There's still no equal to this day. And you'd think after 80 million copies sold, the market would be teeming with competitors.
>>743743286There is no equal but there is a superior: Gothic (remake).
>>743743380You mean the OG Gothic games. Not the soulless remake with the schizophrenic lockpicking game.
>>743743380Cope, gothic tranny
>>743743443The lockpicking is not schizophrenic. It's fairly consistent though it was pretty difficult, but I think they adjusted it in later patches, it felt much more reasonable. It was also the opposite of soulless.
>>743743286Agreed, and it makes me sadIt's a perfect recipe and no one copies it
>>743743719Why would you make a system that in no shape or form functions as a real lock while on top being a linked puzzle? I can pick locks in real life; the lockpicking makes no sense. If a lock were "linked", no key would be able to open it, as the tumblers normally are manipulated through individual positioning; otherwise, the lock would be impossible to actually open. To make matters worse, there is no way around it. It's not fun; it's overly slow and tedious and the difficulty degrees are basically moot as they are ALL a puzzle.Bad design. There's a reason Gothic 1 is a classic and they shouldn't have fucked with it.
Normalnigger classic
>>743743286Every single video game made after skyrim is a copy of skyrim. The witcher, assasin's creed, harry potter, dragon age, GTA, dark souls, god of war, final fantasy...All I see when I play them is retextured skyrim.
>>743743706Be grateful Gothic never was popular in the US and on consoles, cause people would have seen the travesty that Elder Scrolls games are. They were mogged hard by Gothic decades ago. They got mogged hard by recent games such as Witcher and KCD.The elder scrolls is a series running on fumes, and those fumes have been running out for a while.Starfield was shit, and whatever new game Bethesda makes it will be another obsolete shit, because the industry is at least one decade beyond their shitty engine.
>>743743842It's a minigame just like countless other lockpicking mini games. It was too hard by default since there were too many interlinked plates, but they addressed that.
>>743743732It's legitimately baffling that no one sees how loved the Eurasian setting in an age of civilization decline and myth is. Everything else in the genre it seems is all about unreal landscapes with no footing whatsoever in our world and everyone gets along and isn't racist and distrusting of strangers.
>>743744157Gothic and Risen lockpicking minigames were already perfect. The multi-plate system is so schizophrenically unrelated to real lockpicking that you might as well make people solve a bejeweled, tetris or pipe connect minigame.
>>743743286Witcher 3 mogged it 11 years ago
>>743744390>EurasianDo You Have the Slightest Idea How Little That Narrows It Down, Pickle Sucker?
lmao OP's thread turned into a Gothic lockpicking shitfling 2 posts in
>>743744545>bamham collectathon slopyeah, naw
>>743744486I don't remember the Risen one but the Gothic one was lock + simple memorization. Passable.This one requires some brain power.I hate it with a passion at first and made a big thread about it on steam. However, after patches and investing in lock picking it became quite solid.it's still not perfect (some locks are too hard relative to their loot, and the lock difficulty indicator feels way off sometimes) but it's solid overall.Another example of changes for the better in the remake in addition to the much improved combat is the economy. It makes cheesing the game more difficult, in a way that feels fair.
>>743743286It is weird how there’s no first person open world rpgs besides Skyrim. There’s tainted grail fall of Avalon but that’s it.
>>743744551Well I meant Eurasian as in that which is shared by both Europe and Asia. So no deserts or tropical forests. Basically just steppe, mountain ranges and arctic regions.
>>743744796Kingdome Come: the game Elder Scrolls wishes it could be, minus the fantasy.
>>743744089>because the industry is at least one decade beyond their shitty engine.Dumbfuck, they're running on CE3. It can do working ladders effortlessly now, it's the best engine in the biz.
>>743744089>he thinks Gothic was a contenderbro it was outdated the day it came out what are you talking about, janky ass game that germans praised as the second coming of christ cause it was the first game they actually understood (localizations were abysmal back in the day, this was their product)the game is overrated and viewed through nostalgia goggles, be honest with yourself
But deserts can be good too, they just have to be well executed. Lots of real life examples to mine from, the carved facades of Petra and ancient Egyptian tombs buried by the sands over time. And Hammerfell has lots of mountain ranges so some tribute to Tibetan-style temples would be cool. I'm hopeful 6 will carry the torch ambience wise, albeit Souleless.
>>743744648It's better than Skyrim
>>743744917You can can't really roleplay as anything but Henry. It's a Henry-simulator. In TES, you can always disregard the main storyline and be a dunmer skooma addict that survives on hunting rats or whatever
>>743743286>after 80 million copies soldonly because they rereleased it 79 million times
>Everyone sounds the same the game
>>743745589>small studio with small pool of talent>delivers industry-defining game that is played by hundreds of thousands more than a decade after release>"b-but everyone sounds the s-same!!1"Some people are just never satisfied.
>>743745242The controls were messed up but they were much better than the original. Also, mentioning jank in the context of the elder scrolls games is 100% pure irony. The games have been jank since forever, except that games such as Gothic and Witcher 1 were considered "eurojank" while Bethesda got a pass despite being just as buggy, because it was "part of its charm".
>>743744089ooookay, relax Piotr
The sad truth is that suits can't figure out what makes it "special". They'll say it's because it has dragons or skill trees or a viking setting or whatever, when in actuality it's because it's an adventure simulator set in a somewhat believable world with rich lore where you create your own character to explore it.
>>743745717>>small studio with small pool of talentlol
>>743743286Anytime someone praises Skyrim I know I can safely ignore their opinions on just about everything. It's the most casual "babby's first game" shit imaginable.
>>743743380How many copies has it sold?
>>743745934okay, you're right, what should I play?
>>743746016You should have developed personal taste and research abilities and be able to answer that question yourself, but you didn't and can't because you are as I said - casual trash.
>>743746016>Spoonfeed meNo.
>>743745803>an adventure simulator set in a somewhat believable world with rich lore where you create your own character to explore it.The gaming jew fears this for some reason
>>743745934You have no imagination.
>>743746107I have a great imagination, I play shit like wizardry where half the game only exists in your head. I also have standards that Skyrim simply does not meet. At least Morrowind had some merit, but every new game they go more basic and casual.
>>743743286imo it's fine to like it but retards like OP pretending is some untouchable masterpiece are total NPCs
>tfw you're old enough to watch skyrim go from widely hated to ironically shilled on /v/
Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon was pretty good. a genuine indie gem
>>743746251Skyrim was never widely hated on /v/, a couple of contrarians at best.
>>743744716It's tedious, not stimulating. The lock mechanism seems to be made of machined metal, which looks out of place in a low fantasy medieval Europe setting.
>>743746298Didn't your mom teach you not to lie?
>>743746298you obviously weren't on /v/ when it came out and lying like this is honestly pathetic
>>743746298as soon as people saw the new levelling system of yellow - blue - red and perks, there was indeed a period where people lost their marbles at the casualization
>>743746064>>743746069If you're not going to answer, just dont reply.
>>743746510Why would I pass up an opportunity to make someone feel bad?
>>743746442I was on /v/ when it came out. It was insane how much /v/ loved Skyrim Dozens of Skyrim threads active at a time all full to the brim with glowing admiration for the game. Sure, you had a handful of nvtrannies and morrotards running around trying to convince people that they actually hated the game but nobody cared about them.
>want to replay>remember the hours setting up modsi hated setting up a modlist with a little over 100 mods and there are pure autismos out there with over 2k mods installedjesus fucking christ that takes dedication
>>743746298>>743746585You are new to 4chan.>tranniesYou newfags always double-down.
>>743746682>>remember the hours setting up modsWhy not just play vanilla?
>>743746585Quit lying
>>743743286you would think a sequel would have been out by 2016 at the latest, the past 15 years of Elder Scrolls history has been the most puzzling thing i've ever seen in 30 years of gaming. I can understand something like GTA being milked forever because people are still interested in the oldest ones but Elder Scrolls? no, they fucked that up.
>>743746573I will forget this in literally five minutes, you wont?
>>743746682thats because youre doing it manually when every other person uses wabbajack's or some other modlist installer
>>743746469People (such as myself) thought it was good evolving past the overstatification of previous games as that's in the way of enjoying what the games have always been about: full immersion in a familiar world that doesn't bog this down with static numbers that don't do anything in the way of enjoyability except for autistic control freaks. Games are for humans, not delusional trannies.
>>743746298lol, lmao even. newfag
>>743746786I've been shitting on Skyrim for 15 years so it will just recede into that warm pool of memories.
>>743746745Some "people" just can't bring themselves to play vanilla, because they lack a soul.
>>743746847And non casuals hate that people like you got catered to.
>>743746847Newfag can't stop spamming his favorite buzzword like a harry potter spell LMAO
>>743747038>>743747092Delusional numbers-obsessed trannies spotted.
>>743743286Morrowind and Oblivion are better
>>743744867>Well I meant Eurasian as in that which is shared by both Europe and Asia. So no deserts or tropical forests>Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Central Asia, India, Indochina, Malaysia, and Indonesia don't exist btwYou will never be European
>>743746745vanilla skyrim gameplay is absolute dogshit even though i want to keep it vanilla-ish as possible, also there are literal thousands of bugs that require multiple mods be fixed>>743746806never tried it, and aren't those wabbajack mods just full overhauls of the game?
>>743747180Why do you keep making such a big deal about being new to 4chan?
>>743747180>obsessed with tranniesNever gonna make it
>>743747180I am a person who actually likes videogames. You do not. You probably watch Marvel movies and listen to top 40. Totally soulless.
>>743747205>MorrowindUnderstandable opinion.>and OblivionFuck no. Oblivion is vastly inferior.
>>743747282Nothing wrong with some marvel movies though, you sniveling snob.
>>743743286not a good game and even a thousand mods doesn't make it any more enjoyable because the game is bad, not the visuals
Daggerfall(fuck those dungeons tho) and Morrowind are the only decent ones.
>>743747364I was right. It's true that not everyone is born with a soul. I guess I can't hold that against you, you're doing your best.
>>743747031holy raped visuals batman
>>743747419Anyone born after 2000 is just a souless automaton.
>There's still no equal to this dayWhat do you mean? Countless shitty games release daily on Steam.
>>743743286You can't replicate sovlThat soundtrack? I've heard asmongold play it often and he's never even played the gameSkyrim is a certified western classicModern modded skyrim? The greatest open world rpg on the marketIt's the truth
>>743747394Daggerfall is like playing procedurally generated Skyrim. 90% of its content is just that game version of radiant quests.
>>743747459You're a tasteless slug.
>>743747031Despite what you say, based on the filename you still chose to post an image of the modded game.
>>743747540>soundtrackIt actually has one?
>>743745803Suits don't play games. That's why.
>>743747540>Skyrim is a certified western classicThis. It should be mandatory playing for every European youth to know what their history is all about. Foundational, even.
>>743747692What did she mean by this? Have you never played Skyrim? Or are you just pretending to be retarded?
>>743747692You lost. feel free to post your inferior open world rpg
>>743747772not this but not unironically
>>743747773Literally can't remember any of it except for the trailer song
Even just the skybox + soundtrack makes for a more fulfilling experience than 99% of games. Walking in the fields in Skyrim is a gaming lesson in itself.
>>743743286Dogshite babies first RPG>>743745417That's really not saying much. Skyrim is so mediocre it's painful
>>743745803TES games are good because they are the perfect blend of sandbox and handmade content.They give a freedom close to games like M&B, Kenshi and Survival Crafting games, while also having an actual interesting world and interesting quests to engage in.Almost all AAA open world games are too linear and guided when compared to Tes games.The new 3D Zelda comes closer than any other, but they fail when it comes to making a "believable world". Hyrule is beautiful, has a great atmosphere, and it's full of things to explore, but it's also quite "gamey". They also fail in the quest department.Though, I don't think Nintendo was even trying to make the same thing, so it's not a criticism of BotW, just a comparison.
>>743748716>Though, I don't think Nintendo was even trying to make the same thing, so it's not a criticism of BotW, just a comparison.There were multiple mentions in the leadup and around release that they took inspiration and wanted to do something like Skyrim with BOTW, so I think it'd a fair comparison/criticism
>>743748174>Dogshite babies first RPGMorrowboomers think that technology limitations making a game necessarily harder and padding playtime by forcing tasks that should be trivial to the game's core gameplay makes for the peak of RPGs. Skyrim freed the player from bullshit minutia to allow them to *play* the game, not *manage* it. And it's not realistic nor fun to be met with loredumping walls of text for every interaction no matter how irrelevant. Good games are kinetic, if you want to read pick up a book instead.
>>743748174>Dogshite babies first RPGThat would be DA:O
>>743748973"Playing" a game with no rpg elements, shit quests, shitty world, shitty story, shitty dungeons, garbage combat etc. You're welcome to it.
>>743749168True, only insofar as DA:O is actually an RPG and I don't think Skyrim qualifies. More of a walking sim if you listen to the fans.>>743748039
>>743745934You're right, they're almost as bad as fromfags
>>743749175But you just described Morrowshit
>>743749629Powerful
>>743750019You lost
>>743746979>ive been seething at a game for 15 years i totally dont carelmao.
>>743750210Where did I say I don't care? Skyrim represents everything wrong with the industry in terms of dumbed down products outselling truly great ones. Gaming was better before casuals discovered it.
>>743743286Skyrim so far is the best RPG ever made
>>743750082Lost what? I'm not the other anon btw
>>743750350That's E33
>>743750607Neither am I
TES has incredible attention to detail but it neglects the big picture, which for moment to moment gameplay doesn't really matter. For the normalfag that pops in Skyrim for an hour or two or the roleplayer the intricate small scale picture is what matters, each session is a vignette.This is what every one else lacks when trying to copy or compete, Bethesda are the masters of detail. The small scale suffers for other developers because they are too preoccupied with establishing a world and giving it grand stakes. The mass appeal of TES isn't the main quest or intricate worldbuilding, it's walking from Whiterun to Winterhold or getting sidetracked on your way to a quest because you were chasing an elk only to find a dungeon with a mini-storyline within it.
>>743746298Nigger, the archive exists for this reason, maybe try scouring a few archive threads around release before embarrassing yourself this hard. The consensus generally skewed a little more favorable once the sexlab framework released, but before that it was almost universally shat on for being casualized from oblivion.
>>743743286Game is fucking wack gameplay wise, but the atmosphere and the music are out of this world; THAT'S surprisingly never been matched
>>743744089>This is what Germorons genuinely believe
>>743744089>They were mogged hard by GothicThey never were. Stop looking at Gothic through your nostalgia goggles.>because the industry is at least one decade beyond their shitty engine.Anon...even UE5 struggles struggles with splitting cells up and still burns itself out with Sandbox titles. There's a reason there are no TES clones.
>>743748716>having an actual interesting world and interesting quests to engage in.They have the most bland and soulless locations I've ever seen in gaming. Everything feels copy-pasted. I remember walking into dungeon #477 in Oblivion and finding random bandits with god tier armors. it felt so stupid and out of place. The entire world feels bland and artificial, you can almost see all the duct tape and puppet strings that hold it together.
>>743752498> Stop looking at Gothic through your nostalgia goggles.I'm not.The open world felt much more intricate and hand crafted. it felt like a real world where you were dropped in. The worlds in elder scrolls always felt copy-pasted.The feeling of progression in Gothic is unmatched by anything in Elder Scrolls.The world reactivity was on another level with people having proper day night cycles, reacting to your actions, enemy creatures attacking each other and so on.>Anon...even UE5 struggles strugglesGothic remake is using UE5 and it did just that: a seamless open world, just like the original did decades ago.
>>743752316This is the thing that completely carries the game. Gameplay and roleplaying options are fucking trash, and yet I still love the game for its atmosphere. Skyrim as a place is incredibly appealing even if the game itself sucks ass. It's the only game I've gone exploring just because I wanted to see what's out there, instead exploration just being a means to get loot and upgrade materials.
>>743743286The game is also really light with the lore and the places feel generic enough that you feel satisfied when exploring, but you aren't overwhelmed by it being too fantastical.Also makes it a perfect game for modding
>>743746847You normalfags are the reason games fucking suck now. Skyrim has exactly two good parts, the music and the setting itself. Everything else about the game is such a fucking disappointment after playing the previous games, it's unreal. Catering to you mindless "people" is why ES6 is going to be dogshit.
>>743744867Europe has a desert but no tropical forest, yeah.
>>743753810>Skyrim has exactly two good parts, the music and the setting itself.I liked playing it but you're right. The only thing I'd call top notch was the atmosphere, music and the setting. It made the game super comfy but I cheesed it a lot. It's not an objectively good game.
>>743753810It was a step in the right direction for the franchise.
>>743743286Only art can match other art.
