CS2 and TF2 are Still the only good multiplayer shooters
>>744097334Will never understand how cs2 is more popular than tf2. Way more boring.
>>744097334you already made this thread
>he hasn't played Forefront
i saw this thread earlier. it archived with like 10 replies
>>744097334Both are also in incredibly poor state of things, creative-bankruptcy wise. It really is true what they say about Valve, that they shifted from making games to making software and soon to be hardware.
>>744097334i had fun with ratz instagib recently, been a while since i played an arena shooter
>>744097584It's an indisputable fact, what's there to discuss?
>>744097487Jannies autosaged it
>>744097334Engineer gameplayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xTb4l6fNp8
>>744097636What's ratz instagib>>744097631TF2 still has more SOVL and comedy in 5 voice lines than all of overwatch, valorant and everything else combined
>>744097436It's more skill based. I get a better high when I clutch 1v3 in it but it's way more nerve wracking
>>744097805>What's ratz instagibA game where you shoot ratz, and they instagib.
>>744097805TF2 at it's core is very memorable therefore nostalgic but that wasn't my point at all.
frog thread goes up
>>744097334based
counter strike just doesn't appeal to me because it seems like the kind of game that only seems fun if you play it competitively.
The banter in TF2 automatically played voice lines would get you banned from most online games
>>744098652there's 36 year old uncs crushing it and winning the biggest events in competitive tho
>>744098652There used to be a time where it was fun, then esports faggotry came around, went mainstream and raped the game series for foreseeable future. In theory, you could go back and play the old games but it definitely will not be the same experience with majority of players being third worlders, some of them definitely cheating too. And don't even bother with most recent game, it will just be a waste of time for what you're looking for.
>>744097867It's not. Skill expression is a lot more satysfying on tf2. Csgo has more team tactics, tf2 has more individual impact
>>744099227>csgo has more team tactics>the tactic is some russian yelling at me to RUSH B CYKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>744099428part of the fun is understanding call-outs between all screams and moans in euro CS
>>744099227You could not have it more backwards the existence of medic and engineer alone prove you wrong
>>744097334it's been 20 years and no game even comes remotely close to tf2. Only tribes had a chance before it was ruined
Both games are pointless to get any good at because of the sheer amount of fucking Goddamn cheaters in them, both overt and closet; especially and particularly in my experience TF2.Almost every single lobby there's a fucking closet cheater at least one. And no they are not using spinbots or aimhacking as sniper or spy for silly headshots (though there is that too still). It's now moved onto sneaky shit like wallhacks and auto-det and proj aimbot and auto-trigger and aimlock and silent aim and critbucket and melee aimbot and backtracking and God, fucking hell just an endless amount of cringe poser shit like that. 10k+ hours played in the game I can instantly spot a cheater in TF2. I actually quit the game it's that bad. Majority of people have NO IDEA about it too which is infuriatingCS2 is the same I am told but that just has wallhack & aimbot, just a lot of it
>>744097436the price of the loot boxes that i farm is either at most 0,03 euro in tf2 or at most 1.50 euro in cs2and arguably it also takes more time to get the tf2 box - so natually i do not even have tf2 installed. cs2 i have installed and i only play on Wednesday every week. This is all i have to tell you - i play none of the other days of the week because it not a game but a job.
>>744099517Spy is possibly the most unique multiplayer class in history
>>744099227kek do tf2mutts really think this
>>744099542wtf is critbucket or backtracking the latter sounds like some king crimson delete time bullshit
>>744099591How am I wrong? Pub stomping in tf2 is infinitely more enjoyable then something as boring as spray patterns and an awp that instakills even on bodyshot. Movement alone puts tf2 leagues above cs
>>744099847most TF2 classes have no skill based movement + knife speedboost counts as skill based movement+ walk is also skill based movement
Still the best tf2 comp moment
>>744099657Critbucket is crits on demand and backtrack is making melee hitreg target a players past known position on the server, respectively A LOT of soldiers doing market gardener kill streaks these days are using a mix of ESP, melee aimbot and backtracking. Very few are legit. It's common for spies and demoknights to use backtrack and melee aimbot also.Another one I've seen a lot recently is fake lag. All of these cheats can be toggled on and off at will as well using a keybind so they use them selectively hence the term closet cheater The game is full of it. It's infuriating and Valve won't do a thing. Putting time and effort into becoming a god tier legit gamer is pointless because of it and its killing the hobby.
>>744100081This sounds like the rambling of a schizophrenic but i believe you
>>744099951Everysingle class besides maybe engineer requires movement mastery.
summon the lads for this intra valve shooter argument
>>744100081Well I'm a total shitter and I hadn' noticed this
>>744100225https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Cheating
>>744097334We still have L4D2, Deep Rock Galactic and Fortnite
>>>/vm/2766756fuck off faggot retard
>>744097436TF2 looks rancid after all the disgusting dogshit cosmetics valve addedimpossible to not geat a headache after 10 minutes when some nigger with a skeleton jerking off above his hat, pink beard, pink santa coat, golden burning weapon with a medic attached (also all pink) shits up your screen
how does *checks notes* MELEE aimbot matter when any shitter can kill you long before you get into melee range?
>>744101004Doesn't cs2 now have females? Infinitely worse than some hat
>>744101002t. seethemaxxer
>>744101065that didn't stick so they abandoned the idea and now all women cost batshit money on the marketnot comparable
>>744100898Replying to me like this makes you look like even more of a schizo. however i still believe you completely, simply because it makes me feel better about top-fragging
Cheating literally doesn't matter in TF2 because most people don't even notice but in CS 2 it completely ruins the match for everyone
Let's not pretend TF2 wasn't unplayable for years thanks to sniperbots
>>744100739It's present in all strata of the game from casual to "competitive" mode (the latter of which is just basically who can closet hack the most convincingly). Community servers have actual better anti-cheat than Valve ones. And they have admins that actually arrive and ban people.It's only ever guaranteed a safe legit match if it's done on LAN with computers that are independently verified not to have cheats on them. Most major community comp tournaments that are worth a fuck do it that way.>>744101136At this point anything I say makes you think I'm schizophrenic it seems. You really really want to think I am schizophrenic. No idea why. I think that's on you. I top-score too but there's cheaters in every single lobby in casual that will and do toggle on you. And you can still beat them with enough skill or if you catch them at an odd angle, but it doesn't change that they're closet cheating.>>744101230>Cheating literally doesn't matter in TF2 because most people don't even noticeYep............
>>744101326Sorry it someone is cheating and I can't even notice did they even really cheat?
>>744097334>Titanfall 2>Splatoon these games singlehandedly mog your retarded dogshit
>>744101520>dead trash>dead
>>744101230mostly because people are fucking retards
>>744101002Lol embarassing
>>744101493You're so close to getting it but I think it's funnier and more tragic if you just insist I'm a schizophrenic
>>744101592>/v/ will literally defend this
>>744101567nigga how is splatoon dead? We just got a new game and the games sell about over 10 million. Also fuck you titanfall 2 is the best, not trash
OW2 > TF2
>>744101065TRVKE
Tf2 is the last based game
>>744102250team fortress 2 is dogshit. Easily my least favorite valve game. It has such a repulsive artstyle
>>744102307Ok troon
>>744102250It still makes me laugh, so much SOVL was poured into it
>>744101004the losers dressed like that are fun to kill and if they're on your team then you can dab on them by being higher up than them on the scoreboard
>>744102315trannies love tf2 because it's a glorified chatroom nowadays
>>744102315im not a troon
>>744097436no random crits for once, shit game design
>>744102384Score is an indicator of how long a person has been in the lobby not skill. If you want to know about skill look at their K:DR>inb4 I don't care about KDR it's TF2>But I will brag about scoring higher than people with cosmetics LOLWhat a fucking retarded fag
>>744102439It's because they have a bully kink
>>744099556so its third worlder bullshit?
Which game is less ruined by brown people
>>744101640I'm not that anon retardI'm simply saying it doesn't matter if people cheat if people aren't aware
>>744097436CS is almost like a sport at this point, the competitive mode of the game has a structure that goes back 26 years and has been evolving and improving constantly, the skill ceilling is incredibly high
>>744101230people notice, but matches in tf2 mean nothing. you can leave with no penalty and there is no ranked matchmaking so people dont care
>>744103043Pretty muchThe cologne major was unironically more hype than the world cup on average
>>744103017>it doesn't matter if people cheat if people aren't awareThat is the biggest fucking bunch of retarded shit I have read this year on all of 4chan so far
>>744097334cs2 is unplayable because of cheaters
>>744103193It's the most boring shit ever. Whenever I try to watch cs2 esport it makes me want to fall asleep. What's fun about some guy clicking on another's head? The only esport fun to watch is rocket league.
why did mods autosage the prior frogthread about this?
>>744097436Because CS is a shooter at its core. It offers spilt second thrills and skills that fps players are looking for. TF2 and all hero shooters are not fps game. They're rpgs larping as a shooter for people who dont wanna play shooter.CS and Quake 3 Arena are the greatest multiplayer shooters ever made and their design lives through every fps release from indie to AAA. Heroslops are dying left and right because people realized that forced game designs cant never replace skill based combat.
>>744099542>>744100081I'm not 100% sure here but IIRC the VAC version that tf2 uses doesn't perform any heuristics at all and only uses signature detection. It might have been fine to ban retards who installed free, well known cheats back in 2008 after they were added to a database, but if someone wants to cheat in tf2 and isn't a complete moron, they can do it and never get caught.
>>744104046LMAO quake is way more similar to tf2 tha cs, what a fucking larp.
>>744097334https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXQCsoEDLLE
hell yeah cs thread
>>744104309half time voicechat was so fvcking peak...
>>744104215You can literally bypass a VAC ban.The only thing that works is a game ban.And you can bypass that by just making an alt account and cheat on that for years until it, too, gets a game ban, and then you can just make another account, and so on...It's so retarded
>>744104309german language was made for war
patiently waiting for shroudschizo to show up and dump the same debunked webms for the 93953995th time
>>744104626in short, tf2 going f2p was a mistake
>>744097334that's sad since those are both dogshit
>>744104821kek that retard posts here too?
>>744097436Its the chess of fps
>>744097334Cs2 was great in many ways but the map pool is so fucking stale even with cache being brought it. Valve need to do some actual fucking dev work>>744098943worst rating of a major winner ever. He crushed it by his calling and ability to uplift his team his gameplay was hot dogshit
>>744097436TF2 is obviously more ruined by its design decisions and autistic user base, CS:GO/CS2 is more grounded in its gameplay first focus. you can more easily explain CS2 as "american football, with a bomb on one of the teams and guns on each team trying to stop the bomb from being planted and the team with the bomb trying to plant the bomb."
>>744108398>american football, with a bomb on one of the teams and guns on each team trying to stop the bomb from being planted and the team with the bomb trying to plant the bomb.that is the worst description i have ever heard, i know you want to force a sports metaphor but it has no connection to american football
>>744108497it has the same mentality and expectations. Team Fortress 2 on the other hand is a tug of war with specialized guns and very thematic classes that do a specific thing which ends up becoming like a rock paper scissors of field control and area denial based on who's where at the time. (too complicated to explain.)
>>744097334I liked day of defeat more
>>744108614literally not that complicated. Defend/Stand on point, push/block cart, carry case from one spot to another all while people are shooting. It's not rocket science to explain
>>744108806its harder to get the nuances of the class-based system in a TF2 match than CS:GO bomb match, bomb match is the easiest form of competition to explain in FPS gaming with a clear real-world example they can tie it to which helps the cross-over between real world and game knowledge transfer to fully "get" the situation. Team Fortress does none of this. a lot of soldiers for this reason used to play Battlefield and CS vs Cod or TF.
>>7440974365v5 competitive is a lot more thrilling than just butting heads mindlessly in a 24 man server
thread goes uppepe on the 'log
>>744109016wtf is a bomb matchyou mean de_ maps?
>>744097334>Team Fortress 2Gold standard whenever it comes to an actual casual, play it your way shooter where you can find servers tailored to your interests.What like twenty god damn years? and I have yet to find another class based shooter as euphoric and memorable as Team Fortress 2 in its prime. Every shooter that tries to ape TF2 always feels like shit to play or doesn't have that smooth source movement, whilst having the shittest matchmaking known to man.
