Do you think a fanwork (fangame or mod) can be on the same level as the original game, or even surpass it? Are there any examples of this? Or at least fangame/mods that did one thing better than the original? be it gameplay, music, story or art direction.
Well, nothing is saying technically that it can't surpass it right? I don't think for instance that yellow surpassed the original game, but it did something different and evoked some really strong emotions, and in places had some better fights.
>>744037785absolute kino
>>744038340that fucking flowey thing kills me every time.
>>744037785I can think of two examples.The original Antibirth mod completed destroyed the DLC of the binding of isaac that came shortly after the mod.The secret boss fight of the Friendless mod mogs the mad cat secret boss that Tricky Tony released but at least it is not as bad as the binding of isaac example
>>744037785Usually they aren't, unless the dev really failed, but fanworks are a perfect way to reuse the content which was previously unused or cut from the game. Fan things are usually better at the small things and developing existing threads while bad at building the "frame" of the game.
>>744037785I still cant believe how good UTYs music is even when held in comparison to the original. it's genuinely insane to me. I expected it to be shit, but one of the things that made me finally give the game a try was getting a recommendation for one of it's tracks and being blown away.
>>744038515I really should try some of the mods that exist for isaac. it's something that feels for some reason like it shouldn't have fan mods, but I remember seeing one for a fanmade boss about fear of being seen or something like that.
Axis is a miracle of the universe. A high caliber being that makes his section of the game better.
>>744038584If I remember correctly it's from the Fiend Folio modThat mod makes Isaac harder because of all the new enemies and bosses's patterns that you need to get used to but it's 100% worth it
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>>744038893>Fiend Folio modthat sounds very familiar. I never checked it out myself because I heard "fiend folio" used as a joke for a couple years a ways back, but I didn't know if that was because the mod was bad, or if it was because of some inside joke.
>>744038515>The original Antibirth mod completed destroyed the DLC of the binding of isaac that came shortly after the mod.Antibirth is an exception among exception, the mod was so good that the dev team got hired for the original game and a lot of the content from the mod became part of the game in the last DLC
>>744037785Enderal probably had better questlines than Skyrim
>>744038957Does it really count as a fanwork if it was made to mock the original? Otherwise I agree, Snoot Game is pretty funny
>>744037785https://www.moddb.com/mods/minervaValve hired this guy. Pretty much the apex of boomer shooter level design.
>>744037785I consider AM2R to be the ultimate Metroid 2.Black Mesa is arguably superior to Half Life 1 (sans the retarded music choices).Sonic Mania was originally a fangame and Taxman's Sonic CD is the ultimate Sonic CD.Megachud is a better megaman than Mighty Number 9.
Fanmods don't really impress me much. Most of the actual hard work was already done, so waltzing in and "improving" it isn't really much to be proud of. I'm not saying a mod can't objectively improve a game, but you don't get to act smug when 99% of the work was already done.Fangames are fine, though at that point you should just make your own game.
Yeah pokemon romhacks have surpassed the originals by a fair bit even the mediocre fangames.
FTL multiverse is a huge improvement
Undertale Futility had the POTENTIAL to be better than Undertale, so much potential...
I'm really happy about the yellow we ended up getting. it's got some failings of fanworks, but holy shit seeing the takes for fan content some of the fandom has, it really could have been so very much worse. It could have been something that none of us would want to even think about.>>744039164AM2R looks really good, though I saw a video of a fight that seemed to take WAY too long, though I'm not sure if it was on a special difficulty, or something like that.>Black Mesa is arguably superior to Half Life i'm skeptical, HL1 is already (in my opinion) better than HL2
>>744039342well it WAS the game with the ABSOLUTE FASTEST DEV rivaling EVEN DRYANON after all.Surely that design doc will show up any day now.
>>744039219I disagree, specially when the creators haven't fully explored the potential of the setting the fangame takes place in (and has no plans to)>>744039051Snoot Game is a weird case since it is a fangame that came out before the actual game release, so much people think it is the origin point of the cast
i need more opinions on which way i should go with this for DRY2's new UI.right now i like the name separated + chronologically ordered one the most.
>>744039520>Snoot Game is a weird case since it is a fangame that came out before the actual game release, so much people think it is the origin point of the castwell I think the thing he's pointing out is, it's not really a "fan" work because they weren't exactly fans of what GBVH was going to be.
>>744039560and using the full character bar for ordered/aligned reactions.
>>744039575sometimes spite can be a better motivator than love, and despite snootgame being "spite art" in a way it is still objectively better than the source material in every way
>>744038893>Fiend Folio modReloaded releases on the 5th
>>744039560>>744039628do aligned with the char names, so closer to the last one from the 2nd pic
>>744039705I'm not arguing for or against that, I'm just saying it's no longer a "fan game" if the person never liked the game or series in the first place is it?Like even a fangame for DR from someone who liked it and now hates it still could be a fangame right?
>>744039402>well it WAS the game with the ABSOLUTE FASTEST DEV rivaling EVEN DRYANON after all.Maybe he stopped working on it because he didn't want the other devs to feel bad once his project completely overshadowed all the others>Surely that design doc will show up any day now.Be patient, its only been a... month? since it got announced, must be one hell of a doc.
>>744039805a fanwork by definition is just a work based on an existing IP you don't own, you don't really need to be a fan to make a fangame, but most fangames are made by fans of a series
>>744039878Would be it okay to add cameos for dead fangames (visually not exactly the same) into your fangame, or that would be too much trouble?
>>744037785>Do you think a fanwork (fangame or mod) can be on the same level as the original game, or even surpass it? Are there any examples of this?Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers is unironically the single best racing game I've ever played and I love it to death
>>744039973it is better to avoid dealing with reddit/twitter freaks as much as possible, adding cameos is asking them to check and if they disagree it WILL cause drama
>>744039973>Would be it okay to add cameos for dead fangames (visually not exactly the same) into your fangame, or that would be too much trouble?Reminds me of that conversation of the "bar of broken heroes/dreams" a place full of characters from dead fangames, I'm certain it would bring a ton of drama because the UT fandom is just that volatile, I still think it would be a cool idea to give these characters a second chance
>>744040006I tried that and got filtered by the tutorialwhy does a racing game need to many mechanics
Some of those mario kaizo mods were legitimately mpre fun than the original games. Wonder how many hacks are only superior because they dont have to target the lowest skill user base. Like why even mid pokemon romhacks are more dun since not every single fight is just a cakewalk
>>744037785Call of Chernobyl basically made the entire stalker series obsolete. It even mogs stalker 2.
>>744040136It's not as complicated as you think, the tutorial is just presented kinda poorly because it was supposed to be the setup for a weird racing/platformer hybrid singleplayer that never got finished. If you haven't played since 2.4 you should give it a shot again.
>>744037785Yes, they taste good.
>>744040242Feels like some games just by accident or by design made it an excellent sandbox for future mods to really expand. Morrowind and starsector come to mind. Not sure if that shouldnt just be to the original game's merit
CoC Xianxia. Still somehow getting updates
>>744040047>it is better to avoid dealing with reddit/twitter freaks as much as possibleThis is what got me worried about Undertale Wildfire, they got most of their team from twitter
>>744040646well, they've been dead silent for a while now so it may have already fallen to shit.
>>744037785There are loads of mods for games like thief, quake, doom that absolutely BTFO the commercial content. I'm not even shitting on the base games, but for these older games modders have had decades to practice and work on maps and whatnot, it's not surprising that they get really good at it. I do think it gets rarer the more modern games get since the barrier to entry gets higher. A lot of mods for modern games tend to just be bug fixes, balance changes, and QoL, which even when they're "better" than the vanilla game I don't think I really give much credit to the modders for doing anything novel.
>>744039805I'm pretty sure they really did love snoot girl though.
>>744040773>I do think it gets rarer the more modern games get since the barrier to entry gets higher.huh, I feel like the barrier is lower than ever if anything and that's why there's a lot of lower quality content. It's easier than ever to learn how to work with stuff so even some people who maybe shouldn't have been allowed on the computer try
more than that, fanworks also extend the feeling when you've got a game that really meant something to you. Playing morrowind then modding it after that, or obsessing over ut then letting myself get into fics (which admittedly a lot of are really bad but still), and then after that getting into UTYthen getting into fics and mods of that.
>>744040703Remember to never recruit from Twitter
>>744041618honestly probably a good lesson for any project, big or small. These people are so terribly disconnected from reality that it makes posters here look like social savants.
Will they surpass Deltarune? Can the Unrelated guys do the impossible? Could they become the next Snoot game?
>>744041618>>744041713I think you can do it, but only if the entire team comes from Twitter, including yourself.
>>744041618Where to recruit from then?
>>744041762literally naming her "Dike" does not evoke much confidence. >crowley>that goatI don't know, writing with your dick can be good if you're making something meant to be enjoyed by your dick exclusively, but I have a feeling that this isn't going to be much to look at.I'd prefer to see some of the writing quality and see what we're working with.
How many fangames are too many?
>>744041762Just wish they went with an actual DR fangame instead of a VN, maybe then I'd give more of a shit>>744041956IRL friends and people you know/trust>>744041961To be fair they did change her surname
>>744041901the image that killed an entire audiences interest.>>744041956Master sword did a lot of his recruiting based on the small amount of fame he got running spooky month on youtube so it probably helps to have a grasp on what and who is in the creative scene before you get going.
>>7440419564chan, that's how the Snoot Game team did it, but that takes a lot of time, effort and luck
>>744041956Put up flyers
>>744042056>The image that killed an entire audiences interestI still played Cooking With Kindness, it was alright but that image made me see a lot of the dialogue and interactions in a different light
>>744042218Wasn't there a lot of drama behind the scenes?I'd avoid getting a team made of randoms online and only use that as a last case scenario
>>744042295>it was alright but that image made me see a lot of the dialogue and interactions in a different lightI still intend to give it a play, but I can't imagine not having that image shift your perspective on it a little. It makes some of the lines that I saw people share from it come across a little more "ah, it's these kind of devs."
>>744042297I don't know about the drama, but I'd put more trust on the average anon than in the average terminally online twitter user
>>744042041>To be fair they did change her surnamewell, that IS good, but still I don't have high expectations. we'll see what we get when there's some actual writing to chew on.>>744042297nta but while I don't know about what drama there was or wasn't with snoot game, I know there's a good number of games that started here that seemed to come to fruition drama free.Pizza tower comes to mind and that's shocking because one of the musicians was a tranny. I think it helped that PTG was very drama averse, going out of his way to not engage with it, even ignoring it when he opened his discord up to the public and making the smart decision to end his discord when he saw what that community was becoming.. Smart man that Mr. Pig.
>>744041974What's that chart for?
>>744041974There will never be enough until the oceans run pixelated with characters.
>>744042394>It makes some of the lines that I saw people share from it come across a little more "ah, it's these kind of devs."On top the of my head I remember a reference to ACAB, some joke about not assuming genders, a character that eat something that made them look more like a cat and got happy because you mistook them for a cat, and the shark dude making a reference to him being a girl in the pastThere's probably more stuff that I don't remember.
Do you think Castle Town was underutilized in DR? Would you want something more to be added to it, or you didn't care for Castle Town at all? Should DR fangames include their own Castle Town?
>>744042686>joke about not assuming gendersIt's crazy that Toby did something similar. Chapter 5 is truly like a fangame, huh?
>>744042568someanon was using it as a hitlist
>>744037785I wound up liking Rock 'n Roll more than some of the official MM games. Most of the castle stages were great.
>>744039805anons liked the characters and setting, just not the tranny writing and tranny characterization that the official game ended up with
>>744042720>Do you think Castle Town was underutilized in DR?yes, we get chapters where we don't really get good access to it and it feels lame when that happens honestly. Also castle funk is not as good a theme as "my castle town.">Should DR fangames include their own Castle Town?I like the way the dark jail plays into the justice soul dealing with a completely different kind of "castle town." It's kind of sad to me sometimes that we're encouraged not to arrest "innocents" and bring them there because I do want to see what they say in the dark jail but I don't want to make coles life any harder.
>>744042720I think Chapter 5 castle town already has a lot of stuff for a hub area, you got minigames, extra interactions, challenge battles, a crafting station, a shop, a jukebox, I'm not sure what else could be added
>>744042720I didn't care for it besides item crafting and Dojo, I wouldn't mind if it just expanded these two
>>744042686the clock gender joke feels like a joke that you could rewrite to tell "essentially the same joke", but not "gay and lame". It just comes across weak the way it is.
>>744042910Being gay and lame was probably the main priority when writing that joke
>>744043040But the thing is, something being gay doesn't automatically make it lame. Why do these people have to bundle the two so agressively. What is the obsession with lameness, with limp wristed pathetic nonsense.
>>744042858Imagine if you capture more darkners they start turning the jail into a hub and making it more comfy and lively. And the Warden being absolutely pissed about it but not being able to really do anything to stop it
Ah just another stealth thread. Damn
>>744043154If you capture enough darkners then gangs start forming inside the dark jail
>>744043154>And the Warden being absolutely pissed about it but not being able to really do anything to stop itHonestly sounds hilarious. Him just telling everyone that it would end poorly, honvich blindly believing it, but at the end of the game it turns out that it just makes the jail a less miserable place for objects performing made up crimes>>744043207>just>even though all of the topics have gotten responses and discussionoh it's just another shitpost.
AM2R is probably the only example one can truly say a fangame surpassed the output of that franchise, like between AM2R and Samus Returns, AM2R clears it completely. This is not to say SR is a bad game, but moreso that AM2R put a very high bar to clear, SR failed to clear it but Dread definitely did, which shows MercuryStream are no slouches at making Metroid work.
>>744043143Anon... Limp wristed literally means effeminate and gay...
>>744043285yes but anon, you used two words thereTWO words. Effeminate AND gay. why do they always need to pair something to make it lamer. I think that was clear in what I was saying.
>>744043143The message comes first, everything else is secondary, who needs to write a good romance when you can make "yuri peak" by just taking two girls and making them blush at each other despite there being no chemistry
>>744043273I honesly had more fun with SR, but AM2R was excellent, and the fact that a fangame made by a single dude can be compared at all with a game made by a studio is impressive
>>744043354Just saying "effeminate" wouldn't be the same, since that just could mean womanly (not a bad thing for a woman).I get what you mean just found it funny
>>744043371Ah of course, the gay man doesn't need to actually be a "character" or something obsolete like that. He serves all the important role he could by being gay in the first place!The girls? No there's no reason to make their interactions have any depth. People will just say that it's "peak" and laugh at you for expecting writing.>>744043273>AM2R clears it completely. This is not to say SR is a bad game, but moreso that AM2R put a very high bar to clear, SR failed to clear it but Dread definitely did,Huh, Dread was pretty damn good, but it didn't live anywhere close to super metroid to me. how would you rate AM2R between saySuper, zero mission, and fusion?
>>744043487>I get what you mean just found it funnyalright alright fair. I just seethe at these troglodytes heaping praise upon what is essentially making "token" characters.
>>744043354Twitter users don't like manly things, which is why they make everything effeminate, enjoy your characters wearing fetish gear and pride flags in official posts
>>744043215The darkners who are not criminals (or who are not their second in command) are staing in jail as "visitors". I don't think they would form a gang, and the warden would probably just arrest them if they do.
>>744043494I would put AM2R on equal levels with Super Metroid, never above it but pretty fucking damn close, AM2R is like the ultimate GBA-era metroid game, it takes the smoothness of Zero Mission with the action of Fusion and give it a fun overworld to explore, AM2R may be linear and not as super duper open as Super is (Exploits or not), but AM2R's overworld is a fun time.
>>744043582>Twitter users don't like manly thingsthen they are twisted mockeries of humanity. >enjoy your characters wearing fetish gear and pride flags in official poststhanks I hate it. Yeah I've met gay people who's entire personality revolves entirely around being a feminine gay person and nothing else, but I've also met actual fucking human beings that happen to be gay and have interests and personality. I guess this is why I could tolerate and appreciate the writing of toby's games previously. Gay characters seemed to be actual characters (outside of when the romance was actively happening), so it didn't feel like I was going through an old era tumblr users wank off session.
>>744041901Will CWK become the gayest UT fangame of all? Is there any other that could surpass it? Will any fangame be more traight than UTY? (Not counting the ones from here, DRY is technically more straight already)
>>744043856>I would put AM2R on equal levels with Super Metroid, never above it but pretty fucking damn close,that's pretty damn high praise, I'll have to give it a shot.>it takes the smoothness of Zero Mission with the action of Fusion and give it a fun overworld to explore, AM2R may be linear and not as super duper open as Super is (Exploits or not), but AM2R's overworld is a fun time.neat, I'll give it a download sometime then for sure. thanks for talking about it
>>744043556>troglodytesBerdly... I am sorry that Susan has taken your boyfriend, you can always crack the purple flower though
>>744044019The purple flower has a 50% chance of being gay, would you take the risk?
>>744037785Stealth Undertale/Deltarune Yellow thread, janny.
>>744044019does berdly say troglodyte? I feel like I would have noticed that but maybe it slipped past me.>>744044003it depends on what "you are a good person" develops into. that may be the dealbreaker.
>Do you think a fanwork (fangame or mod) can be on the same level as the original game, or even surpass it?I'll be honest, ignoring the spooky creepypasta nature of B3313 I genuinely think it's the greatest 3D Mario game I've ever played. It really feels authentic in an uncanny "this came from an alternate reality" sort of way. It doesn't really feel like a fan game.
>>744044282it seems really cool, but I don't know if I have the mario 64 autism to actually spend a lot of time with it. Genuinely seems like an amazing effort though.
>>744044106Berdly took the same gamble with Kris
>>744044282still waiting for kaze's magnum opus
>>744044003Since Naranja takes inspiration from Baki, it will be both the straightest and gayest fangame of all
>>744044387It will be gay (but not lame).
>>744043264Neo Feistyj Six setting up their rooms in the dark jail, and Kanako "accidentally" locking Melody in a jail cell
>>744037785Archolos surpasses Gothic 2 in many ways. I don't think anyone could argue seriously otherwise. There's some sins Archolos commits like a couple of forced cutscene railroads that Gothic 2 didn't do that you can still prefer G2, but it's clearly not head and shoulders better.
>>744044431What fangame would be straight (but lame)?
>>744044468I hear gothic is an amazing game but I've never made time to play it. I've got no real excuse why not.
>>744044683I'm an old man that played them when they were relatively new so you shouldn't listen to me, but I think they hold up better than many old nerd games
>>744044528Probably the one that wanted to rewrite the story out of the game
>>744044837Deltraveller? But it isn't straight
>>744044890nah the one that wanted to make it so the prophesy was a lot more "oldschool jrpg" about how closely it was followed. The one that probably wasn't actually a game.>>744044795I'm in my 30's at least and grew up with a lot of games from the time, so I can appreciate the value of those games. I just never gave that game a shot for whatever reason. Possibly just turning right instead of left and so on since there are so many good games from that era to play.
>>744044431Its not gay if you do it with a monster
Lisa the Pointless is at the very least as good as Painful and superior to that joke of a sequel Joyful.All that despite the game still being unfinished.
>>744042883But there's only one Fight which you cannot even replay after beating. I think Bossrush would be nice
>>744045098Still impresses me how much of a modding community that game had. or fangame rather I guess?
>>744045445Probably because it's easy to do stuff in RPGmaker
>>744045534maybe so, I was going to ask, wasn't that one DRY take that was aggressively shitting on DRY1 also RPG maker, but then I don't actually remember seeing any gameplay for it.just hours upon hours of reenactment.
>>744045423A boss rush and a harder version of the chapter final boss would be perfect
>>744045672I don't think it exists as a game at allAs I remember, that guy made other "games" using rpgmaker but not his DRY take itself.
>>744045672>>744045927He said he was working on gamemaker, but I will believe it when I see it
>>744045927>>744046000I'm definitely skeptical. in the background you can see room sprites but they seem really flat in a way even default rpgmaker stuff doesn't really feel like.
>>744046116Oh no, those room sprites are 100% mock ups, there's no way those are actually part of a game, and if they are then this guy is even more full of shit for having criticized DRY's art
>>744045672He has a fangame made in RPG Maker which is as bad as it looks (pic related)If he is turning his DRY take into a proper game, he hasn't shared any of it yet
>>744037785Funny you should mention that. I just finished playing Black Mesa: Blue Shift. I thought it was pretty good, a lot better than vanilla Black Mesa, it makes the combat better and fixes a lot of the annoying level design in the main game. Fighting the aliens is better, fighting the marines is better (still *WAY* worse than HL1 marines though), Xen is better (still has the same problem of dragging on way too long, not matching the proper vibe, and having too many gimmick enemies, but its an improvement), and the worst part of the game, the tank fight, is still better than the helicopter in Black Mesa, because its an actual fight instead of just bullshit (seriously, the only way to beat the chopper on hard is to cheese it)Its has a lot more content than the original Blue Shift, but more isn't necessarily better. It has the Black Mesa problem of padding things that don't need padding (Xen is the worst offender, but the boss fights and combat encounters always feel like they drag on more than they should). Its definitely got more of a story and feels like less like something that was just thrown together. So in terms of story and spectacle I'd say its better, even if it plays way worse.
>>744046483>and if they are then this guy is even more full of shit for having criticized DRY's artthat was my thought. Seeing those rooms and hearing that criticism was something>>744046515and oh boy, that doesn't evoke confidence.as before, I wouldn't be so critical but, well when you throw stones in glass houses.
>>744046559I havent even played the original blue shift not sure if I can really touch a mod of it before I make time to play it.>xenyou know, I hear people complain about xen in og halflife but I don't remember it very strongly, which usually means it at least wasn't bad enough to stick with me really bad.
You aren't outdoing kingdom hearts
>>744046515Is that a fucking orange Martlet?
>>744046835You bet, giving sonic OC vibesThere is also a Martlet wearing a fedora
>>744046515>this is the guy criticizing DRY1>>744046835not only is that orange martlet, but there's also a gray axis in that picture as a wagie cashier.
>>744046559I had no idea the remake for Blue Shift was already finished, I should check that out, even if Blue Shift is the weakest Half Life expansion
>>744046835>>744046874>this is the person that gave DRY anon shit for reusing assets
>>744039148I don't know if HL2 counts as boomer shooter. Its not modern, but its also significantly different from Doom or Quake.
>Stealth Undertale Brownal threadIP ban Brazil
>>744039219Just because they didn't make the art assets and engine code doesn't mean they aren't doing a lot of work. Total conversion mods can have a lot of content, and are practically entirely new games. Look at something like Half Life Echoes, its easily on par with the Gearbox expansions in terms of scope, while having a higher standard of visual fidelity. It really pushes the engine to its absolute limits. Another Half Life example is Entropy Zero 2, its got an entirely new story and setting with lots of new gameplay mechanics, and is a again on par with the episodes in terms of scope.
