is there a single game that's as brutal to 100% without a guide as ffx2?
>>744539114Some of the Tales games, like Vesperia. There's a ton of missable stuff that you'll never see without a guide.
>>744539114Final fantasy XI is brutal to just find the main quests without a guide let alone do all of them
>>744539114FF12. PS2 Version. Literally impossible. Unless you have 30k saves for each treasure chest that you didn't open to get the zodiac spear. Impossible to know which one you're not supposed to open.
>>744539601>mmo>100%
>>744539114Easy
what is the point of such an endeavor? just wasting time? this whole genre is already a timesink with a guide.
>>744539726I don't understand what compelled them to implement it that way
>>744541123Selling guides obviously. I'm not joking by the way.
>>744539114i have all achievements in every ff game except the shitty mmo ones.
FF9 makes you speedrun the game to get the best sword for the knight character for some stupid reason.
>>744539114>90% reused assets>Guide baitX-2 was the OG slopgame
>>744539114Corpse Party due to translators (I think) breaking the game and making it impossible
>>744539726I dropped FF entirely when I found out I opened one of those DO NOT OPEN chests stacked together.Fucking retarded shit.I 100%'d X-2 and enjoyed it, I even did both X/X-2s blitzball minigames to their fullest.
>buy guide for game to 100% it>guide constantly tells you to visit a website instead
>>744539114Play Digimon World 1 on the ps1, that game can drive you into insanity if you're trying to 100% it.And the EUR version of that game is straight up impossible to do so, literally impossible because of a bug that prevents you from recruting a digimon.
>>744539726There's only 4 or 5 chests you shouldn't open but it's still bullshit since some of them are within 30min of playtime.I restarted a 50h+ playthrough because of that back in 2006
>>744541606Are you talking about the FFXII bullshit? that was fixed in TZA
>>744541430I'd kill for more X2 like games from Square in the modern era. At least we'd get some fucking games put of them
>>744541884>Nitpicking versions There are games on cartridges that launched broken and got an updated physical version. Those don't count in my opinion.
>>744539114Any Dark Souls game is 10x worse than this, especially Elden RingFuck Elden Ring quest designe, that shit is stupid.>You didn't went into this specifc location at this specifc part of the game you're in? oops you have to redo the whole game again and pray to shadow jesus that you're able to find out about it.
>>744539458I fucking HATE missable stuff in videogames, this has to be one of the most anti-fun boring way to make the player redo the whole game again.
>>744542674New game plus and just do it. Have fun just deleting your save file in old games instead
>>744542051But there's no way to tell which ones. Welcome to the topic of the thread
Oh nononono you opened a random chest in a dungeon at the START of the game and not the END of the game?!Ahahahahaha! No LEGENDARY EXCALIBUR for you! Retard!
>>744542972Except that the game still wont give you ANY directions, you WILL missed again and now everything is harder to kill
>>744539114Baten Kaitos
>>744541884dw1 doesnt have anything permanently missable requirements for 100% though
>>744539114>The job class system is good>They fucked up the entire story>its charlies angels
>7 > 10 > 5 > 6 > 8 > 4 > 9 > 1 > 12 > 13 > 3 > 15 > 2Haven't played 16 yet.
>>744543635Oh boy its gonna be terrible
>>744539114Crash Bandicoot 4>Stages in general have a huge amount of boxes>Many boxes require you to find alternate paths>Many boxes require you to Guess where they are because they're off-camera>All stages have a 100% gem, a no-death gem, and a hidden gem>All stages have a reversed versión>Each stage have a gold and platinum relic, which basically mean play the game perfectly on a time límite>Stages are usually long as fuck>A collection of secret stages require you to collect tapes, a tape in a stage can be collected only if you don't die until you reach it>These secret stages are their own pain in the ass>Even with a guide 100% complete the game is a pain in the ass because is not an easy platformer>Other platformers make alt playable characters fun or at least different enough from the main one to make the game more varied and fun. Crash 4? Only Dingodile is somewhat decent, Cortex and nuTawna are shit, and you're forced to play as them, not optional.To this day I don't understand what was Toys for Bob thinking with Crash 4
>>744543534Funniest thing is that they gave achievements to the insane missable or cryptic time wasting bullshit in the recent port/remaster, but said achievements are literally broken and Namco won’t patch it lol>can finally receive some semblance of an award for doing the absurd nonsense the Baten Kaitos series is known for>awards don’t work and can’t be unlocked It’s like poetry
>>744543728Yeah, that was insane. I got all the N. Sanely Perfect relics, but didn't bother getting the Platinum Relics.
>>744543635>7 and 10Want some boiled, boneless chicken breast (no seasonings) to go with that bland casserole of taste, anon?
>>744543728Toys for Bob are hacks that have zero understanding of what made both Crash and Spyro good. I despise that they're seen as worthy to take those games. Reminder that their Crash moba was the original intent for Crash 4 but Activision tard wrangled them in and said make a fucking single player game dipshits
>>744543534I love Baten Kaitos but yeah, besides some specific side things is not worth to 100% the game
>>744539114It's designed to be played multiple times though which is why it's so short. It's theoretically possible to 100% in a single playthrough but it's not intentional.
>>744543561Well some content is downright inaccessible on some PAL versions.
>>744544054Yeah, how dare you have a non-contrarian take!
>>744543635>2 lastconfirmed for not having played it
>>744544180yeah part of the point of the route split is that you can get some extra % points for free just by playing the game a second time and making the other choice
>>744544281I played it, anon. The level-up system alone makes it the worst in the series.
>>744539114Pretty much every jrpg is like that. The list of jrpgs that arent guidebaits would be a short lists. Even soulsgames have arbitrary backtracking that if you dont do in an arbitrary timespan will permanently lock you out of the major side questlines
>>744539114i beat this 100% it was the most gay shit ive ever done in my life. but ive seen worse
>>744546587>GuidebaitOnly if you're autistic. Even stuff like SaGa games (except Unlimited) are perfectly fine without guides. Guides are for 100% completionists and that's why the guidebooks also include exclusive trivia and art sometimes
Persona games.
>>744548038I don’t think it’s fine to lose out on 90% of side content unless you’re slavishly following a wiki and guides. Since I actually like playing the game more than browsing wikis I tend to prefer wrpg’s
>>744548350Examples? In no JRPG you lose 90% of the content if you don't follow a guide. Even shit like Yakuza games you only lose your chance to fight the respective Amon and that's it.
>>744545560It's not even the level up system. It's the monster closets and that you're gimped without a proper 4th party member. By the time you finally get Leon he's an absolute jobber because you've already the core team to be self-sufficient. I still liked 2 far more than I should have but it's a mess if a game.
>>744548496I said 90% of side content. Eg in dark souls 3 you cant finish the major questlines without time gated arbitrary backtracking
>>744539114Yes.
>>744541123ffx had a similar system in effect, btw, but nobody ever speaks of this.
>>744545560I bet you didn’t even play the original NES version, the level up system was actually fixed in all the ports and remakes
>>744539726I mean, if you know the spear exists it's just a matter of not opening chests.
>>744539114 Just new game+ and do the other route. There, well beyond 100% and you only did the content you wanted to
>>744539114I love Siren to death but some of those puzzles were just plain bullshit.
>>744544054Better than the nostalgiatards and tourists who rank 6 first because it's the one they hear is the "last good one"
>>744541147Yeah I remember being at the mall with a friend of mine over 20-years ago and he bought a brand new copy of Enter the Matrix and a brand new copy of the strategy guide along with it. He later told me he 100% completed the whole game in one single day. So really he cucked himself by buying the strategy guide.
>>744550291Is this game actually good? I've seen it on here forever but never tried it.
>>744541606>I 100%'d X-2 and enjoyed it, I even did both X/X-2s blitzball minigames to their fullest.This doesn't mean anything, Blitzball is fun and easy. Finishing monster arena is the true post-game challenge, and even then all you have to do is grind.
>>744544054>chicken breast (no seasonings)You must be black, kek.
>>744550854Are you admitting that you don't season your chicken?
>>744549872If you're not opening ANY chests in the game you're sure as hell not 100%:ing it.Only way to 100% it is to know that the spear exists, and know which exact chests are off-limits.
>>744542889>to make the player redo the whole game again.you NEEDING to 100% the game is not the devs problem, autist-kun
>>744550964If you don't experience all the content in a game you didn't experience the game at all.
>>744541514>that VNThe most unforgettable horror porn game I've ever played. No other game had a bunch of elementary schoolers gangbang a teenage girl against a wall. And the teenage girl loved it. No other game I've played had a 17 year old bishonen guy drink a 14 year old girl's piss and chase her down the hall to rape her, only to wind up getting anally raped by a 32 year old fat man. I still remember the scene where a 16-17 girl was hiding under a bed as her same age best friend was having sex with that same 32 year old fat guy on top. She heard every moan, bed shake and sound. In the wrong end she was discovered under the bed by her friend and made to join. A most terrifying scene was when an unwilling girl relives another girl's sex memories. The girl in the memory consented but the reliving girl didn't. It didn't matter that she was mentally screaming, her body in the memory did all the motions and actions as in history. It's like mind control rape except the victim was fully aware. Another scene the same girl and a friend were almost raped in a magic sex ritual, saved by the girl's older sister, and the backlash made the older sister want to rape her younger sister and friend.The loli in this pic is freakishly lewd and once disguised herself as a teenage girl, fucked a boy until he nearly came, transformed back saying>You thought you were having sex with a highschooler weren't you? I'm an elementary schooler all along!And leglocks that boy, forcing him to cum inside her unprotected, when he screams in fear upon learning this. This isn't even getting into the tentacles, the gay sex, the lesbian sex, the incest, the sequel's mother/daughter lesbian scene, etc. The first chapter alone contains lots of lesbian sex scenes with an unavoidable girl masturbating in the bathroom. Truly horror is intrinsically connected with sexuality.
>>744541514I played this game like 7 years ago and I unironically got scared. First and only time ever by a mobile game.
>>744550952Anon, you can go back and open them and I don't think there are any more forbidden chests after Phon anyway. Also I'm pretty sure there's a second method to obtain the spear.
>>744548142Full S Link + compendium NG runs aren't that bad in P4, and basically free if you don't brick yourself on summer break with Kawakami in P5. P3 is where the real fuckery needs to happen, though, and OG without a guide is basically impossible without intense autism. P1 and P2 though are probably worse since trying to fuse so many things would make you want to kill yourself.
>>744539114Star Ocean 3 100% in game trophies
>>744550710It's up there among the all-time survival horror GOATs but gets a lot of flak due to some absolutely retarded puzzles and missions plus the hilariously ill-fitting English dub. Still would recommend it and the sequel though.
>>744551092Anon we're not talking about your fanfic.
>>744550854
FF tourist here, just dropped FFX after 10 hours or so due to boredom, could X-2 possibly be worth playing despite this? Only asking because Yuna is impossibly cute.
>>744553727X2 is fantastic it's just a pain to 100%
>>744553727No
>>744553727X-2 needs you to care about the characters and story of the first one.
>>744551324man, FUCK some of those trophies
>>744555317It really doesn't.
>>744555451True, i guess you could just skip the cutscenes and fuck around with the dress spheres.
