Hulkenberg has no ass

>>744541106
its veeery mediocre. Shitty characters for the most part and lame ass story.
Only combat was fun

>>744541106
It wasn't set in Japan and all of the main characters weren't 16, simple as

>>744541106
>heralded as a brand new IP from Atlus to celebrate 35 years
>it's just Persona, but boring

>>744541106
Unfinished rushed mess

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The gameplay is kinda whatever and really feels like a slog in the late game.
The story is not amazing.
And the social link system was pretty disappointing. hopefully in royale or king edition of whatever atlus remaster they do of it, they'll flesh out s-links and let me date hulkenberg.

It doesn't have characters saying senpai every few minutes

i didnt play the first game so skipped it

>>744541106
I wonder how much they paid for all of those articles that came out around its release talking about how politically sharp its story was and how blonde dude was the best JRPG villian ever

>>744541106
>strange journey ahh soundtrack
>le have vs le have nots
>le book where society is le perfect
solid 7/10 maybe even a 7.5
needed more dating elements unironically
Smt iv tackled similar ideas but having better atmosphere
very pretty game tho, meta 2.0 where we play god in medieval world ala smt iv and date anime bitches when?

>>744541106
It was the setting mainly. The big fans of P5 excited to play it for the first time had nothing to latch onto here.

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>>744541106
I only ever see it mentioned in E33 seethe threads and fairy threads.

>>744541387
>whatever atlus remaster they do of it
They're never doing one.

>>744541106
>Was it the lack of dating sim mechanics stifling waifu discourse
Yes.
As obnoxious as waifutards are, they are the most passionate Atlus fans. Even with SMT you have a lot of hot demons.

>>744541553
>solid 7/10 maybe even a 7.5
my thoughts exactly. its just decent not memorable at all

>>744541310
This. Atlus are the biggest one trick pony in the industry.

>>744541623
Really? dam I'm just so used to them doing them that I had assumed it was guaranteed. well I guess metaphor will always just be mid then.

>>744541387
They're really not going to do one. They're not even going to do a sequel unless they drop it on third stringers like Soul Hackers 2 got. Everyone at Sega knows Hashino barely got away with converting it into a naked Persona clone in the last couple of years of development of an 8 year dev game.

>>744541583
never stop posting this, they hate to see it

>>744541106
>Even less ass than the assless Persona series
>No dating
Doesn't take a rocket scientist

>>744541106
I never even played it because I kept waiting for the definitive release of the game. But they haven't done one yet.

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>>744541194
I still have no clue why they fucked up Hulkenberg's ass. The bottom pics are both from E10+ rated games by the way.

>>744541106
I've seen more discussion about it post release than the P3 remake.

>>744542610
Is thta scarlet violet in the bottom left? I thought that game looked far worse. Like aliasing wise and such. Even it is a small pic.

>>744541106
It's a 30 hour story full of characters with 30 hours worth of depth stretched to 100+ hours. Even P5R isn't anywhere near as egregious with the filler

>>744542336
Word is they're not making those anymore because it hurts sales of the base versions. P6 might not get one either.

>>744542717
No, it's Legends Z-A.

>>744541106
Weird FF fans still think about it and bring it up every day. I don't think anyone else cares.

>>744541889
Any source on this? Game sold well didn't it.

>>744541106
It's a game that exists entirely as a one-off thing, because all of it's "unique" elements are just things that other Atlus games have done in the past. How are they going to justify having a 1:1 recreation of an EO1 dungeon beyond it simply being fanservice? How are they going to justify that somehow an underground japanese structure is on an european island beyond being an SMTIV reference?

>>744541553
You can say ass here faggot

>>744542610
Cowards.

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>>744542965
Metaphor hit around 2 million in sales really quickly then plateaud HARD, only selling less than half a million units over the last year and a half. Outside of Atlus diehards there hasn't really been a crossover market for it like the Persona games.

>>744541106
Let's see, shitty Persona systems that serve no purpose in this kind of epic RPG such as Calendar and Social links. Ugly as fuck color palette. Laughable difficulty. Shitty and repetitive story. It's a game for no one.

Post Rebirth sales since you like to talk about it so much.

>>744541106
No romance options in an RPG with a literal rela system AND YOU'RE THE FUCKING KING WITH NO QUEEN is fucking gay and stupid.

Combat isn't deep enough compared to SMT.
Waifu/Life sims aren't deep enough compared to Persona.

They tried to be halfway between SMT and Persona, but didn't reach the heights of either of them.
Also there's far too few Archetypes for how little each one does.
Extremely shallow system when compared to Persona/SMT fusions/skills/traits etc

>>744542771
On the genuine big hits they'll still do big DLC expansions that are just a slightly different way to sell Royal/FES/Golden style content.

>>744541806
>I'm just so used to them doing them that I had assumed it was guaranteed.
Atlus literally said that them doing Upgraded versions of games may have been a big mistake because now everyone assumes a better version will come later, hurting sales.

>>744541267
this

half the posts in this thread are from 1 person

>>744544795
Even its threads don't draw lmao

>>744544321
well yea but how do they expect people to react?
they sold the same game twice with just update and maybe a DLC story update.
if anything they should not have been getting away with it for so long, now people have realized they just go no we wont do it anymore but also don't produce dlc?
Im starting to hate atlus.

>>744544942
Really sucks.
Metaphor is so close to being great, but it needs that FES version

>>744541106
Because in this grand political story they couldn't let the player have fun with a variety of wacky political choices to pick from, so no arguing between fans about which choice is the best for the world like in Fallout New Vegas
They couldn't even be assed to slap in a standard Chaos/Neutral/Law choice

>>744544321
>Atlus literally said that them doing Upgraded versions of games may have been a big mistake
they did not
you will slurp up the new metaphor content just like you will slurp up the new p6 content

>>744544321
This was only ever parroted in persona fan circles because it was never actually true

>>744543359
>only selling less than half a million units
holy cope lmao
metaphor is Atlus' 4th best selling game of all time and it outperformed all but 1 RGG Studio game's LTD in a year, including Yakuza 0, that's exactly why the publisher has no trouble showing how well it's doing
They will absolutely do a DLC or sequel or both

The game is about a face showing up in the sky and telling people to hold a popularity contest to decide who the next king will be. That answers the question.

>>744546347
yeah that's not relatable to persona larpers

>>744546371
New Persona fans are the people this game was made for.

It's just a Persona 5: Isekai Edition. I'm sick and tried of fucking sick of P5 already.

>the personaseether is here

>>744546442
lol
lmao

>>744541106
Its gr8

>>744546458
probably haven't played either game

>>744546201
Yeah, and they also invested more time and money into it than anything but P6. Diminishing returns isn't a complicated concept anon. I'm sure they're in the black for it, but I doubt it's the kind of profits that would inspire them to do a remake/sequel

>>744541413
>*GASP*
>AKIHIKO SEMPAI IS IN TROUBLE!!!!

>>744541106
I just think the combat mechanics weren't very well thought out. There are too many surprise boss battles where if you go in with the wrong party comp you're fucked, and the only solution is to quit to the menu and reload. If you could switch jobs like you can switch personas it would be fine.

>>744546548
>I know how much money they invested into the game trust me
You might as well just say "okay I give up"

>>744541106
persona but with cringe modern politics

>>744546628
They had to make a dedicated in-house studio that worked on it for 8+ years. Look at the UI art and animated cutscenes and tell me they didn't spend a shit ton of money making it. That's not even getting into how hard they advertised it when it came out

>>744541106
it baffles me it even caught on since it's so ugly

>>744541106
No waifus for the weebs and degens
No fanservice
The story takes itself more seriously than the average Persona game so any SOL anime fans got filtered

>>744546806
The game didn't even go into full production until 2019
https://personacentral.com/metaphor-refantazio-developer-interview-protagonist-archetypes/
But keep acting like you have any idea what you're saying

>>744546878
how does that deny that they spent a lot of money making it though? you're just proving his point

>>744546950
>I'm just proving your point by saying something that openly contradicts it
stay in school

I've never seen a single intelligent person that didn't like metaphor desu

>>744547032
I'm gonna tell you a secret anon
You've never seen a single intelligent person

+1 reply count to a thread that will probably not hit bump limit because everyone knows not to engage the FF circlejerk on /v/ over this game

>>744547032
>I've never seen a single intelligent person that likes metaphor desu
ftfy

>>744546878
>ackschually they only had 100s of
people working on it full-time for 5 years
In what way does this disprove my point lol
Why are Atlus fans so uppity?

>>744547123
The only thing that wasn't pure hyperbole with nothing behind it coming out of your mouth was the idea that they were working on the game for almost a decade. You didn't have any point to begin with, but even this wasn't true

>>744547232
This is an image board anon, nothing came out of my mouth

>>744541106
It was boring.

forced thread
i can smell the desperation

>>744547606
yeah metaniggers really like to defend their trash game for whatever reason

>>744548081
white people are tired of you lying about things

>>744548190
despite being in asia, india will never be white

>>744548325
neither will asia lol

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>>744547606
The game was pretty meh
Now kill yourself

Wasted potential ngl. I absolutely hated the main twist.

>>744541106
>lack of dating sim mechanics stifling waifu discourse
answered their own question for 500 tv show host , and our survey says

I didn't play it because it came out too close to Reload and I didn't want to get into another 100 hour Atlus game.

>>744541106
no schoolgirls to breed presumably, 0/10

Metaphor > E33 >>> Rebirth

>>744542610
Atlus loves skinny bitches its not like any of the Persona girls have any booty either. Hulkenberg just stands out because shes wearing tights/leggings.

>>744542610
Metaphor was clearly developed in the brief window of time where Japanese devs all got tricked into believing that they needed to make girls sexually unappealing or else the 4 horseman of the apocalypse would come for them.

>>744543359
The issue with Metaphor is that while it's a good enough game in it's own right it doesn't really do anything to fill a niche. It just feels like a poorman's attempt at making Persona without anything that persona fans would want from a Fantasy Persona game. People always point to the lack of romance and yes that literally did kill the marketability of Metaphor and anyone even trying to deny it is coping but even ignoring that the social sim gameplay in Metaphor is steaming hot garbage. There's literally nothing to do with your time beyond doing your confidants, grinding social stats or doing quests/dungeons.

>>744541106
No dating mechanics
Literally the only thing people talk about for Persona games are arguments over which waifu is the best, so yeah this game cockblocking their typical audience didn't go down as well

>>744551076
Makoto has a nice little round ass. Hopefully they fix Metaphor for the S2 release

>>744551298
Japan caves to Western censorship, but the West's attempt at a full capture of Japanese AAA (Forspoken) crashed and burned. Metaphor was developed during the peak of Western censorship of Japanese games.

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>>744541106
this game is actually good and Hulken(((berg))) is hot

>>744541106
>what if persona but half the dialogue is just gay liberal talking points
I'm good thanks

>>744551496
also the followers/SLs all inherently suck more because they have to waste half the progress on worldbuilding to create context. In an urban fantasy game like persona you can purely write about the character and their story because the player knows how the world works already.

>>744541106
It was pretty uncontroversial and didn't have that much for schizos to latch onto

>>744551750
>Metaphor was developed during the peak of Western censorship of Japanese games.
The biggest proof of this is the game having no romance

>>744551686
There really isn't going to be one. Hashino is already on to the next preproduction hell.

>>744551946
That is a very good point yeah. The confidants in Metaphor are incredibly forgettable for that reason. It's also obviously not a coincidence that every single party member without fail is one of the different races without a single overlap like the cast is just a vehicle for each race's position politically instead of having any agency of their own.

>>744541106
>doesn't have the addictive gameplay, sexy demon bitches and thematic depth of SMT
>doesn't have the waifu pandering of Persona
Pointless game. Soul Hackers 2 was better.

>>744541106
I hated the MC. He should have been older, at least old enough to fuck Hulkenberg, he looked like a 12yo kid.

>>744552258
He was supposed to be 14 but simply amped up the age to 18 for western sensibilities

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>>744541106
>No monster recruitment/collection because everyone has quasi-Persona... that you have to grind the fuck out of to level up
>No romance, most Persona "discussion" is just people posting waifus or arguing over waifus. It genuinely would've been cool to pick a queen and have a coronation/royal wedding epilogue
>Generic ass plot
>Generic characters
>Original setting means you don't know who's who and the game has to do huge amounts of exposition. You also constantly travel around so you don't get comfy familiarity compared to say something like Inaba from Persona 4
>Generic fantasy enemies you'd see in an uncreative DND inspired game/anime, instead of the demons from SMT

>>744552060
The Switch 2 version is coming in November that's what I'm talking about

>>744552443
>No monster recruitment/collection because everyone has quasi-Persona... that you have to grind the fuck out of to level up
desu this isn't really a problem since DDS did it too, but DDS atma avatars are way cooler than metaphor's archetypes since they at least feel unique to the character. The rest of the archetypes just feel kind of generic fantasy knight / mage / thing in armor. Soejima has never been good at monster design like Kaneko was.

>>744541106
Annoying fucking soundtrack that literally insists upon itself.

I knew it was over when the third main dungeon was a half hour stealth mission

>>744541106
It has enough staying power to live in your head rent free kek
Rebirth will never be as critically or financially successful as Metaphor :)

>>744541106
Other than Persona 3-4-5 no Fatlus game has any staying power at all, in fact most Persona fans don't even know Fatlus make other games even though Metaphor is objectively a better game than Persona 3-4-5. Persona fans are probably what you'd call bandwagoner.

>>744553290
please don't try star wars fan "umm it's actually better than the originals" meme hypercope

>>744553339
Then why did it win more awards than any other Persona game and why did it beat E33 at Japan Game Awards? :)

>>744553290
>most Persona fans don't even know Fatlus make other games
Most Persona "fans" don't even play the games

>>744553290
You are fucking crazy if you think metaphor is better than 5(the game is shares almost all of its systems from) let alone p3 the game that created the genre of time management jrpgs

>>744541106
Cause it's fucking boring

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It was my 2024 GOTY, but I still like Persona more

Not adding romance was simply hubris. Any persona discussion is 80% waifus. Any BG3 discussion is 80% waifus, Mass Effect, FF7, fucking Fire Emblem. 80-100 hour storygames that aren't propped up by waifufaggotry all have really strong narratives or really crunchy game mechanics(Disco Elysium and Owlcat games, respectively(Owlcat games are 40% discussion of build autism and only 60% waifu faggotry).
Perhaps Hoshino thought he was shipping out that kind of game? That betrays a critical lack of discernment. Maybe he just wanted to subvert waifu fags? Well congrats on having the shortest tail on any atlus game this side of Soul Hackers dos

>turn based story focused JRPG
>the story and characters suck
shocked I put 50 hours into it, but I'll probably never finish it

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>>744541106
You will never be him

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>>744541106
If you saw the early production of the game compared to the final product, you can see why it failed. Such amazing potential turned into a generic Persona title.

>>744553390
because videogame journalists are completely tasteless and brainless score triangulators

>>744555105
because it was never anything but art assets piling up while Hashino and his inner circle got more and more panicked when they realized they don't know anything outside of Persona tropes

>>744555206
*and Hashino's "RPG 3.0" will be Persona but with timed blocks

>>744541106
ugly fucking art

>>744550858
reverse it and youd be spot on

>>744551298
>the brief window of time
What are you smoking? Not only has it been going on for a while, it hasn't stopped and shows no sign of stopping. Japan's social autism ensures that as long as there's one person somewhere who might be offended by something, they'll happily self-censor their creations forever.

>>744555807
There were some good times where you could play uncensored stuff if you knew japanese or if you applied a patch to restore things from the japanese version. No more. Now even the jap versions are cucked. It's cucked from the development stage.

Sad.

>>744541583
Rent-free.

>>744544795
Yeah, it's one asshurt Fatlus fanboy doing unpaid damage control.

>>744541106
I'm never touching another Atlus gaming after playing Persona 3. It's one of the worst games I've ever played

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>>744555105
>THIS IS NOT PERSONA
>THIS IS NOT MEGAMI TENSEI
>it's actually both of those and also Etrian Odyssey

>this garbage thread is still getting bumped to oblivion
kek

>>744541550
Plot armor man. The villain with the writers continuously straining themselves to get him to the end because they were required to have the most archetypically boring villain imaginable. Literally any other villain than him at the end would have been better and less boring.

>>744553854
>the shortest tail on any atlus game this side of Soul Hackers
That's SMTVV actually lmao
moving 500k copies in year 2 actually puts it at #3 best legs in the company's history, though the gap between #2 and #1 is pretty big

>>744560459
this post only exists because you know everyone constantly praises the antagonist in this game

>>744541106
Once you remove the inherited themes and allusions from the mythological beings Atlus relies on, their bare storytelling is usually pretty weak.
Devil Survivor is the only Atlus game I have ever played that I thought had unambiguously good writing.

No romance. Felt unfinished. I personally dropped it at the last dungeon because I was disgusted at the big twist at the end. Game just falls off a fucking cliff at the opera house.

>>744560623
>Devil Survivor
kek

>>744560540
You don't think the writers are insulting you when they pull deus ex machina to save him twice? Once near the start and once with the clear Beelzebub ripoff using some revive nonsense. That's some heavy handed shit that's clearly the sign of bad writers with a mandate to get the 'cool' guy to the end and no skill level to do it within the normal confines of the plot.

>>744560712
Wow anon you sure know literally anything about the plot of this game

anti-metaphor posters are so angry all the time because they literally can't go anywhere without being called retarded
even when they go into a persona space and they think persona fans should all hate it because there's no dating teenagers they get shit on
it's actually kind of miserable

>>744560815
Dating teenagers is objectively based

>>744560815
I think it's funny that you think your damage control shilling is going to save this trasheap from being relevant, you can samefag all you want but your lowercase speech is the same across all boards by the way. For someone who complains about SEA and ESL you sure can't even type in proper capitalized english.

>>744560882
>I think
you should do less of that if "everyone I don't like is the same person" is the best you can come up with

>>744541106
It was brown and woke and had the soul sanitized out of it. Expect this of all the new persona demakes and every original from Atlus from here on out. Here's to you, The Modern Audience!

>>744560815
Two of the girls LITERALLY throw themselves at the MC in their social links. It felt like being able to pick a waifu was cut last minute and it hurt the game tbqh.

>>744560965
didn't play the game, probably don't play persona either

>>744560946
>doesn't deny the rest
Btw, "they get shit on" uses a comma, rajeesh. I know they don't teach grammar in india.

>>744560761
So go ahead and explain how the eye in the sky protecting him literally isn't plot armor. You can't attribute good villainy to him when he's invincible du due to faggoty rules the writers aren't required to tell you about that they can just bring up post hoc as to how he's done some great feat of connivery. It's using information asymmetry to make the player feel like a moron. Which is fine if they didn't try to pass him off as some great schemer and admitted he was just a lucky putz being protected but the guy does nothing except rely on forces of fate and the game to keep him invincible to the end. All the while pretending he's some grand great JRPG schemer.

>>744541106
>dating one of the girls was clearly cut despite it making total sense plot wise
>the persona time management system didn't fit well
>the game needed more etrian odyssey elements
>you couldn't fuck the fairy

>>744560965
Already happening with 4, but leftards will pretend not to understand literal news announcements.

>>744561065
If you played the game at all and didn't just watch someone stream the demo (probably while glazing the fuck out of it which pissed you off to no end I'm sure) you would know he had no idea any of that shit at the start was even going to happen and he spent the whole game trying to get around it, not take advantage of it
All anti-metaphor posters literally have shit for brains and posts like these just reinforce that fact

>>744560815
Yeah, the game is in the category where you just dishonor yourself if you don't at least respect it.

>>744560815
story and dialogue in metaphor is retarded
dating sim school simulator is boring

It has one of the worst Job systems in the genre and following the Persona formula too closely (calendar, social stats, s.links, ect) did it no favors.

>>744541106
No romance. Any other reason is disingenuous and contrived. No one talks about modern Personas beyond the romance, nobody talks about the gameplay, plot beats, etc. Adachi was an accidental good antagonist and Maruki is a meme, everything else is the waifus. That's literally it, and every single other reason is minuscule in comparison.
>b-buh my writing
Shit on the same level as P5, which still gets threads to this day
>muh combat
Better than P5, and obviously infinitely worse than any mainline SMT game. It never mattered for what this game goes for.
>muh woke
Modern personafags are reddittroons, this is a moot point. Ironically those people only ever buy games with romance, kinda what happened with FE Awakening.

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>>744555105
This initial conception of the game was ultimately one of the game's weakest points, not because of any disappointment people who had been keeping up with it since it was announced as Re Fantasy may have had, but because the remnants of this more standard fantasy setting are boring and can be seen through the whole game. It's not the likes of the Shinjuku dungeon with its Human enemies that bring the game down, it's the bog-standard forests where you fight goblins and crows. Even the game's ultimate boss is just a boring dragon that featured in the Re Fantasy concept art.

I think the biggest issue with the game is it being too afraid to stray from Persona, but it also should have felt more committed to straying from this standard fantasy setting as they developed it, because clearly they had some more interesting ideas that just take a backseat for basic fantasy shit. I would have loved to see something like this cave with circuitry in it with enemies fitting that theme over what the game has.

>>744541106
Unironically this entire decade of atlas games have been whatever. It's crazy to think how much atlas managed to do 2000-2010 or 2010-2020 compared to this decade so far

>>744541106
imo this was better than persona and i wish they'd make a mix of smt and this (for adults) instead of another school simulation. i began atlas games too late in my life to have any interest in persona games.

>>744561274
Something is definitely wrong with you. Why do you think I'm anti metaphor because Louis sucks? You can't even read my posts well enough to decipher I don't hate the game and you expect me to argue with you or take your bullshit seriously? If you want your shit taken seriously you need to point out anywhere I was anti metaphor. Until then stfu. Otherwise you will just misinterpret me again and waste more of my time. Already you've schizo'd enough that I don't understand it or hate it or watch streamers or these hypothetical streamers ALSO glaze it on top of all your other mountain of bs.

Not having multiple endings or branching paths hurt it a lot
No replayability value

>>744569814
>replayability on a game that's 100 hours long
Retard

>Zero relatable characters
>Contradicting themes, they'll say one thing and then realize they were fucking retards and throw the lesson out the window

>>744541106
The job system sucks dick
I liked that they tried adding dungeons for side quests but there are like 4 tilesets for them, and two of them are basically the same while the other two aren't super interesting either
The designs for pretty much all characters except Louis are kinda boring as shit
I don't want to say anything about the story, it's just whatever, at the very least it did surprise me once near the end but that's it

>>744554897
>End of Metaphor is just them waking up and it says they're from the Nirvana alpha project
k-kino

>>744569992
Metaphor is like 70 something hours long at most
Persona 5 is longer and still hasa more replay value

im on the last month and desu im struggling hard to finish it, my motivation is at an all time low still need to do 1 dragon , and the coliseum (didnt touch it).

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I played this game start to finish on hard and thought was awful.

>Story delays itself from progressing until its too late and dumps everything on you at the end like it ran out of time
>Characters are boring and ALL preach racism/classism bad in their social links.
>Hard mode combat is lame where normal encounters are stronger then bosses because if you don't kill them in the two turns they are stunned they will kill you even if you are high enough level to kill them in the overworld without a fight.
>archetype system is on the most horrible progression systems I've ever seen and a massive step down from anything atlus has made before
>Intense grinding is required to beat the dragons and powered up final boss.
>Graphics look like shit
>environments are small
>it has the presentation of a ps2 game.

The only good thing I can say about it is I liked the music, the visual style or asthetic (that really only shines in the menus of all things) and that the battle presentation looks good but other then that its not great. It feels outright unfinished while also being stretched out.

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>>744542771
I have a hard time believing this because Fatlus hasn't released an official statement on this. And SMT 5 Vengeance was only 2 years ago, so the window is still out on whether this game gets a rerelease version or not.

>>744570109
It's longer than literally every single Atlus game that isn't named Persona 5.
>still has more replay value
No it fucking does

>>744570028
nice bump for the thread

>>744570628
The window for game completion is tighter it takes place over a few months there's not a lot of room to add new content.

>>744571201
There's an entire year between the final boss and credits role, they can (and will) do the same thing they always do

extremely desperate thread from desperate people

>>744570628
Wasn't it Atlus themselves who said they're not going to do rereleases anymore?

>>744571330
Metaphor BROKE you

>>744546201
Hashino already said in an interview that he told his staff not to rush a Metaphor 2. He wants them to make sure they really want to make that game rather than feel they have an obligation to do so. He's probably seething that he expected Persona to do blockbuster numbers without the school sim/Japan elements that has been holding the series back, yet it turns out no one cares without them.

>>744541106
Unironically the lack of waifubait. P5 owes part of it's success to the girls' designs and the waifudom around them.

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Good first entry. Let's see what they can cook up for the sequel.

>>744571582
>He's probably seething that he expected Persona to do blockbuster numbers
meanwhile in reality
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/metaphor-refantazios-pc-sales-far-exceeded-atlus-expectations-says-director-katsura-hashino/

>>744571582
I swear they said recently that they've started on Metaphor 2.

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>>744571330
And yet you're helping to bump it

>>744571739
studio zero has had another project cooking since before metaphor came out though hashino won't share any of the details yet
he wants the team to start taking on multiple projects simultaneously creating the same kind of opportunities the persona team gave to younger staff, so it's more likely that he would end up working on metaphor 2 himself while giving metaphor rerelease/dlc to someone else to direct, as was traditional for the persona team

>>744571787
>bumping a thread already at page 1
do you think about anything ever

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>>744571739

>>744571867
the sad thing is you can't tell at a glance if this was made by a third world /v/ poster coping or someone making fun of them

chuds hate it because "maybe we should treat other nice"

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>>744571958
I did it!

>>744571986
chuds that are literate like it because it shows trying to homogenize race doesn't work

Incel virgins hate it because they can't collect an harem of imaginary e-waifus and masturbate and shit

>>744572024
there are no human races, that is a scientific fact

>>744571861
Not everyone's PoV of the Catalog is the same as yours dumbass.

>>744560815
It doesn't matter how much you beg Personafags, we won't defend this shit

>>744572159
From how upset you are, I have a feeling there's not much of a 'we'

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>>744568087
>the bog-standard forests where you fight goblins and crows
This wasn't a setting problem it was a budget and effort problem. Almost all of the dungeons are Mementos-tier scrap content probably cobbled together in an afternoon from left over assets, they did the same in Persona. The gap between the quality of overworld areas like Yongen-Jaya and the blank corridors you actually fight in hits you like a car crash

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>>744541106
Many anons have already pointed it out, but this game feels like "We have Persona at home."
Atlus wanted to make something that's not Persona, but everything about it feels like a watered down version of it.

>>744572196
For god's sake, you are unable to make a metaphor thread that's not woe me

>>744571867
I believe this image.

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>>744541106

I started playing recently and lost interest when I reached the dragon in the first cave dungeon. The game feels. Everything in the game is so over the top but I still have to force myself to care about any of it.

>>744541106
Boring characters
Boring story
Boring gameplay
Boring buff/debuff/aliment mechanics
Boring environments
Boring build crafting
Ugly character design
Boring OST

Having finished it a few months ago I cannot understand why it was popular on release. This game is a 4 or 5 out of 10. It doesn't feel like the same company who made the SMT games produced it. I honestly cannot think of anything positive to say about it.

>>744572752
>I reached the dragon in the first cave dungeon
filtered

>>744541106
Mediocre gameplay, compounded by removal of features they are known for in earlier, carried by the lack of other more anticipated titles (Which is carried by it's drop off in online traffic post announcements of P4R and P6).

Same story as 3h, it took off because it was the closest thing on the switch to P5R before it got added, which by the time it came out also caused web traffic for it to dwindle down before Fortune Weave's discourse started.

How come people beg for ports on the switch, only for them to never talk or even play the games they were obnoxious about?

>>744572353
>Many anons
kek

>>744572798
>hates the game
>still finishes it
Yup that's the magnificent brilliance of Hashino-sama hooking you to the screen

>>744572919
If 5/10 is hate then what's 1/10?

>>744572919
anon you can't expect OP to be able to say the same thing over and over again so many times and still make sense this late into the thread
>but there's only 200 posts in 12 hours
exactly

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>>744541106
It was off-putting—giving off a vibe of "Look at me, I'm a 'good boy' developer" and paying shallow, pointless lip service to this kind of stupid trivial art.
What’s more, their other works aimed at Japanese audiences depict social issues with biting harshness—things like Christian elitism, a "human farm" run by Jews, arrogant whites think the world is theirs, and deceptive media... etc.
Yet, when it comes to Western audiences, they hold back and play it safe. That’s exactly why it’s not interesting.

I really liked it and had fun. /v/ just has shit taste in everything. Louis was a cool "villain" though honestly for a JRPG it still felt too short for me, and some of the writing went off a cliff towards the last 20% of the game.

>>744572996
legitimate mental illness

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>>744541106
Despite becoming common place as a rpg setting these days, Fatlus was more creative making titles set in the modern day or in urban locales (including Raidou), excluding Etrian since they're fine as post apoc fantasy dungeon crawlers
An uninspired fantasy setting without the main draw of persona's SoL system doesn't mean much despite being their anniversary clapbait title for their company as a whole.
It doesn't help that it looks really ugly compared to even P3R, let alone P5.

I feel like retards here wouldn't bring up the visuals at all if the game didn't win best art direction

never should've religiously quoted the OP for over half the thread every single time one of these were made, most never would've noticed how much of these threads are spam from one person otherwise and maybe you would have your manufactured consensus by now

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>>744573134
It really looks like a generic modern 3d graphics game with literally zero visual direction beyond the character's outfits and a couple of cutscenes featuring Louis. I don't know what poll or journalist cabal gave it this distinction, but the game's visuals speak for itself.

>>744573342
what's wrong, doesn't look enough like a chink gacha to hold your attention?

>>744572996
Um... what?

>>744573425
please be patient the drugs are starting to kick in

>>744551946
Would it have worked better if they'd gone all-in and done it old school sword and sorcery style with all the confidants being entirely about worldbuilding? I know the lore crowd is autistic as fuck these days.

I thought it was good but it was beneath the standard I expect of Atlus. As other Atlus-adjacent games the same year go, I thought Vengeance and Unicorn Overlord were a lot better.

>>744573498
nah it's easily their best game

>>744573532
the drugs have reached the bloodstream

>>744573573
sorry to hear that

>>744573407
It looks more like a chink gacha than any other Atlus game. It's a clearcut downgrade from their past games with there being zero distinct visual identity in that screenshot.

>>744573134
I would've done it without that, I had those feelings ever since the demo came out.

>>744573342
It's clear that they had solid concept artists on the team but that they didn't spend any time or money on making 80+% of the game look acceptable so all of the effort went into a limited number of set pieces, promotional material, UI and headline art. Just enough for journalists who didn't play the game to praise the periphery material

>>744541106
Get woke go broke

>>744541734
>Last non-MegaTen game they developed was Etrian Odyssey Nexus in 2018.

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>>744574623
There's also pic i guess.

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>call it a remake
>it's actually a KH spin off sequel
Why did SE do this?

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KEK

>>744560249
It's almost persona, almost SMT, and absolutely nothing like EO

If might have actually been a 10/10 if they made it more like EO

>>744576521
Anyone who likes E33 is a retard.
Asset slop soup with every single mechanic ripped off from a different jrpg, but used non-anime art so retards ate it up

>>744576729
Name one game released in the past 10 years that has even one single thing that isn't a mechanic used in other games. You can't cause you're talking out of your ass using fake buzzword criticisms when you don't actually have anything of value to say.

>>744541106
No dating
pretty much instant death for a game like this

>>744541106
The time management system of Persona doesn't make as much sense outside of the setting of a Japanese high school where their lives are rigidly scheduled.

A better sort of time system for Metaphor would have been something like Fire Emblem 3H, and I hate 3H as a FE game.

>>744541106
not softsided and immature enough for the Persona audience, not hardcore and mature enough for the Shin Megami Tensei audience

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>>744576849
NTA but do indies count?

>>744541550
>blonde dude
It's almost funny how hard the writers tried to keep him as a threat when you literally spend the entire game beating the shit out of him
I was so pissed when he came back after the opera house fight where you
1. Throw a spear through his shoulder
2. Gang up to beat his ass
3. Impale him with a sword
4. Drop him like 6 stories down on to a stage
and then he just walks it off with zero plot explanation. That's not even touching on all of the other times where the writers had to save him through "reasons".
Honestly the story would have been more interesting if they fully pivoted to Rella being the the antagonist for the rest of the game

>>744541106
>Story is not very good
>The twists either come out of nowhere, or are incredibly predictable
>Lifesim elements are actually pain to manage
>Most of the dungeons suck ass
>Much of the game is incredibly ugly and boring looking
I find it hard to think of anything I really liked about it.

>>744541106
It's very normal and human to stop and count the number of minorities you see when you first enter a city to determine how "inclusive" or "diverse" it is or whatever.

Woke garbage.

Why do personafags seethe so much about metaphor? It's almost like pokefags with palworld. Is every big JP game company filled with mentally ill western fans?

>>744577712
>I find it hard to think of anything I really liked about it.
The combat gameplay and the archetype team building systems which shit all over Persona

>>744576521
KEKAROOOOOO

>infiltrate the ship
>beat up 3 different officers and steal their card keys
>HOPE THEY DON'T TELL ANYONE this happened or that their keys were stolen
>wait SEVERAL DAYS for the banquet, IN YOUR HONOR, to start
>as the GUEST OF HONOR, SNEAK AWAY from the banquet and get on the ship to use the keys and steal shit
this is the most retarded plan ever
gameplay is fun but the fucking writing in this game i swear

>>744576521
>>744576729
trolling is forbidden outside of /b/

>>744550858
don't put GOTD between those abortions

>>744546534
How delusional do you have to be to pretend Hashino didn't just make P5 again but with muh racism?

>>744584620
delusional enough that he pretends every criticism of metaphor is done by one guy

solid 7/10 game but way too fucking long

>>744541106
it went woke

>>744584693
this
i'd also accept 6

>>744541106
I dont consider it a terrible game, but it was a pretty mediocre game.

Like, picture this. This mediocre game got a 94 metacritic, got a lot of awards and it beat fucking FF7 rebirth at TGA. I was like "wow, this game must be really legendary, right?" athen i played it

and then IT WAS FUCKING MEDIOCRE AS FUCK HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO BRAINWASHED. "THE MOST INTELLIGENT GAME EVER" MY FUCKING ASS.
People here love to say "muh romance" but that's literally nothing. The game is just mediocre all around. The graphics are ugly, the music is not varied enough so you hear the same tunes over and over again, the characters are boring, the story is boring (the villain is good though, probably the only good thing), Atlus worst protagonist ever (seriously, Will is fucking garbage as a self insert and as a protagonist), and the combat system is fine, but the customization (job system) is ass i dont know how can people defend this grindy "get a new job and grind it to become useable" retarded design. FFV wasnt like this at all.
In other words, if the game got a proper metacritic score like 85, i would have accepted it better, but no. If you game scores +90, then it must show it some what.

>>744541583
>expedition 33 blocks you're path

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The E33 jeets just showed up.

>>744584909
>HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO BRAINWASHED
Metaphor is the closest game to a brand new persona release that isn't shit like P5X so despite them saying they're "better than persona", most people literally only played the game because it is basically persona

>>744541106
Demo was kinda lame so I decided I would wait for the Royal edition before I gave them my money.

>>744585036
SMT VV>>> Metaphor>>>>>>E33>>>>>>FF7R

>>744560815
>even when they go into a persona space and they think persona fans should all hate it because there's no dating teenagers they get shit on
Personafags have no standards

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>>744541106
Browns still mad about this game I can tell.

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>>744585192
>Personafags have no standards
They actually have the highest standards.

>E33 seethe even in methaphor threads
i guess we know who makes those now

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holy autism

>>744585332
Yeah, let's forget all seethe about Metaphor and Rebirth on E33 threads.

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>>744541106
>still seething over MetaGOD ReFanKINO
Why are browns so mad about this game?

>>744585471
>no u
keep coping

>>744585545
It's one of the games that goes against the narrative

>>744585583
what narrative

>>744585682
That Atlus knows what they're doing

>>744585732
judging by metaphor and p3r, anyone should have enough evidence that they don't

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Why are E33cultists obsessed about this game?

>>744560815
>ackshually this medieval fantasy story with dozens of races, companionship, social links, hanging out with other women should not have romance because...because it shouldn't...OK!!!?

>>744572228
>see this enviroment
>"wow that looks cool can't wait to explore it!"
>most of the levels are dungeons are catacombs, castles, caves and sewers

>>744577234
>and then he just walks it off with zero plot explanation
did not play the game, what a surprise

>>744586164
There are tons of JRPGs with the same premise/without any romance and I swear I have never seen all this seethe about them.

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>Why are E33cultists obsessed

>>744573134
the visuals are vomit inducing, everything is jaggy, low detail on trees, fields, flat or square lacking any sort of cohesion, the only thing that looks nice are the menus and ui

>>744586390
And how this have anything to do with Metaphor?

>>744586380
It's because that isn't the real issue, that's what they think white folk should be complaining about so they hyperfixate on that to look white
the real reason why they hate the game is because culturally it's as far from their third world values as possible and calling the game woke to conceal that didn't catch on like they thought it would

>>744586489
>I can't read

>>744586472
Meanwhile you favorite game uses UE5 sloppa lmao

>>744586472
I would rather play a game with lower fidelity than metaphor that was also on its own engine with some kind of fucking identity than the latest chink slop tbqh

>>744586554
e33 also has awful looking menus, but it looks way better than midaphor rehashtazio, even with it's ue5 look to it, it looks way more clean and presentable than some jaggy ps3 assets

>>744586680
>clean and presentable
this is just another way to say sterile and fucking boring
and there is fucking nothing clean about the kike33 interface lmao especially not the pictos menu or the wall of numbers that pop up onscreen for every attack once you hit endgame

>>744582042
>nun uh its good because blunt attack on my guy with +50% slash damage
bitch shut the fuck up

>>744586534
Oh, I see, you thibk your strawman is a Metaphor fan without any proof to back up your retarded claims. E33 fans are really the jeets/niggers of JRPGs fandoms.

>>744586853
uh uh
why don't you make another seethe thread

>>744586960
>no argument
Concession accepted, Sadir saaar.

>>744586754
better than jaggy looking ps2 castles midaphor rehastazio has

>thread dead for hours after the schizo stops repeatedly replying to the OP pretending to be multiple people and goes to bed
>only picks up when white people come in to make fun of browns
Absolutely grim turnout for metaphor antis

>>744587005
>please argue with my trolling
just make the thread like you always do

>>744568087
>>744572228
it's clear they had no money/time to come up with cool dungeons like this.
also the calendar is fucking retarded in a fantasy rpg. can't even explore or grind to your heart's content.

>>744541621
>I only ever see it mentioned in E33 seethe threads
Funny, this thread partly turned into one somehow

>>744541106
The Virgo Island has been great, I just cleared the dungeon.

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>>744576521
Based

>>744541106
4chan isn't representative of staying power of any shit.

>>744541106
You play a twink that is essentially a nigger that also has a faggy relationship with some other fag twink in a coma. It was like atlus thought they should make a woke game because the west is making woke shit and then just went full throttle.

E33 won

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>>744589503
Yeah

>>744586612
That doesn't mean much when there are lower fidelity games that look more visually appealing than metaphor

>>744541583
Meds

metaslop and flop