why is vidya music taking over the world?
>>744549545do your dark souls boss composer boy hahahahaha
>>744549720this retired grifter has nothing to do with anything
what is more recognizable, the mario 1-1 theme or the star wars theme?
>>744549545Why are they annoyed? Vidya offers more freedom and creativity than Hollywood modern dogshit.
>>744550006anyone that is part of an orchestra (professional trained musician) probably is really autistically into it and wants to play original creations (or classics from famous composers) but that type of music doesn't fill stadiums anymore.
>>744550006It's the same as when someone has to stream [popular game] instead of what they want to because it's the only thing that gets decent views.
>>744549720kek this dude was seething at the Scaramouche opera singer like he was going to get the part
>>744550006>>744549996>vidya or kinoFOR CLASSIC MUSICIANS ITS VIDEO GAME MUSIC OR CLASSICAL MUSIC YOU DIMWITS
You retards, they're profitable because they're recording the music FOR the game. Shit's expensive.
>>744549720>Makes slop reaction videos selling himself as a music guru>Decides to actually showcase his "skills" besides slop reaction videos>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6VdxgE-xnE>It's shitEvery time
ENTERhttps://youtu.be/YrKMiE9WII0?si=tS1uvB6_VCVs_io0
All the musicians I know are nerds who prefer playing vidya music rather than some boring baroqueslop.
>>744550285>animeyou lost bro?
>>744549545I believe it. Whenever Genshin has a livestream with a big orchestra performing the music of the next version, they always look PISSED to be there.
>>744549545It's this and Lord of the Rings and yes, people who are in orchestras do hate it
>>744550343retard anon...
>>744550343evangelion is a vidya game
>>744550006They became an accomplished violinist/celloist to play Beethoven and Bach, not Undertale and Zelda.
>>744550343Evangelion was based on a video game thought?
>>744550110I get it but I also doubt the whole orchestra agrees on what they want to play
Industry fag, performed with a major city orchestra for years before switching careers. The only money in orchestras now is hosting a major soloist or playing pop stuff like movie soundtracks while the movie is playing (Lord of the Rings is a very popular one). With the ever increasing cost of living, winning your potential customers disposable income is becoming harder and harder, and traditionally going out to watch the major symphony in your area was already a fairly expensive outing. With the main boomer audience buying up mansions out in the suburbs, they're less likely to make the trip when before they would just take a cab from their condo. The younger audience isn't as engaged, especially with the extreme lack of music education through elementary and high school after decades of budget cuts. All that being said, vidya music would only help if it's something like the Mario movie music being played along with the movie. Unless it's someone like Austin Wintory guess conducting his originals, you really won't see many options out there for shows of just video game music
>>744550285>There are anons that don't know this video is fakethe original is madonna or somethingyou can tell it's fake by the recording sounding nothing like you'd expect a shitty 2000s handcam to sound like
>>744549545Cause normalfaggots are literal goycattle who must consoom.
>>744550510why?
>>744550510>I want to play the same symphonies everyone played for the last 2 centuriesFuck em
>>744549545Classical music is performec and sold out constantly all across Europe so I don't know what this guy is on aboutThe BBC proms literally sells out every one of its days
Because I am a tasteless retard. I mean that entirely genuinely without a hint of irony. I think I'm just not smart enough to appreciate classical music. Everyone's like, "well listen to the way he did the scale inverted in the tuning fork in flapjaw space" and I'm just like "yeah cool" but deep down I may think that it's probably technically impressive, but it didn't do anything for me because it wasn't a simple melody that I could easily hum, or that kind of thing.
>>744550510Some are forced to play Ravel's Boléro and Shostakovich's 2nd Waltz every week for geriatric boomers on a cruise or something
how did music as a Serious Art Form decline so rapidly? there's reasonable evidence to suggest that middle aged dudes ~100 years ago were familiar enough with artistic music to e.g. tell the difference between a soprano and a mezzo-soprano or name their favorite bach cantata or discuss wagner's theories of Gesamtkunstwerk (to an extent) - but now i think even rich, "cultured" types would assume Vivaldi is a type of cheese. how did this happen so rapidly? it's not as if it's a film vs. stageplay situation where one form radically supersedes the other w/r/t convenience; you can obviously still listen to classical on the radio, your mp3 player, spotify etc. it makes me sad, because the little of it that i've heard really is that good, and i wish i could have spent my childhood listening to bach instead of fucking nickelback
Is it not insane that millennials destroyed everything the western world stood for in just a decade?
Random Twitter postAnd it's probably not based on a damn thing, since the guy is blatantly lying:>>744549545>"And apparently all the classicam musicians are really annoyed by thart"Probably a lie. They hate having to play the same piece over and over again. Beethoven, Korzakov, Stravinsky, etc., are what the audience wants to hear, and from the documentaries and stuff like that I’ve seen, the musicians hate rehearsing the same damn thing all the time. Probably when a new piece of music for video games or movies comes along, they feel relieved, because they’ll have something different to rehearse and play.
>>744550006>Spend years and years of your life learning one of the most storied and intricate genres of music created>Your job options are to compose the background music to the SuperDude vs BadGuy movie or Bing Bing Wahoo: Starfield>Increasingly even SuperDude vs BadGuy is becoming nonviableGrim state of affairs
>>744550805Ghetto culture has been the downfall of western civilization. That's why/how.
>>744550790It sounds repetitive but it's an industry for music autism. You are only there at all because you enjoyed the repetition.
>>744550106But if it wasn't for vidya music they'd be stuck doing Hollywood Hans Zimmer bwaaa music
>>744550006Which is why the hollywood """people""" have been steadily ruining gayming for the better part of 25 years.
>>744550805Music is art and art holds no value.
>>744550407>Movie ends with Blanchett's character being reduced to playing video game music and directed by someone else and this is presented as rock bottom for her character>Next two big releases she did were an adaptation of Pinocchio and being Lilith in the awful Borderlands movieKWAB
>>744550836millennials were born in a shitty time so they turned into shit themselves, zoomers are even worse and alphags are cooked
>>744550805it's easy to get distracted instead of focusing on studying somethingthe next potential Mozart of today is probably jerking off right now
>>744550805>how did music as a Serious Art Form decline so rapidlyThere are 1000x as many people as good as mozart now making music you can listen to right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jioWKZAnUw0
>>744550790Still better than playing Megalovania in front of a bunch of sweaty NEETs
>>744550906t. didn't understand the movie or Blanchett's character arcThe absolute STATE of media literacy on this board
>>744550874I actually really like bwaaa music, but don't tell anyone. (but they do all sound the same)
>>744550805People put on music for background noise now rather than listening to music directly. The death of music being taken as a serious medium coincides with the end of the album era. Poptimism was the final blow.
>>744550805Defining luxury downward.
>>744550938Zoomers are pretty based, they value aesthetics way more than fatlennials ever did. They don't have obese acceptance and are the reasons gyms and good diets are booming.
>>744550407Funniest shit, I wasn't expect to laugh at the end of this movie.
>>744549545>i read somewhere that
>>744550846>They hate having to play the same piece over and over again.I heard from some of the DSO musicians who performed the FFVII Rebirth concert in Detroit that none of them knew what FFVII was, so for them it was just cool new music to play and they had a fun time with it despite the rehearsal process being rushed
>>744551040The reason gyms and good diets are booming is because shitlennials actions are catching up to them health wise and they had to course correct.
>>744550869I don't know, I'd rather learn something new once in a while rather than being a glorified midi controller.
>>744551127>FFVII Rebirth concert in Detroitsheeeeeeeeit
>>744549545it isn't, classical music just isn't very popular so orchestras have to do video game concerts/music to keep work coming in. pop and hip hop are still dominating popular culture for the most part
>>744550805>How did [GOOD PART OF CIVILIZATION] declined so quickly?Jews and Nigs, as always.
i read somewhere that OP is a faggot
I'm one of the biggest classical music nerds who is also a zoomer. I listen to classical muscians get interviewed on the radio all the time and NOT once has the topic of vieo game music come up.People are not interested in buying tickets for vidya music being performed. Those that are being tickets for classical muscians want to hear classic musicThis tweet is pure nonense
>>744550805New money is replacing old money and they don't care about that kind of stuff.
>>744551186>hip hopnot in years bro, hip hop is the most irrelevant its been in like 30 years right now. its actually country thats the most popular genre now
>>744550874Or they'd be out of a job cuz movie music is now "80s hit + bwaaa pauses", I cringed out of existence when I watched the new Jumanji trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhApeaHMvfs
What about genuinely well composed vidya music?
>>744551140Yeah but most are too far gone. Zoomers saw all the shit millennials were doing to themselves and the world and realized getting shitty tats, growing beards, polycules, manbuns, overpaying for avocado and eggs on brioche, meme music like ukeleles, walking simulators, capeshit, nostalgia obsession, renting for life, and body positivity was cringe as fuck and called them out on it.
I've imagined nonexistent vidya scores inside my head for most of my life and I intend to make them real when I'm not busy learning other things, and I even fantasized about having an orchestra perform and record them, but now I feel bad because I don't want the musicians to hate me for hiring them to work on digital toys
>>744550119Why though? You mean the live singer? Because the recorded vocals were by YPC himself.>>744550006>HollywoodRetard. Classical music is still composed today for its own sake and a tiny audience, not just as soundtracks for other media.
>>744551221>People are not interested in buying tickets for vidya music being performed.Explain all these E33 concerts then.
>>744551180Every city has nice areas. I'd live in a suburb of Detroit or Cleveland or St. Louis.
>>744551238>hip hop is the most irrelevant its been in like 30 yearsI think a large part of this has to do with hip hop being classified too rigidly when a lot of things should actually fall under that umbrella. Majority of popular music still has that tell-tale ghetto vibe.
>>744550805Desu it technically started in the 50s during the rise of novelty songs that came to dominate the airwaves at the time. The 60s and 70s saw a pretty hardcore blowback against it, but then it kind of gradually eroded again through the 80s hitting another nadir from about 1989 - 1991. The early 90s saw another pushback against it but it faded out pretty fast, and by the end of that decade music was basically treated as something completely disposable. Eventually we got Poptimism where critics pushed for the idea that anything popular whatsoever should be treated as being on equal footing as any of the classics inherently, and that's where it really ends. There's something really hysterical to me about the idea that the latest release by Drake should be treated on the same level as the works of Chopin.
>>744551357It also has to do with it becoming super incestuous and samey. Even rap from the late 00s is better. The 2010s soundcloud shit killed the genre.
>>744550971if i were a conductor who, as a child, had great ambitions of performing beethoven's 40th symphony to a packed audience, everyone rapt, watching you command the musicians, the music swaying and building, really in touch with art - and if i instead ended up conducting music from a chinese gambling game best known for the sizable corpus of pornography it spawned, i would probably have to kill myself on general principle
>>744550790I know one of these guys. Went to a prestigious conservatory and everything. Now he plays the piano for a restaurant in the VIP section of a casino, playing the same repetitive shit as background for the geriatric fossils that are donating their grandkids' inheritance in the roulette table.
>>744551309if it makes you feel any better, the musicians would starve otherwise
>>744551457A fate worse than death
>>744551457>>744551539It's a living.
>>744551309I want doujin circles to make a million remixes and interpretations of my songs, like Touhou.
>>744551449>to a packed audiencethey had a world tour to packed houses though
>>744551556It's a waste of life!
>>744550006It's the same reason localizers and game journalists are so spiteful: they failed to become actual writers and journalists so they think their current job is beneath them and they have contempt for the medium
If it means anything, the historical classical composers were making music for the masses. It's similar to how Shakespeare was making plays for a wide audience, not exactly high society
>>744549545How are they annoyedIf the only thing people listened to was rap music they'd be out of a job entirelyPlay the vidya music and be happy that there is classical influence on a lot of it.
>>744550973Im sure you're smart enough to explain it.
>>744551429>Even rap from the late 00s is betterIt really is. Every rapper had a very distinct style and personality, the musicianship was also just better because the guys actually making the beats were incredibly good and listened to music outside of hip hop. Now the samplers are people who strictly listen to hip hop so it's that old conundrum about people just sampling a sample which isn't quite right it's more like their tastes are so strict they are all sampling from an ever dwindling pool of sound.
SMB 1-1 is the modern symphony no. 9
>>744549545>why is vidya music taking over the world?ATTENTION EVERYONERUN FOR YOUR LIVES, VIDYA MUSIC HAS TAKEN OVER THE WORLD
>>744549545Because 99% of adults under 40 are manchildren.
>>744551757whatever you say unc
>>744550805>how did music as a Serious Art Form decline so rapidly?Because it is more accessible. Recorded music did not become sold in significant quantities until the 1890s, it really didn't take off until the turn of the 20th century when record labels popped up and it didn't become significantly popular until the 1920s via mass production of records and phonographs. That's 100 years of recorded music vs 50,000+ years of live music only. Music is just something you press a button and have now, so it's everywhere all the time, which makes it common which means you don't think about it as much. People like music and they listen to it earnestly and they think about it a lot, but there is a very big difference between pressing 'play' for the 20th time in one day every day and setting aside time and money to go listen to someone play, or listening to your friends/family play or playing an instrument yourself. I wouldn't say it's better or worse, only that it is extremely different.
>>744551743THEY'VE TAKEN OVER THE NAVY
I don't understand classical music. I am what you would call a plebeian.
>>744551429>>744551718I fucking despised rap from the late 00s and even I prefer it to what came after. I also think a contributing factor to its decline is just that it's getting old. It passed itself off as the new genre of the youth, but the first major rap single to chart was Rapper's Delight... in 1980. Rap today is literally older than rock was when rap first came out, by almost an entire decade. People's grandparents grew up listening to rap.
>>744551715When she hits rock bottom she comes back home and rediscovers the VHS tapes which made her fall in love with music (and conducting). She realizes that she spent way too much time caring about her idea of success rather than just the pure joy of music.At the end of the film she leaves everything behind to be in a place where she isn't recognized and is once again allowed to practice what she loves.
either that or classic songshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbre00wgcGE
>>744551279https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vugm7mKFI8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuPkV_P5zuU
>>744550805Because you have iPods?My Granpapi's time had people huddling around the radio or going to pass the night time in music venues to hear music for 2 hours. LA Noire had a scene about that:https://youtu.be/fda03t5FrvwJust like anything else that's published in your news bubble, you'll know about it because your bubble has nothing else to talk about.
>>744550510As a cellist of over 10yrs, I love Zelda music and happily would play it. Also things like Skyrim have great OSTsI only played the classics for competitions as those were the requirements + those songs are often really good for building skills that less complex game songs might not require but better to be overprepared than under
>>744549545Classical musicians should be happy to be making any money at all in the age of music streaming and all classical music having been recorded hundreds of times already
Ghetto culture cheapened the value of music. See all these people getting nostalgic about rap music. Kek
>>744550853Most famous classical music was just background music to plays and theatre shows.
>>744551449>a chinese gambling game best known for the sizable corpus of pornography it spawnedIt should be known as the inheritor setting of the Elder Scrolls but alas, it needs more sequels and/or that anime when it's out
>>744551858Rap’s growth was very artificial despite not really doing numbers it was forced to be a thing
>>744550006They figure videogames are beneath them
>>744550350During the VGA's I sometimes wonder if some of the orchestra are annoyed knowing most people are waiting to see the crazy flute guy
>>744550805jews couldn't monetize it so they killed it
>>744550350That trumpet nigga from Natlan looked happy
>>744552191Yes, the same way every violinist has been annoyed at the 1st Violin from the dawn of time.
You can still do things that are not profitable.
>>744549545The only classical music people still listen too is 150+ years old. The whole art form got completely jewed out trying to "do something new", instead of creating masterpieces. It's exactly what happened with modern visual art. That's why no one gives a single fuck about modern classical composers, and movie and game soundtracks are honestly closer to classical music people like than atonal catastrophes that they are coming up with now
>>744550805>Serious art formAny art form is as serious as you make it - you'll find enthusiasts that think the same if you look for them.As for being able to recall specific examples of the arts, I think that's just an exercise in class identity that we read about in those examinations of old guard elite circles. Old novels and the like. It may have been done in earnest, but it was primarily in the service of group identity. It's the same reason /mu/tants and /v/irgins all quote the same "lauded" albums and games - identity exercises.
>>744550805Jazz is treated as the "serious" band at least in my school network (nationally top contenders) so there just wasn't a lot of teaching specific to classical orchestra. Maybe if I was in strings it would have been different
>>744552340sex with kaho
>>74454954595% of modern video game music is generic movieslop
>>744552164And they're right.
>>744552371Penderecki, Gorecki, Ives, Cage, Glass, Reich, etc.
>>744551342Dwarfed by all the regular classical stuff that gets played all the time everywhere
>>744550836>>744550938>>744551040>>744551140>>744551302Samefaginb4 says I'm wrong despite the fact that the only mentions of *ennials in this thread are (un)coincidentally in every post of that conversationinb4 he untags several of his posts clientside and screenshots this post to pretend he isn't samefagging
>>744549545Man if I was a classic trained musician and I got to play in Final Fantasy Live concerts that would be fun for me. Maybe they should try playing the video games.
Why, and I mean this with 100% sincerity, why would anyone listen to classical music over Homer Drops His Donut style AI phonk? You've already heard every piece of genuinely classic music produced simply through raw cultural osmosis yet every single day there's mountains of new music being released online. All this bellyaching for classical music seems forced - if people cared as much as they claim there'd still be a market for it.
>>744552576>literal who>literal who>literal who>jew>jew>literal who
>>744552773>why would anyone listen to... AIVery good question.
>>744552754Some 'music teachers' and trained classical guys and girls are incredibly pretentious and up their own arses thinking that vidya is beneath them. Yet it's what's keeping them in work the ungrateful fucks, by allowing them to play the instrument they trained on, in an orchestra for people to enjoy music which has still been composed.Like I said they're ungrateful fucks. Should be thanking their lucky stars that there is an industry of music people are willing to pay money for to go and listen.
>>744549545>"i read somewhere">"'all these people' but i cant specify who because i just read it somewhere teehee"this faggot probably never "read it somewhere" and only listens to vidya orchestral performances and thinks that's all everyone else does these days as well. and then starts imagining that someone out there is trying to oppress his gamer inclinations
>>744552773>You've already heard every piece of genuinely classic music produced simply through raw cultural osmosisNo. You haven't even scratched the surface of the corpus of good orchestral music. Snippets of Vivaldi's Four Seasons and the opening of Toccata and Fugue does not count.
>>744549545If you're in the arts for money, you never deserved to be in the arts in the first place.
>>744552868This is such a stupid thing to say. Most modern music (ALL THE 1900s) has aped, remixed and reimagined as many classical numbers as you can imaging, and don't forget about film scores.
>>744550805Being able to record and playback a song on demand is a relatively recent phenomenon. Throughout most of human history, if you wanted to listen to music, you would need to physically locate someone who could sing or play an instrument. That created a large demand (and supply) of musicians. Then we started getting inventions like the player piano, gramophone players and radio broadcasting, which made listening to music far more accessible. This lead to professional musicians recording music rather than performing it to earn a living, and learning and studying music became much less important for the average person.
>>744549545Because society or even humanity is dying yet you can't officially state why while only fiction has anything worth paying attention to anymore.I don't want your shitty generic obligatory orchestra anyways. They actually hate writing it. Shit was once special in games until halfway through 2000s. Just look at Sonic ditching Crush 40 completely.
>>744551224The lack of patronage in the arts from today's cohort of elites is not going to inspire any sympathy from future generations when they talk about our downfall. The richest person in the world thinks big bang theory and rick and morty are the apex of entertainment and wants to make AI movies for fuck sake
I played music all through middle and high school in both a large wind group and a smaller jazz group on two instruments I gave it up to play video games instead and get really good execution in fighting games because I found it more fun, and because I could practice in my tiny home with my shitty family in my own room in private without anyone hearing meI never learned how to play by ear and even though I can read sheets I'm terrible and inefficient at it even though I'm pretty good on the instrument itself so I could never play what I wantednot being able to play what I wanted and not being able to practice without being heard killed music for menow I'm just a neet with a saxophone sitting in my room doing nothingthere was a tournament for the video game i dedicated 10 years of my life to just this weekend and I didn't go because I don't have a driver's license
>>744549545>Man who has only watched Boss Baby movies has allegedly read somewhere that, increasingly, the only profitable movie Hollywood can do is make Boss Baby-like movies>And apparently, all these traditional filmmakers are *really* annoyed by that
>b-but I became a musician to play Tchaikovsky>GET INTO THE TRENCH AND PLAY THE BING BING WAHOO THEME SONG
>>744553217>WAAAAHH ELON DOESNT LIKE WHAT I LIKEHow does this affect you personally? He is getting us to mars, got us great cars, amazing internet for anyone including third worlders. Why do you hate a man who is moving mankind forward?
>>744550783Nah I don't think you're dumb or anything, it's just that a lot of elements from classical are present in contemporary music, so when you listen to it, it sounds very "basic", idk if it makes sense. Like when you can't get into really old games for example.
>>744552773terrible bait from a third world poster
>>744553217>The richest person in the world (...)He also patrons Test Shot Starfish for every single SpaceX launch. The only reason patrons of the past are seen as noble or generous or beneficial to Art is only because the horrible shit they did never reached the public.
why do gamers have so much disposable income?
>>744551804Eh, I think I like >>744551196 ‘s answer better
>>744549545Its probably the only new "classical" style music anyone is actively listening to. Also can someone explain how classical music was supposed to be listened to. Like did Bethoven have albums? Is there the equivalent of a song or where you supposed to sit there and listen to him for like 4 hours playing.
>>744550006Theres a whole movie about a lesbo composer's downfall and the end of her downfall, like very bottom is when she has to play videogame music.
>>744553608>vidya: record once, sell a million copies>theater performance: play once, sell 500 ticketsVidya music isn't that expensive.
>>744551713>Play the vidya music and be happy that there is classical influence on a lot of it.Yeah. The only sin these musics have is that they're attached to the video game medium. When it comes down to it, I can't take the annoyance seriously.
>>744551932Do you ever write your own pieces?
>>744553693probably when they'd get associated with a theatrical play
>>744550906Kate Blanchett is an actress, she gets paid to pretend to play this characters. She is not actually a disgraced composer, she is actually not a composer at all and probably can't play any instruments, that is because movies are pretend and the people in them aren't actually soldiers or singers or superheroes or whatever. Thank you for your attention.
>>744549545>source: I read it somewhere
As a musician I don't see who would actually enjoy playing classical pieces. I've played lots through the years and I always am bored as fuck when a director picks them out rather than a contemporary set. Even the uptempo ones aren't nearly as engaging as anything made in the last 100 years.
>>744552572Video Game music is better than the utter tripe that is Film music that these niggers never seem to complain about playingIf you complain about generic shit like Soulshit and gutter reddit trash like Megalovania fine, but if I hear these niggers complaining about performing The Beginning and The End from Xenogears they can just blow me because that track alone destroys all of Film music ever made
>>744552773I was gonna pile on with the others but that song kinda slaps.
>>744553950My point was that she became her character.
>>744554000https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN7_JsZmSTc&list=RDLN7_JsZmSTc&start_radio=1
>>744553770Title?
>>744549545it's the only thing where the big popular stuff is still largely melodic. Orchestral music used to be melodic and enjoyable before 12 tone modernist nonsense or soundtrack BWAAAAAAAAAAH. Jazz used to be melodic and enjoyable before freeforms wanking bullshit. EDM has relatively more new stuff that's good but still most is trash.
>>744550407it's so funny that capcom gave them the rights to use MH in this movie>yeah basically we wanna have something for fucking DORKS to basically humiliate our main character and strip away any shred of pride she had, and your franchise seems like the perfect fit
>>744550006They trained their whole lives to perform Mozart and Vivaldi but ended up doing Bing Wahoo Sewer Theme #2 on repeat
>>744554165See >>744551715 and contextI think >>744551874 was a pretty good answer, do you have any other interpretation?never saw the film
Just check what the video game concerts play. Most of them have awful dogshit like the current battlefield theme and Skyrim main theme. Obit modetn slop instead of anything classic.
>>744554335what does it mean to be "melodic"
>>744554381you simply know it when you hear it
>>744554256Tarhttps://youtu.be/3AL2Pz47JHY
>>744553217The downfall of society is not unrelated to the fact that our rulers don't fear God anymore.
>>744550006They are faggots who became musicians for renown rather than for the art itself.
>>744554381>>744554428Melodic music is based on major scales, sounds audibly pleasing to the ears. Described as "beautiful". Aversion to minor scales is incredibly common with normies.
oh noooo not uematsu compositions instead of some garbage music about whales
>>744554557Whales are incredible creatures.
>>744554378I think you're right that some overhyped vidya music is what you say, but then there's this which unless you're completely heartless is a very touching piece of vidya music. https://youtu.be/AvsZUNwcwYU?si=9QXIiFG301BsEad4&t=68
>>744550805No, regular dudes didn't care. I dont know where you got that. 100 years ago was 1916, regular people would be listening to early jazz or ragtime.
>>744554375Well she's wearing headphones and is directed by someone else and is leading a youth orchestra in front of a bunch of cosplayers. She's given up, she is just a human metronome.
>>744554556nonsense. Lots of melodies use minor or non-major scales/chords/progressions. Sounds like you're talking out of your ass
>>744554000>play DMX
>>744553770>>744554492>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%A1rThis is fucking hilarious. Just reading the synopsis makes me giggle. A deranged dyke bitch does the dumbest shit possible at every opportunity and loses her mind as her life falls apart. What is the point of this movie? Is the tone sympathetic to her, like is it trying to portray the hardships of lesbian career women? It just looks like its shitting on her, but that can't be allowed.
>>744554698I didn't say minor chords couldn't be melodic, there's a whole minor scale called "melodic minor".
>>744554381catchy classics like Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and Mary Had A Little Lamb
>>744553217Gladiators did advertisements and had sponsorship anon.
>more evolved, more advanced, more appealing form of music is more profitable>music luddites seethe about it because no one wants to listen to their obselete crapThe sky remains blue.
I don't like orchestral "music". It's repetitive and nauseating unless you combine it with other instrumentation like woodwinds, violins and drums – which precludes it from actually qualifying as orchestra.
>>744554740It's shitting on her and her arrogance. Sometimes you can do that.
>>744554003>from XenogearsNobody is performing that shit, 80% of the time they're performing a compilation of loud bombastic main themes and boss fight themes with pseudo latin vocals from some fotm medieval fantasy game, the other 20% is megalovania
>>744550783>Everyone's like, "well listen to the way he did the scale inverted in the tuning fork in flapjaw space" and I'm just like "yeah cool" but deep down I may think that it's probably technically impressive, but it didn't do anything for me because it wasn't a simple melody that I could easily hum, or that kind of thing.This is actually a problem with obnoxious modern enthusiast nerds.The old hag music teacher I had in 5th to 8th grade would play us Mozart, Beethoven, Bach etc. and she would never nerd out like that, she just let us listenAnd trust me, she would glaze the shit out of Mozart and how he was a masterful pianist at age 9 and preach to us like that to the point where she would bore the shit out of us but she never pointed anything specific and nerdy
>>744554697Was this your first non-capeshit movie? Please be honest.
>>744554740Its a character study of her downfall due to her pompousness and ego. Unironically sounds too smart for you
So come up with some catchier music. No one actually wants to listen to Bach for hours on end.
>>744554637Distant Worlds doesn't count because you know that you will only hear Final Fantasy music in them. I'm talking more about the concerts where they play music from many different games. That somehow happen to be mostly EA, Ubisoft or Sont.
Modern pianists can't even properly play songs composed in the 1900s anymore. they go all out on interpretations and they sound fucking horrible. they completely butcher anything from sergi rachmaninoff so they deserve the braindead bleepblorp adaptation.
>>744554492>oh no I have a stable job and millions of people enjoy my art, but it's the wrong audience, I deserve being in high society
>>744550957>There are 1000x as many people as good as mozart now making music you can listen to right nowlmao
>>744550836How many classical orchestras have you been to see this year?>oh, I don't go outsideYeah, I know.
>>744549545That's just not true. I'd love to watch a porn with that 70s boing-chika-chika-chika-bong-bong music from on orchestra.
>>744554882I mean yeah, shes a stuck up bitch. Is like the point of the film.
>>744550106>original creationsWhat, like, their own compositions? Any other work will have been written by someone else. >game soundtracks>movie soundtracks>pop music meant to be played by the band that created it and not some orchestraNot that many composers are specifically making music for an orchestra, at least not in modern times. At least soundtracks often have interesting melody and are trying to evoke a particular mood, rather than being background for some retard to croon about how his girlfriend left him or whatever
>>744551804>50,000+ years of live musicOh no it's retarded
>>744554869What do you mean it doesn't count? Of course it counts because you hold FF to a certain standard doesn't mean it shouldn't be included. I get what you're trying to say, but I think a lot of people still haven't experienced how good FF music is from not just the single player games but FF14 the MMO, which this piece is from. Yes, I don't expect people to play through how long that game is but the music is still worth giving a listen to as there's hundreds of hours of music on there, different genres not just orchestra. https://youtu.be/kDd9G23En0o?si=g-3RcM357VD1X2id&t=60
>>744554810This. Just look at the mish-mash London Philharmonic Orchestra performed.
>>744555025So are you hyperfocusing on the intentionally hyperbolic number of years as if you aren't intelligent enough to catch the hyperbole, because thats what it looks like
>>744555025Music is as old as humanity. It's older than writing, older than language and grammar. Even apes bang rocks and sticks together and understand rhythm. I can guarantee you the earliest hominids felt something profound when listening to birds singing.
>>744552231>jews couldn't monetize itAre you retarded?Did you somehow miss the thousands upon thousands of classical records over the last 100 years?
>>744549545where are ya'll finding orchestras that let you play game music? I've always wanted to do this.
>>744555103Fuck off misinterpreting Indian faggot.
>>744550006Because westerners are still faggots who thing video games are for kids and losers. In Asia people enjoy vidya music for the love of it and even played vidya music at the japan olympics
>>744555254Was that really necessary?
>NOOOOOOOO I DIDN'T SPENDING YEARS WRITING A 3000 PAGE DISSERTATION ON THE HISTORY OF THE VIOLA TO BE REDUCED TO PLAYING JAZZ COVERS FROM MARIO KART 8 DELUXE FOR THE NINTENDO SWITCH AT THE LOCAL BARCADE/MICROBREWRY FOR 50 DOLLARS A NIGHT!!!!
>>744554694>100 years ago was 1916It was 1926Your mind is stuck in 2016 huh?
the only orchestra I care abouthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKh6R5qsZpk
>>744555137All classical composers had to do to avoid this is compose something that isnt dogshit
>>744555282Classical music is European that's why it has a different history and cultural context here than it does in Asia. You don't value Mozard, Vivalidi, Beethoven, Schubert, Rachmaninov, Bach, Handel, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Brahms and many, many, many more. Because they are European, they are us.They are not you.This isn't to shit on you, but it's to show that there is a reality here that to a lot of Western and Europeans there is still a certain air of prestige with their music. I could go on and on about this but I think you get the point.
>>744551040>Zoomers are pretty based, they value aesthetics way more than fatlennials ever did.Now this has to be the biggest pilpul I've ever seen on 4chan.Go look at women in the 2000s, they were stick thin.Women who lived on those periods still have PTSD about it lmao.Fat acceptance started with zoomers coming of age around 2013 when all the SJW shit started happening
>>744549545>only profitable orchestra is vidya muzak>however bideo games aren't artart troons, our cope?
>>744555103Because concerts don't play them. Every setlist I've checked was pretty much Hans Zimmer feat Super Mario Galaxy main theme and maybe couple arrangements from Undertale.
>>744549996That's really tough. I want to say the Star Wars theme but I'd imagine it would be really close. Part of me wants to say more people could be exposed to star wars, but even kids could get like, grandparents to hear it, but the grandparents have probably also watched Star Wars, but Mario is also just as old and culturally relevant. I think more people would recognize Mario over the Tetris theme but I definitely think more people would recognize Star Wars over Tetris.
>>744555472>You don't value Mozard, Vivalidi, Beethoven, Schubert, Rachmaninov, Bach, Handel, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Brahms and many, many, many more. Because they are European, they are us.Western classical music is huge in China.
woe to the conquered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKeWhJOlBE
>>744555631My local, middle of nowhere, nerd orchestra played some Nier stuff recently, shit was so cash
>>744555137Greatest music. More like music from games that sold well in the west.I'd rather have s show focused on level background music. It takes real skill to make tracks that run for a long time and don't get annoying to hear. Especially if they have vocals.
>>744555560what's going of with zoomers are the men are becoming effeminate and obsessed with endlessly preening their bodies, and the women are turning into men, and wearing rags for clothing.
rich people don't do mécénat anymore
>>744549545I wonder what they thought they would be doing otherwise? I feel like you'd know what you'd wind up doing if you were actually looking into doing it professionally and unfortunately if that's what you get paid to do. I'm sure the devs making the next call of duty don't complain that they're making shit so mediocre but that's what they went to college for.
Classical musicians should be happy they still have a customer base. Modern musicians who haven't already made it big and aren't industry plants are getting replaced by ai music in spotify playlists.
>>744555560It's called Being Healthy
>>744555472I'm whiter than you, so I don't know why you're saying "us" and "you." Going to the orchestra in person was the only way to hear that in Vivaldi's time and a peasant may never even hear it in their whole lives. Orchestral music is everywhere now because it doesn't have vocals and has many more options for instruments and sound, that's it. I highly doubt you'd (yes, YOU) would be able to pick out a sample from ludovico einaudi and a good vidya track. It's actually so easy to figure out I can't tell if you're peak midwit who thinks a violin is magic or if I'm being trolled
>>744550417It's fucking embarrassing, to be sure, but if attending an orchestra wasn't such a stuffy, snobby affair that's tailored to small and increasingly shrinking audience this wouldn't happenApart from film score stuff, what's the last classical piece that's actually made a lasting impact culturally? Rhapsody in Blue?
>>744555829They're lucky most people take the orchestra as a sign of quality as well. I miss midi orchestral pieces. The FFX battle theme sounds so much worse on real instruments. I feel it has more of a punch to it that real brass instruments can't replicate
>>744555216>Music is as old as humanity.It fucking isn't >Even apes bang rocks and sticks together and understand rhythm.That's not music
The truth of the matter is that video games is basically the last place on Earth that demands neo-classical musicMovies are filled with mumble rap and the latest pop trashNo one can afford actual live shows because 30m of gas and $150 tickets are not worth itThe record industry is basically dead so no big name bands/artists are hiring them to so special albums/live showsNo one gives a shit about orchestral music besides vidya
>>744550006>all those repliesThat just makes them seem pathetic. Did they all think they'd learn to play the triangle and spend the rest of their lives making bank by doing exactly what they want? Oh no, the world isn't paying me to live my dream life whilst gaining nothing in return. I actually have to work, and I'm not as privileged as I want to be. Oh the humanityIsn't the answer just to grow the fuck up? The only reason I have to support AI is that it'll fuck over artists. The cyclists of creativity
>>744555137Imagine wanting to perform the all-time classical greats and then being forced to do that fuckass meme angry birds theme
>>744555982https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divje_Babe_flute
>>744555859I think another reason is that orchestral music can be sold as more mature than "traditional" video game music, even though you're still playing capeshit like God of War. I just feel like it makes the music less whimsical too, Monster Hunter music stuck out more before it was performed by an ensemble.
>>744555829The target audience for muh truk country is 80 IQ, no shit they're slurping up AI
>>744555982>That's not musicIt is. If you can express emotion through sound that isn't language, it's music.
>>744555947I've heard good versions of it. The rearrangements in the remaster are mostly trash.
>>744552039>Rap’s growth was very artificialIt wasn't thoughVanilla Ice dropped Ice Ice Baby and the rest is historyLeftoids will always be butthurt about this fact
>>744550972music on pipe organs though, that's top shit. that and jazz.
>>744555874This song actually charted in multiple countries in 1992. It was originally composed in the 70s but a re-recording of it did well internationally because of the end of the Cold War, since it was a Polish composition.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87DJF1_vwQA
>>744555331>I DIDN'T SPENDING YEARS
>>744555983I love Mili and Knower though, but it is hard to find groups that can actually utilize an orchestra and even then I'm pretty sure they don't use them for their live shows so their service is more of a one and done sort of thing. Also entertainment in general has become more shallow so even if you get to do something for a movie or even an anime it's probably not the most quality production despite presenting themselves as one. Which would be weird if they liked doing that shit over vidya since it's all about the same schlock
>>744549545A musician that is snobbish towards masterpiece soundtracks like>Elder Scrolls>Chrono Trigger>Tactics Ogre>Final Fantasy Tactics>Castlevania>Dawn of WarIs a subhuman pseud who is more into status and social bullshit than the art itself
>>744556271sorry just retarded, not a jeet. thank god
>>744555103XIV music is not good, I don't care how many hours you've put into the game, the music is not good
>>744553693>Like did Bethoven have albums?Holy fuck kill all zoomers
>>744556103Orchestral music can be full of whimsy, they just choose not to do it. Having 60 people in a pit just creates unlimited options, they even have electric guitars in some orchestras now. Or put another way, the drum set was literally just made to simulate an orchestra's percussion section, but is obviously limited by us having 2 arms and 2 legs no matter how good the drummer is. Large ensembles are peak and it doesn't matter if it's old or new, they're both good and both soul.
>>744554729https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IWNQ88UoLY
>>744550006Classical musicians think videogame music is beneath them, no seriously
>>744549545I heard the opposite of this where classical musicians are happy to finally be playing something new.
>>744555472They teach western classical music in Japanese schools, retard
>>744554740Autism
>>744556181language is also music
>>744550221>those jewtube comments slobbering all over his dickPlebbitors are extremely cringe.
What a retarded thing to say.Artists have only ever made money from being commissioned.Did they think that musicians in the old days just played for themselves and money appeared from nowhere? Or are they just mad that the only ones who appreciate their work are nerds?
>>744550006These people spent their whole lives crying about how vidya is the inferior artform and now they have to literally beg the vidya industry for a job these days
>>744556682This logic is so fucking retarded.>They teach classical music in Japan so it's historically now Japanese>They teach English in Japan so the Japanese are now English.Christ you're stupid.
>>744551831Listen to highly recommended Symphonies (i.e. all-rounders) and Concertos (soloist showcases).The biggest misconception is that you need to have specialized knowledge to enjoy classical music. You don't. 99% all of classical music was made with a lay audience in mind. Beethoven composed for normies the same way The Beatles composed for normies.The ONLY thing: the length is different compared to the format of modern music. Symphonies are 20-40~ minutes. They're one long piece of music, meant to be performed continuously. Treat it like you're going to the theater to sit down, quiet environment, and focus on the movie. The meme classical music as background noise for studying is a pretty shit way to engage with it. Just pay attention, like watching a movie or playing a singleplayer game.Ideally listen with headphones or even an OK sound system, since the acoustic range is part of an orchestra. Many classical recordings are mixed in a way that assumes you aren't just listening on a shitty phone speaker. You need to be able to hear the quiet and the loud.
>>744556860Yeah dude, Americans learn about Italian composers, guess they're all italian now
I'm a ringer for a choir that sings with our symphonies. I've done most of the major works that feature choirs, the Messiah, Beethoven's 9th, various requiems, and others. FF Distant Worlds got the most applause out of anything and it's not close. Nerds show up to that shit way more frequently than the literally dying of old age demographic of Classical shows up to theirs. I get it, singing One Winged Angel was very fun, but it just doesn't compare at all to me. Do you know how goddamn cool it is to sing in Mahler's 2nd? https://youtu.be/cIkCcJIqUeI?si=zqea5ZS1vAtsy0Ms&t=601 This finale is unmatched, singing with everything you have so triumphantly is not something that anything can ever hope to reach. It is way more meaningful than any amount of pops concerts I've done or will do.
>>744556905Er... yeah some Americans are Italian descendant how do you not know that? You never heard of the Mafia, New York, the Sopranos?
>>744552506You can not have sex with fictional digital representations of people. Escape your weeb fantasies and come back to the real world... Unless of course you're too much of a coward.
People play video games and like the music from it. They're a lot more likely to want a concert with that music. It's like asking why pop concerts always have more buyers than classical orchestra.
>>744556872>99% all of classical music was made with a lay audience in mind.So was jazz but both genres are full of pretentious cunts. Classical music's problem is as much image as anything
>>744557067It's the consumers who are wrong
Sounds about right. This 9/10 orchestral gem proves it.
>>744557104Okay. Sucks to suck I suppose.
>>744549545Nobody's making music anymore, there's some zoomoids making "trap" and it's just a shittier take on hip hop.
>>744557143
why is /v/'s taste in music so dogshit?
I'm only in it for the money!
>>744557210Consume whatever you personally like. Trends come and go. I used to be disappointed that pistachio and matcha stuff weren't popular in the west. Anime and the Dubai chocolate thing changed that. Who knows, maybe you'll get more stuff you like by luck.
>>744551457how much does he make?
>>744556591>>744549545This seems more likely to me. The classics are classics. Everyone who wants to hear them, has heard them a thousand times from a hundred different players.Vidya music is less than 50 years old. The majority of human beings have never heard them before, because they don't play the games they come from. And a lot of the orchestrical stuff is pretty good. The more it gets noticed, the more people get interested in hearing it played, and the more people get interested in playing it.Functionally no different from the guy who hears something like Unbreakable Determination from Ninja Gaiden for the first time, and goes "God fucking DAMN it I want to hear this shit as metal. Let's work this out-"
>>744549545lack of competition
>>744549545https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxn0jiosXjY
>>744557104Its why voting with your wallet is bullshit. It doesn't matter if I don't buy Assassin's Creed based on principle if it's still going to be Ubisoft's best selling game. GaaS won't go away and if these games are expected to last 10 years then I guess I just have no games until someone tries to do something new once a year?
Friendly reminder that past taste in arts was gatekept and preserved by the elite that, thanks to their status, could cultivate and make said preferences flourish.The problem now is that modern media is purely money-centric so it's all about appealing to the biggest group of customers, which are the modern peons.
>>744557193T. Guy who's algos are trained to show him shit he hates
>>744553226Why didn't you take the bus?
>>744556380Im 34 years old
>>744554165That's method acting for you.
>>744557356Well, it's not that voting with your wallet is bullshit. It's simply that you lost the vote to others who vote with their wallet.
>>744556929I love vidya music. I think many of the best JRPGs themes and vidya songs are artistically excellent.Classical music is just underappreciated, man. It's on another level. Dudes like Shastokovich and Beethoven are just fucking brilliant expressions of the pure art form of music. I wish normies appreciated it.I get why people dislike the modern academic bullshit, it fucking sucks. But there's 350+ years of the greatest music humanity has ever composed. The best sound just as catchy as any Queen or ABBA song, but with more depth.>>744557091Unfortunately. The Schoenberg school of atonality, and then later postmodern advent-garde/minimalist bullshit, poisoned the artistic tradition so much. Something was seriously wrong with the mid-20th century academics who pushed this shit.
>>744557413Sort of. Arts did rely on wealthy patrons but their preferences have changed too. It's why these days CEOs give their speeches in those cringe vests or a leather jacket or some shit. No one wears a suit or fedora or whatever. Even billionaires preferences are way more casual.
>>744550805>? there's reasonable evidence to suggest that middle aged dudes ~100 years ago were familiar enough with artistic music to e.g. tell the difference between a soprano and a mezzo-soprano or name their favorite bach cantata or discuss wagner's theories of GesamtkunstwerkMay I see this evidence?
>>744550110>>744550006>>744549545Maybe don't try being a sellout then?
>>744554697>doing something for its own sake and the intrinsic joy it brings is giving upGoycattle drones like you should just lock yourselves in an Amazon wage cage. All you care about is money and clout. You are pathetic.
>>744557556>I love vidya music. I think many of the best JRPGs themes and vidya songs are artistically excellent.>Classical music is just underappreciated, man. It's on another level. Dudes like Shastokovich and Beethoven are just fucking brilliant expressions of the pure art form of music. I wish normies appreciated it.>I get why people dislike the modern academic bullshit, it fucking sucks. But there's 350+ years of the greatest music humanity has ever composed. The best sound just as catchy as any Queen or ABBA song, but with more depth.>Unfortunately. The Schoenberg school of atonality, and then later postmodern advent-garde/minimalist bullshit, poisoned the artistic tradition so much. Something was seriously wrong with the mid-20th century academics who pushed this shit.Is this bait?
>>744550783That's also what put me off from the genre for the longest time. But the truth is you don't need to understand any of that academic music theory bullshit to enjoy classical. There are plenty of catchy melodies to be found, just listen to more pieces from different composers until you find something that keeps you coming back. Same with every other genre. Don't listen to a handful of Taylor Swift songs and decide all pop isn't for you.
>>744549545most gamers are swes and make 250k+ so they can afford to hire these musicians to dance for them
>cut funding for arts and music education>le surprised pikachu face when the youths only listen to top 40, or things they're exposed to in other media
>>744551196>Posts the reddit frog.Reminder the real answer is baby boomers, who still control and are ruining everything.
>>744557413>suspiciously wealthy furries are now hold the reins of culture
>>744557556Part of the problem with a good bit of classical music though, is that it doesn't stay in the same tempo and energy. Compositions are deep, but because of that, they wander around. Take Moonlight Sonata. First movement is brooding and moody. You think you're into that for the haul, then you hit the second movement and it's like, what the fuck. Did Beethoven's uppers kick in when he wrote this? Then you finall hit the third, and it's all "OK... he's just venting now. Somebody burst in him while he was jacking off, and he can't foget about it."Vidya pieces though, they're designed for specific sets, and they almost stay consistent. Same energy, same mood. NGL, I listen to a LOT of different genres for different moods and tastes, but I don't like it when my songs go off on walkabout.
>>744549545No demonic lyrics
>>744549545i think you've come to a flawed conclusion from that statement, that vidya music is taking over the world. going to see an orchestra is simply a "dated" activity or form of entertainment that most people are simply not interested in - on a large commercially viable scale. people at home have infinite music online, netflix, huge TVs, social media etc. the audience of nerds who will be excited to go see a vidya performance, or like Disney songs etc, stuff they know, just vastly outnumber those left who want to go see Brahms or Holst or whatever performed. so it's just propping up an otherwise pretty dead commercial avenue. it's a bit like marvel movies taking over cinema, most people are just not that fussed or enthralled by cinema as an art, not enough to leave their homes and big screen TVs, and already have infinite disposable entertainment. the capeshit has a hype of nerd-chic behind it and people are already invested into that ongoing cinematic universe. very few other things currently will pull a crowd (can think of Nolen, Tarintino, A24 and Jordan Peele, not much else) and so cinemas are struggling, probably dead already without that.
>>744554740Oh its fiction. For some reason, the other anon gave me the impression that it was a documentary.
>>744556087Even the article you posted says it's debatable>>744556181It's a sound, not musicMe knocking on a door is not musicSound can be components of music but sound itself isn't musicMusic wasn't a thing until the SumeriansEven then if you listen to some reconstructed music from Ancient Greece or Rome you can hardly call that musicMusic started around 13th century Italy and France desu
>>744557612They are not aristocrats though.The elite had classic studies and were surrounded by same or similar thinking individuals that shared their common interests.As said, the modern "elite" now is worth only their money despite being culturally ignorant and being part in that regard of the supermasses.
>>744549545The only orchestras I've been to were vidya music. Highly recommend.
>>744549545next month ai can do it for peanuts and in 15 min, then they will miss that annoyance.
>>744557691See? These kinds of pretentious fags don't even remember how to be human.
>>744557865>Compositions are deep, but because of that, they wander around.This is the most famous piece of the 21 st century https://youtu.be/1oOmUi4HGt0
>Not going into it with the mindset of bringing a setting to life
>>744549545gamers tend to have passion and are willing to support tangentially related stuff like orchestral performances of game music. it's not our fault other communities don't have the level of passion we do.also I hope to see some of you music lovers at /v/ the musical when we start back up Sept 15th this year as always.
Was baroque and by extension classical music not made almost exclusively as a setpiece to accompany an event / performance? If you think about it, composing for films / video games isn't all that different from its roots.
>>744558113>Was baroque and by extension classical music not made almost exclusively as a setpiece to accompany an event / performance?No you retard
>>744557989>56 minutes of "music to take a tinkle to"I believe it.
>>744550805I was at a pub quiz recently and classical music was one of the categories. Pretty much every team scored 7/10 or higher. Its not as uncommon as you may think. Hell, everywhere I lived in the US east coast, there's always one radio station that plays classical music. Its 90.1 FM in Philadelphia.
>>744555947I hear youChrono Trigger main theme being done by an orchestra always blows compared to the in game versionThe drums are just pathetic in an orchestra Don't get me started on that Sonic symphony shitArranging stuff that was never meant to be orchestralIt's just a slap in the face to people who love the music for what it is
Maybe those classical musicians should write something anyone cares about that isn't videogame music then.
>>744557413Capitalism and the shareholder class sucked the soul of it like they do with everything.Also, if OP isn't click bait lies, this is the most logical solution >>744558112 since until we reach a post scarcity utopia, if you're doing orchestra music for the money, you need to preform for people who pay for it.
>>744557926Sure, but I think this has as much value as pointing out that doctors didn't believe in washing their hands. Sure, but it changed. They're not a different species or anything. It's just that wealth has a lot more mobility now and if anything, it's more tied to actual utility than inheritance or connections used to be. Elites are still the same, their preferences just changed. And fwiw, many of them are very well culturally educated, they just don't enjoy a lot of it personally even if they understand it's significance. It's kinda like how even if you're really into food, it's preparation and presentation, you're still probably not consuming truffles and caviar plated immaculately everyday.
>>744550938>millennials were born in a shitty time1990-2008 was literally the greatest time in American history.
>>744553693>Like did Bethoven have albums? No. He composed music for works for live performances. Usually Symphonies and Concertos, which are 30 minute pieces made up of movements. Movements are the closest equilivsnt to individual songs on an album, but movements are meant to be played continuously as part of a larger work, rarely on their own. Any work they considered significant enough composers usually assigned an "Opus" number for cataloging purposes. Popular works would be released as sheet music for people to play at home.The "album" format is a recent invention after the advent of recording devices. >Is there the equivalent of a song or where you supposed to sit there and listen to him for like 4 hours playing.Pretty much. Mostly live performances, but depends on the era. By the time of Beethoven, the concert format wasn't that much different than how you would see a classical show now: A 2-4 hour show where the orchestra plays a handful of distinct works, sometimes by varying composers. For example. Beethoven premiered his 5th and 6th Symphony at the same concert, alongside a Piano Concerto, an Aria, and other works. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beethoven_concert_of_22_December_1808This really depends on the time period. Many 18th century guys like Haydn often composed for private performances for nobles and aristocratic patrons. Same with a lot of Mozart, literally commissioned new works by the king of Austria-Hungary for the court. Bach in the 17th century was a lot of church music, etc.
>>744549545>2008>hang around with friends>one of them plays the keyboard, realize he has some sheet music in his bag>theres also a list of videogame titles un alphabetical order>"whats this, David?">he then explains he likes to hear music no one listens to, to get some ideas for his own music and stuff>check the list again>its just well known stuff, like Donkey Kong Country and whatnotlol what an idiot
>>744557259I don't understand why you posted thisThis has nothing to do with classical
>>744549545>why is vidya music taking over the world?It's just simpler, like pop.
>>744558241Personally, I think that's less a problem with the medium, and more a problem with the composer, because you hear it in remixes a lot. Vidya shit hits with a certain intention. You take a boss theme, different components of the song are going to strike very deliberately to keep you into the fight and in the moment. Keep you hype.When they get remixed though, the composer doesn't appreciate that nuance of it. They're just doing the song their way, and they lose a lot of mood because of it. So when the fan hears it, expecting it to have the same hype, it just isn't there. It fucking disappoints, and you wonder what the fuck these assholes were doing, and if they even know the original.
>>744549545There's no novelty in listening to a live orchestra play music from the 17th century. There is still some novelty in hearing a song from a video game being played by an orchestra, so that is more likely to get paying customers through the door. Most normal people don't have any musical literacy, and their appreciation of a song largely boils down to how much they recognise it from pop culture, or whether they buy into the image/brand that the "artist" has created.
>>744558575Stronger Melodies, easier to remember.
>>744549720>oh my god is that jet plane sim music!?!?
>>744557913Debate thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_flutehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_music
>>744557328>Functionally no different from the guy who hears something like Unbreakable Determination from Ninja Gaiden for the first time, and goes "God fucking DAMN it I want to hear this shit as metal. Let's work this out-"I hate Metal remixers so muchIt's obvious the Ninja Gaiden track(which is officially called The Amazing Ryu btw) is inspired by Eye of the Tiger-like stuff and not Metal
>>744554371Bing Wahoo Sewer Theme #2 mogs that mozart unc shit
>>744550783Nothing retarded about this. Something you have to understand is that a lot of things have value simply for showing off status. Wine is an industry people psyop themselves into thinking is incredibly complex even though blind tests have shown professional wine critics fail to tell the difference between premium and cheap wines. The pretentiousness can be very off putting. Classical music is great, technically impressive and influenced almost everything you listen to. But the fans online are very off putting. Much like many groups where people jerk themselves off about how good their preferences are.
>>744549720>>744558742Has a video game... ever changed your life?https://youtube.com/watch?v=p-iWDAHBH2M
>>744558778This. It's fucking disgusting.
>>744558759Music didn't exist until Louis Armstrong got up on stage
>>744558950Trvthnvke
Classical (read: not orchestral) is dying because you need to be influenced by someone, usually a parent, to get exposed to it. Double whammy with this because if you want to actually play it you need to start building foundational skills when you're like 5. My mom comes from a musical family so that was her influence, but my dad was influenced by Looney Tunes when they would do cartoons like Rabbit of Seville. But nothing pulls directly from classical now. At best you got the first few notes of something like Clair de Lune in tiktok videos. So how is someone getting their butts in symphony hall seats without that influence? Late millennials and early Zoomers are the ones having kids now, so if they weren't band kids, they aren't going to know it either. It's very unlikely that without any external guidance, someone is just gonna go "What was that Mendelssohn fellow about" and start digging.
>>744557913>if you listen to some reconstructed music from Ancient Greece or Rome you can hardly call that musicpre-Pythagorean Greek music was weird as hell
>>744558778Eh. It can be good, but see what >>744558669 was talking about.There's no harm in trying something out, but you need to have an ear for what works and what doesn't, what keeps the original flow and spirit of the song, and what's just soulless derivative noise.Touhoushit's a good example. There are really good metal remixes of touhou songs. There are also incredibly shit ones. Ditto electronic. The problem with both is never the quality of the song though, but whether the person doing it "understands" the original well enough, or whether they're just apeing out.
>>744558950Music has existed ever since Eru Illuvatar started singing
>>744558848God I hate faggots like this.
>>744554003listen to thesehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVnSFj6XQZYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cg19uV8nB0
>>744557865>Vidya pieces though, they're designed for specific sets, and they almost stay consistent. Same energy, same mood. NGL, I listen to a LOT of different genres for different moods and tastes, but I don't like it when my songs go off on walkabout.It really just comes down to a difference in format. Most classical music is longer and meant to be enjoyed as a dedicated performance. They require your attention for 30 minutes+. It's like watching a movie, you sit down to pay attention to it, and it has pacing. It's difficult to sustain super catchy high BPMs song for 39 minutes straight, you need slower portions to accentuate the highs. Even movies like John Wick aren't 100% go go go climatic action scenes all the time.2-4 minute songs are great in our modern lives. 8 minute car ride to the store? Awesome I'll put on the Xenoblade OST or a few Metallica songs. Not a great time to put on Beethoven's 7th Symphony.
It's possible Artfags deserve their rep.
>>744559010>. It's very unlikely that without any external guidance, someone is just gonna go "What was that Mendelssohn fellow about" and start digging.Tiktok and Insta Reels unironically, these are exposing gorillion kids to all kinds of music which is why I believe the next new genre will be a mishmash of everything
>>744549545What happened to Cinema music?You put some kino from the 90s like Shawshank Redemption or Cast Away and you find music with several instrument, Pianos, Trumpets, even armonicas being very prevalent, that delicate sound always present in 90s music, but since the 2000s nothing was the same.I think the last music with real instruments that allowed some real humming was The Lord of the Rings.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arsOwUMw7x4
>>744559159Watch more movieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hThAlY3Q2Kw
>>744557698No. What part do you consider bait?
>>744559159BWOOOAAAAAAM
What's interesting about vidya music is that it has the potential to be reactive and it's a shame that it almost never happens.
Nobody wants Mozart's ultra unc music
>>744559106>tfw you'll happily listen to the super eurobeat, 70-minute, 70-song, non-stop hypermix, the whole way through. 70 songs all strung together and woven into eachother, to keep the same pace and high-energy/BPM of eurobeat>and you read this guy's post about needing slower parts
>>744559085It feels so put on but I hope someone is feeling this genuinely. While it's not an emotional game a friend and I would play Monster Hunter every day after work (we were the only ones we knew that worked overnight) and that sense of climbing up and seeing the other hunters around us progressing at similar rates. It really sucked me in and got me reminiscing on it differently than most games.
>>744559291But the article is saying people want orchestras for video game music
>>744559271Yes, Revengeance has the greatest soundtrack of all time, I'm glad you agree with me on this one
>>744549720qrd on this guy? why does /v/ hate him?
>>744550783Music theory is king of nerd shit and I say that as a band kid. Unironically nobody should start going in depth to someone on anything in that subject until they can actually start to pick up on the differences themselves. Classical music has appreciation simply because it's good. It has bold highs and emotional lows, with phrasing that allows each conductor and musician to add their own highlights on the piece. The same piece can sound completely different in the hands of a different conductor.
>>744559294An individual work needs slower parts. Not that a listening does.Imagine trying to turn Running in the 90s into a 35 minute piece of music. It sure as shit is going to have slower parts. Anything that long needs pacing, even if that range is 170-240BPM for a fast Eurobeat song.
>>744559523I don't know, I've never seen him before. Sounds like some retarded e-celeb or something
>>744549545Normies don't even understand "video game music" is a genre.I have never met a normie that wasn't confused by me saying it when they ask what I listen to.Ironically the "safe" answer of "Oh, I don't really listen to music" can trigger them EVEN MORE.
>>744559523A talentless hack posing as someone important shitting out reactionslop all day.
>>744550407kek, no fucking way
>>744559523He's a guy who makes youtube videos listening to video game music, while touting his past as an opera singer.I don't know why /v/ hates him especially. I don't like him, but there are a lot of reaction content people doing video game music. If I want to watch that, he's just not high up on the list for me, is all there.
>>744559561*Not that a listener does.What I get for being a phoneposting faggot today.
>>744559603>"Oh, I don't really listen to music" can trigger them EVEN MORE.Because that's sociopathic behavior.
>>744558805It's not just pretentiousness, classical music and wine can have some genuine complexity that can only be appreciated if you look below the surface. Sure, some people can be obnoxious about it, but people can also find it genuinely rewarding too. It's like how some gamers genuinely enjoy older RPG mechanics, and get annoyed when newer games are casualised to appeal to a wider audience that simply doesn't want to engage with the game at a deeper level.
>>744559560My first introduction to classical music was someone explaining how technically impressive a piece was and I just kept thinking "does it sound good though"I ended up enjoying it myself once I got a desk job and found music with vocals too distracting during work and specifically sought out more "accessible" classical music.
>Vidya devs are so childish and entitled they don't know how music works>Casey Hudson pressured and Micromanaged Jack Wall so badly that he didn't want to return for Mass Effect 3>Casey Hudson gets so assblasted he doesn't use the majority of Jack Wall's music on ME3, The Suicide Mission Theme is not heard again.Gee i wonder why some musicians don't take vidya seriously.Angry and all, Jack Wall still made the best main theme of the PS360 generation with ME2 btw.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQy8dqzV56A
>>744559705This. You're free to enjoy things on multiple levels, from a technical point of view, thematic overview, or just vibes.
>>744559603That's when you just answer Tom's Diner.Most normies nowadays will not know what you mean, but will be too embarrassed to ask, because the name alone sounds like something you're "supposed" to know on-mention.
>>744559705Funny enough some people are just like that. I met a girl who just doesn't get the same type of dopamine response that other people do from music and so it's not really enjoyable for her. Almost like how a deer or bear doesn't tap their feet to a good beat. This is a rare but actual thing some humans have.
>>744559523Bamco hired him to shill Ace Combat. It's not even subtle. He said so along with Bricky, another e-celeb.
>>744559916>>744559658Meant for this guy.
>>744558669No, even when the composer tries to pull it off with real instruments they just can't do it because getting the timing right live is basically impossibleThe music is made possible by recording manipulationsIn the real world you're constrained physics, in the digital domain you can do whatever you want Other examples I could giveThe KH gamesThe violins in Sinister Sundown in KH2 PS2 have this reverb and delay applied to them which goes well with the story of Roxas being trapped in a simulated Twilight TownIn the HD Remix it's recorded live with an orchestra and the violins have no reverb applied to them which makes them dullAnd they are also very upfront in your face in the mix whereas in the OG they're farther away which gives them an ethereal sort of soundXenoblade's Colony 9 has a similar problem in the arranged version for the DEmasterI despise how the violins sound in the arranged version in particular
>>744559943It really gets weird when you see games you've not seen much of randomly get lots of undeserved representation, at least he came clean.
>>744559750>My first introduction to classical music was someone explaining how technically impressive a piece was and I just kept thinking "does it sound good thoughThese type of autists are a plague. It's like evaluating a game based on a Digital Foundry technical analysis of the graphics and ray tracing.Most classical music does sound intrinsically sound good. It's some of the greatest music ever made by humanity. Literally the only prerequisite to enjoyment is just sitting down and giving it a mild amount of attention. It's unfortunate the reputation has been soiled by academics circlejerking about theory.
>>744560067>just turn your brain off bro
>>744560048True that. /v/'s sudden and relentless shilling of Alien Soldier really rustled me.Just say you read/watched Isekai Uncle, you fucking faggots. None of you mentioned this game before it hit.
>>744549545Movies just suck now, modern music sucks. Vidya beat everything. The only serious art form left is books
>>744559634>the nadir of her career is people who come to the performance purely for the sake of the art instead of for the associated prestige of her and her branding
>>744549545I literally have more video game tracks than I have regular music and the reason for that is these composers care WAY more about creating solid songs driven by unique and catchy composition so I'm not even surprised
>>744549545it's the majority of commercial novel compositions, obviously. Movies are literally just using pop music.
>>744560107You do the opposite with classical, you have to actively listen and give it attention.
>>744560145i really do wonder if there's people who jerk off conductors in 2026
I saw an ad for Undertale coming to a nearby city. The ad only played chiptune shit from the OST, nothing was translated into orchestral music. What's the point? I understand people doing Zelda, FF, E33, etc, but "Anamanaguchi, but orchestral" sounds retarded.
>>744559705I agree on classical music for sure and do understand the complexity behind it. I quite enjoy it myself. I was just pointing out how a lot of it's value (especially online) tends to be from value signaling. You see it on a small scale where a lot of people on here get way to mad about remakes. The wine thing I'm basically completely skeptical on. Multiple studies have failed to demonstrate that even experienced wine tastes can reliably identify the "better" wine. Anecdotally I've done blind tests with friends and cheaper wine would sometimes win, and they'd still identify stiff like tannins, the meniscus texture and color etc or aromas that made them identify it as the better wine.
>>744560180>"Anamanaguchi, but orchestral"Fund it
I'm pretty elitist but I would kill to hear both Dragon's Dogma soundtracks in person.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKr9zwS41Ms&list=RDOKr9zwS41Ms&start_radio=1
>>744549545Ive really enjoyed the Final Fantasy and Zelda concerts Ive been to. Just looked up Hollow Knight and Undertale and got Undertale tickets for September. Scalpers suck my B's.
>>744560107Not "turn off your brain", just treat classical music like you're watching a movie or an episode of a serious TV show. Minimize distractions and give it your undecided attention for a bit.
>>744551269>new JumanjiAgain? Why?!
>>744555947Very agreed, cheesy orchestra synths are way better vidya music than an actual orchestral score, smt Strange Journey and Demon's Souls come to mind
>>744550006Your head's on fire dude
>>744560250Congrats, that's how you can enjoy anything, even garbage.
>>744560048Airplane sim music changed my life...
>>744560107He didn't say that, retard. When your only exposure to classical music is people huffing their own farts over it, prospective listeners are going to be alienated before they even decide to give it a chance.
You will never hear a good live edition of Ludwig the Holy Blade and that's okay
>>744560067Yeah they can be super annoying. For me the best way someone could've sold it to me early is to tell me it's like a good book as opposed to e movie. Just sit down, relax and think about a few of classical pieces and that would've been a way better introduction.
>>744549545https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdroE3tGGOQ
>>744551127I saw a remake but missed Rebirth. Oh well. Hopefully Revelation has good music.
>>744560320Explain how AC music isn't good then.
So I don’t know shit about classical. I went to Barnes and noble hoping to find a classical cd to listen to in my car but I couldn’t recognize or find shit apart from one Yo-yo Ma cd which I bought because that’s the only modern name I recognize. and nothing else looked classical
>>744550805The music industry got rid of music and replaced it with rap and aging pop stars singing about their vaginas. That leaves a big opening for people who don't want to get grossed out.
The most shocking thing about classical is the date range. Some of the masterpieces were written and performed after the US Civil War, it's hard to wrap my head around that.
>>744560250That's how you should listen to every type of music >>744560312Jesus is this the average 4cuck mentality? That immersing youself is le bad?
>>744551221Undertale concert in SLC was sold out. Scalpers were trying to get $200 a pop. Most vidya concerts Ive been to were fairly packed.
>>744560067>Literally the only prerequisite to enjoyment is just sitting down and giving it a mild amount of attention99% of music nowadays is filler for a banal task because everyone has ADHD and can't fucking handle being alone with their thoughts for more than ten seconds, it's really sad. You don't need to be a jazz teacher to enjoy Paul Desmond's 'Easy Living'.
Vivaldi Seasons (Winter), Mozart's Requiem, and Little Fugue are good.>>744550853People will do anything but get a labor job.
>>744559054It's just tiring to hear all these awful remixes with heavily downtuned guitars by fucking neckbeards>Oh Megaman was called Rockman in Japan SO IT WAS ACTUALLY HEAVY METALNo, it wasn't just Metal, it was more Jazz Fusion-inspiredAnd these neckbeards somehow ignore Hair Metal existed and the guitars didn't always sound insanely downtuned like Death Metal
>>744560432https://youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k- Flamenco guitar- Castanets + handclaps- Full orchestra- Choir + female solo vocals- synth/electronic layersIt's a hot mess of tryhard sound vomit. Might as well have a bunch of monkey's banging on pans.
>>744552340Mods, this post is VERY antisemitic.
>>744559159Glassian/Zimmerian minimalism. I'm so fucking sick of Hans Zimmer. The revolt against musical romanticism is so grotesque. Nolan is one of the worst figureheads of this industry shift. He prohibited an orchestra for THE ODYSSEY. How are you going to excise an orchestra from Homer?! That would have been unheard of in the past. The classical epics are supposed to be great & fantastic, with swelling horns & big powerful brass. Listen to this soundtrack from a 1999 Shakespeare adaptation:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPeOZaSBO8&list=RDTaPeOZaSBO8&start_radio=1
>>744549545i have latin choral fatigue
>>744549545but do japanese classical musicians hate it? https://youtu.be/2vHERvHx26A
>>744550783There are more reasons to like classical music other than it being technically impressive or not. Like many things in life, you just have to adapt and acquire the taste (or not, listen to whatever you want).
>>744560626>How are you going to excise an orchestra from Homer?!They had orchestras 3000 years ago?
Post AC music https://files.catbox.moe/7vj061.opus
>>744559098Well the first sounds like a shitty cacophony that is inferior to even standard John Williams-type shitSecond one says Video Unavailable
>>744550805Direct consequence of slashing budgets for the arts. I know /v/ wants to think that all arts is hippy happy go lucky time wasting bullshit but no arts in school is how you end up with modern art of a banana duct taped to a wall, nobody knowing anything outside of pop and maybe what their parents listened to (which is now also pop), amonst other things like architecture. The other part is partly because of the above you have to do a LOT of legwork yourself. Look at this anon >>744560460. There's no easy guide on how to get "into" classical. You are basically firing in the dark on big composer names, if you even know any beyond Beethoven and Mozart, and listening to symphonies that usually take 45 minutes minimum. It's a nontrivial exercise to try and get into something you aren't sure you even like.
>>744560312I completely agree, didn't say otherwise.The problem is normies treat music as background noise for short bursts of enjoyment. They don't even know they should sit down for 30 minutes for a Beethoven Symphony and give it a dedicated listen. They use it as background noise for studying. Or they put it on for 5 minutes in the car, pause, play for more 5 minutes, talk to a friend, don't pay attention, have the sound too low so they can't hear the full range, etc -> "wtf that was boring why does anyone like this shit?!?"
>>744560687you should suck start a shotgun you disingenuous faggot
>>744555331How about a $50 tip?
>>744552340not for long you can't!
>>744559523/v/ just hates being reminded there are people out there actually making money off video games instead of just sitting on their asses playing them. He's basically a former opera singer that pivoted to doing VO work and then started a youtube channel reacting to operatic music in games. Got popular enough to sing duets with vtubers at streamer award shows. If you consider that winning I guess he's doing it, but its enough to trigger faggots here
>>744560747Eh, NTA but thats the point of the first one, its a demonic victory composition.
>>744560828>You see, in order to perform this piece made in Archaic Greece you SHOULD follow early modern Western European traditionsNot that I like Nolan
enough shitposting post god tier vidya OSTs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1-eY31Bw7A
Kinda unrelated but my favorite genre of person is the one who talks about the importance of classical music and culture and it's followed up Andre Rieu slop.
Original Zelda Orchestral dungeon music slapshttps://youtu.be/MMYzO26LQYE
>>744560626>He prohibited an orchestra for THE ODYSSEY. How are you going to excise an orchestra from Homer?!TBF orchestras weren't a thing before the Baroque eraThis is last thing you can criticize the Nogdyssey forNo excuse for him following up Danny Elfman with garbage like Hans Zimmer in his garbage Bat trilogy though
>>744561069but a fucking RAP is ok?
>>744560967https://youtu.be/MYiQuNAuvJIClassical coded kino. They got soloists for the violin and accordion.
>>744560948And? It still sounds like shitGive me classical organ shit anydayYou can make something sinister and aesthetically sonically listenable and enjoyable
>>744561014Based
>>744550853As opposed to composing the score to shakesphereslop and some gay love story?
>>744561014lmao
>>744561132Nope, Homer should only be performed by poets with lyres
>>744549545Real music is cringe. How many more love and sex songs can you tolerate? Or how about shitty rap sex or murder song number 10 million instead? Music that normies like is just trash. Even older music like heavy metal I can only stomach it in small doses when in the mood.Video game music is inoffensive and rarely has lyrics. Its perfect for background sound while you browse or do other things. Its a lot more pleasing to the ears than the latest nig nog shit-hop song about some stupid gangbanger talking about how he's fucked hundreds of girls and sells drugs with a criminal record. And then the fact that women love these retards makes it all even worse. I am not surprise gaming music is growing with more and more people being jaded as hell with whatever the hell normalfag life is supposed to be.
>>744559603>Normies don't even understand "video game music" is a genre.It isn't you fucking dumbass
my knowledge of classical music comes solely from Legend of the Galactic Heroeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yr720ftjaA
>>744561256>heavy metal>old music
>>744561256i like video game music but there's plenty of instrumental genres, i don't get it? put on some prog rock or fusion or something
>>744561283Honestly surprises me how long it got for someone to call out his bullshit bait.
>>744561290>MahlerEvery time I hear about LotGE it sounds even more based. I afraid of overhyping it in my head.
>>744560202Cost doesn't always directly correlate to quality or enjoyment. For example, you might find a $20 indie game much more enjoyable than a $70 AAA game. That doesn't mean the AAA game is a scam, it's priced higher because it cost much more money to make.
>the year is 2781>the orchestra is in the pit>the maestro raises his baton>1-1
>>744560495>that many people buying concert tickets for a tranny furry LGBT game for mentally ill childrenThe microplastics and estrogen waters are really working their magic.
>>744560460Either tune into your local radio stations off a radio or stream them online. There is bound to be at least one in most major nearby cities. You don't need to be told who are the best, just listen until you find something you like. Note the composer and look up more on youtube and the like
Sonic ost >>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever modern garbage being pushed as music.Sorry, but truth hurts.
>>744560967https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDgjTP8fuz4
>>744559010My dad was a classically trained pianist who learned from Liberachy. It was fun to listen to him nerd out but sadly he didn't train me. I'm self taught but mediocre at best. I did enjoy giving him my video game sheet music to play.
>>744561495That’s a testament to how bad music’s gotten, not sonic music’s quality
>>744551694Opera is especially funny for this. It's considered sophisticated and pretentious "high art" these days. But most famous Operas were written for mass audiences. The Magic Flute and Puccini's melodramatic Italian opera are not sophisticated pieces of art, they're pretty cheesey.
>>744560967https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08OhjMTBUTMbest soundtrack in the entire series
>>744561581Operas were the telenovellas of the post-renaissance culture
>>744559045Just looked it up.Yikes
>>744561320Never said its the only old music. But to a normalfag some 80's or 90's metal is in fact going to be seen as old. Most of these retards listen to the latest shit rapper and his shit music. Or if a white conservative some country slop.>>744561326And I listen to some of that as well. I like synthwave and vaporwave. But I also like a lot of video game music because its what I spent most of my life doing. Gaming or talking about games. Even listening to game music.The ambience to Dino Crisis is a great example of what I mean. Completely inoffensive to my ears and perfect for background music while I browse /v/. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdm3Mce_xUQ
>>744561563Sure thing, tendie.
>>744559159Silksong songs (especially Shellwood) reminded me of Shawshank.
>>744549545Sawano is proof that there's a lot of money in anime music too
>>744561637>80's and 90's >oldnuke this board
>>744561717time goes on, my little cinnamon roll it comes for us all
>>744561637Yeah absolutely no one thinks 80s and 90s is old.
>>744559635I enjoy watching professional musicians blind reactions to video games music and get all technical. Its a guilty pleasure. Hes not one of the better ones.
>>744561814Modern=Post WWIIObjective trvth
>>744561581Is there any art form this didn't apply to at some point? Even movies that everyone saw in the 1920s are considered hyper sophisticated and have people overanalyzing them. They were meant to be seen by people.
>>744561717To young normies yes they do think the 1980's are old man times ffs. It just is what it is.
>>7445618191980 was literally 46 years ago
>>744561853>Even movies that everyone saw in the 1920s are considered hyper sophisticated and have people overanalyzing themActually only movies which were deemed worth preserving by someone, Look up how many movies are considered lost.
>>744559634Proof of A Hero is up there on the list of greatest modern compositions imo
>>744560107Pretentious farthuffer
>>744561912Certainly isn't considered old when it comes to music. Enjoying 80s and 90s music is very common with zoomers. You'd have to listen to stuff from the 50s or early 60s before it's actually considered old. Even stuff from the 70s isn't considered that retro.
>>744560473Yeah, I keep thinking the Renaissance was like actual Greek Roman age 1000-2000 years ago, but no it's was barely 400 years ago, fucking Shakespeare lived during the Renaissance
>>744560916Hello Marco. You made a video saying airplane game music changed your life.
>>744559523he's a typical validation tuber riding the gacha whale grift. gacha fags spam his patreon with react suggestions and then hes like "wow this chinese tranime gambler phone game has really good music"plus he's bald now
>>744557816Nah, it's the jews.
>>744561853A lot of it is. No one cared about van Gogh, Lovecraft etc. Don Quixote was a mass market novel. No one cared about the Mona Lisa till it got attention from being stolen.
>>744560312Revisionist morionThat's how people always listened to classical music for most of history The whole ''let me break this down for you'' condescending commentary culture never existed
>>744560460Listen to what >>744556872 said.For newfags recommendations, I'm suggesting checking of Beethoven's symphonies. Just listen to 1-9 in order. It's release order and it's enjoyable to hear the evolution of his music. Beethoven is quintessential classical.I really love almost all the romantic and early modern dudes, Tchaikovsky, Mahler, Brahms, Mendelssohn, Shastokovich etc. All fantastic. Sibelius violin concerto is a particular favorite. Same with this https://youtu.be/kvMQxhFsa88Pick any Symphony, Concerto, or anything else that sounds interesting from these lists. Anything in the top 10 is probably a masterpiece and highly enjoyable.https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/
>>744550836>>744550938You stupid faggot zoomers don't know shit, Millennials were born in the peak of society in the '90s.
>>744549545I always well not always, only recently actually, wondered how orchestra feel when they have to play Undertale soundtrack
>>744561210Old English Beowulf performed by an actual bard is fucking radhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WcIK_8f7oQ&t=110s
>>744562107Another example I can think of is how some cinema snobs will shit on horror or genre movies while praising Nosferatu from 1922, which was probably a mass market movie at the time.
>>744560473>The most shocking thing about classical is the date range. Some of the masterpieces were written and performed after the US Civil WarThat's Romantic era dumbass
>>744561581>>744561853Yeah, isn't ALL mass entertainment meant to entertain the masses?
>>744560312Retard. It's not "turn your brain off" it's about sitting down and fucking focusing on something and giving it undivided attention, being mindful in the moment about what you're experiencing.Being obsessed about music theory is like obsessing over how the graphical engine for volumetric fog was programmed while playing a video game. Can you appreciate the technical details? Sure. Are they the most important thing? Fuck no.
>>744562283Dune and LOTR is also a good example. The foundation series for sci-fi. A lot of horror movies and books in general are currently very underrated currently and I think once they're old enough they'll likely be a lot more appreciated.
>>744550006Because they look down on vidya, yeah it's as stupid as that.Actually I'm surprised the Oppenheimer composer hasn't been brought up in the thread yet because his "I'm glad I didn't get a console as a kid" comment springs to mind there.
>>744560581That sounds goodWould be better without the operatic vocalsI hate that shitOperatic vocals are inherently anti-humanBut even then the way they're mixed in here so far as of the 1st 3 minutes isn't too bothersomeIt says remix so I wonder how the original sounded
>>744549545You making logical leap with this tweet as your premise. I don't take it or this thread seriously.
>>744553472he's just stealing the work of others. you know that right? he has abandonned everything he ever started. He's uncultured.
>>744562589i thought about bringing his statement up but he's such a nothing entity that i'd have had no idea how to search for him
I dont know shit but music like this is the coolestest ever.What would it be classified as?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYujVAE7w3M
>>744562778It's true that I had to type "oppenheimer composer" for that image because I had forgotten his actual name.
>>744560473The early modern composers part of the Western canon now (i.e. widely seen programming in orchestras, part of curriculums) are not that old. Shastokovich saw Jesus Christ Superstar in the 1970s before he died. He apparently enjoyed it so much he saw it twice and said he wished he composed it.The tradition isn't that old. Just most modern composers are academic wanks who make minimalist atonal shit that no audience wants to hear besides other academic autists. The good modern composers like Avro Parte will enter the canon though
>>744561132Who said it was you schizo?I didn't watch Nogdyssey because I have respect for myself as a White Man so I didn't even know there was a rap in it I hate (((Nolan))) and much of Kosherwood anyways
>>744550006it's not composed well. instead of composing multiple songs/sections as a single song like classical music, they just do repetitive loops with minor variations
>>744561495>>744561563Sonic's music quality has always been ridiculously high and extremely varied
>>744550006https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqrh_1ZxPQYThis
>>744562796You'd probably like Opera and Choral works. Check out Missa Solemnis, Mass in B minor, Brahms Requiem, Mahler 2, Beethoven 9, etc.Watch performances of some of the recommended operas from talkclassical >>744562174. I'm not an operahead by I like Tosca by Puccini.
>>744550783it seems pretentious and basic until you notice that pop, rock, film and videogame musicians constantly copy them
nighttime /v/ is best /v/
>>744561069I miss Danny ElfmanI mean he's not dead, but I still miss him
>>744560426It better be, otherwise keeping Hamauzu locked in the Squeenix mines for 10 years would have been a waste.
>>744561717Metal goes back to the early 70sI would even go as far as say that Jim Morrison was the proto-Metal vocalist His unhinged vocal style was practically unheard of before The Doors released Break on Through in January 1967
>>744563286Surprisingly good thread. I suppose the trolls went elsewhere.
>>744549720I think I remember seeing a FF14 vid where he had some hag listen to music, it was some fairy boss and the hag kept subtly complaining that the girl sounded too young.
>>744562589>''Muh parents bought me instruments instead of video games''I'd punch this snownigger hack in the face and spit on him.His career consists of producing nigger rap for Childish Gambinegro ffs.Maybe they should have bought him video games and then maybe he would have produced something worth a shit.
https://youtu.be/LAQZfeETFbgENTER
thinking about https://youtube.com/watch?v=JGT0iPpU9is&t=1426s again
>>744563286>>744563379Join us in the classical general on /mu/ :3
>>744563485>thanks dad for buying me $7000 violin instead of $200 nintendo
>>744549545uh they should blame the current music landscape and not videogames, its not our fault that the normies listen to >Hiphop/Rap >EDM>Pop
>>744549545I wonder how they'd feel about playing Sloprano.
>>744563565>>>>>posting in generalsyou guys don't actually do this, right?
>>744563492For me, it's Falling water.It caught me completely off guard.
I just don't really get classical when people talk about it in the context of it being objectively some of the best and most emotional music ever made, like a lot of people in this thread. I've been to the Opera, I've seen live orchestras playing mozart more than once but it just doesn't really stick with me or hit me in the moment and that's not true for most genres.
>>744563565I went there once and it was just fags arguing over which recording of a certain piece is the best one
>>744563572>Toby Fox gets Mario Paint>becomes a worldwide phenomena for over a decadeThat Nintendo's looking pretty good right about now
>>744563646>playing mozart *for example
i'd pay good money to see the cuphead ost performed live so i get it
>>744563679So it's like /v/ then
>>744563679Considering we argue over the best release, re-release, remake or remaster you should understand completely why they do that
>>744563646Emotion is subjective to each person. I just like classical because it has a lot of artistic depth and craftsmanship. It's more objective on that front, in terms of exploring the boundaries of music, developing musical ideas and playing with them in a single work. A lot of the famous romantic pieces are more conventionally ""sweeping" and "emotional". Listen to Sibelius violin concerto for something sweeping and romantic, Brahms German Requiem for somber, and Shastokovich String Quartet 8 for dark vibes.
>>744563821not really because anybody except the few unfortunate can listen to music but not everyone can play videogames, Mechanical skill and reaction is the name of the game here and the metric is fun. Not all media are equal and each has different entrypoints.Iam not gonna pretend I know shit about music but Iam also really open to listening to good things, if it sounds good I'll listen to it simple as.You cant apply the same logic to videogames because the curve is different.
>>744549545I don't even think this is a real problem. At least with vidya music specifically.My local city orchestra does 60% classical performances and 40% pop performances. The pop shows are typically film accompaniments (Harry Potter/LOTR/Star Wars/Godfather/etc), oil music arrangements (Beatles/Elton John, Jazz and Soul stuff), and THEN video game/anime music shows. Vidya is not the majority of the pop stuff, at least with the orchestra programming I've seen. It's like maybe 30% of it at most.
>>744564052The fuck are you talking about? You can apply the same logic to both. A recording of a piece can obviously be superior to another. Just as a certain release of a video game can be superior to another. Nobody cares if money is a barrier to you playing the different versions considering the high seas solve that problem
>>744564052We're not talking about remakes that change gameplay mechanics and difficulty. We're talking about re-releases and ports and autistic differences. That's comparable to /mu/ autists compared different recordings of a Hadyn symphony.
>>744564265*pop music arrangements
>>744563963I do not really care for the idea of objectivity in art and in general I prefer art that is both more contemporary and more "kinetic" so that probably plays a part. I think also I just associate classical instrumentation with bland film scores and the like. I feel like I would probably appreciate a lot of the ideas people profess about classical more with instrumentation that wasn't purely piano and strings, but I don't know. I'm not invested into music theory or whatever I just listen to what I like.
thats their own fault. its a snobby music genre filled with pseudoelites and richfags that treat it as badge of class. vidya music is for everyone. same with high art schools, inhaling their vegan scented farts in unison.
>>744549545Because for the past 20 years it's one of the only genres you can find that has actual musicality instead of niggers babbling about garbage.
>>744564632I understand close to zero theory and still love classical. Explore some more classical works Anon, you'll probably appreciate it more. I like it because I think it sounds good, same reasoning as you.>>744564984Classical is for everyone. All the famous composers made music intended for lay audiences. Ignore the academic and snob retards.
>>744550407Wait, is this vidya orchestra related? I had no idea kek, I downloaded this but haven't watched it yet.
>>744565101Most of the reason I'm thinking about it is because of exposure to people who insist that it's superior to almost everything that came after and I'd like to understand what they see in it but that's probably an unhealthy way to think about music in general tbf
>>744549545Just like those dudes in clickbait>FORMER GUITAR PRO REACTS TO VIDYA MUSICThese niggas learned guitar for pussy and all they get are sweaty nerds
>>744565168I generally agree. It's not superior to what has come after. I do think there is something to be said of the format and tradition of classical music resulting in works that have more artistic depth. The long run times that are focused on developing and playing with themes and musical ideas, a whole stage worth of instruments, rigidity of sheet music, etc. Put another way, there's more going on in a 30 minute Symphony than a 2 minute pop song. The composition of most pop songs that just repeat 4 chords is objectively simpler. It's like comparing the gameplay mechanics of Mario Odyssey to Astro Bot. Both great games, but Astro Bot just has way less going on in terms of the raw movement and platforming mechanics.
Thanks you vee for providing me with a movie to watch tonight. Here's one that I like https://files.catbox.moe/9icwo4.flac
>>744549545This board thinks (((Toby Fox))) makes good music. I wouldn't be listening to anything these retards have to say about songs.
>>744565578Not saying this makes classical music objectively better than modern popular hits. I love rock bands and pop music like ABBA, they're incredibly catchy. I'd put the best ABBA songs up there with the most catchy and memorable symphony recapitulations.Maybe another way to put it is like this: They have similar enjoyment highs. But classical has more complexity in that enjoyment spike, and better lows. The best pop songs are like eating a brownie, pretty simple but still fucking delicious. The best of classical is like eating a fancy chocolate cake with 20 different aroma compounds and flavors going on.
>>744565972Lord forgive me for the food analogy
>>744563572That $200 Nintendo soon becomes another $200 Super NES or N64Not to mention all the money spent on games and rentals over the yearsAlso 7K violin my assCome on dude. my older sister had a fucking Pianino for 400 euro in the early 2000sGranted, it may have been refurbished old unit but still
