Why do uncs hate nu-doom so much? Are they calcified brains unable to keep up?
>>743738475Yes, plus a combination of nudoom being kinda gay
>>743738548>kinda
The themes and aesthetics are pretty atrocious at times. But I agree in general that that the gameplay is stellar and its mostly low skill/ slow reacting players who perceive it "zoomer adhd slop".
>>743738475loved 2016, hated eternal
I liked 2016 a lotthe rest not so much
2016 is the best one
>>743738475unironically i have like 400 hours in old doom but i play a level of eternal and need to go take a napits like an interactive migraine of a game
>>743738475>Doom 2016 is a refreshing return to basics that put gameplay at the forefront>story is there, but never forced on the player, to the point of Doomguy literally tossing away a screen that loredumps on him>he is a purposefully underdeveloped character. he wakes up because he's too-angry-to-die and kills demons until the credits role>control is never taken away from the player, and downtime is minimal >gameplay is fine-tuned, visceral and satisfying >this simplfication is universally praised by players and critics alike>Doom Eternal comes out>game cannot fucking shut up about how important doomguy is, and a whole mythos is shoved down your throat >frequent cutscenes that kill the flow>focus is placed way more on saying how cool and epic doomguy is, rather than the gameplay speaking for itself>gameplay is still good, but overly twitchy and way too reliant on moving at every moment or else getting insta-killed >Doom The Dark Ages doubles down on all of that>loreslop throughout, with a whole bunch of characters we don't care about and adding context to 2016 that was never needed >gameplay is fucking dull >Revelations adds a fucking flashback sequence showing that doomguy is actually just a flawed hecking human dealing with the trauma of accidentally killing a kid Hugo Martin is a hack, and nu-doom forgot the very reason the franchise needed a revival
>>743738475The whole game loop changed. In 2016 doom you had to conserve ammo to a degree. Eternal you run outta ammo constantly every single fight and have to run around doing a Melee mechanic to refill it, constantly. Its an annoying as fuck loop. It's not difficult to do, it's not hard to understand, its just stupid as fuck and annoying to constantly having to do it.
>>743739862>conserve ammo>when enemies dropped ammo if you got too low>when you had a chainsaw to refill>when you could unlock infinite ammo
>bethesda zoom zoomers still pretending the game requires high skill>they bitch and moan when it's about playing arena games calling it too hard
>>743740080If you need to pause the action every 5 seconds to play a canned animation, worse yet, make chaff enemies infinite just so you can chainsaw them, you have failed as a game designer.
>>743740275If you need to chainsaw that often, you should stop playing on a controller and choose an input method that actually allows you to aim.
>>743738475I wanted the sequel to be Doom 2016 but with 100 enemies on screen, but instead I got Mario with guns.
>>743738475Brutal DOOM was the worst thing to ever happen to DOOM.
>>743738475>can't keep upexcuse me, I was Kawaguchi's number one Tribes prospect 3 years running.
>>743740541Best*The worst was Bethesda buying ID.
>>743738475It's pretty boring an repetetive. Like a demon themed Simon sez.
>>7437384752016 was fine, even though "QTE to get resources" was ass.eternal was just not fun, and a prime example of new devs losing the plot.Nobody wants to platform in Doom.Nobody gives a fuck about its lore and story. And turning it into capeshit/comic book shit didn't help the case.Nor is it supposed to be an arena shooter. Those wide-open levels where you slowly whittle down enemy counts were the worst parts of original doom. If I want that, i'll play Serious Sam.
>>743738475It's just /v/ contrarianism
>>743740698Everything the new games get shit for was already set up in 2016.
>>743738475All the hate against the gameplay of this game are literal halo and cod babbies who try to force new consensus on /v/ despite being mocked back in the day. Especially everyone applies who love 2016 but hate Eternal. Because infact after Eternal, 2016 is a snoozefest gameplay wise.
These threads are all so fakeSame arguments every time. Kill yourselves.
>>7437407372016 gets a pass because it was the first new entry.Eternal was supposed to be the response that corrects the mistakes. But doubled down on all the bad aspects because Hugo had no business directing Doom.
>>7437408892016 gets a pass because it was playable on a controller.
>>743740901that and it was just closer to a fun Doom game. Not a shitty 3d platformer with shooting and parrying as a core mechanic.
>>743740885lil bro just stay in discord if you want your opinions echoed
>>743740984Right, all the RPG elements made it play like Doom.
>>743739708>>Revelations adds a fucking flashback sequence showing that doomguy is actually just a flawed hecking human dealing with the trauma of accidentally killing a kidIs this real? I haven't played anything past eternal, no way they fumbled his character this much
I loved Doom 16 though, despite the retarded glory kill abuse which was just a pale copy of ninja gaiden systems.Eternal releases and is fun but they started doing a simon-says gameplay flow by introducing unbalanced weapon/ennemy counters. That retarded and even if the game was still fun I hate how they force playstyles on the player. I still love how they pushed the difficulty and game-ified the levels.TDA being parry slop seems like a bad mistake but I only just today gave it a fair chance. We'll see. I like the ost and feel of the game and it looks less like a simon-say type game despite the parry mechanic being obviously important, it is one dimensional by itself but there's a lot going on that it seemed.
>>743738475I played the OG on a floppy and I still enjoyed 2016 and Eternal. The newest one looked gay and I passed.
>>743740856Go back to assfaggots, kiddo, because Eternal is just a singleplayer offline MOBA. Fucking cooldown centric crowdcontrol bullshit. Or did you not notice that the Slaya! literally has a MOBA support line up of skills that are on cooldown, with a finisher that charges up by killing creeps? Christ, I'm sickened enough that I know what that shit is because assfaggot enjoyers were nigh impossible to avoid for years, but now I have to see shitty assfaggot game design creep into other genres too.
I'm just playing through the Doom TDA DLC and I have no fucking idea about the story at all and I don't give a fuck to be honest. I wish they didn't go the cringe muh lore route after 2016.
>>743742782Yes, there are sequences from the past where you're an ordinary guy with a shotgun
>>743738475The level design in all the newer DOOM games are complete shit. Like laughable bad.
>>743740901Eternal was playable too but you need to remap your jump and dash on the triggers/shoulder buttons
>2016 is better
i like doom 2016(just played it) but worrying about finding every secret and collectible made it unenjoyable at times
they hate being told what to do. the game shows them how theyre expected to play and, bcuz contrarianism, they try their hardest to not do that and get mad when the game is punishingly difficult because of it.
>>743740889who directed 2016?
Here's my big criticism. It railroads you into a certain moment to moment gameplay experience. Like comboing different weapons was always a staple of these types of games, but working that out what and how to use it was left to the player. Now it's artificially forced on you. This doesn't mean that the game is easier or bad, but something was lost along the way.
>>743752615Marty Stratton. Hugo Martin was only the art director at the time.
>>743753030based marty
>>743740698>QTE to get resources in 2016>Complains about platforming in doom but prefers Serious Sam that had platforming sections in both 1 and 2>Thinks you can make interesting encounters in new shooters by making them run through narrow corridorsBrainlet preset response
>nooo i actually have to shoot everything and move my fat faggot fingers
>unable to keep upkeep up what? watching a cutscene every fucking kill?kill yourself retard
My main complaint is with the tone, the tone is completely divorced from 2016 and it feels like a reboot of the reboot with how disconnected the narrative is from everything 2016 was trying to set up. 2016 was grounded while Eternal tried to replicate the designs and colour palette of the OG games which just comes off as goofy.
>>743738475They took the worst things from 2016 and built a game around it.
>>743752198i beat doom eternal on ultra nighmare without doing any of this
>>743738475nah bro, it's literally just a slop shooter, whatever complexity they added was immediately removed when they made circular arena's that spawn like 10 dudes at most>what do you remember from doom eternal?>uhhhhh, the wall textures that you are forced to stare at while climbing through the bing bing wahoo sections while air dashing and double jumping>i just used chaingun until i ran out of ammo while pressing buttons off cooldown, even if the thing infront of me wasn't weak to it, i don't remember anything other than tha makyr fight, the sword was gay and lame>the pinata party that is chainsawing people was pretty lame>ammo being basically non-existent so that you can spawn endless trash mobs to chainsaw>imps doing nothing but body blocking you for bigger guys>story is "the doom slayer is the most ebin dood to ever exist, demons fear him, angels dare not make a sound in his presence, he alone walks this barren hell of raped demons" etc>music is worse than 2016>marauder is a big nothing burger, i had more trouble with the stupid snake guysi really don't remember anything aside from a few challenges and the god damned platforming
>>743740274>/v/tards pretending they have any skill
>>743741073>niggerspeak
>>743753204DSP’s gameplay is how I imagine /v/ plays Eternalhttps://youtu.be/9K6tSr3IONQ?si=BHcBqHDyQspWFnWB
>>743753897Considering how this board seethes at any vidya that requires a modicum of brainpower, not even skill, this is probably accurate.>the great filtering of the Heavy Attack Helicopter
>>743753804>>743753897>>743753975i beat 2016 and eternal on UNI like both but 2016 is better to meI didn't like DA much
>>743753464Nigger zoom zoom movement wants to make me fucking puke. This is what video games have become just fly around and look fancy and just slap the LE HIGH SKILL CEILING HIGH OCTANE MOVEMENT title on it. Any retard can do it but can they aim? No, so their cope is zooming around like they do in Call of Tactical sprinting
I thought TDA was really mediocre but the new expansion is actually good. Bringing back the meathook and dash and removing the dumb mech/dragon sections helped a lot.
>>743754897lol angry boomer fuckyou got bad arthritis in your hands jaded old fuck lol
>>743755053The best part? You can install kaibzmod and use the spear in the TDA campaign
>>743738475eternal would be netter if it didn't constantly break up the action for hardcore parkour. After a while the cycle of arena fight/parkour got stale.
>>743738475Love them all. Need to go back and finally complete eviternity but right now I'm enjoying tda revelations
>>743755053>removing the dumb mech/dragon sections helped a lot.Holy shit those were so bad. Wtf were they thinking
