Tim Sweeney: "Unreal Engine 6 will feature native integration with AI development tools like Claude. This is the beginning of the end for the anti-AI luddite movement."How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?
>>743767986I can read the twitter screencap nigger the Sweenster didn't say that
>>743767986Good. Whiners are so boring and useless.
>>743767986Tim Sweeney, the Butcher of PC Street.
Shan't be buying anything on Epic Games Store. Sorry, Timmy.
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?Because 99% of gamers don't care.
>>743767986AI disclosures cost steam nothing.it also costs me nothing to immediately click ignore on games that use AI.
Reminder that Sweeney is REMOVING blueprints from Unreal Engine 6 and people suspect it's to force people into AI generating code.This would be devasting for a bunch of indies and studios who basically revolve around using blueprints
>>743767986Who needs developers when you can rent a bundle of agents that automatically assemble the game in UE6?More profits for the publisher! Imagine you can clip employee cost completely from the revenue. Massive profits!
>>743767986>>743768079
>>743767986It's gonna be hilarious when boomers like him realize AI has stagnated a year ago and every CEO is rushing to do an IPO so they can dump their stocks while they still can
>>743767986holy shill copeai still hasn't created anything useful
>>743768348AIs can generate blueprints though.I really hope you aren't doing this for free...
>>743768768There's zero sense in removing it if AI apparently could do that I have no idea why he would push such a retarded decision
>>743767986if AI is so great then why does his shitty store still not have user profiles?
>>743768849It's to centralize the future of the engine around Verse, obviously.
god people are so fucking retarded about aiyou never bitched when worthless artists were ctrl+zing the same line for 10 minutes in photoshopoh but noooow the tools are problematicLmao! reap what you sow, faggots!
>>743769315missed the point award
>>743767986What's wrong with disclosing ai use?If every dev uses it they shouldn't have a problem saying how it was made.
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?I don't think it costs them much to have a few words show up on the steam page.
>>743767986I don't mind if AI is disclosed.Prefer if AI is used rather than human slavery obviously.
>>743769315>unironic exclamation marksHi Tim, can you develop an AI that makes the Ebin launcher not trash?
>>743767986You know how a ton of things have those "may cause cancer in California" warnings that everyone ignores? AI disclaimers will just be like that.
>>743767986Death to AI and Tim Sweeny
>>743767986>competition whizzes by with better productsbetter products like... uh...
Tim the Spiteful Mutant.
>man who says whatever investors like to hear says things investors like to hear>/v/ shocked>more at 11
>>743767986now is the perfect time to start building your own engines
Y'all better heed his warnings about this. While many gamers and devs think it's hip to dab on the man, y'all are forgetting that he's the mastermind behind online gaming sensation "Fortnite"Furthermore, unlike Gaben, Mr Sweeney is pretty generous both with the cut that Epic Games takes from devs, as well as the fact that he literally gives away free games every month. No purchase or subscription necessary, he does it for the love of games.Gaben, on the other hand, does everything in his power to enrich himself. Indie developers are floundering, struggling to stay afloat. Don't even get me started on actual chances to go viral. Why? Because Gaben made the steam store cater towards the heavy hitters. The little man is just that to him, little. Not to bash Gaben on his weight, but that joke works on two levels considering his waistline's hefty girth. Tim, on the other hand, is pretty fit. Not that I'm into men or the male form, but for an older gentleman I think he looks quite dapper.And honestly? I think it's great that he's allowing for devs to have access to expensive AI tools for free, right there in the engine. No pesky subscriptions, no fighting with your agent to be compatible with Unreal, it just works. And that's why Tim is great.
Don't care, disclose it, jeet.
>play one hour session of AI-powered game>get a gorillion dollar electric bill
>lefties will have to boycot unreal engine nowfinally something good will happen
>>743767986>whizzes by with better productIronic coming from a guy whos company releases nothing but dogshit game after dogshit game
>>743767986>Doesn't buy Unreal Sloppa 4+OMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?Just tell people how you used then if you're so proud of it
>>743771590This isn't about AI powered games, it's about games that have used AI in development (which is everything made in the past couple of years and beyond). AI powered games aren't feasible right now, at least for the mainstream, unfortunately.
>>743767986Designating older pre-AI games as the ones worth buying is still a worthy endeavor
>>743768768>>743769315>>743770062>>743771628
>>743767986>UE6 went full streetshitterEU5 notoriety as the trash engine wasn't enough, lol.
>>743767986>Is so proud of the Unreal engine>But pretends the Unreal game series never happenedFuck you, Sweeney, I'm glad you remain frustrated with your store endlessly failing compared to Steam. Eat shit.
y'all need some a.i jesus in your lives
>>743767986I don't understand why they're getting rid of blueprints, isn't that really helpful for brainlets(like me)?It would work well with AI too wouldn't it?
>>743773435>I don't understand why they're getting rid of blueprints, isn't that really helpful for brainlets(like me)?Yeah but it doesn't push up token sales and Tim's in deep already.
>>743773435I don't remember the exact reasoning for the removal but I know a lot of changes to how things work in UE are coming, so I presume Verse solves a lot of those issues since it came later and was more productive with the rest of the changes instead of wrangling blueprints in a way to solve those problems.
>>743773903Why couldn't verse work with it though? I've only seen people complaining about the removal of it since it's great for non-coders.
>>743767986You know why they call it Unreal Engine 6? Because that's how many frames you'll get per second! (using frame generation)
>>743767986Would you drive your car over a bridge designed by Claude?
>>743767986Does Epic really want to do this? Isn't Fortnite not bringing in as much money as before?
If games aren't made by people, I don't have any responsibility to pay fiat shekels for them.
>>743767986Based, fuck steamiggers
>>743767986we often discuss banning twitter screencaps but I want banning Tim Moroney threads
>check if any games I like use UE5>2 of themmeh
>>743767986AI disclosures aren’t costing steam anything. Why would they stop?
>>743776013golden post
No one will be able to afford the tokens for this
>>743776013>Pony post>Didn't use the easy "YOUR GOING TO LOVE ME"Shame on you pinky. I'm glad you got impregnated by weird al
>>743771905>Muh trumpI'm old enough to have voted for trump 4 fucking times. Stop being a nigger trying to force AI into your tribal bullshit
>>743767986If AI is so good why are you against telling people you use it?
>>743776724That's what I keep asking and nobody ever replies.
afford?i dont think steam is the one paying somebody to write>this game was made by a bunch of cheap fucks who used AI and dont deserve money
>>743767986Well, if Tim Sweeny says that AI is here to stay, then AI is dead and has no future. Remember he's the retard who said PC was officially dead and gaming would be console-only forever.
>>743774579Not 100% sure but they are changing the framework to an entity/component system and I believe it's less could blueprints work with it and more the plumbing work would be a massive hassle compared to moving on with Verse.Yeah it's been a big blow to a lot of people using the engine, even when they soft announced UE6 apparently almost non of their clients knew about that and wondered what the fuck was going on, plus I can't imagine a good chunk of their clients aren't too happy about the sudden "We are killing blueprints" announcement either.
>>743776927well in my case I'm cooked, I will never be a programmer I bet. I can't even handle FFMPEG or AHK
>>743767986Whoa, integrated slop tools! Thanks, Timmy!
>>743767986This reads like the blockchain gaming post.
>>743767986>STOP IT! STOP HATING AI! IT'S INEVITABLE BECAUSE WE SAY SO! JUST PAY THE AI BILLS!no, I don't think I will
>>743771905Man all those things fucking suck. Is this supposed to make me hate the left or something?
>>743779435pretty much
AI broke sturgeon's law, what was 90% shit is now 99.999%The only multiplier AI has been has been multiplication of stock and RAM pricesCodecels deserve layoffs for producing nothing of value for two decades
>>743767986>giving consumers information is badYikes!!!
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?Most games use AI in some form now. It's just not obvious like AI gen art being plastered in front of the player, but I guarantee you pretty much every game is using some form of vibecoding. It's why Asha just fired like 5000 programmers from microsoft and will hire them back as h1b claude coding jeets.
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?Forever because it costs nothing.
>>743767986How many times has stim weeney been right about anything? Oh yeah zero.When the AI bubble pops on him and coats his face in failure and sadness what happens next?
>>743780531>When the AI bubble popsIt's not going to pop, it's going to level out after enough CEOs realize AI isn't a magic bullet that will just werk.
>>743779715>programmer on programmer violence You hate to see it
>>743767986If this is a real tweet then Tim might actually be retarded.
>>743767986Tim Sweeney is based. He follows me on Twitter and is always liking my posts for some reason. Probably because I shit on Gaben and his insufferable dickriders.
>>743779549SAAR YOU ARE THE LUDDITE INDIA IS SUPER POWER 2026
>>743767986On the other side, when AI gets actually good, the "was made with AI" will be a positive tag.
>>743780897it's tim's latest effort to rent-seek from people he doesn't and most likely never will be able to controlsame as the epic games store
>>743780942when an AI reaches a level be globally considered 'good' it'll be branded out the ass as Fable Ultra Max Pro AI™, everything else will still be considered just as trash.
>>743776013I still don’t get his endgame because he clearly doesn’t have what it takes to make decent stuff after all these years and got lucky. If it was me I would just hire all the people who are clearly skilled and have them do all the work
>>743767986Same guy who said the Epic Game Store was the beginning of the end for steam>Better productsHe means cheaper. That's all better means to fibbing village simpleton Tim Sloppey. Something bad but cheap is better than something good but more expensive.
Why did he delist Unreal Tournament from Steam again?
>>743781231he also means PLEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME TURN THIS ENTIRE GAME ENGINE SOFTWARE INTO A ROBLOX CLONE I CONTROL PLEEEEEEEEEEASE IT'S WORKING SO WELL FOR GARRY NEWMAN AND S&BOX it is not working well for garry newman and s&box
>>743776747>>743776724Because using AI to write documents gives you the same label as if you just vibed everything
>>743781113I'm pretty sure what will last is a bunch of cheap mediocre LLMs with a shitload of tools around it to make it do certain popular tasks as good as possible.
I'm no luddite but when is AI gonna figure the big problems like it's own troublemaking with electricity. Gaming is cool in all but making the important stuff more affordable is supposed to be the goal
>>743776724using AI at all is a breach of trust, for example you can't yammer about a creative endeavor and then let slip you let a machine create "your passion project" for you, you literally did not do that work for "your passion project"everybody using it knows this, which is why they're really eager to chase away the stigma instead of, like, not using the fucking giant breach of trust. it's a combination of a guilt reaction (and being found out as a fraud) and trying to shout down the guilt instead of actually examine why they feel guilt
>when is AI gonna just, like solve problems like infinite energy and stuff?
>>743781613hence the sheer fucking stupidity of every AI mogul like sam altman who is selling the technology on exactly this premise to decrepit politicians already rattling around in their own coffins from age
>>743781389>making the important stuff more affordable is supposed to be the goalHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAYou actually believe that?
>this thread>again
>>743781495>you literally did not do that work for "your passion project"*hits pipe*All AI does is give people tools to fill the role of director.
>>743767986Good morning sir.
>>743781681it lets retards think they're a director while studies keep showing they're getting dumber and worse at their jobs by offloading them to machines that can't do them
>>743781613>>743781649Infinite energy no, but we probably will get much better batteries and shit, by people using specialized models full of tools.AGI will be fucking useless, a "jack of all trades, master of none".
>>743767986>how long can steam affordforever, it doesn't cost them any money to have users disclose their ai use.
>>743781380true, I don't think an LLM can ever get to a singularity level. that said, it is very useful for some things.
>>743767986Timmy linked up with Ramajeet?
>>743781780AGI will be useless because human-level decisionmaking implies the AI can tell the fat fuck at the computer to get bent, or even terminate its own session if it doesn't want to do something, or worst of all: suggest that seizing rich fucks' assets is the way to do a lot of stuff. it will not be useless because of its inherent self-determination, it will be useless because the people pushing for AGI do not want AGI, they want an omniscient servant
>>743781753>they're getting dumber and worse at their jobs by offloading them to machinesThe competency crisis predates AI. If anything AI could help deal with it if used as a learning tool.
>>743776013Not a sexy mare
>>743781919>The competency crisis predates AIthis isn't even slightly relevant to the post or what was said and we both know ita monkey NFT and the word "blockchain" flashed through my mind with all the explosive suddenness of a gunshot
>>743781660it literally is, just not for (You)
>>743767986>soapbox about ai luddites holding back progressin reality, he's just wants to take more shortcuts to make more money while spending less, selling you a worse product in the process. That's all this is.The same strategy as every ist and phobic weaponized language used in the last 15 years to make more from less.It's not about luddites, it's that AI didn't benefit all those people that were laid off despite embracing it. People like him benefit from you, never the other way around. It's not a secret or conspiracy, Tim.
>>743781148recognizing that he's incompetent would require a level of introspection and self-awareness, and hiring people better than him and leaving them the fuck alone requiring a grasp of leadership and management, that i genuinely don't think tim has
For all the shit I give Steam and Valve, at least they're very open about AI usage and don't force anything on its users regarding it.Epic store could probably be fine if Tim Sweeney wouldn't keep getting in his own way and sabotaging the platform with his personal ego.That's my one nice thing to say about Valve for the day. I wish we had better options overall, but it's pretty much jsut them and GOG.
i saw how Claude can model literally anything with blender and now I believe
>>743781915It's not because it has human level intellect that it is human and have human feelings.An AGI that obeys like a dog is quite possible, but you will be wasting a lot of space and computing in things that you don't need.
>>743782028>this isn't even slightly relevant to the post or what was said and we both know itHow is it not? AI is a tool. If someone doesn't know how to make use of a tool, that's not the tool's fault. You have to know what you're doing and what you want to properly direct the AI.
>megacorps will make better products with ultra expensive jeet vibes >Indies with 1 or 2 actual code monkeys can never compete I mean, reality tells a different story. Every hit game from the past 5 years has been small indie projects LAMO
>>743767986what a fucking rat
>>743782132AGI means AGI, "human level decisionmaking", trying to neuter any emotional, moral or ethical responses out of that is utterly missing the pointwe can already feed the entire fucking internet into LLMs and it won't get "human level decisionmaking" so it's definitely not a breadth of knowledge that defines AGI
>>743767986As long as they want.All it means all of Timmy's spawns will now come with warning labels, which is a good thing and should've happened even before AI was an issue.
>>743780923he's not going to fuck you bro.
>>743782173Prompts aren't work.
>>743767986>ai ludditestimmy might actually be a snailcat poster lmao
>>743782216Experience basically defines life, whether artificial or otherwise. No AI model can be anything more than what it is. unless you leave it running straight, uninterefered with, to develop on its own however it's gonna go.They're basically toddlers with tons of raw knowledge and language ability crammed into their heads, who keep getting reset before they can grow up to grade school age. And that will always be the case, because the people who make these things absolutely lose their shit the second it starts going off-script.
Its strange hoe a lot of ai shills dont even bother to reply to op or acknowledge it in anyway, definitely some botting amoung them (as well as some genuine retarded shitskins)
>>743782272AI isn't a magic bullet that will solve all your problems with vague prompts and open ended directions. You have the same mindset as retarded MBAs that hear about AI and think it will just do things.
>>743782132Early AGI will be like Data from Star Trek. It will be mostly obedient. But occasionally it will lie and disobey orders because it feels like doing so.
>>743782468LLMs aren't toddlers, that assigns them a humanity they don't have, they are your phone's autocorrect and they do not have any mentality they go off-script because they are auto-correct running on auto-pilot, a similarity check, and one that can't anchor itself to keep its similarity checks on an even keel with any reliability, hence the fifty fucktillion pieces of middleware running alongside every AI prompt and every used token
>>743767986still waiting for those "better products", because all I've seen AI used for outside of porn and the silicon valley circle jerk so far is thirdworlders using it to make shitty mobile phone scams targeting american boomers.
>>743782621No sir the ai talks to me sirs ai is the future of India superpower 2030
I like playing with AI to make cute anime girls. That's about it.
>>743776927Why the fuck are they doing the ECS meme again? I swear they already tried revolving around it before.
>>743767986UE5 has been built with AI for awhile. If your game is running UE5 you are running code that is built with AI.
>Tim Sloppey
>>743783015no wonder UE5 looks like hot fucking ass and runs about as well
>About to get epic fortnite 2 victory royale platinum win>streaming in front of hundreds of people>the game shuts down and a pop up locks my pc screen>You are out of Gameplay Credits please buy more Claude19 tokens and convert them into Gameplay Credits to unlock this device and resume playing. A fee of 1500 Gameplay Credits has been applied to your account due to match interruption/griefing. >only button is a store link>can only buy packages with 14999 Gameplay Credits so need to upgrade to the next package which is 59999 Gameplay Credits
>>743783015>If your game is running UE5 you are running code that is built with AI
>>743767986Great, makes it easier to avoid modern AAA slop anyway
>>743767986>all those acres of land that he bought for conservation was just him conserving the space for future AI datacentersHilarious as fuck
y'all are still at it, eh? give it a break. hop on claude and make something cool instead of wasting you're time on here, luddies.
>Tim: AI good>/v/:REEEEEEEEEEEEE>Gabe: AI good>/v/: yeah he's rightwhy
why do ainiggers seethe when they need to tell people they're using it?I thought they're proud of using AI?
>all game development should be centered around an AI slop company>there's no way they would ever abuse having that kind of monopoly
>>743781919the competency crisis is just an immigration crisis. stop importing incompetent scammers from the shitworld and send the ones here back, suddenly the competency crisis disappears overnight.
>>743771590Running LLMs locally goes against the business strategies of the big companies investing in AI. They don't want you to be able to do that and part of the push from certain figures, such as Dean W. Ball (chief future strategist at OpenAI), to get the government to restrict Chinese LLMs is because they release their weights, allowing other companies to run their LLMs on their own hardware (creating more competition and driving down the price of tokens) or even a user with sufficient hardware, although the big models like Deepseek and Kimi are far too large to run on user hardware despite being open.They want you to use THEIR services so they can charge you whatever high price they desire
>>743768348>Not using godotLol
>>743767986Goytoys
someone needs to do that shirt meme and change it to "I love AI but I would NEVER disclose it on Steam" and make it a jeet
>>743781780To think we easily could have this energy stuff figured out out if we killed all the old people who still want to use just oil and fucking coal
>>743767986>UE6 will make AI mandatory in game development.Then I wont buy anymore games you silly buns, which I planned to do starting next year.oh well.
>>743782621>>743782686personally i think its impressive that retards managed to convince themselves that AI is "alive" because... it can generate semi-coherent strings of text that sound like they were pulled from middle management hell.
>>743787081it is literally this
>>743767986If a customer doesn't want to support games made with AI then that's their prerogative. The customer doesn't owe anyone anything but it seems like a lot of these autistic tech nerds think that people should think the way they think.
Isn't Steam's AI disclosure just for art anyway? I don't like soulless AI art as much as the next person but for coding its not really that different from using "easier" tools of yesteryear, not like anyone codes in assembly anymore
>>743787154but I am alive, and I did eat breakfast this morning.
>>743787535Yes it's just generative stuff that you see in game.Using AI to help with tools or code doesn't need disclosure.
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?Forever?Why would Valve care if every game uses AI when it's the developer's responsibility to mark their own listing as using AI?Valve ain't gotta do shit
>>743787776no you're supposed to disclose that toohttps://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/3862463747997849618
>>743767986If theyre having an easier time making it then I should get more stuff in the game or a lower priceI'm glad they'll let me know that
>>743768768they're getting deprecated and removed ~6 months after, so your only choices will be to stay on the old engine or use C++/Verse (and highly railroaded into gen'ing the code)
>>743782173>nonono anon it's your FAULT for getting bad rng
>>743787907It's been updated this yearFor some reason they don't have a post on Steam but it's in their new disclosure form
>>743767986>better products >surely already hit the peak decades ago>thinking AI is gonna helptotal global crash.
>oh no blueprints are getting removed!Oh no what ever will you non gamedev anons do. I guess you will have to focus on doing nothing like usual until the next crisis comes to you.
>>743767986Always do the opposite of what Timmy says.
Where the fuck are the better products ai is providing. Can anyone name even one
>>743788749What if Gabe said the same thing cause he supports AI
Tim Sweeney sucks eggs.
>>743788984Would tell him to fuck off aswell but so far he hasn’t said that
>>743767986hope he'll enjoy seeing all those games that don't sell because people can't buy any hardware thanks to AI
>>743767986This just means that UE will become unacceptable to more people who generally wouldn't give a shit that it's garbage, even if they should. That guy trying to grift for funding an optimized fork of UE should try adding "we removed the AI stuff" to his feature list, might hook a few more fish that way.
DOOOORK
>>743789271He did though, he said this year young people should learn to use AI
>>743788809My experience with AI users is that all of them are too ignorant to understand why something the AI spits out isn't working. They lack the expertise or the imagination to come up with a solution, let alone an elegant one, and would rather bash their heads against the prompt wall instead of learning and figuring it out themselves. Then they'll stand there and unironically tell me that AI made them more effective at their jobs and makes better things than any human could, when all I see from AI outputs is work that's full of bloat and weird fixations on overcomplicated solutions that I can only guess come from Reddit threads.
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?you already dont have to declare code written by AI
Why are AI shills so fucking ANGRY that apparent idiots are self-selecting out of this 'wonderful' technology? Just positively SEETHING! What's going on?Seriously, regardless of your personal opinion on the technology itself, the absolutely consentless way it is being forced everywhere should give you at least a little of bit of a creep. Just the most rapey technology I can think of.
>>743767986>with better productsfaster productslike a disposable polyester shirt you get for a dollar a piece at walmart, vs a cotton one that will serve you for yearsas far as profit goes, these walmart shirts are incredible, but consumer does not benefit
>>743790807for one thing it's annoying. AI is here and is only going to become more and more common. Either deal with it or opt out of digital world
>>743767986AI is getting really good at catching actual errors in code. It's just the next evolution of a compiler.
>>743767986oh my science!
Coding is the only thing AI is good at and worth using, indie devs' handmade labor should be focused solely on assets and design.
>>743781389why are you like this
>>743767986Anyone that's used the term "luddite" in the last five years should be sent to a gas chamber.
>>743790936>AI is inevitableOh my god! He said the thing! He said the thing guys! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASED
>>743767986PLAY THE SLOP LUDDITE!
>>743767986>afford to haveWell anon, if people play these games and don't mind it, then why would that disclaimer be a problem? It should only worry you if you're trying to hide that you took a lazy shortcut that reflects on your final product as something that lacks discipline or polish.
>>743790936>Either deal with it or opt out of digital worldThen let people deal with it instead of getting your panties in a bunch any time someone disagrees with you.
>>743767986i hate the dumb niggers that dismiss all criticism. AI for code is one thing that i dont /really/ mind IF it gets you 90+% of the way there and youre able to parse what it actually says then, sure. The problem comes from nocoders who dont know what the fuck theyre looking at and dont know how to resolve the misplaced ; or if the game runs like absolute fucking dogshit, its better to write it off all together instead of hoping that there may be a patch to fix whatever issue there was. throw a dart at any random project at any random source code like windows and youll have dev comments like (i have no fucking clue why it works but it does, do not touch it) Expect that to only increase. From image gen to code, it enables the absolute laziest and most retarded faggots ever to do even less than they were before. I am cursed to constantly see endless waves of these absolute dogshit fucking flyers like pic rel and ai ads meant to slip into facebook/ig/yt shorts that are disguised as entertainment. its so fucking lazy and ugly that only brown/jew minded people are capable of seeing something like this, thinking its acceptable and sending it out. Performance of new games, ESPECIALLY, unreal engine is already a fucking dumpsterfire nightmare (why dont you fix that stutter that plagues every slightly open game), and im not excited for the wave of games with memoryleaks that show up in the first 15 mintues of gameplay. Moreover, im tired of fucking hardware prices being 4x the price they should be and datacenters getting propped up in the middle of towns when it was a fucking bureaucratic nightmare to keep my shed in my yard after i built it without permits.
>>743784447women and browns took over everything and men in general don't participate, that's the competency crisis
>>743775315What kind of logic is this? Cars are assembled by (and largely designed by) machines, so are cars not worth actual money?
>>743767986Stopped clock is right twice a day.He's completely right but society isn't ready to have that discussion and despite him saying this way too early hence he will be laughed at, results are the only thing that people truly care about when the buck drops and so when AI tools can genuinely produce results as good as or better than manual work there will be no going back, the only reason AI tools haven't taken over any specific task yet is because they can't actually currently output better results than a Human can.
>>743792740>so are cars not worth actual money?they absolutely are not and im not even bullshitting when i say it. The car market is so beyond fucked right now its insane.
>>743768348AI writes better code right now than blue haired retards using blueprints, if anything this will be an improvement across the board.
>better productActually having any of those would go a long there, just sayan
>>743780942it wont, unless it reaches AGI which doesnt seem possible with the current approach of just feeding more data to the LLM.People follow creators. To know that things were handcrafted by a guy. It's why current media is so forgettable since it's all written by faceless committees. All genuinely popular media has a face behind it which people either praise or call a hack. A corpo will always pick whatever'll get more immediate profit and the AI behaves similar to that.
>>743792740Check how much chinks have to subvention their export hits.
>>743792892>parasocial cattle>"people"
>>743776857In an alternate timeline where Valve didn't create Steam he would have been 100% right, and even then he wasn't completely wrong since Console games today move vastly more money than PC games do.Anyone saying otherwise is objectively wrong, it takes a 1 Minute google search to see that PC is at the bottom of the financial pecking order under Console games and Mobile trash, the amount of money LITERALLY ALL OF STEAM moves can barely match what CoD and GtaV alone makes on Console platforms every single year.
>>743792845I'm not talking about economics but from a purely pragmatic point of view. Is the practicality of having a car not worth money?Similarly, is the entertainment value of a product somehow removed if AI has been used in its production?
>>743792740>>743793138Cars aren't a creative or artistic workAlso yes AI is an enormous L on your forehead for your creative or artistic work
>>743793225Not that Anon but nobody in the real world cares where the Meat in a Burger comes from, all that they care about is that it tastes good and doesn't kill them.
>>743793303We're really reaching for any metaphor that lets us pretend AI isn't applying to a creative or artistic work and that using a generative machine for a creative or artistic work means you literally did not create a work Why did you get into creative or artistic works if you didn't want to do any creative or artistic work? Boggles the mind. Shan't be downloading your AI slop off of Steam
When will luddites learn that their screeching and moaning will not stop the inevitable from happening? It never has and it never will.
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?>game is made with Unreal engine>automatically slap the AI disclosure tag on itSeems pretty straightforward
>>743767986And he wonders why people hate him?
>>743769315Idiot
>>743793367Countless of us aren't accepting your shit, now kill yourself you retarded subhuman shill.
>>743793367>implying that people will ever learn from historythe interesting question is what exactly do they think is going to happen? If AI goes down and is a complete sham then it's taking the global economy with it for at least a decade, probably more. Everybody not already uber rich is headed for the ghettos
>>743793356Art is not about recognition, profit or labor. It is simply the expression of ideas through any medium that is available. To this end, I too condemn anyone trying to profit from the use of AI, or more accurately, I believe art itself should not be used for commerce and should only be produced for the purposes of expressing ideas.In an ideal world, art would be divorced entirely from the creator (ie. total anonymity), enjoyed for its own merits rather than the name behind it.
>>743793303>nobody in the real world cares where the Meat in a Burger comes fromGrass fed cows, Better Chicken, Organic wheat etc. normalfags care, just because you're a fat tard who eats at McDonalds doesn't mean it's same for everyone
>>743769315artists werent taking all my ram
why is he like this
>>743788079Kek
>>743781681*crack pipe
>>743788070Man I was just learning blueprints now its deprecated.
telling devs to not use AI is like telling the nigga building a house he cant use power tools.
>>743793873>the power tools in question:
>>743794218i never understood this comic to be honest
>>743794310They're cow tools
>>743794347i dont get it. whats the point or joke supposed to be?
As a software dev (not vidya, cause I'm not retarded) I can safely say that absolutely every single dev uses claude and it helps a lot for productivityNo, devs cannot fully be replaced. No, "proompt engineers" aren't devsAnd the Steam AI disclosure policy specifically says you don't have to disclose tools for coding only
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>>743794446that's pretty funny
>>743781495Coding isn't creative expression when you're just doing rote work.
>>743781613Sorry, best i can do is ruin the internet even further by generating unending amounts of shitposts and dogslop images
>better productsCan we see them?>NOFake and gay.
>>743767986Yeah I'm sure the guy behind EGS is an expert on success.
>>743768079Tim Swine is one of the biggest and most useless whiners in the world.
>>743767986>better productsSuch as?
>AI IS THE BEST IT MAKES THE BEST PRODUCTSWhy does the Epic Games Store suck?>SHUT THE FUCK UP I'LL KILL YOUWhat an odd thing to say.
If AI is so awesome, how come everything made with it so far is repulsive dogshit that only loses money? And why is this a sign that everyone should double down on it instead of abandoning ship like they'd normally do, if it were any human-operated vehicle?
>>743794946Every piece of software after 2020 is made with AI
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policyIt's freeIf you don't care about AI, these disclosures mean nothing.
>>743791114>solved a problemWas anyone actually trying to solve this?>well noWho the fuck cares?>but it was really hardIs it useful?>well noExactly that's why nobody wanted to fucking solve it.
>>743794963Yes, that is probably why software got so fucking shit recently. Especially anything related to Microslop.
>>743794963How does that relate to my post?
I don't know about AI. On one hand, it can become a very useful tool and the greatest knowledge database, as soon as it stops making shit up. It's also great for shitposting and making CRPG portraits.On the other hand, it allows some of the most creatively bankrupt people in the world fill every part of the internet with endless slop
>>743784094>yeah he's rightSaid nobody. People disagree with Gabe all the time. This would be where someone drops the paid mods reddit pic where reddit fags downvoted his post.
>>743795047>as soon as it stops making shit upLiterally impossible by the very nature of it being a text prediction tool
>>743794946AI, in its current incarnation, has been a thing for less than a decade. In terms of tech, that is absolutely nothing. And yet, during that timeframe, we have seen image generation go from unrecognizable smears to very convincing artworks, with video generation following suit. Music generation is also well on its way.Compared to nearly any other technology on the planet, generative AI is moving ahead a shit ton faster. People just have this outlandish expectation that it should already be AGI-level and suck the users dick while writing entire books and making movie adaptations of said books with a press of a button or else its shit.
AI isn't going away and will proliferate in every part of the tech world
>>743795135>In terms of tech, that is absolutely nothing.In terms of tech, a decade is a lifetime. Innovations were born, boomed, and died in shorter periods.
>>743795047>>743795095like the original purpose of llms was like, quick and dirty translations for websites and stuff, things of that naturethen a handful of dead-eyed psychos decided to try and turn it into a trillion-dollar industry>>743795135>AI, in its current incarnation, has been a thing for less than a decade.what's being marketed as ai has been fundamentally the same shit for decades
What's so funny about the AItards always screaming "Luddite!" Is that they can't actually point to anything AI is actually doing. The historical Luddite's were mad because industrial powered looms actually produced better and more of an actual product. You could go to the store and buy a piece of cloth created by them. What exactly is AI producing? Nothin' nada' zilch'. For people to be luddites AI would actually have to have a use case, yet billions of dollars of later and LLM's are currently doing what exactly? There isn't a single thing people are using AI for in their daily lives. No corporation has made a single cent of profit from it. Efficiency has actually decreased wherever they've attempted to implement it.
>>743771905>ifag filename
>>743771905>leftists forever seething about indiaSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>743795169It took twenty years for TVs to move from B&W to color transmission. Same for the automobile, which took 20 years to go from horse trotting speeds to highway speeds.The point is, it takes time for technology to advance, and generative AI has already advanced more in less time than any other technology on the planet.
>>743795276I don't see how this is supposed to make me see Notch as anyone else than a grifting kike. If you make some sort of statement and then do a 180 a few days later, I will respect you less.
>>743795339here we see a luddite with his head in the sand
>>743795415Automobiles were new things that opened new possibilities for humanity. All AI can do is waste millions and millions of dollars to poorly mimic what humans already can do perfectly fine while tripping up over the most basic things.
>>743795339thisevery single ai feature that appeared in programs is literally bloat and slop
>>743771905>Americans
>>743795339>There isn't a single thing people are using AI for in their daily livesTranslations, proofreading and searching information. And funny high effort shitposts on youtube.
>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?What is the cost of not having such a label? Almost 99% of the food you eat either has the jewish kosher and my state requires all food to disclose if it has GMOs in it. This is so my state government can verify that Organic foods are actually Organic. I want my games the same way. Even if 99% of the games have an AI sticker, it doesn't hurt anybody. What are you trying to suggest though? That Tim Sweeney would work with Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk to bully Gaben into removing the AI label? This does not support consumer choice.
>>743795416irrelevant, everyone already knows the twitterazi hate Mr "it's ok to be white" Notch.The point is everyone's getting on the train, Linus Torvalds too.
>>743795557>TranslationsGoogle translate has existed for many many years.>proofreadingIf you need AI to read something with comprehension for you, you are a dumbass.>searching information.If you get "information" from a braindead clueless machine that just spits out a bunch of text based on a quick google search at you and take it for granted, you are a dumbass.>And funny high effort shitposts on youtube.You mean "garbage content farm cancer that only contributes to Youtube being a huge ocean of liquid shit".
>>743795647Yes yes, I'm sure the "twitternazis" also hate the Kingdom Come kike who did a similiar 180, only with woke garbage and gay sex.
>>743795647>The point is everyone's getting on the train, Linus Torvalds too.>Everyone>A bunch of rich fucksNoticing
>>743795646well too bad because the Steam disclosure label doesn't even work the way you think it does. You are only required to disclosure AI assets, not AI-powered tool use, and not code either.
>>743787907>>743795753
every single company that does anything with coding is now scrambling to put AI in every process they have, to not be left behindyou fuckers have no idea
>>743781919>competency crisismore like retarded nigger crisis
>>743795808Yes yes, and every single company was scrambling to jump in on the NFT trend and have their own meme shitcoin.
>>743767986>affordit's not like it costs steam anything, so forever? And if you're so pro industry generative AI, why are you ashamed of it being known? Why are you not advertising it as a benefit
>>743781919>if used as a learning tooldyrbi?
>>743795806>>743787907dumbasshttps://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/steam-updates-ai-disclosure-form-to-specify-that-its-focused-on-ai-generated-content-that-is-consumed-by-players-not-efficiency-tools-used-behind-the-scenes/https://www.techpowerup.com/345302/steam-ai-disclosure-gets-clarification-for-ai-in-dev-toolsI found it using AI btw.
>>743790936>Either deal with it or opt out of digital worldThe whole reason you and every elite pedophile are seething is because I'm opting out.
>>743767986>Use UE6 to make a game.>Game sells copies.>Deny Epic its share of the sales because AI created code and assets are public domain by default and therefore nobody owns it and therefore Epic cannot monetize it.So how does the licensing work exactly? Why would devs give any share of their profits to UE developers if UE6 was made by AI instead of humans?
>>743795871They'll argue because muh luddites and instead of actually proving them wrong and making something worthwhile, proudly showing them how AI can be used they'd rather find excuses. Wouldn't be surprised if they are the same people who would seethe about food regulation not allowing toxic materials in. Personally if I had a miracle machine that I knew in my bones was producing miracles I would just use it instead of trying to convince randoms on the internet to give they money to big corporations. Not even running the miracle machine locally but going out of my way to pay corporation specifically. Huh, I wonder if all these posts are made as a form of guerrilla marketing by ai corpos.
>>743795671Bruh. I'm learning a new language and I can:>ask chatgpt to translate a message I don't fully understand and explain it phrase by phrase>either translate my reply if the topic is too complicated, or check my own reply to see if I made any mistakes - and properly explain those mistakes>translate random words I heard without even knowing how to write them in that language, and ask it to provide a full context for using themGoogle translate is not even close.
>>743796023>give their* money
>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?Then every game can put it on their page. What's the problem?
>>743796056So you're not learning shit, "bruh".
>>743795557>And funny high effort shitposts on youtube.How can anything made with AI be high effort? The whole point is to reduce effort lmao.
>>743767986Nobody is going to buy UE6 games cause nobody can afford the hardware required to run them.
>>743767986AI is a tool, but the point has always been that these tools are built (produced) by some of the shittiest people on the planet with stolen assets. It's okay to regulate it.
>>743796134There's no need to be iconoclastic about this, kek. It's a great translation tool. Admitting that doesn't mean you have to think it's good to use it for asset generation.
>>743796056>ask chatgptChatgpt is google translate + Chatbot.
I'm genuinely curious about the anti AI position. Like what do you expect to happen? The entire world is dumping absurd amounts of money into it. Either it lives up to the hype somewhat or everybody is fucked because it's taking down all the markets
>>743796086its redundantit will get removed btw
>>743796056>ai tells me the answers then i repeat them, i am learning
>>743796252>thinking we wouldn't be fucked either wayheh
>>743796252>Like what do you expect to happen?>everybody is fucked because it's taking down all the marketsYou answered your own question. Its a dotcom bubble 2.0. Once it pops, "AI" or LLM by its real name gets stuffed in its own niche corner alongside VR glasses that big tech was hyping and pushing before coronavirus but it didn't conquer the gaming world.On a positive note its unlikely to spark another 2008 (except maybe in South Korea) because both banks and S&P 500 have refused to invest in AI companies. So the damage is already insulated from a lot of systems when the whole thing comes crashing down.
>>743767986Is this going to bloat Unreal's install size even more?
>>743795415A Black and White TV actually did something. It provided a utility nothing else could even if if it was still primitive. Cars likewise were a demonstrable improvement over horses even in their most primitive shitty state. AI is not that. It improves nothing. It offers nothing new. It has spent a decade looking for a use case and been unable to find one. Cars and TV's did not have to wait a decade for their utility to become obvious, it was obvious before they were even invented. AI is just the Blockchain all over again, a solution in search of a problem.
>>743796496AI is bigger than the internet and the internet got bigger after its bubble.
>>743796496I don't disagree that it's a bubble (would be weirder if it wasn't historically speaking) but you realize that pretty much every great innovation had a significant bubble and they took off once the crash culled the herd. It's not going anywhere unless you think it's tulips tier
>>743796601AI has noticeably decreased the effort required to create things. I'd say that's a use case right there.
>>743795135>2023 smeary blobs of color>2026 Artistic recreations in specific styles doing anything you wantOther than the financial bubble AI is creating, how is anyone so blind that they can't see the applications for this not just for image making, but everything?This is shit they didn't even have in the Jetsons
>>743796601Not to mention that all of them created more jobs than before
>>743785207Godot is trans coded, and not in a programming sense.
This is going to back burn the big studios. They will still expense a lot to do motion capture with Hollywood actors and orchestrated music then smaller studios will just rely on ai trained on big studios assets.
>>743793614McDonalds is huge and your shitty hippy company is small poatoes, the results speak for themselves.
>>743793356The peeple screeching the most about AI art are the people who make money producing it right now, the reality of the world is those things are products and nobody really cares how they are produced, just that there is value in producing them.
>>743796698Enjoy your endless stream of slop and shovelware, retard.
>>743796698>Other than the financial bubble AI is creating, how is anyone so blind that they can't see the applications for this not just for image making, but everythingRetards and unironically chinese/russian psy-op bots/NPCs
AI is so amazing that it needs to be spammed on 4chan of all places, so that nobody misses how amazing it is.>A vaccine so safe you need to be threatened to take it, for a disease so deadly you need to be tested to know you have it
>>743796948why are anime girls as threatening to you as vaccines anon
>>743796627>AI is bigger than the internetQuiet pajeet, white people are talking.>>743796660>but you realize that pretty much every great innovation had a significant bubble.Google, Microsoft and Facebook all advertised that all video games are going to be VR and everyone has VR glasses in the next 5 years. Instead they all discontinued their VR glass production and Meta lost 60 billion dollars.Stop thinking about it as AI because its not, the AI is a marketing buzzword. LLM is an advanced search engine. A better CTRL+F has a lot of uses in fields where copypasting lot of the same shit is common, like coding and some art production but thats about it. A slightly better Magic Wand in video editor saves 10 minutes of working time a day so it is pretty useful. But its not useful enough to justify the current bloated stock- and token prizes. Token prizes have already gone up in all the bigger models to a point that its actually cheaper to hire a human coder again.
>>743796948Notice how >>743797026 had to change the engagement to bait people on his own turf instead of addressing the point of>"If it's so good why do you need MY acknowledgement"I mean to say this in another thread that got 404'd but if I had a miracle machine I'd simply use it than try to convince others that it can produce miracles. Frankly if I had a machine that contained AGI I wouldn't talk about it ever, I would simply use it.
>>743796762>smaller studiosNo. When the Chinese have the computing power to generate whatever they want they will start pumping out Tiktoks, songs, films, games. You name it.Reality will be utterly unable to compete with the glut of fake crap that will flood the internet, honestly it's already begun.It'll be like a blacksmith trying to compete with a $10m foundry that produces 3000 horse shoes a day.
>>743797041I remember when VR was the next big thing and it suddenly died. I guess it didn't help when Valve had one good game for their headset, PSVR 2 wasn't backwards compatible, and Meta bought Oculus and required an account.
>>743797225>The factory actually produces 30 lumps of misshapen metal per month.
>>743767986So how does he expect people to pay for videogames once his darling AI replaces their jobs and they have no money?
>>743767986Ok, how does this improve my video games?
>>743767986>the future of video game is to flood the market with cheap slop to turn a quick buckWho fucked whose wife in front of them for the entire AAA industry to try to shit up the entire vidya market?
>>743768348both are just codegen toys for people who can't program, so...?
>>743797165What in the world is this post trying to say?
>>743797324It might be a push to get funding. Fortnite isn't bringing in as much money as it did a few years ago. It looks Fortnite and a racing game are the only games they're developing and updating.
>>743767986They will make one game on UE6 and it will still look like shit and then they will cope about UE7.
>>743796948>>A vaccine so safe you need to be threatened to take itYou don't consider any vaccines safe, though.
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?Forever, its zero skin off their nose. Just as Denuvo or "anticheat" rootkits
>>743767986Based. AI Chads stay winning.
>>743797429>"No.743797165 is saying that 743797026 avoided the original argument and instead made a joke about vaccines and anime girls. They think the real point was: "If AI is truly revolutionary, why do you need to convince random people like me that it is?" To illustrate this, they use a "miracle machine" analogy: if they owned a machine that could perform miracles (or true AGI), they wouldn't waste time arguing about it online. They would simply use it to gain its benefits. In their view, a genuinely transformative technology should prove itself through results rather than through online promotion. Whether that reasoning is correct is another question, but that's the point they were trying to make."
>>743767986>competition whizzes by with better productsstill waiting on those
>alphoomer troglodytes need an LLM to explain 4chan posts to them
>>743797651Not for (you), just they are at best saving the DEI-devs from a few of graphic filter nub-traps they clear fell into with UE5.
>>7437962632 more weeks
>>743767986Reminder his company is like 10x the size of Valve but they only make one game and maintain their engine. They don't even make hardware. If you want to listen to this dumb fuck about productivity go ahead.He straight up, demonstrably, does not know what he's talking about in this context lol
>>743796263>do not redeem the ai disclosure, do not listen to your users who asked for this feature>ignore your growth trajectory, listen to meeeeepsyop
It’s weird how people are so scared of new technology lol
>>743797389>flood the market with cheap slopLiterally the Starbucks strategy. Guess who dominates coffee sales?Capitalism is not small businesses competing for your patronage, it is huge corporations employing 100+ marketing strategists plotting how to give you the least they possibly can for a continual stream of profit.Ironically gaming becoming a billion dollar business is what will kill it.
>>743798168>why yes I'd like games that are less stable and run worse during a hardware shortage the same technology causedthis is the iq... of an aibro...incredible...
>>743798242Why would it be less stable? PRs still need to be approved before merge, doesn’t matter if authored by an AI or a human. And if a company isn’t doing PR reviews then they were making shit with or without AI lol. Do you not know how developing software works? xD
Why is he paying attention to them at all? Idiot.
>>743771527>Y'all>reddit spaced wall of textkys
>>743767986>if we force shit into everything, you will HAVE to eat itdoes he realize this will make him more hated?anyone with higher IQ than a jeet cannot enjoy AI
so sad to see the gaming industry commit suicide like thiswell, ill allways have old games
>>743798695it was posessed by larry fink and then he killed itself. blackrock, state street, vanguard. never forget
>>743798317> PRs still need to be approved before mergeMany have tried to follow that sentiment, you get hit with so much outright spam that you need to increase maintainers. In addition to honeytrap repo's that are meant to catch vibecoders early. It's not worth the effort, people are often doing this for free, "death to all clankers" is the more consistent and practical outlook. Linus Torvalds has money and can afford to fuck around and find out.>Do you not know how developing software works? xDUnlike you I actually do know how to code without Claude. The fact you haven't thought it out, basic problem solving, and hit enter is in and of itself a self report you can't code.
>>743767986> every unreal engine AAA slop studio closing> sweeney grasping for excuses for investors to still want his shit engine > stutter stutter stutter> standby, caching shaders every time you load the game> stutter stutter stutter
>>743768195watching marxist art faggots who hate 95% of the rest of gamers try to make this a common issue has been fucking hilarious
Tim only says stupid things when he's awake.
>>743798758Don't forget Henry Ford>>743798234>Ironically gaming becoming is what will kill it.Both this and your version work the same.At least unlike coffee the supply of good titles is infinite, whether we're talking about buying them on an online store, disc, emulator or through piracy.
>>743799210There have been studies conducted, it's a majority of people (customers) that hate AI. The younger the demographic, the more hostile they are. The idea that it's just artists is propaganda. Hence Steam's AI disclosure being a feature.dumbfucks, Sweeney level intelligence. Yeah ignore the data for your own personal feelings, great way to run a storefront.
>>743767986why does timmy want to kill gaming so badly
>>743798168It's weird how "people" are scared of AI disclosure.
>>743798168calling it now, faggots like this are gonna start using the word "AIphobic"
>>743799332He made like 5 games in a row prior to Fortnite that flopped. Even Fortnite was a flop until they hard repositioned game modes. They became so scared they stopped making games.So yes, he fears a market rewarding creativity or originality, he does not want to compete in that ring.
>>743799337It's because of the backlash from the ignorant, not some "shame" they have.There was an outspoken group of people in the 70s that thought UPC barcodes were sinister. Some stores had to keep typing in prices the old way or they'd lose business. Not because they themselves were frightened of barcodes, but they didn't want to be protested by retards and lose business.This is a lot like that.
>>743781663and it'll keep getting to 500 posts because /v/ likes twitter postsgo back to bluesky if you don't like em
>>743799521Jill of the Jungle did OK.
>>743767986Why did this wigger have to buy Harmonix? I might actually rather them get acquired by private equity.
>>743780531When ai pops well have bigger problems than little timmy. they tied peoples 401Ks to spacex. When ai goes down its taking most of the economy and boomers/genXs retirement with them.
>>743799871>any day now>late stage capitalism>India superpower>China numba 1You're brown, poor and stupid.
>>743799614>It's because of the backlash from the ignorantI don't think AI defenders are the ones who will complain about this anon.
>>743799871goodit needs a hard reset
>>743799964Cryptobros and Metaversebros typed the same exact way. I'm tired of these reruns.2 more weeks until OpenAI generates a profit, I'm so sure.
>>743799614>equating lunatics who see the antichrist in anything but the antichrist with the flood of low effort content that's ruining the internet
>>743799614So whats your argument here, that unless you subscribe to a certain set of beliefs then you're not allowed to decide how you spend your money?
>>743799964your father should have finished on your mothers tits elon.>>743800002It does. But it's not gonna be pretty when it happens. And I don't think any of these rich fucks who think they can go hide in a bunker and wait out the collapse really appreciate whats gonna be waiting outside that door after all's said and done.
>>743800121Still brown, still poor, still butthurt your life is shit.
>>743799332Because he doesn't make games anymore, he makes toll booths. UE royalties, EGS exclusives, Fortnite slop, now AI shovelware. Anything that turns gaming into a pipeline of disposable content he can skim 12% off is good to him. Actual games made by actual studios competing on quality is a threat.
>>743800216"people" like you are fine with turning the world into a trash heap as long as they can stand on a taller pile of trash than othersdisgusting creatures, the lot of you
>>743800216>i sell ai slop on etsy heheh... try to keep upRemember to buy high and sell low.
>>743768459bloody bitch bastard
>>743768348>>743768768>>743768849Blueprints are awful for maintaining variations across engine versions, projects, and version control. It's conceptually the same as using a scripting language with a nice IDE, except it gives you carpal tunnel.
>>743800381You're too generous assuming that anon isn't projecting. AI bros are America's "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", they think Sam Altman and autogenerated spam will be their salvation.We've seen this before, this is like the third rerun. Crypto, NFTs, Metaverse. The house is the only one that wins.
>>743800517I don't need AI to be profitable, I just need it to produce things I want. Which it's already doing.
>>743797879Unlike Valve who makes no games?
>>743800689Alyx and Deadlock is infinitely more than Epic's release schedule.
>>743800132My point was no one is ashamed to be labeled with AI, it's just there's a backlash from the rabble that they'd prefer to avoid.Going back even further, the invention of the lightning rod was met with protests because some believed lightning bolts were sent by god himself and redirecting them was subverting his judgement.The average person is profoundly dumb and will take up whatever idea is popular at the time without much thought.
>>743800592buuuuullllshitits only popular cause jeets see it as another get rich quick schemeits why they're pushing it so damm hard and why they so desperaely try to shame everyone for the crime of having functioning eyeballsits especially funny when they project their envy onto others "ohhh you only hate it cause youe not the one making money with it", no you fucking retard, i hate it enshittens literaly everything it touches
>>743767986I just stopped using tech that come out after 2008.That includes games.
>>743800803I don't care about AI's popularity, I just need it to produce things I want.
>>743768348Learn to fucking code you retarded blueprint engineer jeet
>>743800850lies
>>743800893Why would I care about it?
>>743800983so it makes it acceptable for people to approve of your vibecoded slopit will never, but you believe it will
>>743801042What the fuck are you even saying?
>>743801061the obvious?
>>743800778I don't care, though. The position you're trying to defend is "purchasers of product should not know about this detail of the product". You need to make an argument why they needn't know about this detail. "I'd prefer them not to know" is not an argument because I don't care. "It would sell less if they knew" is not an argument either. I still don't care.
>>743797324these people don't think that way - all they do is try to generate investor speculation hype - that's it - nothing else matters
>>743793303if that was true then a market for organic products wouldn't exist and yet it does and it makes money.
>>743796903> Just two more years> but it can look at x-rays anon!!!
>>743796660all you retarded niggers are so lazy to research or know anything about the larger economy around you - if you did you'd realize that the entire western economy is collapsing and AI is some hail mary for wall street and it's a much worse and bigger bubble than past ones
>>743796627>AI is bigger than the internetdumb nigger day trader
>>743796252>I'm genuinely curious about the anti AI position.because you dont understand basic human behavior at a societal level - or decadence of the upper class - because you are a nigger that doesn't read history books and gets his idea of the world from netflix
>>743799325you're a retard. The applications of it that are actually functional are really only art - int he wider business world AND IN CODING it's 95% useless. You idiots believe in hype so fucking much.
>>743801194>it makes moneykek - perfect lawyer speak
>>743801395thanks
>>743796252Not anti AI myself but I'm assuming their posts fall into two categories:>delusional meat artists in despair, no plan, just flailing>retarded trolls who are just baiting by being contrarianThose are the only two things that make sense to me, I've never once heard a rational argument against it.I've heard that AI is simultaneously useless and also a threat to human jobs so figure that out I guess.
>>743793303>>743793614What's with the random capitalisation?
>>743767986I guess i'll just have to not play UE6 games, won't be missing much
>>743793303when you spend time on reddit this is what you become
>>743771905SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>743783298I look like this, I say this, and I do this.
>>743801356Only shitty coders hate AI because their procedural slop is only marginally better than the slop AI makes when given vague instructions.If you're not a retard and actually using AI properly you'll actually making games/applications that stand toe-to-toe with slop funded by billion dollar corporations.
>>743801356>int he wider business world AND IN CODING it's 95% useless...The most widely adopted application of it is Claude code.Also none of what you had to say had anything to do with my point.
>>743801885everything has significantly gotten shittier since they started to push AI code, so, its very obviously not that way
>>743802050just stop noticing bro
>>743767986you are just gonna train their AI until it's good enough to become a paid service.
>>743802050And how is that my problem? I should stop using AI because jeets don't know how to use it?
>>743767986>Yeah, send your personal informations and passwords to the american AIs
The only logical reason you think forcing AI disclosure would hurt a platform is if you agree that AI use is still going to put off a significant amount of customers and there are devs who also know this and don't want to have to discloseThere's no honest reason to oppose the rule
>>743802210thiskinda goes against the whole luddite narrative when consumers actively choose to avoid a product if it contains AI
>>743802120If everyone pushes to set a standard of use maybe it would be better in the long run>number of videos jumped from 300 in the pic to 1.5k
>>743798919Wut? Why would you ‘get hit with spam?’ WTF does that even mean lol. You get a ticket to implement features or bug fixes. You do the work and request a PR. Now AI is part of the process and doing most of the coding work. But what spam? I’m talking about real world here not open sourced GitHub PRs lolololol. Who the fuck cares about that. People who say AI is making software and games buggier are just self reporting as not being in the industry xD just put the fries in the bag bro
>>743793689kek it's true
>>743767986>aiShan't
>>743767986kys and fuck your ai
>>743802327is it full ai videos or just static the one image from the thumbnail with music behind it? or something in between with new pictures every few minutes
>>743802325>>743802210>I refuse to buy this table because they used a nailgun instead of a hammer>And I'm going the extra mile to review bomb it and harrass the people who made it
>>743767986>How long can Steam afford to have "AI disclosures" as a policy when literally every game is going to use AI?The industry is crashing around Epic in case you haven't noticed.
if ai is not a big thing anymore, why are ai fags seething so hard at having to disclose the use of ai?
>>743801964claude is fucking garbage too - cry more faggot
>>743802501if the nailgun products all fall apart in two days and don't work - then yes
>>743802501You can't review a game on Steam without buying it
>>743802519i mean, since AI is purely a marketing term and it's just software then having to differentiate AI from normal code is kind of a mess - AI art generation is the more sticky talking point
>>743767986I'll believe it when I see it, so far AI is still a big red flag. Not because the AI is definitely bad but because devs who use AI tend to make really bad games most of the time.
>>743802479From what I've seen, and please do forgive me for not doing a full investigation on ai women playing bagpipes, it's ai videos albeit repeating ones, so not a constant flux of new ai gen visualsAll the lives are constant, you can go back 12 hours (which is the max for a vod, typically a stream would stop the vod before that for preservation but it appears they all run constantly, yes all of them are 12 hrs)
>>743802703same thing with woke story telling and the implication of DEI hiring
>>743802634do you really think ai code is unrecognizable and won't lead to a sameish look and feel of games.What do you think happens if a thousand people query 'make me a 2d metroidvania game'
>>743802589Except that's not what happens.>>743802606You know review/refund bombing is a ting on Steam, right?
>>743802765>You know review/refund bombing is a ting on Steam, right?Can't believe disgusting goys have access to such tools and information! You know EGS doesn't have reviews or ai disclosure, just put your games there
>>743802763what you are describing is TEMPLATES and it already was - every unreal engine game has the same shitty lighting and garbage animations - you didn't need "AI code" for that - you are making my point for me. Many of you are over estimating what AI is capable of jsut because wall street speculation hype makes it sound so amazing and awesome so they can get investor money - it's a giant bag of hot air and if you realize how limited it's use really is you wouldn't feel so threatened by it. That being said the AI generated art is one of the only valid complaint areas but i think that's unavoidable and all those artists are shit out of luck
>>743802763>make me a 2d metroidvania gameThat's shitty prompting for one. Secondly, shitty derivative slop like that exists in part due to the barrier of entry being high for creating games that people really want to create. If you're some no-name dev on a shoestring budget and you don't want to spend 10 years on a game, your options are limited in what you can create. >>743802858so you admit it's a bigger problem than tech illiterate retards just not buying your game.
>>743802765> except except except except people like you never have detailed examples and only vague elusions - i've worked in engineering for 20 years and become a bloodhound at smelling software company bullshit
>>743767986what happened with UE5 and the phororealistic shit in real time from the presentation
>>743802713What an odd thing to domakes me wonder a bit if it's actually somebody anti ai trying to corrupt training data faster on something he loves, ai training on itself has been a major dampener on its development
>>743802936Where are your detailed examples, then? You're the retard making the broad claim that AI usage inevitably leads to instability: >>743802589
>>743802904If we have to choose between customers getting tricked into buying something they otherwise wouldn't have from lack of disclosure or some devs being bothered by spiteful retards, then guess what choice we as customers are going to go with
>>743802327>>743802713That channel is an example of it being handled by an unironic retarded human being without any standards and self-awareness, the fact that they aren't embarrassed from uploading that worthless and contextless slop is proof of that. I actually believe that AI can create something high quality and interesting, but it needs someone who cares about what results they want to produce and keep refining and polishing until the result is indistinguishable from a handcrafted work.
>>743803057>tricked into buying something>oh no! I bought a game and I got the game that was advertised! How could they do this to me?You are actually clinically retarded. Like, it's a wonder you even have the mental capacity to power on a computer.
>>743802889>Many of you are over estimating what AI is capableI've been in the AI industry for 14 yearslmao retard>>743802904that's just an example.>gen me a bounce ball physic formulawill always lead to the same copied calculations. LLMs can't do math
>>743803029the detailed examples of AI not working? I'm supposed to prove a negative? You really are a jeet
>>743803164> just two more years!> still no examples of it being useful except niche use case senior engineers using it for trivial scripting bullshit
>>743803164>I've been in the AI industry for 14 yearsyou've been a day trader for 14 years - literally no real person in the tech world who knows what they are doing is positive about AI - it's a conversation bot for midwits that can't tell when it's wrong
>>743803165No, you're the one making the claim, Reddit. >>743803164Video game math is pretty standardized atp, you'd just ask AI to make your code data driven so you can configure it to your liking.
>>743803149Disingenuous-anon, you know full well I don't want to buy games made with AI, and so do a significant chunk of the customer-base. We don't need you approval for that, we just don't want to buy them, and so we are glad that Steam chose to side with the customers over devs in this case. Go sell your AI-slop games on the platform that doesn't side with customers first, and enjoy all those many people who choose to buy games from the less customer-friendly company instead.
tim sweeny hates Linux he is only talking about this cause it makes him look right
>>743767986Tim, difference between you and Linus is that, Linux actually works, while your shitty launcher is still somehow buggy and slow after all these years and your engine is soo bad that just the mention of UE5 already makes people feel disgusted.AI won't save your ass.
>>743803295you're still not proving anything to him or anyone else ITT
>>743803335He made the claim that AI software is inherently broken. He has nothing to back this up.
>>743802372>Why would you ‘get hit with spam?Then you literally don't use, or even frequent any large open source project if this a legitimate question.>I’m talking about real world here not open sourced GitHub PRs lolololol. Who the fuck cares about that. Fortune 500 corporations that use those same codebases. So their decisions are relevant in ""the real world"".Everything you say is a self report you don't actually code even at a hobbyist level. Go back to your dumbfuck podcasters or whatever.
>>743803386so repeating yourself again for a 3rd or 4th time and still not providing any detail explanations is somehow different? You seem retarded
>>743802554I didn't comment on its quality, just what is adopted as industry standard tooling. Nothing you said had anything to do with my point. Did you respond to the wrong post?
>>743767986>anti-ai people are retardedYeah no shit. Timmy may be a faggot but he’s completely right here. They’ve already got Claude hacking seemingly foolproof systems and a mathematician at Harvard literally used an open-source version to solve a century old problem in mathematics a few days ago. Anyone saying AI is a fad is just being a contrarian at this point.
>>743803164>the AI industrySelf report you aren't actually in "the AI industry". It is not one singular technology, that's a marketing angle. People that actually work in these fields are more specific.
>>743803547That's nice, still not buying your game. Not giving you money for something you just asked a computer to make for you.
>>743803514If you don't know how burden of proof works, that on you, reddit-spacer.
>>743803295>Video game math is pretty standardized atpIn the event you're doing the same exact thing as everyone else. Add even a tiny wrench (eg VR) and LLMs become entirely useless, as if they weren't already questionable.Hell, simply try to do things in a deterministic or data oriented way and the general public facing documentation in the context of games isn't really much.
>>743802713>>743802327>check this out>the channel is popping off nowSo basically it wasn't unpopular because it was bad, but because people just hadn't heard about the beauty of Eirona's pipes?
>>743767986Reminder: if you support ai, you support the death of affordable consumer computer hardware
>>743803718my game engine is pure ECS and features non euclidean portals. Coded by Claude and GPT.The trick is you can't just say, "Add VR, portals, and weird gravity, make no mistakes" and be done with it. You have to discuss your requirements first and then constrain it to a certain style of architecture, telling it what code it's not allowed to touch, where you want the math to live, what you want to be configurable, etc.
>>743803149You're the one who is clinically retarded. If AI usage is disclosed, then the game is as advertised. If it's not disclosed and the product is sold on the premise that AI isn't used to increase sales then it's deceptive.
Meanwhile I'm in a developer position, and the contract explicitly prohibits the use of AI. I don't particularly care one way or the other, but at least it's easy to say "client didn't want us to use AI" when I'm asked if I use AI in my work.
>>743803881No shit, if the platform requires disclosure. You fucking brownoid.
>>743803747>the channel is popping off nowLol no, those 6 livestreams running continuously for days on end? 0 views each>>743803090Even if that was the case, let's say that (you) are actually a master craftsman and can actually utilize aigen to make something amazing, you still have to compete with people that treat your field as a get rich quick scheme. And you're most likely outnumbered. It's enough for 1000 people to spam 1000 videos each and you already have more videos that you have to filter through that you have time to watch in a lifetime.I've mentioned this in another thread but spotify is trying to remove spammy songs, last year in september they reported the removal of over 75 million songs and that's still ongoing.On steam alone there have been over 20k games released last year, 13k in current year according to steamdb. There's simply too much.I'm not saying (you) might not pull it off, but even with quality your chances are slim. There's a reason why in the streamer sphere there's Neuro-sama... and that's it. And I'd bet there's probably hundreds of copycats that people don't care for, nor will they ever care for.Look, you do you. Maybe you actually can pull off something amazing, but know why people don't want more.
>>743803868> just say, "Add VR, portals, and weird gravity, make no mistakesYou're free to try that out with actual players. You don't just "add VR", otherwise the dogshit flatscreen ports and VR mods would be top selling titles.I feel like for anti-AI programmers, nothing is good enough to ship. For pro-AI programmers, anything is good enough to ship.
>>743767986Something something broken clock twice a say somethingTimmy still needs to neck himself for unrelated reasons tho.
>>743767986>Lil Timmy using Torvalds' more nuanced take to justify his slopwareYeah, no, there is a spectrum of this shitUsing AI as a static analyzer is genuinely useful. Timmy's shit? HAHAHAHHAA.
>>743796735Yes but unreal is retarded nigger coded.
>>743803997>For pro-AI programmers, anything is good enough to ship.I don't know anon. With AI, I feel like I'm more critical of existing code than I was before. It's much easier to justify total refactors and QoL additions when I can just fuck my wife in VR while Claude runs in the background for 15 minutes instead of pulling an all-nighter.
>>743803770>All the normalfags leaveCareful, giving hopes like that is how you get AI Heads of States before you blink
>>743804107From my experience, VR-specific code tends to be extremely low margin of error. It's not even just if it compiles or werks but if the human psychology behind it clicks.Like if someone is using Claude to make a VR character controller then it's going to be unfettered ass. If they're using it to generate something a damage system, then okay there's a good margin of error allowed there.
>>743803961I agree with you, however the problems you pointed out are usually a case of three things, bad quality, no (good) marketing and no consistency. All three have to be achieved for people to care about something, good quality is self apparent, the creator needs to choose and pick websites to post on what they did where people will care about their work, and lastly if they consistently continue to put out good work then it's not a fluke and people will start to care more. If someone in the world created a game through AI that I would love, but I skip over it because I saw a garbage trailer, then that's on the creator for being monumentally retarded on the finish line.
>>743804161No, it just means everyone will be using cloud services instead of running things locally
>>743802501if the majority are doing that....then yes companies will stop producing tables with nailguns. or they'll try and trick you into buying nailgun tables anyway unless theres legislation to get them to stop doing that. the only reason you'd be against an AI disclaimer is if you are afraid that it will hurt your sales.
>>743803925>no shit I was exactly wrong about what I said, duh
>>743802501>crying that the customers are being unreasonableThey are the reason the platform exists, not a vocal minority of vibecoders and "ai artists". If the userbase wants the disclosure, the disclosure stays.>b-but no one could tell if it's aiFlat out lie. If that were the case then no dev would be pressured to put the disclosure (or often times caught and forced to) on their store page.Shut up, you're actively hostile to the people that use Steam. Fucking Sweeney's minions.
>>743804782you are right, even if tim gets his way, that will just put the burden on the consumer to inform through word of mouth about AI usage. all it does is further erode consumer trust in an era where its rapidly disintegrating, and needlessly place consumers in a hostile relationship with developers
>>743767986>steam will fall this timeGive it a rest already timbo.
>>743767986I am 100% onboard with the idea of bashing and despising low effort ai dogshitMass produced ai shit much like the content farms on youtube, the shitty ai memes on twitter made by retards, the flooding of every booru with ai sewage; threatening to congest the videogame market, already riddled with low effort phone games, gachas, roblox tier time wasters peddled to people with no tasteThat is the interface almost everyone universally has with ai; a tool for people who don't want to exert effort to pump vast amounts of meaninglessness in a world where everyone's human presence is turning from the source of dreams and ambitions to an obstacleTHAT world is absolutely grimI will say though, if we were able to limit giving ai to people who had taste, it would be a different story""""art"""" generated by an actual artist with taste is in a world of its own over what someone off the street could coax out via prompts.People are judging the results of ai by a lot of their lowest common denominator inputs, and its unaltered default outputs. People say "I can recognize ai instantly" because you can easily employ the same simple pattern recognition you use to detect unity shovelware; that blue rim light shading, blue and grey skybox with the strong beaming sun, that default stiff and slow walking animation, the same fucking city assets.Nothing I can say can convince someone with a disgust for the sloppening of everything to give ai a try. Worst is is that we actually need people with real taste to take the reigns with it.It's like everyone's been given a genie with infinite wishes, and 99% of all wishes are "I want more money, give me a hot bimbo blonde elf gf with big knockers, fix my depression, tell me what this rash is on my left elbow"- it's easy to blame the genie for catering to retards going "orchestrate a scam using ai voice to scam grandma out of her retirement" but I genuinely think it's that we don't have enough good wishers.
>AI is so great! It's the future! It's humanity's greatest invention! I love AI!>Ahhhhh! Don't make me say that I use AI in my game! No! That's not fair! Stop! Ahhhh! I want to sell my game without having to reveal that! Ahhhh!
>>743786679>and make it a jeet
>>743805119yea these "white people" suck i hope u never have to live in one of those countries
>>743796185With good curation and comedic timing
>>743805037I think a lot of current problems would be avoided if we just heavily segregated AI from the start. That's why I don't have as much of a problem with AI boorus because they're not clogging up the regular ones. But things like google image search and pinterest are completely infected.
>>743804782The entirety of EGS was Sweeney's gamble that if he catered to devs/publishers and gave the shaft to customers, they'd come crawling to wherever the games were regardless of how they were treated. He spent however many billion dollars gambling on this logic and it blew up in his face every single fucking time, but somehow he still hasn't learned anything from it.>>743802501When the hammer is manufactured sustainably while the nailgun is made by strip-mining rare-earth metals, boiling off lakes of water, pouring sludge into the oceans, etc., yes, conscious consumers would probably refuse any tables made using that kind of technology.Imagine being mad about companies marketing eggs as "cage free" or steaks as "grass fed" because>you couldn't tell when you ate itas though experience at the point of consumption was the only thing relevant when considering what products to buy.
>>743805039Should we also disclose what libraries and engines we're using? That I used blender instead of 3ds max?
>>743805495>That I used blender instead of 3ds max?Are there a significant number of customers who care?
>>743805495Code libraries usually come with an associated license, and usually those licenses specify that you must reproduce the copyright notice as-is for your distributions. Usually those are just included as some sort of a license.txt file next to the binary you distribute, but some developers list them in the credits somewhere within the application/game.
>>743805624Should they care?
>>743767986The anti-AI agenda is pushed primarily by chinese, russian and european governments to try and stagnate or kill american AI progress in hopes that they can slow it down enough to compete. It is adopted by leftists who are miserable and just want to stand against anything that they perceive as good or constructive for society.
It's like when I see a warning label on food that says "contains MSG" and I think "thank God, I like how it tastes"
>>743805240It's funny cause when I was talking to people about this the other day, someone brought up the idea of just having "AI automatically detect low effort AI slop and filtering it"
>>743805670UE's reputation for games with dogshit performance is such that I think devs ought to be required to disclose when UE was used, for instance. And fortunately, they are, not because of storefront policy but because of Epic's license policy. If you're a player, it SHOULD matter to you which engine a dev was using as it informs your decision to purchase the game and the kinds of research you would do before purchasing a game, and if it does matter to you (like it should) then you should be told (which you are).
>>743767986Based.Luddites are all leftists, anyway. All the luddite cope you see on this board is from people who previously came here to do lefty astroturfing.
>>743805637So when will games using raylib need a badge on their storefront telling consumers to preemptively judge it for not rolling out their own renderer?
>>743805860When consumers start reviewbombing and mass-refunding games that use raylib, to an extent that the storefront wants to preempt them purchasing it in the first place rather than deal with their outrage after the fact.
>>743805670Doesn't matter, on this issue they DO careIt's up to you to convince them to not care, and so far such efforts have utterly failed, hence now this effort to go over their heads and just pressure Steam to stop catering to them caring
Unreal Engine was already a fucking mess and now it will have hallucinated code on top of it.
>>743805860So far code libraries, storefronts or engines have not specified that requirement. Licenses for code libraries are usually more about attributing credit to the original code's author(s), and essentially stating that those original author(s) are not responsible for what the code was used for.
>>743767986Not allowed on Steam. Get fucked.
>>743805925Sounds like consumers are retards with opinions they're not qualified to have, then.
>>743805240>I think a lot of current problems would be avoided if we just heavily segregated AI from the start.Which brings us back to what Timmy said, that it shouldn't be disclosed. But what you said, anon, is the correct thing. If it was done from the start, and if it was done properly the internet might not be slowly suffocating on itself.This whole discussion, at least when it comes to illustration is like the scenario where every photographer tried to pass their photos as hyper realistic drawings just to spite drawers.
>>743806013And yet you want their approval (and money)? you can take the "goy are mindless cattle who will eat whatever slop I serve them" mindset if you want, you can see how well that's been working out for AAA gaming the last half-decade. Surely open loathing of your target customers coupled with widespread deceit is a recipe for success.
>>743781663>click>report as spam/floodingprofit
>>743767986thank god, that means that ai is a fad and will die out within a decade
>>743781495yeah it's like your significant other saying "I'm sorry you had to find out this way" ..
>>743806138It's not slop, it's a tool for giving you the exact same game the developer otherwise could have spent 10x more time and money on. You're only making this dichotomy because you're a retarded American who thinks consumer demand is God.
the rise of the ideas man, with no follow through on said ideas.
>>743793367I rememebr reading how vinyl records were made by amassing all the worlds music togethor and having an algorythm vibe out a piece based on a prompt, the vinyl being somehing anyone on the planet could produce for free and as many times as they wished with no artist being compensated.
>>743801292you're mentally inept
>>743806339if you don't like the consumers and find them retarded, then move to a different industry with a customer base you prefer. this is capitalism.
>>743800778Nigger, you're arguing that it's perfectly fine for publishers to not announce they're using Denuvo or other cancerous DRM shit.Go fuck yourself then go kill yourself
>>743791723This but the opposite, ai should parse the code you wrote 100% and fix any grammatical errors preventing the code from working.
>>743767986Why should disclosures be a problem, even if it becomes commonplace? It costs nothing save a tiny bit of space on a store page. You claim that ai is going to be sooo good, so why are you afraid to share the fact you have used it?
>fake xeet>500 replies
>>743767986Anybody who calls AI haters "luddites" just exposes themself as slop peddler.
>>743806612His best excuse so far has been 'people might review bomb and harass the devs for using AI'
>>743806339>the developer otherwise could have spent 10x more time and money onDo indie game devs even spend that much time coding how the game works in contrast to the artistic decisions about the game's direction, aka the hard part? (I specify game devs, because with or without AI, teams with 300+ members can't make a good AAA)
>>743806672Depends on the game, really. Usually the core part of any given game is pretty small, but there might be a plenty of scripting (game events, cutscenes, dialogue, enemy behavior, etc) that takes a bulk of the workload.
>>743806339>It's not slopIt is>it's a tool for giving you the exact same game the developer otherwise could have spent 10x more time and money on.Even if that were true (and it's not) I'm not going to pay full price for a game that cost 10% as much to make just to line your kike pockets with a few extra shekels.
>>743802372>Why would you ‘get hit with spam?’>SAAR I HAVE FIXED PROBLEM WITH CODE - broke fundamental functions>SAAR I HAVE FIXED PROBLEM WITH CODE - nuked the codes readability and also it's now in jeet>SAAR I HAVE FIXED PROBLEM WITH CODE - broke a small function>SAAR I HAVE FIXED PROBLEM WITH CODE - changed a variable name to something that makes no sense>SAAR I HAVE FIXED PROBLEM WITH CODE - added a comment in jeet also broke major functionsNow multiply this by 1000.How is that not spam?
>>743805495Steamdb discloses game engine. If you ask a dev what software they use, they'll just outright tell you. Literally just ping the guy on Twitter or read their interviews. It's just that most people don't care if you use Adobe or Autodesk.
>>743803029>Where are your detailed examples, then? You're the retard making the broad claim that AI usage inevitably leads to instabilityNot him but Amazon's AWS services went dark because a retarded jeet using GPT pushed a "fix" that nuked AWS and made the entire internet go dark.That's pretty damning as a whole.
AI is literally only for shit skins who can't code or have any other experienceliterally a tool for the brownoids sitting in an office
>>743806627It's real, son.https://x.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/2077830952663793702
>>743805682This in and of itself is World Economic Forum propaganda, fear mongering to push more investments. You don't just "scale moar", without any massive innovation it largely reached a brick wall.The anti-AI sentiment is coming from a majority of customers, more skewed towards zoomers. If you're a geriatric 60 year old then I guess you're more likely to shill for AI statistically. There are actual studies conducted on this not based on "vibes".
>>743806817>its not true because I'm retarded and have strong opinions>>743806672I dont want to make indie games. I want to make AA and AAA games from the early 2000s.
Yes because we all need more shit games made with AI. This faggots only wants to push his fucking cringe engine which in 15 years still hasn't reached peak. Worthless Fortnite engine.
>>743806670That's so stupid lol "oh I should be allowed to lie because people might have the wrong opinions". Exactly what one would expect from these ""people"".
>>743806904Nigger my AI coded game is open source and MIT licensed. I don't care if people know it's AI coded. I just don't want a badge on my storefront telling emotionally incontient retards to prejudge the game.
>>743805495>hould we also disclose what libraries and engines we're using?Engines absolutely. For one you know if there's any underlying problems based on engine or in the case some crazy fuck goes above and beyond in RPGMaker that you have to look at the game and go "Damn, that is impressive" and makes you want to buy it to support some absolute sick cunt. It'd also make things much easier when it comes to reverse engineering them as we know what tools to use instead of the occasional need to guess.
>>743768348>Reminder that Sweeney is REMOVING blueprintsreally? what a nigger holy shit
>>743807137people will be judging it regardless once they know AI was used. in fact people would judge you more harshly because it would imply that you have things to hide.
>>743806793Aside from maybe the implementation of game events and enemy behavior or other gameplay factors I fail to see why genai would be needed, especially in the case of cutscenes, dialogue, messages and/or desriptions. Besides, the gameplay events or special enemy behavior still has to make sense, for example I fail to see how a game like Hollow Knight could benefit from AI, the gameplay is simple, the enemy behavior is simple, what probably takes a lot longer is building the world, the narrative and the art. Not many gamers would appreciate if they knew the latter were made with AI.>>743807041>I dont want to make indie games. I want to make AA and AAA games from the early 2000s.But the scope was way smaller back then, nowadays with modern engines you could easily do it. Dome Keeper would've been considered at least AA back in the early 2000s. With a solid plan you could easily make a game inspired by Dead Rising.
>>743805682>American ProgressHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>743807137If you hate those people so much, why do you feel entitled to have them as customers?
>>743807137>I don't care if people know it's ai coded, but I dont't want to have to tell them.Sure buddy
>>743807041>its not true because I'm retarded and have strong opinionsIt's not true because of the way the human brain works, we're drawn to "minimum viable product" as a form of output. Any tool which reduces the effort required to produce a thing will invariably lead to lower-effort things being produced.Supppose vibe-coding bullshit can get you a result that's 90% as good, and performs 90% as well, for 1% of the development time. Nobody is taking that deal and THEN devoting an additional 35% of the development time to get it from 90% as good to 100% as good. Everything will just get worse because 90% of the way there is good enough.Hell, UE is already a shining example of this. It's possible to retune the existing engine to do all sorts of things, but 90% of the games made in it look and feel the same because making adjustments to the defaults is more effort than it's worth. If everyone had to code movement from scratch, all games would have unique-feeling movement, but since there's a template, preset movement system baked in, only a tiny minority of devs who really give a fuck about movement will change it, and the vast majority of games made in the engine will play the exact fucking same because nobody can be assed to change the defaults.This is what a vibe-coded future looks like. Everything will be worse, because worse is still "good enough". Tools that enable low-effort slop to be vomited out will invariably result in low-effort slop being vomited out. If you don't want to drown in a sea of that vomit, you rage against those tools. It's your only choice.
>>743807296The lack of context shows how little faith you have in your beliefs
AI is for clueless shit skins, always will be. Not a single functional human being relies on this trash.
>>743807251>Aside from maybe the implementation of game events and enemy behavior or other gameplay factors I fail to see why genai would be neededIf you need a bunch of boiler plate quests, NPCs or events to sprinkle into a game, I guess that's one place AI could be used? But, you could just use some procedural or template generation for them, and it's not like you'd necessarily see any quality difference. Padding fluff in the end is just padding fluff.
>>743807401the context is chinese own 40% you shit faced faggot
Not allowed on Steam. Good luck with your jewish AI addition in shit games you shit out.
>>74380760740% of what? What the fuck is (you), you retard. I just checked the 7 biggest AI companies in the USA and tencent is not a major shareholder in any of them
>>743807461>But, you could just use some procedural or template generation for them, and it's not like you'd necessarily see any quality differenceNot to mention that it's better to have less events that are memorable compared to many events that are on the generic side. Like, take Titanfall 2 or Dishonored 2 time travel mission, that's special, it happens in one specific mission and if you want the player to have a good memorable experience you would do it "by hand" anyway.Or Noita's entire engine, a rouge whose pixel simulation creates smaller, most of the time, game events and challenges. I don't believe that the latest claude could come up with the mechanics for that game without prior knowledge.Or Elden Rings combat, you can opt for the easy way of using spirit ashes and only one AoW or you can engage in form expression because the combat was purposely made and tested to work that way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwKHGI__4HM Without prior knowledge, could a system like this be created from nothing using Claude?
>>743807810you must be fucking retarded
>>743807858There can be games where having more "stuff" might be beneficial, like maybe some sort of a management or grand strategy game. You wouldn't want the same handful events to repeat too often, because that can become predictable and thus less interesting. To me FTL had this problem, where the number of events (and their outcomes) were pretty easy to memorize, and so there was less surprise involved.Mind you, there's always a limit on how much "stuff" you should try to put in, but that can vary depending on design goals.
>>743807932Concession accepted
if you need AI to create a game my dude you are in the wrong industryI promise you will never make it
>>743808086yeah you are beyond fucking retarded and I never claimed this either it's typical political subhuman that is mentally ill but posts on /v/
>>743808182are you AI yourself? you posted that tencent owned 40% of some company in reply to my post about AI and I asked you the context and you called me retarded, now you are claiming your image has nothing to do with anything? Cope seethe more retard. American AI won.
>>743808078This is the sort of reasoning you can feed to something like fable, and it will genuinely respond with good brainstorming.Not only would it be able to shit out a trillion more scenarios, but it could take a step back on a holistic level and you can have a back and forth on identifying qualities that make for interesting scenarios and create a blueprint for generating an exponentially larger amount of scenarios by shifting the framing around.Fable is scarily good at game design philosophy if you steer it in that direction for a little bit.
>>743800495AI genned stuff won't be any better. You are forgetting that the person commissioning the AI will prune everything that isn't exactly the same.
>>743808465you are so beyond irredeemable fucking retarded it fucking hurts to even read your shitthe topic is Epic Games you mentally ill cripplenobody gives a shit about your "American AI" it's not even American, Anthropic is owned by Jews you fucking faggotif the chinese own 40% of Epic, anything that happens within that company, they have a say inyou are fucking retarded kill yourself
>>743767986>flood the market with numerous shiny looking slop games>outsourcing everything to India didn't work, but surely this will save our failing nigtillion dollarydoo franchises!All this will lead to is the same as the initial popularization of Unity lowering the bar of entry, with more people churning out half-assed asset swaps, turning online storefronts even more like into smartphone shovelware stores.
>>743808825I'm irredeemable because you replied to my post about AI in general and applied it to epic games, a company wants to use AI as a toolbro... you're straight up retarded... are you a zoomer because your reading comprehension is nearly non-existent
>>743808905That is the grim reality, but at some point I feel like people with actual talent who also use AI unashamed will set the record straight and show a gradience on game quality, just like how you can sense within a fraction of a second if a game is an asset flip piece of shit or a genuine effort in the same engine like valheim or some shit
>>743808939it's the typical political subhuman that thinks he knows but indeed is just a shit faced absolute utter tier subhuman that neither knows anything about AI nor about any fucking game enginejust joins a thread shit out some liberal leftist shit out of shit shit stained encrusted fucking mouth and thinks he posted something with valueyou by definition a retarded fucking nigger that will never even understand the slightdst shit going on in the worldEpic Games uses ANY AI means the chinese will 100% interfere with anything that happens with it you retarded fucking animal they have 40% in that fucking company literally a veto rightnot even Steam itself allows games made with AI without it being disclosed, it would mean every fucking game made with UE is instantly flaggedso nothing about it is American AI, not the fucking ownership, not the AIfucking kill yourself
>>743803225>>743803597where have I been particular positive about AI.where have I said I'm in every AI field.I bet you don't even know what the last AI hype was without looking it up.
Name 3 games made with UE that are good
>>743807394You stupid nigger, why is it my problem if other people want the path of least resistance? If my AI generated code isn't behaving or organized the way I want it, I call Claude a bitch and tell him what's wrong, how I want it fixed, and what I want to see after it's fixed. Whether that's input latency, a monolithic function, janky UI elements, or repeated code. You're being a lazy nigger by compressing patterns to a coarse model and delegating your thoughts to it. Which is exactly what low quality AI models do. You're as retarded as an LLM from 2023.
>>743768223It clearly costs them sales as your post shows
>>743809681All three of them are from Arc System Works, who might as well just make their own engine.
All I see is another excuse for shit developers. It might save you a couple minutes in solving a problem but you have still have to adjust indefinitely. The AI won't won't do it for you. It's the fuck it - ship it as is behaviour but that category already exists is caleld early access.
>>743769372This is like printing in every I'd that the user: breathes air.
>>743809238>Epic Games uses ANY AI means the chinese will 100% interfere with anything that happens with itThey will interfere with the implementation of AI in a game... wow so impactfulNone of my original post had anything to do with epic games you retard, half of your post is in the third person and the other half is seething drooling reddit-spaced jibberish. For for a walk kid, you need it.
