>Morally impossible
Total Ghoul Death
>>744509635> trans metaphor
>>744509635How exactly does one enforce rights without any kind of government in place? Cause I got more guns and Ghouls can FOAD.
>>744509635Bro never recovered from that video
>>744509743This. Mfkas thinks the Odyssey is the one.....Every masterpiece has its cheap copy...
You can just help ghouls storm the Tower tho.
>>744509913>4tranny arrows outside 4trannyembarrassing
>>744509635>Immediately kill Roy and his gang>Arm the nuke and blow up megaton>Live comfortably with the elites
>let the ghouls in>assassinate Roy from stealth before he gets there>the scripting breaks, the residents live and the other ghouls move in without issueMaybe the real lesson is dealing with instigators of violence instead of just labelling everyone a problem
>>744510290No anon, ghouls all eventually turn feral, better to wipe them out now before they become a problem in the future
>>744509784Both 3 and New Vegas are shallow theme parks with a post-apocalyptic aesthetic slapped on top of modern socio-political sensibilities.
Tenpenny Tower has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. The wasteland is not going to be the monolithic society that it once was in the last centuries. Ghouls are going to be at the center of that.
>One leader wants to nuke an entire city for fun>The other wants to genocide and entire population because he's racist>The normal people from both factions just want to live comfortably and are a peaceful and niceI see the solution as pretty straightforward.
>>744510340>ghouls all eventually turn feralExcept all those ghouls you find who have been okay for decades I guess
>>744510440>eventually
>>744510435Be fair to him, Tenpenny did ask Burke to convince the people of Megaton to leave because he wasn't a psychopath who valued the brief entertainment of the bomb going off over all the lives of the people living there. He's just the sort of idiot who put zero effort into making sure Burke actually did it before setting the bomb off.
>>744510440>decadescenturies*You've got ghouls in just about every game who have been around since before the bombs fell.Fallout is a retarded franchise.
>>744510435>An entire cityIt's like 6 shacks and 8 people, Megaton deserves to be nuked with its sheer incompetence of failing to become a bigger player in the wasteland
>>744510435>>One leader wants to nuke an entire city for funIt's not for fun, it's because he thinks it's a fucking eyesore, which Megaton is.The real issue is that his "top guy" is actually more comedically evil than he is and actively wants everyone in Megaton to die in the nuke.
>>744510534Let's not forget them building around a NUCLEAR WARHEAD in the first place
>>744510572It's aesthetic.
what kind of retard builds a city around a nuclear bomb?
>>744510534>It's like 6 shacks and 8 peopleIn NV the NCR has a "farm" consisting of like 3 beds that keps the entire wasteland fed. Video games have this neat little thing called "abstraction". Crazy concept, I know.
>Muh tranniesYou are all retarded. This whole quest is an allusion to class struggle, and Roy is clearly the morally correct choice.>B-but if you let him in he kills everyone...It's obvious that he was angered by the local rich pedophiles at some point.If you choose Tenpenny side unironically you are a goycattle.
>>744510642>>744510534Also this is the entire Las Vegas strip.
>>744510639Aren't the Megaton people descendants of the people left behind outside the vault?They probably had some form of brain damage, and at this point it'd be just too much work to leave now.
>>744510440Ghouls also leak radiation and are constantly dripping bodily fluids. And they do go feral no matter what. Most ghouls have been ghouls for centuries, they are all on limited time. If ghouls were real you would not be their friend. Because if you did, you would die. Stop being an annoying retard just because it is easy. You have the potential to be more than what you are.
>>744510728Bold of you to assume that the bourgeoise would vote to kill their own.
>>744510728Tenpenny really looks like an older Jeffrey
>>744510837Bourgeoisie or proletariat, they're all goyim in the end
>>744510537After dealing with the locals I dont blame him. Half of them are retards worshipping a fucking bomb. The other half are people dumb enough to live next to a bomb. The republic of dave is smarter than them
>Karma>Goodstill makes me laugh
>>744510465>>744510826Even in Bethesda "lore" there's zero evidence any ghoul has turned feral from old age. And if they've survived centuries without turning feral then they've done a lot better than the average human has.>all humans eventually go feral! their brains turn to mush! everyone gets dementia at some stage!That's how you sound
What would the tower look like if it was ruled by the other Tenpenny?
>>744510642>In NV the NCR has a "farm" consisting of like 3 beds that keps the entire wasteland fedThe Sharecropper farm supplies McCarran and nowhere else. Vegas has to pay to have food imported. It also has more crops in greenhouses than Megaton has people.
>>744511002Picrel is literally Roy.
>>744509635>we've got rightsAlways confused by this, what rights exactly? It's a wasteland, you take what you can take, you hold what you can hold. If Roy and his gang took the tower then fair, but acting like they've got some right to it is a little crazy.Also, isn't there a Ghoul underworld they could have all gone and lived in comfort? Why were they holding out in the sewers complaining about being owed a place in the tower?
It was fun to slaughter the zombie freaks
>>744511079Sharecropper farm feeds every NCR military camp, not just McCarran.
>kill the two ghoul guys>put a collar on Bessie and add her to my haremI don't know why I'm so horny for Fallout 3/NV ghouls. Originals and 4 do nothing for me.
>>744510981>posting the racist versionfuck off
>>744511002Smooth and skinny.
Ghouls are humans no different from you or me, just with severe burns on their skin. There's absolutely no logical reason not to let them live with us in the tower.
>>744511182these people can't be real
>>744511261The reason is I can permit or deny entry to whomever I want on my own goddamn property. Fuck off.
>>744509635>Applying current moralsTenpenny Tower is in the right>Applying wasteland moralsBoth are in the right
>>744511002>This is a plasma pistol, Mister Burke, that was used to gun down a wastelander not ten minutes ago. Sheriff Simms. A fine man, I might add. You work fast, vault dwella.
>>744511323>my own goddamn propertyYour property only exists for as much as you're able to defend it. If you can't, you have no right to it.
>>744511135>Also, isn't there a Ghoul underworld they could have all gone and lived in comfort? Why were they holding out in the sewers complaining about being owed a place in the tower?Convincing them to go to Underworld should have been an option, yeah. It wouldn't be hard to make a mod for this.
>>744509913>Search "Tenpenny tower">There are like 10 videos directly shitting on this onewow I don't watch these gay video essays so I have to ask, is this a normal thing to occur??? more videos spawning off one retarded one like a hydra?
>>744511424Sorry sweaty but fallout is an intellectual property that functions off modern moral frameworks such as intersectionality and anti-slavery humanism. By said framework Tenpenny is an original settler and thus a native, deposition of whom is considered imperialism.
The moral thing is to not do the questline and snipe Tenpenny when he's on his balcony.Let the ghouls sit and rot in their hole in the ground, who gives a fuck about them. If they won't move on to make a better life elsewhere, they don't deserve help.
>>744511483these are professional yappers and yap consumers. the people who watch these videos literally cannot eat a meal without a yap video in the background. they think the funniest thing is rambling about a 90s cartoon for eight hours and titling it "a brief retrospective".some people are just like this
>>744511135Roy wouldn't give a shit about some ghoul underworld because he wouldn't be in charge there
>>744510340The games stick pretty hard to the notion that turning feral only happens to ghouls who don't have frequent social interactions, or a goal to keep their mind stimulated. It's like Alzheimer's or dementia.
>>744511483I've not seen this for a while to be honest, that original video seems to have pissed a lot of people off. I haven't seen a classic response video like this for years desu
>>744511549This is how I feel about Native American reservations. If a person is actually dumb enough to stay on one, that's on them.
>>744511424this logic only applies as long as you don't whine about socio-economic factors
>>744509635they behave exactly like muslims, give them just the slightest inch and they will take over the whole place
>>744511483Kind off but not on this level, usually it's two guys debating a point until a 3rd guy calls them both retarded disingenious(i can't spell) assholes.In this case, the guy was such a performative bleeding heart with weak arguments that every Fallout 3 fan with a youtube channel made a video calling him a faggot.
The only shit part of the quest is that you can't resolve it by killing just Roy even though he's the sole mastermind manipulating the other two ghouls into his power grab. Killing just him and having Bessie and Michael fuck off to underworld would haave been a completely plausible conclusion.
>>744511483Every decent view count essay always has like two or three contrarian/grifting spergs hanging off it like reply girls of old, but this one was particularly bad.
>>744511483Yep, that’s regular MO for Youtube talking heads. Especially political yappers couldn’t survive a week if they dosn’t have ”enemies” to respond to, but even in less spicy matters, people really like to piggyback on any video / subject that raises discussion, because that’s an easy way to get views.
>>744511707Bessie and Michael are completely in with Roy's plan tho, like he's not manipulating them, they know what his plan is and are going through with it.
>>744511707You forget the writing team at Bethesda are monkeys with typewriters and I dunno if the shortbus king Emil was leading them back then.
>>744510837Haha, yeah, wouldn't THAT be crazy!
67 replies in just an hourWhy
>give out too many bottles of water>an unknown person hires mercenaries to kill you>the mercenaries are not just mercs, they are vaguely pro-evil and want to kill you for being good>they have one named NPC who you cannot talk toshitting on bethesda is a meme but they deserved even worse
This entire quest is an example of shit Bethesda writing >it’s supposed to be about opposing the rich But you can negotiate a peaceful deal among Tenpenny, the tenants and Roy and the ghouls backstab them anyways for basically no good reason >it’s supposed to be redpilled/a deconstruction Then why do you get bad karma for killing Roy, even after they kill all the tenants abs good karma for killing Tenpenny How are any of these people even rich? Do they actually own or produce anything or did they just literally hoard a ton of bottlecaps?
>>744511982Because Roy did nothing wrong. Total smoothskin genocide.
>>744511182>Look how easy it is to convey the exact same message and not be a racist assholeThis faggy ass comment fucking kills me... Like, yeah you completely took out all the jokes in the process. It was meant to be funny
>>744512005>How are any of these people even rich? Do they actually own or produce anything or did they just literally hoard a ton of bottlecaps?Rich merchants apparently, and that one dude who used to be a wasteland adventurer.It's really flimsy because every Fallout 3 town is too separated and not explained 3nough to actually feel like a full place.
>>744511982Posts with content that is subtly political will always do well
>>744510340>ghouls all eventually turn feralNo they don't. Not even a majority of them go feral, seeing as most are perfectly fine in FO2 which is well after the war. Also Bethesda Fallout flanderizes feral ghouls, they're weak pathetic creatures that can't even run.A ghoul 'going feral' can be beaten down by a regular guy with some brass knuckles.
>>744512273>eventually
>arguing about Bethesda's shit writinglol
>>744512368Eventually a lot of regular people go insane too, what's your point?At least when a ghoul goes nuts, you can just jog away because they canonically can't run.
>>744512273Did you play F4? Ghouls are very fast, and they will leap at you from nasty distances and rip your arm off with 1 hit.
>>744512430> you play F4? Ghouls are very fast, and they will leap at you from nasty distances and rip your arm off with 1 hitSo they aren't ghouls? Ghouls can't run.
>>744512005>Then why do you get bad karma for killing Roy, even after they kill all the tenantsIs there any character whose evil/good alignment changes depending on the events of the game? ie is there a character you can kill at one point and get bad karma, but good karma if you kill them after they've committed evil
>>744512145
>>744512005>Then why do you get bad karma for killing RoyYou don't get any karma changes if you murder someone in their sleep using the Mr. Sandman perk, making it the true neutral choice.
>>744509913>talk tenpenny into becoming more liberal>"oh i mean why not we should help those people" >continues to nuke a city very cool
>>744512571>I've cleaned up most of the comments>And by that I mean censorship>Lmao fuck youI envy the day the first ammendment applies to 'private companies', that's going to be fun.
>>744512643It shouldn't. But, in that same vein, companies that do police speech deserve to face consequence financially and criminally for anything left on their clearly moderated site.
>>744512775Absolutely, if you're a publisher, you're responsible for even a single illegal message.
>>744509635I like how the entire internet came together to shit on the sjw cuck that made this video
>>744509635The only morally interesting choice in Fallout 3 is the one in The Pitt
>>744511483In the olden days of youtube you could make a "video response" and it'd show up right below the description or something. But it probably wasn't as bad as it is now, surprisingly, mostly people making 30 second bad quality clips looking directly into the camera.
>>744512775that's how it is, but since it's impossible to moderate in real time, judges are satisfied as long as a reasonable effort was taken to remove illegal speech
>>744513150>Meanwhile leftists on reddit spam subreddits they don't like with CP to get them shut down>Nobody seems to ask where they sourced all of the CP and why they have it on-hand...
>>744509635Rights aren't things that can be given or taken away.If they can, they aren't rights.
>>744512975Yeah I remember that. Hoes used to use those to bait in paypigs before Twitch became a thing.
>RACISM IS.... LE JUSTIFIEDis todd a chud?
>>744513185Sidenote, but what has happened to NSFW Reddit still makes me mad>Most porn subreddits are just self-posting e-whores advertsing their Onlyfans>Any NSFW subreddits that aren't self-posting have their mod teams banned, and then are banned for being "unmoderated"I miss r/breastenvy, r/ohlympics, and a bunch of others.
>>744513316>Ass/Breast expansion morph subreddits turbo banned>SPH subreddits are just dickpics of random people for some fucking reason>Futa morph subreddits also GIGA banned lmaoYou know it's awfully weird that they love chicks with dicks, just not when they're actual women photoshopped...
ghouls are filthy decomposing schizos liable to chimp out at literally any moment due to brain deterioration making them both disgusting and dangerous, roy phillips being the mentally damaged cunt he is cant see it from their perspective and wants to enact 'gibs me dat'.They should just stay in the metro, its cooler in there anyway. IRL youd take a few members of the tower, train them to use firearms and wipe the ghouls out because they are too close for comfort. If I were in the ghouls shoes and wanted peace I'd leave and fine anywhere else, perhaps underworld.
>>744513370r/progressivegrowth2 is still up. r/2busty2hide is on borrowed time, but also still up. r/celebswithbigtits getting banned was a real headscratcher.
>>744513419>ghouls are filthy decomposing schizos liable to chimp out at literally any moment due to brain deteriorationThey canonically do smell bad, but they don't just go crazy randomly.
The Tenpenny Tower quest is indicative of a world view of the writer, which is most commonly found with Communists and resentful Third Worlders. There is a pristine tower in the middle of nowhere, full of rich people, who don't work, have no property or investments. The tower has no domestic workers, only rich residents. It has no food, no maintenance crew, no servants. This is the world view of people, who believe that succesful nations just happen to live on "magical dirt". Good neighborhoods aren't good, because of the people living within them. They just happen to have magic dirt, which makes the neighborhood nice to live in, devoid of littering, petty criminals and magically keeps all of the buildings in pristine condition and the gardens well maintained.This is the exact mindset of whoever wrote this quest. People just don't want to share their magical tower, where everything is great, with other people.
>>744510290>they don't murder everyone if you break the questProbably sounded better in your head.
>>744509635doesnt that ghoul's argument work both ways? >you guys will never have rights and if you wont leave I'll kill you all
>>744513429Neato but those aren't the sort of flawless photoshopped goddesses that used to be in subreddits. Real women are gross unless they've had hours of photoshopping lmao.
>>744510435Tempenny doesn't even want to nuke Megaton btw, that's something Burke takes upon himself because he's a schizo and even Tempenny's like "what the fuck" but rolls with it because ultimately he doesn't care about the town that much.
>>744513429reddit operates not on principles, but on herd mentality, so the basis on moderation decisions is "what feels right at the moment". but how do you even know all of those subreddits, you fucking redditors
>>744513486>killing the guy trying to break into your house is the same as the guy breaking into your house killing you
>>744513545>but how do you even know all of those subreddits, you fucking redditorsI like hot women. I only use Reddit for porn. These days, I barely even open Reddit anymore for the reasons I've stated.
>>744513440but isn't it eventually guaranteed? I was under the assumption the radiation would eventually render them feral as it destroys their brain. But still there is no way you could live with them with the smell, a decaying corpse is the worst smell. Unless their decay isn't as pungent as if it was aggressive decay they would have fallen apart within a few weeks, if they can walk around for 200 years then maybe the smell isnt AS bad. Maybe under special circumstance where they shown signs of being healthy and dont reek they could live with people, like gob.
>>744509635kill both, rich fags AND ghouls.simple as.
>Tenpenny shoots at random people!>There is not a single example of him shooting anyone in the entire gameLmao
>>744513419yeah why don't they just fuck off back to some radioactive dump, radioactivity supposedly heals them anyway
>>744509635>>744509913>My Character during a good karma playthrough
>>744513640>but isn't it eventually guaranteed?No, not a single time is that ever actually proven. Nor do we see a single ghoul 'go feral', ever.>Unless their decay isn't as pungent as if it was aggressive decayIt seems to be dependent on the ghoul in question, some utterly REEK so bad that they are covered in a thick layer of flies, others seem to not bother anybody. Keep in mind ghouls are not literally rotting, they're more-so deteriorated.
>>744509635On one hand, the ending to "good" outcome is interesting.But I think that's by accident, given how stupid almost everything else in the game is.
>>744510537>it's because he thinks it's a fucking eyesore, which Megaton isYou can barely distinguish Megaton from the entire rest of the wasteland. The city is in this pic, and you cannot tell unless you know exactly what to look for.
Unless the answer is >>744510401 , how exactly are people in the TT rich? Are they traders who made enough caps to retire? And how does it even work, it's a tower in the middle of nowhere. It would only make sense if they were old money but when the bombs fell, the whole society got reset, right?So who are they, how are they so rich and how does any sort of economy work? Genuine questions, I played it back when GOTY edition came out on PS3 and only vaguely remember it.
>>744513568it'll be his house.
>>744509913The Tenpenny tower quest is the most fucked up thing Bethesda made because the "villains" are 100% in the right yet the karma system acts like they have a moral responsibility to allow themselves to be genocided.
>>744510401All Fallout games are shallow theme parks
>>744513673isn't there a trainyard not too far away from tenpenny? in fact isn't that one of the ways to get to their tunnel, I cant remember. I think that metro station is accessible from both that tunnel and the trainyard which is radioactive on the surface making it one of the better locations for ghouls. They have both the subterranean lair where they are safe from the surface hazards and when they need to ''heal'' can soak up the sun and radiation in the fenced off train yard which has feral ghouls for added security. Basically Roy is an idiot and only wants tenpenny towers because they have told him ''no'' due to them being a bio hazard. Roy is behaving like my BPD ex.
>>744513775>So who are theyNobody, except for Dashwood who was an adventurer/merc back in the day>how are they so rich Aside from Dashwood living off of money he made when he was younger, there is no reason>and how does any sort of economy workIt doesn't. The entire setting canonically has not seen rain in 200 years, there's no biosphere, everyone should've been dead over 150 years ago yet somehow they're all in prime health.
>>744513525>Burke what the fuck? I mean sure, Megaton was an eyesore but that doesn't mean I wanted to nuke it! What? Jesus if I wanted to see a fireworks I'd pay someone to shoot bunch of Fat Mans or something got dammit Burke you're an actual psychopath.
>>744513775It’s one of those cases where Bethesda just stopped thinking about how things actually work, beyond ”here’s rich guys in a tower protected by a heavily armed security team”.And while I still like Fallout 3 as a theme park experience, it’s absolutely full of settlements that make no fucking sense and couldn’t survive a day under siege. Even if they just added some more visible trader activity, some small farms outside settlements, whatever, it would go a long way making it more believable.
>>744513737Then there could be a vetting process for ghouls on a case by case basis, useful ghouls can be allowed as some of them will have valuable skills if they have been alive for over 200 years then the others who stink and are liable to become feral can be turned away. But ultimately it is up to the settlement to decide whether or not they need additional people, but Roy cannot be justified in mass slaughter.
>>744513316>>744513429reddit is a publicly traded company so they can't have reposted amateur porn which might be shared without consent. and that's without even getting into the copyright issue - porn is increasingly being protected by legal claims. entire companies work for OF girls to take down their paid content 2busty2hide survives because it's just clothed social media photos
>>744511182>the ghould are the oppressedthey were just told they are not allowed in one building...
>>744513930Bethesda fallouts insist upon towns with no actual defenses of any kind.Drop a supermutant overlord or albino scorpion in megaton/rivet city and it will kill EVERYONE, the entire town, with trivial ease.Drop a supermutant in The Hub in FO1 and while it'll absolutely gib some people, it will die.
>>744513973r/oldschoolcoolnsfw or whatever the fuck it was called getting banned kinda made sense, desu. Posting your grandma's 1960's polaroid nudes for upvotes was kinda fucked up.
>>744513451Communism eventually filters out people who aren't empty pieces of shit. Almost every commie type i've ever met had a family that had more money than mine (i'm not poor or working class btw). They were also extremely selfish. They could talk about helping people, but actually helping people is something they rarely did. Lending a hand and helping friends is something they always weasel out of, are unable to do, or it inconveniences them. You end up with a group of people where few are carrying the rest, with sone others also chipping in. They're not wrong about the problems we're facing, but they could never successfully implement them. I don't view the people who would be able to as stereotypical commies. Commies want free stuff and to be pampered. They're people who get helped out and don't care about returning the favor. If they happened upon a co-op farm that helped them out in some ways, including shelter, their mindset wouldn't be to find ways to be useful and return the favor. They're allergic to helping out and hard work that ISN'T selfish. This is why we see commies talking about wanting to make art all day and teach underwater basket weaving. Having to pick up a shovel due to lack of skills or urgency is an affront to them. They're selfish people.
>>744513965Most people in Fallout are pretty fine with ghouls because they're generally pretty harmless and they often have knowledge from before the war, which is very valuable.Ghouls are very rare though and are pretty happy living with other ghouls so it all works out fine.Its only FO3-4 which added 'ghoul racism' for some stupid fucking reason.The only person who hated ghouls in FO1-2 was the Vault City mayor, but she hated everyone so hating ghouls wasn't even abnormal.
>>744513998Megaton and Rivet City are still somewhat OK, because at least they have walls and some sort of entry control. Yeah, Megaton’a guards don’t get much done, but at least they are there.It’s those settlements like Canterbury Commons (literally just open bunch of houses), Girdershade (lmao, just one shack), Andale etc. that would get rolles bu even one regular Radscorpion.
Shocking that humans living in a shithole don’t have flawless libshit morality. Wow so evil.
>>744514102Ghouls are fucking hideous and probably smell really bad so Fallout 3/4 make more sense
>>744514160Megaton's walls are made out of shitty rusted metal.A single explosive charge will knock down a considerable amount of the wall and allow for easy access. It's not like supermutants don't have missile launchers.Rivet City is more defensible but also has zero fucking farming of any kind, so just siege the place and it's dead in a week. You could take out Rivet city with maybe 10 well armed guys, 20 if you want to be sure.
>>744510826They’re also constantly rotting and smell like it. They attract all kinds of pests and host innumerable diseases.
>>744514220Yeah sure go ahead, bully the people who might know how to make something very important lmao.Protip: You don't know how to operate a nuclear powerplant, that retarded stinky ghoul DOES
>>744510826Ghouls don't emit radiation. Even glowing ones don't. That was retconned later by Bethesda for no reason.
>>744514270The average person wouldn't care about that
>>744514315Fallout people are often smarter than depicted in FO3-4.People actually cared about important shit in FO1-2.
>>744510728Launch a mini nuke on the karma system, terrible shotgun Regulator heads, desintegrate nigdog baaawww with the metal blaster, total ghoul death
>>744514081communists are either>I hate my job so I want someone else to do it while I do what I wantor>fuck rich people, everyone wealthier than me should be stripped of their wealth and thrown to prison/gulag/straight up killed, my wealth is the perfect upper limit of someone's wealth but if I'll get richer after the revolution it's because I deserved it
>>744514102>>744514220>>744514315yeah but to be fair pre war medical staff would be very useful, just make sure they wear protective gear when doing surgery and such. In fact, id wager most people alive pre war and who have made it so far into the future would be of use, how could you make it so far if you didn't have useful skills?
>treats you like shit through your whole childhood, including your birthdays>apologizes years later only because he needs your help>people will say you're the bad one if you don't help him
>>744509635I let the ghouls in because tenpenny is a fag and fags should die
>>744514227You don’t get it! Rivet City doesn’t need farms because they trade! They trade with other hubs who also trade! And they in turn go out into the countryside to find other traders who trade! You don’t need farms anywhere in the whole World, you just need to trade! You trade caps for food just like we trade money for food!!! You just need fucking trade!!!!!
>>744514227You’re not wrong, I’m just not quite as through in my analysis, I get sated as long as there’s some illusion of security for villages.IMO the bigger problem for Rivet City’s plausibility is how getting to it is complete hell, and I can’t even imagine how trade is supposed to work there when traversing the DC ruins is such a mutant / raider gauntlet.
>>744509635I've got spurs that bingo bango bingo(Bingo banbo!)
>>744514553i fucked his mom with sex mods. how about that tunnel snake you son of a bitch
>>744511483A well-received video essay gets "reaction" videos where Asmongold and Critikal pause it every two minutes to go>mhm, yeah, that's a good point, yeah *sniffs* I thought about thatand a poorly-received video essay gets these.
>>744514553Regardless how you feel about Butch, or his mom's parenting skills, she doesn't deserve to get eaten by giant cockroaches
>>744514553>TFW you save his mother, only to punch her to death in front of him lmao>>744514581>How do they make money?>They trade!>They trade what?>Stuff they find in the wasteland!>And what happens when they run out?>They'll never run out!>How do you possibly know that?>The super duper mart is still stocked!>>744514592FO3 and NV both have the issue of having no actual really powerful 'guards', there's really no endgame threats so once you can KO that 'reasonably tough enemy' you're able to kill the final enemies as well.FO1 had a very noticable power climb going something like-Radscorpions-Raiders-Centaurs/Floaters-Combat armored dudes-Supermutants/DeathclawsBut FO3 basically goes -Fuck it, you're right out of the vault and you can kill Enclave power armored guys with a baseball bat
>>744511182>A BLOO BLOO TENTRANNY IS HECKIN RACIST CAUSE IT JUST IS OKghouls arent a race though, what are they even talking about? or is this like the whole orc thing where progressives see the most hideous disgusting awful creature ever and go "oh thats a black"
>try to solve the quest via "peaceful" method>convince the residents to let them in>some VERY BIGOTED people are impossible to convince>have to steal from them and basically force them out>they leave because the tower isn't safe anymore>let the ghouls in>everyone dies a week later>mfw when only the MOST RACIST residents end up being the ones who survive Roy's massacrewhat did Todd mean by this?
>>744514714I don't know her so I can't tell if she deserves it or notBut he deserves to not get help from someone he treated like shit for literally no reason for several years
>"Yes, yes goy-I mean bud, kill Jeffrey Tenpennstein and bring me his key! He's a biiig bigot and we ghouls dindu nuffin! What are the keys for? That doesn't concern you. Just KILL those bigoted white guys!"
>>744514779The part where you find all the dead bodies of the human residents in the basement after the peaceful resolution is one of the most memorable moments in all of Fallout for me
>>744510981I did something similar with the vampire quest. God, fallout 3 was so retarded. >>744510728If the working class were literal rotting zombies I'd also rather live with the billionaires even if it teams I scrub toilets for a living. Living people smell bad enough. Bad Idea to use inherently unlikable monsters to make these analogies
>>744514457There is no valid reason for any person to have access to more resources than any other person.
>>744514650During the birthday scene?
>>744514682Mhm yeah good point but we're talking about responses not reactions
>>744514853You don't have to do it for him, do it for herSomeone being mean to you doesn't mean you just let other people die to epically own them, that's psychotic
>>744514896I mean he is rather obviously misleading the player and it's pretty easy to figure that out.
>>744512626Burke lied to him, he thought Megaton was evacuated
>>744509635Tenpenny deciding not to let ghouls in is his choice. Is it a little mean, maybe? Tenpenny at least can be convinced to let them in, he's not even as bad as the head bitch from Vault City in Fallout 2 who also owns slaves. Plus the ghouls can just fuck off to anywhere else in the wasteland there's plenty for the taking.
>>744514974how about a drunk driver that keeps wrecking his car into orphanages, should be not be cut off from possessing and being able to drive a car?
>>744512864WE WON
>>744514974explain why Kim Jong Ill bough million dollars worth of Hennessey a year while his people starved then>inb4 not real communism
>>744514714i know it's a videogame but you'd think he'd go get help from literally ANYONE ELSE but the guy he bullied
>>744515135>it's a little mean not to let the group that is constantly threatening you to live with you
>>744509635Uhh but rights are never given? They are always taken with threat of violence.If someone "gives" you rights it's a side-product of something else. For example, gubmint wants you to be a good little cog in the machine, and to make you such it gives you "right" to do things in your free time so you'll be a better little cog in the machine.
>Ghouls want to break into tower for some fucking reason>There's literally entire lines of houses mostly untouched in places>As ghouls they can also live in subways with trivial ease as ferals don't bother them
>>744515247it's also 200 years lateryou'd think the concept of "rights" would've evaporated by now
>>744515336200 years of rebuilding and civilization has taken place, the topic of 'what rights do people have?' would be a fairly major one.As FO1-2 demonstrates, slavery is mostly tolerated, if frowned upon.
>>744515273they are pretty much Haitiansthey want to kill whitey, wear their clothes and live in their houses, even if only for a little while before it all crumbles down, then it's mudhuts again
ghouls are NIGGERS
>>744510273elites of what?
>>744515471people think that rich = eliteif you are rich you are instantly privileged, white, evil and a pedophile because self-made men do not exist anymore
>>744515471They're a bunch of old people who can materialize ammunition, money, food, water, and clean clothes from the aether.Forget 'elites', nigga you're living with WIZARDS.
>>744515273Also>Entire community of already established, ready for them to move in and comfortably live >Refuse that, they just want to takeover another place even though they would fundamentally be in conflict with the existing residents
>>744515224Not that part, I'm talking about just not wanting to live around ghouls in general. Vault City does the exact same and it's a bit shitty but it's perfectly understandable too not to want to live around ghouls or mutants. Ghouls just build their own settlements like Gecko or like Marcus with Mutants in Jacobstown. Both groups can be dangerous to live around but Marcus is stand up guy and the ghouls in Gecko are trying to make peace with Vault City without getting killed by Joanne Lynette.
>>744515529See this is another contradiction to the whole "Tenpenny is evil, he shoots random people from this balcony!", the tower needs caravan supplies from the outside in order to survive, people aren't going to be dealing business with a madman who shoots everybody who comes close to the tower
Yay another /pol/ thread :)
>>744515207It's a chaotic situation where the guards/armed people are either trying to kill you because they're stupid or they're being overwhelmed by radroaches themselves, and if you help you're more or less just in time, any later she'd be deadThere probably are better solutions but Butch is stupid and a coward and it's a Bethesda game, so the morally correct option is still not letting some bystander get eaten by radroaches
>>744515660What? It's just a discussion about a quest in the popular video game Fallout 3
>>744515660/pol/ website
>>744515589wrong picture haha
>>744515647>the tower needs caravan supplies from the outside in order to surviveApparently not, there are no traders who actually sell anything in FO3, there's wandering gypsies who never seen to actually do any proper business though.To trade you need production. No production, no trade.FO3 has no production, so the 'trade' ingame is illusionary.
>>744515812Sure, in a game machinic sense none of that exists, but it's implied in game
>>744515862It's not even implied ingame, there's not a single implication of anyone building anything.It's a setting where everyone canonically just wizards stuff into existence.
>>744509913>Watch the video to see how bad it it is>Skips dialogue>Sidesteps the fact that the ghouls explicitly want to and will kill everyone if given the chance>Ghouls are just le normal people too moral panderingI expected some hardcore leftist squirming, but this is somehow worse than expected.
>>744515948>there's not a single implication of anyone building anythingGOTCHA NIGGA
>>744516140Chiseling a wall is not really making a gun, or making food, or anything like that.
>>744509635Who wrote this quest? There's no way Emil wrote something this interesting
>>744516182Rivet City has a literal hydroponics lab where you can see them grow fresh food. Something you'd know if you play the game.
>>744516309>They grow a few experimental potatos and carrots, that feeds the whole wasteland!You can't even BUY any of their produce you retard lmao.
>>744516309who wound the motors? who made the silicone impellers in the low pressure water pumps? WHO THE FUCK MADE THE FUCKING PIPES??!?
>>744509913isn't that the impractical jokers guy?
>>744516397I did
>>744516140>return to superior cave-dwelling, plains tenting, and squatting in cool old ruins>you want to bring back real estateshalom
>>744516534
>>744512942Nothing morally interesting about it.>join the slaver with a science team of one scientist trying to make a cure that would end slavery>join the traitorous slaver with a science team of 0 who wants to kill a baby
>>744516985EAT BABY
>>744516985Then I guess Oasis is the most morally interesting part of Fallout 3
>>744513640Feral isn't just an on/off switch. I side with tenpenny tower every time but the "durr hurr dey go feral" argument is the dumbest fucking shit in this thread. Just kill them or expel them once they start turning. Wow, what a dilemma.
Bethesda should have stayed away from fallout. It was a grave mistake and basically their achilles heel which lead to their downfall. If they stayed away from fallout firstly we would have had elder scrolls 6 by now bethesda image wouldn't be as tarnished even after a starfield disaster and we wouldn't have a tranny game Fallout New Vegas.
>>744513836That is addressed in the game. You can confront Roy with that and he just goes "ohh so I'm a ghoul I can't enjoy luxury? It's the priciple, I want what they have".It's why>>>744511707The other two just go along with him because they like him and he's strong and charismatic. Killing them doesn't make much sense at all.
>>744517357Bethesda should have just made their Apocalypse Road IP and let Fallout remain as a niche CRPG series
>>744509635>>744509913Never played a fallout game.There are people who didn't kill this abomination guy the second he tries to presents himself as human?
>>744517357>we would have had elder scrolls 6 by nowIt would just be Starfield with swords anyway
>>744510435>actually the basletball americans just want to live comfortably and are peaceful and nice, don't look at the violent crimes they commit chud
>>744517175Harold comes off as poorly written in that because despite supposedly being rooted there for fuck onows how long he only starts noticing there and then that the spread of vegetation is expanding his senses and letting him ovserve further into the wasteland. Gives off the impression that he lturned into a tree like a couple of days ago and he is distressed to the point of being suicidal without giving himself time to readjust and evaluate the situation. Were it not for that one offhand remark then yeah I'd say the quest was probably one of the only few instances of a decently done iteration of the obnoxiously overdone "needs of the few vs many" cliche. As it is I headcanon my character just telling him "try to make the best of your new life and see if it's really as bad as your first impression tells you. I'll be back with a chainsaw in a year or two if you still haven't changed your mind".
>>744517238>Just kill them or expel them once they start turning. Wow, what a dilemma.Do you know the timeframe from somebody starting to turn before they actually do? Is it days? Weeks? Months? What happens if they don't tell anybody? What happen if somebody is emotionally attached to the person because they're friends or family and refuses to kill them? Or worse, what happens if they turn on you for trying to kill the feral ghoul?Thankfully there's an easier option, just don't take the risk in the first place and keep everybody safe
>>744515749Anime & manga fans = Humans in Tenpenny Tower/pol/ = Ghouls
>>744517569Idk it wouldn't matter because we would have had a billion mods for it to fix it. Now if it sucks it would take another 5 years to fix it and we would within reach of 2040
>>744517646>B-but anon, without contrived nonsense, the shitty story doesn't work
>>744517646Months going off quite a few timestamped journal entries in the game.
>>744515862The only implication is that Roe has one line that Wolfgang deals in "general supplies", but everything else makes pretty explicit that means scrap.
>>744509635If they ever do remake Fallout3, will they change this quest so the Ghouls are the good guys?
>>744517864No because Bethesda is based
>>744510248arrows have been around as quotation in forums since before you were a speck in your dad's balls dude what are you on about
>>744517517This it would be interesting what would they come up with if they weren't so focused in making fallout 3 as true to fallout 1 (to include ghouls super mutants deathclaws so on) and instead went with their own shit
>>744517864No because in the eyes of the devs the ghouls are already the "good guys" in this quest. They've been marked as bad karma for killing them while Tenpenny gets good karma for killing him. What they'll do is just make it more comical
>>744510401faggot take.
>>744511079>nooo it all makes sense dont you get it? the 2 or 3 farms in the whole world feed all of vegas! it just makes sense!
>>744518069You are disingenuous and an utter retard.Give me the timestamp where he says "makes a video essay on a questline" in the video.
>>744509635the best migration image in media
>>744515103give him a break, he's retarded.
>>744509635Fuckin smoothskins shoulda let those ghoul brothers and sisters in day one if they didn't want to die.
>>744518324you believe actional quotes were invented by 4chan? lmao what a fucking zoomer
>>744516373yeah because its not fully developed/mass producible yet, its almost as if they need something called fresh, clean water to make it work... hmm wasnt there something about a project purity in fallout 3? oh right there was and you'd know that if you werent a stupid fucking retard who hates on a game he never played.
>>744517357if that happened new vegas wouldve never been made you fucking idiot lmao
>>744518402jew mad kek
>>744518592just like your reply? you just couldnt wait to respond to me, faggot.
>>744518459I believe you are a retarded autistic tranny who thinks 4trans behaviour outside of this website is socially acceptable.
>>744509635There are two things to consider here.1. Ghouls are mutants. They have already left the path of humanity. Thus there is no moral obligation to give them anything other than a quick death.2. Every ghoul is a ticking time bomb. False compassion will only endanger those you care about. Putting down a ghoul after it rampaged through your haven will not bring the victims back to life.
>>744518673>literally googled the termfucking LOLlook up what actional means you fucking retard holy shit what a great thread
>>744518713Show me instances of 4troon greentexting being used prior to the establishment of this website. Such a widespread phenomenon surely you'll have plenty of screencaps, right?
>>744518775>starts with asinine requestsconcession accepted lmao
>>744518775no I don't take screencaps of every little online interaction I taketalk about chronically online behavior lol
>>744518813>>744518909You will always be an autistic newfag and it will show with every dumbassed post you make. You'll never find a comfortable social space out in the real world or online because your brain structure is completely fucked. No amount of samefagging will change that.
>>744518959>no retort>lashes outconcession accepted lmao, lurk moar
>>744518959>the guy that sees something and instantly assumes it's related too 4chan telling others their brains structures are fuckedthe irony is so strong
>>744509635>Let the Ghouls in>Come back a week later>Kill the Ghouls>Kill Three Dog to stop his bitching on the radio>It's my tower now and nobody can do shit about itI suppose Roy was right, in the wasteland everything is up for grabs.
>>744517357>we wouldn't have tranny game Fallout New Vegas >>744518580>if that happened new vegas wouldve never been made you fucking idiot lmao
>>744518673>average redditor the second he gets anonymity
>>744519193retard cant see the bigger picture, figures. I will spell it out for you since you are an idiot. The success of new vegas selling 5 million copies, the money it made basically went all towards skyrim and without that happening skyrim wouldnt have been as good, , nor have been finished as quickly, and fallout 4 would've been even worse than it was, with elder scrolls 6 never getting greenlit. you are a simpleton who cant understand a chain of events.
>>744518480Protip if you don't have drinkable water for 200 years, your biggest issue isn't hydroponics.
>>744518069And even before that in emails
>Fallout 3 uses literal monsters for this quest>people still arguing about right and wrong years later>New Vegas uses figurative monsters for the equivalent quest>no argument whatsoeverExplain.
>>744517357>New Vegas>Tranny gameMate, what kind of drugs are you on?
>>744520147Which equivalent quest?
>>744510534Understandable, who the fuck settles down next to an unexploded piece of ordnance as the centerpiece of the whole community?
>>744520237
>>744520304This is the superior writing of Obsidian? That's even less subtle.
>>744520296the retarded niggers actually moved an entire unnamed airport/plane graveyard to a hole with the nuke at the bottom to establish megaton instead of having a sniper at a reinforced air control tower oversee a tarmac and debris fence because the atom cultists had the esoteric knowledge of building scrap shacks.
>>744520304That's not even a quest, it's just background lore for a location. The Tenpenny Tower one is one of the most notable side quests in Fallout 3
>>744511982In "just" an hour? Do you realize how dead 4chan is?
>>744520304>No option to join the Fiends/work with them to pillage Vegas after going Yes Man route
>>744514553You may call me weak, but I don't consider some guy being mean to me enough reason to let his mom die.
>>744510992Ghoul NPCs in multiple games tell you about it and sometimes about their friends who went feralYou don't even play these games
>>744520650>Do you realize how dead 4chan is?I feel like it's been dying way faster recently, did something happen?
>>744514553Being so petty as to let someone else suffer for the slights caused by another does in fact make you evil, anon. It also makes you incredibly petty and spiteful.
>>744509635Still the most based quest in fallout. Obsidian could never.
>>744520706>Ghoul NPCs in multiple games tell youdoubt it
>>744520706I feel like the games have always been vague about what exactly causes a ghoul to go feral. Sometimes it's isolation driving them mad, sometimes it just happens for no reason, presumably old age, and I think sometimes it happens when they get exposed to so many rads at once even they can't handle it.
>>744520304That's not a quest, just backstory for why raiders have taken over a vault>>744520419Imagine being this retarded
>>744519592>skyrim was goodLol skyrim was good due to mods not because of bethesda. It's a huge downgrade from morrowind. Morrowind was the only good elder scrolls game made by bethesda but a new elder scrolls is always good cuz you can mod it.You are fucking retard>fallout 4Nah you are a troll kys
People are only talking about this, because the karma points earned in that quest confuse their NPC brains.
>>744521008I know, it's retarded that they could just throw it out there.
>>744509635But you don't know that he's going to kill everyone until after he kills everyone. Bet on love, bet on kindness. Every time.
>>744521050True, play Starfield
>>744521104>Can't believe the man threatening to kill everybody when I first met them actually killed everyone
>>744521104The most retarded post so far, well done,
>tfw can't join Burke for a glowie-like quest line where you infiltrate settlements to do shit for Mr. Tenpenny like stealing some cool thing he wants from a high security vault or killing and replacing important people to eventually take over
>>744521061Karma system is fucking retarded in general, doubly so having popups telling you which way it swings after every action.>see two tards shooting at each other>pick one to save by killing the other>kill the dude because the chick first started shouting she's being attacked and was running away>get bad karma upon killing her, already know she's the bad guy wtihout even engaging in any dialogue not the speech check that reveals her to be a robber
>>744511483>is this a normal thing to occur???yes
>>744521653>Only other example is from 10 years agoThanks for confirming.
>>744521958ok mauler
>>744509635>>Morally impossibleTo be fair the rich people wanted to nuke Megaton because it ruined their balcony view of the wasteland.
>>744520652>no option to join the Fiends/work with them to rape NCR troopersBros...
>>744521958eat a bag of crow dicks
>>744522303Female NCR troopers belong to Legion soldiers.
>>744522132One person wanted that, and he was also assured by Burke that everybody in Megaton would leave before the bomb went off
I think the logic is meant to be something along the lines of Tenpenny holds "wasteland safaris" that amount to sniping innocent people from his improbably large, intact tower and is willing to bomb a town full of innocent people solely to make his view from said tower look like ugly (somehow) and therefore Roy is the lesser of two evils. (Please ignore everyone else in the tower who may or may not be ignorant to how stupid their leader is, as they mention never talking to him.) Roy however immediately turns into a little bitch when Burke says they can cooperate, thereby implying Roy's ruthless personality will just turn into another Tenpenny because the real source of all the problems (Burke) isn't dead. But this is also a magically intact hotel in the middle of a desert that has no reason to be where it is, as even in the context of post-war ruins there's no reason a walled-off luxury hotel would be here surrounded by rubble, and Tenpenny Tower's residents have no apparent means by which they remain alive (no farms, etc.) So this is all just fairy tale nonsense and trying to take it seriously is a retard
>>744522303That's a very sexual woman
>>744509913My favorite interaction was>Comments not going like you expected huh?>OP: Yeah, I wasn't expecting a bunch of racists to invade my comment section>Other commenter: What race do Ghouls represent btw?>*crickets*>>744511668>every Fallout 3 fanNot just the fans, even the FO3 haters are joining in.
>>744522672It's the black lipstick.
>>744522615>Tenpenny holds "wasteland safaris" that amount to sniping innocent peopleIf he does indeed do this, why does he not shoot at the player as you approach the tower? Or the subhuman zombies trying to get in?>magically intact hotelTenpenny painstakingly rebuilt the tower himself. >what do they eatVegetables raised on the rooftop greenhouse.
>>744514974Maybe they are technocrats that how to invest them better and have better ideas than (You) such as Starlink... or SpaceX...
>>744515146Lmao did he retire over that? What a pussy kek he was never gonna make it
This questline just highlights how terrible bethesda quest routes are. The best option to would be to kill Roy and Tenpenny.
>>744519113A Tower with no merchants to get rid of your junk for caps. Well done retard...
>>744523154Not over that one video, he's just trying desperately to be like this guy and he's upset that it didn't happen
>>744523479>oldest building in liberty city>1.1mpeople will watch anything, huh
>>744520304Motor-Runner is right Liberals that will accept anyone including literal raping murdering savages in their civilization exist everywere. He is just a sub 90 IQ drug addict so to him its surpriaing. People with good intentions always ruin everything because they forget the world is full of rape and murder especially in shitslamic shitholes and the global soutb.
>>744520652The Khans
>>744523603yup
>>744523603This dude cracked the algorithm code of "short videos on childhood games talking about a random yet at first glance curious topic">what about San Andreas' random roads?>what about Skyrim's rivers?>what about Zelda's alleyways?Shit like that.
>>744512273I love the argument that "all ghouls go feral eventually" when it's demonstrably not true since, as of every game, there are ghouls who have been alive since the way who have not gone feral.
>>744523712>25 minutes for a simple yes or not question, an extra minute for an answer as to whereJesus fucking Christ I hate modern youtube.
>>744523781Nobody should watch those. Its genuine terminal boredom distraction society
>>744523603These are videos that people play in the background while doing repetitive tasks that require no brain power.This can appeal to the most unemployed of NEETs farming something in an MMO to a wagie working on excel spreadsheets or whatever, so it's quite a broad audience he's got.
>>744523906Consiceness is a lost art even tho its the mark of tru intelligence
>>744512626>lead a nuke city to its logical conclusion while you're still able to resolve it cleanlyidk I wouldn't want a nuke in my neighborhood either
>>744523781>short videos
>>744524042for today's standards, 10-20 minutes is shorti do agree with you, it's stupid to call it "short"
>>744510981this comic is so badass
>>744509913Is he the new hbomberguy?
>>744509963oh god... this image is wonderful..
>>744524042When most vidya essayists are doing 6 hour long retrospectives, yeah.
>>744524137No since he's praising Fallout 3 and the Tenpenny Tower quest
>>744513451they live off trade, in fact not losing access to all those merchant was a major factor on which factions I sided with, lol
>>744524137at least hbomberguy despite being a faggot lefty, puts efforts into his videos and diversifies a littleyou can watch the Sherlock video or the plagiarism video and they are fun because they don't have politics in them
>>744514081their brain is stunted into perpetual adolescence
>>744511483Yeah, it takes a very poor video to get that many people racing to dunk on it though. Usually 1 or 2 channels responding to a topic they feel strongly about is the norm.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB3a4gBMP6ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeqnmP0jUcc
>>744521104>Bet on love, bet on kindness. Every time.
>>744513316>"unmoderated"Just get moderators, bro.
>>744524808Something about that 2nd video's title and thumbnail gives butthurt ESL vibes (not giving them the click to find out)
>>744510938Dave hands typed this post
>>744524968I don't remember it being esl, just a little unfocused. The guy spent an hour and 20 minutes chipping away at Radahn at level 1 on ng7 so it's at the level coherency I expected from that kind of autism.
>>744520709Probably some bot farms got quashed.
>>744509913kek
>>744525372Racist against whom....? Why are normalfags like this??
>>744524881literal "leopards ate my face" momenti bet you that resulted in absolutely nothing and women have had to abandon the spaces meant for them
>>744522780For me its this gem from his "I'm taking a break from youtube" video
>>744525372>makes the video about race>"wow, why are people racist?"it's shocking to me that this isn't parodyit really shows why their ideology can't exist in a place that doesn't lean heavily into censorship, because this happens
why are muttoids so comically evil?as soon as they meet something they don't understand their first impulse is to kill that thing
>>744509913Why the fuck are we getting recommended all the same garbage
>>744510728>commie troon>calling others goyimEverything you believe was made by jews goy, you are their favorite golem
>>744513316Even the gravure subreddit got banned.There's nothing left.
>eceleb thread is full of tourists from redditCan't make this shit up.
>>744525628>mega cringe
>>744524378>the plagiarism video>anti republican politics at 25:00, implying that republicans want to kill the poor and lockup black people
>>744511261>Ghouls are humans no different from you or me, just with severe burns on their skin. There's absolutely no logical reason not to let them live with us in the tower.I know this is probably you being facetious but there's literally retards out there who completely forget that many ghouls are ticking time bombs who might go feral at any time. I haven't played Fallout 3 in a while but I'm pretty sure there's even some quests where ghouls go feral in them.
>>744526263>many ghouls are ticking time bombs who might go feral at any time.How is that any different from a regular human? You're walking down Rivet City then BAM suddenly a troubled youth spontaneously turns into a raider and decides to invite you to play The Knockout Game.
I actually think I'd rather live with Super Mutants then Ghouls, I don't know if that is stupid given the Super Mutants could be gen 2 dumb dumbs who think it would be funny to squeeze me till I go pop but imagine the sheer amount of labour they could contribute to the settlement. I guess Broken Hills would be the ideal medium.
>>744523378Oasis is the genuinely good sidequest from Fallout 3
>>744526208Which is 100% true but drones be seething. Republicans are against the people always have been.
>>744526486ok, but can't you be dishonest on reddit instead?
>>744511483This has been fairly common on YT since the 2000s. Someone makes a video that gets negative reception and others scramble to make response videos to it. Just in this case it relates to Fallout. Though this may be one of the few times I've seen the Fallout fanbase actually unite on something, quite the rare site these days.
>>744526208it wasn't incorrectthe government at that time did everything possible to fuck up black people and make them vote democrat permanentlythey made them addicted to the welfare state and they never fucking recovered since, they were already doing bad pre-civil rights but they were better than what we have now
>Fallout 3 writingreminder, they somehow thought Three Dog was written as a likable character. He's probably the one who gets his face caved in the most by the player
>>744518713kek at reddit spacing negro trying to fit in
>>744528120you don't know what reddit spacing is
>>744528573uh oh redditor melty
>>744526810[Intelligence] So you mean to say that the writers failed to make him likeable?
>>744528573reddit spacing is exactly what you did. do you get a kick out of it, acting like a faggot while under the guise of anonymity? after you're done shitting this thread up, you'll go back and act like a good boy for karma again, right?
>>744526810I used to have a gif of Three Dog having his head blown off by a rifle then landing in a waste bin. Wish I still had it. I can't find it anywhere nowadays.
>>744520304The only quest related to Motor-Runner is if he dies with a bullet straight to the skull, up in flames along with his guards and dogs with the Heavy Incinerator or hacked to pieces while the Courier goes up in a frenzy high as fuck on Rushing Water and Jet. There's no reason to leave the Fiends alive unless you're doing a Chaotic Evil run and even then, I don't know what would that accomplish, they are literally worthless subhumans that have no skills or tools helpful to you and too unpredictable to be trusted.
>>744528979hmmm you seem to know a lot about reddit
>>744512273>not even a majority go feralYet there are so few non feral, curios.
>>744529046of course I do. I just don't use it, because it breeds dumb retards. if I wanted to know a redditor's opinion, I'd turn CNN on
>>744509635>The great immigrant replacement perfectly demonstrated and explained 20 years before anyone even started taliking about itOg devs were true visionaries.
>>744529193>of course I doi knew it
>>744529193>im always there and know how it all works but im not a redditor
>>744510071Ghouls?More like : Gho(africans)uls
>>744520296atomic bombs don't explode by just bumping into it, retard.The bomb is safe from detonation (radiation is another story), so much so that you need to fix the bomb before it can explode.
>>744529290>>744529452this is exactly what I'm talking about. how else am I supposed to form an opinion, without experiencing it for myself? a redditor would just take someone else's opinion with a lot of updoots
>>744526058Yikes!
>>744529031>The only quest related to Motor-Runner is if he dies with a bullet straight to the skullNo it isn't, you can sell him drugs.
>>744529701>i became a redditor to not be a redditor
>>744529856unlike you, I'm honest
>>744529978>im not a redditor even though im a redditor>honest
Fucking kek. I just love when two spergs are replying to each other trying to get the last word.
>>744530043>I'm retardedI got it with your first frog
>>744530090we dont sign our posts here, redditorlike clockwork btw
>>744529031The fate of the Fiends is the most satisfying thing that comes with the Legion ending
>>744530202>we>4chanX>retardednot that any additional confirmation was necessary
uh oh even more reddit spacinguh oh even more melty
>>744513819still convinced a memo got lost somewhere in regards to the karma because the writing 100% was intentional, roy and his ghoul niggers are evil
>>744530363>throwing an inane list of things to see if something sticks
>>744524137>>744524378hbomber later said he was wrong about Fallout 3 or something, which is true
>>744510728Kill yourself, jew
>>744510728this post is the only actually correct one ITT because it takes into account the design intent of bethesda at the time.no, you were not supposed to have a 'deep moral struggle'. you were supposed to laugh as zombies killed the rich assholes who wanted to nuke megaton. or you were supposed to side with the rich assholes and wipe out the ghouls because they're ugly. bethesda fallout's "morality" is not weighed equally or with any nuance. neither was most of fallout 1 or 2, honestly.
>>744524881The only good thing to ever come about the whole tranny mindvirus is making women miserable while completely denying any and all chance for them to muscle out people with opression nonsense since trannies are higher on the totem pole than them, lmao
>>744509635lmao I tried asking chatgpt to see it's take on it but even it knows about real life connotation with this quest so it goes against it's programming
>>744531034even stock google is better than whatever the fuck you're using
>>744511381>y'all can't leave me here! This is Tunnel Snake country!
for me its
>>744525701Everything that they believe in and defend makes a lot of sense when you consider that their whole ideology fundamentally relies on denying reality with every fiber of your being.It's no coincidence that most of them are just unemployed twenty-something year old potheads or nepobabies. Whether they're asleep or awake, they're never in the real world.
>>744524042It's short long-form content>Wouldn't that just be medium-formNo.
>>744522615>no farms, etcThis is a problem with all of Fallout 3. The few farms that do exist seem to be there only like a lazy afterthought. No settlement except the one on the bridge and the other anon mentioning some rooftop gardens have any kind of food production going and when they do its tiny.Its just a poorly designed world when Bethesda has their hands on it.
>>744531210>"subverts expectations"Ah yes, because co-existing with barely sapient zombies that the lore has established eventually WILL degrade into mindlessly violent horror-movie mode is the actual expectation?
>>744509635There is too much ghoul hatred on this board lately. Enough of that. This is now a ghoul love thread.Post hot ghouls.
>>744532119Why would you farm when you can eat 200+ year old food from the supermarket?
>>744532235The things I would pay Beatrix to do to me...
>>744532249Presumably because the hyper-preserved canned food and supernaturally non-rotting McDonalds tier junk food will eventually run out and also every supermarket in these games is packed full of raiders.
>>744532234yes, because you meet plenty on peaceful ghouls to understand that they are sick humans
>>744532235I WANT A GHOULFRIEND
>playing bethesda gamesmorally impossible
>>744532235Carol and Tulip in Underworld deserve more appreciation, they are so sweet and nice and without any ulterior motives like most ghouls do.
>>744513819It was a dogwhistle for actual racism. "See, this is what happens when you stop being racist and let the unwashed heathens into your country". The Tenpenny Tower residents being the "bad karma" side was the joke because "being racist is bad, mkay?"
>>744514912>get told its a metaphor>reply with a literal rumination anywayIts this kind of subtle retardation thats the most irritating because when you reoly to thinks your type of people have just enough brain power to continue to descend into the mental chasm.
>another Fallout 3 thread going at 400 posts and staying mostly on-topicHow come that almost no other game can pull this off so consistently? At this point, should we finally admit that there’s something magical about Fallout 3?
>>744531821More precisely, their goals are literally human extinction. They defend ghouls because ghouls are sterile and rotten.
>>744532954For me it's Willow>Teasing you in that terrible raspy voiceGive me the zombussy.
>>744532521Ghouls are ticking timebombs, people are right to be wary of spending appreciable amounts of time around them. There's a difference between treating a ghoul amicably and letting a ghoul live in your building. Likewise, you can treat individual niggers with respect, but living around them is dangerous and someone will eventually get hurt.
>>744529031They are good to keep around as pressure on camp mccarran if you're doing a legion run as you should be.
>>744510071why would I help ghouls over humans?
>>744533423you could think that they are treated unfairly
>>744529701He saw the epic oldfags talking shit about it so he decided to parrot it to fit in of course. Nevermind the fact that he greentexts outside of 4chan like a post-shazbowl newfag.
>>744533484unfairly how? compared to humans?
>>744533484They can just live anywhere other than this pre-war apartment complex. They wouldn’t even need to pay to do it.
>>744533484I think they were treated unfairly. My simpathy fades fast when the retaliation involves mass murder, however.
>>744533484They're fucking rad immune, if anything they have the advantage when it comes to setting up shop literally anywhere compared to humans. They're just bitter and want free shit.
>>744533702for once someone could disagree that they are not humans>>744533729yeah, but you got similar opinions forming in poor college student. "eat the rich" and all of that>>744533781yeah, but you don't know that until you see the end. of couse you could say "I knew it! They are animals". but the writers could also write a different ending
>>744534051College students need to pay for housing. This roving pack of ghouls has the entire wasteland of free and uninhabited housing to move in, fix up, and defend. He has centuries to do it too.
>>744534268college students could also just go and earn money, but it's much easier to just take stuff from other people
>>744509913I'm tempted to download that video for history sake because I have a feeling he's going to delete it at some point
>>744534391There’s an argument to be had that the college students are expected to pay way too large a proportion of their paycheck just to rent. There’s no real argument that the roving pack of ghouls DESERVES to exist in this apartment complex when there’s loads of open shelter for them.
>>744534959do you really can't think of any bs reason for why ghouls deserve the tenpenny tower? they are oppressed, or discriminated against, or deserve it because of the suffering from their condition or some shit. in the end it doesn't matter, but some may think that they deserve it and others will disagree
Fallout 3 is full of fun quests that makes people remember and discuss for years, meanwhile NV has the most boring shit quests ever...You got shoot'em in the head and the moira questline have to be my favorites just for the fact that it makes you go all over the map through places where other quests happen too.
Wasn't there a whole town of ghouls in the original two Fallouts that keep their entire industry going completely smoothly, living in harmony and prosperity amongst each other because they dedicate themselves to their work and support each other?
>>744534465might aswell nuke his channel if he did lol.
>>744533423because humans are boring compared to ghouls
>>744535538Even in 3 there’s a functional ghoul community in the capitol wasteland.
>>744528120That's not reddit spacing, dumbass, that's just a paragraph. Reddit spacing is when you add a line break after the quote because that's the habit from Lee big chungus site
>>744535483Fallout 3 memorable narratives>Moira grindfest>A slav's bitch wants to go to the boat>Find a robot for a guy on a boat>Some vampires are harassing a bridge>"No vault-dweller, only you can go into the radioactive room, it is your destiny"New Vegas memorable narratives>Shot by gangster larpers>Find a sheriff for the rollercoaster town>Solve problems for a drunk lady's failed trade company>Figure out who sold Boone's wife to roman larpers>Help a dyke find old tech>Float an old airplane out of a lake for a bunch of crazy former vault dwellers>Help a sex-crazy dyke with her trauma at an NCR base>Become Red Lucy's champion and then fuck her brains out>Find a bunch of vault suits for a shut-in and then fuck her brains out>Do quests for a classy looking guy with a hard-on for libertarianism on a giant TV screen>And/Or Do quests for post-apocalypse Caesar and his roman larpers (could use more content but it WAS memorable)>Honest Hearts main storyline>Investigate old radio signals on that mountain and rescue the NCR scout in the caves>Discovering Nipton for the first timeI'm sorry, what? And this isn't even covering OWB and Dead Money which, while grindy, was definitely memorable and in the case of Dead Money had a really good narrative (and a better alternative ending for pro-BoS playthroughs from a certain point of view)
>>744536230newfag...
>>744512626nuketown is retarded. they worship the nuke
Ghoul lovers could be here
>>744509635>has rights>but needs to take themLeftist logic
>>744511483YouTubers cannibalize each other, they'll even eat their friends to keep that algorithm up. They're lower than whores.
>>744520747pettiness comes from trivial thingssomeone who has spent their entire life trying to make you miserable and sexually harassing your female friend is not just causing slight trivial annoyances
>>744509635Might makes right. Roy earned the tower.
>>744537556They should have let you become Overseer of the vault and settle old scores in ways ranging from embarrassing jobs to Maoist style kneeling executions.
>>744537617What if I kill Roy and Tenpenny and the Slavic guy and the Slavers and the Rivet City guards and Dave?
>>744512273>muh old isometric fallouts>feral ghouls are just romero zombies a day short of dying (again) of malnutrition and rotSounds like another thing bethesda improved by knowing how to make a game actually fun.
>>744537747What did Dukov dis to you? He ia just fucking 2 hoes ad infinitum in his little hotel lobby. Eventually some Super Mutants or Raiders are gonna get him. Its not like he ever closes his door.
>>744538109Classic FO ghouls looked cooler tho
>>744513775They're rich the same way anyone gets rich. It's not that hard to figure out.Its location is just a last minute rush job to fill in an empty corner of the map because the district in DC the tower was meant to be in got cut for time and/or the consoles of the time being too shit to handle them.
Its pathetic how much Bethesda shilling is going on, seems like Zenimax sent the jeets out.
>>744536249nta, I disagree with him, I think both games have plenty of memorable things.>shoot em in the head>republic of dave>superhero larpers>the quest in this very thread>becoming a slaver, including enslaving children>cannibal town>helping a woman rape a guy with ant pheromones>gary vault>coming back to your own vault and messing with everyone>big town>stealing independenceand if we're allowed two DLCs then Point Lookout and The Pitt are total kino.
>>744526361Ghouls are the niggers of Fallout. They can snap at any moment while absorbing more rads. Non-Ferals are ghouls whos brain is still mostly human and Ferals are Ghouls whos brain god irradiated and rot.
>>744510728If you share the same moral philosophy as Bethesda writers you aren't likely to pass the gates into the Kingdom of Heaven.If you share the same intelligence as Bethesda writers then it's proof captchas are way too easy.
>>744538427>Crying that he can't get his usual circlejerk going Tranny tears. Tranny tears never change.
>>744538543>The PittThis is the only DLC in any Fallout game I've never actually played. Shill it to me.
>>744538732It's not good, it's a mostly empty city attached to a small combat area where enemies spawn and attack you while you "scavenge".
>>744516140What bothers me more is that absolutely nobody in any of the games even tries to clean up their homesI guess they like stepping on broken glass and rusty debris first thing when they wake up
>>744526263There is a lot of holotapes of ghouls slowly becoming feral that go like>raaah waaah omg i would hate to hurt you after my mind goes waaaah raaawr so i will end it in my own termsImplying some ghouls know and they commit suicide before becoming feralRoy hangs out with Ferals so he is a piece of shit
Ghoul mask is worth more than the lives of the pathetic snobs of Tenpenny Tower. Tenpenny himself is a monster
>>744524378Really?He dedicated a segment to seethe at Internet Historian because his fans are Nat Soc
>>744535196could also just think of "that bastard at the top put a hit out on me for disarming a nuclear bomb, this will get his ass back."
>>744538925Just shoot the ghouls like they deserve instead of sneaking through.
>>744538832>in any of the gamesThe homes in New Vegas are in mostly a better state actually, even beginning from Goodsprings, still a bit messy, but not African shithole tier like in 3. Instead its the question of why they leave so many ruined houses in their outskirts up instead of rebuilding or scavenging for supplies (though maybe they do and that's why they're so ruined).
>>744521209He's actually right, as long as you're not a wiki reading faggot who spoils everything ahead of time for the most "optimal" playthrough. Even retards like (You) only "know right away" that the ghoul is going to do bad things because you read the quest ending and connected it to some gay culture war shit you spend all your free time obsessing over. No sapient human being in 2008 was playing this game, getting to this quest, and going "OH MY TWUMP DIS IS JUST LIKE DA MIGWANT CWYSIS DAT WON'T STAWT FOW A DECADE!!!!!!!".
>>744539042This. Roy killing everyone is the shock twist to show you not everything works out in the wasteland. You do good and you're supposed to be horrified to find out Roy's a dick just like Tenpenny (even allies with Burke if you didn't do the Megaton stuff)
>>744526772>>744526486I hope you guys get to live around all the diversity you deserve.
>>744539176I love how you fools never have an actual response to actual facts, so you shift it to an emotional outburst. Morons.
>>744539042we know that, the argument is that despite knowing this, the game treats it as a crime to kill Roy and his worldview is so skewed that he has internalized that if the person you have a problem with is a bigot, you are automatically allowed to murder them
>>744536249>i'm going to make new vegas look good by mentioning more quests even if they're as boring or more boring than the tiny amount of fallout 3 (me no likey so it BAD) quests I mentionedWhat are you, 12? This is like implying a band someone else likes is worse than the band you like by refusing to capitalize their name.
>>7445389254 merchants to sell your overweight junk to for the rest of the game and post game > ghoul maskOr what are you really that noob that ferals own you? The only dangerous enemy in all of Fallout 3 is the SuperMutant Overlord.
>>744539307Its 6 merchants actually i just remembered there is a black doctor under the stairs and Gustavo becomes a merchantIts the best hub town to sell junk you dont use anymore because every merchant is close by
>>744539295Are you 12, yourself?Why are you so sour? All those quests were fun to explore and the only one I thought was a little dull was Primm's sheriff quest, but it was still memorable. Go list all the quests from 3 you found memorable and well written, then.
>>744539307Rivet City and the Ghoul Town is much better and has all I need. Plus I'm already rich from giving books to the Brotherhood.
>>744539307the feral ghoul reaver is a pain in the ass to deal with
>>744539675No lol. 1 sneak shot combat shotgun anywhere kills it. And by then you have the Metal Blaster from the 50 ingots at The Pitt thats the game's most busted weapon by far
>>744538993>why they leave so many ruined houses in their outskirts up instead of rebuilding or scavenging for supplies (though maybe they do and that's why they're so ruined).Couldn't you headcanon that they just don't want to take risks considering the state of the Mojave, you really don't want to take any risks of having the roof fall on your head or lacerating yourself on some old sharp shit? If it's not endangering you in any way, might as well leave it be, and wait until you get some power armor to go in or robots to do it for you.
>>744538925>getting an item that lets you bypass getting xp killing melee-only enemies with ansolutely no health or armour>sacrificing a bunch of merchants who'll give you caps for all the shit you collect who are conveniently all in the same locationYou're kinda retarded.
>>744539042Roy straight up spells out his murderous intent with absolutely 0 ambiguity. Not once, but several times. Also, mass immigration was an issue even back then.
>>744538340>They're rich the same way anyone gets rich. It's not that hard to figure out.Considering the post apocalypse economy and society is completely alien to the present one, it actually is hard to figure out. There's no banks, investment funds, stock market, rule of law, insurance, legsl contacts or even a fiat currency. If your wealth consistents of a bunch of bottle caps you need to physically own then it's impossible to just casually live in a tower with other "rich" people and a bunch of armed men without being immediately tortured and killed.
>>744539885>He uses stealth and DLCJust admit you're a fucking fraud.
>>744514974The innate differences between people are actually a justification for one person to have more access to some resources than others. I just believe that the "how much more" should be limited "within reason."The junkie shooting up in the middle of the street deserves nothing but a swift death.The street sweeper who cleans up their needles for 8 hours a day deserves to go home to a comfortable house with a wife and two children who love and respect him, and the way he contributes to society.The uneducated, unintelligent janitor who scrubs shit for 8 hours a day deserves to go home to a comfortable house with a wife and two children who love and respect him, and the way he contributes to society.The people who shit on the floor that the janitor has to clean deserve nothing but a swift death.
>>744539995>Needs to grind XP in Fallout>River City, Underworld, and Megaton aren't enough merchants for himJust tell me you're bad at the game bro.
>>744518959Jesus Christ what an embarrassment of a behaviour
>>744540292I thought reavers were DLC
>>744509635I always execute him while he's talking at that door
The morally correct choice is to allow the Ghouls into Tenpenny Tower then slaughter them all after they kill the residents.
>>744540349>he says while getting gaped by the lowest rank of NCP just after molerats and roacheslmao
>>744540709>get negative karma for avenging the residents of the tower
>>744530679Then why did they tie morality to it? >>744514974>the people who work hard to gain access to more resources shouldn't have more than the people that do nothing or actively deplete the resources around themok communist
>>744538732It's dumb and gay, they make a big point out of you not having a gun because you're supposed to be a runaway slave returning to 'infiltrate' the slaver faction but as soon as you start your first quest you get a fuckload of guns and they don't confiscate them when you return from the monster infested parts of town either.
>>744540784Don't look back in anger, now.
>>744540784Sometimes we must sin in order to do what's right.
>>744513150It should be the other way though. Pass a law thatt allows people to sue companies and services that ban them for their speech.
>>744539924Its just carpentry.Goodsprings has some of the most competent people in the post-apocalyptic Mojave living in it too, that aren't associated with any specific faction like the BoS, between Doc Mitchell and Easy Pete, not to mention Sunny Smiles. Clearing some old wooden buildings is well within their wheelhouse.
>>744509635>WE ARE OWED YOUR GATED COMMUNITYNo. Honestly, the subway was a better place to live in that fucking wasteland. You just need to fucking clean it up. Once they killed everyone in Tenpenny Tower, it became just as disgusting as the subway they lived in before. Imagine being such a piece of shit that can't take care of even basic living conditions because you are that lazy. Kill all Ghouls.
I always let the ghouls take over tenpenny tower
>>744541232Nice, when are you letting in some refugees anon?
>>744541191Not just lazy, intent on letting what are effectively feral animals roam around and fuck everything up. All while ensuring nobody but ghouls could ever inhabit the tower again.
>>744511483Sometimes a take is so utterly retarded, it genuinely deserves getting shat on. The other anons are saying it's the nature of YT content and so on, but getting so many responses as this one is not common, you will get DS2 10 hour response or dozens of chuds shitting on a single video once in a while if the take is bad enough.
>>744509635>take rightsgive leftbob dip weaveslide backslide backjab shift rightoverhand
>>744510728old pedo gave me a room Roy gave me a headache
>>744536249Based
>>744514714The future is scary
>>744510435Ghouls smell really bad and look like burn victims. No reason to tolerate being around them.
>>744523906Most people like that he takes you on a narrated ride for the game as well I assume that's what people like from his videos because that's what I enjoy.
I saved megaton and then killed everyone in the townI let the ghouls in to help me kill everyone in Tenpenny tower then I killed the ghouls It's that easy
>could've been fallout thread>now its about being mad about reddit censorship nonsense insteadman
>>744509635It's always kind of amazing to me how leftists use things like orcs, aliens, in this case zombies, to act as stand ins for brown people in order to make a an allegory for racism. It's trite to even say it but leftists are far more racist then any caricature of a right winger they conjure up.>>744509913Even more amusing is he's frequently commenting on videos calling him out for being a retard.
>>744515030>that's psychoticand what he did his whole life until that point isn't?
>>744542167In this case, it’s a tranny metaphor. They say this kind of thing a lot.
>>744521104this type of posts read exactly how foids talk after they get beaten up by a nigger or bad boy covered in tattoos.>How could I know he was going to do that, he was so sweet!!
>>744542550That's an even funnier implication lmao what a self-own
>>744536249>vampiresLarping cannibals.
>>744526810Maybe I've just gotten old and senile but I'm replaying 3 right now and I don't mind tuning into his stationhe's an asshat
>>744517175I am an old man that played Fallout 1 after buying it full price from Babbages and I am not that bothered by anything in F3 besides Harold. Harold was originally a broken down guy that was consumed with despair, but that found a new way to live inspired by the F1 protagonist and even became a leader in Fallout 2. I can only assume that Emil wrote please kill me Harold. It's so structurally similar to the Nate is a war criminal thing as a retarded tone deaf attempt at a callback. But all the 360 kids that talk about fallout online now don't see that because they started at 3.
>>744513989And not even specifically because they're a ghoul. Any wasteland trash would've been screened out
>>744509913Huh...
The bump limit has been reached.
there's a reason Roy and his retards are in a dump of a metro, nobody wants to live with cunts
>>744515030No it isn't, its justiceIf he wanted his clan to not be treated like shit maybe he shouldn't have alienated everyone who would've helped them. You can choose whatever societal frame work you'd like, he's still fucked her chances and takes all blame for being too weak or anti-social to help her
I feel like more people, especially FNVfags, need to replay Fallout 2 and Tactics for fuck's sake play fallout tactics and realize that Bethesda was inheriting a bit of a completely retarded setting when they picked up the Franchise and that while are not sinless and while they did for sure compromise on lot of things for the sake of marketability (to both Fallout grogs as well as newcoming FPS players) for Fallout 3 a lot of the turds when it comes to the setting, quests, "morals" of Fallout 3 were already being churned around in the guts and lower intestines of Fallout 2 and Tactics. A lot of those quests are as short, silly, and morally incomplex as they are in 3, and a lot of 3's biggest worldbuilding faults, like having some characters, creatures, drugs etc from the East cost on the west are directly a result of them trying to still keep the F1--F:Tactics audience on board with their new style of game, or from limitations which came from translating the setting from 2D to 3D on fairly limited console hardware.These faults came through largely because of "cynical" marketing reasons, but given the risk in the product they were creating, they could not have done otherwise-- and Bethesda Fallout did numbers are a result, while being a pretty fair continuation of the series from the most recent games which they had on hand.Don't get me wrong, FNV is my favourite 3D Fallout but it could not have been made from trajectory of the series as it existed from F1 to F2 to Tactics; 3 had to have been made for FNV to be worth anything but shit.I mean, look at what was planned for Van Buren; that shit wasn't gonna save CRPGs
>>744544245>look at what was planned for Van BurenWhat they had "planned" for Van Buren looked pretty awesome. But the actual game would have likely been not as good considering Black Isle's pathetic state at the time.
>>744538732It's the DLC with the most potential, and Bethesda managed to Bethestard it.Basically you're tasked with freeing slaves. Turns out that they are enslaved for their own good. Because before they were enslaved they were basically degens. So either you help degens be free or you keep them enslaved. Would make for a compelling story, right? But then Bethesda pulled this shit:>Slaves act like normal people, the slavers however are all stupid degen raiders>The slaves produce something, not sure what, but it is necessary that they keep producing whatever it is. It's not food, not water, not anything needed for survival.>There's also a mysterious illness that turns people into monsters>Turns out the cure is the head honcho's infant daughter, somehow, so you're tasked with either protecting said kid or to kidnap her to the slave faction so they can research the cure themselves. They will of course not hurt her, so it doesn't really matter for her own well being which side you choose>And head honcho actually wants to free the slaves himself after the cure is produced when his daughter is older>But if you choose to side with the slaves they will still keep slaving away producing whatever it is they are producing, so in essence absolutely nothing changes no matter what side you pick>So either free the slaves so that they can remain slaves, or keep the slave system so that the slaves can become free. No matter what you choose nothing happens.>And for this reason everyone has to go to a big war
>>744538732Cool premise and setting, fun and well acted characters, and absolutely excellent rewards which scale as to how deep your involvement was.Mediocre questing and gameplay, thoughunless you like scavenger hunting, in which case this is the best scavenger hunt Bethesda has ever put in any of their games; very atmospheric and intense the first playthrough
>>744543317I'll admit I played 3 before 1, but both were so, so long ago that I hardly remember anything from either of them and I'm only here because I'm replaying TTW. It genuinely irritates me just how much fandoms obsess over IP continuity and canon. Not Fallout but just fiction in general. If a game or a book is internally consistent what the fuck does it matter if some factoid or other is inconsistent with something from another book? Does your impression of Fallout 3 Harold being shallow/poorly wtitten somehow affect the existence of a completely different self-contained narrative?Fallout 3 deserves plenty of criticism for just the writing by itself being fucking stupid. "it's disrespectful of the contuity of the pre ious game" isn't anything that even approaches the ballpark of valid criticism. A piece of fiction has an obligation of making sense only within its own context and the story it tells.
>>744509635if you are a soi filled bitch
>>744530679Guy who didn't play Fallout 1 & 2.
