 that never upgraded their computer became statistically insignificant Its fighting a losing battle, but you got to about 2020
>>743760504yeah the majority of pc buyers buy prebuilts or laptops. they will always upgrade to the new operating systems.
>>743748969>They had no physical release at all.They had.>muh limited doesn't countIt does.Also not every xbox game release is a key card (only tendies are obsessed to call everything a key card to justify they bent over). Most of them has at least as much data on it as possible.BTW Cyberpunk Ultimate Edition is two disc on Xbox Series with everything on disc while the PS5 one is the base game + dlc code despite the PS5 can read 100GB discs.
>>743760856>Also not every xbox game release is a key cardNot every one is, but a lot of them are compared to the PS5 version. Likewise, there's also a decent amount that are in parity like Indiana Jones or Alan Wake 2 where both copies have basically nothing on it. I think the Doom games also do this on both side, and I believe the Call of Duty games do as well.
>>743735202Yeah no shit, Capcom has been pulling most of the weight with Resident Evil Requiem, Pragmata and Monster Hunter Stories.James Bond First Light isn't true physical because it only contains the first mission. Meanwhile besides Saros Sony hasn't released anything else on disc in 2026 yet.What kind of retarded bootlicking game are people playing here?
>>743748605Physical games still launch on Xbox. In fact a lot of people are a fan of how clean the front artworks look.
>>743742491chuds love capitalism
>>743756121very low quality post desu
>>743760856>discs can only go up to 100gboof, discs have already been blown the fuck out by the lowest rungs of cartridge media in terms of storage space on top of having a million times faster read times AND the built-in ability to write data to them toosomeone get the guys who made discs a cigarette and a blindfold
>>743763357put a game on one of those and watch the price skyrocket
>>743763457>put a game on one of those and watch the price skyrocketThe storage Jew strikes again.
>>743764512snoy kinda pulled that with their Vita. Didn't go well.
>>743735838Call of Duty, NBA2K and Battlefield
>>743762905>Physical games still launch on Xbox.It's mostly just western titles though. Anything Japanese is either nothing at all or very rarely through some limited run site, and even if it's a big name Japanese third-party like Capcom they don't guarantee to even do a physical copy. It's why if you're physical on Xbox you miss out on an enormous amount of games in general because even if they come to the platform they're not only going to be small prints but only the biggest titles. Anything remotely niche is not touching it. Hell, even Kingdom Hearts is not getting a physical even if the S2 cartridge is a GKC and the PS5 disk is functionally the same thing for no reason.
>>743764590>snoy kinda pulled that with their Vita. Didn't go well.The difference with the Vita is that the memory cards were proprietary. The Switch 2 branded microSD Express cards are not. They only go for stupid amounts of money because of the official Nintendo branding.
>>743767889sounds similarly retarded
>>743735202Thats still 700k+ illegal copies that sony can delete from your library at any timeIts time to holocaust the Sony staff
>>743735202That's pretty impressive considering Playstation 5 doesn't even have 7 games.
>>743735202>have no games>nobody buys any games
If 100% of games going forward were physical only, then we would see a 100% increase in physical sales. The only reason why physical sales declined in the first place was because they PURPOSEFULLY made physical discs harder and harder to get.
>>743746861not with first party games becoming exclusive to ps5 and 6 you won't
>>743736131There is a cooking youtuber I watch that goes by "Tasting History with Max Miller". He has a little joke saying of "History isn't written by the victors, it's written by the people who write stuff down".It sounds stupid but this is exactly how propaganda works and specially you'll see this with the current leftist political game. It's not about reporting the truth, it's about making sure that no one else writes down the truth. The more they write the same thing over and over again, the more it gets solidified and kept as history and the narrative kept.Pretty much it's a long game that you always need to keep in mind when reading news. Blaming customers doesn't work now, but in the future when people ask "why don't they make physical discs anymore?" they aren't going to see all these posts on 4chan and reddit of the millions of people upset by this, but the article of the one person who bothered to write things down, who happens to be this article claiming that gamers don't care and that there is no interest.
When the 360 came out and charged for online it really was a vastly superior service and well worth the money. It was a golden age of online gaming with friends with slurs.Now free PC online gaming is seamless. Its just as good and its free. Sony is charging for nothing.
>>743735202>22% of game sale are physical>your game will sell 454 545 copy if you wast yout time to port it to deadstation>including the 1 billions marketing costOh nononono snoy bro not like this
>>743735379They still have competition against Steam and Xbox. So they can't jack their prices up unless they do the same.
>>743768337This, I want to buy physical games. But they just don't make any. Last brand new game I bought was physical in 2015 over 10 years ago.
You are an unironic corporate shill if you argue in favor of a digital only future. Please kill yourself.
>>743768969steam don't exist for console and for xbox well, lol
>>743768548in the future no one will care because everyone will be pirating shit bro (not like they would have any shekel to spare after a 735hour shift)
>>743735202sony released no games this year
>>743759538That's a speculation market fucking up the prices on trendy "Undervalued Gems" and "collectors' items." Which tend to retain their value even after rereleases come out. Just look at the Pokemon games. BDSP didn't touch the resale value of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. Even the as-is NSO releases of FireRed and LeafGreen didn't impact the price of physical copies much. Most games, even obscure ones that don't get reprinted or rereleased stay pretty cheap, right up to the point that someone slaps together a viral video declaring it a misunderstood classic that didn't get a fair shake. Then their prices shoot up like Lester the Molester's dick and never come back down.
>>743735202This just proves that most people are hopeless goyslaves. They don't even care if they own nothing. They don't even understand the concept of ownership.
>>743769256>steam don't exist for consolefor now.
>>743769546Nice lies faggot.
>>743769805>This just proves that most people are hopeless goyslaves.Anime consumers are the biggest goyslaves of all.
>>743769805this is just average politic lie bruh (but people are still retarded cattle)
>>743769039>You are an unironic corporate shill if you argue in favor of a digital only future.Wait until you find out 100% of the posts in favor of it are either paid advertisers or trolls trying to gain (You)s on social media.
>>743770051Animefags will never outdo sportsball enjoyers in terms of goypower. Sportsball faggots take nigger worship to the next level. Then they act surprised when their daughters have nigger babies. Like, hello? She learned it from watching you.
>>743769906To be fair, that game was so bad everyone forgot it by the first week's end.
>>743735202Physical discs? I prefer physical hard drives. Yar Har plebs.
>>743769906a cuck simulator do sony ponies really?
>>743735202>Price everything so high no one can afford it>Complain no one buys it to justify your plans>Everyone backs out entirely because it's shit>"No please, I have several families to pay for!"
>>743763457
>>743768717>360Nigger the first XBOX started that shit
>>743735379Not to mention that Sony can remove games from people with no warning and no one can do anything about it.You would think Sony removing hundreds of movies would make Snoybois and Normalfags realize how scary this is.But NPCs are gonna NPC
>>743735202how many Sony games have sold more than 100,000 digital copies this year
>>743742491Probably shareholders
sorry, I must be retarded or something, doesn't every game have day 1 patches where a hundred extra gigs are required to be downloaded for you to play the damn disk? what's the fucking point of the disk if it only works as a glorified keycode?>but muh cuckllectionnice funko pop you got there, faggot, get a pc next time
>>743775605>>743768381
>>743735379Then stop buying the damn games? PlayStation niggas sound like people who are "trapped" in abusive relationships.
>>743775605>doesn't every game have day 1 patches where a hundred extra gigs are required to be downloaded for you to play the damn disk?No. Not only can you ignore installing said update on every platform but the overwhelming majority of games are on the disk in a playable state. DoesItPlay even with its smaller sample size directly show this. Something like 85% of PS5 games out of a sample size of I think 2000 games are playable off the disk, with only 17% of those requiring you to either put up with some minor glitches or miss out on some pre-order content.
>>743775605You can still lend out and resell a physical copy. A digital license is locked to your account and can be revoked at any time.
>>743775719>The maximum capacity of a standard Blu-ray disc is 50GB (Dual-Layer), while advanced BDXL (Blu-ray Disc Extra Large) discs hold up to 100GB (Triple-Layer) or 128GB (Quadruple-Layer)I don't think gta 6 will fit in one of those
>>743776147FFVII Rebirth shipped on two 100GB discs and barely sold 3 million copies.
>>743776220>2 discsdamn, they still do that? I remember FFIX being 4 goddamn discs, the case looked like a cube
>>743776147one will likely be the install disc while the other is the actual game
>>743767889That's not a sd express retard. That's a normal sd card with a dumb mario star.
