OP here I meant to compare BOTW vs elden ring, not TOTK.

OP here its a rhetorical question, no one played the toddler shit on the left

Haven't played the open world Zeldas, but I can already say they are better. ER's open world is literally just jarring time wasting while I imagine it's somewhat fun to explore and find loot, dungeons, puzzles, etc in Zelda.

>>743793191
the new zeldas. ER's open world is kind of bland honestly. both have lots of empty space but Zelda at least tries to play with the systems and sandbox it created, ER is just a souls game set to really wide. Souls is best with tight intentional design, kind of like classicvania.

ER has actual dungeons to find, for starters

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>>743793191
99% of open world games
>hold W for 60 seconds until you are at your next point of interest. once you get there, enjoy your shitty copy pasted dungeon
nuzelda
>here is an obstacle. how will you quickly and efficiently reach where you want to go? you have at least a dozen options. once you get there, enjoy your shitty copy pasted dungeon

this one secret sauce makes nuzelda top tier... for an open world game

>>743793191
I genuinely hate BOTW but in this case BOTW. Elden Ring's open world is legit one of the worst in the industry. It's awfully designed. Even shit like CV2 and Nioh 3 have better open worlds.

>>743793191
neither, both are shit in term of open world and both games despite being "open world" are empty as fuck

>>743794129
*open world is shit

Fixed. >>743794080

>>743793191
You don't even interact with ER's open world.

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>elden ring is ... le empty
did you guys even play the game?

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>>743793191
Oblivion

>>743793191
Neither because they both failed catastrophically. In BotW 99% of the world is meaningless because of the weapon durability system. In Elden Ring 99% of the world is meaningless because of the limited respecs which are not only resource gated but progress and exploration gated.

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>>743793191
Genshin mogs both, in size, variety and visual design.

>>743794365
>posts a whole bunch of shit literally not out in the open world
Way to prove the point you're trying to argue against.

>>743794365
ER is good on a first blind run because you have a reason to visit all those locations, replays it's a different story because if you have decent memory you can skip most things because you don't need it for your build. I'm very likely to use a randomizer on my next run to avoid this exact problem so I have a reason to scour the map again

>>743794080
I agree
And then TotK ruined that in a sequel

>>743794129
Name 3 good open world games then

>>743794494
>it doesnt count as content if you have to walk through a door first
ok

>>743793191
Zelda.
ER is a better game overall. It's just that the open world sucks ass and actively makes the game worse.

>>743794458
And you actually get something for traversing the world. It's objectively better than both.

>>743794558
Yes actually dumbass. The entire polnt of an open world game is that you can SEE everything around you and explore based on distant visuals. If everything is in a random fuck ass cave on the side of cliffs that you can't spot unless you run around hugging a wall that is not open world exploration. When I think of the open world I think of it having NOTHING in it because it does have nothing in it.

Limgrave and Lakes are good. Then it becomes boring.

I'm playing ER for the first time right now and it's definitely not empty, every area is dense as hell with shit to find. If anything I think it would be better with LESS in the world, keep all the best stuff but give me less caves/mines/catacombs so the stuff you do find is more meaningful.

ER's open world is legitimately just straight up bad cuase it's very clear Fromsoft genuinely have no idea how to design an open world game. ER is just a Dark Souls game stretched out to have space in between everything.

>>743794620
>The entire point of an open world game is that you can SEE everything around you and explore based on distant visuals
I can't the if some oddly specific fixation of a ultra autist or just a run of the mil retard being dishonest to "win" and internet argument
Anyway name your favortie open world games I'm curious

>>743794620
>see tall building in the distance
>go inside and explore
>that actually doesn't count because Im an autistic retard and decided it doesnt
>explore cliffs
>find a cave, a reward for my exploration
>that actually doesn't count either because uhm it just doesnt okay

>>743794458
>gacha
Immediately disqualified

>>743794736
Yeah I never got how they can call ER empty either it's just objectively false

>>743794818
>retard
It's not about the game. It's about the world. Genshin Impact objectively handles its open world significantly better than BotW or ER. There's no contest.

left by a slight margin

Is every post in this thread AI generated? I swear I've seen these exact posts dozens of times with slight variations.

comparing brap of the mild to elden ring is hilarious. ER is the best, and only good, open world game.

>>743794756
>>743794809
You can cope all you want but basically everyone agrees Elden Ring's open world feels empty. It's not me that excludes the dungeons from the open world. Fromsoft did that. There's zero thought and care put into blending them with the world. You could have selected them from a menu like Demon's Souls and the game would be unchanged because that's all Elden Ring is. A bunch of self contained closed off areas with empty space between them.

>>743794917
>basically everyone agrees Elden Ring's open world feels empty
are these people in the room with us right now?

>>743794953
>if I put my head in the sand and ignore the single biggest criticism the game ever gets it doesn't exist
Concession accepted. You lost.

>>743794869
>It's not about the game, it's about the world
The world isn't part of the game then?
Game is still gacha and therefor not worth talking about

>>743794818
You can count the single-player version of genshit with leaked server files, and it will still be superior despite being a few years out of date.

>>743794869
You're right but retarded ERfags and BOTWfags aren't ready for that cold hard truth.

>>743794917
>everyone agrees Elden Ring's open world feels empty.
I've literally never seen anyone outside of /v/ claim that, here it's parroted by contrarians and retards and was presumably started by those discord trannies that wanted the game to bomb, it's just so blatantly false no one could genuinely believe that after having played it other than complete idiots like you that value what they read in a shitpost over reality
Still waiting to hear about your favorite open world games ;)

>>743794080
totK actually made a valiant effort in not copy pasting the dungeons, as each is fundamentally designed differently, the wind temple is the most like the divine beasts, a large open space with non-linear progression, the pyramid is a classic linear dungeon of subsequent rooms like those in the first few Zelda games, the volcano ruins test your ability to move vertically between rooms and the water dungeon is divided between the lakebed waterworks where you restart the water flow and the floating island where you clean up the mud.

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>>743794458
Did you pull Columbina during her rerun? Grats Anon.

>>743794989
If we're going by your logic then GI not only has a better open world but is also a better game. Not sure what your plan was but sure, let's go with that.

>botw has no dungeons
>totk is an asset flip with the exact same map
ER easily wins

>>743795035
>it's so blatantly false
And yet you can't argue against it.
>Still waiting to hear about your favorite open world games ;)
Open World games suck so I don't have a favourite. ER is just the worst among a dog shit genre. But if you want an open world game that actually knows how to be an open world game, unlike Elden Ring then Crimson Desert. Can't wait for you to instantly dismiss it as shit for being gookslop or whatever dumb meaningless buzzword you plan on using. You're a dishonest kike so I know you never actually cared about what open world game I could have said and just want to use it as a tool.

BOTW. I don't think it's close. People like ER because it's the roll r1 game, and they confuse one thing for another. ER doesn't reach botw's ankles when it comes to world interaction. Both are big worlds, but that doesn't matter. What do you do when you come up to a cliff in both games? In one of them you can traverse past it in a number of ways. In the other, you follow a set walking path laid out for you or you die to fall damage.

>>743795121
>asset flip
>ER wins
90% of ER is reused assets. This criticism would fly with nearly any other game being compared but ER is just as guilty.

>>743795136
>I know you never actually cared about what open world game I could have said and just want to use it as a tool.
Has there ever been an example of someone asking for you to name a game as an example where it wasn't instantly apparent they were being dishonest and planning on dismissing it no matter what you say? Nobody says that shit genuinely.

>>743795136
There is nothing to argue it's like claiming the sun it's green or 2+2=9, the open world if objectively full of stuff there is no debate to be had
There are plenty of actual critisim of it one can have but saying it's empty is just false
>Open World games suck so I don't have a favourite
>The entire point of an open world game is that you can SEE everything around you and explore based on distant visuals
I guess it was "run of the mil retard being dishonest to "win" an internet argument"

>>743795368
See>>743794982

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>>743795058
No, during her first run, this time I nabbed Sandy.

>>743793191
I like both games, but I actually hate that they are too open, they are way too repetitive. BOTW // TOTK are more interactive and unique, but most of the shit is still repetitive. I'd give it to Elden Ring for the open world, but to btototkw for creatitivy.

>>743795058
>>743795478
Please stay on topic, why do you promote single player games with always online drm and $200 per character dlc "games" in a ER vs TOTK thread?

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>>743795368
>I guess it was "run of the mil retard being dishonest to "win" an internet argument"
The irony

>>743793191
Elden Shit is just Dark Souls 3 with a horse, the empty open space adds nothing of value to the game.

>>743795545
>always online drm
that sucks, I agree, especially if you play it on windows, since it installs ring-0 chinese malware
>and $200 per character dlc
you mean $0 DLCs, unlike oblivion horse armor and modern horrors of paid cosmetics in western games, you don't need to pay in gacha

>>743793326
LOl

>>743793191
botw horses look much more fuckable, so that

>>743793191
You will have stretches of land with nothing except the ground texture and stamina bar keeping you entertained. You see a rock circle Korok "puzzle" a hundred meters to the left, but knowing the solution and reward without having to interact with it, you decide that it isn't worth your time. You enter your fortieth Shrine and are faced with a puzzle that's just as easy as the previous 39 because some players might enter that Shrine first. You do it without putting much thought into it and get the same reward as all the other times.

After exiting the disappointing Shrine, you encounter a camp with one of three possible types of humanoid enemies. You consider fighting them but sensing that the reward is five fire arrows or something equally boring, you run through it with no repercussions, not wasting your weapon durability. Finally arriving at your location, the cool thing you saw in the distance 20 minutes ago, you find one of three things. A chest with something insubstantial, another korok "puzzle" or just nothing at all. The journey wasn't fun, and the destination wasn't either.

That's BotW. That's what you will praise.

>>743795546
>makes the absurd claim that ER is empty
>is shown it isn't the case>>743794365
>claims it doesn't count because of some made up autistic reason>>743794620
>asked to show games that better conform to his austic rule for open world games(which btw I think ER actually does)
>he refuses and also admits he hates open world games
Yeah I was the one being dishonest here not him

>>743794553
Gothic
Gothic 2
Risen

>>743795734
Yep. BotW's open world is shit. Luckily for Nintendo ER's open world is equally shit.
>enters the hundredth copy/pasted cave/mine/crypt
>slog through it
>get an item at the end that will never be used for your build
>"oh boy this never gets old i can't wait to do this another hundred times"
>playing the game as the developers intended doesn't actually benefit you in any way and you could've saved 50 hours if you just looked up a rune farm spot because that's effectively all you get a vast majority of the time you explore something in ER

To find out which game did open world better, find out which game is still being talked about today.

ToTK got mogged in the year it released, by a shitty furfag RPG. Despite /v/ and /vg/ being a Nintendie board, even the general of Zelda got killed by the NuZeldas. That's how damaging they were to the franchise on here alone, so damaging the only Zelda threads you now see are

>ToTK being compared to better games to bait engagement in the OP, case and point this thread. Latching off Elden Rings relevant coattails
>"Favorite Zelda girl"
>OoT remake hype because /v/ is clammoring for Nintendo to drop this entire open world cringe

But hey, that's just me proving that /v/ clearly prefers Elden Ring to any of the Nu Zeldas.

If you want actual tangible figures which I know NuZeldafags love talking about sales and "gotys" when it suits them so let's talk about them

Elden Ring has more sales than ToTK
Elden Ring has more GoTYs than ToTK

No matter the metric you wanna use, be it relevance on 4chan (this very website) or commercial/critical success, Elden Ring > ToTK.

Cope
Seethe
Cryaboutit

>>743795696
You tacitly saying, "The highlight of ER is tediously running past enemies on Torrent to find copy pasted dungeons with copy pasted bosses at the end of them over and over", is much more LOL worthy tbqhwyf

>>743795667
>you mean $0 DLCs
My frens always tell me about pity and their characters and c6 and some shit and weapons with a different banner, I'm so fucking disgusted, I tried it once, sure the characters are cool, but damn nigga... better invest in real life figures, than in fucking digital gacha characters. I know you can play f2p, but still this is such a hardcore turn off. I wonder if gachafags would still play genshin, if it was a $60 one time purchase game and every new character is like $5 or a season pass. And how are those games "online play" all I hear is "can I join your world and farm?" Like cmon... I hate this fucking game, I can't hear it in the fucking discord anymore.
>>743795773
based german

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>>743794080
I actually think the problem is that most open world games have too much stuff in it...

>>743793191
>Genshin Impact vs Dark Souls
YAWN

>>743795760
uh huh

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>>743795545
I like Genshin but it's not for everybody. It gets free DLCs every six weeks. I felt empty after completing Zelda and Elden Ring because they're not gonna be updated forever.

>>743796563
what's so good about Genshin?

>>743793191
Dragon's dogma 2
Gothic 2

>>743796756
Just about everything about it is good unless you're one of those retards who is extremely impulsive and lacks self control or you feel entitled.

>>743796563
Genshin peaked in Sumeru and it's been downhill since.

>>743796916
>oh god i fucking love the region that has more exploration gating than every other region combined
>it's such good design being forced to explore nearly everything 2-3x over if you don't do the correct quests immediately
Nah. Sumeru was a great region aesthetically but they completely dropped the ball with the decision to gate so much exploration and important world building behind extremely specific sidequests which require real time days to progress.

>>743796981
I'd rather that then not have it but in a bland map like Natlans. I guess you could argue Fontaine but the underwater shit overstays it's welcome and stops being fun way before finishing.

>>743796785
Type of post you clap your ass to

>>743797040
Design decisions in Fontaine and Natlan are very likely direct responses to internal data regarding the way players interacted with Sumeru. They didn't need to swing the pendulum so hard the other way but that's just how executives do things.

>>743796916
The recent map is the Moon from this month and it is beautiful, and the first Snezhnaya map will be out 20 days from now.

better game: elden ring
better open world: botw

>>743797547
Only correct opinion. Though ER isn't that much better than BOTW. It's a 7/10 itself.

>>743793191
Open world is a waste of time and I wish it would fuck off already.

>>743793191
Both shit

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>>743793191
I haven't played a single Zelda game in my life but elden ring is abysmal dogshit so probably zelda

>>743793191
genshin impact and crimson desert are the kings of open world games now

>>743797910
What about WuWa?

>>743793191
ER obviously

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>>743796756
It's like BOTW but a real game.

>SEA hours
>Genshintroons out of fucking nowhere

>>743798039
Genshin really is just BOTW if it actually had some interesting and unique interactions with the open world and infinitely better visual design.

>>743797925
I hear people like it but I never played it. I don't like how unreal engine games look most of the time.

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>>743798063
and a story and a reason to play it. BOTW felt like a beta test for genshin to me.

>>743798064
Yeah never played it myself either. I see Genshin's world praised a lot and I have played Genshin and I'd agree it's open world is top tier but never see anyone talk about WuWa's world.

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>>743797786
whyd you play it for so long

>>743798229
I used to like darksouls PvP but ds1 and 3 are basically dead so I had to settle for elden shit
Also they closed the darksouls 3 servers for months until right up to the release of elden shit so a lot of the regular ds3 players quit and moved on

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>>743798607
>Also they closed the darksouls 3 servers for months until right up to the release of elden shit
Damn I didn't hear about that, that's shady as hell. I didn't even buy ER since I didn't like the way the series has evolved, just pirated it. I don't think I would have liked the pvp in it much but I did like it in the earlier games.

>>743798120
Wuwa is kinda weird cause despite having air grapple like monster hunter rise and wallrun with double jump they give you elytra after a ceirtain moment. It also got a bike with glider and accurate slope physics+sonic boost. There's a lot of shmovement you can do in wuwa, but there's somewhat less stuff to find at least compared to first 3 regions of genshin. Basically BOTW forced slow climbing vs TOTK launch a rocket difference. Although world/lore design is still peak, it's just somewhat less of the main attraction. It's also objectively the single most beautiful game in existence, so here is that.

>>743798120
>never see anyone talk about WuWa's world.
Because it's the worst part of the game. They don't have the design chops nor the aesthetic mastery so you're rushed through exploration as quickly as possible with all the excessive movement options the game gives you. Kuro is fully aware that they couldn't make anywhere near as good of an open world so they give you the tools to speed through and they hope you'll be too distracted by the zooming to really pay attention to that bland world you're zooming through.

>>743799110
the world is fine it's just kuro's obsession with player feedback and accessability that causes this. Because most gacha players can not in fact appreciate world exploration at all

>>743793326
LOL

>>743798703
>Damn I didn't hear about that, that's shady as hell
NTA someone discovered a massive security issue with the netcode, it was entirely possible to upload actual viruses into anyones computer you were conneted to. The hole had always been there but it was discovered and madd popular, From really didnt have much of a choice in shutting all online down until they fixed it.
Personally I'm somewhat surprised they even bothered, western devs would have just said fuck it and let it die

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>>743795943
Correct

>>743795943
Hogwarts Legacy has more sales than both ER and ToTK so it's the superior open world game

>>743793191
Goyim Rng has zero cute girls. While Link builds a literal harem of semen demons.

>>743801958
I don't think that's true. Maybe it's sold more than TOTK but I highly doubt it sold more than Elden Ring.

>>743793191
definitely zelda, open world is only a hindrance to the souls formula

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>bitching about BotW
ALL zelda games are open world, you twats

>>743802087
>Maybe it's sold more than TOTK but I highly doubt it sold more than Elden Ring
look it up

>>743793202
TotK did open world better than BotW though.

>>743794497
Yeah no shit why do you act like this isn’t intentional? First playthrough you comb the map for everything, second and subsequent playthroughs you rush to the shit you need for your build and bend the game over in record time.

>>743794458
The biggest problem Genshin has is that they chickened out on giving the movement freedom BotW already had.

>>743802087
Hogwarts Legacy sold 40 million copies and ER 30 million

>>743803105
Wdym movement freedom, no horses? Fuarka ate the last horse in Mondstad, now their cavalry captain has to run on foot and larp as a pirate.
Other than that, you get the same glider and free climbing from the start, even some additional gadgets for creating air currents and such. New regions add new movement methods, like boats, diving, mario-like pokemon possessing (giving flying, borrowing and more), scenic monorails etc.

nintroondo

>>743793191
Tears of the Kingdom is by far the best open world game ever made, it's not even close.

Why are tendies still this assraped by a 4 year old multiplat?
>>743803942
...which is why everyone stopped talking about it after 2 weeks

BOTW was objectively the better open world but it's so boring overall. ER is a good game with a mediocre open world tacked on.

>>743794917
>that's all Elden Ring is. A bunch of self contained closed off areas with empty space between them
Now that's brutal honesty. I cant believe there's people that want Zelda to go back to linear railroaded setpieces neither. It defeats the purpose of an open world adventure game. You SHOULD be able to skip stuff, cheese stuff, or choose to do stuff. That will cause a game to stand the test of time far better than closed off areas with lots of empty space.

Anyone saying Zelda hasnt played Elden Ring. Zeldas open world 99% of the time just lead to dogshit shrines and koroks. Elden Ring also actually has legacy dungeons something Zelda decided to leave behind

BotW is the best open world game. It would be even better if you couldn't recover stamina from the pause menu, and also if you could only change your clothes at an inn.

>>743803986
lol everyone is talking about Totk all the time, there's a thread up right now specifically about it, and not a comparison one like this. Youtubers constantly putting out the videos about it. Still selling like hotcakes. Still garnering new fans. You're dumb.

>>743793191
ER and it's not even a contest. BotW/TotK's open world is fucking terrible, it's just a bunch of shitty enemy camps and worthless shrines all over the place with maybe a handful of actually interesting locations in the entire map. Even ER's mini dungeons are better than the stupid shrines. Also it doesn't reward you with shit that breaks in 5 hits maximum.

Elden Ring made these open world "Zelda" games completely redundant.

>>743793191
I think Open World is ass.
Please bring back level design.

>>743803251
ER sold 50 million, it's the ultimate normie game.

>>743804681
>ER sold 50 million
source?

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>>743793191
Right because right isn’t actually open world just open-ended
The lesson here is that all open world games are garbage for normal faggot cattle.

>>743805159
Except ER has all the failings of open world games but none of the positive qualities of open ended design. It's shit all around.

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>>743804302
might wanna back that up with actual data instead of vapid slavebabble, buddy

>>743793191
i played botw and elden ring. botw is 100 percent the better game. elden ring is very bland, underpopilated, uninspiring dungeons and areas are all the same just the color of grass changes. i'd even say combat was more enjoyable on botw. elden ring is still a roll + right bumper simulator the way all dark souls were, just that the RB/R1 was replaced by some special attack on the LT/L1 for most people. it's still bland.

>>743808201
Why can't you actual subhuman retards engage in genuine discussion?
It's fucking obvious that you haven't played ER, slave

>>743808313
imagine being such a virgin you get thsi mad in a videogame discussion. ofcourse i played and completed er, i just did not like it

>>743808501
you aren't nearly sentient enough for your pretense to be believable

>>743793191
BotW pioneered the climb anything and parasail anywhere pattern which is huge. Elden Ring does have more dungeons but the "dungeons" (leading up to the 4 bosses which shoot the laser at the barrier) in Zelda are more memorable with interesting mechanics, including the actual open world dungeon, the castle. Elden Ring dungeons are just not very unique or large in scale in comparison.

>>743793191
ER would be genuinely improved by cutting almost all the open world slop content and going back to the DaS1 style to connect up the legacy dungeons with no checkpoint fast travel.
BotW has two high points in the form of the plateau and hyrule castle, and then some bonus content with the divine beasts. There's just no meat left on BotW after cutting the filler.

>>743801958
Fine with that

HL > ER > ToTK

>>743804302
Until you can do this:

>>>/vg/574837906

Elden Ring is forever more relevant than ToTK

Crimson Desert's world mogs both

>>743809239
exactly, elden ring is just one copypasted area with different grass colors and the bosses repeat themselves. besides, the physics and chemistry engine in zelda is unlike anything, one of the best achievements in videogame history

>>743797786
>this game is abysmal dogshit! Guess I'll play it for 600 more hours before I quit

>>743809239
>pioneered climb everywhere
Was in spiderman 2 on the PS2, was in Assassins Creed Origins that released literally the same year. It didn't pioneer anything
>actual open world dungeon
Mogged by Stormveil, Leyndell or StormKeep, take your pick.
>interesting mechanics
Clearly not hence why the game is dead and buried and Elden Ring still sees 20+ threads

>>743810545
>and the bosses repeat themselves
Imagine saying this in defense of BoTW

Alexa, bring up the Divine beast "bosses"

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>>743801993
>Goyim Rng has zero cute girls
excuse me?

>>743793191
elden ring for actually having enemy and weapon variety

>>743793191
How the hell should I know? I never played elden ring.

>>743793191
Your interaction with the world is better with Zelda but your rewards are worse and the enemy scaling makes the world fall off hard in the last third.

>>743794543
>And then TotK ruined that in a sequel
No it didn't.

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>>743794553
NTA but the only good open world gaem is Skyrim.

>>743793191
None of them

>>743794458
the genshin inferiority complex

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>>743814553
You mean the only good open world is Terraria.

>>743793191
Gothic 2

>>743814713
not an open world game

>>743814713
No, I don't mean that.

>>743814782
The steam page says otherwise.

>>743817082
retard

>>743817082
>user tags
Yeah and Toy Story 3 is a Souls-like. Fucking retard.

>>743817127
>>743817154
>IT'S NOT OPEN WORLD BECAUSE... IT JUST ISN'T, CHUD

Both are slop.

>>743794080
>how will you quickly and efficiently reach where you want to go? you have at least a dozen options
And all but one of them are bad. BOTW and especially TOTK are toyboxes where the toys all suck ass and the optimal answer is obvious and always the same.

>>743817217
Correct. Glad we cleared that up.

skyrim did
botw and er are hollow dead open world with no content

>>743817387
Why not?

>>743793191
Final Fantasy 7 (PS1)

>>743817398
Skyrim is shit.

TOTK would have been better if most of the building happened in more constrained/controlled contexts, letting solutions be recorded. And then have leadership boards, so people could compete and come up with creative solutions.

>>743794595
Getting strung along by your dealer as a "reward" for exploring is a negative, not a positive anon.

>>743817832
SHUT UP, I CAN QUIT MY GACHA ADDICTION ANYTIME

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>>743801993
>zero cute girls

>>743793191
Both are mediocre games and horrible compared to the standards of their series, but BOTW is a better open world because you actually interact with the world. ER is just a pretty backdrop for you to kill enemies that were copy-pasted from Demon's Souls (2009).

>>743820119
>but BOTW is a better open world because you actually interact with the world.
Having 30 ways to bully bokoblins is not meaningful interaction with the world.

>>743817657
subjective opinion which is garbage. factually untrue to claim skyrim has worse open world than botw or er
ER is lazy copy pasted assets everywhere, recycled bosses . so even when the open world is dog shit, the actual content they have is recycled AI reskinned dogshit as well
BOTW is literal filler slop collecting turds, weapons that fall apart and itemization thats dog shit, so its core design is trash and its filler made for adhd low iq plebs who claim put the square in the square hole is actual content and puzzles to complete

>>743821497
>ER is lazy copy pasted assets everywhere, recycled bosses .
YOU'RE DEFENDING SKYRIM.
THE GAME WITH THREE "KINDS" OF "DUNGEONS" ALL CONTAINING BANDITS AND DRAUGR.

>>743821190
b-but don't you remember that one time you chopped down a tree to go over the cliff in the tutorial?!

Elden ring is the only game in this thread with actually good combat so it wins by default. Who cares about an interactive open world if the core gameplay is shit. BOTW had good combat in theory but ruined it by being piss easy, having 3 enemy types and an awful weapon system

>>743823394
>watch 30 seconds of boss combos
>heal or attack once
>repeat
>good combat
elden ring is a strict downgrade from DS combat, it's better than BotW, but that doesn't mean it's good

>>743824229
DS1 combat is for baby retards, and you only have to wait to attack in elden ring if you're retarded or doing a no-hit run or something.

>>743824385
DS1 and 2 combat is the sweet spot, DS3 is where the devs fell for "le hardcore game" meme, ER is just a continuation of the same brainrot

>>743823394
Souls combat is ridiculously overrated. And you need yo ask yourself what the function of combat is in a game like this anyway. Is combat the primary focus of the game? Is combat simply a way to deal with enemies that only exist as part of the setting? I don't particularly care for combat in general but it is important to exist. For me, a game that focuses on the combat detracts from the other aspects of the open world appeal such as exploration.

Besides, BOTW/TOTK has many non-combat ways to deal with enemies that make "combat" better than ER anyway.

>>743824649
>BOTW has many ways to make fights a complete joke and thus boring
>this somehow makes it better because.....?

>>743793191
Right has better exploration but left has much better traversal.

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>>743817320
>blah blah blah i have no inner monologue and only regurgitate stuff i saw in a youtube video
>im completely incapable of setting aside the things i dont like about something to find the good in it
>also i have shit taste because i find shield surfing to be bad
>and btw i love children
this is how you sound

>>743824649
its literally not overrated. its one of the best ARPG melee combat systems ever made (so not really that good but the only better options are more arcadey and/or pvp focused)
it saves this supposedly action RPG series that has shitty RPG elements, shitty quests, and a shitty story

>>743824515
No, being accessible to 4 year olds is not a "sweet spot"

>>743824649
>Besides, BOTW/TOTK has many non-combat ways to deal with enemies
No, it has non-combat ways to deal with bokoblins. Any serious enemy is excessively protected against any non-standard strategy.

>>743793191
sorry but i don't see the palworld option?

>>743825798
Tendie faggots who try sell mediocre games made for children don't get to call others pedophiles.

>>743794458
every inch of this world is chinkified slop to the highest degree, it's an insult to any real human playing it

>>743803046
Obviously it's intentional, and I never pretended otherwise. I just think it's shit and makes the bulk of the open world good for your first run and then it becomes a checklist of things you want to fetch.

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>>743794080
lol

lmao

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All the people seething and saying Elden Ring is bad for whatever reason.
Meanwhile, I haven't had this much fun with an open world game since Skyrim.

I personally didn't really like Breath of the Wild that much, but everyone has different tastes. You can have a preference without needing to shit on a different game. But it seems not everyone got the memo.

Elden Ring at least manages to overshadow the shit that is Zelda. Open world games are extremely hard to do, which is why most of them end up being badly design messes. Open world is like player agency, where intentional and good design have to be thought through before implementation is exercised. While not every trip or walk should be considered a life or death scenario, the fact that each of these games don't take into account player resources, and planning behind every journey is what makes them too easy and thus boring. This also goes into encounter design and much more, which I'm not going to bother explaining in this shit thread.

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>>743793191
BotW rapes Elden Ring.

Both pale to TotK

>>743827276
just my humble opinion bro

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Both are dogshit for completionist hoarder normalfags

The only good open world games are
>GTA San Andreas
For its sandbox and main story
>Bully
For its immersion into the setting
>New Vegas
For its open roleplaying
>Morrowind
For its free exploration of a rich world and lore

Everything else is either downstream of one of these and thus inferior, or worse, a themed IP copy of Assassin's Creed like Breath of the Wild and Elden Ring which are only open world because it's a trendy way of dumping content on players, not because they had a gameplay reason to be open world

>>743828647
new vegas predates the open world slop explosion. even though actually traversing the map in new vegas is boring, the map is like 8x smaller with more stuff in it.
obviously new vegas is better i dont think that was in question

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>>743829037
Oh please. BOTW and TOTK wish they had the puzzles of the better Zelda games.

Hell, romhacks and fangames have better puzzles. Like right now, I'm stuck on this one, from Moonlight Regalia, and I'm stumped.

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>>743794458
>see thread
>think i should bait them
>notice someone already did it
lol gj

>>743794458
>genshin
>anything
>good
lol
lmao

>>743794437
Salsa, image search gives me nothing

>>743795545
it's what happens when janny deletes our containment thread
>inb4 why don't you go to /vg/
why don't you? zelda and er are discussed daily here as well

>>743793191
They're both the worst entries in their respective franchises.

I loved Elden Ring, every second of it. But it being Open World wasn't actually utilized at all and the game wouldn't change at all if it wasn't open world. The vistas were beautiful, fantastic art direction, riding torrent is fun as hell, and I genuinely liked exploring the world in every little nook and cranny; I 100% every item and quest and ending (through save stating before final boss) on a blind first playthrough, took like 150 hours. However the game did not need to be open world, a lot of the areas were just empty with nothing to do basically like 100 Darkroot Basins all over the game. The best parts of Elden Ring are the areas that feel like classic Souls levels (Stormveil Castle for instance).

The Zelda games are actually built around the game being open world. The gameplay conforms to it and utilizes it well.

I liked Elden Ring more, but Zelda is a better open world game.

>>743830042
>The Zelda games are actually built around the game being open world. The gameplay conforms to it and utilizes it well.
No they're not, no it doesn't

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>>743794458
>Best memories of Nu-Zelda are just me walking between villages and listening to loreslop videos, or LARPing as OOT Link.
>Best memories of Genshin are swimming around Fontaine and smacking mobs with my sub-optimal 4* waifus
>Best memories of Elden Ring are when I just walked around Liurnia and the Mountaintops of The Giants and took in THE VIBES despite there being actual dungeons to explore
I made a whole evening of just slow-walking to Raya Lucaria as an Astrologer the other night. I didn't need to do it, but it was fun. I also used to just hang out in the Stock Pot Inn kitchen in Majora's Mask because it was cozy, so I guess I've always been a massive vibefag.

Nu-Zeld has physics but Elden Ring and Genshin have better visuals and atmosphere. I'll also take catacombs and caves over korok puzzles any day.

Genshin has Barbara so it automatically wins.

>>743793191
elden ring and its not even close despite being a 6/10 open world

>>743829494
>pic
I don't understand. You can just do the path like What I Had in What I Got and if you really want to explore The World, Mystery, Intrigue, Sense of Scale, then you can.

>ITT: people comparing apples and oranges

>>743793191
Elden Ring. Zelda's open world would be better if it actually felt rewarding to explore places. At least in ER you get some equipment that may more may not be useful for a build you're going for. I say this, but I also don't think Elden Ring's open world is the greatest either.
My personal preference for exploration in an Open World game is Xenoblade X. Nothing beats the moment of going from walking around on foot for hours, to being in a mech, and then eventually flying all over with those mechs. Gives everything a real sense of scale that I feel most open world games, like Zelda and Elden Ring, fail to actually do.

>>743829037
Based and truthpilled.

>>743793191
Neither, they're both equally trash.

>>743793191
Neither, they both suck ass in terms of open world quality.

No cities, no interesting places to explore, etc.

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>>743793191
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hJ0U4VRAGk
botw/totk blow elden ring out of the water in both combat and exploration. nintendo could finetune the engine and make the greatest action game ever made, they just don't feel like it

>>743829494
>complains about normalfags
>praises 2(TWO) rockstar games
this has to be bait

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Elden ring by a mile

both botw and totk sucked ass and i hope they stop making garbage ubislop and calling it zelda
nintendo just can't do what fromsoft can

pic highly fucking related

Crimson Desert. And I haven't even played it yet.

>>743821831
>ALL CONTAINING BANDITS AND DRAUGR.
And vampires, and spiders, and robots, and mages, and falmer

>>743794497
>ER is good on a first blind run because you have a reason to visit all those locations, replays it's a different story because if you have decent memory you can skip most things because you don't need it for your build.
Pretty much what I think and imo one option to remedy that would be to allow you to change your stats for free or for a few runes as much as you want it would definitely make me try all kinds of weird things during a single run instead of depending of that one item that as far as I'm aware is pretty limited

>>743830682
That's not how it works, compare it to reading a book
>book is only text descriptions of characters
>you're forced to use your imagination to imagine them
vs
>book has photos of actors that the characters would look like
>they supplant your imagination as the definitive image of the characters robbing you of the opportunity to imagine your own versions
>very hard to ignore the images in the book and just knowing they're there diminishes the experience

>>743793191
ToTK obviously, since you actually get rewarded by doing the open world while also being able to just beat the game immediately just for a slightly increased challenge.
Meanwhile in base ER you travel 1000m and parkour for an ateria leaf. They improved it in the DLC but the open world felt more like DS1 style rather than actually using the open world for anything meaningful.
Fromsoftware does not seem to actually understand open world, but after ds3 anything was better even is base ER was basically empty.
>>743793202
Oh then Elden Ring did it better.

>>743794437
>muh walking sim
ER is bad because it tried to copy skyrim in that respect and skyrim is objectively the worst walking sim of all tes.

>>743808201

Elden ring has better dungeons, better bosses, better combat, better ost, better NPCs, better story, better exploration, better art direction and 100x more builds you liar

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>>743835992
Kek fucking retard.

Stay mad for another decade.