they added drive impact to melty blood
>>744533137fucking tragic.Avatar is the last hope for fighting games, and it's pretty sick already so the future is looking a little brighter
>>744533312i have pretty high hopes for both avatar and tokon
>>744533137Play KOF15
>>744533379avatar I can say for sure it's a lot of fun. pretty refreshing, not afraid to be demanding, but also being very approachable.tokon looks alright, but i'm yet to play it so I'll stay open minded until then
>>744533137Isn't it Rev Gauge?
>>744533312Have you thanked Mike Z lately, /v/? He seems to be the only one autistic enough to completely ignore modern trends and just make whatever fighting game he wants. Even with multiple cancellations and slander campaigns against him (some coming from /v/ itself) he manages to come out unscathed just so he can save fighting games.
>>744533825Unfortunate that he picked a franchise I have no connection with.But at least it's big with other people so I'll let them enjoy it.
>>744533137Is that what they call their pistols?
>>744534009Going into most fighting games I had no idea what the franchise was about or any of the characters and I still had fun with it. When I tried Blazblue they were on the third or fourth game and I didn't know who anybody was and it didn't matter. You can enjoy Avatar Legends as a fighting game even if none of the fanservice hits, and you might end up getting some favorite characters just from their interactions or playstyle.
>>744534292I'm one of those autists who refuses to skip games unless they feature completely different casts and settings. I cannot play Witcher 3 before playing Witcher 1 and 2, for example.
>>744533825I'm glad he stuck around, and was able to lead the charge on this. Avatar would have been a much lesser game if it followed current fighting game trends. this game is grimy, sweaty and disgusting, but pulling off some bullshit or mashing buttons has been the most fun I've had with a fighting game in a long time. and watching people solve problems in ways I didn't think a modern game would allow is cool too
>>744533137are clone characters good game design?
Is she right?
Fightan is a brown man's genrehttps://youtu.be/z6wmqHg1JyU?si=XzFjD-YPRY0olvpZ
>>744534009>>744534384Me too.>>744534292I can't explain why I have this autism but I can play an original fighting game about a franchise I know nothing about, like Under Night or Virtua Fighter, and learn about it after playing just fine. But when it's a licensed fighter, I get this feeling that I need to read all of HxH before even trying Nen Impact for example. Avatar looks like an action show without too much violence because it's for kids, with a sequel no one likes but that the game references and draws from, and getting invested into this franchise looks like a bad idea overall.
>>744534526I don't care to even think about MBTL. At least not without more information but my general valueless opinion does not have positive thoughts about it.
>>744533137>got beaten by a twitch streamer\committing seppuku >>744534384i have this kind of autism and its terrible
>Daisuke CapSOVL.
>>744533312>Avatar is the last hope for fighting gamesYou can always play Arcana Heart 3. Nothing is stopping you. It remains the best fighting game ever made. There aren't anywhere close to as many people playing it as there should be. But it is the best game. Try it and you'd agree.
>>744534682>>got beaten by a twitch streamer\Everyone being some fucking influencer or social media faggot really leaves me wishing games had more anonymity functions. I don't wish to win or lose against some streamer and become the target of some absolute schizo because the streamer had my username on screen.
How are you guys feeling about whatever the fuck this is?
>>744534718maybe I should reinstall. it didn't click with me at the time, and I was deep in the SFV mines then so
>>744534718Ugly aesthetic and terrible netcode.
>>744534718>>744534927did they ever add shark girl
>>744534887>lifting slime fighter 6 mechanicsshant be playing
>>744534927>maybe I should reinstall.Do it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xe4z0qn-ZIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lv7T-rM1Tohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL7qgCHIrlchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xJN4tQVeYk
>>744535008They did, but she sucks.Like iirc the Anakaris way in that she's incomplete or something.
i hope those japs are kept in their office 12 hours a day at least to fix the tokon port
>>744534526SF6 proves highly standardized and structured fighting games can be successful and have permission to Tekken to become a coin flip simulator and Tokon to introduce the most aggressive and strict mechanics ever. Strive is pretty standardized but even it is based off the principles of 5
>>744534887Hopefully they get Japanese streamers trying out the game. Having SF6 mechanics should help a ton with both having the Japanese audience understand the game and also making them be able to enjoy it, since it's the only game they like. I dunno what it means for the rest of the world though.
>>744534589The original series is still probably worth watching. It's a cartoon but it's animated well and the story beats are fun. Korra is a mixed bag. At least watching the original you'll understand most of the references.
>>744534875>He doesn't make his username something generic that has dozens of other people using it meaning you can't be targeted across platforms by schizosskill issue.
>>744534887my last thread of cope is that it's an Act Mode only thing
>>744534875you are the absolute schizo here bro
You must post mains to stand a chance
Do you guys keep your fingers always on the buttons just in case of a purple grab? I pretty much always get caught the 1st time, and when I do one in an air combo it nearly always works too.
This shit will be why avatar either succeeds or fails. People have been posting nonstop about character's way to cash put flow for big damage but I can't even remember the last time a fighting game gave you a defensive option as strong as flow stance. I really hope all the people who, rightfully, complain about how weak defense is in modern games actually play this shit even if that also means their auto pilot offense is also making them eat shit now.
>>744534718update the netcode
>get grabbed once>your entire health bar is now goneWhy are there so many unfair fighting games?
>>744535736>I really hope all the people who, rightfully, complain about how weak defense is in modern games actually play this shitPeople complain about weak defense but then ask for Type Lumina shield nerfs, don't play CotW, don't play Avatar. What they mean when they say "in modern games" is "in Street Fighter". They don't want to play your game, they want their game, Street Fighter, to be better. They're complaining as a way of lashing out and out of some misguided hope that Capcom changes things as if they were a western company monitoring social media for balance suggestions or something.
>>744535949It's fun
>>744535736I don't get why people say defensive mechanics are weak in modern fightersflow stance is arguably less strong than drive parry and CotW guard cancels, and TL shield was so good it was part of what killed the game. Not that defensive mechanics in Avatar aren't also really strong, maybe flow guard cancels will go crazy once people figure them out but just the normal flow stance isn't anything crazy for modern games.The problem isn't that defensive mechanics are weak, it's that they're simple and binary and have extremely defined interactions, against simple and binary and equally strong offense. Drive Parry is so strong that meaty throw is the correct oki choice 7 times out of 10 even though it does less than 10% and loses to an easy OS, but the RPS of oki interactions is so simple that every knockdown you're still choosing meaty/throw/shimmy vs block/parry/reversal and that's the entire game. Flow stance eats shit against throws like Parry, even harder even since you get a full combo, but it's not so strong on wakeup that doing anything that loses to it more than 30% of the time is retarded, there's no perfect parry and you still get to a blockstring and unless you overcommit will usually just return to neutral instead of getting punish/punishing, so there's a really wide range of potential outcomes rather than a simple win/lose binary.Avatar also has throw immunity on wakeup so while meaty throw still destroys Flow it whiffs against block unless you delay a lot, and obviously the insane tech rolls and lack of hard knockdowns all of which introduce a ton of variability into offense/defense interactions regardless of how strong the actual defensive mechanics are.
>>744535736People are really sleeping on it. I've been getting away with so much shit I shouldn't be on blockstrings by players who are at least as good as me, so they should be punishing it.They got so used to overwhelming offense that they don't even try to stop me.
jab jab jab xx special xx super
>>744535736who is the game's zoner?
>>744536767Avatar Aang, Katara,, Zuko in that order
qrd on what this guy does?I don't get it, crosshairs just appear on my character
>>744536767Katara, Avatar State Aang, and Zuko can all zone well.
>>744536767Avatar Aang going based what the dev said. He has overall great range and lots of projectiles. Katara can play hit-and-run with her flow movement and has great space controls with her water whips. Plus she can set up ice projectiles after every bnb.Zuko is more like a Shoto but his fireballs are really strong with Mai assist.
avatar game looks fun but the graphics are corny
>>744537140eat the corn
>>744537173it do look like some fun corn...if they add ranked and its still alive in a month I'll prolly get ittokon on the other hand does not appeal to me at all with its gameplay
>>744537236I think the netcode being as good as it is will do some heavy lifting in keeping it aliveno need to run to discords at the slightest player count drop because you don't NEED to fight people from your region, you can fight niggas from far away just fine
>>744536883As of 2.0, his main job is he sucksHe pulls out his gun using 5H, and after something like a second he just fucking shoots you, there's no avoiding it (the gunshot could be backdashed but it's instantaneous and doesn't have any recovery, so he can shoot again)He can't block after pulling out the gun, and if he jumps he puts the gun away, or he can put it away manually (doesn't have any recovery)His 5H is -2, so either he overextends, or disengages with backdash or curseThe other method he can do to force offense is to do his 214S special and do like Neutral shot>Down shot>Cancel>Run up, but he spends most of his resources doing that and you should be able to interrupt himIf he has the gun, he converts off anything, and he's always plusIf he doesn't have the gun, he has good buttons and walk speed but the average player doesn't take advantage of thatAs with every other resource character, you just gotta play the resource on top of the usual
>>744537140it does look like it's made on mugen or flash or something
>>744537813yeah it reminds me of the teen titans fighting gamegood times
>>744537813that means its ensouled
>>744537887Bring it back you cowards
>games spawned from hell and are satanic ritualsSF6COTWtwilumina>blessings from the heavens above to save and heal our soulstekken2xkotokonchoose your side
>>744535965>don't play CotWI play COTW and REV shield there is mega ass. it barely does a dent in defense and people only use it to not die by cheap damage.Just defend is a lesser and more complicated than 3rd strike parries and the only character that can use it best and characters with good dps.I literally went o some locals this weekend and barely see anyone use rev shield at all. just defend was more common but its main use was to avoid chip damage and overheat.
>>744537960>2xko2xko is so fucking dead it is funny. this weekend tourneys had to give slots away for free because less than half of the available slots were not filled.
>>744537776>He pulls out his gun using 5H, and after something like a second he just fucking shoots youok, so when he enters gun stance I get the crosshair on me and he's gonna shoot me? is that how that works? should I chase him when that happens or just hold block and wait for it to come if I'm far away?
>>744535736What's good too that if you read they are going to flow, you can grab em and get BIG damage. And it's not just rps, you really need to get in there or condition it. Not everything leaves you glued to your opponent unlike moderns fgs
+r or xrd?
>>744538396the one you like the most
>>744538396Plus r if you like speed. XRD if you like speed with a lot of slowdowns (I fucking hate roman cancel slowdown like you wouldn't believe)
>>744538189>8 years of dev time for thisI would have tried it if they didn't force the anticheat.
>>744535965If CotW had more characters that look like actual characters designed by actual fighting game devs (Rick, Terry, Mai, Preecha, billy kane, marco, Mr karate, etc.) and the offense and oki had more impact, it would be more popular. I think it's SNK best looking modern game but everything else is just flaccid. Look at a safe jump set up and you'll laugh your ass off at how long you have to wait to time it with little impact. Flaccid animations, flaccid VFX. It's a flaccid game that's good on paper but has no oomph or x-factor.Nobody looks at fucking KEVIN and all the multiple KIMs in a regular GI and thinks "man he's so cool I wanna be like him"
Skullgirls 2 when?
I can't afford tokon until the 13th of August. Have fun without me bros :(
>>744538247>ok, so when he enters gun stance I get the crosshair on me and he's gonna shoot me? is that how that works?He can't immediately shoot you, only once the reticle "locks" onto you>should I chase him when that happens or just hold block and wait for it to come if I'm far away?You wanna chase him, you don't ever want to be blocking his gunshots because he's just gonna mix your shit and you have to hold itIt's the same as Zato, you don't wanna let him pull out Eddie in neutral so you're looking for ways to snipe the little scrimblo
>>744538396+r if you want to sweat, xrd if you want to mash
>>744538704>PreechaPreecha's designs looks like dogshit. I have a buddy who is a TO for big stuff like evo and other nationals so he knows people, he was telling me SNK actually redesigned last minute but wasn't given a reason.
>>744538542they also killed that one cool robot game.real shame>>744538704> and the offense and oki had more impactwhy do people say that?in COTW you get blasted by a 40% combo out of almost any fucking confirm by most characters.
>Tokon next weekGoing to spam HULK so fucking much
I'm learn Korra(Tonraq) because I love wild apes and burning meter like a psychopath.
>>744538710>Censorship issue>Mike Z issue>Future Club issue>Publisher no longer has anyone to work on the original Skullgirls now that Future Club is suing them for unpaid workIt would unironically be a miracle if we ever got Skullgirls 2. The only route I see here is Mike Z and his company (if it even still exists) buying it back for cheap after the publisher is desperate to get rid of it. Then having the goodwill from his recent work (Avatar and I guess Diesel Legacy) making it so twitter kvetching over him being a racist sexist bigote is less effective, then him hiring back Alex Ahad or partnering with him to make a new game, and finally him unfucking the censorship in the original game (possibly due to Alex telling him it was retarded in the first place). It'll never happen.
>>744538704From the outside looking in it's mostly the generic mechanics that don't make it appealing to play. EX spam on offense and rev blow just look annoying to play with, not to mention uninspired
>>744539131Cursed IP...
>>744535965Right on the money. I really don't get why fighting game players are so allergic to anything but their game. I'll try just about anything, but sometimes it feels like I'm in the minority on that.
>>744538762gotcha! I understand nowI'm starting to get a grasp on the game now I think, time to start actually formulating a plan for different matchups now
https://www.twitch.tv/diaphone_possibly the only online avatar tournament to be streamed
>>744539680I hate diaphone too much to stomach that niggahe give psychopath vibes, like if he didn't find success in the fgc he'd be out hunting women and children for sportand his face bothers me
>>744539773i like him but i can see that. him losing his mind over kakeru dropping out of ewc. him berating people that suck like its the most obvious thing. its kinda funny but yeah kinda lacking empathy. i just wish hed lock in on sf6 or something cuz i dont give a flying fuck about tencents 2xko
>>744534887It does 0 damage, fucks your most important resource, and leads to no comboIt is a mickey mouse shit mechanic that will be annoying but irrelevant
>>744539773most white timmy fgc are like thateither "chill" "funny" guys that are like one thought away from comering triple homicide (like jcroft for example) or le snarky nasal voice "umm akshually" ones (sajam)
>>744539773he is clearly very autistic and hides behind being normal/attractive looking so he doesn't seem as outwardly autistic as someone like say idom
>>744534718sorry to burst your hopes and dreams but the FGC always cared more about aesthetics over mechanics, Thems Fightan Herds is a great example. and since the biggest FGC influencer is a capcom / Banda/ ASW shill, indie games have little to no chance of surviving
>15 year old chilean wins half a milly in sf6he just saved chiles economy
>>744540056>2xkoI'm surprised anybody is even still on that ship
>>744533825>he manages to come out unscathedhe literally had to banish himself from social media and events just to stay in good graces with future employment. him being a great programmer/ designer helped companies not toss him aside as a risk though.
How do we stop the EX juggle slop epidemic that has taken over this genre for the last decade or so?
>>744540248I'm chilean and I didn't know about this. lolI even met kane blue river before the evo.
>>744540449well it did happen yesterday
>>744540412cotw is even worse with that then kof15
>>744540449he unc-checked a bunch of geriatrics with sf6's groundbreaking new mechanics
>>744540248>SF6 child prodigy of the week
>>744540248>born the same year umvc3 came out
the fgc has been focused on making fighting games more like old games and fighting games themselves have been headed more in a direction of increased aggression without many big fundamental shakeupswhat is a !!!!NEW!!!!! mechanic or direction that you would be excited to see a fighting game take?
>>744540624trigger warningthere are children being born right now
>>744540636what else can be done that hasn't been at least attempted by some weird game in the 90s? i guess there still isn't technically a fighting game roguelike.maybe a fighting game that uses a points system like boxing?
>>744539390>I really don't get why fighting game players are so allergic to anything but their game.Because you're autistic. You wanna play a fighting game to mix someone up, to zone someone, to laugh at them getting command grabbed three times in a row, to lab combos, to lab pressure, etc. Most people buy fighting games because they have a connection to the characters, because they look cool, or because of the community. Rosterfags are making Tokon wishlists for example. Notice people asking for, let's say, Psylocke or Daredevil, don't give a fuck what they play like. They just wanna roleplay and get immersed in the Marvel world by playing a character they like. Even if they enjoy zoners, if the character they like is a grappler instead, they will play the grappler. SF6 is popular partially because tons of people have nostalgia for the franchise. That's also why no Smash clone will ever succeed.
>>744540550we need more southern chileans. the ones from the north are... too brown.
>>744540729bullshit, how can that be true if I'm not having sex?
>>744540636fighting game/arena shooter hybrid idk
>>744540926yes you aredon't look back.
How the FUCK do I beat Grappler Ozai's?
my leverless arrives soon finally...I really should've just payed 20 extra bucks and got it off amazon instead of aliexpress1 day delivery vs a week
I activated the code SNK gave me don't see AoF3 in my library. Is it normal?
>Avatar is the best new fighting game in a decade mechanically>don't give a single shit about the IP or any of the characterssad
>>744540636no combos, everything is interactable all the way through grabs and knockdowns
>>744541182you'll be defeated 1 hit ko regardless.
>>744541149This but Tokon
>>744540125>adding a technique that almost always works that is available at almost any time to your mental stack will be "irrelevant"It exists solely to make the game worse for everyone except total shitters who desperately want at least one "yeah I got him!" moment in their match before dropping the game forever.
>>744541050the only thing I've found so far is that abusing high/low crushes with flow stance forces them to play the game more normally instead of just blasting you and grabbing you. When they have advantage you just have to pick a hard call option and pray they guess wrong.
I just invite form SNK to test AoF3 rollback beta, where i can find some guide about the game itself /v/ros?
>>744541380At least capeslop heroes still look cool, as opposed to a cast of 80% brown children
>>744540323>and eventsSomeone posted a picture of him recently at an event. He got fatter and older but nobody seemed to mind him being there. Bluesky, despite having sky in their name, ironically doesn't actually go outside to events.
>>744541445they're inuit, actually...
FGC fags always seem like they are in a perpetual drought>*cough cough* Invincible....will save us....will revolutionize the FGC>*dies*>I meant uh....2XKO....it will bring in the players and save us>*dies*>...A-avatar....>*in the process of dying once casuals predictably drop it*>...just a crumb....of Tokon....*cough*God damn, have some standards, man.
>>744540738>i guess there still isn't technically a fighting game roguelike.There's been at least three. One was out on itch and two are coming out on Steam. Way more if you count the psuedo rogue-like modes in Arcsys games.
>>744541798>NOOOOOOOOO JUST PLAY ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLYRetard?
>>744541837>have no standards and "le support all heckin' fighting games!"No thanks.
>>744541837This is the norm in basically every other multiplayer genre
>>744541959Wait until you find out what kusoge means
>>744540248Another Slime rusher prodigy? Damn.
>>744541436Up?>>744541078Happened to me aswell, i guess we gotta wait
>>744541798truth nukeand the ones who only play one game do nothing but bitch about how terrible it is
>>744539773>>744540056>>744540140>browns and nigcels seething at white ecelebIts like im on resetera or reddit. You forgot to call him "corny".
>>744533312>le already dead fighting game is le savior to the le dying le genre le le lekill yourself faggot. if you whiny fags played the games you shill half as much as you spend crying about SF6’s superiority then maybe your shit discord fighter would have a chance.
>>744540738>a fighting game roguelikethat's like saying you want a first person third person shooter
>>744542227corny
>>744541952no the norm is playing one for a while then getting tired of it and playing something new
I trusted Kamone and now I am mad.
>>744542227I'm whiter than you
>>744533312Avatar will die in a month. It's so incredibly obvious that it's going to bomb that I feel like an alien when I see shills and retards talking about how it's going to be a smash hit.
>>744542365No you're not Juan de la siesta.
>>744541445I love ancient Chinese aesthetics and kung-fu shit but for some reason Avatar doesn't do it for me.>>744540738>i guess there still isn't technically a fighting game roguelike.Do you mean a roguelike mode in a fighting game? Both Tobal games and Ehrgeiz already did it back in the 90s and it's arguably better than the actual fighting game part. Killer Instinct did it too. 2xko added one recently, I think.
>>744541405Burning yourself out in Twi-Lumina is basically an immediate loss because you give your opponent infinite drive gauge
>>744542408its already dead bro.
>>744539773I just don't like the naked shilling of whatever is newLike nigga you quit your dayjob to allegedly start winning shit, lock in on a game or just admit you're a content monster.
>>744533312>Avatar is the last hope for fighting games>combo slop Yea sure buddy. It would have been a good hope if it wasn't combo slop garbage.
>>744533312>hope for fighting gamesI think fighting games are in a good spot right now. There's like 10 good ones on Steam you can play at any moment and there's more on Fightcade (and a few to come). I guess there's no good SF if you hate SF6 and no good Tekken if you hate T8, but then again just play other fightans.
>>744542567diaphone never said he goes pro he always said he wants to le lock in streaming and content creation. hes winning online tourneys.
>>744542659He doesnt even stream every day
>>744542567>lock in on a gameHe did. He heavily focused on CotW and got rekt. Then he tried to win AoF3 because the level of competition is lower, he got rekt there too.
SF 6 is overrated dogshit. It's going to be the thing that kills fighting games.
>>744542605>95% damage off one confirm into superOkay what am I missing here? Is it because he's gold?
>>744535736I have no interest in playing a 2 touch fighter. They are not fun.
>>744542738He also said Invincible VS was a game he could see himself playing for a "long time" and then as soon as Zippy supplanted him as the top NA player he lost interest and basically never streamed it again
just two more weeks, xister. have faith, our science gods will provide and bring and end to big bad meanie capcums goliath of a fighter.
>>744542778burnout makes the 7 bar super instakill
>>744542732hes a lazy bum yes i also dont follow him that much but still i remember exactly what he was saying while dropping his job also i was suprised that nigga was bio engineer like what the fuck.
>Tokon has more CEO entries than T8Kek
>>744542567>I just don't like the naked shilling of whatever is newYou could say the same thing about most FGC "content creators" (shills). Max, Diaphone, Sajam, Brian_F, etc. They jerk off a new HYPE game to completion and then never say another word about it and the game collapses overnight. Why anyone watches these shills is beyond my comprehension. It's like I'm watching a used-car salesman pitch me a million dollar car in perfect condition that was owned by Elvis.
>>744540248>literally won by DR into DI that was guarded but for some reason DI will still cause a fucking wall splat when you're not in burnoutSF 6 is pure fucking garbage and I'm tired of people pretending it's good. It's awful.
which is exactly why I watch LTG, he hates everything
>>744542605the way he jumps up offscreen in the same frame of animation...
>>744542932why dont (You) go for that easy half mil next time bro? good luck.
>>744542847Makes sense.
>>744542659He did. He got sponsored for CotW and tried hard to get that EWC money, he just failed and is trying to fall back into content creation now.>>744542732I assume this is due to the smart way he went about it. He left his job but still does consulting for his old company. There are days where he still has to work. He didn't give up on his job completely.
>>744542882did brian even do anything with invincible? his interest in games seems more genuine
>>744541436https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE9z9owlbf8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-6NY1lneFUhttps://mizuumi.wiki/w/Art_of_Fighting_3
>muh fagtubersyou faggots will truly do anything except actually pick up a controller and play a FG huh?
>>744542882>You could say the same thing about most FGC "content creators" (shills). Max, Diaphone, Sajam, Brian_F, etcthese guys are all cancer to fighting games and yes you could say the same about every single one of them
>>744542882>not a single non white eceleb mentioned like JWong whos massive whore who shills literal AI slop or that faggot lotusNoticing.
>>744543829the successful sellouts are mostly white because they're smarter
>>744541798most of the fgc is only in it for the social aspect. once the game stops getting discussion or updates? they're gone no matter if it's still easy to get matches
>>744533137Is that Auron's illegitimate son on right?
>>744540412New SNK games look SO GOOD... when they are in the sprite resolution (~300px). Once you zoom in they look like shit.I don't fucking know how they managed to do that.
>>744544241they're kinda like gamefreak, they design 3d games as if they're sprite games so they look like shit
>>744538189>this weekend tourneys had to give slots away for free because less than half of the available slots were not filled.what? context?
>>744534887I was dooming about it at first but after watching the matches a few times while paying a lot of attention to it, it actually seems pretty weak. I still don't think I'll like it, but it doesn't seem nearly as annoying as drive or raging strike or wild assault.
>>744538710As much as I love Skullgirls as a package and love its cast I really didn't enjoy playing it even in its "2nd Encore is still fresh" prime let alone now. The whole game being built on avoiding IPS into disgusting 3-5 way mix resets made it really annoying and in terms of control it's really split between trying to be a Y2K-era Capcom game and trying to be GGXX in a way that just feels odd. I say this finding Big Band a Top 10 (maybe Top 5) character in the genre in terms of overall fun factor.I will play TFH or Avatar over SG any day of the week, or at least TFH before the publisher fucked it over at the last minute. Diesel Legacy is good execution of a flawed premise, good for casual fun with a friend but turning Guardian Heroes lanes into a 2v2 fighting game is just a ton of bullshit.
I still don't know how to use chipps tightrope.
>tokon beta ran fine on my pc despite not being the best>still worried it might run like ass on release>could get it cheaper elsewhere but no steam refundshard choice
>>744544709just wait a day
>>744544514at komite arena 2026 this year, a Latin America tourney heavily sponsored by riot to promote 2xko, we had brackets for every multiple games. even sf2 was one of the main titles, together with other ESL games like kof, fatal fury and grand blue versus.However, to play on main event games, like the one previously mentioned, you have to pay a small fee. almost no one showed up to 2xko so they had to quickly scramble a bunch of random players that never played the game at all just to fill in the fucking brackets. most of the side tourneys had more people than 2xko. It is simply not a game that got anyone's attention, not even the Brazilians who play league in droves.
>>744544709the fun part is even if it runs fine on your pc if it doesn't for the other guy you still get double digit single sided rollbacks
>>744541798I just play the games that I like. The constant game wars in fighting games is akin to the console wars on 4chan. It just gets old. That being said, I do like the fact that many fighting games can be released in parallel these days. I can't keep up with everyone or every game, but I definitely have options.>>744534887I'm watching the gameplay demo now. I'm having trouble determining how the resources work, but I'm hoping it's situational and not something that will dominate interactions. There was already enough to keep track of with moon drive and clash frames on moon skills. I'm looking forward to seeing what has changed with other characters. Haven't played Type Lumina in 2 years.
>>744544709i hate unreal engine 5 so much
>>744544740true, I did check was the preorder bonus actually was because I thought it was howard, no it was these things so yeah I can wait>>744544876this is also true, I really hope they iron out that before release
Oh so avatar is gonna be the "x game will save fighters" replacement for anime fighter/mvc niggas after 2xko flopped and twi lumina is obviously just an altered turd despite avatar likely going the same route as 2xko. Speaking of how many dqs were there for 2xko at evo? Think it was enough that strive would've been 3rd considering all the dqs for that and the free Evo ticket smash game.
>>744544678Yeah. Skull Girls is kind of a case study of stuff that might happen when you have a combo system that is too freeform and full of "infinites", and instead of trying to reel it back somehow you implement some stopgap solution that just leads players to abuse it in a different way.
>>744544873>However, to play on main event games, like the one previously mentioned, you have to pay a small fee. almost no one showed up to 2xko so they had to quickly scramble a bunch of random players that never played the game at all just to fill in the fucking brackets.that's um, dire. Jesus I know the game has fallen off but thats just sad.
>>744534887If making a bunch of COTW's mechanics mirror SF had no boost in playercount or viewing popularity what makes them think it's going to work for Melty? SNK literally threw every type of pandering imaginable between SF guests, anime bullshit, celebrities, ect and the game is still barely recognized
>>744545071Avatar is gonna be the contrarian pick when people talk modern games, when someone say they rather enjoy Tokon or SF6 some fag will go "umm ackshually Avatar is a REAL fighting game hmmmmmmmmmm"
>>744542534how does it feel being the worst poster
>>744533825I still see people hating on him and I don't get whyAnyone who's enough of a bum to even know he is likely is aware that he was found innocent during the Skullgirls melodrama surely
>literally lost all my matches since Friday
>>744542740I don't care for City of the Wolves because it just feels a bit janky to me, it has that same stubby movement issue a few other fighters have nowadays tooBut apparently lots of Japanese fans complained to SNK that it's too hard to play, SF6 is also mega popular in Japan too, that sucks in my opinion.
>>744545790deserved DESU
>>744545071I tried 2XKO and didn't like it. I tried Avatar and liked it. It's really just that simple, the game is just fun. Enough people found it fun too that they're willing to make it a main stage game at CEO.Hopefully it lasts a good while. I don't care about saving the FGC, I don't make money from it, I just want to play fun games.
Is Invincible Vs already dead
>>744545915yes since it gathered the mk playerbase that rage quits after a single combo
>>744545914>I don't care about saving the FGC, I don't make money from it, I just want to play fun games.Based
>>744542867Do Tekken players still hate Tekken 8 and only play it because they have nothing else current to play or has it improved now
>>744546087its still shit and yes tekken players still play it
>spent 4 hours last session getting to high master>MR reset happened the next dayGoddammit
>move does nothing initially>sets off a timer that forces the opponent to hit you otherwise they get fuckedI fucking love Wings of Light, any other moves like that?The only thing I can think that comes close is Nine's Nephrite
>>744546169 ranked is basically unplayable this early in the phase too
>>744542802What major game out now isn't two touch? I think it will be two touch but flow is so strong defensively that the player pushing offense is way more liable to eating shit from the defender that interactions are going to be more meaningful.
Play Fighters Destiny or Toy Fighter
>>744544678Man, TFH is such a great fucking game. Too bad its "presentation" pushed away retards who can't see anything beyond the surface level.God damn I love Velvet
Nobody gives a shit about Type Flopina anyway. It's really funny that they're going to alienate the niche playerbase it does have though.
>>744546087It's improved slightly but the main issues with it relate to the core mechanics that no one likes and are likely unfixable
Im sure the patch that drops in a few hours will fix everything wrong with SF6, unlike all the other patches of the last 3 years
>>744546297based velvetfag, whoever designed that character needs to keep working.
>>744546297A shame yeah, a happy accident causing a new IP of exclusively 4-legged characters lead to a genuinely interesting game given how basically every hitbox/hurtbox had to be designed a bit differently. Music is insane too, the dynamic system that changes the instrumentation while keeping the same melody is so sick. For me it's Texas & Pom.
>>744546395calling it now, the biggest change the patch is gonna have will be Marisa's 5LP~LP target combo and 2LP>DRC>2LP not needing counterhits to work anymore
>>744546235Fighter's Destiny is so fucking interesting mechanically. Toy Fighter I haven't played yet but its mechanics seem a little more traditional in comparison despite being built on the same bones. I really need another fighting game with point-based wincons. Dojo Masters is cool but each character's toolset is so bite-sized and its playerbase is quite small.
>>744546530Good patch.
>>744534685Holy he's still got it.
>>744546717unironically she needs it, but I was mostly making a joke at how it's not that huge of a change
931738657fatal fury room for anyone who wants to play.
>>744538710Squigly, easy on the burgers...
>>744535452Sorry man, only games I actually play
>>744533312A unfinished fighting game, based on a dead brand, being released around the same time as another more popular title, is suddenly the savior of the genre. Avatar fags are delusional thinking this crap was going to make anything, but a blip.
>>744546974>931738657room gone?
>>744535452How many of those games do you even play actively?
>>744546224whys that?
>>744546772More than "she needs it" is why the fuck doesn't she have it? She is the ONLY character in the game that can't confirm her jab into DR on normal hit
they should add faust to smash bros
>>744537960You should be flayed and salted just for putting Tekken in that section.>>744546087Tekken players still hate 8 and a fair amount have left but unfortunately a bunch haven't and it went so full retard it attracted mk players and others who either haven't played Tekken in years or have picked up 8 as theyir 1st fighter/Tekken to stick with it so it doesn't matter what happens now. Ultra cattle fanbase game.
why can't toph have a real command grab, can't really tick throw with this shit.
>>744538710Never ever ever, too many rights issues and the devs are scattered to the winds. If you want a Mike Z sequel with a different character designer/artist you have Diesel Legacy, but be warned that that game has literally zero players, it can't even get a match going via Discord more than once every couple weeks. Shame because it's very fun.>>744544678With luck, GGI will unfuck TFH at least a little. I'll settle for the DLC characters getting nerfed and Velvet's chip damage buff being at least partially reverted since they clearly never tested it. If we're really lucky we'll get at least Chapter 2 of story mode (alleged to be 90% done by the devs in 2022), though I wouldn't hold my breath for Chapter 3 and beyond
>>744547215no. still there. but connection must be 3+
>>744547483you can hold her grab. it executes late and does more damage
>>744547531>931738657ive been filtered by being american i guessty tho
>>744547613try this one663323333
>>744546530dude if Marisa gets that I'd be so happyI like playing her even in her current bottom 5 state because I love gorillasand I like her design but a buff like that would do wonders
>>744546175Naoto in P4U/BBTag has supers that instant kill if you hit the opponent with other stuff first
>>744547490I like the gangster check and the police mech but the game is kind of a mess. A fun mess, but one that's best just messing around and not trying to be optimal; unfortunately at its best it needs 4 people and like you said it is dead.
>>744547335I think because lights used to not have extra scaling, they were initially scared that she would be shitting out damage from lights if that workedThen they just forgotAlso Dhalsim still needs meter to convert his lights into any kind of knockdown lol
>>744547393Hero is the Faust function.
>>744541424Thanks for the advice, I still got my ass reamed but I got a few Ws under my belt.
>>744542243SF6 sucks cock bro and is a jap e celeb merchant, it has ass player count outside of nip time, every other tournament the 27th 15 year old “prodigy” wins too, game is shit
>>744548564SF6's lowest player count triples your game's peak lil bro, hold that
>>744547613is it you in the room?
>>744548640Post your SF6 hours played
>>744547748I've heard about it, that's more along the lines of a multi-step game plan like Phoenix Wright in UMVC3 imoReally both Nephrite and WOL are just ultra-delayed setplay options
>>744548294actually thats peach
ATTENTIONI WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH MEG FROM GRANBLUE FANTASY VERSUS: RISINGthat is all is she fun to play i kind of want to try her out
>>744548836Post a picture of you begging on your knees and I'll consider it
>>744549072Why do you shill a game you don’t play
>>744547262All of them
>>744549234Based multi fighter enjoyer
ggs Tizoc chad
>>744547613if that was you in the room ggs, dude, your billy is great
I hate numpad notation
>>744549571yes it was, ty
>SF6 will never have this much sauceFeels bad bros. On a related note, it's a shame Omega never saw any real high level play.https://youtu.be/1F-Uj0FD-_4
>>744549003Peach is too consistent to be Faust. Bob-omb and beam are non factors 9/10 matches and she can still win without stichface. Hero and Faust have a sort of gambling mini-game baked into their kit.
>>744549637ill create the room again later this week. Ill make ft10 next time.really need a fucking arcade stick asap. lots of unintended move came out.
>>744549843i'll join a cotw room sometime, not that i've ever played it vs actual people and just vs ai
>>744549148I'm not proving anything to a random online that spends all day crying about games he doesn't like
>>744549793Gen infinite unfortunately gave everyone the excuse needed to never touch it.
>>744547685>amazing wedding dress design shown in key art>added early into the game>has dopey looking pleated pants instead of letting her godlike legs rock out even though her default shows them offHuge fumble.
https://x.com/2bifox1/status/2083647711488696485
>>744549050She has a nice butt but unfortunately a rabid lesbian has laid claim to her.
https://x.com/MARVELTokon/status/2083976224934658322 man daisuke is a good artist
>>744550516some of his stuff is a bit zesty like that one gg strive season art he did but i still really like his art
>>744534685>>744550516kino
>>744539131cartwright was the animation director though wasn't she? and it looked like 90% of the official artstyle was her work. There's no way a Skullgirls 2 would look the same after her nuking the studio.
>>744545071>>744545374Wasn't/Isn't COTW the pick when people talk about current FGs that are actually good, and not dumbed-down slop? KOF 15 too, but I guess that's not really a current-gen game.
>>744533825Funny because Skullgirls was derivative as shit and he was in denial of how fucking retarded the juggle limit system was resulting in retarded loops he's gonna have 2 flops now
>buy Melty Blood Type Lumina on release day>it dies>Twi-Lumina is announced, expect it to be an expansion for Type Lumina, so reinstall it thinking it's coming back>Twi-Lumina is actually its own standalone gameYeah, fuck no. I'm not making this mistake twice. Go fuck yourselves, devs. End yourselves.
>>744546235>>744546668Fighter's Destiny is just the most unique thing. Someone needs to explore point-based fighters again.
>>744551013CotW was the pick for SNK fanboys and people specifically looking for something close to the idea of a modern SF without drive rush and throw loops.Avatar is pulling people upset with Arcsys, French Bread, and all the recent tag fighters.>>744551375All you had to do is look at UNICLR to UNI2.
>>744551375Type Lumina was 5 years ago, and all the additional material was free. Are you really that upset? It's probably going to be 50 bucks just like the previous game.>>744551479Even UNICLR was free(if you had ST). You only had to pay if you wanted Londrekia.
SF6 drive like mechanics, free neutral skip and BURNOUTS is the future of fighting games now. Go hope for Virtua Fighter Crossroads if you want to.
Will it live up to the hype?
>>744551829>Go hope for Virtua Fighter Crossroads if you want to.I bet it is going to have neutral skip button too.>>744551871it will be pretty good at release but shortly after will become a discord fighter, just like DBFZ
>>744551375Type Lumina not only wasn't full price on release but literally all of its DLC characters were free.
>>744534887It's just like that shit they added to GBFV. It doesn't crumple or lead to a combo, so it will probably be largely inoffensive. I'm more interested in how the new metered system will function, because it kinda seems like a cap on moon drive moves while also being an abstraction of blood heat. I'm also just really glad EX shield is back and we are rid of that RPS system.
>>744551751All that additional free material and it still fucking died. I don't expect Twi-Lumina to be any fucking different, and for that reason, I'm out.
>>744551892DBFZ was never a discord fighter, lobbies were always active
>>744551892DBFZ was relatively popular until bad balance patches completely killed it to be fairI forget if it was an ArcSys balance patch or a Bandai Namco balance patch that killed the game off
won
>>744552019The moment arcsys gave the development to bamco, it went all to shit instantly.
>>744551979Is your complaint about having to buy a new game or the player count? People have short attention spans. If you're not constantly marketing and updating the game over time, most will drop off. It's also a niche fighting game based on a damn visual novel. I don't know how many people you expected to stick around, but it's your choice to make.>>744551892>DBFZNever did get to join in on that game.
>>744551179Go back to looking for work, Mariel
So what is the ACTUAL reason why all their fighting games keep flopping? People always said that there's no more room for other fighting games since SF6 and Tekken have their spots, but games like Strive, Avatar, Tokon, etc. have all proven that thinking is bullshit.What is it exactly that makes SNK games so unappealing to everyone?
>>744540738>fighting game roguelikethe closest i can think of a roguelike system in a fighting game's pvp mode is probably the existence of items in stuff like Alien Challenge or smash bros>points systemi guess Fighter's Legacy but the system there's probably more based on judo
>>744551892>just like DBFZYou didn't play DBFZ. Just lying out of your ass.
>>744552085It's both. They could have brought a resurgence had they handled things better. And I wouldn't have mind paying just a little bit more for an expansion. I wouldn't have expected it to be free. But a standalone when I already had bought TL and it dies the way it does? How is TwiL gonna be any different. I actually hope it fucking dies as fast as it does. Let those who hadn't bought TL but get TwiL feel my pain.And for those who got TL and still plan to get TwiL? Well, whatever, it's your fucking money. I ain't making that mistake again twice.
>>744535509you can hold barrier to tech and have your fingers near enough, with practice/experience the purple grab window is so large its basically something you automatically react toAt a low level sure go nuts it'll work extremely often no one knows what they're doing lol
>>744552764It's not like I'm expecting TwiL to do very well myself and I'm hesitant on how likely it is that the game will be any good but it's just such a ridiculous ask. It's been 6 years. The original release was a much better value as far as cash to content goes than most modern fighters. There're massive overhauls. You wanted to what, pay 30 bucks for an expansion that'd requires the base game instead of 50 bucks for a new title and you think that would've gotten the game more life than a new release? The logic here is just total nonsense, a new release is just far more sensible.
>>744551871Depends on how much they've changed and how fast the shit people were doing at high levels disseminates to the lower ones. If day 2 at all skill levels everyone's stuck in 20 second block strings being forced to guess right on three mixups before they can attempt their one defensive mechanic that would be counterable on reaction if they tried it any earlier it probably won't live that long.
>>744552515the good parts of them aren't good enough to outweigh the extremely generic parts. They were carried by their master sprite artists, now that they look as budget as they always have been there's nothing calling new players.
>>744533137Sf6 sucks dick, but I would buy it if they either add makoto or if they add highly detailed sex scenes with the female characters
>>744546297i liked the visuals but not the gameplay desu
>>744552903So what, the people who have TL and want to stick with it are just left in the dust? You condone these practices? Having the playerbase split? No wonder the community is the way it is. Peak consumerism behavior.
>>744552515>they never listen to their oldheads when it comes to gameplay design>every game either looks FUCK ugly (KOFXIV) or mediocre/soft ugly (Samsho)>took until fatal fury for their 3D to even look vaguely appealing to a human, and it still has its moments and bad angles in key supers>they are so desperate for new blood that they keep adding random zoomer mechanics to every game to try and get new players excited and winning quickly, but these mechanics are always dogshit (Samsho Issen, KoFXIV max mode, KOFXV armor move, Fatal fury rev blow/wild punish)>OSTs have been getting steadily worse and worse over time too>netcode has been a gamble, FF netcode seems great at leastThey just suck ass at what they do, most of their old characters are beloved enough but all of their new characters desgins look like someone who HATES new-gen designs made them out of spite.They could fix this by either appealing only to new players (like strive did, ignoring GG oldheads) or appealing only to oldheads and people who want a more fun less SF6-ized experience overall. But they won't because SNK are actually just making games for one saudi prince now and don't need sales or player counts. Come on nigga look at their recent picks for FF characters literally no one is designed to sell well and there are basically no women in the game.
>>744553270>most of their old characters are beloved enoughNobody cares about SNK characters aside from Mai and maybe Terry.
>>744553354>he doesn't know about the army of rock larpers that have existed since cvs2
>>744552636have 100 hours on it at least
>>744553354i would argue iori and kyo are pretty loved.
>>744553262What the fuck kind of insane take is this. If they forced the update through the original MBTL then it becomes impossible to play MBTL outside of local pirate copies. Anyone who liked it will be forced to play without moon gauges, half the meter available, MBTL shields removed, etc. A new release means the final patch of MBTL remains available for whoever the fuck wants to play it.And seriously man the playerbase is small enough that the people on it already have to seek each other out external to the game in order to find good matches. No one is being split by the new title. What the fuck sort of insane take are you on.
>>744552903I think it boils down to him wanting the game to be more consistently populated than it was. He's just mad that he spent money on something that didn't last for him, and I get that. He's still being unreasonable.It's not exactly Type Moon's fault that the game died, though. Progress on the actual VN the game is based on was slow, and competing with Capcom and other Arcsys games is no small task. Can't expect AAA results from a niche game.>>744553354Vanessa's one of my favorite characters, so I was happy to have her return to XV.
>>744552515Graphics that look 2 generations old, Saudi ownership and the fact that nobody gives a shit about SNK IPs or characters in 2026. There are a few character outliers like Mai or Angel, but for the most part it's a bunch of literal who characters in literal who franchises.imo it's really damning that Avatar and Melty Blood have more IP appeal than anything SNK. Most people have been complaining about the guest characters, but I can't blame SNK because they must also know that nobody gives a fuck about the likes of Fatal Fury, Duck King, etc.Odd that they would revive AoF after all that though, that is an even bigger unknown than FF.
BBCF reviving afg was the right call. No wonder Twi Lumina's announcement isn't enough.
>>744552515SNK games will never appeal to american crowds, they weren't big there back in the day and nostalgia is that big of a deal when we're talking about fighting games
*Ribbit Ribbit*
>>744552515Samsho could have made it. It still looks good thanks to the unique art style and it's different enough from all modern games to find its own niche. They just completely and totally fumbled the launch and support.
>>744552903>The original release was a much better value as far as cash to content goes than most modern fightersHow did it fumbled though?
>>744553576>I think it boils down to him wanting the game to be more consistently populated than it wasThing is that even if that's the case, there's no reason to expect a paid expansion to a game which lost its playerbase so quickly would bring people back to the title. Granblue Versus Rising is the most successful revival of a failed fighter we have in history, a new release drives a lot of people to check out a title because it makes promises to existing players that changes will be radical and a large amount of content will be included, while giving new players a clear entry point without the ambiguity expansions bring in.There's a ton to complain about in regards to Twi Lumina. The introduction of a drive/raging strike/wild assault system is always a bad sign. We still don't have any more fucking character reveals so it seems unlikely we'll have many additions with the limited time left to show them off, simple input modes are always a terrible fucking sign even if the mechanic doesn't intrude on actual play, they had no fucking confidence to show us any of the actual content, but like, the release situation is the best possible one we could ever get. It's almost certainly going to be sold below market standard pricing.
>>744533312i like some of the game's degeneracy but i don't like the characters, they look bland as fuck
It's wild how hard smash won, and the fgc and vappa lost
>>744553931We're not in disagreement. I did say he was being unreasonable.
>>744553887JEDER
>>744552515They look ugly and cheap, plus they are too complicated for casuals to pick up, and in cotw case too similar to SF6
>>744553889>Samsho could have made it.
>>744533825woolie and pat from castle super beast told me mike z is a terrible person so i won't thank him for shit
>>744553917MBTL was just ass and its netcode was fucked on release. It actually sold very well which a lot of people don't realize, like, half a Strive, which is really good because it was probably made on a quarter of the budget, but people hated the game.They actually spend the next few years building up good will by fixing as many of the problems as they could without completely rebuilding the game (before they decided to completely rebuild the game) but the foundational issues were so bad that it's still kind of gross to play today. The Twi Lumina situation is basically, the players have a lot of faith in the devs, but no faith in the actual games because MBTL sucked so bad.It's the opposite of Granblue's situation where Granblue got dealt the worst fucking hands possible but survived for so long and became the 4th biggest fighter for a time because people liked the actual game so much. MBTL got dealt a fantastic hand and dropped the ball so hard on it that people didn't want to give it a second chance even after all the patches and a bunch of free DLC characters so now the sequel is entering with a ton of scrutiny.
>>744533825why do people not like him again?
>>744552515They keep charging full price for there games when they are not worth full price
>>744553739>Graphics that look 2 generations oldAvatar looks like a flash game and its still doing well.>>744553826>they weren't big there back in the dayGuilty Gear had little to no american crowd and Strive still blew up in popularity>>744553889>Samsho could have made it.lol>>744554017>They look ugly and cheapAgain, look at Avatar.Invincible VS may be dead now, but I bet you that game also sold more than Fatal Fury.
>>744540550nice, fuck that fat piece of shit
>>744552515visually the games look cheap as fuck and snk balance doesnt make top 8's hype for secondaries. capcom has also done decades of branding work to make sure that for normalfags fighting game = street fighter. snk's uncbait characters are all literal whos in north america. the best thing they had going for them tournament-wise was samsho being everybody's sidegame along with filling the weapon-fighter niche but they killed that game hard people keep trying to argue for cotw being worth it because it's a more old school game but people who like old games just play the old games they already like
>>744554163he made fun of saint floyd on stream
How to play Yuuki Terumi blazblue
>>744552515in south America kof is pretty fucking strong.It never appealed to me because of these>KOF requires you to learn 3 fucking characters>all character have a shitload of different moves and their command moves and supers usually are not that intuitive. doing some of those in a pad is a fucking pain>4 fucking types of jumps feels like a hassle, never really got to do those right.>rounds are explosive even without meter, one wrong move and you are fucked>>744554304the only thing cotw has compared to old games is dogshit balance lmao. they have no idea of what they are doing there. just throwing shit at a wall hoping something sticks.
>>744554234the fuck did the fat piece of shit do?
>>744554203Avatar looks cheap but it makes up for it with a license that is relatively big, bigger than Fatal fury at least, same with Invincible Vs. It also plays better
>>744554203Strive is literally playable anime as well as being really dumb easy to play, I'd call it the japanese MK with how dumb it is, you don't need nostalgia for that because anime is huge
>>744554468thats menard. he is south american and beat daigo.
>>744554203I started with plus r after strive was already out, strive just kinda sucks.
>>744554468he plays blanka
>all this talk about how SNK games keep floppingSo how do you make a successful SNK game?
>>744554548Damn he’s fat
>>744554548I know man, I was just refering to mena the same way the other guy did.>>744554638fair?
>>744554663>good graphics>engaging singleplayer content>banging OST>top tier netcodeJust do what SF6 did, actually treat the average consumer like a real person and not disposable trash.
>>744554663KOF, but you really have to dumb it down for casuals and the graphics have to look next Gen.Also the roster needs to launch with 40+ characters at minimum and they need to have the same DLC pace as CotW.And they need to include a huge single player story mode.
>>744554203>Guilty Gear had little to no american crowd and Strive still blew up in popularityThis
>>744534718The netcode and horrid lobby system are stopping me.
>>744533312Plus R and CF existing is really all the genre needed to be eternal, so it’ll pretty much never die.
I know reminded myself that KOFXIII once had an actual story mode and SNK never did it again. Same thing as the pre battle dialogue interaction. EVERY character has it and they lowered it to some characters in future releases.
>>744554663>Make the graphics better>Make the gameplay easier>Advertise a robust single player story mode>Replace most of the old cast with new characters that don't look like shit>Stop being owned by Saudis>New IP also wouldn't hurt, names like Samsho and Art of Fighting are always going to sell like shitThey do all that and maybe it could be the 6th most popular fighting game because no way is an SNK game ever going to be more popular than SF, Tekken, Guilty Gear, Marvel or Mortal Kombat.
>>744554663You need to pull a strive and dumb down the gameplay, give it a really top tier art style, and get lucky and launch at the right time. Good single player content is also necessary these days I guess.
>>744534718What makes it good?
>>744554663honestly i think what bbcf is doing, taking an old game people already liked and adding new content is the best thing snk can even hope for at this point. they've already done that a bit with the ultimate match releases and it's what they're doing with aof3.
>>744554663>So how do you make a successful SNK game?You can't.
>>744555004>strive>top tier artstyle>GOOD SINGLEPLAYER CONTENT
>Twilumina is modernslopI feeling nothing anymore. Absolutely nothing. No joy, no sadness, nothing. I guess it's time to retire from the real world and zoneout in the 09ers cave of fighting games
>>744555052>they've already done that a bit with the ultimate match releasesAnd yet most still prefer vanilla 98 and vanilla 2002. Why is that?
>>744554663imo Strive is the template to follow if any new fighting game wants to get a breakout hit.Also doesn't hurt to add some SF6 like mechanics and story mode to the game.
>>744554663You don't, they don't appeal to americans
>>744533312>only fighting games I care about are Avatar and furry not-AvatarThey even use the term "bender" unofficially>>744535736Broski already made a video specifically about defense / flow, so it'll at least get people discussing it. The way that defense functions in Avatar is very refreshing after so many years of 30-second combos you can only break with burst / break mechanics.
blame the melty blood fiasco on nasuat this point everyone expected red garden to have released so french bread could have some actual new characters to market for the new gameinstead they got to make do with the old roster only now with Len
they made a really good game with avatar, I can do alright even without knowing real combos and take games sometimes
>>744555171I think strive was mostly carried by its release date. If it didn’t have the weird shit they added in strive it would probably be more popular with normal people. They probably sold out too hard to twitter freaks.
>>744555138Visually it is top tier, single player content is only necessary these days post SF6 I guess, everyone crying about it all the time.
>>744554154>so now the sequel is entering with a ton of scrutinyExactly this. Probably deserved.
>>744555363RETARD DON'T REPLY TO THAT TROLL
>>744555304>only now with Lenthat's it? where's my Sacchin?
>SNK has to make shitty modernslop in order to be successfulIs this going to be the fate of every fighting game franchise?
>>744554663>remove charge characters>remove 263 inputs>kill 41236 and similar inputs>make an characters play similarly>remove Kyo rekkas, make him a shoto again>modern controllers>make all waifu characters easy to play so gooners who shitpost Angel can finally play her for the first time>heck just make all characters similat like DB FighterZ so no one will complain about having to learn 3 characters>remove the 2 hops and super jump>add 2B as a guest characterThere, Timmy will buy your game now
>>744555392probably. even melty blood bent the knee.the possibility of good return on investment is too good to pass up
>>744555392Shitty uncslop doesn't sell in 2026.
>>744555363Nah. In terms of animations, possibly. But not in terms of style and depth. As in, look at Johnny’s cards for joker trick for example. They’re all generic cards instead of cards for each character like they are in XX. It just feels very low effort and like they just wanted to get a product out instead of having spirit put into their work. Also all the redesigns are truly atrocious except for maybe Jacko.
>>744542867so what is the over/under for forfeits?
>>744555392It's the casual era. Every video games do this now. You won't get another new "hardcore" fighter anymore in these times.
I like strive but I hate this feeling of booting up training mode and seeing more than half the characters locked even though I paid full price for this game. >bro what are you new to fighting gamesmore like most of my fightan history didn't have this shit
I really don't get the love for MvC3
>>744554663Just make a really pretty Samsho game with good netcode and don't make any retarded decisions when releasing it. Samsho's gameplay is perfect for modern fighting game fans.
>>744555392Reminder that fighting games aren't being made for your kind anymore :)
>>744554545That comparison makes no sense whatsoever and you're better off comparing it to Tekken with how simple it is to pick up and fuck off to another character if you don't like one, the high damage that Tekken has throughout the series and it still having stuff to learn that filters people like the RC system and the ib/ibfd timing among other things.>>744554663Pay arcsys to teach or supervise the modelers and fx monkeys at snk like they did the 8ing guys with dnf duel, make sure no newcomers like any kof 13,14, 15 or cotw ones happen again, and make the game Tekken tier simple to pick up and start having fun(just make it high damage)
>>744555540>beat someone to death>they get le funny red install and winWhen shit like MVC3 is popular, I don't understand how anyone complains about other fighting games having stupid mechanics.
>>744555539I forgor which fighting game nowadays has a feature that you can use DLC characters in training mode without buying them.
>>744555539I can only think of one modern game without paid DLC characters
>>744555663type lumina?
>>744555542Samsho is sauceless tho
>>744555574>probably the first paraguayan character of any fighting game (?)>look him up>nationality: Paraguayan-AmericanLmao
>>744555539you can use creamapi to unlock all the dlc since arc sys has non-existent anti-cheat up until tokon, though there's no excuse for paywalling matchup labbing
>>744555391Super off limits probably since she's a VN spoiler character but also has no role in Kagetsu Tohya which the MBTWL story might be a remake of.Christ though I wasn't expecting an exciting new character yesterday but I thought for sure they'd fucking show us Nanaya by this point since everyone fucking knows he's in already. Holy shit just get it out of the way so I can get excited for future reveals. I swear the lack of reveals means we're only getting 6 characters at most.
>>744551751UNICLR was free only if you had ST before April the year it came out.
>>744555789Fuck I really hope Tokon's DLCs can be pirated. EAC can be bypassed but idk about the PSN shit.
>>744554663>So how do you make a successful SNK game?Realistic art style.
>>744554663Simple but crazy good looking Last Blade. There is not enough old heads to start a hate campaign for it
>>744555907>EAC can be bypassed no it can't, creamapi doesn't work on DBFZ
>>744555950I used to play this and whenever I go back to it I find myself thinking "man this was kusoge carried by its graphics wasn't it". MotW still plays well years later by comparison.
>>744533825>unscathedyeah no lmaoand i do remember alex ahad was the first to get the boot, so if mike wants any thanks, he will have to help his artfag friend make a proper mythological RPG first
anybody wanna fight my scrub aang
>>744555950I don't want them to ever make a new last blade, there fucktards would ruin it
>>744535452
>>744555540>fast paced and potentially chaotic>Team variety>strategizing how to beat strong characters(this happened several times throughout the years)>the level of care and quality in presentations and character details>it's just fucking fun to play and even watch
Does creamAPI actually work or is it one of those 4chan traps to get poor anons banned.
>>744556016I use steam detour and smokeapi?
>>744556264can you play online on DBFZ with the DLC hacked in?
>>744556252as long as it doesn't have external anti-cheat it will work just fine
>>744555574It feels weird seeing a genre you grew up with shift like this.
>>744555540it has the most viable weirdos of any fightan game and you can do funny shit
>>744554154>but people hated the game.but i loved the game...never played old mb though
>>744556453Strive, Granblue, DNF, and SF6?
>deadpool has secret moves that dont appear in the movelist until you have done them once
>>744556561I don't know about SF6 but I imagine the other arc sys games work just as well as strive. Granblue used to let you swap the f2p exe with the full one to pirate with no consequence, not sure about now though.
>>744556554>never played old mb thoughobviously
>>744551892>I bet it is going to have neutral skip button too.the game is already in your face RPS, that's the reason why tekken players don't play it
>>744556487iktfI don't even want to be like that too, I know when you complain about the state of modern fighting games the usual response is>lol go play fightcade thenbut I'm not the type that wants to play the exact same fighting game until I kick the bucket, I want to have new fighting games and I even like how some of the new ones look like Tokon, but the moment I start trying to play any of them I just get so fucking bored. So now I'm just stuck in a purgatory of only playing dead or niche shit I guess.
>>744554154>Granblue got dealt the worst fucking hands possible but survived for so long and became the 4th biggest fighter for a time because people liked the actual game so muchI refuse to believe anybody is playing that game for any reason other than liking the IP. It looks just like every other forced 50/50 EX cashout drive impact game, what am I apparently missing?
>>744554083Lol did they really say that shit?
I kneel. I never tried online matches :( but I did entered one of the online lobbies though.
>>744556859Granblue looks nice and its really easy to play.
>>744554154Eh, I think people gave it a second chance after its August patch. Because that's when I came back to play it before dropping it again on and off before completely dropping it when UNI2 got leaked.
>>744555392Yes dickhead people allowed bbtag, Tekken 6 and tekken 7 to succeed while Xrd flopped like a fish so it's like this forever now>>744556252Tekken fags have been using creamapi for over a decade you fucking pussy Japan doesn't give a fuck.
>ZERO changes to drive rush or throw loops in yasmine patch>sagat and mai barely touched>ryu BUFFSi'm out
>>744556972See you in the next thread where you boot up SF6 sister!
>>744556972See you tomorrow.
>>744556972What else are you gonna play? CotW?lol
pffft COUGH COUGH pfft
i play gachaslop with japanese people
>>744556972You whining fucking faggots have no spine when you bitch about this shit. See me? I stopped playing Strive since the Bridget tranny shit, and I mean that. Haven't fucking touched it since, even when the tourneys I go to ask me to sign up FOR FREE so they don't have to do a round robin. That's fucking commitment. 6 has things v claims to hate, like tranny propaganda, ugly models+artstyle, overly simplistic controls, ruining characters' story like Alex. And what does a typical fucking vermin like you do? Cry. Moan. Say you'll quit. Pick it up the next day. Gutless piece of shit as always with no backbone or standards. Fuck you.
>>744557014>>744557040>>744557079tokon in 4 dayswe are all uninstalling slime fighter 6
>>744556972get fucked
>>744556859Granblue suffers from all the other modern fighting game issues but the one thing it has going for it is that there is a lot of neutral in it and people pretty much play it just for that.
>>744557164>closeted tranny pretends she has principles
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I CAN'T BELIEVE SOME OF YOU THINK THAT IF THEY ABANDON WORLD TOUR THE GAME WOULD BE BETTER
>>744557186lol, dogs always return to their owners
>>744556859It's fun and I like the characters. I literally know nothing about the IP.
>>744557294>Capcom doing less work and still charging the same amount of money per DLC packThey'll still win.
>>744546297Based spoiler
>>744557276>openly shit on tranny bullshit>project a claim one is a tranny You're either stupid or you're really mad, lol.
>>744557317I'd consider liking characters liking the IP, unless you mean you just love their functions. Fair enough though, I'm mostly just bewildered because I always come back to the game just to get butthurt at the same bullshit as I have since the first one launched. Maybe I should try Grimnir again
>>744557294i really like the idea of world tour I just think the execution sucks
>>744557368>end world tour >meaning no tifa WT content>also no DLC stages for pass 4>meaning no FF7 stage either God I STILL can't believe there are faggots defending this, you got utterly scammed and fleeced by Capcom and still open your mouths for the shit to roll down your throat. Fucking pathetic.
https://www.streetfighter.com/6/buckler/battle_change/20260803Capcom shit-eater slaughterhouse
>>744556859It looked pretty good and we don't really get a lot of fantasy based fighting games so it hit a different demographic
>>744557118>we decided to implement changes specifically to shake things upWhoever made the write up for this changelog 100% added that in to dunk on the critics. I hate that Capcom does fuck all and is somehow on top again; back to their over-inflated self worth that led to the Crapcom days it seems.
>>744555540It's >>744556229 as said, but also the fact that it came out at a time period where every single game wasn't minmaxed to death within months by content creators and top players incentivized by inflated prize pools and stream / YouTube money.If MvC3 came out today, it would be hellish. It's obviously not the same game, but you can just look at 2XKO's Evo bracket to see what I mean.
>>744557587If MVC3 came out today, people would like it because it's a well put together game, you fucking idiot.
When's Trinity?
>>744557541>universal changes>one minor bug fix
>>744557587>2XKOduuude, remember 2xko? i remember...
>>744557541
>>744557649No news yet. Wait for TGS on September which is more likey we will get more news from arcsys.
>>744557649likely early next year. they barely started working on the character at the time of the announcement
>>744557713>feeling really thirsty for tokon>figure fuck it I'll try out 2xko for a few days>literally cannot run on linuxwelp. Here's hoping the crack of Tokon can run through proton
Are you tired of guest characters?
>>744533312>pretty sick already so the future is looking a little brighterNo ranked....
>>744558103i liked the sc2 guest characters because they each felt like an interesting twist of the game mechanics.geralt being generic soulcaliburman was not great but i liked haohmaru a lot surprisingly
>>744558103They're an unfortunate inevitability now in our IP-overdosed landscape. You can only hope for fitting choices that show that the devs actually like their source material.
>>744558103Not exactly, but I'd prefer original characters.
>>744558103I dislike when they have completely different mechanics compared to rest of the roster.
>>744558103Have been for years.
>>744558172sorry anon you'll just have to play the game instead of hunting for banana stickers
>>744558103if you dislike 2b as a guest character, ur gay
>>744558103I got lucky because I'm a cuck for Nier but they are tired, it just reads like the devs have no faith in selling the game as is.
>>744558103It depends on the game. I'm actually looking forward to them in Rivals 2 because there's a lot of good candidates that are outside of the usual scope of guest fighters:>Mina (confirmed)>Hornet from Silksong>Sybil from PseudoregaliaMore importantly, they're the thing most likely to breathe more life into the game.What I'm tired of is guest characters from other fighting games, because it's always the same safe picks whom they can't actually be creative with: Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li, Terry, Mai, Akuma, etc.
>>744557541why is it that the only way capcom ever nerfs characters is to make them easier to whiff punishlike where are all the people whiffing with mai in the first place, how the fuck is making it easier to react to the fan STARTUP animation going to make her worse when hitting the fan isnt a guaranteed punish afterwards at the ranges its usually usedwhy is the only actual nerf to SA1 to remove non-AA invincibility
>>744558172Note how positive and receptive the game's playerbase and gameplay are with no ranked being present. Coincidence?
WE will be playing DICKO
>they buffed the shit out of bisonoh no
This dude is playing singleplayer
There were melty blood announcement? Where and why?
>>744558768>dickois that when dick does the jack o pose?
>>744558972FGO Fes because Typemoon likes to announce shit during the end of summer and probably wanted to get it all out of the way at the same time
>>744553889SamSho was the only game they had that was briefly sort of popular outside the usual Mexican fanbase SNK has, but partly because people were so sick of SF5 at the time
>>744558768DC is just a cursed brand at this point
>>744558525Don't care. No excuse for it not being there.
>>744533137I thought it was bazz....
SF6 Yasmine update is live I guess
>>744558914Did they actually? Game might be worth something now.
>>744559478Have you tried actually playing the game instead of bitching about literally nothing?
>>744559582ok
why couldnt they just keep tokon's beta up?
>>744559926Shut up bitch.
>>744559478>everybody who isn't a bitch is playing first to 3/5s, even ft10 because the game is that fun to learn>scaring off dopamine starved genre touristsshow me the problem
why couldn't they make Tokon's beta work on PC
>>744560101because your brazilian ass pirated everything
>>744560120Its not like its gonna stop me from pirating the full game
>>744557541>Sagat st.mp survivedWhat??? I've seen so many slanderous clips of that insane normal I've lost count what the actual fuck???
>>744560101works on my machine :^)
>>744555861Don't be stupid, KT is also a giga spoiler for red garden with Kouma and Nanaya shenanigans.
>>744560551trvke, this is true for every ninja character
Melty is going to get Sion and Riesbyfe added right? Nasu isnt going to keep jacking off to MUH CANON and then have funi cat summon five more fgo characters right?
fair and balanced :)
>>744560790whats crazy is that mai is even more bullshit than that
>>744560790you can just jab him when he slimes at you
>>744560790Man the screen freeze when drive rush happens is so jarring, I'm so fucking tired of screen freezes
>>7445461753k delayed unblockablebut the opponent can iframe or even shield it
>>744560551This nigga doesn't even fucking compete anymore, why should I care what he says?
>>744561334found the guy losing with kimberly
>Sagat compensation buffs
>>744561465Where's Marisa's buffs>Sorry she's not a DLC character :^)fuck you crapcom
>>744560736What makes you think this is any different from before?More FGO characters is up in the air but you're certainly not getting Red Garden and Melty Blood adjacent characters.
>>744561651Len?
>>744561809Len is KTAnd it's suggested that Neco Arc pulled Len from the old continuity because nothing suggests Len is even around in the new one.
>>744561851Tsukire is doomed if even Nasu sold out enough to remove Len
>>744561874A wet-dream inducing succubus who persists off of cum has no place in a pure love story between Shiki and Arc.
>>744552515>>744554663It's because SNK's modern games look extremely budget, and cheap. Most especially compared to the big dogs' games like Capcom and Namco. Even the smaller companies like Arcsys and French Bread make games that are more appealing visually to the masses. 60% of SNK's problems with appealing to people would be satiated if they made a game that was impressive, or at the very least not mediocre in visuals/presentation to normalfags. People already barely want to play Fighting Games that aren't from a brand/franchise they already care somewhat about. They sure as hell aren't going to play one that's unappealing to look at, kind of difficult, not popular, and from a company majority of them don't have a history with.
>>744562029Arc doesn't mind sharing going by the Ciel happycuck ending.
>>744556859If you play with the cutest girl in the game and can't just full screen blue slop jump scare at any time it plays like a real fighting game.
>>744534718get it to your retarded nigger black head already.We don't want old, most people don't want old, we want new but good.
Can't even access the store to purchase Yasmine. Why do they always do this everytime there is an update?
>>744562029Len is the best character in type moon. If she’s truly gone then there can never be soul in the remake. Not that I held Nasu’s recent work in high regard anyway, but it’s still disappointing to see the great fall. I will never buy it if it remains entrenched as mere slop.
>>744562091That's the old continuity, jesus christ. Tsuki Re has been out for years and I still need to explain this to you people.The new continuity makes a completely different Ciel route. Red Arc doesn't come from the TATARI incident but because Shiki got so fucking mad that Shiki chose Ciel over her.
>>744560736Hime has more chances of being added than Sion or Roast beef.
>>744562330I don't give a fuck what you do.
>>744560736The cat will summon Mahoyo and Fate/Extra guest characters this time around.
>>744562440And neither do I care about you. If you want to buy slop watered down for troons, feel free. But I will indeed keep calling it trash.
>>744562513Extra would have a ton more sense if the remake was fucking out by June but that's clearly not the case anymore.
>>744562594I don't care about Tsuki Re nor MBTL.But at least be aware of the stuff you dislike if you're going to be a hater of it instead of an uninformed fuck.Hope you enjoy spending 50 bucks playing your favorite character in a shoddy looking sequel.
Not really and i don't see why i should parrot arabs/zoomers opininons on guest characters on whats basically a dead genre.
>>744562647You sure seem to. I’ll decide whether I’ll buy it or not based on how Len is in. If it’s done properly, I’ll buy it. If not, I’ll just consider the franchise to have died after Kagetsu Tohya and Melty. I will not contest your feast of garbage.
People that deny to this day that strive looks good or that its visuals being the top 1 reason it did and still does so well(it's Tekken tier starting simplicity, word of mouth about it's simplicity, it's music and it's good release timing 5th) are crazy. Like if snk or anyone else genuinely just hired them to do strive like visuals alone they'd get an immediate hit regardless of how the game plays.
>>744562647don't bother, that nigger doesn't even play aacc
>>744560736We might get something like Len, Nanaya, Ryougi, Touko, Arihiko w/Seven since it's KT, Mech Hisui, and Hime which would let us avoid any Tsukihime or Melty Blood plot characters and Fate. Maybe a Ciel variant too.Super deep lore shock pick would be fem Nero.
>>744562862I got burned once by MBTL so I have no interest in playing it the way it is now. Watching the shitstorm around has been hilarious since I'm completely apathetic to whether or not twilumina is good or notFunny to see Lenfags lose so consistently though. Get written off of canon and the sequel to the one place she can appear in seems like trash.You were avatarfagging Len and begging for her to be in MBTL for like 4 years too.
>>744562972That's the funniest part, he literally has nothing to play Len in anymore.
>>744562985Ciel has another variant? Powered Ciel has dominated MBTL for years now.
>>744563043I’ll say it again. If you consider that trash to be your victory, then I have no issue leaving you to your feast. I won’t fight you for it when I already have the finest food there is in Kagetsu Tohya.
>>744562961looks ok sure but it's also soulessSoul > graphics
>>744563170Here's hoping you stop begging for Len to be in more shit and fuck off for good.
>>744562961>(it's Tekken tier starting simplicity, word of mouth about it's simplicity, it's music and it's good release timing 5th)Somewhere in there you have to add goodwill from DBFZ. People were gonna play ArcSys' next game no matter what after DBFZ's success.
>>744563249No. I will continue saying Len should be in more things, even if Kagetsu Tohya is already better than anything else type moon will ever create. That’s called righteousness. Pathetic a state as it may be in now, I still would like Type Moon to return to some of its former glory.
>>744562985>Arihiko w/SevenAnd they could even reuse PCiel's old moveset for him. That'd be so fucking cool and precisely because of that I don't expect them to do it.
>>744563337I'm guessing you're also unaware of the dwindling eroge market but yeah, that's even less likely to happen.TM already made the move to all-ages like 14 years ago so you're not winning in any sort of way.
>>744563116Nta, but at most she has Roa-Ciel thanks to Kagetsu Tohya. She also has Star Ciel but no one likes it so it's not getting in.
>>744563258Anon the next game after dbfz was granblue fantasy versus
>>744563457Which started strong before people dropped the game due to netcode during COVID.
>>744563396Don’t need an eroge exactly, KT already covers that, but Len being in more things would always be an improvement. Seeing how soulless tsukire is now, I only say this out of good spirit. I hope type moon escapes the trenches of appealing to trannies like you. If they never do, then so be it. You can enjoy your slop while I’ll enjoy what’s good.
>>744563573Calling me a tranny now? Glad I made it under your skin, I'll continue to not necessarily win but watch you lose by doing absolutely nothing.
>>744563636Just stop giving him attention dude you should know not to reply to people who use img filenames
>>744563636Looks like I struck a nerve. I will always call out your slop.
>>744562961strive looks good but it also looks shit at the same time because of the utterly retarded ui choices
>>744563702Oh fuck, it's HIM isn't it
>>744563116>>744563427Professor Ciel.
>>744563937She's better than Star Ciel atleast, but eh
>>744563937Professor Ciel + Neko Arc
Roa-Ciel vs Hime would be sick as hell though honestly.
>>744563937>>744564091Trash, just add Arihiko + Seven duo instead
>>744564276add both. TL should overtake AACC in the number of duo chars
>>744561457I don't play 6 you fucking nigger.
