>>743741407
Goodness no.

>>743741407
Still is, it ain't like it's gone

>>743741407
in most respects yeah. not as good as the DOS games but worth a playthrough

>>743741407
best crpg in two decades

>>743741407
Yes.

>>743741407
It's decent, yeah.

>>743741407
eh.

>>743741407
Yes, great even in some aspects

>>743741407
Dunno I sniped every important NPC without ever entering combat
I guess that's good role-play ,forced combat is gay and lame

>>743741407
>no breast physics
In the trash it went

>>743741407
>try to roleplay
>game and characters ignore my decisions
no

>>743741571
Underrail is better, BG3 is still good though

>>743743101
Nice. You can do something similar with sneak attacks. Kill an enemy in one shit and combat ain't start.

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>>743741407
in a sense yes because it simulates the experience of playing with an awful DM really well

>>743743224
Like when?

>>743741407
It was OK. All the dice rolling got old fast and made the game drag. One of the main reasons to play computer RPGs is to automate the tedious parts of TTRPGs, and they leaned into the tedium instead. BG2 is still the best in the series

>>743745168
>roll low int/wis unga bunga barbarian
>always pick barbarian options for dialogue or end conversations that get verbose and over my head
>get to act 3 in the brothel
>talk to the devil guy
>several dialogue options
>disregard them and end conversation because i know he talks alot and i dont trust him
>immediately after every party member has an ! because they want to talk to me about some hammer
>have no idea what anyone is talking about
the game assumes you picked every dialogue option and know every detail about the fucking orphic hammer after talking to the devil. i can imagine someone trying to be a lawful good paladin and ignoring his dialogue in a similar manner to my neutral stupid barbarian

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>>743741407
I'm playing it for the first time in my life right now and man... this shit ain't good at all. People were right about this. So fucking right. This shit is SO ASS
I’m currently in Act 3, and the game is getting worse with every passing hour.

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>>743741571
It is worse than Underrail, TaoD, WOTR, Colony Ship and RT. Wtf are you even talking about?

>>743741407
yes but when i played it the ending really sucked (lack of an epilogue, game just sort of ended abruptly)

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>>743741407
About average, maybe bit above average on 1st playthrough. But when you realize that your choices really doesn't matter that much, just few big ones and you can't really be actually evil. And even when you are evil and slaughter people, you can always 180 and become a good guy. Characters are 50/50 and your oc has no personality or actual goals. Your background is just a stat selection rather than proper backstory or goal thing. Also you can see how the whole game used to be some DnD scenario with the players from how the locations are designed, just like DoS 2. Shadowheart was DMs pet and its easy to see.
I hate how average it is at times. Like it is a good game. But it could be so much better with few additions and changes. But the devs were too scared of people getting angry that their choices mattered or even living with the choices they made in character creation. You can always respec and pickpocket the 100 gold back from Wither.
Makes me angry that they lack commitment. Hard to really give it 10/10 when you actually finish the game, especially multiple playthroughs.

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>>743746117
It is still that way. The game has no real epilogue with slides and it just end.
Only the main story and companions get a conclusion

>>743746541
not op but damn that sounds pretty dissapointing
I was gonna ask if all the gods you can choose from at the start change the game and how you act, but I guess from what you said roleplaying is not that deep?

I enjoyed it, played from the first day of Early Access
They went overboard trying to please the woke twitch crowd while genuine, well thought out suggestions and ideas proposed on their official forums got straight up ignored -
>Day/Night cycle?
Nah
>Faithfully implementing 5e?
Lol nope, in-house Larian mechanics and homebrew get priority, muh barrelmancy faggots need their fix
>People begging for more companions?
Fuck off, we're gonna implement Origin playthroughs nobody fucking asked for
>Literally teasing Aarakocra, Tortles and Tabaxi races in Early Access with a book in the Druid Grove area
Lol fuck you, we changed our mind, multiplayer gets priority (not to mention they were working on Warforged race and scrapped it)
So much cut content
Act 1 took priority, Act 2 and 3 are rushed and the game could've been way better had they not lost the drive to actually make a good, all encompassing, future proof DnD game
WotC also played a part in it being shit

Hopefully the modders step up, as is the game is fine and has tons of replayability, its even challenging on Honor mode its just marred by stupid decisions and ''what could have been'' and lgbtqoisguyo;siahg propaganda

Also fuck what they did to my girl Viconia

>>743747127
By default can’t only the cleric pick a god?

>>743748013
yep and even then you're locked out of all the options, gotta have a mod to actually choose all of them on any class
not to mention that you get minimal to none interactions through that choice its just dialogue interactions and fluff, no real mechanics behind it, cut content hurts is felt throughout the entirety of the game

>>743745938
E33 is a great game

>>743741407
Yeah it was pretty good, but the bar for RPG is shit at this point. Look at the contemporaries.

>>743747127
Yeah, only Shadowheart has her own God things. Clerics can choose their God of course, but like with backgrounds its basically just a stat/skillset thing more than an RPG thing. I am not sure if you even get any specific God specific dialogue options.

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>>743741407
>Was it a good RPG?
It's been like 4-6 years and you're still yapping about it.

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>>743741407
It is. Camera can be wonky at times, but its a good RPG.

>>743746541
>Also you can see how the whole game used to be some DnD scenario with the players from how the locations are designed, just like DoS 2.
that can be good though. it's how BG and ES were born in the first place.

>Shadowheart was DMs pet and its easy to see
not just a pet. she's blatantly treading into main character territory.

>>743749764
The camera is great

>>743749973
>that can be good though
Yeah, didn't mean it is bad, but when you can see it so blatantly it hurts. Especially as you pointed out with
>she's blatantly treading into main character territory
Its hard to relate when the characters are so... "modern". I can just see the type of players playing them. And hey, nothing wrong with being wacky or over the top, but I want characters, not some... "DnD session characters with inside joke personalities". I don't know how to explain it better, because its not just the writing. Someone like Gale feels 'normal' for the most of the parts and the og player doesn't shine through so much. Same with actually Wyll. Like me and my sister ended making him into our joke character because the first run we had he hopped in to the Goblin encounter and got rekt which we laughed our asses off. Misses his spell and then gets almost beat to death.
We sacrificed him to BOOOAL which I actually gotta give props to the devs because its so funny and cool at the same time to have that kind of options.

>>743741472
This
>>743741407
All aside it's polished and all, but it isn't an rpg, nor does it feel like one. It's like a puppet play for children with weird writing that resembles ai. Story was gutted and hence the result is subpar. The emperor was obviously a legendary mindflayer bringing civilization to the mindflayer and freeing them from the brain (hence the name emperor), but this was too complicated for normie mcsheeple. It's a dungeon crawler with very good crpg combat. Good in a sense that it's varied. I'll give it a 7.5/10 and isn't worthy of the name bg. The whole game is worse than the feeling of leaving the dungeon of irencus for the first time.
>>743750546
No, I don't see it like that.

>>743741407
yes, and if you think otherwise you're a contrarian faggot that didn't play it

>>743741407
No it's great

>>743750546
Eh... if you are in the open, sure. I had some really iffy situations where camera just would keep flicking between floors or not doing what i want it to do. At times i wished i could just 3rd person view from char's position/field of view.

>>743743123
this always confused me because loads of outfits have pokies, some even have the titties just out but animation bones and weights are too much?

>>743741407
Yeah. Not incredibly deep when it comes to character customization, but still very good when implemented in whatever the fuck is going on in the world

It's a solid 8/10 that /v/ hates because it went mainstream and normalniggers loved it. 4chan has gone from being counter culture to being purely contrarian, and this game is a good example of that.

>>743750627
My feeling is, they wanted to make a game about their characters and the main character was an afterthought. The whole game is about them and so is the marketing. Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 were about the protagonist's journey and your allies were supporting characters with their own arcs, not the main attraction.
I think the modern practice of RPG writing is to try to make everything really tight and interconnected and "dense", but what works for a TV show doesn't always work for a game.

>>743751006
/v/ is "contrarian" because everyone sucks its dick as a 10/10 best game ever. I can get behind it being a 7/10 or an 8/10 but it's definitely not a 10/10
I see more people on /v/ praising it than criticizing it by the way. Maybe it's confirmation bias

>>743741407

It's such a good RPG the only people who like it are incels femcels and trannies who all use it as a dating sim

>>743751006
This

>>743751174
Being so concerned about what "everyone" thinks to the point that it completely changes your opinion on something is genuine kikeslave mentality. Just letting you know.

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Anon, why are all romance‑able options in WRPGs from the past decade are used goods? I literally can't recall even a single one who wasn't

>>743751232
My opinion isn't affected by by what everyone else thinks, it's just that trying to discuss its negatives is viewed as contrarian slander by the aforementioned "people" who endlessly praise it as 10/10

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>>743746541
>you can't really be actually evil
One of the endings is that you killed every living thing in the whole world. What do they have to do for you to consider it evil? Usury?

>>743741407
>Was it a good RPG?
yes
/thread

>>743745938
this post is obvious bait

>>743751569
If your opinion weren't affected by others', you wouldn't have prefaced it with "yea well but everyone sucks this off as 10/10 best game ever" as that would be completely irrelevant. But you did and it's not. Retard.

>>743750826
You do know that there is tactical view, right? Just press a button. Go in your options menu and set your keyboard shortcuts.

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>>743751572
Its more of a "choose the color" ME3 ending. Your evil shit doesn't build up to an ending.
I doodled this MS Paint pic as a small example.
Also reminded me
It doesn't matter how much you take mindflayer powers, doesn't affect your character at all and is an objective plus. Nobody even cares if you have nommed the white worm.
The problem is that you can be the goodiest of goodie shoe and then just at the end say "lmao am evil" which feels strange. Same with being an absolute evil degenerate or murderhobo who at the end goes "yeah, lets save the world :)"
There isn't real consequences. Just at the final battle with some allies you made along the way + the letters at the last camp. If you care about the developer self-insert chars and their storylines, then you can do those of course and see those interactions.
But (You)r choices don't matter.

>>743751736
My opinion is my own, but discussion requires other people and the tone and direction of it shifts according to who is participating. I'm sorry this is difficult for you to grasp, or that you just need someone to bitch at or something, but you might see things clearer if you reach down and unbunch your panties

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>>743751685
It is not
I've played them all and balls hurt gay 3 is objectively the worst of them all
The more CRPG experience you have - the less you like Ben Swine's game because you start to see all it's critical flaws

>>743752210
I've long thought that Baldur's Gate 3 is beloved mostly by people who just haven't played other (or many) CRPGs

>obviously evil character
>looks like hes gonna transform into a mindflayer any second
>nobody gives a fuck and treats you all the same except your party and even then its limited

yeah, great RPG you got there

>>743741407
>RPG
there are exactly zero "role playing" videogames. they do not exist

>>743752204
>first post starts off with bitching about how everyone sucks off the game too hard
>"duuuuuuh nobody's opinion influences my own"
>"uhhhhhhm excuse me unbunch your panties"
While your very transparent projections are funny in their own right, it has become clear I'm talking to an incredibly low IQ person

>>743752386
Skyrim exists so no

>>743752442
skyrim is also a linear game, you can't do anything besides be the chosen one

>>743752442
This

>>743752442
skyrim without mods isn't worthy of even being mentioned and sorry but vanilla fucking sucks ass

>>743752523
in other words you're playing the role of the chosen one

>>743741407
yeaj, it was the only tolerable crpg, although i've only tried DOSII and WOTR

>>743751759
Yeah, i used it to deal with those situations. Tactical mode also has its issues. Look man, its not perfect, it has issues.

>>743752386
Starfield exists so no

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>>743741407
It is.... not very good
Overhyped as fuck. The game falls off the cliff in creche. Overall the game is very shallow and primitive in comparison more proper, but less popular CRPG like RT or WOTR

>>743752210
>russian
Oh, you're that schizo. Your arguments are invalid. Go suck off russian devs on a vacation in Cyprus.

>>743752432
>I say /v/ (and me) gets a reputation for being contrarian because posters don't agree with all the BG3 dicksucking and call attention to its negatives
>I say in that very post that it is in fact a 7/10 or 8/10
>I even clarify what I meant in my follow up post
You couldn't misinterpret my words this badly unless you were actively trying to. Panties well and truly bunched.
Let me blow your mind: My opinion about the GAME and my opinion about what people THINK of the game are two different things. Please try to grasp this astounding concept before you reply again.

>>743752210
For me, it's Disco Elysium. Pseudo-intellectual drivel for people stuck in stunted juvenile mindsets. I just know anyone praising it hasn't read any classics.

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>>743741407
It is a terrible RPG, but a great bestiality porno.

>>743741407
Yes

>>743752158
There is a single consequence where if you ate a tadpole then chose the evil ending, you'll turn into a mindflayer unless you pass a skill check,

>>743746541
>your choices don't matter that much
they matter quite a lot, especially what you do in act 1
what are some examples where choices matter more?

>>743752927
your favorite book sucks and disco elysium is peak

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The best.

>>743753189
Howcome i played it and did not see any bestiality porno? Howcome i played it and did not get any NPCs drooling over my char and wanting to have sex with my char? Howcome i did not get any sex? Oh, i know, its because ITS FUCKING OPTIONAL.

>best music
>best voice acting
>best combat
>most permutations of choices
>highest production value overall
The writing is mid and companions just OK, but I'd say it wins enough categories compared to other CRPGs to be considered good, yea.

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>>743751341
isn't casia?

>>743753532
NTA. My fav book is Lem's Solaris.

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>>743752158
>It doesn't matter how much you take mindflayer powers, doesn't affect your character at all and is an objective plus. Nobody even cares if you have nommed the white worm.
You know, it's really embarassing when you talk with such an authorative tone about a game you haven't played.

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>>743753585
What he said.

>>743753719
I meaa he's only wrong in a tiny handful of skill checks.

>>743753698
thanks for sharing anon

>>743745938
>Underrail, TaoD, WOTR, Colony Ship and RT
all of those are strictly worse than bg3. some of them are worse in every single measurable way.
>gameplay
>writing
>encounter design
>characters
>diversity
>combat system
the only one that could *maybe* hold a single angle is RT and that's only if you compare them along setting: 40k is better than forgotten realms.

>>743752861
Kek

>>743741407
Only game where you can play the whole game full nude, still don’t know why more 18 rated games don’t do this!

>>743753768
Powerful

>>743753908
>full nude
...only when modded. Same goes to Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallouts, Morrowind.

>>743753998
No? Basic, no mods, full nude in game.

nah its unironic safe horny wokeslop with reddit and marvel tier humor writing and dialogue using the worst d&d ruleset to exist so far
also had a massive shill budget paid for by chinese investment
people here like it because theyre horny and friendless and the npcs are all player sexual
at least its turn based

>>743754058
I dont recall that being an option in the game...
Are you just chatting shit? Post screens.

>>743753998
>only when modded.
Not for BG3

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>>743753719
> Shadow-Cursed Lands.
> They are hungry and crave flesh; no one can survive without the protection of light, Selûne’s blessing, or a Pixie’s charm.
> There are ultra-hungry shadows that snuff out any light, and even Selûne’s blessing is powerless against them.
> Only incredibly cursed undead and shadows dwell within these deep shadows.
> And somehow, a perfectly healthy, living human is lying on this surgeon's operating table, and the shadows haven't even tried to turn, devour, or drain him. > He doesn't need light or a blessing to be a test subject.
Umm... can someone explain to me how this is even possible, besides the fact that Ben Swine REALLY wanted to create an operation scene on a living human?

>>743741407
It along with E33 are the best RPGs of this decade so far

reminder that this russian guy has been seething about this game for, what, 5 years? since early access started at least

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>>743753532
my favorite book is Don Quixote
What's yours? You do read, right anon?

>>743754376
Why?

>>743754376
Its russian "patriotism". Since owlkek are russian, even if they hide away in Cyprus because Cyprus is a russian offshore, he feels compulsion to defend russian slop and shit on anything that is not russian.

>>743752158
You can raid the grove with the goblins in Act 1. A consequence of this is that Karlach will explode because Dammon isn't alive to fix her.
You can make Shadowheart kill the Nightsong in Act 2. A consequence of this is that Jaheira will die and Minsc by extension because she's not around to make him trust you in Act 3.
I don't really get what you're asking for here. Yes the game's plot will converge on the issues of the Emperor, Orpheus, and the Netherbrain because that's the pressing issue. There is no reasonable way for the game's story to branch away from the final battle because the Netherbrain will kill everyone if you don't stop it. Are you suggesting that the game should take the decision out of your hands? "Sorry you are not allowed to choose the Good dialogue choice because you were very naughty up until now, so you are forced to embrace Bhaal"?
You can side with the Absolute at pretty much every opportunity, only being forced to fight the final boss because the Netherbrain kills Gortash.

>>743754439
Russians (and chinks and arabs) have a massive chip on their shoulder and hold grudges against what they call the collective West, they must fight this boogeyman at every waking moment.

>>743754405
NTA. I like Rabelais' Gargantua and Pantagruel.

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>>743753819
> >writing
Writing is objectively the weakest part of BG3 because it was made by a literal zoomer troon
> >characters
Comes with writing and they are terrible. They all are special snowflakes observed by the Gods themselves
The only decent one is frog and she is B tier at best in comparison with real CRPG companions.
> >diversity
Are talking about the woke stuff or gameplay and build variety?
if it's woke then yeah, it's one of the wokest games on the market on par with Dustborn and Mixtape.
But gameplay and build variety is abysmally shallow because you are limited as fuck.
There are a few archetypes but they all play the same, like there are no real difference between barb bers thrower, barb giant thrower and EK fighter thrower. It is the same build.
> >encounter design
> >combat system
No, just no. It is fucking bad and it is piss easy. They true way to play this game is solo honor, but it only means that this game is poorly designed around full group of characters which makes the whole game easy as fuck.

>>743754439
because he's been psyopped by his state to fight its culture war for them. he's a good little goy

>>743754405
Why are you on /v/? You obviously don’t have time to game unless you’re a NEET

>>743754541
Lmaooo

>>743754405
humiliating post but youre probably too dumb to understand why

>>743754560
Nice, I've not read Rabelais but he's on my to-read. Maybe he'll be my next doorstopper after I finish Faerie Queene
>>743754594
I read about 2-3 hours a day and game at night with friends a few days a week. Currently doing another Terraria playthrough with a couple bros.
>>743754605
sure buddy. favorite book tho?

>>743751572
the KILL EVERYTHING ending for the Durge feels lacking. there's so much shit going on in Toril that I seriously doubt that it will be that easy to KILL EVERYTHING and get that post ending scene. especially since mr Big Boss Death himself is breathing down your neck the entire game and Bhaal is basically liquid snake or some shitter spawn of death.
It lacks finesse. it's not very Durge like.

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>>743754307
>>743745938

>>743753768
1.1k+ hours
Still didn't finish the easy as fuck achievements, let alone beat honor mode
Stop gooning and play the goddamn game faggot

>>743754938
Based33 is a great game

>>743754237
Anon the guy on the table git got by the shadows same as the one that reaches Last Light and is bedridden. Their minds are affected, them not being fully corrupted is simply a matter of time.

>>743754237
certainly:
he was the first healthy fuck meat in a 100 years and the nurses were very thirsty. Since they're all Shar devotees they prayed to Shar for dick and she rewared them by preventing the shadows from devouring him, instead the nurses are the ones doing it.
What Malus is doing is just a send off after the nurses had their fill.

>>743745724
>Rollplay a dumb ass
>Not immersed whe the game treats you like a retard who isn't paying attention

What's the issue?

>>743754938
>racemixing ork and tiefling
still not sure if this image is satire or not

>>743754169
>buzzword buzzword buzzword
You are a parody

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>>743755027
No, he is fucking not.
He has humanoid type and Malus+Nurses are undead type. Malus is resistant to necrotis and fire, and nurses to fire just like every other under and he is not
Both hist portrait and model has zero undead features.

He is clearly not a UNDEAD.

>>743755105
> Since they're all Shar devotees they prayed to Shar
They are barely functional undead, friend. They have zero understanding of what happens and can't pray properly.

>>743754568
wotr is more woke than bg3. the second named character you meet is a tranny and your boss for the first half is a lesbian. there are more colored and diverse people in wotr as a whole as well.

but it's not easy to notice - everything in wotr is ugly, unlike bg3 where you have many good looking characters and then suddenly BAM ugly. you could probably argue that the diversity is more impactful in bg3 in this way, but it would be hard to argue anything else: it's a notably less diverse game.
>build
wotr/rt actually have pretty weak build variety, despite having many different classes and perk choices: nearly all of them are minor variations equivalent to a single magic item in bg3. locking build variety behind class and perk selection was... definitely a choice that the devs made. and instead of treasure and gear providing build utility while the base class provides roleplay, you end up making a fighter/monk/dragonkin/wizard and it's just a bg3 bard with an amulet.
but a lot of guys don't realize this, they see 40 classes and think wow so much build variety. especially autistic types who get decision paralysis, they are wow'd by the class and perk choices and don't realise the build variety is low.

RT is even worse in this aspect, it's the weakest in build diversity despite having 40 levels and hundreds of perks.

>>743755317
Are you a bot, i never said that he was undead.

>>743755317
>img
>perfectly healthy
Seems a touch disingenuous

>>743741407
It was an excellent RPG, top 5 of all time.

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>>743755487
> wotr is more woke than bg3.
It is woke, but not more woke
BG3 has themes as deadnaming, squatter rights, satanism apology, troon voice actors, cuck shit all around.
Also WOTR is still a great game and BG3 is terrible and woke shit makes it even worse
>>743755396
> wotr/rt actually have pretty weak build variety
Lol. Lmao even
>>743755487
> nearly all of them are minor variations equivalent to a single magic item in bg3
No they are not. Also WOTR has a shit ton cool magic items
And in balls hurt gay 3 there are BIS gear and the REST
Like if you are playing monk you WILL BE using WIS to DMG boots no matter what. It's your only choice

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>>743741407
Compared to the others that were available around the time? Yes.

>>743755775
This poster seems mentally well adjusted

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>>743755834
> Compared to the others that were available around the time?
Rogue trader was released the same year though

>>743755916
Sure was

>>743755396
okay then, new take:
that guy was a selune devotee and Shar was feeling extra spiteful that night.
alternatively Malus was the one that prayed for the nurses and he sat on the chair smiling like the sick fuck doctor he is while they drained him.

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>>743745791
why you didnt kill the devil fat bitch? you are already playng as dark orgy. just kill her to gain the power up.

>>743753819
you're arguing with a schizo that has made it his life's goal to waste his entire time moaning about bg3 on /v/

>>743753532
>t. loves Gatsby

>>743741407
Yes, but act 3 is an irredeemable slog.

>>743741407
This is the same ruskie bait thread that the sad fuck keeps posting. Stop.

>>743755916
Let's not joke around, shall we? While Rogue Trader is a good game(now that they've fixed a lot of the bugs) it is a lesser game when compared to BG3.

>>743756242
>act 3 is an irredeemable slog
Act 3 has a lot of great parts but the problem is the pacing which makes it feel off and disjointed.

>>743753998
As others have said the entire first week the game officially released the catalogue was full to the brim of threads drooling over Shadowheart's tight innie and jet black pubes. No mods required.

>>743756439
Howcome i did not see any of that? Seriously. You people go out of your way to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

>>743741407
>>743741472
Goodness yes.

>>743756560
maybe if you actually played the game you'd have noticed that you daft cunt

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>>743756640
Stop being a disingenuous cunt. Answer the question or fuck off.

>>743745724
>the game assumes you picked every dialogue option and know every detail about the fucking orphic hammer after talking to the devil.
or maybe the game assumes you're a fucking retard both in game and irl

>>743756764
open the game, click on shadowheart, remove all her clothes
you could have done this by yourself 100 times over by now
yet you have the gall to call others disingenuous

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if you have half a brain and metagame its a breeze, fuck larian homebrew

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>>743741407
It is a trash RPG and Swen Vincke is a cryptojew. That said, I hope that Divinity: BLACKED flops and they have to shut down their degenerated garbage studio.

>>743757020
It'll be a great game just like Witcher 4 and chuds will cope

what's your go-to party composition for heroic mode?

>>743756560
>Howcome i did not see any of that?
You did not see the threads or you did not see Shadowheart's bush?
>>743756439
There were also a lot of Lae'zel threads. I'd even say that /v/ is more of a Lae'zel board and /vg/ was more of a Shadowheart board.

>>743757020
elf pussy can't be that good

>>743757020
>I-IS THAT SEX??!?!
>IN MY VIDEO GAME?!?!?
>AAAHHHHHHHH MY EYES
>THIS IS DEGENERATE
>LITERALLY NOBODY DOES SEX IN REAL LIFE AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>743757091
>/v/ is more of a Lae'zel board
How? Lae'zel is ugly as fuck

>>743756927
Why would i remove all her clothes? Why would i have such compulsion? Sure, i'll take off her armor and swap things around, but why would i take off her clothes?
Are you telling me your whole point of argument is that you are a pervert and you expect others to be perverts too?

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What are the lore implications of shart getting gnomed?

>>743757185
your bait was believable but you went full retard
never go full retard

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>>743756296
No.
No it is not.
It has better writing, better combat, better build variety, better setting and even better music
The only thing Balls Hurt Gay 3 is better that is the amount of mocap and voice acting

>>743757281
You're delusional. I am sorry. You need to talk with your parents so they can send you to a clinic.

>>743757281
RT is great but you are delusional and should be sent to the frontlines

>>743757281
1.4 billion

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>>743757356
>>743757405

>>743752834
Tiefling, ey? Daring, aren't we?
>>743753585
Swen leading the player to an adventure, lame

>>743757216
Viconia got gnomed as well, he fucked her established character traits from bg1 and 2 straight out of the picture
damn that gnome

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>>743757173
>Lae'zel is ugly as fuck
Nah, she cute, fun, has a great voice, is well written and has pretty eyes.

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>>743755775
you're delusional. look at the actual data:
half of what you said is a hysterical rant ("bg3 is terrible"... why? how?) and the other half is extremely minor points blown up out of proportion (squatter rights, which is a dozen lines of missable dialogue 60 hours into the game... vs wotr which has no end to worse offenders e.g. strong black fighter woman as your very first mandatory party member (game over if she dies in the tutorial).

again, you probably just didn't notice it in wotr because everything is zoomed out and you can't see shit. and that's fine. but it doesn't change the facts.

>WOTR has a shit ton of cool magic items
cool. name two. here is what named wotr items actually look like. +X to attack really gives build variety

>balls hurt gay 3
uh oh melty

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>>743757227
>bait
Where?

>>743757506
tell me you want to fuck a frog without telling me you want to fuck a frog

>>743757506
She's definitely an interesting and fun character but she's not that physically attractive. Shadowheart and Minthara are far more attractive than her.

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>>743757154
>mmmmm BBC
>I'm drooling
>t.faggot

>>743752834
sorcerer tiefling is trans coded, real men play barb or fighter

>>743757563
Where do you think you are?

>>743757586
There is more than just visual attraction, she is not a picture. She is a character with a story, voice and unique animated mannerisms.

When will owlkeks stop seething?

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>>743757525
> "bg3 is terrible"... why?
it has piss poor writing with your typical Californian fantasy.
It has a terrible boring and easy combat without challenge and you HAVE TO self impose it even if you don't minmax, but if you minmax then you don't have any challenge whatsoever.
Its characters are boring VERY special snowflakes
It has no ending slides
It has terrible passing and the act3 is reeks of marvel shit
This scene FFS
> here is what named wotr items actually look like
Yeah. Most of them cool and to a lot of stuff in comparison with bg3 items
Have you even read your own screen?

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>>743757705
I've played this shit for every possible race(besides halfling) and class to find all it's flaws

>>743757828
orin would 100% shapeshift into a guy while you're fucking her. the question is if she would shapeshift in a way so your dicks dock or would she just snap it off and fuck your prostate hole with her dick instead.

>>743757825
When Russia stops being a shithole, so never

>>743741407
Yeah

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>>743757963
>I've played this shit for every possible race
insanely based behavior
i concede all of my points

>>743757825
When russia gets final solution'd by zesty chinks.

>>743757506
she is ugly af
her nose is all retarded like the Woll Smoth
meme

>>743757708
Alex Jones was right
They really did make the frogs gay

>>743757828
i never noticed how low budget the cutscenes are. This is worse than a source filmmaker animation

>>743741407
it was the nortubel of rpgs

>>743753719
Mindflayer powers is literally a single check, they do not matter at fucking all, they're a net benefit all round and the game really REALLY wants you to fucking eat them. You only get any kind of visual feedback if you eat the white one. Meanwhile the actual mindflayer transformation isn't even linked with the tadpoles at all.

>>743758312
If you never noticed it for a 70 hour game then it's probably not a big problem

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>>743757828
All of your points fall flat when your go and praise the stuff shat out by owlcrap, pure dishonesty.

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>>743758430
Buffs are coll
Not having ability to sack buffs is woke
This steals the powerfantasy and caster's might

>>743758426
i never played the game

>>743758430
>casts all the stat buffing spells
they don't work anyway, because you're all wearing belts which already buff these stats
>casts random protection/resist spells
pointless
>casts shield of faith
your rings already do that for you, pointless
>casts all the false life spells
lol
lmao even
try to be genuine at least, faglord

>>743741407
Yes

>>743758663
Neither have I

>>743741407
It's good but E33 is better

>>743757828
>no reading comprehension
anon i was not actually asking you to explain why. i was pointing out that you made apparently hysterical statements without any justification.
full context: >half of what you said is a hysterical rant ("bg3 is terrible"... why? how?)
it's too late now to provide the explanation, you already made your melty and got called out.

for the record, your justifications for "terrible" are either disputable ("a terrible boring and easy combat" ... hard to prove), trivial ("no ending slides" ... so what?) or somewhere between subjective opinion and flat out wrong ("characters are boring").
notable is the complete absence of anything that can concretely be laid out (contrast with my statement that wotr has more diverse characters: you can simply count the % and it's either right or wrong. how do you decide "boring" in a real way?).
I think you are just having an emotional moment. take a deep breath and let it pass: you simply did not like bg3 for whatever reason, that's something you can learn to live with, other people don't have your problems.

>most of them cool and [sic]
the context of 'cool items' was items which add build variety. you were supposed to provide two.
Either you missed this because of your poor reading comprehension. or you actually believe Bug Crusher is a cool magic item

Owlkek pathfinder games have terribe gameplay, but rogue trader is pretty good but ridiculously long

Every other conversation had 7 choices, none of which I wanted to say, and the logical, common sense option was missing, so no.

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>>743757091
/v/ became a Lae'zel board but there was a war here at first. Shadowheart is just very conventionally beautiful and that's hard to get around when your other options are a chick covered in burn scars and a frog.

Of course Lae'zel's VA is really pretty and that video came out of her in the recording booth acting out Lae'zel's mannerisms like a violent, spastic autist and /v/ was immediately smitten.

Then people played the game more and figured out the Bae'zel's romance is the best one in the game after you get past the thorny exterior and the war was won, but it took a while.

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>>743759472
And non of them actually matter

>>743759454
True

I liked BG3 a lot. Is DOS2 worth giving a shot? I don't know anything about the backstory or d&d

>>743758768
Not that guy but are you really trying to imply that any run in Kingmaker or WotR doesn't have you cast half a dozen to a dozen prep spells before most fights? Cause you're wrong, and it does.

>>743759835
Yes it's pretty good

>>743741407
Only in the 1st Act. You are actually given factions and different routes to pick from in Act 1 that make a good and evil playthrough feel distinct from each other. This all ends in Act 2.

You can choose to kill everyone at the inn. Which just results in less content for a evil character. Both a good or evil character get free reign of the Keep like they belong there, both get betrayed after freeing the night song, both become enemy of the 3 and Absolute. Both become emporers bitch even if you never ate a tadpole. Act 3 is even more empty as a evil playthrough with no alternative content.

If I was to compare BG3 among RPGs, I would put along RPGs with very basic black and white morality rather than RPGs that have actual choices and factions. Games like Fable or Fallout 3 for example. It's console slop design honestly.

>>743759835
It's pretty unlike BG3 while still being a cRPG...I would say that it's hard to recommend it on the basis that you really liked BG3.

At the same time I wouldn't say you wouldn't maybe like it...I think it's the lesser game graphically, combat wise, and story wise, but it's still good, just...different.

Basically who knows, buy it and try it for 2 hours then give it back if you're not feeling it.

>>743760086
Fallout 3 is fucking great. And so is BG3

>>743760086
>a good and evil playthrough
there's no such thing in bg3.
first, there's no clear good or evil choice even in act 1. second, there's no coherent playthrough - there are no diverting routes. all that happens is some npcs disappear. from later acts and there are some mentions in conversation. there's nothing like what a route would usually be (different maps or zones, different bosses etc.)

>>743759872
It does, that's why most of the players install Bubblebuffs and it stops being a problem. But I'm pointing out that the poster is not genuine at all.

>>743760808
there's a lot of guys who refuse to use those mods.
and actually, it could be seen as a design decision by the devs: the number of buffs you apply is limited not by some game mechanics but by the sheer tedium it takes to apply them

>>743759835
>Is DOS2 worth giving a shot?
I dropped it after completing the first act. I think its not worth trying.

>>743741407
One of the best

>>743753719
Tell me how many NPCs look at your deformed and veiny face and gives any kind of different reaction to someone who takes zero(0) worms

>>743763780
is there even one?

>>743741407
The story is a convoluted mess, the companions are insufferable, the character models are as intentionally ugly as possible, and the inventory management is a travesty of clutter that will inconvenience you for a third of your total play. The only aspects of the game that makes it touchable is the combat & the fact you can play it with friends.

>>743741407
in terms of choice making, reactivity and interactivity, yes. the main story isn't very good, though I think it's kind of an ME2 scenario where you're expected to be invested in the companions and their stuff more than the main plot, which worked on me for the most part. only companions I wasn't huge on was Wyll, Jaheria and Minsc (liked em in 2 but they were just out of place in 3)

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>>743765970
Exactly~

>>743759528
Lae'zel was false advertising because Githyanki are literally a race of sluts in lore and they even advertised her in early access as a weird alien chick who will fuck anyone only for her to be rewritten as violently monogamous. Then they made the obviously designated vanilla girl okay with poly which led to a shitstorm we still feel the effects of to this day.

>>743741407
The game overall is good but the story is dogshit, you just play it for shadowheart and the gameplay

>>743767058
this but frog

>>743760275
>there's no clear good or evil choice even in act 1.
Provided without further comment.

>>743767028
>the obviously designated vanilla girl
shart was originally a slutty goth masochist. someone post the early voice audition description

>>743767028
She is a slut though, she jumps into your bed as soon as she can and she fucks someone at the act 1 party if you won't sleep with her and then tells you all the details. Shadowheart doesn't have a sex scene until act 3, it's the most vanilla choice.

>>743754507
>Karlach
>Shadowheart
>Jaina
How about your oc character? How does their story change? Yeah the dev self-inserts have their storylines and changes, but (You) don't. The grand story doesn't change if you go full murderhobo and massacre everyone. You can't even be actually evil and join the bad guys.
Only genuine story changing choice is turning Gale into a nuke in Act 2.

>>743767321
>he didn't play dark urge
lol

>>743767321
>The grand story doesn't change if you go full murderhobo and massacre everyone.
the world-shaking god-brain is not affected by some murder out in the boonies: shocking, i know.

>>743767310
I didn't say Shadowheart wasn't Vanilla, I'm just saying the openess to certain things caused a shit storm. And yeah Lae'zel fucks fast but the fact she's so ardently monogamous at all is quite a twist for a Githyanki.

>>743767174
She was cattier, and she kissed faster but that was sort of written as her character purposefully trying to twist you towards favoring her without her actually having to reveal anything about herself.

>>743741407
Becomes more disappointing as time goes on. It was carried by a huge hype wave and social media presence. I'm actually starting to appreciate 1&2 more now.

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I like the game, but how do 50k+ people still play this daily? there isn't THAT much replayability

>>743767321
>you can't even be evil
You actually can, though. You can take control of the elder brain for yourself & do whatever the hell you want with it; enslave the populace of baldur's gate murder everyone, do anything with it. And honestly, the game has given me very little reason not to do this considering that every single character is either retarded, evil, an asshole, or all of the above. Baldur's Gate 3 is a world devoid of beauty. No one here deserves "freedom".

>>743767926
Damn

>>743741476
I ain't installing it again though

>>743741407
I wouldnt know i dont play low quality porn games.
And especially now woke ones.

>>743767926
it hit the normie cycle. bunch of dads and kids play it during 30-60 minutes of daily video games

>>743767743
She was like that in EA. I'm talking about something else: an early audition sheet for voice actors, pre-EA. I'm sure someone has it floating around - i didn't save it.

>>743767926
>there isn't THAT much replayability
There is an option get a lot done in one playthrough. But if you went through the game quick while only taking one or two detours between the main story there are significant tangents you can go on. Like you could do ALL of mountain pass, go back and do ALL of Underdark but most people only did one or the other, and even then not everything possible on a given path. If you play like that then there is an ungodly level of replayability.

Plus people actively use it as a stand in for a DnD campaign.

>>743768046
A shitload of women bought the game just to play dress-up.

>>743768162
>women

>>743768261
My bad. Actual men play it with Realms Restored only.

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>>743768342
Looked into realms restored, and found this. There's no way the vanilla game has a githyanki with that negro skin thing, right?

>>743768613
that's a negro [sic] skin thing?
i thought it was just burn marks.

i haven't played without RR for a long time (nta)

>>743767926
Imagine how long you'd take if you want to play as much of the game as you can but also play with friends so you just fuck about half the time.

>>743768685
Vitiligo is a rare skin condition that causes random melanin loss on patches of skin that can slowly spread. Most famously seen in Michael Jackson. While it doesn't only affect black people they have the most dramatic effects visually for obvious reasons. It became easy brownie points for representation so it suddenly popped up fucking everywhere in videogames during the DEI craze.

>>743768613
Vitiligo is one of those oppression olympics features they feel like adding into every modern game, so the mod removes that garbage. It overhauls the game to look like a lore accurate Sword Coast. It's not supposed to have people from Chult (negroes) everywhere, nor should elves look weird. Elven subraces have very specific racial specs. The drow in BG3 don't even look dark enough because WotC thinks it's racist to have sexy obsidian skin drows, so now they are all light blue or lavender. It's funny, they all look like half-drow now in 5.5e D&D. Also half-elves were removed, even though they were the most popular player race in D&D. WotC is retarded.

>>743769415
isn't shart a half-elf?
and drow were originally a sex dungeon type race, their entire origin lore is borderline pornographic. what are they in the newest revision?

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>>743768613
It is
Because the game is woke as fuck and it has EVERY woke checkmark possible
There are more NPCs with subsaharan phenotype than not

>>743769806
>Rare condition
>Somehow the main characters always run into someone with it

>>743769753
how does anything work in new lore? no halfsies, stats gentrified across the board with elves being the most busted due to not needing sleep, there's legitimately no reason to be anything besides elf, tiefling or anything else with darkvision, racism is over so you don't stand out as a knife ear or whatever the fuck, everyone loves goblins now too

>>743769927
cool, so can i have sex with the goblins

>>743769976
No, because they look like children. But you can with animals

>>743770052
what the fuck

>>743769753
>and drow were originally a sex dungeon type race
They still are. Modern WotC is owned by a toy company so they are actively trying to avoid D&D's foundations by writing all kinds of retcon garbage that nobody but normies that tagged along with 5th edition takes seriously. WotC also ruled that anything published before 2014 (before 5e) is non-canon, but the truth is that 99% of the lore belongs to pre-2014. They've simplified the game so much and don't even bother with lore, so there isn't much going with the 5e. Youtubers like Mr.Rhexx have to dig up most of their lore from pre-5e. Ed Greenwood, the creator of Forgotten Realms, ignores all of this modern garbage too, and runs his home games permanently in the 1350 DR, before even Time of Troubles (BG1&2), before massive corporate retcons. He publishes new books on Realmsbound which is a legal loophole that allows him to publish whatever he wants about the realms without WotC being able to say no. Modern D&D is basically split in the old canon and the new Hasbro retcons.

>>743741407
BG3 was good, but I wish it was better.

>Evil route is a complete excuse, and Swen talking it up was a Todd Howard-level lie
>Karlach feels like she was made in the last 5 minutes.
>Mintharra has no content
>Cazador is a complete disappointment.
>The Emperor is a complete disappointment.
>Shadowheart has been made mid after the Early Access.
>Wyll exists.
>Endings added to the game in a patch long after the release.

Did they need another year to finish the game or something?

>>743769753
The reason Shadowheart is half-elf is because Larian started making the game in 2018, which was 4 years after 5e was released. It was made with the 2014 5th edition mind, which still had half-elves. But the 2024 5.5e refresh removed them, and also butchered countless of other things. I think WotC is finding out right now that not too many people are buying their woke books...

>>743770274
That's pretty standard to CRPGs. Owlcat did the same shit for mythic paths in Wotr

>>743770132
the game mechanics themselves (5e) are a pretty big improvement over the previous wotc iteration (3.5e) in about every way you can measure it. adnd is probably better, but adnd had its own issues - have you ever gone through a combat with that? it takes ages and that's if everyone is ready.

personally, i like odnd style, with the high fatality, the hirelings, the treasure-based levelups. in contrast, adnd gets a little cartoon superhero-y as soon as you get out of the very early few levels. and if you're going to go that way, you might as well use 5e because 5e is - mechanically, in terms of player experience - a better system.

but my question was about the drow lore. i'm familiar with some of the earlier works and fiction, but that wasn't in forgotten realms: it was in greyhawk. a setting much superior to fr

>>743770537
By the way Larian did a pretty based thing. They added the real drow obsidian skin color in the game as an option. They respected the lore even if they didn't have to. I'm pretty sure WotC told them to make the light blue standard skin color because woke racism scare, but Larian went around a lot of these decisions by giving the player a choice.

The "high elf" race by the way is actually not even a thing in the old lore. High elf is what a ignorant peasant would call them because he doesn't know any better, but they are actually sun elves and moon elves,which are drastically different. Under the high elf options they gave you pale skin and blue hair, which is a nod to the moon elves, even if WotC tried to bury them. In the older lore Moon elves were by far the most common elf you would encounter, but they got wiped out by WotC retcons.

>>743741472
>can't even ask where you are when you get to the grove
lmao this is a trash rpg

>>743741407
I played laezel, astarion, Shadowhart , Minthara in my first playthrough and i didnt realize how much faggotry i evaded until my second play around.

>>743770904
Moon elves are wood elves.

Only issue I had with bg3 is the evil path is pretty boring after the first act since you can't really side with the evil choice due to plot reasons

>>743741472
/thread
I'd need paid to even pirate this garbage again

>>743771076
Moon elves are adventurous and widespread and least hostile to other races. Wood elves are primitive and stick to their wooded enclaves and don't really even practice magic. They won't kill you because you are human but will definitely hide their settlements, and spot you before you do, and ask what's your business in their woods. The real high elves, the sun elves, are so rare that you basically don't see them anywhere. They are in Evermeet and Evereska. You might see a few in Silverymoon or Waterdeep. They are basically Nazi elf wizards who practice high magic. You 0% of chance of courting their women so don't even try. They looked down on Elminster when he visited Evermeet.

>>743741407
No. It was buggy and pandered to degenerates

>>743741407
I liked it. It was fun for me, and that's all that matters :)

>>743767601
So your choices doesn't matter in any shape or form for the grand story.
Great.

>>743746541
> And even when you are evil and slaughter people, you can always 180 and become a good guy.
Blatantly false. Baldur's Gate 3 gives you a shitton of options to be evil.
You can abandon the Tieflings or partake in the slaughter of the. You can let children die. You can sell the light cleric to her father so that they can turn her into a mindless puppet without a will of her own. You can have Shadowheart damn her soul and give her life to Shar. You can sell the Angel to a wizard so that she's his sex slave that he siphons immorality from. You can take over Baldur's Gate and carve out your own empire.
And those are just the "big" choices you can make.
At any time, you can kill, rob, or loot basically any NPC in the game. You can mind control NPCs with the friends and charm spells. You can defile the dead by forcing their corpses to give you answers.
>B-but you can still turn good later, even if you pick an evil option!
Yeah, and? Every CRPG is like that. I literally don't understand your point here. Dragon Age Origins for example is praised for how much player choice you're given, but if we follow your logic, then the evil options don't matter because you can be good later.

>>743767321
>You can't even be actually evil and join the bad guys.

>Help the Cult of the Absolute raid the Druid Grove
>Help the Cult of the Absolute massacre Last Light's Inn
>Attend Gortash's coronation and ally with him all the way up to the point the Netherbrain kills him
>Take control of the Netherbrain and dominate Baldur's Gate
I'm sure you are going to move the goalposts and explain how all of this isn't actually evil

>>743773283
>Yeah, and?
Its not very realistic, and means your previous actions hold no real consequences. Killing innocents should hold real weight and not be just 25xp drop. Even as a Paladin you can most of the time kill civilians without consequences.

>>743754849
It's video game fan service. Realmspace has so many powerful beings that a level 12 character could never do such a thing. Pretty sure Ao would put a stop to it. Even if things looked hopeless they would break "cosmic laws" and go back in time to kill you.

>>743773173
what did you expect?
mugging some random guy at the docks isn't going to change the course of a war.

it's a level 1 -> level 12 adventure, but it would be interesting if you could make a impact for later on. maybe minthara returns to the underdark and invades baldur's gate, taking the crown, you now have to fight her, or demons, or something else entirely - maybe the final map isn't in bg but in the deep underdark.

but this isn't LUCT. it's a CRPG. crpg are generally linear games where your impact is limited to companions and dialogue and endgame state

>>743773565
>starslop lost
oh yeah that game came out too, didn't it. I wonder how todd is feeling

>>743773520
Is this true? In BG1&2 when your reputation hits rock bottom and you will get waves of hostile NPCs coming at you forever.

>>743773373
And you can't stay as part of Absolute or become leader for it. You have to be the hero and kill Thorm. You can't join him nor take his role as a leader. Game just doesn't have branching paths for evil route, you just do evil thing and then in the next big moment expects you to be the hero rather than even once saying "no, its too late, you have done irreparable stuff."
Same as with respec that is available as soon as Wither is available. You cannot be evil because you can always be good afterwards because the long lasting consequences don't exist. And
>Attend Gortash's coronation and ally with him all the way up to the point the Netherbrain kills him
Choosing to ally with him doesn't really change anything in the end. You can't be evil with him.

The devs were just scared people would get angry that their choices would have actual negative effects on the storyline, so nothing matters. You can't make a bad or evil decision that seriously fucks you up later in the game. Its just the end choice that is Mass Effect 3 "choose your color"-tier ending. You cannot be evil when game doesn't treat you as evil.
It doesn't matter if you are murderhobo or the goodest of paladins when you can just do the good or bad ending in the end.

Act1 was one of the best incarnations of DND in vidya form.

Explain whats wrong with act 2 and 3
Hardmode: no buzzwords

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>>743741407
This is easily one of the best Roleplaying games ever made, it has such a strong overall package, it fires on all cylinders the kind of RPG you get once every generation. Still i hope for more to come.

Gameplay is simply put peerless among its genre, the turnbased combat is one of the best systems ever put into a video game, the interactivity and flexibility in gameplay is unrivaled and makes replaying it so much fun, rich rpg mechanics, smooth animations and multiple ways to solve problems puts it at the top.

World design is phenomnal, each dungeon, area, encounter, act has a varied environment with distinct art style, visuals and theme, exploration is worthwhile and rewards you with unique handcrafted content, enemy and boss variety is top tier, puzzles are neat and engaging, lots of secrets to uncover, lots of optional content well hidden and well designed.

Music is soothing to my ears, the soundtrack is great, tons of memorable tracks and songs.
Voice acting is top of the line, with characters like Astarion, Khethric, Raphael and the narrator being on top of their game

Presentation is top tier among crpgs and provides engaging cutscenes that make you feel you are closer to the characters and allows you to seem them as more relatable and more humane, great graphics too.
Great writing that feels reactive, fun, engaging and interesting with tons of memorable and cool quests to tackle, characters to meet and lore to dig into, dialogue that is so rich that it will be hard to have the same lines if you do a 2nd playthrough, there will always be new lines to react to how you play.
Beautiful looking art style for environments and characters, from green looking forests to underground mystical looking areas to dark twisted lands, to volcanic dungeons and huge cities it will never feel dull.

Masterpiece and this will save the CRPG genre in a time of need where most of the big vets left the game or shat their beds.