Rockstar worker union had their first meeting with R* and they seem willing to work something out with them. Is this a good thing?
Whoever wins, I don't care since open world goyslop is not for me
>>743820219Bad for gamers as it means games will take longer to make and will possibly be even more expensive.
I dont know, I dont careI just hope they keep laying off jeets and colored hair people
>>743820219No
>demandinglmao they're all getting fired for a "shop close" and the entirety of dev will be out of India.
I hope this delays the game to late 2028 or something like that, imagine the sheer cattle seethe and sudden cope unloading.
>crunchthey will work triple the crunch but get paid for it. crunch is mandatory, no opt outs >pay transparencybonuses will be reduced for 99% of employees,only the elite 1% of extreme crunchers and max productivity bootlickers will get a worthwhile bonus. this will be made clear to everyone>no AIlol not happening. nobody is winning this demand. AI is the future in every industry. >no layoffsno layoffs for the forseeable future. best ur gonna get, then when you get fired you will be told it was not forseeable
>>743820219Doesn't mean anything, UK is still collapsing.
over half of them are being laid off the second the game releases
>>743820219thats crazystill pirating the game tho
>>743820219Neither side represents me so I won't benefit in any way
>>743820345The one who'll keep being laid is gonna be you, timmy.
>>743820219Demanding "no layoffs" is insanely retarded. It's a company, not a fucking charity. Jesus Christ we're so fucked as a species.
>>743820219>they demand no ai>rockstar says noThen what ?
>>743820219>overtime should be paidlel. The company that's killing physical so people are just renting their games aren't even paying for their slaves. England still has slavery. Maybe they should let USA take over
>>743820219>Western AAA studioThey will somehow fuck it up
>>743820219>no layoffsZero chance
>>743820219>demandinglol
>>743820219>biggest in europeWhen did Rockstar move to that wasteland?
>>743820219The management's answer to them will be:>lol>lmao
>>743820309Fpbp
>>743820830Yep, many of them are already looking for new jobs. It's an open industry secret atm.
>>743820920good for him
You know if gamedevs actually made good games I'd understand but they don't sooo
>>743820924It works for Japan and theyre the only country making good games
>>743821846We don't want the UK, not even as a joke. Fuck off dude.
>>743822574You gotta fight slavery, dude.
>>743822425always was part of europe
>remote work>this close to GTA 6 releasing>after they already had one big leakNot happening.
>>743820219-A commitment to no layoffslol, lmao even.
Some of these are really fucking unreasonable, its like a bunch of untalanted rats trying to hold onto a sinking ship until it goes down.>Working from home post covid>No layoffsFuckin woman tier retard shit.
>>743820219Rockstars unions put BLM on their signs lolFuck these marxoid retards. Get back to work you lazy bastards.
>>743822523based
>>743820219>creative field>unionizedlol, it'll only get worse and I'm here for it
why is /v/ so anti union
>>743823773muh communism
>>743822523In Japan there's also a culture of corporate loyalty that's absent in the West. Companies will invest in you and expect that investment to be repaid tenfold over the course of your life.Switching jobs is akin to heresy over there, you'll get blacklisted and have a very difficult time even in your new company.In fact, you're expected to hire and train your own replacement if you leave.It's a completely different paradigm to the West, where people complain of work hours and job/family balance. So your example is fucking dumb and completely useless.Weeaboo retard.
>>743820219Rockstar should have seen this coming.GTA 6 is anticipated as fuck, they've spent a lot of money and will likely still turn a profit on it. Unionising just before the finishing touches was predictable as fuck.
>>743820219>game devs have been dragging ass and refusing to meet publisher deadlines until publishers inevitably give them a final deadline where the game either comes out or lawyers start getting involved>game devs continue dragging their ass until the 11th hour where they are forced to crunch in order to finish the game or get it to a semi-playable state>this has been the norm for 10+ years>they now want to continue dragging ass until the final deadline but then also be paid insane overtime wages to finally do their jobsthe games industry is so utterly fucked that I find it hard to see how anything other than a complete collapse and rebuild could possibly save it at this point.
>>743824479This but the entire US economy
>>743820219>we shouldn't have to do our jobs>bonuses and raises need to be guaranteed>we still shouldn't have to do our jobs but from home>cost effective tools should be banned in favor of slower, more expensive, work>also you can't fire usgee, I wonder why corporations are so against workers forming unions?
>>743824479They definitely didn't planned to release the game so early, it's only happening because leaks surfaced, rumors turned into reality and that's something you just cannot reverse and make people suddenly forget.
>>743823773>unions withhold labor to negotiate, which leads to a worse end-product>corpos always try to maximize profits which leads to a worse end-productNo matter who wins, players always lose
>>743824186>In Japan there's also a culture of corporate loyalty that's absent in the West. Companies will invest in you and expect that investment to be repaid tenfold over the course of your life.>Switching jobs is akin to heresy over there, you'll get blacklisted and have a very difficult time even in your new company.Lifelong employment in Japland is a Showa era thing (i.e. before you were born), you dumb firthy gaijin scum
>>743820219how big of a melty will they have when they learn about scabs?
>>743824743so then shouldn't be pick the option where the people who actually made the thing get the benefits/drawbacks of making a good/bad product instead of a bunch of corporate vampires
>>743820219I'm sure they'll work something out after November 2026 kek
>Paid overtimeI mean, that's fair. How is unpaid overtime legal?
>>743820920didn't think this through, did you?
how can you demand that a company cannot lay people off?
>>743820219A few years ago I'd think so, but since nearly every union has been hollowed out and taken over by DSA entryism, so they can push DSA politics instead of improving life for the working man, it probably isn't.But if it's the real deal, good for them. Rockstar can afford to not lay off half their staff once the game ships.
>>743825151>DSA is the only political org that explicitly supports forming unions>"wtf why is every union DSA"
>>743820920kek fucking retard
>>743825284Lots of political organizations support forming unions, including the vanilla Democratic party.
>>743820219>tranny game devs malding this hardWatch the resident pedotranny jannie ban me for pointing out the obvious K E K
>>743820219>a commitment to no layoffs????Are they insane? There is no need to keep all those workers hired after they made all the assets for a game as big as gta6.
>>743825356uh.... bro?
>>743820219The point of this is to get well compensated when they inevitably fire you.
the point of the system in other parts of the world where unions work well is exactly that it is easy to fire people, and that union works to ensure the law and signed contracts are followed. look up flexicurity models.
>>743824991if you signed a contract that says you aren't paid for working additional hours.
>>743820219Unions are never good
>>743825958Nothing in the fair labor standards act can be waived away via contract. It's still illegal, and the portion of the contract that says otherwise is considered null and void, but the rest of the contract remains valid.
>>743824186>Companies will invest in youMaybe companies here should try that instead of treating all workers like disposable trash? I know it's antisemitic but it's just a thought
>>743820219Good if you like game employees (with nose piercings and radical hair color stripes).Awful news if you like AAA games that are big in scope and makes you think "how did they do this?"
>>743820309It will set a precedent. if the "biggest AAA developer" can do it. Then every AAA developer can, and ought to do it. And if it happens, we will see games reduced to lower scope and everything begins to feel as lazy as BioWare games, because unions allow developers to dodge over-work, and ask for larger salaries, and it protects snowflakes from getting fired due to legal threats against the CEO.But sure, just pretend this doesn't affect you, gamer.
>>743820654Yeah layoffs are inevitable. For the foreseeable future could quite literally mean the few months before it releases and maybe a month or two post launch to bug fixes and prep for the eventual online. But the second this shit is in a stable state the layoffs are going to happen
>>743825958>he thinks contracts supersede lawsare you retarded, just pretending, or getting paid to lie?
>>743820654>>743827097I'm assuming it's just concession bait.Only an utter retard would look at the current state of the industry and think that's a realistic demand, especially when laying off staff is practically the norm after a big release anyway.
>>743823194No jew work from home is not "unreasonable". You have a computer at home, that is where they work, it's not a construction job that cannot be done anywhere but the job site.
>>743820219>expecting your Jewish boss to honor negotiations
This thread sure has a lot of copro bootlickers in this.>>743820654>>743821042>AI is the futureLOL, LMAO even.
>>743820654>Future in every industry I forgot that Bitcoin ended the fed and no country has a central bank anymore
>>743827012NTA, but AAAA slop does not affect me
>>743824186larp
>>743820219Work out a $60 game, you greedy leftist slime.
>no crunchName a single video game project that didn't have crunch.>pay transparency Fuck you no bonuses for anyone >flexibility to work from homeSecurity issue so no>no AIlollmao>no layoffs You'll be sacked the second the game launches due to downsizing
>>743827012>and everything begins to feel as lazy as BioWare gamesdon't threaten me with a good time.the sheer incompetence of bioware releases are always hilarious in a way other developers just can't match.
>>743827012That's quite fine in this industry. Any other is bad, but here in vidya shit's so corrupt, bloated, and full of wastrels you might as well just let those shitty unions implode it faster. A good union is really just a specialized lawyer firm: you really don't want them around cuz they're faggot jews, but you want them on speed dial when annoying company chicanery happens.
>>743820654>lol not happeningwould you be ok with your boss hiring you for 6 months then manufacturing a copy of you that does your job?these corporations bitch about piracy at every turn, then they turn around and pirate their worker's labor without a second thought
>>743820219top jej. This >>743820553 and anyone thinking otherwise is a naive child
>>743827012>corpos instantly hire jeets and fire 80% of the people involved after a game is released>as release date approaches and the game is about to shit the bed, they panic and hire a couple of white guys in a futile attempt to undo years of jeet spaghetti codingYou're defending H-1Bs stealing American jobs and are an abhorrent shitstain
>>743827816Bitcoin never set out to replace the fed, central banks or even fiat money. The tech was never designed for mainstream use, it was always about being an alternative free from globohomo CIA niggers.AI companies very explicitly and loudly set out to replace people at their jobs and rake in all the profit while giving nothing back. And everyone sees the mainstream appeal, every company already uses it (even if they don't actually need to). These situations are very different.
>>743828228That assasins creed:japan is giving the gay krogans a run for their money
I just want GTA6. R* can literally work them to death and I wouldn't care.
>>743820219>p-please pay us for workingseriosuly what century is this
>>743829314>I just want GTA6are you five?
>>743825613Supporting unions /= letting them have everything they want or they trash the economy
>>743829314if gaystar tries to play hardball then these fuckers will fuck with the development/release of GTA6. gaystar have been filling up their pockets for years just give these retards whatever the fuck they want.
>>743820654Yeah, everyone keeps thinking that unions magically prevent layoffs when they really don't have that kind of power. The best they can do is affect WHO gets laid off. (SPOILER: who gets laid off doesn't change anyways)
>>743829314This, except I don't want GTA6.
>>743820553This. Anyone with a brain can see this shit coming; these socialist retards chopped off the hand that fed them
>>743830070>The best they can do is affect WHO gets laid off.Which usually revolves around seniority and nothing else.>(SPOILER: who gets laid off doesn't change anyways)Without unions, it's usually those with the most seniority who get laid off, because they get paid the most. See the recent Xbox layoffs for instance. So yes, unions change that dynamic.
>>743829979They've also been spending boatloads due to the ridiculous development time and company bloat.While it's true the higher ups have probably been doing everything short of outright embezzlement to line their pockets, it's not as if they've got a vault full of gold to swim in either.That said, if rockstar is more concerned with padding their izzat than actually admitting that they need VI to do incredibly well to recoup development costs, the workers will reasonably assume that they're getting jewed and inadvertently have them by the balls if they take industrial action.
>>743820309>>743820345kek same.
>>743830070A lot of people also don't understand that unions lead to extra dumb steps in everything because bureaucracy and having every stupid decision go through the union boss who gets a massive ego and then comes shit like union dues because someone has to go and make the union being their full time job
They say everything about their union, yet they never mention what their job was at Rockstar.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9nOwjeznjI
>>743830269Eh, it's usually more like the bad kind of seniority. >"We need to keep Bill, the lazy fuck who has never finished any work, comes in late and leaves early, spends the entire shift watching football streams, and we don't actually know what his job is anymore. Also we make a lot of union dues off of him and he's friends with the union boss.">"So we're gonna let go of Joe, who's a diligent worker, has been with the company forever, and basically the entire background of the company, because he told an inappropriate joke in front of Nancy six years ago."
>>743820219>no crunchA studio that has taken 13 YEARS TO MAKE ONE VIDEO GAME is asking for the boss not to crack the whip. Let them make all the crazy demands they want, most of them are getting laid off a month after the game launches.
>>743820924It’s very abnormal in most industries to hire people for one project and lay them off when it’s over. Good planning involves staggering projects so that people always have something productive to do. This goes hand in hand with the fight against crunch. The point is for the corporate decisionmakers to plan and commit resources to projects with reasonable timetables rather than see a trend, hire an army to chase that trend, work them like slaves to make a Christmas release date that isn’t realistic, then fire 90% of them the week after launch day because the game predictably didn’t sell eleventy billion copies.If you, as the CEO, think any business not operating in such a psychotic fashion is a “charity” you’re unfit for your role.
it's funny how there's always crunch no matter how long a game has been in development. 13 fucking years of dev time? we're gonna need to crunch to hit our release date, buckle up bucko.
>>743831064Hofstadter’s Law is a bitch
>>743830886hysterical hyperbole aside, that entirely depends on the reality of the industry and the specific goals of the company.If the company specialises in a product that has a period of unavoidable increase in work and an uncertain phase afterward, it's absurd to make a business plan that assumes consistent work requirements. Yes, it is expecting charity if you are hired on a temporary basis, or under the assumption your work will be required, and expect permanent work if the product fails.companies like rockstar and naughty dog being utterly incompetent and making these periods of excess work and uncertainty longer than necessary doesn't change this fact.
>>743831064>13 fucking yearsyeah right, like they didn't start working on gta6 only after gta online started losing players
>>743830886>If you, as the CEO, think any business not operating in such an efficient fashion is a “charity” you’re unfit for your role.Correct. God bless CEOs for dabbing on commie unionists like you
>>743820219The fact that they use a proprietary engine is their greatest card. It is was Unrealslop, they could be replaced with AI and AI (Actually Indians).
>>743831615Just because the AI tools aren't embedded into the engine itself doesn't mean that they can't use them during development.
>>743820335Rockstar isn't making any other game ever again, they're future is updating GTA6 online forever.
GIVE THEM THEIR SEVERANCE
>>743831706>GTA6 onlineit's going to look outdated eventually and a new entry will be required.GTA online looks like ass by 2026 standards.
>>743820219>paid for overtimelol, exempt employees being jealous of wagies. Maybe they should have not gone to college and then they would be qualified to land a nice non-exploitative job
>>743820219>Is this a good thing?a good thing for who? certainly not good for the game or consumers
>>743831846We're already at the limit of hardware because of part prices.
>>743831818They should be happy that they were even given an opportunity to work on a video game that was in development for 13 years. Most people don't even that long of a tenure at a single job anymore.
>>743831390>If the company specialises in a product that has a period of unavoidable increase in work and an uncertain phase afterward, it's absurd to make a business plan that assumes consistent work requirements.Or maybe you don’t make one fucking product at a time and pour a trillion dollars worth of resources into it so there’s always a next project to be migrated to when your role in the current one ends. Maybe boom-and-bust driven dev cycles are unsustainable and the associated employee churn is the primary reason WHY all the actual talent has left this industry for dead and the only remaining workers are jeet vibecoders and danger hairs. Maybe a dev process that valued retention and effective utilization of human capital in the long term, instead of quarterly bonus statements, would have led to a AAA games industry that isn’t bleeding to death.
I dont understand. Do game devs not normally get paid for overtime? I work in the BioPharma industry and I get paid double for any hours I do over my standard 39 hours and I often do 70 to 80 hours a week.
>>743824186>in Japan you're supposed to stay forever in a companyIt's like their companies are just great houses in war with each other.
>>743831818i know that they're trying to line up their pockets like every self-rational human being does but if this is what you get by having development studios in western countries then off-shoring looks even more attractive.
>>743827012I didn't play AAAslop before, and I won't play it after, so this does not concern me at all
>>743820219>just hire and pay me forever are my demands no matter how retarded me and my colleagues are!Lol
>>743831938we're at the limit of what a monopoly - TSMC - is willing to give to us.
>>743831964Crunch doesn't count as overtime, computer professionals who earn above a set annual salary are considered exempt from overtime laws, it's unpaid labor.
>>743820654>bonuses will be reduced for 99% of employees,only the elite 1% of extreme crunchers and max productivity bootlickers will get a worthwhile bonus. this will be made clear to everyonehappened at my old employer, kek. used to be that everyone just got more or less the same bonus, with a multiplier for their salary level.the laziest fucks I know kept throwing bitch fits about it and saying this is unfair because the janny and so on also get bonuses even though they don't do anything!so the bonuses were changed and tied to KPIs, and after that those fucks got a fraction of what they got before, kek
>>743823194I get to work from home, but that's because my boss has seen that I still get all my shit done during COVID.Actually even more since I don't mind logging back in at 10pm to quickly do some 10 minutes (off the clock) shit that runs over night if that means I never have to be stuck in traffic jam again
>>743831064because people drag their feet until it's almost too late to still make the deadline, regardless of which business.only way to counter this is to have very small work packages that have to be handed it every couple days.when you handle it that way, people work maybe 60% of their work hours, but shit mostly gets done on time.if you let them do whatever they want they work maybe 10% and then kill themselves when the deadline approaches.
>>743820219tell the union to put the game on disc otherwise whats th e point?
>>743833560John Rockstar said no.
>>743820219I'm not buying the game either way so any outcome is fine to me.
>>743828708>>743827816>>743827805delusional. I can be pro-union and still acknowledge that AI is the future of business.>wahhh muh feelings muh right to employmentok? unless you work a job that can't be replaced, something like a physical trade, then the future is AI replacement. AI is not just chatgpt and image prompting. it's automation of tasks that (You) do
>>743830737Unions have to fight to keep any of their workers for being fired, there's no 'he said something politically incorrect' exception. Unions defend workers accused of embezzlement and sabotage and worse.
>>743820654>AI is the futureHalf of consumers hate it and the other half don't care. Nobody wants it, what future is there for something that has no demand?
>>743834486>consumerswhat the fuck are you talking about retard? what do you think AI even is? stick to flipping burgers lil man. leave the thinking about the future of work to those with at least a high school education.
>>743820219I honestly start to get the feeling like the game either is never going to release or it will be way below people's expectations when it does. That studio really has the exact same signs as other big studios in recent years, that are only that studio in name anymore, written all over it. Where the dei employees are all over the shop, nothing gets done, the content priorities are all fucked and they can already see the writing on the wall from other studios, so this time they want to make sure they not get shown the door when the ultimate deadline of>it's been over a decade, you gotta release something!finally drops and the trash fire is about to be lit for all to see.
>>743827012and I will simply continue to not buy
>>743834701How do you spend so many words saying nothing at all?
>>743834260>Everyone floods into the trades desperate for any kind of work>Value of labor plummets, can be fired for anything because easily replaceable or its insanely hard to find contractsThis 'AI replacing work' future you faggots both seem to want more than anything and consider inevitable while still denying will unironically lead to mass rioting, death and societal collapse
Hello /v/, Rockstar here.I just want you to know that we have been working very hard to deliver on GTA 6. It's a incredibly technically complicated piece of software, with many moving parts, the groundbreaking SSD streaming techniques notwithstanding. It's crucial that you understand, that the sort of backwards demands issued in the Original Poster's image, can and will only result in delays, subpar experiences for consumers, and a failure to meet the expectations of our shareholders. Please do not "jump on the bandwagon" as it were.Thank you.
>>743820924While I agree with your message, was it really necessary to post a nigger?
>>743820309Fippy bippy
