Why does /v/ spend fourteen trillion hours playing JRPGs and so one where 99% of it is text and then they don't learn Japanese so they can understand the text fullya/?
you don't even know english
i want to learn spanish so i can understand the enemies in resident evil 4 (and also pretty much everyone in my miami neighborhood)
>>744424296Why? More than half the time they just say "kill him" in Spanish
>>744424339the latinx online say it's funnier when you understand it or something
Put more Spanish in games and more importantly put more thick tortas in game
Give it up anons. You can't do it.
>>744424227fpbp
>>744424060give me some vidya recs for immersing jp thenwhat are the easier games
I tried watching a playthrough.Every time I heard an Engrish term I felt like what I was doing was stupid. And Japanese has a lot of those.I prefer the sound of proper English over the sound of English but pronounced wrong.
there has got to be an easier way to do this shit
>>744426659Kanon
>>744426787That's crazy I already downloaded that one. May as well start now.
I'm learning JP but all the stuff i wanna immerse myself in is beyond my understanding and the stuff i can immerse myself in is stuff i don't wanna read. What do? must i suffer before i enjoy the fruits of my labor?
RPGs and VNs are both long dead genres, but people see them as mere tools to learn Japanese so I guess that counts for something.
>>744424296>detras de ti imbecil=behind you imbecile>voy a mataaaaarte= I'm goooonaaaa kill you>un forastero= a foreigner>No dejéis que se escape=don't let him escape>puta=your mom
>>744426958>all the stuff i wanna immerse myself in is beyond my understanding and the stuff i can immerse myself in is stuff i don't wanna read.Couldn't be me. Nintendies win again.
>>744424060why are you posting this in english instead of japanese?
>>744426958Suffer through one text heavy game and it will get easier
>>744427220今、ぼくは日本語を話しません。
>>744426659Fantasy Life i is a great one.
>>744427252Recommendations?
>>744426958It's going to be like 10 years before you can completely enjoy yourself with the language.So give up on that idea and just play the stuff you want to play.
>>744427541whatever you like.It's pointless asking someone else for recs because you need to play stuff that interests YOU.
>>744424060Too MANY RUNES
>>744427541The Maiden Rape Assault: Violent Semen Inferno
>>744424060Moonrunes are annoying
>>744426782Get rid of the training wheels with EnglishRaw subs will feel like cheating over time
Dying language that stole most of its characters from Chinese but the population is so retarded they don't even know what the majority of kanji is by the time they leave school.
>>744428174that's the problem its hard to find native anime without hardcoded subs
>>744428298ive never had a problem with that just download from the cat website
>>744424060>practicing kanji before cramming vocab>the games i'm most interested in are kana-only
>>744428449are you trying to play nes games?
>>744428521yes, like time twist
>>744428434i see ty
>>744428550cool good luck. kana only is brutal
>>744428449Why are you practicing Kanji separately from vocabYou are not Japanese schoolboy, dont make unnecessary work for yourself
What comes after cure dolly?
>>744428617yeah it's gonna be crazy, but that's one of the super unapproachable games so it sounds like a good challenge>>744428636>Why are you practicing Kanji separately from vocabi feel like my memory is made more solid if i'm practicing via recall and drawing the kanji from its semantic definition>You are not Japanese schoolboyyeah i'm not following the graded sets at all, i'm going through the kodansha methodit's wacky, it doesn't get you ready to read very quickly at all, it's a method that is somewhat closer to an etymology based approach and interpreting the radicals and graphemes (though some stuff is still just mnemonics by the author)i didn't want to be stuck not being able to read handwriting like so many other learners
>>744428727Pure Jolly. Read easy manga like Yotsuba and Doraemon, worked for me. Use mokuro + yomitan for easy word lookups or just do it manually with the furigana. They won't be easy for you at first but if you're smart you'll figure it out. If you're dumb you shouldn't try to learn Japanese, pick an easier language.
>>744429062>i didn't want to be stuck not being able to read handwriting like so many other learnersI don't think you need to do anything special to read handwriting, it just comes with familiarity with the language. A lot of reading involves predicting what the person is going to say next before they even say it based on context so even if some kanji is a total mess, based on the surrounding words and based on the very vague impression it gives you it just clicks.
>>744429632ok
>>744426659A game you've already played in english
>>744429873I don't think playing black myth wukong in JP is the best for a learner who barely scratches n5
>>744424060because learning a useless, complicated language to play shitty games is something only permavirgins would do
reading in my tl gives me a headache. how do i stop this (don't say "read more")
>>744433249drink water, have good lighting, raise your font size
>>744424060>Why does /v/ spend fourteen trillion hours playing JRPGs and so one where 99% of it is text and then they don't learn Japanese so they can understand the text full, yah?>t. hawaiian with a beach ball
Please recommend gaming related Nihon Youtube channels that aren't /vt/umors and makes videos that are a reasonable length. Non-gaming related is okay too I guess.
real talk are classic jrpgs good immersion content or should i stick with vns?
>>744437412They are practically the same thing. The only issue is the older ones have lower resolution text which is harder to read.
>>744426659Any Dragon Quest
test
>>744424060何に?わだしにほん五すごいだよ、きみわわだしのにほん五わがりませんです
>>744435812Vidya content is cancer in all forms. I prefer your standard variety slop, nobrocktv is fun.
>>744440632実験の成果はどうだった>>744440724わがった。善々よみにくく内
>>744435812>>744440860does gamecenter cx count they have a youtube channel
>>744428236Chinese is so inefficient that its people can't even write their own language and they had to take advice from the West and simplify it
>>744425918>しちゃI HATE IT
>>744443336HE HATES IT. What seems to be the issue, anon?
>>744424060It would be better if the Japanese switched to the Latin alphabet and abandoned their alien sticks.
>>744443651Kana is so fucking stupid, I HATE ITI hate it when they turn the second half of a compound word kana just so it's harder to identify, fuck you the entire point of kanji is having immediately identifiable semantics at the writing level like a civilized language
>>744444006しちゃだめ is something you say to kids to tell them not to do something so writing it in kana just makes sense.
>>744428236it feels weird seeing this guy here...
>>744444062Nothing in this stupid language makes senseIt's so fucking bad they can't even write names
>>744444293Names are probably the hardest thing for me right now. Like reading actual books they will tell you how the character's name is pronounced the first time and you better remember it or write it down because by god you are not getting that information again. I guess in reality the pronunciation of a fictional character's name isn't really important but it feels weird reading a book where you don't know how to say the characters' names.
Learning a language is really hard if you dont use it outside of studying it or one specific hobby.
Where do you get reading material that isn't public domain?
>>744444418Japanese name writing falls under the classification of proto writing to be honest i.e a series of characters serving as a memetic aid that the reader already needs to know the contents of to be able to understand. >>744444685There are some sites like nyaa, dunno what's best there since I just import everything from amazon Japan.
>>744444664>Learning a language is really hard if you dont use itWow, really?
how do you young'uns motivate yourselves to study a language that's only spoken in a place that's getting more and more stupid? I probably know more words than the average toudai graduate at this point so it's too late to back out for me
鷹揚 得意先素人、代物FUCK onomatopeic wordsFUCK loanwords>>744445428It doesn't have aversive conditioning the way a job or job training does
>>744429162>If you're dumb you shouldn't try to learn Japanese, pick an easier language.I hate how true you are, that grammar makes me wanna kms.
>>744444293genuinely bad language.
i only play Jrpgs translated in english
>>744444162he tweeted about video games before.
>>744445475>FUCK onomatopeic wordsyou're gonna have to be very proactive if you want to get good at thoseonomatope alone is probably more effort than "mastering" French...
>>744445428>a place that's getting more and more stupid?Is there any place on earth that isn't getting stupider with time? We are living in a very dysgenic era. >>744445505>true You would say "correct" or "right" there, not "true." "True" applies to information, not people. >>744445612Onomatopeia is something you can work out by the context half the time. Just learn the really common ones.
>>744427478You mean 話せません? Your sentence implies you won't but you could.
>>744424451the spaniards still hold up Don Quixote as the greatest piece of spanish writing ever written because nothing they've ever made since the 1600's has ever had literary merit to it. So I really wouldn't trust the opinion of a spanish speaker about writing
>>744445475Fuck homophonesIt's fine in written language but trying to figure out which of the 30 different versions of a two syllable combination you just heard especially when they can occur in the exact same context like 皇軍, 後軍 and 紅軍. 紅軍の行軍が皇軍の後軍に止められた
>>744443336>>744444293it's just a phonetic simplification of しては , which is basic grammar.it's like if you complained about how in English "It is" gets shortened to "it's"
>>744426659Dragon QuestPokemonDoubutsu no Mori (that's Animal Crossing for those not in the know!)pretty much any heavy text based nintendo game
>>744446080that sentence could be translated about 5 different ways into English, the one that makes the most sense would be "I don't speak Japanese," but of course if you really wanted to get your point across then yes, you should just say 話せません
>>744430823
>>744446595No, not when you start it with a time factor of 今. It sounds like currently you won't speak Japanese, but at a later date you might. It's unnatural.
How and why does めでたい turn into めでたげな Isn't it already an adjective?
>>744446769げ = seeming, appearing. Another way to say that would probably be めでたそう or めでたいらしいNot the same as using the adjective outright, there is a degree of uncertainty or second-handedness.
>>744446769Putting げ (気) on an adjective changes it into a supposition. Now you're saying it "seems" auspicious. When you add the げ suffix, you need to re-adjectivize it with the particle な.
guys what do you recommend for when you pass N1 and now need to get good at actual speaking, writing, and output?I don't know what the best practices are. Do I go to vrchat or some shit? How do I get input on my own writing?
>>744446969go to a community college and get graded by a real Japanese person for creative writing prompt assignments and speaking testsor VRchat, either works
>>744446969>need toWhy? Is it for a job or something? I thought about going on VRChat but I haven't gotten up the balls to do it yet. My best experience so far was hopping on a futaba Minecraft server and chatting with them for a bit. I was sweating bullets trying to remember how to say stuff and keep up with the pace of the conversation but they were surprisingly nice considering what futaba threads are like sometimes.
>>744425918>you can't fuck mechallenge accepted
>>744446969If you're N1, you shouldn't need to ask such a stupid question.
>>744447191why not? passing N1 doesn't mean you're native level.I didn't say I aced it after all. Plus I passed it without any output training at all, so are you saying you can learn output from nothing but input? I doubt it.
>>744447191N1 doesn't mean shit especially considering you can fuck up dozens of questions and still pass
>>744447191N1 is the equivalent of a middle schooler
>>744446969Learn substantial things that interest you to a point you can rephrase it on the fly. Do as much talking to yourself. Explain to your tulpa why you like that anime so much, or why you hate something, or why we should all go innawoods
>>744447325Maybe a first year.
>>744445694>You would say "correct" or "right" there, not "true." "True" applies to information, not people.When you're fluent you stop caring about grammar. Even more so if you're a native speaker.The only reason to learn any rules is to be able to break them, be it law, art or grammar.
>>744447432You are incorrect. Rules exist to be followed.
Do you have native friends?
>>744447258>you can learn output from nothing but inputyou can, but it has to be astronomical amounts of inputlike twenty to thirty times the total amount of content you've consumed so farinb4>上達してる実感が一向に湧かないんだけど!it actually is happening but it's extremely slow you will not be able to perceive the differenceunless you literally go AJATT and drop all of your other interests and languages (no talking to family and friends) etc for six months straight I suppose
Back when I was learning Japanese it was fun, particularly when I dropped Anki and moved to other options, but I couldn't get myself to ever actually do any reading or watching of stuff so it was just pure vocab studies with the occassional chapter of manga read. I'd like to start learning again but if I'm not going to be able to make myself do those things which I wasn't able to because of a pure lack of enjoyment of basically everything, which I still sort of have now but less so it's pointless
>>744447432When you break rules, such as in poetry or lyrics or prose, you break them with a purpose to achieve some kind of effect. The post I corrected was clearly an ESL mistake made by someone who didn't realize he was breaking a rule to begin with. Not correcting ESLs is not being kind to them, I realize this now as a JSL. If I make a mistake I would prefer a native correct me over letting me continue to embarrass myself in future conversations.
>>744447623>true>ESL mistakeThe fuck you talking about? Natives say this shit all the time
>>744447623>, you break them with a purpose to achieve some kind of effect.True>he post I corrected was clearly an ESL mistake True>made by someone who didn't realize he was breaking a rule to begin with.You are not true here I was thinking of saying "how true this is" but switched mid sentence to "how true you are", and didn't care enough to correct myself.Also you may wanna chimp out at me for using lots of commas instead of periods, afaik burgers. like. separating. everything. with. periods.
>>744447734(what you said is) True.NOT(you are) True.There is another meaning you can apply to people, for example "He is honest and true." but it's a different context, not something you say when you agree with someone. You are making a remark on their personality in that case.
>>744424060I'm fluent in Japanese but play in English because I don't read the text anyway
>>744447913>erm, it's actually FEWER not LESSyeah yeah blow it out your ass, you damn prescriptivist
>>744446969The fuck did you pass n1 for if you're not using it for anything
>>744447913nigga english isn't something to be autistic aboutit's a literal negro speak these days
>>744425918uncensor NOW
>>744448001>these daysEnglish has been fucked over by foreigners since forever. Scandinavians obliterated the grammar, Latin languages replaced half the vocab, and then the French screwed up the spelling
Get on my level
>>744447981That's a normie mistake, not one I ever cared about. There are normie grammatical mistakes and there are ESL mistakes. Normie mistakes aren't worth correcting, if a high enough % of the population makes a mistake it just becomes a feature of the language. However, considering ESLs probably outnumber native speakers I guess the same shit is going to happen except now with ESL-tier mistakes.
>>744447258>>744447289>>744447325I never said N1 was a high level, just that you're beyond not knowing how to form sentences. You're well past the beginner phase of wondering, "How do I improve my writing?"
>>744447981Despising prescriptivism is how you get stuff like normies, especially women, using the "incel" to mean "person I don't like".
>>744448227yeah, it's also how you turn "fag" into a suffix that means both "person I don't like" and "person I like" and even sometimes meaning "homosexual"
>>744448191>However, considering ESLs probably outnumber native speakers I guess the same shit is going to happen except now with ESL-tier mistakes.Took you long enough to figure it out.
>>744430758This is N4 at most.
>>744448210>just that you're beyond not knowing how to form sentences.just because you "know" how to lift weights, it doesn't mean you're gonna be competing against any strongmen anytime soonand we're talking about simply PASSING the N1 here, a test that is a complete joke compared to the stuff offered in other major languages to begin with!*pic*19 points!you can fuck up OVER HALF of the questions in a single section and still pass simply by doing OKAYISH in the other two!https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=EBX54WYLt4M
>>744448657You're acting like the N1 is some kind of beginner test they hand out to tourists. It takes most people around 2 years of study to pass it. I understand that it's become kind of a meme in the community to mock it, but it doesn't exactly cover beginner material.
>>744448035I cannot fulfill this request. I am programmed to be a helpful and harmless AI assistant. My safety guidelines prohibit me from producing, displaying, or analyzing sexually explicit content.
>>744424451Its Not funny at all, or interesting for that matter. I'm latino and they speak Castillan Spanish, Spanish from Spain but a very rigid version that no Spaniards would ever talk. And I'm not saying that they are talking Ye Olde Spanish, which is pretty cool but just automated phrases with no intonation at all. Whether this was Laziness because they knew nobody but Spaniards and some latinos would tell the difference or they actually did it on purpose to convey the Plagas turn you into a drone with no personality is up for debate
>>744448790Is n1 useful? JPLT seemed to get increasingly removed from useful additions somewhere around N2.
>>744448790>You're acting like the N1 is some kind of beginner test they hand out to tourists.that's funny because if you read any netouyo comments on jewtube, they all seem to expect tourists visiting Japan for a single week in their entire life to be conversational in Japanese (something a lot of N1 holders can't do)
anyone else hate these faggotsall they do is suck Japanese dick for clicks
>>744448959Definitely not. I'd even go so far as to call it a scam. I think it's only required for people working in the public sector and in translation. Most don't even know it exists.>>744448980This is true, but those guys are also assholes.
>>744449067I wouldn't know, I'm not a subhuman that watches immigrant videos.
>>744449067I hate [website] posters, now hang yourself
>>744449067Can't imagine clicking on a video with a thumbnail like that. Genuinely looks aimed at young (retarded) children, like Mr. Beast or the like.
>>744449067>language learning videos when it's a non-germanic/italic language
>>744445428>a place that's getting more and more stupidon that notehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPZ6AnHV_54comment section swarming with netouyo bitches as usualit's funny seeing basement-dwelling mouthbreathers whine about foreigners when their gibs are sourced from the fucktons of taxes foreign workers pay(netouyo also unironically believe foreigners don't pay taxes btw)
>>744449525Д is an easy letter, let him try to pronounce Ы
>>744449305>Genuinely looks aimed at young (retarded) childrenI meanhave you looked at the stuff the Japanese post and like on Musk's site? actually don't look at it
>>744449738Twitter sucks ass, I don't care what language it's in. I stopped using the site entirely years ago. It's built from the ground up to promote retardation. Even reddit isn't this bad (I mean from a fundamental site design perspective. The problem with reddit is moreso its mods/admins that ban any wrongthink. But twitter would still be bad even if they didn't do that because the design is fundamentally terrible).
>>744448657>you can fuck up OVER HALF of the questions in a single section and still pass simply by doing OKAYISH in the other two!This is not true. JLPT questions are weighed differently and getting 100 out of 180 usually means getting a lot more than 60 percent right.Nobody but the graders themselves know the system in detail but for what it's worth in the year I took it something like 30% passed.>>744448959Don't go by online grammar and vocab lists. The N1 hasn't had an official grammar/vocab in over a decade and the lists you find are extremely out of date.The reading sections are curated from real articles. Basically if you can read news articles and understand everyday business speech you will pass, otherwise unless you have really good test skills you will not.
>>744451030This guy knows what's up.
>>744451030>for what it's worth in the year I took it something like 30% passedwell that fact is actually not worth much...tons of delusional weeb retards keep taking those tests hoping to luck out since it's all multiple choice trashI looked at r/JLPT a few months ago and I was *this* close to getting an aneurysm from the retardation on display there was a person who kept taking one of the lower JLPT levels every single year yet failing every time... like five times in a row? what are you even doing? considering the fees have quintupled over the years, the JLPT has become quite a profitable business
Why'd they put 天声人語 behind a paywall
>>744452324For money, I assume.
>>744452392
>>744451030>something like 30% passed.There are a lot of literal retards who take it after doing a year's worth of college study that amounts to a week's worth of actual study, and they get stumped on the first page when it isn't in romaji.
Because learning another language takes an immense amount of time and isn't fun at all.
>>744453547It takes barely any time and is really quite fun.
>>744453547This is true, though it can be enjoyable to learn with the right mindset.>>744453578This is untrue. Japanese takes a lot of hours of study. Kanji alone is a difficult hurdle for Westerners.
>>744424060/v/ is mostly retarded third world children now. All the white oldfags learned moon years ago.
>>744453704Kanji isn't a problem but their definitions are kind of ass and I don't think I'll ever stop feeling like an outsider looking in through a mailbox slot at sentences which make word choices and phrasings look like alien language the moment we move past manga-sized sentences.
>>744427541Famicom detective club remakes of you’re okay with a vn (they’re the best for learning though). I’m currently playing parasite eve in Japanese and that’s pretty good practice, but no voicing of course. It would benefit you to get comfortable reading kanji too. There’s an app I like called Maneki Kanji that’s pretty good
It feels impossible at the moment. Is this langauge a cruel joke played on slow Japanese children to mindbreak them? It must be difficult even for natives..
>>744454638Sometimes it definitely feels that way. I think the reality is that the massive distance between East and West means every complication that could arise does arise.>no alphabet>backwards syntax>language isolate (now a family but only by technicality)>heavy topicalization>pro-dropetc. etc.
>>744454782I'm just feeling despondent as my sleep is all fucked up and i just started speaking on iTalki and can't express the thoughts i want to.It's just i want to say things outside by level, i just got to work on speaking more simply >_<
>>744454638japs learn the language in reverse order. they learn the spoken language and then see symbols attached to ideas and concepts. foreigners try to learn the symbols with a list of 5 different meanings and multiple readings like that makes any sense.
>>744455040It must still be difficult though and take an enormous amount of time, especially if you aren't the most intelligent to begin with
>>744453431You're not completely wrong but people who are completely retarded are filtered out at lower levels before trying N1.JLPT N1 is like early high school level reading. For an adult native that's an expectation that the vast virtually everyone meets, but getting there in a foreign language, especially Japanese, takes a lot of time.>>744453547>>744453578Japanese does take an immense amount of time but for me it was one of the most fun and rewarding experiences of my life.Past a certain point you're just chilling, immersing, watching anime, playing games, reading social media, etc.Tons of things that you do already anyway but instead of the dread you feel afterward from rotting in a chair and not doing anything productive you feel yourself slowly getting better and better. It tricks your brain into feeling like mindless content consumption is a meaningful task.If I had time I'd probably do it with a third language.
>>744448828Unless you pay a subscription.
Everyone should listen to this guy >>744455159He actually knows his stuff.
>>744455119日本の生徒という生徒たちにとっても国語の勉強の進みが遅い
>>744429062>it's wacky, it doesn't get you ready to read very quickly at all, it's a method that is somewhat closer to an etymology based approach and interpreting the radicals and graphemesLots of words just to say "I'm using RTK"
Walled by Kanji. I won't put the effort in. It's slowing me down
>>744429162I have been doing that, i have also looked into this channel called ferumi manga university
>>744455530>NというNThank you for teaching me new stuff
>>744456891That's like one of the most common uses lol
I hate when words have three synonyms that all use the same left-hand character. I hate when compounds swap the left and right character but stay in the same lexical field.
>>744458232I vibed my way to 180/180 N1 and I have no idea what your issue is
>>744458514DJT larpers need to GTFO.
>>744444685might be worth trolling zlib, libgen, and anna's archive - just set the searched language to jp
>>744458593It's a real cointoss in my experience. They also really like PDFs, it's crazy to me how anybody reads PDFs longer than three pages if you're not a latex bound researcher.
>>744447981believe what you like, but you should note well that people can (and will) judge you for making what may seem to be trifling and picayune mistakes
>>744453547niggas will say this while having 6000 hours logged on league of legends
>>744458938i'm told you can convert pdfs to epub on calibre - haven't tried it myself, but it's worth an attempt
>>744459136League takes a lot less brain power than Japanese.
>>744459136Don't you dare accuse me of playing liquid shit ever again you fucking nigger.
>>744458938on zlib you can filter by file extension>>744444685zlib and nyaa
Any author whose prose or texts you particularly like? I tend to drop VNs
>>744460174Tanizaki Jun'ichiroKawabata YasunariEnchi FumikoInoue YasushiEndo ShusakuAbe KoboKono TaekoAriyoshi SawakoOe Kenzaburo
>>744460174I can only read JP translations of works I already know or RAWS and slowly crawl through games and mine anime yet.I wish discworld wasn't sparsely translated with weird picks and wasn't out of print, even with how well kept their secondhand goods are.
>>744424060What's the point of learning a language that has nothing good to read.That's like spending all your money on a console with no games.
>>744463939You don't like any Japanese media?
>>744463939
Reminder that RTA in Japan is on in just a couple of days!You CAN understand Japanese without subtitles, right anon?
>>744464914Oh god, that sounds like torture. Those events are bad enough in English.
>>744464914RTA?
>>744465565Real time attack, the Japanese word for speedrun. It's their version of GDQ.
>>744463939But japanese does though
>>744465904Nah. I've heard before streamers can be a good source of audio but that's never been for me
>>744426659it isn't particularly easy but unironically, disco elysium
>>744466527That one's gotta be on the harder end.
>>744447981"I hate how true you are" is just not something English speakers would say. As others have already said, you'd only say a person is "true" or "true to" to remark on a general quality of the person themselves and not that they happen to be right about something, it's intuitively obviously wrong and ESL in a way that "fewer vs less" isn't
>>744426958Same problem. The interesting stuff isn't "comprehensible input" so appearently I'm "white noising"
>>744445428>diffuculty is getting lowerselling point desu
>>744466593One nice aspect I discovered trying that to it is that it has a single button toggle between translation and original text. Didn't know that.It doesn't hook nicely like a VN but it has a searchable data dump on disco-elysium-scribe DOT pages DOT dev you can use to highlight text and lookup vocabulary. >>744426659You can play book of hours. It has built in copy paste of most text dialogs. It's full of archaic phrasings though, because the translation tries to emulate AK's careful word choice and the occult is nothing if not packed with posers. So titles like How the End will Begin turn into 斯様にして終わりが始まる。I couldn't tell you the effect for a native though, some of these look like bitch to render like The Sevenfold Slaying of the Seven-Coiled turning into 七つの鎌首は七度切り裂く。Other than that, Ghost Trick is meant to be finishable by children and a good, JP original story. I never tried the Ace attorneys but I'd bet they're like that too. Sekiro or Armored core if you're into From games.
>>744464914It's not a real event this time, it's a fucking relay.
>>744424060
>>744466967At the beginning the sheer novelty of "holy shit I understand what they are saying" should be enough to push you through "uninteresting content." I just finished the stupidest fucking book the other day that was clearly written for kids but it was fun because it was easy and still, to a certain extent, up my alley. You should open up your mind a little and try content you wouldn't normally in your native language, you might be surprised at what you can enjoy.
>>744426659Sabbat of the Witch had the first route I finished completely in JPNukitashi was the first game I finished completely in JP which wasn't very easy but it greatly expanded my vocabulary>>744467237Ace Attorney has the problem of having some parts on auto read with no way of slowing it down + unvoiced which might make it tough
Somehow I keep mixing 厳しい and 激しいThey aren't even close>>744467871Fully auto read parts can still be recorded. It's not terribly elegant but that's how I went through Sekiro's cutscenes and combat dialog because holy fuck, Owl's voice makes certain sounds impossible to identify to my gaijin ears.
>>744467272おしっこはトイレに
>>744467871>Ace Attorney has the problem of having some parts on auto read with no way of slowing it down + unvoiced which might make it toughThis is where emulators come in handy. For games like that you can usually bind a key or button to "pause/resume emulator". Had to do that so I could read the opening intro screens of a bunch of SNES JRPGs.
死ねチョン
>>744468075>Somehow I keep mixing 厳しい and 激しい> They aren't even closeI do the same thing. They are both "shii" adjectives, they both have the 攵 radical, they both mean "intense" as one of their meanings. Understandable mistake.
>>744457682That's the first time i see to iu being used that way to emphasize every single Noun of same Noun.
>>744468075>>744468808>激しい>激Did they really make violent adj out of combination of water white person strick/hit?
>>744467216a place getting more stupid means the difficulty is getting higher because the place is a shithole
>>744469330White person is 白人, so no.
>>744448959The job I have right now literally pays more than double if you have an N1 certificate. And I do have one.
>>744469330you think there's a grapheme for "white person"?
>>744469446Oh and to add, I still have a hard time communicating with my japanese coworkers (particularly because I'm not well versed with business keigo) and I'm still learning a lot of japanese at work every day. Probably at a rate far higher than when I was just self studying.Either the people hiring don't know that N1 doesn't really test for production, or they know that but it's still way better than hiring some uncertified bum.
>>744451030>Don't go by online grammar and vocab lists. The N1 hasn't had an official grammar/vocab in over a decade and the lists you find are extremely out of date.There are people who take the JLPT just to smurf it and post the answer keys and questions online from memory. Look up the answer key for the one last July. It would be trivial to make an "official", de-facto vocab list from that.Obviously it's not a one-man operation. They probably assign short sections to each other, or they manage to smuggle notes in and out (which is really easy if you have pockets...).
>>744469424>>744469652I was just joking, since it looks like the radicals for 方白水 give the image of a white sailor
>>744429162>>744445505The full title of the book in the meme is "you can't learn japanese alone", which is true of any language. You need to use the language, with other people, to really learn it. If you're just tryna read jrpgs and VN's then you're setting yourself up for failure. You gotta go shitpost on 2ch at the very least. Maybe play on a Japanese server for a chill online game. You gotta interact with people. If dumb people couldn't learn Japanese, then Japan wouldn't have dumb people. But they do, because they're immersed in Japanese and are forced to speak it. Force yourself to speak it.
>>744470521Japanese are notoriously shy, they barely interact with eachother themselves.
>>744470521You don't need any of that stuff to learn Japanese. I'd argue you're wasting your time.
>>744469446RadI guess moon could come in useful after all
>>744470970Sure, yeah, "need" wasn't the right word. You technically don't "need" anything but a dictionary and a book on grammar to learn a language but that's obviously not the best way to learn. It's not a waste of time.
>>744471278You just don't learn much talking with people. You learn when you sit down, analyze, and attempt to recall the things that you encounter. Talking with people just detracts from that, as "exciting" as it may be.
>>744469946oh bc of 方 interpreted as person. yeah ok
>>744424060The translation "issues" are massively exaggerated. You'll have a game with thousands of lines of dialogue and autists will cherry pick the two or three in-jokes the translators put in and act like it's the whole game.
>>744471784It's not even remotely exaggerated. Games have some of the loosest translations imaginable.
>>744471784it's people who don't know a lick of japanese who run their mouthes the loudest i've noticed. the other day i saw someone post on xitter something along the lines of "this game's writing is originally jidaigeki-esque and that's why they went with a more archaic tone for the translation". and i was bitch, you don't even know what that means (also it's not true at all but they wouldn't know)
>>744469446Well what kind of job is it?
you can also just learn jap using ordinary games. doesn't have to be super anime-themed. just make sure it's from jap devs or its foreign-lang-to-jap translation is proper. immersion is what matters most at the end of the day.
>>744472098Why do you have two subtitles?
>>744472251because I want all my text content in a useful digital format.
Learning Japanese was worth it because I actually started being able to enjoy Japanese humor.
>>744472456Oh, that's some kind of OCR overlay.
>>744445428>language that's only spoken in a place that's getting more and more stupidbrb gonna unlearn my native language (Spanish)
>>744472550not exactly, the text is all taken straight from the game files to ensure definite accuracy, OCR is used to take a portion of text which will likely yield an exact match to find the relevant text in the extracted game files, the rest copied from there. I don't trust that current OCR models will yield 100% accuracy yet
>>744472842Paddle definitely won't, but Google Lens will (or at least with 99% accuracy). Did you rig that set up yourself?
>>744473116>Did you rig that set up yourself?yeah, it's vibe-coded slop.
>>744440724lern to kanji
>>744472098drop the mpv script names
>>744473334>>Did you rig that set up yourself?>yeah, it's vibe-coded slop.>>744475137grim
>>744472530Do writing tweaks like 仲間 becoming 仲魔 in SMT countHow many conan cases are really writing tricks?
Man I don't know how the hell you're supposed to make head or tails of nip websites and manga services even if you're ready to pay. It is such a clusterfuck every time.
>>744424060jrpgs are trash and only subhuman retards play them
>>744426958> Like scifi, which always has insane kanji> Hate slice of life> Gay so dumb vn girls have no appealIt was fucking suffering until I got to N2. The only games I could enjoy were Pokémon and Paper Mario. Now I'm playing the DS Xenosaga collection untouched by the west and it's peak.
But I did learn. Don't forget to check out Tokimeki 2 when a translation comes out guys.
>>744479423Why would I?
>>744479423trash
I finished Kaishi 1.5k, a grammar guide, and some animes without subtitles, what should i do now? Should i mine Manga or VN now? Any other tip would be appreciated.
>>744449535Malding parasite westoid, you will get kicked out and there is nothing you can do about it.You chose to poison another country with your autism because you were a failure in your own country, so now face the consequences.
>>744480217先ず第一に平手で思いっきり自分の顔を殴って、次の指示を待つのだ
>>744449535you are not welcome no matter how hard you try
>>744472031I can't go into too much detail, basically I am just a monkey slave. But the pay is ridiculously good so I don't complain.
he sucking nip dick for cash
>>744473334based DIY
>>744480217just keep readingdon't stopdon't even think of stopping
>>744478780TEACH ME
>>744482274If you need someone to teach you, it's already over. Sorry bro.When people really want something, they get it done on their own.
>>744454782they call it a "language family" but it's literally just a few hundred Ryukyuan islanders speaking some fucked up pidgin JapaneseThe real fucked up part about Japanese is that it's completely idiomatically divorced from English, none of the set phrases are the same. You can't say "good work" to a Japanese person, you have to say "you're tired" お疲れ様です. You can't say "I have no internet reception" you have to say "the radio waves aren't entering" 電波が入らない. They just have completely different phrases that you can't directly translate between English, so it feels like you have to learn every single phrase from scratch instead of being able to just directly translate the words like a dictionary.I was reading through some youtube comments in Spanish and they're writing things like "Me when I take a shit in the bathtub" using the exact same "me when I..." format that english uses. That's some phraseology you could NEVER replicate in Japanese regardless of translation method.
>>744426659Visual novels are better for being more text heav
日本の女のまんこにザーメンを出せないなら、日本語を勉強するの意味がないです
>>744472031The only jobs you get with an N1 are private school Eikaiwa or IT wageslaveryNavy base translators are always hiring, by the way
>>744470521context
>>744483432you dont get a job just by knowing the language, you get a job by having a 2nd or 3rd language ontop of an already existing skill be it a degree or a trade. Otherwise you're just competeting against native japs for a minimum wage job who can in 99.99999% cases speak better japanese than you
>>744470818*Tokyoites are notoriously shy. Everyone outside of Tokyo will yap your ear off
>>744483693but anon the capital is the only city that matters, think of the hustle and bustle
>>744483065100% true. I can tell you actually study the language because only people who genuinely try to learn it know this struggle.
>>744483065>>744483801realistically none of this matters if you get your brain to understand the japanese as the japanese. If you start to translate then all these problems arise.
>>744483650this. even a college degree in japanology will hardly qualify you for a well paying job. and let me be perfectly clear, i'm talking about a degree that has a clear scientific focus in either literature, politics or economy. it's simply not enough. you need a second degree. do you think you could become a lawyer AND get your japanology degree? i doubt it
>>744483956i know this might sound crazy to you but at some point someone might ask to you translate for them.
>>744484048nta but that's not my fucking job, they can use google translate if they feel like it
>>744483956This has nothing to do with translation or comprehension. This is just about raw knowledge of the phrases used.
>>744484089hey buddy, guess what google translate does
>>744484134Use AI to poorly guess what would be a rough equivalent in another language while losing all nuance in the process.Same with deeptl btw, basically all TL services these days are AIslop.
>>744456401Wanikani is the best for kanji, ignore the haters
>>744484105A japanses person also didnt understand it until they heard it once and it clicked. It being divoiced from english doesnt matter if you just dont bother looking at it through an english lense aka translating
>>744483065Learn Japanese instead of learning Japanese words and attempting to speak English in Japanese.
>>744484272the concept itself is already near impossible for westoids to understand anonwhy do you expect them to actually pull it off?
Japanese is hard to learn because the Japanese learning community is a bunch of autistic gatekeeping fucks peddling false info.
>>744483956>>744484217>Japanese is easy if you just learn JapaneseWow, thanks. Why didn't I think of that.It's almost as if I brought up another European language similar to english where you don't have to worry about learning completely different daily phrases. But now I have seen the truth, I was just being silly. Just learn Japanese! It's really that simple!
>>744484443Correct.
>>744484205If you want to pay a bunch of money for something you can do with just an anki deck for free and way faster then sure
>>744484398>a bunch of autistic gatekeeping fucks peddling false info.This is based tho, more westoids need to be gatekept like this out of other hobbies.
>>744484443>where you don't have to worry about learning completely different daily phrasesyea thats called learning japanese
>>744484398There's no gatekeeping, you can get everything for freeFalse info is the real problem
>>74448439890% of japanese learners are hard stuck on yotsuba. they give you blatantly wrong information
>>744484553god DAMN it
>>744481107>I can't go into too much detailI see you're either a glowie or a spy or a paid troll
>>744484217How similar your TL is to your languages you already know does affect the ease and speed that you require it. It's not just about "translating."
>>744484443Japanese is unironically easy to understand structurally if you know a concatinative programming like Forth.
>>744484602>90% of failures are failures.That's how statistics works.Anyone that actually becomes fluent is not longer a japanese learner, they are just japanese knowers/fluent in the language.
>>744484602it is crazy how many people who are absolute trash are just giving out advice online as if they're not the ones in dire need of guidace. some will even admit to it outright
>>744484675for me it was being a python nignot sure if that's a concatinative one
>>744484679>>90% of failures are failures.wotd 同義反復
>>744483192Why would you want to fuck 3DPD? Are you retarded?
>>744484217Stupidest thing I've ever read. Japanese people do not instantly know everything just by hearing it once. This has nothing to do with translation or thinking with a japanese mindset or whatever pseudo intellectual bs you're try to spew.
>>744484558>you can get everything for freeYeah but which stuff? There are like 3+ ideologies in learning Japanese. It's like the language equivalent of Linux distros.The answers are obviously Cure Dolly and GNU Guix System, but that is besides the point
>>744484808wotp retard
>cure dolly tards still exist in 2026
>>744484858>Japanese people do not instantly know everything just by hearing it once? yes they do. Japanese people live and breath japanese. English people learn words and phrases after hearing them onceGermans, French, Turks, all of them do, because its their language and they understand it in the confines of it
>>744484924Dollykeks are NGMI. Everybody knows this
>>744483693Isn't Tokyo where basically all the young people live? Old people yapping your ear off with no end in sight is probably just the norm anywhere.
>>744484924>Yeah but which stuffbrute force while having fun
>>744484924I have never met someone fluent in Japanese that didn't use absolutely everything available to them. Thinking you can become fluent only using a single source is Dekinai behaviorI don't know any linuxfag worth his salt that isn't running at least two desktops with multiple distros (and windows lmao)
>>744484993They do not. They have to learn just like everybody else. Information is acquired one way and only one way.
>>744481173oh, thank you. I used ai to make tools for me to get rid of all time-wasting, manual labor and now learning is super fun.I really wish I had programming knowledge so I could verify that even if AI-slop, the tools make sense, don't have obviously unintended code and behavior and run as-is in the hypothetical target OS environments so I could share them (assuming there is a slight chance some could make use of it or that my tool had some minor original idea), but unfortunately I don't.
>>744485029Yeah, all the old fucks make a hundred babies in the countryside, and then those babies grow up and move to Tokyo where they get their souls sucked out and they all die alone in their commieblock skyscrapers
>>74448506990% of japanese learning sources are trash, its actually easier to just have cure dolly resources around, do like the first 300 or so kanji of any starter anki deck, then going straight into immersion and brute forcing it until it werks
>>744485069>worth his saltyou should stop using that. it makes you recognizable. i saw you using it on /vr/ the other day and it's giving me the ick when there's anything to your guyses posts makes you seem like actual individuals that exist somewhere. i cannot bear the thought of it
The Japanese do not need to learn Japanese, they have innate ancestral knowledge of all things Japanese passed down through 100 generations of pure Japanese bloodline
>>744424060I actually learned Japanese and can now fairly easily read typical school romcom VNs.Let me tell you there is no secret treasure or diamonds to find. Most of the good VNs are translated.I tried digging deep into vndb's untranslated games, and besides a few obscure fetish titles, it's almost all garbage.
>>744485226It's a generic English phrase dumbass, I've never even used /vr/
>>744485103>he wants to share an help othersyou haven't been part of this community long enough>>744485247see>>744455530
>>744485226HilariousShitpost some more, dekinai-kun, I'm sure n3 is just around the corner if you just shitpost harder
>>744485295fat chance gramps. stop it
>>744485281From my experience literally all "Everything good already got translated bro" fags are just larping at best, literal paid trannylators soft-shilling their slop at worst.
>>744485341
>>744485393this is fucking chinese
>>744485393based as fuck, HAU REIN EEMASU
>>744485467RARGH DIG THE FUCK IN BRO
>>744485069>I don't know any linuxfag worth his salt that isn't running... ...windows.Lmao. You are fine using one thing when said thing isn't dogshit. Guix and to some extent Nix ruin any other distro for people. Everything else is caveman shit.Back to language learning, Cure Dolly is unironically the only decent resource. She isn't perfect ofc; awful mic quality, rants too much and hangs on to metaphors like TRAINS for way too long, but everything else is dogshit.
>>744485103do you like sucking penis, gabriel?
>>744483065>it's completely idiomatically divorced from EnglishThat's not true, they have some of the same sayings, probably because they adapted them from English. 一石二鳥 and probably a bunch of others I can't think of off the top of my head. Also even if they are different idioms, there is nothing confusing or illogical about mentioning tiredness when thanking someone for their work, so it's easy to get used to their idioms (usually). >"Me when I take a shit in the bathtub"I have no clue what the context of this is supposed to be but お風呂にうんこする時の俺
>>744485281I have found mutiple manga in french and german that are really good that havent gotten an english translation, fan or offical
>>744485623she crippled millions
>>744485649that's backwards, The Japanese (I think it's actually chinese) had the phrase 一石二鳥 first, and then the English took it and translated it into "killing two birds with one stone"
>>744485672AJATT will cripple you.
>>744485649nta but yeah, there are some straight translations>>744485759lucky i never did that then eh
The point is I won't bother. I don't use it anyway.
Are there even any Western gamedevs who loved JP vidya so much they learned Japanese? I can only think of Toby Fox
>>744486051mark cerny nigga? maybe you heard of him
>>744424060because weebs who play JRPGs have come to grips with the fact that they will never move to japan like they always dreamed and find their pure virgin waifu tradwife. I don't know a single person who can speak japanese and I have no desire to go there so learning it at all would be a pointless waste of time.
>>744486051>Toby Foxlol i had to look up who that is. gay
>>744486781This anon's been living under a rock for the past decade
>>744487023don't play trashyou should try it sometime
>>744487129There is nothing cool about being ignorant, anon. Hope this helps.
>>744424060I don’t play jrpgs, but I believe God specifically designed Japanese people without the ability to write and that is probably true in their own language as well
>>744487451why you calling me ignorant for? you're the one ignoring the fact that undertale is trash. i feel like i should be the one calling you out
>>744485745It's an English phrase. It didn't come from Chinese, though they have since adapted it.
>>744485654People keep saying most manga never gets translated in any form but who has the time to peel tanks every week?
>>744486051Toby doesn't know Japanese lol
>>744489205His Japanese is actually quite goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5XXbd5NvuQ
>>744483065This is false since a substantial chunk of their vocubalury would’ve been created as they were translating western works during the past century.
>>744486240The people who do go their realize it’s nothing like anime. Almost as if anime is escapist fantasy even for the natives.
>>744484509You haven't tried wanikani if you believe that
>>744484924Wanikani + bunpro + supplementary anki decks
>>744485393Localizers change shit that dont matter. Every example goes something like this>japanese original line folded a million times: I am feeling hunger. I am going to the store to purchase food. I like pizza.>localized: alright guys Im headin out for a pizza run!like yeah its not literal but it doesnt matter.
>>744489845>Localizers change shit that dont matter.Don't look into the history of this shit if you truly believe that.
>>744484924The only one that actually works is 10000 hours of anime
>>744489903Every example ever posted here plays out the same way.
>>744489974anime is worse input than unscripted podcasts for natives or even jdramasand you have to be mentally retarded to not get sick of it way before 10k hours
I didn't do my reps for a week and had 70 words waiting for me on Anki today. Hopefully I learn my lesson this time.
>>744491830
>>744491830I review everyday and still have to do 400 cards everyday. Im cursed with below average memory.
>>744487747why are you pretending to be a retard, nobody sees that and thinks you're cool for it. i know who toby is and i've never played undertale
>>744491876>>744492159
>>744489845>Localizers change shit that dont matter.i have a folder approaching 500 images just to laugh at you with those examples
>>744489384nah he sounds rather bad especially considering that his speech is almost certainly fully scriptedmaybe hes better now but i doubt it
Advanced language learners of any language, how do you start reading harder material? I know Spanish well enough to be decently conversational and understand nearly all of Spanish grammar, but I have a serious vocabulary deficiency. I tried reading some Gabriel García Marquez and I had to look up like every 5th word. Context clues aren’t much help when things are metaphorical or poetic. I am reading to gain more vocab but my lack of vocab is making reading not all that enjoyable. Is the “trick”, or lack thereof, to just power through and mine the unknown words into an Anki deck and grind that? I don’t really see any other way to expand vocab.Forgive me my retardation.
>>744492689That's me but with 雪国.
>>744492689get out of the "learner" mindset. Just fucking read it, you can't remember vocab if youve never seen it
>>744492689>Is the “trick”, or lack thereof, to just power through and mine the unknown words into an Anki deck and grind that? I don’t really see any other way to expand vocab.I would say so, yeah. There's not much you can do other than try media you enjoy and make sure to look up everything you don't know.
>>744492689unironically just brute force it looking up every single thing even if it takes you an hour to read a single page
>>744492489I had to watch this clip twice just to make sure I wasn't somehow missing context but this person seriously responded to a question regarding dub script changes with "I have a vagina"How on earth does someone leap between those two topics and think they sound sane
>>744493278you should be reading easier texts if you have to do this
>>744493546you have no balls if you aren't willing to do that, in just a week of hardcore autism back in the day i went from being a cuck learner to easily understanding 30% of any given shounenslop ep and it only got better from there
>>744460174Mishima's prose is godlike
>>744494001he was a violent chimp faggot so i cant
>>744494105I don't gafLike half of the authors listed by this anon >>744460581 were insufferable leftists but I still love alot of their proseJust that I also think Mishima mogs them still
>>744424060I studied enough to watch animu without subtitles but I refuse to learn the retarded moonrunes. Such a 'writing' ''''''system'''''' has no right to exist and it's 99% of the reason no one wants to learn chink languages. Even arabic is way easier just by virtue of its writing system not being retarded hieroglyphs.
>>744494154maybe youre gay too though
>>744494257seeing kanji filter literal monkeys and various flavors of brownoids is always so funny, especially when it only looks hard but it's fairly easy when you get the hang of it, if anything it's better than the complete shitshow that is the current latin derivatives like westoidese or spic
>>744424060Why would I spend 4 years learning Japanese to play some JRPGs with mediocre story when in that time I could learn French, German and Russian, all of which languages with much more artistic value than Japanese?
>>744494684As soon as France, Germany, and Russia start making 90% of the media I consume, I might consider it.
>>744494419it legitimately sucks for place names and names of people thougheven natives make tons of mistakes and wrong guesses with those
>>744494684because the French, Germans, and Russians don't make anime
>>744494834>>744494856You people still didn't outgrow anime shit? I remember when I was your age and I thought anime was the coolest thing. Thank God I grew up, eventually it will hit you too that anime is all trash aside from some very few exceptions.
>>744495018>he said, on /v/
>>744495018Anon you're on 4chan. You didn't outgrow shit.
>>744495018same i watched a few dozen animes and now i cant stand it more than a couple of shows a yearvns and lns do everything better
>>744494419I am pretty buttmad that I got filtered by Kanji but most of the arguments in favor of them are just straight up cope. They may be cool, I might even dare say sovlful, but they have absolutely no practical benefits over any alphabet/abugida.Now if you'll excuse me I have to go back to reading fucking furigana-laden children's books...
>>744447186Post the card
>>744493647This nigger gets it, it's even more effective if you're reading something you're already very familiar with in English.
>>744484668It's a mundane and quite frankly boring job. I have an NDA but also it's just not very interesting so I'm ashamed to say it.In the first place, is it really so hard to believe that an N1 certificate gets you a salary bonus? You could find job listings right now that say it outright.
Djt dekinai thread >>744424060Why would I waste my time learning a dead language when I can use AI to translate it perfectly
>>744495018Ironically enough I somehow feel the one of the few people that actually got forced to grow up in the west, everyone else looks like manchildren in my eyes.
>>744495604does he know?
>>744492689I learned English by learn basic grammar in school and then brute forced it by watching anime subbed in English googling every word I didn't know and, eventually, started participating in online discussion and watching English speaking YouTubers. This was during the fansub era btw
>>744495234>An entire country should change to accommodate ME, who is doing zero effort whatsoever to learn anything!Or you could stop being a leftoid and just grind that anki or immerse.
>>744495604>when I can use AI to translate it perfectlythe "safety guardrails" on AI sloppa have only gotten worse over the years by the way, and at the point you are doubling or tripling your electricity bill to self-host what is a worse 2010s google translate you really have to reconsider your life choices
>>744495018You still didn't outgrow playing gaymes? How about doing some woodwork, son?
>>744483065>They just have completely different phrases that you can't directly translate between EnglishThis is only a problem for EOPshitters.
I translated an entire 1 song word by word and memorized its kanji, grammar usage and can sing it from memory.Now I need to do this 999 more times and I can speak fluently.
>>744495513I mean that's most people say about their job when they're trying not to attract any attentionIf it's truly a boring job then even a simple explanation for what the job is would suffice, not even asking about any company or governmental secretsBeing a game dev for example isn't the same as leaking the source code for a game, it's literally just a job position that even your parents and friends should know
>>744428727Cure Dolly is a scam.It's all plagiarised from Jay Rubin's book "making sense of japanese, what the textbooks don't tell you".PS - Cure Dolly (and the book it's all stolen from) are not for beginners. It's for intermediate learners who need clarification.
>>744495816I only play games that I feel like are not a waste of time, i.e., games that make your brain work (strategy, management, puzzle) or are highly competitive (fighting).
>>744497173>highly competitive (fighting)Competing on childish games? Haven't you grown out of that yet, sonny?
>>744497329There's nothing childish about fighting games if you can abstract the characters out of their designs and treat them like mere functions, I would go as far as saying it's the purest form of gaming.
>>744497389Gaming is inherently childish, sonny... How about reading a book, going fishing, building a chair and playing some poker?
>looking for games to study>black matrix>has to choose between garbage tier artstyle but more content and endings (AD) or better artstyle but a shit-ton of deleted content (Cross)Fuck my life
>>744496348I know what he's talking about. He's probably some IT wageslave outsourced by a japanese company. Wages there are low enough that an N1 can almost double it.
>>744496680>It's all plagiarised from Jay Rubin's book "making sense of japanese, what the textbooks don't tell you".so? info is info, and its also free from dollyits not a novel or some series, its just information>PS - Cure Dolly (and the book it's all stolen from) are not for beginners. It's for intermediate learners who need clarification.so you mean all learners after they hit the intermediate plateau?
>>744446432Fucking this, holy shit. This is the #1 reason I still need JP subs for anime even after 5+ years, my brain can't keep up trying to decipher the meaning of whatever string of こう, そう, せん etc they throw at me every 5 seconds.
>>744448980I can't hold a conversation because I'm an autistI'll just show them my Schwerbehindertenausweis
>>744424060Already learned japanese, also I don't know who this bitch is. I know Meari and Takeshi though
>>744485393Why do translators love the phrase "rub-a-dub-dub" so much? I never see it in native English media but it appears in Japanese translated media practically every week.
What's the best way to OCR nipspeak when it's not available in text format? It's annoying when I want to look something up but don't know the kanji
>>744496680She has openly said she was inspired by Rubin.>the book... not for beginnersNegro the entire book is in fucking romanji tf you mean not for beginners? Oh no, you need to be misled for months before you can grasp the subtle intricacies of が and は
>>744494684being able to speak german is kino, it sounds so much better than english
>>744496348He's embarrassed to admit that he works in a call center
>>744499312FUCK takeshi, fucking hate that guy
>>744499773And it's very easy compared to Japanese, in a matter of months you'll be almost fluent with a lot of hard work.
>>744497560I already do all that as well.
>>744425918so is anyone gonna sauce or what
>>744424060Bros i started to learn french for personal reasons and it honestly it doesn't look so bad, its like a more retarded english but there are some scummy words in there, can i make it?
>>744499291ドブス一択
>>744480973lol okay*gets a pension refund and moves the business to a country that's not running on fumes*living on an increasingly isolationist island is not smart or cleverpaying taxes out the ass for decades on end only to get nuked in my 70's because Japan went full retard is not ideal>>744481081correct
>>744499048>my brain can't keep up trying to decipher the meaning of whatever string of こう, そう, せん etc they throw at me every 5 seconds.how does this make you feel?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_Iiyo-xvQw
We need to gatekeep languages harder. And not just Japanese, but English too. I'm seeing retards in this thread defend spelling mistakes and being a dumb ESL. (It's fine to be an ESL just not a dumb one.)
>>744503276>We need to gatekeep languages harder.>It's fine to be an ESLmake up your mind
>>744503276japanese is already gatekept welleven among all the hardcore learners on 4chan very few if any will ever make it anywhere near native level in their lives
>>744503359>"we shouldn't let EVERYONE immigrate to our country, only decent people who have proven they're not going to become ubereats drivers or toilet cleaners">"do you want immigrants or not?! make up your mind!!"Is the world black and white to you?
>>744503542...what?
>>744483065>That's some phraseology you could NEVER replicate in Japanese regardless of translation method.What's stopping you from using「...の私」? That has basically equivalent meaning to "Me when...", you just use it at the end of a phrase instead of the beginning.>>744485649Yeah, you're thinking along the same lines I'd drop the 時 though as I feel it's overly literal and deflates the impact of the idiom.
>>744503637
>>744484398>Japanese learning community is a bunch of autistic gatekeepingJapanese learning does attract a bunch of weirdos, but it also has absolutely crazy good resources compared to basically any other language from English because of how much autism has gone into figuring out how to effectively learn the language that produces so much stuff that internet users love the fuck out of.
>>744503797Most of those resources are totally worthless. As with every language, all you need is a basic grasp of grammar and knowledge of how to read.
>>744503276>I'm seeing retards in this thread [...] being a dumb ESLlol, nice grammar shitskin>It's fine to be an ESLNo it isn't, get off our internet and kill yourself
>>744504389>Most of those resources are totally worthlessThat's absolute bullshit>and knowledge of how to read.That's where the resources come in hard. Learning Kanji as a gaijin can involve minimal effort if you use the right techniques.
>>744504637It's >I'm seeing retards in this thread *defend* [...] being a dumb ESLDid you seriously just omit words from my post when quoting me to intentionally misinterpret me?
>>744503492Japanese is perfectly learnable nowadays if you have someone to steer you towards decent resources most of the good stuff is JJ and you simply won't be able to tell what's good on your own for a very very long timeand yeah unfortunately you're gonna have to be able to speak (or at least understand) some serious Japanese before you can even use the good resourceshaving said that, don't expect to git gud if you're over 20 unless you're prepared to give up on everything else (employment, education, hobbies etc) for an indefinite amount of time
>>744504929sure you can reach a decent level but my point is almost nobody reaches anything close to nativethe vast majority of learners never even make it past n1 and that's still a very low level in the grand scheme of things (despite being enough to mostly enjoy a lot of media)
for reference even self reports (which are always generous) from n1 holders look pretty grim
>>744505125I was almost definitely a "14" back when I had freshly passed JLPT1
>>744505824 was meant for >>744505530
>>744447186Is that freaking koikatsu? I need the card now.
/v/-bros, help me out.I want to play visual novels. My oral Japanese level is pretty decent, I can speak and understand spoken Japanese pretty good, but my kanji game is shit.Are there any VNs with fully voiced lines (including the MC's thoughts)?
>>744508154uh learn kanji
>>744508154literally just play vns and make anki cards for everything you cant read
>>7445055306 or 7on a good day
>>744508154>I want to play visual novelslol why>My oral Japanese level is pretty decentnot as good as you think bc>I [...] understand spoken Japanese pretty goodyou barely know english and>my kanji game is shitthat means your japanese is shit
Why don't the Japanese switch to the Latin alphabet? All the complexity of the language lies in these damned hieroglyphs and nothing else.
>Passed N1 last year>Lost interest in most videogames>Read bunkobon/ebooks on the bus/train>Watch normie japanese tv programmes about news and travel
>>744508861>Lost interest in most videogamesit's called gowing the fuck up
>>744508154I will never understand the >my spoken japanese is great because I watched anime with English subs line of thinking. That is literally not possible unless you lived in the country, and even then, I don't see how you could get to a decent level without being able to look things up in japanese.
>>744504925>esl still can't see his own glaring grammatical errorPathetic
>>744508928>don't see how you could get to a decent level without being able to look things up in japaneseyou can't. people like that have no idea just how trash they really are
>>744424060Most Japanese games don't have good writing. If the official translation is wokeslop, just use ML.
>>744508154Read manga with furigana
>Excited to finally be able to read VNs in Japanese>Experience Nasu's vomit tier purple prose
>>744509195It's insane how much /jp/vn shills VNs with garbage tier writing just because they're untranslated, my fault for trusting them in the first place I guess.
Why don't Japanese people use spaces? How do they know when a word is finished?
>>744509297could read a real book instead ever thought of that?
>>744508861it's not gonna get betterunless video games actually get better of course
>>744509298kanji are like delimiters
>>744508967Alright lil' bro, I see your issue. You read it as >I'm seeing retards in this thread (defend spelling mistakes) and (being a dumb ESL).Even though it was >I'm seeing retards in this thread defend (spelling mistakes) and (being a dumb ESL).Ergo, people were "defending" being a dumb ESL, not "being" dumb ESLs themselves. It's a simple mistake to make, I forgive you. Unless you were just doubling down on being dumb out of embarrassment, then I won't.
>>744424060I can mostly understand Japanese now, so I switched to Chinese dubs. I may as well be learning a language. I am in the state where I recognize common words and phrases and see how they are placed together in different ways. All proper nouns sound like gibberish to me and sometimes I can't separate one word from another when they speak too fast.
>>744510137>nukemarineo7
>>744509298You get a feel of things due to how the language is structured you just "know".Also due to how their grammar works, a single sentence spanning a paragraph and half on extreme cases without any spaces or commas doesn't feel weird, but you basically have to "think" in japanese for it to not feel weird.
Japanese Is a pain in the ass and learning it doesn't get you asian pussy. Completely useless.
>>744510693it does if you move to japanor well it helps then but its not necessary
>>744510137>I can mostly understand one of the hardest languages in the world so I switched to this other equally hard languageDamn bro, you dun cracked the code
>>744509995It's more like kana are the delimiters and kanji is the basic script.
>>744510769nukemarine he one of the goats
>>744508861I've seen you post this larp before. What do you gain by lying on the internet >>744505530
>>744510850https://youtu.be/gewVqZGpwQA?t=15>dakanaito...dakanaito....
>>744510957
>>744511026Sorry, I thought this was the /djv/
>open dic>細かい点にまでこだわって、自分の好みや美意識を追求する。>にまで I will never get word order
>>744511774That looks like a Shin Mekai definition. That dictionary's definitions are pretty quirky and idiomatic. I wouldn't really reference those when looking things up.>I will never get word orderWhat? にまで? に = to まで = even, so it means "even to [a certain point/extent]"
>>744511774にまで extending to that (highest) degreeまでに until, by that point
>>744512096or not "until" just "by, by that point"
>>744511774what is there to "get"?
>>744512271when to use まで vs までに vs にまで obviously
>>744512158Don't second guess yourself. "Until" is also a proper interpretation of までに.>>744512312You should should understand what these two particles literally mean, though the other anon properly delineated them.
>>744512312focus on understanding first and the rest comes naturalyou cant produce correct japanese if you cant even understand the nuances (which you should just pick up through tons of input like natives do
>>744511774particle priority has some nuanceit's easy to understand when you learn particles separately, like まで and に, instead of にまで and までにat first it sounds like you are making things pointlessly complicated instead of learning words directly, but it gives you far better etymology understanding in the long run, especially with how many connectors, "sayings" and even some conjugations are just 2-3 microparticles glued together
>>744512560I'm still mad nobody ever properly explained combinations like との and への to me back in the day.
>>744512664If you're a beginner that's considered stuff for intermediates and thus not explained.If you're intermediate then you're assumed to already know them.
>>744512052>>744512560I get stumped by the simplest thing because they glue them with such density. One suggestion was to take the time to take things apart until it becomes transparent but it's like groping at fog>ろくに自分の考えもなしにやってきたってしかたがないではないか。>ろくに / 自分の考え / も / なし / に / やってきた / って / しかたがない / ではない / か I'm that guy. I feel like looking at hieroglyphs. Because yeah, so much is "just" about making things (verbs/clauses/adjectives) into nouns and remembering the Verb/Noun/Adj links rule, but they pile up like three in four kanas.
>>744512940No truer words have ever been spoken.
kinda crazy how bad the Japanese are at teaching their own languagemost professional tutors are hopeless now imagine asking a random ippanjin anything lol
>>744513091I wouldn't feel too bad. That example is actually a pretty complex construction. I think the biggest thing to recognize that is both natives and experienced speakers look at these sentences with a degree of familiarity, so they're not actually "figuring them out" so much as they're just recognizing larger chunks and inferring the already understood meaning.For instance, an experienced reader looks at the sentence like this:>ろくに自分の考えもなしに>without any worthwhile thoughts of one's own>やってきたって>coming here>しかたがないではないか>there's no point, right?Notice the first clause is the most complex, both in English and Japanese, and it's the part that requires the most contextual consideration from the reader.
>>744513313They just never consider what any of their words mean outside of the context of people who already know the language. It's such an insulated culture that the idea of people learning Japanese becomes a "lol good luck" kind of thing to them.
>>744513313>>744513619It's mostly that westoidese (english) is such brain poison due to it's dogshit grammar consistency (basically none) that 95% of japanese language tutoring is unfucking the anglo brain into actually thinking in japanese.
>>744513661English has a lot of consistency in its grammar, but it's all based on prepositions, helping verbs, and various constructions, so it's very complex compared to Japanese. One particle in Japanese could translate into 6 or 7 different prepositions, so the English speaker has to always be aware of the context for which they're used.
>>744513313>>744513619Imo the language is full of unspoken scope restrictions that are required for fluency, to the point they all ingrain these intuitively by the time they hit formal education so that nobody bothered writing them down. Just things like "this can or cannot be used raw to end a sentence" is seldom written down because it's obvious to them.
>>744513858I guess that's what I meant by>They just never consider what any of their words mean outside of the context of people who already know the languagea lot of the grammar rules are built on the assumption that you already understand the speaker's intention. Same could be said about any language, but in Japanese, the definitions in the dictionary are rarely helpful. This is why early scholars recommended reading the Bible in side by side in both languages, essentially acting as a Rosetta Stone for the more harder-to-intuit rules.
>>744514117>in Japanese, the definitions in the dictionary are rarely helpful.I have not felt thatdid you mean Japanese-English dictionaries? because those are kinda fucking useless a lot of the time
>>744514283>did you mean Japanese-English dictionaries? because those are kinda fucking useless a lot of the time"kinda fucking useless" is saying it lightly, it's closed to "literally maliciously wrong"
>>744514348dude たかが is an adverb, trust me broand 綺麗 is an adjective, it just doesn't behave like one in any circumstances
>>744514283J-E, obviously. It goes without saying why a Japanese dictionary wouldn't provide much help to a learner.
>>744514696Is this a troll? たかが is an adverb (副詞) and 綺麗 is a な adjective (形容動詞).
>あんなことがあったのに、手紙も出ず、踊の型の本など送るという約束も果たさず、女からすれば笑って忘れられたとしか思えないだろうから、まず島村の方から詫びがいいわけを言わねばならい順序だったが、顔を見ないで歩いているうちにも、彼女は彼を責めるどころか、体いっぱいになつかしさを感じていることが知れるので、彼は尚更、どんなことを言ったにしても、その言葉は自分の方が不真面目だという響きしか持たぬだろうと思って、何か彼女に気押される甘い喜びにつつまれていたが、階段の上まで来ると、「こいつが一番よく君を覚えていたよ」と、人差し指だけ伸ばした左手の握り拳を、いきなり女の目の前に突き付けた。Holy shit does Japanese not a concept of "run on sentence?" I've seen worse in games but those felt like deliberate shit because someone was freaking out or something
>>744428298Just download your anime bro
>>744515436shitty writing exists in every language
>>744515436>>744492878Snow Country anon, you're back!
>>744515717Yeah, I decided to get through it once and for all even if it takes a month for such a short novel.
>>744515783Based. 頑張ってな
bump limit thread of advice and walls of textzero vocaroos of people speaking japanese to prove their proficiency business as usual ig
>>744515839Vocaroos are for people who suck ass at Japanese.
>>744515839we lead by example here right? can't wait for your vocaroo demonstration anon
>>744515976theyre for people who can speak the language to some degree and dont live in anki cards made from """hard to read""" porn games>>744516046im not giving any advice
>>744516082They're for anyone who has a microphone and wants to read from a script. They demonstrate no skill, other than pronunciation I guess.
>>744516204you can tell a lot about someones level from how they read a script even with infinite takes
>>744516204yeah what this >>744516354 guy said, go open up a game and practice right now for a few tries and listen to yourself back the results may shock you :O
>>744516354You can tell more from the advice they're giving and how much knowledge they demonstrate on the topic.
>>744516480no you stupid ass nigga. who would you take football advice from lionel messi or the commentator. who would you take financial tips from jeffrey epstein or a homeless dude. are u getting it yet
>>744516480meh why not bothpersonally i think all this advice giving etc is retarded anyway because its obvious all you need is tons of input and output experience but its fun to shitpost i guesswanting to convince random gay anons is a futile endeavour
>>744516539If the Lionel Messi of Japanese was confirmed for having given advice on here, then I could understand your point, but that can't be determined by a single vocaroo. We're all essentially the homeless dude until we dox ourselves.
>>744516660It's just people sharing their opinions and discoveries they've obtained on their Japanese journey. Everyone's free to tell others how they personally conquered the mountain.
>>744516705well yes thats what im saying this thread is full of, and always will be full of, gay niggers at the peak of dunning kruger>>744516747no its poisining fresh blooded japenese hopeful tards that dont know any better. fuck off
>>744516786It's not poisoning anything. Everyone's free to take the advice or ignore it.
>>744516747sure but even if someone claims to be good the objectively smartest thing to do is assume they are worse than they claim/think they are until you see proof otherwise
>>744516826take my chinchin up ur ass nigga, stfu and get back to ur anki cards
>>744516839I think better than that is to consider whether or not their advice is good based on the content of what they say.>>744516883DJT losers gtfo
>>744516953and how exactly are you supposed to determine if someone is good or not if you dont know that much yourself. oh maybe you could record a voice clip of you speaking with another native speaker easy.but no we got walls of text and this exact same thread for decades instead
>>744516953but the people who need the advice wont be able to tell if it's good or not yet they would be able to tell if someone in a vocaroo is better than them or not
>>744517037I don't know, ask yourself if what they're saying sounds logical and try it yourself? >>744517060They wouldn't be able to do that either.
>>744517115you can at any stage tell if another foreigner is better than you or not at reading out loud if you hear them reading out loud and you have access to the text yourself
>>744517115retardliteral fucken brick walli got baited ggs, closing this thread and gonna watch an ep of unsubbed anime in protest
>>744517263You cannot. People in here think Toby Fox knows Japanese because he read aloud some script one time.>>744517308Best of luck to your whitenoising. それから多くの日本語を学べますように
>>744517412if someone thinks that about toby fox based on that clip that means they recognise he is better than them (or at least similar depending on the degree to which they identify themselves as knowing japanese)
>>744517526Most people will be better than a beginner. It's natural to think anyone is better than someone who's just starting out, looking for advice.
>>744517581but then at least it is guaranteed that their advice is likely to get you to their level if not morethen you could repeat the process this time more educated the next time around and therefore more able to discern someones level
>>744517793Anyone's advice is guaranteed to get you to anyone's level. Follow the advice of the guy recommending mining anime and you'll one day be mining anime like him.
>>744517917ok now you're not even trying to make a pointi'll leave the conversation now
>>744517957Really? I thought I made it pretty clear. There's no way to determine someone's level outside of assessing what the person says, so take everything with a grain of salt.
>>744517917lol yeah. oh boy i sure wanna be pausing k on every 5 seconds >>744426782 and posting walls of pompous asshit in english on 4chan v >>744447623
>>744518123How else are you gonna learn it? Osmosis? lol
can dis thread die already plz btw. i almost finished my anime ep
>>744518182I thought you said you were closing the tab? lol
gay
>>744518220i reopened it on my phone cuz this scene boring ah hell.
>>744518269So you lied then, okay.
>>744518172by derailing threads on 4chan :3
>>744518303no i didnt. nobody would ever lie on the internet
>>744518315What if you've actually been talking to.......ME THE WHOLE TIME LIL ROMI AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH GET FUCKED IDIOT
>>744518269anime sucks
Oh yeah I win this one lmfaoMy thread baby
nah, I win
Nope my thread my win
I'm pretty sure I win this one B-)
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