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>>744537997>chinese DRAM chipsthey'll steal all your bank info before starting a fire that wipes out your neighborhood
>>744537997that's the brand of ram i'm using myselfpretty decent not gonna lie
>Chineseso it will activate via remote code to overload your computer and turn it into a bombgot it
>>744538071All the tech you trust was built in China, too.
>>744537997PCs will become like mobile phones and there is nothing you can do about it chuds. It will be NVIDIA vs 80 different Chinese companies on paper and news, but both sides will have dealings and ((trades)) in the ((shadows)) while /g/ and /v/ seethes endlessly. I can't wait.
>>744537997I bought a 32GB kit (DDR4 albeit) in 2022 for like $100
>>744538071>>744538242nah, it's just low quality DRAM meant to undercut samsung.It's a complete lottery too, in terms of quality, and it probably has a shorter lifespan. So you buy it if you really need RAM, but don't buy it for a long-term upgrade
>>744537997At this point everybody is spying on us all the time anyways, and most of the time it is perfectly fucking legal and my data is just purchased from fucking facebook. May as well just give in and accept that china will be spying on me too.
BASED. Lexcorp bros we are so back!
>chinese things are bad because they spy on youthis is the most ironic fucking thing coming from americans
I'd rather have China spy on me. Worst case scenario, lingling is so turned on by my modestly sized wiener that she disavows the chinese communist party, applies for a work visa in my country of residence, and uses her knowledge, fueled by lust, to find me and marry me.It will be one of those lifetime or hallmark movies at some point, lingling, my future wife, will be portrayed by Melissa Joan Hart, and I will be portrayed by Mario LopezMovie title? >Christmas Time on Memory Lane(it's a pun, a play on words, because RAM is memory)
I sometimes wonder if the "Datacenter hoarding" of DRAM is just a smokescreen to make people stop buying things that awards the CCP, because our establishment is panicking that they've outpaced our economy. Explains so fucking much -- why Trump wants to take over Greenland and go "America first", and domesticate production within america and drill baby drill etc. They want people to stop paying China, and pay at home, and slow down dependency on Taiwan because it'll surely be taken over soon.
>>744538071in 3 month you will cry that their competition is "unfair" like you did with pretty much everything from cars to clothes to art and food
>>744538810It's much simpler than thatThe chinese do not bow to the jew. That's why your government wants you to stop buying things from them. Instead, you need to buy from an (((american))) company owned by Aaron Shekelsteinberg
>>744538071>Still on about "muh Chinesium">Still worried about being spied upon by the CCP more than their own governmentYou are so full of copium, man.People like you is why there is the "shock" in "China Shock 2".The first was "oh shit, Chinese can churn out a ton of products really fast and cheap... but hey at least we are still making the quality goods while theirs are shit"But China Shock 2 right now is "Oh shit, the Chinese can actually churn out *quality* products really fast and cheap, too"Turns out when you do something for long enough you start getting really good at it, go figure.In an increasing amount of product categories Chinese brands are THE brands to go to not just for price but for quality too. Drones (DJI), and vacuum robots (Dreame) for instance. Never mind that the most selling car brand for EVs is Chinese now (BYD). If you are still on the level of Chinese products not being worth their money, then you have been living under a rock the last decade.Even if it's still slightly worse, it's offset by the fact that their products are MASSIVELY cheaper... and Western goods getting worse and worse every year due to skimpflation to maximize profits.And it's the same for PC components. Even if theirs are worse for now, they will only get better at making them. While offering them at the fraction of the price of Western components.If the West wants to keep competing with China then we need to fundamentally reform our economic model to re-incentivise the creation of quality goods for minimum price... which doesn't work in the current "profit maximization at any cost" environment where most money is "made" by creatively moving numbers on spreadsheets rather than any actual productivity. An environment China doesn't have.
>>744537997Great, Superman still ain't fucking you Lex
Is this the brand of the guy who made Wacka Flocka beats?
ban incoming
>>744538071Yeah the American government wouldn't do that, right?
>>744539037动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 etc
>>744538458>purposely google search the most random and bizarre stuff constantly>have been doing this for over 3 years now>will sometimes just randomly post the most random and bizarre nonsense on dummy accounts on reddit and hereI wish I could see what they have down for me I'm sure it makes me look like a complete schizo
>>744539037didn't read, not putting chink shit in my computer>b-b-but...kill yourself BRICS shitskin
>>744538305There are differences between "made in China" and "designed by China"I'm sorry, but I don't trust Chinese stuff, at least not yet.
>>744537997>chink ram cost $600 for 32gbInsanity
>>744538770>implying china cares about literal who's outside of their country / taiwan.
>>744538953If they wanted you to stop buying things from them, they would have banned sites like Alibaba. The trade war shown on screen is purely entertainment for the crowd. In reality, most major countries have good dealings with China. American companies make their products in China. Assembling them in America does not equate as being America.
>>744539551The only person whose affection concerns me is lingling.
>>744539037It's so funny that the US has to outright ban Chinese EVs in order for US car companies to not get slaughtered.Free market btw.
>>744537997>$600 for 32GBI thought china would save us?
>>744539037>If the West wants to keep competing with China
>>744539860True, they're just banning shit and utterly afraid of competition kek
>>744539776banned Huawei as well because it was a direct competitor to both Samsung and Apple.Reasoning? Huawei "phones home" to China. However, they can't prove it.Xiaomi, ZTE, and Qin all have proof that they "phone home" to China and are not banned, because they're not competitors to Samsung and Apple.
>muh subsidies will sure last forever and offering the cheapest version available must mean I totally have the most successful product, right?LMAO, good luck with that
>>744539776Chinese vehicles are subsidised by the CCP. Hardly a free market situation.
>muh free market>when literally no country on earth has a free market
>>744537997>a year ago 32 GB of DDR5 was 150 eurodollars, now the same DDR5 32GB is 4 fucking times more expensiveGLASS THIS SHITHOLE PLANET FROM THE ORBIT ALREADY BECAUSE I AM TIRED OF IT
>>744538071Ironic when americans are getting their whole lives recorded by Flock cameras and destroying entire ecosystems with surveillance facilities- oh, sorry, "AI data centers".
Will ram finally be affordable again?
>>744540120lmao, so are US car companies, the US just does it badly because corporations control the government rather than the other way around>>744540137exactlythe difference is who's controlling the market and for what purpose
>>744538242There's a CIA backdoor in every computer on a fucking planet at this point.Anyone with Intel processor has a ticking timebomb since 2013 in their homes only waiting to be remotely used by foreign governmentI don't even want to know what's hiding in AMD processors. I can't live in ignorance anymore but I just don't want to know.
>>744540120So are western ones.
>>744537997>32GB DDR5 ram is 600 buckarooswasn't this supposed to be a lot cheaper? I'm sure someone could give a proper indication of what it should be if there wasn't any market manipulation, like around 200,250 tops seems fair I would guess
Just make cheap DDR5 rams you faggots, what's the point of making it even more premium with cheaper materials?
>>744537997i thought chinese ram was cheap????
>>744540120Just like every country on earth fag? USA gave AI slop 12 numbers(hundreds of billions), despite that prices of ram, gpu's and cpu's keep going up and consoles keep rising the prices, kinda weird (kikes economy)
>>744537997>CL38This is slower than CL30 6000Mhz isnt it? And itd be nearly impossible to OC to CL28 which is the new latency standard for 1% lows.
>refuse to build new factories because they want RAM to remain expensive>lo and behold cheap Chink RAM that is dogshit at the moment but won't be dogshit anymore as they continue to pump more stuff out in a few years>by 2030 even US corpos would seek "exceptions" on buying cheap Chink RAM while US/gook RAM are exclusively used for AIslop
>>744538071People who have money to steal from bank accounts are not buying this sort of product
>>744538242You mean like the jews and their pagers?
>>744537997>32 gigs>Chinese so all the advertised apecs are lies>Chinese so its a security concern>Have to pay 100 more than marketOmg China number 1!!!! Game over burgers
>>744540384Designed like some gaymer-market aimed shit so they'll likely try and see how much idiot tax they are able to get away with.
>>744540182Or just burn down all the data centers and hang the AI grifters.
>>744540342I'm sure the DRAM chips were super cheap, but why would Lexar sell them for lower when retards keep paying over $500 for RAM anyway?
>>744540616just keep crying into your soilatte, commie
>>744540616ok then do it you wont do anything
>>744537997>So its a security concernTo who? Israel and USrael?
>>744537997>>744538552I don't trust him he keeps trying to kill superman he saved my sister once who's to say there aren't secret amount of kryptonite in the ram
>>744540653>>744540692Good morning saars.
>>744537997Dab on Jonathan Kent!
>>744540204Freedom ain't free
>>744537997>chink ramIt's garbo
>>744540384New products are expensive at first, I know i know, this is an extremely hard concept for you
>>744540740hello saar.
>>744537997>$592Isn't that still really expensive, I haven't kept up with current prices
>>744540864>overclockingHow the fuck that meme isn't dead yet?
>>744537997call me when it's $300
>>744540885>The earliest forms of random-access memory (RAM) were invented in 1947 (the Williams tube and magnetic-core memory), while modern semiconductor RAM (DRAM) was invented in 1968 by Robert Dennard at IBM.so when will it decrease in price like u said
>>744540864what the fuckit's ramas long as it doesn't consistently shit out bsods and performs close to samshit/hynix stuff its okay
>>744541179>I know i know, this is an extremely hard concept for you
>>744538071>Pick Chinese tech and get spied on>Pick American tech and get your country flooded with brown muslims and/or niggersthough choices guys...
>>744537997>32gb>$600we need to start gassing AI kikes yesterday.
>>744541239ddr5 isnt new retard
>>744537997Are americans so retarded that they think any chip or electronic is not made i china?
>>744540892He's so Indian and it's actually gross
>>744541323>I know i know, this is an extremely hard concept for you
>>744541364sneed
>>744538242Any CCP electronics is already a ticking lithium grenade and doesnt need to be 'turned into' one.
>>744538242>Complains about chinese electronics>Posts from chinese made phone
>>744540120So are ours. Just about every country subsidizes their export goods. Always has.The "illegal subsidies" argument is a copium huffing if I ever saw one.How would China even fund all those "illegal subsidies"? Where do they get their money from if nothing makes any profit?The reason is like this: the closer you are at the raw resource level the more it's goverment controlled in China. The closer you are at the end product, the more private it is. So mines are almost fully government operated, refineries mostly. But factories for consumer goods are mostly private with just a few guys on the board having to be registered party members and retail stores are 100% private.In the West everything is private. Sounds good on paper. The problem: every step of the product chain now wants to make profit and maximize them. And they all want to make more profit than last quarter too. That is not the case in China there only the final steps of the product chain need to maximize products.Profit, especially profit paid to investors, IS like a tax. A tax that you not only have to match every year but also have to increase. If you don't the investors will punish you and reduce your level of control. And now that applies to every step of the product chain which slowly but surely pushed up the price so everyone gets their share of the profit pie. But again China doesn't need to do that. All the government needs to watch out for is that the factories get the raw resources they need, but it's easier for a government to just control the flow of raw resources than complex manufacturing like in the Warsaw bloc so it doesn't lead to shortages.So: to compete we need to lower our "profit tax" paid to investors. That means either convincing (more likely forcing) investors to expect a lesser profit share and amount of profit, especially lower in the product chain. That USED to be the case, too. But Neoliberalism meant maximum profit and profit-share at every level.
>>744541247>Implying both won't happen regardless of your pick
>>744538242It's astounding the lengths americans will go to, to come up with these hysterical, imaginary threats when they and their israeli allies are the only ones with a proven track record to do this shit.
>>744541092XMP is considered overclocking anon
>>744537997>$600 for 32gbNo thank you, I will wait for $100 or less
>>744538702>IronicThe only irony here is you are shilling for China. Your ass is getting spied on regardless, it's just the matter of who you are selling your ass to.
>>744540864>it breaks if you missuse it so it's SHIT
>>744541964Another reason China is cheaper:Vertical integration. A single company controlling every step of the product chain from mining, refinery, transport, sale, etc. This means they can focus everything and specialize on supporting their products and also only need to maximize profits ONCE.We in the West don't have vertical integration, for good reason because it gives independent companies too much control and quickly leads to cartels that control the local society. It's a quick path to a form of "corpo-feudalism". (Disney was actually broken up once because of vertical integration as they owned everything from the production of the film to shoot on to cinemas).However that worry doesn't exist in China, because should the CCP ever find a company getting "too big" for their liking they will just crush them. So ironically enough, the fact that there aren't a lot of property protections and the government can just crush you whenever it pleases... also means there isn't a lot of bureaucracy or restrictions to weigh you down because they simply aren't required when the government can just "wing it". So you can organize however you want, you can vertically integrate how much you want, as long as you don't piss off the government (or create too much of a stink on social media, which leads people to complain, which leads to the government to punish you so the people stop complaining).Basically China just optimized cost factors to shit to reduce prices... and turns out profit sharing is a cost factor that can be cut, if the political and societal will exists to do so.So if we were to allow vertical integration again to reduce prices, we'd have to be more willing to bust and nationalize companies abusing it so it won't backfire.
>>744538071Unless you're a politician, wealthy person, or someone of importance the Chinese couldn't care less about you. Be more worried about your own government spying on you.
>>744542169>I will wait for $100 or lessand a brand new iPhone for $50, right?
>>744537997>>744538401It was $75 for me in summer 2023.DDR5 was... I think roughly twice the cost at the time? Around about there? $600 is still nothing to proudly crow about.
>>744538071I'm Swedish.Give me a single reason why I would worry about the Chink government spying on me more than what the American (Jew) government is doing?I'm gonna wait for a reply.
>the number of chinese military bases in my country: 0>the number of american military bases in my country: fucking 3Whose tech should I trust hmmm
>cl38>intel frequency range
>>744543516trust mine :)t. Oregonian
>>744540482>>744542082Hezbollah still malding that their soldiers got blown up before they had a chance to blow themselves up, I see.
>>744539037You're not wrong about most of it, but china is definitely not there on product quality yet.In some cases their quality is "good enough for basic bitch". Chinese-made power tools, for example, fit here: things the amateur home user whips out maybe once a month at most. Professionals use them and find them unreliable as daily drivers though. This is true of most shit the chinese make.It's the same situation the japanese were in during the 80s, but there's a cultural difference that causes a problem. The japanese put a lot of stock into quality and reliablity - if shit isn't good, they lose face, and that spirals out. Chinese aren't like that. They don't give a fuck. Those values are venal to them - things you buy, sell, and trade. "Shame" has a dollar value you pay off when experienced. They can't be relied on to get better or do a better job because they should.
>>744543619China is Intel-land
>32GB>$592That is insane, for shitty chinese knockoffs. There are pretty major difference even between reputable Korean RAM chips (ie on much DDR5, SKHynix chips are very easy to overclock or tighten timings vs Micron/Samsung. On DDR4, Samsung B-Die was the shit to have for similar reasons), paying out the ass for Chinese CL60 garbage is insane. Fuck, for pretty close to that price listed you can get even stupidly overpriced >Corsair, but with glowing sakura silhouette or giant robot 32GB kits so fuck paying that much for bottom of the barrel garbage.
>$592wow what a bargain
>>744542007>If you pick China, we will flood your country too!Damm, Usrael is ruthless
>>744538071This. Don't buy chinese chips please keep buying american chips that cost 10x as much and don't forget to buy nvidia stocks we need AI to survive
>>744539129For what purpose? It's not like any American companies manufacture DRAM chips
>>744538071
>>744544240Micron?
>>744543516The ones protecting you, I'd say.
>>744544261why is an eye on the side of his head where the ear should be? das crazy
>>744544486The nigger at the right wants to poke the nigger at the left on the eye, moral of the story, never trust niggers
>>744538071eh whatever, I'll take the risk
>>744538071I don't care, I play pirated hypervisor games on the same computer I open my bank account, they could steal my info at any time already and I still have $50 in my account
>>744544421Yeah South Korea is pretty protected, the paid for THAAD batteries fucking the relations with North Korea and China and then USA moved these batteries to Israel for Free, fucking South Korea in both the economical and political sphere
>>744537997>'china will fix the market for sure">$600 for 32gb
>>744545160Getting mad about moving a few weapons when America fought a whole war for your independence 70 years ago is kind of silly.
>>744544121You will be spied on by China while your country is flooded with minorities and all you can do is cry about it!
>>744538368Other way around you mean phones are becoming more and more like PCs, we already have phones with over 20 gigs of ram and then there are tablets on top
>>744545635You mean the american bases in Asia to control the muh comunists?
>>744540338Asking $100 for 32GB Chink DDR5 would have been insane a year ago
>>744545831I'm actually talking about the Korean War 70 years ago where the US helped South Korea maintain their independence from the invading North Koreans.
>>744546269The american bases in Asia to control the muh communists?For real, in USA they teach kids history? or just read loudly the script of a movie from hollywood and take that for a fact?
dont think RAM can spy on you, if anything its the one volatile memory that makes vpn servers secure, AND, if anything people would find out almost right away because of how it works, or its supposed to work
>>744546573Yes? Why do you think South Korea exists right now? Because there were American bases in Asia to fight the Korean War.
>>744537997Lexar is fucking garbage, bought an SSD from them and it died a couple months later. I wouldn't trust them.
>>744546731>Sandisk is fucking garbage, bought one thing from them and it died a couple months later. I wouldn't trust them.>Seagate is fucking garbage, bought one thing from them and it died a couple months later. I wouldn't trust them.>Western Digital is fucking garbage, bought one thing from them and it died a couple months later. I wouldn't trust them.Imagine swearing off any company because of one (1) sample and thinking everything they make is bad.
>>744540084Huawei phones are shit, mine grew to the size of a softball and exploded in my pocket, luckily I was hard as a rock and have literal balls of steel so my junk was fine.
>>744546815Thank you Lexar merchant for correcting the record
>>744540264I think every amd cpu since 2008 has some sort of backdoor. Every intel since 1995.
>>744539037Reminder that whataboutism is an admission of guilt chang.
>mfw $200 DDR5 at the start of 2024
>>744546815Never had a problem with either one of those brands. Got myself a cheapo Sandisk SSD like 8 years ago to install Linux on it and it's still going strong. I even bought a 2TB Seagate from their worst era and it is also still working just fine.
>>744540120nigger, the gubmint had to step in and save GM just 15 years ago
>>744537997damn even chink dram can't even bring down the price of ram
>$592
>>744543745Yes, their 5-year old soldiers grocery shopping with daddy.
chyna malding anons are so silly. You sound like my gramps when he talked about jap shit.Yup, jap manufacturing was cheap, low quality and full of counterfeits 60 years ago. Look where they are now. The same will happen with china
>>744547312It's pointless to launch another DRAM stick brand. The bottleneck isn't packaging memory on a DRAM stick, it's fabricating the raw memory wafers. Which is why Micron getting rid of Crucial doesn't move the needle in any way, the other DRAM stick brands still fighting over the extremely limited supply, why join the fight instead of just focusing on building out fabs to supply the raw memory wafers, so I support Micron in removing Crucial.
>>744538071>more seething bitter cope over the fact American hegemony has finally endedChina has changed in the past decade. We spent decades giving them trillions of our dollars and they invested it towards surpassing us. Meanwhile we've blown our cash on war and stupid shit.
>>744538071At what point do you retards realize that you were actively brainwashed by your criminal "free" media to fear chinaThe same media that is denying-to-extremely downplaying an actual genocide US is participating in with tens of thousands of proofs of it, while pretending China is the evil one genociding and enslaving millions with literal zero (0) recorded proof of such a colossal eventImagine still eating up the slop that China wants to control everyone through technology when they are the absolute pioneers and advocates of open source AI, while US is not only the extreme opposite, their surveliance companies like Palantir openly talk about their job being tracking down and purging undesirables through mass surveilance
>>744537997>chinese DRM>costs the exact same
>>744538071Uh oh... you got all the changs mad, not even Americans get this mad when you call them zogbots
>>744543337iPhone was never 50$. And adjusted to inflation, price has been steadly balanced. RAM prices are bullshit. It's all speculative bullshit unless raw material prices have jumped x3 or x4.
hynix ram is the only ram worth the price jump. samsung,cxmt,micron are all fucking lame their ram cant oc a candle to hynix and their prices should dump accordingly.
>>74453807195% of your pc is already chinese
>>744537997>$600 dollarinos>Now you can get jewed by Chang ram even harder than Gook ram!
>>744541247americans spy on you even more than the chinese honestly
>>744548429After how much our media lied about the iran protests, at least it gave us a great insignt into what went down in bejing back then>Genuine peaceful protest during bad economy gets hijacked by some cia/mossad/mi6 armed farrighties who were retarded enough to be convinced that they can instigate an overthrow>armed forces crack down on them easily >western gov controlled media gets what it wants, pretends that it was a massacre of peaceful protestors while also exaggerating casualties of the conflict tens folds>US gets what it wants, an excuse to put more economy strangling sanctions on a target country
>>744538071>>744538242because american companies have never been guilty of spying on their usersedward snowden? just a coffee boy saying some silly jokes
>The Americans made us kill our protestors!!!Best totalitarian strat, works every time
>>744550060The funny thing is, there is no proof that China ever did even a fraction of the spying that we actually have proof of that US did on regular people. It's just the same projecting bullshit as when they pretend that China is some big aggressor when they haven't shot a fucking bullet abroad since nearly 50 years, while US bombed 9 countries just last year.Also, US is literally giving away the social media data of it's companies to Israelis so they can assassinate (carpet bomb) people in an ongoing genocide both of them participate in.Yet the fucking sheep are worried about China
>>744537997Go ahead, I'll just see if they don't end up melting or some shit
>>744538071Average USI fearmongering
>>744550371Cia/mossad armed gusanos are not protestorsYou retard also genuinely believe the shit in iran was some "peaceful protestors took up arms after the evil army opened fire on them" even after both the admissions of usrael shipping arms to radicals there and even after we fucking Know that that US+UK already pulled this shit succesfully with iran in the 50s where they literally overthrew Iran's democracy to plant a dictator there so they can keep stealing Iran's oil
>>744537997and yet nobody posted this? disappointing.
>>744538071Cope mutt
>>744550842Yes, so basically the CIA Amerimutts made us kill our protestors, it's all their fault. We couldn't help it you see, we had to kill thousands of our own citizens because the CIA made us do it
>>744544305I saw like two micron fab here in my third world country.
>>744551246Don't worry, several more fabs are being built near you in the US
>>744551223You keep pretending that the peaceful protestors and the foreign armed rebels entering the protest are the same groupI know this is also the narrative of your criminal propagandist media that you are parroting, I also know that you might be aware of your lies or at least how unreliable the claims of these lying shitstains in your media are, but I also know that your interests might align with your media's/gov's "nationalistic" interest of subduing and exploiting others through dirty methods, which just makes you another piece of slimy shit and a psychopath imperialist worm
