>>744558694
brand loyalty

>>744558694
brand cultists are real

>>744558694
It hurt them a lot. 360 was actually beating PS3, which had few exclusives, and most multiplats ran better on 360. It didn't kill them immediately, but they lost a ton of momentum.

>>744558694
xbox had the best exclusives and multiplats at the time. nintendo had nothing but gay waggleshit and ps3 didnt get games worth caring about until 2009 which was 4 years after xbox launched. around 2010 is when it started to become more common for most games to release on PC as well, so consoles basically became irrelevant after that gen

>>744558694
We put up with it to experience Halo

>>744558694

Brand loyalty is a hell of a drug.
The world makes a lot more sense when you realize 99% of human decisions are totally irrational including decisions made by intelligent people.

>>744558694
Gun and ball people saved it.

>>744558823
that trick never fixed it permanently

because whites knew how to send shit in for recalls and warranty issues meanwhile everyone else was playing ps2.

As good as Ridge Racer 7 was (and its incredible) the average gamer didnt care about that. Early Gen 360 was where it was poppin.

>>744558694
Never happened to mine :)

>>744558694
Because the games were actually worth putting up with this shit.

>>744558694
I had a roommate who went through 3 or 4 of them, it just kept happening.

>>744559367
Nigga Halo and Gears of War were not worth the money multiple 360s would cost.

>>744558694
SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS
also Halo was pretty good

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>>744558694
>how didn't this immediately kill the xbox brand?
I have many disagreements with the jewish diaspora, however the one thing we agree on 100% is that goyim are not fucking human.

>>744558694
Because jeets spammed every gaming related forum and news website

>>744558694
it did kill the xbox brand

>>744558694
After it happened to two of my xboxs I just got a ps3.

Because the PS3 was just as dogshit and had an equal if not larger failure rate.
But you wouldnt know that because the Sony Jew controls the media, so no one reported on it. Same reason you don't know the ps5 controller is a huge piece of shit that is so bad they're getting sued over it

No idea. Knew plenty of people that would get red ringed then go out and buy another.

>>744558694
Xbox 360 was mostly popular in America so Microsoft was able to deliver replacement consoles quite easily. Back then we lived in a real country so Microsoft could eat the cost no problem, and the customer service department wasn't entirely run by Indian scammers.

>>744558694
It was the sequel to the ogbox that was well liked and more importantly the PS3 sucked on launch

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Xbox fans come from broken families and have broken minds.

>>744558694
Why will snoyggers go on forever about the red ring of death, then ignore how the ps2 and ps3 had similar technical failings?

>>744559037
>xbox had the best exclusives and multiplats
They had Halo and Gears, not much else.
Being cheaper and having better multiplats was more important.

>>744558694
It did hurt them. See the Xbone. And no, a single press conference did not doom that console. RRoD killed trust in the reliability of Microsoft's hardware.

>>744558694
Because aside from being a huge kick in the nuts, they spend a morbillion dollars fixing it for free and handing out a month of free live gold membership for the inconvenience

if you were an adolescent, it sucked but you could limp by with the towels tricks until they queues died down and you could ship yours in, then that month would be sick as fuck because 4 new multiplayer games dropped and none of them had microtransactions or battle passes yet

>>744558694
because muh gaymes

>>744559668
RROD was a 30% failure rate, that shit ain't normal.

>>744558694
halo/cod saved xbox

rrod converted so many people to ps3 it hit especially hard during mw2.

>>744558694
They got a year head start.
Xbox 360 came out in 2005, the Wii and PS3 didn't follow until fall of 2006. The Red Ring of Death was a disaster but they had a full year of having zero competitors in the Gen 7 field in which they could still push the 360 unopposed as well as having a year to get the replacements mailed out to angry customers and release new 360's that were less bugged, just in time for PS3/Wii to hit shelves.

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>>744559804

>>744559619
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/20040816/indiaenglish16/microsofts-call-center-business-in-india-gets-an-american-accent

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>>744559861
>the ps2 and ps3 had similar technical failings?
Xbox = Jeets engineering

It was cheap and out first, it had a whole ass year ahead of the ps3 and wii, so even with the issues, the 360 was the better choice for anything multigen, in the west. Plus MS hyper-marketed that motherfucker, they spent tens of millions of dollars completely sucking up any dev studio that was working at that time in japan for exclusives. They started the whole paid exclusive trend and especially timed exclusives. It ALL stemmed from them putting out a product too fast they knew was fucked, and trying to sidestep the issue with other novelties.
Really though, it did kill the brand for most people I know that had one, they'd usually return it once, get a new one, then when it RRoD'd they'd usually do the towel trick and sell it to gamestop. I wouldn't be surprised to hear 20% of the sales of the 360 were actually just same stock due to all of the replacements.

>>744558694
Probably because the PS3 was $600 and the X360 $300.

>>744558694
I still regret buying this dudebro garbage

>>744558804
>>744558838
>immediate seething from snoys
Every time.

What exclusives did Xbox 360 have that were so great?

I literally could not name a single one that is not "Halo" or "Gears of War" related

>>744558694
Having the sheer monetary reserves to tank it. They repaired these RROD'd consoles free of charge and lost over a billion dollars on it in the process, but the PR was a strong counterbalance. They accepted some actual responsibility for the blunder and took it on the chin until they could release an updated model that didn't have that problem.

>>744559475
>multiple 360s
Warranties do exist, my friend. Also, multiple Halos and Gears were absolutely worth it.

>>744560914
>immediately think of snoys
like potterywork

>>744560974
Fable 2

>>744560170
And the gaystation 3 's disc drive had a 50% failure rate. But no one ever talks about that.
Curious

>>744561357
That is the original xbox
Stop projecting

>>744558694
Only console worth a damn. Yet nobody every talked about the equally abysmal PS3 failure rate.

>>744561459
Didn't have to at the time, that was the least of the PS3's problems.

>>744558694
1. They fixed it for free no matter what
2. Sony royally fucked up with the PS3's pricing so it wasn't worth switching to them

>>744561357
nah the bluetooth would sooner fail than the bluray.

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Play Xbox, saar. Buy Xbox, saar. We refund you if Xbox no working to tri red light, saar. Xbox good games, saar.

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>>744558694
in europe you just took the broken console to the store with receipt and got a refurbished console from the shelves. I went through 2x threeshitties this way and still got the third one working.

Love or hate it
Microsoft has great consumer support and would replace those even in 3rd world countries, at least the xbox division

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>>744561649
Thak you saar, we offer very good client support. We refund a new xbox 360 for fri

>>744561634
gamestop & best buy would also swap your console out

>>744558694
2005-2008

Halo 3
Gears of War 1/2
Fable 2
Forza 2
PGR 3/4
Mass Effect
Crackdown
Dead Rising
Saints Row
Ninja Gaiden 2
Dead of Alive 4
Hell even a couple of Naruto games were exclusive back when the series was relevant
Achievements were a very nice novelty at the time (idc about them these days)
Better multiplats and online. Games like the Darkness were dogshit on PS3
XBLA, playing TMNT arcade online co-op was sick

PS3 didn't get decent until late 2009 even then i don't think it was ever as good as 360's peak. The RROD risk was worth it and ive been a big PC gamer since 2004 but 360 was a fun console.

>>744559234
Xbox 360 was quite popular for piracy since it was super easy to hack. Saw lots of stores with pirated PS2 and Xbox 360 discs.

>>744559932
Its hard to overstate how massive halo 3 was at the time

>>744561843
and guitar hero

>>744561841
Yeah a million Xbox 360's were banned one summer or something.
Mine never got banned lucky enough.

>>744560974
Forza 2

>>744560974
>Muh exclusives
It had party chat (people can talk to either other while playing different games) which was revolutionary in 2008
Custom music so you can copy your CDs to the hard drive/have MP3s on a USB stick and play your own music in game
First console with apps like Hulu and Netflix, which quite literally changed the console game
The best multiplats
Came out first so the biggest userbase
And yes, Halo 3 was that big of a console seller

PS3 would eventually surpass it because Microsoft would shoot itself in the foot (remember the Kinect?), movie games like Uncharted started becoming what audiences wanted, and free PSN was attractive when XBL started increasing its prices. But 2005-2009, you were on Xbox or you were a fucking loser

when I got mine, I sent it in and got it back three weeks later. such is life. ce la vie. shit happens. it is what it is. then I turned the new one on and it immediately red ringed again. in that moment I decided to never buy another microsoft hardware product and I haven’t. now they’re losing and laying off and closing studios.

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>>744561841
Here in brazil we all moved to Xbox 360 because we couldn't pirate PS3 discs.

>>744558694
The issue was extremely overexaggerated but some people believed and continue to believe it was endemic. Sounds familiar.

Because you could just get it replaced for free.

It did kill a lot of goodwill though, which the One then finished off.

>>744558694
was there any lawsuits to this? can you imagine if out of nowhere your ps5 just literally stopped and theres no fixes

>>744563120
Why would there be, it was a manufacturing defect and they replaced everyone's system for free, sometimes twice. Lets not act like the PS3 didn't have its own crippling Yellow Light of Death that Sony did NOT fix for free if your system was outside of warranty, but you're too young to know anything about this

>>744559475
>multiple
I never had a hardware issues in my nearly 30 years of using any game console but on the off chance you did somehow overheat yours you would just get it back within a few weeks anyway. Also besides those formerly good exclusives you also had a ton of stuff on the arcade.

>>744558694
It almost did. Microsoft refunded pretty much everyone, and barely made any money during the Xbox 360 generation because of it.

>>744558823
Still dont understand how this could possibly work.The system couldnt possibly resolder with this

>>744558694
>there was no competition (wii was a joke, PS3 hadn't even released yet)
>when the PS3 did release, it was like double the price, had tons of defect problems as well that people seem to forget nowadays, and had no major titles for like the first 2 years
>they actually honored the warranty and replaced all the defective models for free, even covered the shipping fees for you
>if you wanted to play Halo 2/3, Gears 2/3, and a few other xbox exclusives you put up with it
>cheevos and online profiles were new and cool features

>>744563381
yes but the damage they done to industry was beyond repair
>dlc
>mtx
>p2p online
>premium subscription
>low quality hardware and accessories
The list goes on

>>744563446
The problem was that overheating the system wouild cause the metal plate on top of the CPU to expand and lift off, taking the thermal paste with it. By superheating it and wrapping it in towels you basically were trying to melt the thermal paste off the plate back onto the CPU and reconnect the metal plate, but this never lasted.

It happened to mine and I was stuck playing Gamecube and PS2 games until the I could buy the 360 slim

>>744558694
It was the Halo and Gears machine

>>744563732
retard

>>744558694
Ballmer gave instant greenlight to spend a shitton of money to fix the problem. Lack of hesitation and investing enough in doing it properly

On the initial production line at the factory in the run-up to launch something like a third of consoles were failing QA because they were already red-ringing. They apparently did not bother to look into what was causing this at all and just assumed that the ones that weren't RRODing would be fine in the long-term (according to the official history, which if they were willing to admit that leads me to believe they were aware of what the issue was but decided they would not or could not do anything at that point)

>>744563647
Why didnt you send it in?

>>744563526
>pay2play online
that started with the OG xbox. also, not defending micrococks or anything here, but back in the early 00s paying for online functionality made some sense. back then there wasn't giant server farms all over the world that you could just lease out some space in and get global coverage for your online gaming service practically overnight. And what server space was available to lease was expensive compared to nowadays. So they either had to build it themselves, and all the memory and storage for that wasn't cheap back then (although cheaper than today's prices, thanks AI fags), or pay a premium for leased server space. either way they were gonna have to shell out a good chunk of change, and they simply passed that price onto the players, which honestly was fair.

But nowadays with all the infrastructure already in place and long payed for, there is absolutely no reason for the outrageous prices they charge. renting servers for even something as large as an MMO is pennies on the dollar compared to 20 years ago.

>>744564002
Pay for internet access started with the Dreamcast actually and it was $22/month if you could believe it

>>744558694
It had games

>>744558694
It did. Nobody I knew with a 360 planned on sticking with Microsoft after they all had at least one console die. Xbone's other problems just compounded the issue.

It was a ploy to sell more 360s.

>red ring of death
>good goy gets another one or gets his refurbished
>sales go up

>>744558694
I'll answer seriously: even though Micro$oft knew they had a turd in their hands, their play at being the first one to reach that level of sophistication paid off, because gamers were yearning for it. Sometimes it's not about being the best, it's about being first.

>>744558694
gaming is an addiction. what, are you going to stop smoking crack just because your dealer makes you suck his dick every now and then? no. no you are not.

>>744559932
Those 2 brands were the gta6 of their era it mattered quite a lot actually.

>>744558694
Because they spent 1 billion on a 3 year extended warranty (by that time the revised boards replaced most of the old shit) and because consoles were notoriously shit quality in general. But this didn't stop them selling. Just like now, if you have the software advantage you can do anything. The PS5 is much worse build quality than the Series but it doesn't matter. The Switch 1 is an absolutely turd but it doesn't matter.

>>744561843
Halo 3 was a big hit but you weren't going to convert Sony fans with that alone. It was the PS3 fucking up that gave Xbox the edge.

>>744565631
>consoles were notoriously shit quality in general
Lmao what, are you retarded? Pretty sure my old PS1 STILL works great to this day.

Red ring was funnier than the damage it caused. Simple as.

>>744563962
>A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 miles per hour. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average cost of an out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is greater than the cost of a recall, we recall the cars and no one gets hurt. If X is less than the cost of a recall, then we don't recall.

>>744564002
Xbox 360 games were using P2P connections, the server costs were negligible. It was always a scam.

>>744559234
Fun fact, a local game store near me got raided by police because they offered the service to send RROD'd 360s to Microsoft themselves and after sending hundreds, MS reported them for suspicious activities. They thought that they were sending them stolen 360s and refused to send them back lmao it was a huge shitshow

>>744558694
The PS3 was that bad and the Wii was for kids, the 360 was the only option.

>>744558694
Works on my system, git gud

>>744565569
GTA was the GTA of that era.

>>744565631
PS5 had several advantages over the Xbox Series X, and the Series S being a thing heavily diluted the Xbox brand. The Switch was the first handheld able to play home console games and being able to easily connect to the TV.

Because charging 600 usd for a console in 2007 was insane.

>>744558694
can you believe that what killed Xbox wasn't the RRoD but the always online Drm? It's so ironic.
People were willing to put up with anything but always online but now we live in a future where you can't avoid it and it chosen by the people.

I got the rrod and Microsoft fixed it for free. Shit was so annoying though and I had to send it in twice but it was fixed eventually for good. It didn't kill them because gamers are retards playstation wasn't killed when every single users personal info was leaked or when psn was down for six months and people couldn't play their digital games

>>744566378
>people couldn't play their digital games
That wasn't such a big issue back then tho.

>>744558694
it had dead rising, gears, and saints row. early x360 was great, felt like an extension of the ps2 moreso than the ps3 which had gay shit like heavenly sword and uh lbp i guess

>>744560974
Forzas, Ace Combat 6, Saints Row 1, Crackdown, Dead or Alive

>>744563962
They were so desperate to beat sony that they released the console knowing full well it was defective. The irony is sony delayed the ps3's release by a year because they too were having reliability issues. Had microsoft pushed back the release date they could've still beat sony to the market.

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>any game comes out
>lets compare
>another PS3 "L"

Tale as old as time...

>>744558694
The alternative was PS3

360 could be goat if not for paid online

>>744558694
PS3 had no games. The PC market still wasn't all there.

>>744559619
>jeets
>2007
Reading posts like this makes me happy I was actually around at that time and able to experience an internet that most of the 3rd world didn't yet have access to.

7th gen was so weird, because everyone was saying that PC gaming is dead, while Nvidia released 8800 by 2007, which could run every game that generation.

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>>744560974
https://youtu.be/WKbdZfNACSI?si=5usp8xpMvxzi9qZI

>>744558694
I was in year 7 back then and had ps2/psp/ds

>>744566356
>but the always online Drm? It's so ironic.
I don't think most people would have cared realistically, but there was a lot of other things that made the Xbone so gay at launch like trying to make it an even shittier babyfied Wii rip off with Kinect and ditching their core players that the always online DRM just ended up being another reason to not buy one.

>>744567424
>which could run every game that generation.
Right, now all that needed to happen were for those games to actually release on PC.

Only yesterday I dragged my old 360 fat out of the garage. It has been there for at least 10 years and gets baking hot in summer.

It still booted up. The HDD still works. The controllers still work after cleaning up the battery leaks.

Installed abadavatar with no dramas and I was having a blast last night - brought me back to a time when console gaming was pretty good.

Thnkx for reading my blog

>>744567545
The most relevant ones did

>>744558694
Consumer technology, especially computer stuff, was generally expected to have flaws and fuck ups on launch. It wasn't THAT much of a big deal unless the company was an ass about it.

>>744558694
the whole console was cheaper than a game is today

>>744559932
Go ahead and name a single popular multiplayer game that was a PS3 exclusive. I'll wait.

People bought another because the Xbox 360 was the social platform when it came to gaming. Don't even get me started on how abysmal dogshit the PS3's servers were or how many times they got hacked in the 7th generation, one of them compromising 77 million accounts and keeping the PSN down for just shy of a month. The fact that Xbox won the 7th generation by a landslide despite their launch console being a lemon and the PS3 having better hardware is fucking astounding. It makes me realize just how long the people running things at Sony's Playstation division have been this egregiously retarded, because apparently it's bare minimum 15 years now that they've just been nosediving the brand straight into the ground. Sony won again in the 8th gen, but only because Xbox focused too much on an entertainment box instead of a gaming machine. They never really stopped the nosedive. It's just that Xbox joined in for a while.

>>744567591
What console games in the seventh gen were getting released on PC? Even games like SR2 took months to reach PC and played horribly there.

>>744558694
Was cheaper and had halo, ps3 had talladega nights, so it immediately outsold the ps3 10:1.
By the time the red ring really started becoming a big problem, the momentum was already on lock.

Because losers will buy anything that's anti-Nintendo. Either that, or they just like Banjo or any other franchise Microsoft ate.

Happened to 3 people I knew from school back in the day who had these, gears of war co op was pretty fun though, I played on PC myself

Lol one guy would come over just to play oblivion on my PC cause I had mods that added new stuff like weapons, quests and radiant NPC encounters and it just blew him away

>>744567547
Rrod happened after months of regular use. The heating and cooling that happened when you used the console then turned it off then turned it back on later, that's what fucked up the early units. Also MS did fix it in a revision made in 2008, so if your xbox is older than 2008 it probably won't rrod.

>>744567764
Wii came out a while after and it's library was pretty bad for a long time. TP wasn't a particularly stellar LoZ and Galaxy took time to come out. It still sold amazingly well just off its gimmick and Wii Sports.

>>744558823
This was only a temp fix, I was able to send mine in and they replaced it

I like Gears

Xbox had better exclusives and CoD stuff was really big back then so it pretty much carried sales for Xbox.

>>744567873
The wii captured a completely different market from the ps3/xbox though.

>>744567862
mine is the f13 special edition which camoe out in March 2010.

Somewhat unrelated but I hope Xbox makes a comeback. Not because I'm a fanboy or anything but I think it would suck if you only had 1 major console.

>>744567954
i agree, but people who say this just don't want to accept nintendo is kicking this shit out of sony and ms for the past 10 years

>>744558694
>how didn't this immediately kill the xbox brand?
It didn't immediately but I knew people who switched over to ps3 after it happened even though MS would replace your 360.

>>744558694
People wouldn't touch PS3 until the slim 120GB at $299 in 2009 and the 360 had a fixed revision by then

>>744558804
>>744558838
Xbox didn't have brand loyalty when the 360 came out. The go Xbox was a distant second place to the PS2. What gave the 360 the edge was that.
>It came out like a year earlier than it's competitor (funnily enough one of the same reasons the the PS2 won it's generation)
>The infamous "five hundred and ninety-nine US dollars" Sony E3 disaster (the 360 selling for literally half the price)
>Microsoft taking the unexpected step of offering a completely free repair/replacement for every broken original model 360 with no deadline.

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>you and i in a little toyshop, buy a bunch of games and a new xboooox
>play until the break of dawn, now suddenly , somethings wrong
>microsoft just stick to software, you're not cut out to make software
>now i sit and wonder why.... i bought something... that will just die.....

>>744558694
In retrospect it's actually pretty amazing how well Microsoft managed that shitshow. My original old x360 that didn't even have hdmi died from this, but they just sent me a new one and it only took like a week even here in Binland. I still have a few of those stupid ass faceplates for the thing somewhere in storage.

>>744567980
I'm a PC gamer but started on the 360 when I was a kid. Haven't really kept up with console stuff now but I do know the switch has sold like crazy. I also hope the steam machine does well along with the steam deck. Both more competition in hardware and software (Linux) is great for consumers.

>>744561357
I've still got a working fat ps3 and I used the shit out of it, I don't think 50% is an accurate statistic.

>>744558694
I don't know. I just don't know.

There were people who were bragging about how many xbox 360's they had bought.
On neogaf for example, it was a badge of honour if you had burnt out multiple xbox 360's and then gone out and replaced them with a brand new console and then burnt that one out as well. Like you were some sort of "hardcore gamer".
Lots of people were up to their 5th or 6th console.

It's just complete insanity. You couldn't get me to go anywhere fucking near the xbox brand after that.
>>744561116
Microsoft refused to cover them under warranty at first. It wasn't until there was widespread outrage and journalists started covering it.
>>744560170
On the original motherboards (before any revisions) it was 50%
>>744561649
In many cases they didn't replace them. They """refurbished""" them and it would just happen again.
>>744563015
You're an idiot.

Resistance > Tears of War

>>744561357
grandunc melty

>>744567873
>>744567931
I love Nintendo, but hate the wii. Stupid gimmick no one asked for, wii motion+ and sleeves initially made charging difficult, Mario had a power-up that ties him up (and it wasn't even a role reversal game), Donkey Konga had some playable characters but not Candy Kong, Kirby's epic yarn made me worry Kirby's copy abilities were retired, Mega Man had 2 games with outdated graphics even for snes standard and collectively only had 1 female robot master that was a water elemental (female water elementals are cliche now and they were cliche then), it had mysims which got worse and worse with each new game, and I would have forgiven all of that if it wasn't proof that Mario would rather cross over with his former rival than Mega Man.

XBox 360 was peak console gaming. Good enough resolution and frame rates. 6gb game files. No massive updates to download every few days. Freedom of speech with the online lobbies.

Putting aside 4k at 60fps, there are no other improvements in modern console gaming.

>>744568605
agreed, but
>shouting nigger in COD lobby is muh freedom of speech!
lol

>>744568719
N

>>744568605
>XBox 360 was peak
If by peak you mean uncompromisingly abysmal, then I concur. It was the worst option of the worst video game generation.

Because Xbox 360 and Xbox Live were unique experiences you couldn't get anywhere else at the time. Everything about the 360 just had that wild west feel that you can't get today.

>>744560974
The 360 had a strong online model for its time that everyone else was willing to pay for, which gave it more momentum on top of having a lower price of entry when it came to multiplats. Hubris led to people willing to put up with Sony's slightly worse model.

>>744558694
It was still the cheapest option and Halo 3 wasn't out yet. Halo was like how Fornite/GTA/CoD are now. By the time Jasper models and Falcon models rolled out the percentage of getting RROD dropped to about ~25%-30% anyway.

>>744559668
Not it didn't lmao. There's a reason people still use and maintain fat PS3's while no one will go out of their way to get an OG shitty 360

>>744560170
It was 10%, some say under that

>>744569392
COD4 on 360 actually outsold and outplayed Halo 3

It had actual good exclusives. Halo 3, ODST, and Reach, Gears 1-3 these are genuinely better than nearly anything made today

>>744560974
Emulation list needed?
Here.

Fable II (good)
Fable III
Forza Motorsport 2 (good)
Forza Motorsport 3
Forza Motorsport 4
Forza Horizon
Alan Wake
Lost Odyssey (good)
Blue Dragon (decent)
Project Gotham Racing 3
Project Gotham Racing 4
Viva Piñata (decent)
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise
Shadow Complex
Crackdown (good)
Perfect Dark Zero (good)
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (Zelda ToTK prototype game, decent)
'Splosion Man
Ninja Gaiden II
The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
Dead Rising (good)
Dance Central 2
Dance Central 3
Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation (good)
Kameo: Elements of Power

>>744563460
>when the PS3 did release, it was like double the price
Only 100 bucks difference between the 20GB models, and that difference would be made up after 2 years of paying to play online on Xbox

>>744569598
Fuck off retard
All of those suck btw

>>744566752
Total meme, most games worked basically the same on both consoles

>>744568719
It is. Fuck off jewish lemming

>>744558694
i have no clue how they legally got away with it
i lost 3 to RRoD, and my 4th's disc drive failed
a year after receiving it back from microsoft for repairs they bricked my entire console for 'modifying my disc drive'
i will never touch a microsoft console ever again

>>744568719
It is, though.

>>744558694
Because the alternatives were essentially a gimmick machine with terrible visual fidelity and an underpowered mess of a system that cost nearly twice as much while being less powerful in practice until near the end of the generation.

>>744569836
>all of those suck
lol

>>744558823
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>>744563446
>>744559152

Is this some kind history rewrite? The only time anyone I knew wrapped their 360 in a towel was to force a red-ring when there was something else wrong with it so they could take advantage of the extended warranty.

>>744569945
You were literally paying Microsoft a monthly fee to be able to do that, but somehow i'm the jewish lemming in this scenario

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The $600 pricetag of the PS3 and casual nature of the Wii positioned the xbox360 perfectly to be the midrange product that everyone accepted had a higher failure rate.

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So what the hell is everyone going to do when the PS6 and Next Xbox are $1,000+?

>>744570332
Not buy them unless the exclusives are incredible.

>>744570269
It was an extremely common fix as was wrapping the mobo in tin foil and putting it in an oven on the lowest heat setting you had for a few minutes. Some people also just bought heat guns to do the same thing without baking the mobo (I did this one and it worked and has worked for years now).

The entire point of it was to reflow the solder since it was low melt due to being lead free if I remember right.

>>744570426
Fascinating, I don't remember anyone trying to fix the red-ring, we always just sent it off to get repaired/replaced.

>>744570392
>year 2011+15
>incredible Sony/MS exclusives
Hahahaha

>>744558694
Because the 360 was just that good

>>744570548
I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just saying that's what would have to come to pass for either of them to get my money.

>>744567654
>Go ahead and name a single popular multiplayer game that was a PS3 exclusive
Why does it matter if its exclusive? The most popular multiplayer titles were stuff like CoD and Battlefield. I never gave a fuck about Halo, no one outside the US did

>People bought another because the Xbox 360 was the social platform when it came to gaming
The "social platform" was the one people around you had. Seriously, what the fuck does this even mean, I had no problem making friends on PS3

>Don't even get me started on how abysmal dogshit the PS3's servers were
The "servers" in multiplayer games were the same retard, you did not get any kind of higher quality connection or anything of the sort like you imply. So many games like CoD ran on P2P connection, meanwhile you were stuck paying to play online like a fucking retard thinking you got a better service lmao

>muh meme hack that lasted a month muh 6000 gorillion accounts
Genuinely have zero memory of this, if PSN was down then we just went outside, you sound like an ipad kid

>The fact that Xbox won the 7th generation by a landslide
Won in what way? PS3 still sold more in the end despite so many of 360's sales just being the consoles they had to resend to the same person, and PS3 ended up with the better library of exclusives. All Shitbox did was introduce all the worst fucking trends in the industry

>>744570332
Ignore them. Helix basically doesn't exist as an option in anyone's minds and until the PS6 drops to normal levels it's basically only people who would willingly spend money on a PS5 Pro which is a much lower amount of people than the PS4 Pro was. Not to mention removing physical copies on the PS6 is going to be astronomically terrible for the PS6 due to Sony's monopoly and lack of secondary market leading to much worse sales for the consumer as a whole.

Realistically everyone is just gonna continue making PS5 versions like how they're still making PS4 versions of games even to this day years after it should have been put to pasture with third-party disk manufacturers picking up Sony's slack, make Series versions of games but digital-only, and rely on the Switch 2 to basically carry the entire generation on its back as both Sony and Microsoft shoot each other in the head. I sincerely doubt it's gonna see more than like 20 million copies sold in under 3ish years simply due to the price. That's straight up prebuilt PC territory which people already find enormously hard to justify and the Switch 2's price of $450 was already considered pretty rough to swallow.

>>744570527
A lot of people didn't want to wait or didn't want to risk the Microsoft lottery of getting an RROD system right back to them which happened to a friend of mine three times in a row. In my case my RROD only happened when I powered it on in like 2018? 2019? So it wasn't even possible to get it done anyway.

>>744570123
PS3 didn't cost "twice as much", the 20GB PS3 was only 100 bucks more than the 20GB 360 model, and the difference would be made up after 2 years of paying for Xbox live

>>744570269
It wasn't a guaranteed fix, but I distinctly remember my buddy's 360 RROD'd just as Halo 3 released. He was so sad we couldn't play it, but I found someone describing the towel fix. He said "fuck it, might as well try"
We kept it as flat and as still as we could, fried it for a few mins, left it to cool for a few hours just to be safe and we played Halo 3 all the way through that night.

>>744558694
Because ps3 was also an unreliable pile of shit and nintendo had waggle controllers. It was a rough time for hardware in general.

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>>744558991
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>>744559129
>360
512mb unified ram
32mb reserved by OS
480mb unified ram available for games to be split anyway they liked, and most games split it like 100/380

>ps3
256/256 ram/vram
64/32 reserved by OS
192/224 available for games, and devs COULD borrow from system ram, but it required a shit load of work to get around the horseshit that was the PPE/SPE/ram/vram swapping bullshit so most didn't bother at all

Xbox 360 Xenos was factually the first commercial GPU to have unified shaders, and remained the only one until Nvidia released the 8000 series in late 2006. It wasn't possible for any contemporary GPU to do what the 360 was doing in 2005. DX9 and eDRAM, 10MB, and the Xbox 360 does MSAA for free if you can fit your render targets within that 10MB limit

>got the red ring
>unplugged and replugged the power supply
>went back to normal
It's still working today, I wonder how many people threw out their functional Xboxs due to this ring meme

>>744568719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7QCh-l-EJM

>>744570278
>thinks I was playing on 360
Iol

>>744570814
I've had it happen a couple times over the years but the old girl is still kicking. rrod can mean different errors depending on how many segments are lit up but I don't remember which is the big bad.

>>744570702
>PS3 didn't cost "twice as much"
It was $500 at launch which was beyond ridiculous for the time period and people to this day meme about it. The 360 at launch had the Core variant which was $300. Roughly a year or two after release it got a price cut down to $250 for the Arcade (Rebranded Core) and the base model was $350. It took the PS3 until 2007 to have a model that was $400.
>and the difference would be made up after 2 years of paying for Xbox live
This consideration does not factor into anyone's purchasing decisions because Xbox Live is not mandatory for anything, and no one impulse buying does the math on this.

>>744570814
lol i plugged my 360 a few years ago and it was rroding. i thought it was broke, but it turns out it was because the av was plugged in. that's when i learnt it basically did that for any hardware error

>>744570957
how dare i presume that in a thread about the xbox 360, how silly of me.

>>744570737
>>744570635

Getting the feeling like these are the only guys that replied who were actually alive when this shit dropped besides the buttblasted snoys

The truth is, people demanded the ability to play CoD 4, it was simply the game of the generation, if you had not or did not play it with your bros you were basically treated like a 12 year old younger brother who hadn't discovered women yet

People were scrambling to fix the RRoD themselves, and the janky ass forum posts describing the fixes sucked, but they would work around 2/3rds of the time to buy you a few weeks until you knew for sure that Microsoft would unfuck your machine in a short a window as possible

they were mortified, and doing everything they could, but the people were legitimately ravenous to achieve the legendary golden gun camo and run around high school campuses pretending to knife each other

I can't tell you how many times I heard "knoife da wataMELLON" in my life, but yes, the 360 was simply unrivaled because all Sony had was Killzone kek

>>744570905
It always cracks me up that he is literally crying while recording that, it's basically /v/ - The Voice Message

>>744571041
>the av was plugged in
*wasn't plugged in

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>>744570621
>I never gave a fuck about Halo, no one outside the US did
You are delusional. Halo was so immensely popular that 3 had over a million concurrent players online at one point. We even have heat maps directly showing where these people were, so unless you were Russian or South American you were very likely playing Halo at the time on the 360.

>Seriously, what the fuck does this even mean
How are you not getting what he means? He means that at the time Playstation had no proper messaging system (Still has a terrible one on the PS3), was slow to do anything, lacked basic features like a party system for years and years, and because it didn't come with a mic by default no one talked on it. The 360 had all of this that the PS3 lacked. Every single game you played had people shooting the shit 24/7, partying up, and messaging each other and it's one of the most well known advantages the platform had.

>The "servers" in multiplayer games were the same
Again, how do you not get what he means? The 360 online had significantly more people playing even dead games. I played Singularity 4 years after it released and it still had active multiplayer servers on the 360. TF2 had an active scene even past when the PC version got items while the PS3 version was a wasteland with people abusing invisible stabs as Spy if you did get a match. It was also extremely stable no matter what you did whereas on PS3 enjoy lag city because everyone plays wifi.

>Genuinely have zero memory of this
How? Portal 2 literally could not be redeemed on Steam which was an advertising point of the PS3 version because of it. I played through the game like seven times on my PS3 waiting for the downtime to be over.

>Won in what way?
The PS3 took until the last two years to even remotely turn anything around as a system. For 90% of the generation the 360 spearheaded everything and objectively had the best version of every multiplat game barring Dragon's Dogma and arguably Asura's Wrath.

>>744570621
You could have a private voice chat room of 15 people on mics. PS3 didn't have thst. I got a PS3 in 2013 and was blown away by how many features it didn't have compared to 360. You people could only communicate to eachother with text chat outside of multiplayer lobbies lol

>>744560974
Exclusives were a small bulletpoint in the success of the 360, but OF THOSE exclusives, the ones that were really good (halo, Mass Effect, GoW, Fable, Dead Rising, etc...) were what kept the staying power going.

>XBL was the first to have a "mature" online presence with VoIP, matchmaking, achievements, online store, and Friends List all in one, making it the first of its kind. The HUEG Xbox XBL was woefully obsolete
>MASSIVE push for free month-passes for XBL in every game so people could get hooked
>As said many times, it was out before PS3 and Wii so it was ahead of the curve and had a solid advantage
>Both Nintendo and Playstations online networks were rudimentary and still immature. But they had to get it out the door, so it just was what it was. This gave the de facto console online win to the 360
>The RRoD, while a massive pain in the ass to players, wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be since MS still at the time replaced it for free which many players were happy about (this would have been its death knell if they had not done this)
>The 360's controller was a massive improvement over the HUEG Xbox's small controller and became the default design


Now all of these things alone wouldn't have done much (except the improvements to XBL, and I contend that it was the shining jewel of the system), but all of those aspects wrapped together made the 360 a powerhouse. If you were making multiplat games, you made the 360 your primary console. But even then, with the PS3's architecture, making multiplats for it was a pain in the fucking ass for it.

If PSN or Wii's online capabilities had been more robust, mature, and fleshed out, I think we'd be having a different conversation, albeit not a COMPLETELY different one. But these days, PSN its in a much better place than it was before.

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>>744571020
>This consideration does not factor into anyone's purchasing decisions because Xbox Live is not mandatory for anything
Oh yeah you only had to miss out on multiplayer for the entire generation, on the console where half the reason people remember it for was muh Halo multiplayer. Get real lol, it's absolutely a factor

>It was $500 at launch
So only 100 bucks more expensive than the equivalent 360, and the difference would be made up after 2 years of paying to play online like I said. How is it any more ridiculous?

>The 360 at launch had the Core variant which was $300.
Why would you compare the most expensive PS3 model to the cheapest, shittiest 360 model that didn't even have Wi-fi, HDMI, or a fucking hard drive among many other things. Btw, have you actually TRIED playing games on of those? Even on my 360 Slim, playing a game installed to the HDD can get decently loud, and without installing the game to the HDD the console is so fucking loud it's genuinely impossible to even enjoy the game. On the original Core 360, combined with the looming failure rate, it has to be one of the worst fucking gaming experiences you could ever have

The fact that they sold a shitty ass cheap model without basic features like a HDD (which retards wouldn't know about) to rope in poorfags into a miserable experience thinking they were getting a deal is not a ''pro'', it's fucking insulting. It was literally the flip-flops-and-socks Klarna console

>>744571564
>Get real lol, it's absolutely a factor
Again, not mandatory. People would absolutely buy it after the fact but in the moment they didn't care.
>How is it any more ridiculous?
Because most people were buying the Core systems, not the base systems and basing their price points around those.
>Why would you compare the most expensive PS3 model to the cheapest, shittiest 360 model that didn't even have Wi-fi, HDMI, or a fucking hard drive among many other things.
Because Sony's entire launch was plagued with 599 US dollars as the focal point just like how the Xbone was with "We have a system for those users, it's called an Xbox 360". It doesn't matter in any way that there was a $100 cheaper model of the PS3, most people knew of it from the "599 US dollars" announcement. Just like how the Wii was known as the casual and grandparent console because of "Wii would like to play" and countless news stations talking about how it was popular in nursing homes.
>Btw, have you actually TRIED playing games on of those?
The 360 didn't even HAVE HDD installing until after the NXE update which was in late 2008 so everyone who played on one played off the disc and saved to a memory card. It's why patches had to be super small updates and why Valve in particular had to fight an uphill battle for The Orange Box and Left4Dead to get updates among other things.

Digital gaming was not widespread at all at the time nor was an HDD necessary until the Summer of Arcade promotion was pushed and indie games like Braid became instant hits because Microsoft wanted to get people buying from their digital storefront.

>>744558694
>was a xbox kid from day 1 (sold the 360 to go full gamur PC back in my college days)
>always mega paranoid about RROD
>not exactly the best carer of hardware either
>disk reader always worked
>never crashed
>brought it to and from various houses my family moved to
>sell it to a friend of a friend
>hear years later it fucking died like a month after he got it from me
sorry you blew your dad’s money, kevin. thanks for bankrolling the PC that got me all through college and for a few years after though

>>744571743
>Again, not mandatory. People would absolutely buy it after the fact but in the moment they didn't care.
Such disingenuous bullshit
Like I said people might have been tricked into thinking it was a deal because the console itself was cheaper, but then they realised they would have to pay a subscription to play multiplayer which most people obviously wanted to do. So it was a factor, lol

>most people knew of it from the "599 US dollars" announcement
Ok, I don't care about memes from 20 years ago. Fact is the 20 GB PS3 was only 100 bucks more expensive than the equivalent 360, and the difference would be made up after 2 years of paying to play online

>The 360 didn't even HAVE HDD installing until after the NXE update w
And like I said, playing games on 360 without installing them to the HDD is a fucking miserable experience, on a 360 Slim, let alone on a Core 360 knowing your console was gonna blow up anytime. You're not even saying anything. Did you actually read my post or do you just want to get the last word in?

>>744558694
Mostly because back then they would take it back no questions asked and repair/send a new one and just unironically most people having more disposable income back then and not giving a shit

>>744572059
>but then they realised they would have to pay a subscription to play multiplayer which most people obviously wanted to do. So it was a factor, lol
Which they only cared about after they purchased the system. You are acting like anyone cared about this in the moment of their purchase.

>Ok, I don't care about memes from 20 years ago.
It doesn't matter if you don't care. We are talking about how and why people bought the 360 over the PS3 at the time. People chose to avoid the PS3 because of their disastrous price announcement. The system basically didn't exist in anyone's mind until the Slim release and Uncharted 3 came out at which point even the sales start showing a reversal of their dismal sales figures. You listing off that there was a cheaper PS3 version at launch means nothing and anyone alive at the time knew this. Sony's PS3 launch was horrific, the Sixaxis was garbage because it had no rumble, its launch games were Lair and Heavenly Sword which were laughably bad, it had no games on the horizon for people to care about, and most importantly it was priced astronomically high compared to the extremely cheap and competitive 360 that everyone bought because the higher priced model was irrelevant to anyone but enthusiasts.

>You're not even saying anything.
I am saying something and you're ignoring it. Your entire argument is that people had a cheaper PS3 version so they should have been going to that when the reality was that all your complaints that you have about the 360 being loud or $100 less than the PS3 are irrelevant and are only something that matter through your current view of the system. They didn't matter at the time because to every normal person the PS3 was a $600 device, not $500, it had no gaems, it had a significantly worse multiplayer scene because no one bought it, it had no achievement system, it had worse performing multiplats, and the 360 had everything it had but cheaper.

>>744564083
I didn't realize that, innerestin' history fact.

>>744571195
>You are delusional. Halo was so immensely popular that 3 had over a million concurrent players online at one point
No, you are delusional. The 360's popularity is already massively skewed towards the US, with it being comfortable outsold by the PS3 everywhere in Europe, let alone Halo itself

Genuinely never knew about it or knew anyone who played it before coming here

>and because it didn't come with a mic by default no one talked on it
Always had people talking on mic on CoD, do you think people buying a cheap mic was an impossibility or something lol. Once again like the other guy this is just you reflecting your personal experience. The ''social console'' was whichever one most people around you had, in my case it was the PS3 as I genuinely only ever know 1 other guy that had a 360. And again never had an issues meeting new people online, if you really became friends with someone and chatted all the time then you moved it over to a chat or voice program on PC

>The 360 online had significantly more people playing even dead games.
Weird cause I had the opposite experience. Before backcompat with future Xbox consoles factored into the equasion, games like Dark Souls were way more active on PS3 than 360

>For 90% of the generation the 360 spearheaded everything and objectively had the best version of every multiplat
Massive exaggeration, most games ran about the same on both consoles, and people always point to the same few exceptions like RDR1 and Bayonetta 1 (which was ported by a different studio) or Bethesda games (Oblivion aside) where the PS3 versions were much worse

>>744558694
because microsoft salaved the situation.

I got RRoD, sent my 360 for repairs for free, got it back in 2 weeks and worked up until I sold it to Best Buy for $150 many years later.

>>744571195
I'm in that pic!

>>744572270
Ok, you wanna talk about marketing strategy. I'm talking about the actual product you got. Yes they managed to convince a lot of people with the slightly lower initial price, but then you would end up spending far more as you were locked into paying for a yearly subscription for the entire generation if you wanted to play online, just to have to deal with the same P2P connection in games anyway which was a joke. Yes, they did a good job roping people into the shitty cheap model, but the Core 360 was a joke with it missing the most basic of features and was an insult to costumers

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>>744572832
>The 360's popularity is already massively skewed towards the US
Halo's own heatmaps show you it was immensely popular in Europe as well. Was the 360 primarily popular in the US? Yes. That doesn't mean that Europe wasn't also buying it at the time.

>Genuinely never knew about it or knew anyone who played it before coming here
Then you're a reclusive European, Russian, or South American because Halo 3's launch was one of the most massive announcements at the time. Everyone knew about it. It was literally one of the biggest announcements of 2006. "Finish the fight" was a phrase everyone at the time knew. You can even Google this to see just how everyone will back up this fact. I didn't even get a 360 until like 2007 with my only Halo experience being the CE client shared around here to play multiplayer at the time so I didn't even really pay attention to the series. Not to mention Arby n' the Chief basically established Machinima as a brand off of Halo 3's release.

>Always had people talking on mic on CoD, do you think people buying a cheap mic was an impossibility or something lol.
No one is saying the PS3 didn't have communication, it had significantly less is the point because it didn't come with it by default like the 360 did.

>if you really became friends with someone and chatted all the time then you moved it over to a chat or voice program on PC
You are a complete outlier to the general public and how normalfags worked at the time. No one went off-platform let alone to talk on Skype or Ventrilo on PC, they played in parties every single day and talked over mic.

>games like Dark Souls were way more active on PS3 than 360
You got instant invasions on the 360 and it was nonstop, same with GFWL which was a smaller userbase at the time. Call of Duty games were instant.

>most games ran about the same on both consoles
Off the top of my head Assassin's Creed, Arkham, GTA4, Bioshock, Oblivion, and I believe Mass Effect were all notably worse on PS3.

>>744558694
It was not a localized issue. PS3 had YLOD as well, and the GPU's from that era were not that reliable either. There was no "escape to the other side", since both Nvidia and ATI had the same shipment of chips which was fucked from the getgo and raped entire batches of hardware.

In the end you couldn't really complain about your house buring when the entire town is in a firestorm.
Now, how this did not kill the entire idea of consoles is a better question, since when your GPU died you could easily replace it unlike console fuckery, hence why mustards didn't complain as much.

because they replaced it for free while the wii was shit for anything but firs tparty and the ps3 was $600

every other answer is pseudo bullshit

>>744559475
oh look another halo hater revealing he never played it or owned the console

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>>744573216
>I'm talking about the actual product you got.
Which wasn't what the topic of thread or post you originally quoted at all. I was from the start talking about why the 360 was immensely popular at the time and beat out the PS3 on top of why it didn't die because of the RRoD.

If you want to simply talk about quality then even in that respect the 360 had a better controller, initially stronger first-party lineup, achievements, a better developed social system in general for multiplayer, more populated multiplayer severs across the board instead of only in specific games because people wanted to get their money's worth so they tended to spread out, a significantly better and faster UI in the Blades than the XMB ever was, better visuals and performance in basically any game you could think of even when they were Japanese-produced as it usually had higher resolutions or no screen tearing, the XIG initiative later on, Japanese-exclusives from Treasure and Cave later on, exclusive titles to the Arcade, came with a mic by default so everyone used it, and more.

The PS3 had better BC, better build quality even when considering the YLOD, ran way quieter, and didn't require you to pay for online. In exchange it took them years and years to even get their multiplayer solution to get even halfway to what the 360 had, you couldn't even play music while playing a game and to this day I don't believe you can but I'd have to check, the messaging system is a complete mess, the trophy system to this day still requires you to sit through a load to upload them and most early games never got a patch for them to be added, its store runs so badly that after their "final" patch to it it constantly crashes and can hard crash the system, and until Sony pushed their PSN-only games like Fat Princess it didn't succeed digitally either.

The 360 only really went down the crapper when they pivoted to a focus on the Kinect which is coincidentally also when the PS3 started to pick up.

>>744558694
Looking back at it, it was crazy how a console that was constantly failing managed to be so popular.
Then again the Switch was super successful despite its controllers breaking all the time...
I guess the lesson we can learn here is that as long as a console has good exclusives fans are going to overlook any technical problems.

>>744573234
> because Halo 3's launch was one of the most massive announcements at the time
You're just recounting your personal experience. The biggest launches of that generation like Black Ops and Battlefield 3 far eclipsed Halo

>You are a complete outlier to the general public and how normalfags worked at the time. No one went off-platform let alone to talk on Skype or Ventrilo on PC, they played in parties every single day and talked over mic.
You think getting on voice programs on PC to chat with people you played games with was a rarity in the 2000's? Everyone back then had a PC in the home, unless it was different in the US

>Off the top of my head Assassin's Creed, Arkham, GTA4, Bioshock, Oblivion, and I believe Mass Effect were all notably worse on PS3.
Oblivion was better on PS3. Anyway, point is, there wasn't a gulf in performance between both consoles like people pretend there was, like I said most games ran about the same with some exceptions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgmeE6zLK8Q

The games that ran like crap on one console usually ran like crap on the other

>>744558694
it should have but XBOX Live was the place to be

>>744558694
The hype was unreal. I remember buying mine from target. I brought it home and set it up. It red ring that night. It was my fault though I put it in my entertainment center which had zero air flow. I made the poor choice of returning it to xbox to get it fixed instead of returning it to target. I had to wait 2 weeks to get my "brand" new xbox back. It was one of the best consoles I ever had.

>>744558694
People had real purchasing power before the 2008 market crash. So instead of getting buyers remorse. They just bought another one because why not.

>It had more games than the PS3 at the time.
>They looked better because developers had more experience with the Xbox architecture than the PS3's.
>It launched early in the generation.
>Despite RRoD, Microsoft replaced the affected units.
>It was cheaper than the PS3 at launch.
>It could be hacked (hardmods) before the first PS3 jailbreak and was much more stable.
>Its point reward system was interesting, allowing you to exchange points for DLC, games, or multimedia content.
>Its $60 annual fee acted as a barrier, making its multiplayer experience less third-world.

>>744560974
Viva Piñata

>>744574359
>The biggest launches of that generation like Black Ops and Battlefield 3 far eclipsed Halo
Look at when those games actually released. We're not talking about the whole generation, just generalizing. Halo defined years of that generation's introduction. Even then Black Ops sold 1.5x more on the 360 than the PS3 and this was at a point where the PS3 was starting to sell well.
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/game-platforms/exclusive-i-black-ops-i-for-xbox-360-sells-nearly-5-million-in-u-s-
You're right that around ODST and Reach (So like 2010ish?) it started to fall off as a brand in general primarily because Call of Duty took over as the major dudebro brand, but Halo defined early gen 7.

>Everyone back then had a PC in the home, unless it was different in the US
PC was not a thing in the US at all. PC was for businessmen and enthusiasts. My family didn't even get a PC past a 98 until like 2005. I had to rely on library computers and random family computers to play Runescape or Maplestory. Hell, it still is. People believe it's prohibitively expensive and normalfags only really do PC if it's off their school computers or family PCs. I'm like the only one in my friend group or family who even has a PC capable of playing games released recently.

>Oblivion was better on PS3
It was visually a bit better and loaded a bit faster but was worse in terms of stability and crashed more often. I can't remember if it also had the save bloating bug or if that started with FO3 and FNV which were basically the worst versions on PS3.
>there wasn't a gulf in performance between both consoles like people pretend there was
It wasn't some enormous gulf, but the 360 version of any game nearly always had sharper textures, better performance, higher resolution, and no screen tearing. Screen tearing in particular was a big one because it was essentially free on the 360 and prohibitive to do so on the PS3.

>>744558694
Not consistent enough and the freeride until PS3 release built momentum it was the ONLY "Next-Gen" for a good while, latter releases also reduced the rate of it happening, i never had it happen to mine for example.

It was only when it had been out on the market for a good while the RRODs from the launch units became common and at that point they started releasing the revisions. And it wasn't like the BONE was a roaring success anyway.

Dude just wrap it with a towel haha

>>744574683
>It was visually a bit better and loaded a bit faster but was worse in terms of stability and crashed more often
Haven't heard anything about that, I've played it myself in full with no crashes

> the 360 version of any game nearly always had sharper textures, better performance, higher resolution, and no screen tearing
Eh, it such a minute difference in most games that you wouldn't notice unless you got the measuring tools out

https://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/2010/08/tech-analysis-singularity-ps3-vs-360.html

Sharper textures, I don't think so, certainly not to any noticeable extent, maybe in very very early gen titles. And if you didn't install to the HDD then you'd have horrible texture loading on 360

Better resolution, not really, basically all games ran about the same. Even in something like GTA4 (which people always tout as a much superior 360 port) where the PS3 version has a slightly lower resolution disadvantage, in practice the 360 version ends up looking more jagged

https://youtu.be/qRSGyFWICKA?si=VXdC4ga7tuZALtCY&t=254

Just look at the shadows from the train overpass at 4:14 and how much worse they look on 360, and the worse jaggies at 4:26 on 360

Also pretty sure the 360 versions tended to have more screen tearing precisely in trade for slightly better framerate

>>744559932
They also had PGR and Forza

>>744558694
gamers are cattle. Also console wars were serious business.

As a zoomer i still remember the schoolyard arguments we had, the primary reasons people went for it over the ps3 was price and graphical quality

There was pretty much no brand loyalty at the time because the ps2 was ubiquitous, literally everyone had one and original xbox was seen as something of a novelty.

And funny enough the wii was never seen as a "serious" console but everyone had one anyway because gen x parents went mad over that shit

>>744576191
>Haven't heard anything about that
https://forums.uesp.net/viewtopic.php?t=29922
It was fairly common, even UESP members mention how it's the buggiest version of the lot.
>And if you didn't install to the HDD then you'd have horrible texture loading on 360
Wasn't this primarily later on when HDD installs became more and more mandatory? I think that only started around the Kinect's introduction. PS3 was at the mercy of the game offering an HDD install at all like the PSP did if you wanted to cut out a lot of load times or texture pop-in which was on a game-by-game basis. But I also know it wasn't as big of an issue that I can recall. I know with Yakuza 1&2 HD and I think the Battride War games if I didn't install like 10-20GB of data to the HDD the load times were 3+ seconds longer, but those are exclusives and not multiplats.
>Better resolution, not really, basically all games ran about the same.
It was noticeable because PS3 games tended to run from anything around 540p to 6I think20p whereas the 360 was pretty much always 720p. Later in the generation they were virtually always in parity though. At worst PS3 might lack some effects to stay at the resolution but that's it in most cases. Bioshock Infinite is an example where PS3 was 640p.
https://www.digitalfoundry.net/articles/digitalfoundry-bioshock-infinite-face-off
>Also pretty sure the 360 versions tended to have more screen tearing precisely in trade for slightly better framerate
It was all over the place. Dragon's Dogma for example is what you say.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/626515-dragons-dogma/62885902
But then Asura's Wrath is the opposite.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/605975-asuras-wrath/62103376

Binary Domain had fairly regular frame dips on PS3 (I remember when I got to the city bit this was a problem) while 360 was basically a stable 30 with very rare almost never seen tearing.
https://sega-addicts.com/2012/02/05/the-obligatory-binary-domain-ps3-vs-360-comparison-post/

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how didn't this immediately kill the brand?

If you are a zoomer, it’s probably hard for you to understand. I was 21 when the 360 dropped. It was the first console I actually bought on lunch day. It fucking ruled. For me the 360 is tied with the ps2 for favourite library. The PS3 was expensive. The only dudes I knew that had PS3 around launch were weebs basically. That changed by the end of the decade. The mid to late 2000s was all about the 360, but the 2010s was a bit different. I bought a PS3 in 2010. I played my PS3 more after that.

>>744577657
Because it's a good product and everyone with a brain realizes that the pricing being fucked up isn't really Valve's fault at the moment. Not that i'd ever pay the asking price for that box at the moment, but the device itself is really cool.

>>744558694
Wii was a gay waggle toy for kids and moms and PS3 was five hundred and ninety nine yew ess sollars

It was a combo of Microsoft sucking up and fixing the RROD affected machines at massive cost, nd PS3 fumbling through its early days burdened by high cost, bad exclusives, worse multiplats etc.

By the time PS3 started becoming a better ecosystem, RROD issues were basically fixed in the Xbox mobo revisions of that time. But yeah, it could have really fucked MS up if their main opponent wasn’t also having a bad time with their console release. But now they survived RROD only to get fucked by the Kinect + media player strategy retardation.

>>744558694
How did this even happen? I have had my 360 for YEARS and it never got the red ring of death.

>>744578732
Bad solder combined with components that got really hot in early mobo versions, before they fixed it in silent revisions by using better solder and using chips made with more efficient processes, using less power and generating less heat. Not much you could do to prevent it if you had one from a bad batch.

>>744578732
is it one of the og 360s? I've had like three, but only the original one that didn't have hdmi and had like 8gb hdd or something every rrod, the other two are fine to this day.

>>744578732
Bad solder and cracking in earlier systems

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My 360 dying is what made me a PC gamer

>>744577610
>It was fairly common, even UESP members mention how it's the buggiest version of the lot.
Like I said, never experienced any crashes personally. And I don't see anything about the PS3 version being especially buggy there. Not any buggier than the 360 version at least, but that's Bethesda games

>It was noticeable because PS3 games tended to run from anything around 540p to 6I think20p whereas the 360 was pretty much always 720p.
That wasn't the norm tho. And like I showed even in cases like GTA4 despite the 360 having a theoretical small resolution advantage it ends up producing a worse, more jaggy image

So I wouldn't say that 360 games had ''better resolution'', I would only say that if we lived in a world where Xbox 360 consistently ran games at 1080p while PS3 only ran them at 720p or something, but that's not the case. It would be more accurate to say it had, very occasionally, an inperceptibly small resolution advantage that wouldn't even necessarily translate to a better image

There was a far bigger difference in average resolution between OG Xbox and PS2

>>744558823
How does somebody even come up with a solution like this?
>"my xbox is broken, I bet wrapping it in towels and letting it overheat for 20 minutes will fix it

>>744558823
The towel trick "fixed" it long enough for you to take it to gamestop and sell it and the take that money and buy another one. Leaving you with some cash and the "working" xbox now their liability when it definitely fails again after running well for a bit.

>>744579321
It was just to make it appear in working order. Gamestop would buy and refurbish red ringed xboxs but you would be paid as much for the system.

>>744558804
>>744558838
they would replace your xbox for free

>>744579286
>GTA4 despite the 360 having a theoretical small resolution advantage it ends up producing a worse, more jaggy image
Your specific cherry picked example differed because the anti-aliasing method is different between the PS3 and 360 versions and not because of the rendering res.
360 used MSAA, which had sharper detail. PS3 and specifically GTA4 used QQAA, which made the picture more blurry, but tries best to hide the shimmering.
And this is exactly that, shimmering and not aliasing, because if you actually go to your comparison (like the devil wheel) then you will notice that the count of the actual jaggies on the screen is the same between both versions.
Sharper image is always more advantageous, because you can always have natively a worse, smeared picture by using lower output resolution and/or AV cables instead of HDMI on your 360, but you cannot out of the box make the PS3 render at higher res or change the AA method without homebrew or modding.

>>744579554
izzat gained

>>744579286
>And I don't see anything about the PS3 version being especially buggy there.
Third post. OP even mentions he knows it's the buggiest.

>That wasn't the norm tho.
https://www.digitalfoundry.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox360-vs-ps3-round-28-face-off
Generally it was. I'm not going to force you to read through all this, but using this specific article as an example 12 out of the 15 or 16 games run at lower resolutions than the 360 counterparts. Only one game is 540p (Avatar) while the rest are below 720p at either 544p, 576p, or 640p.
>an inperceptibly small resolution advantage
720p to 540p is roughly 40% less pixels so that's actually fairly perceptible. You're right that if it's like 720p to 640p it's not gonna be terrible but it's pretty noticeable.

>>744558694
Every console shit the bed during that generation
>360 had a 30% failure rate
>PS3 had shit performance, less games, and cost more
>Wii's hardware was a generation behind, and the motion control gimmick wasn't worth it because 90% of games didn't even use it in a fun way

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>>744558694
cause it didn't happen to me

>>744579669
Really moving the goalposts and splitting hairs here. The point is, there just isn't a significant difference in resolution between both consoles. Without using measuring tools you would never tell that PS3 GTA4 is 640p or whatever instead of 720p

>>744558694
Xboxes were cheap because they didn't use some fancy hardware built on an architecture from xenu, they still are cheap if you want an original and the emulator basically runs flawlessly.

My original first gen 360 got the RROD and I fixed it using the screw and washer method, it still works to this day. I never did finish halo 3, maybe I should go back.

>>744558694
back then companies couldn't get away with selling everyone a lemon and doing nothing about it. of course now it is impossible to kill an established brand because people will willingly buy lemons and then actively defend them on the internet.

>>744579321
that melts the tin and re-solders the broken pin

>>744579321
An RRoD in general is almost always caused by the system either being played long enough that the solder melts and then bridging contacts or old age simply causing the cheap lead-free solder they used to crack and cause a poor connection on a chip, usually the CPU.

When you use the towel trick, the oven baking, or a heat gun you are generally heating up the CPU if I remember right to reflow the solder so regardless if it bridged or it had some separation/cracking issues it's like it's brand new. The problem with the towel trick and oven baking is that it can damage capacitors and other components due to how hot you're getting the individual parts for an extended period of time rather than a heat gun where you can target the heat so they were prone to failure whereas the heat gun can focus heat but you had to use tin foil to shield the parts aside from the CPU for the best success when using it.

>>744579853
>Third post. OP even mentions he knows it's the buggiest.
I wouldn't say one random forum post's personal anecdote is definitive evidence

>Generally it was. I'm not going to force you to read through all this, but using this specific article as an example 12 out of the 15 or 16 games run at lower resolutions than the 360 counterparts.
I don't know where you got 16 games. This is a pretty small and random selection of games out of the entire PS3 and 360 library. I mean Splatterhouse, Nail'd, James Bond 007: Blood Stone, TRON: Evolution, these aren't exactly heavy hitters. But even in your own article it is stated how most of these are basically identical in performance. It's hard to draw any other conclusions without any visual comparisons

I'm not sure why you're so insistent on this other than wanting to get the last word in. If you did a blind test on most PS3/360 games you most definitely wouldn't be able to tell apart which is which, you certainly wouldn't make a choice based on these occasional, inperceptible resolution differences

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKlmzOzoAY

I got a cheap 360 slim that gets pretty hot after just an hour or so normal gaming time, should I replace the paste?

>>744558694
Because the games were good, all your friends were on Xbox Live, and they fixed it for free.

>>744558694
Blame Taiwanese underfill

>>744581034
>I wouldn't say one random forum post's personal anecdote is definitive evidence
It's more that I can point to it as an example of public perception being it running poorly. I'm not being serious about harping on this, it's just a quick example.

>I don't know where you got 16 games
I didn't do a proper count of it all so I just eyeballed it.
>This is a pretty small and random selection of games out of the entire PS3 and 360 library.
That's the point. It's just games from all over the place rather than notable ones to not really cherrypick anything. I just picked that link at random too since it offered decent comparisons.
>But even in your own article it is stated how most of these are basically identical in performance.
I know, my point is simply more that the PS3 versions were downgrades in various ways.

>I'm not sure why you're so insistent on this other than wanting to get the last word in.
If you consider what I mentioned negligible then I'm not going to argue against that point, it's more to show you that in even random slapped together lists like this the PS3 versions still came up with downsides because of it. You can argue they're negligible, you can argue they're not impactful, but regardless of this they are downgrades to the 360 versions. The Xbone itself was panned because it consistently ran games at 720-900p instead of the PS4's 1080p it's only fair to mention this as well because it matters even if 900p isn't that insanely bad from 1080p either.

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>>744558694
Because 360 was the only legit gaming system of the time so you just put up with it. I mean just look at the competition:

>PS3
Worst multiplats, multiplayer was also a subpar experience.

>Wii
Gimmick console for grandmas and toddlers. Virtually no third party support.

>PC
Effectively a dead ecosystem with hackers running rampant and low quality ports.

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>>744581437
>I didn't do a proper count of it all so I just eyeballed it.
You didn't check it before using it as an argument?
>I know, my point is simply more that the PS3 versions were downgrades in various ways.
But the article says there basically isn't any difference between both versions of those games

>regardless of this they are downgrades to the 360 versions
I don't see how they're downgrades when they basically run the same. Or there are tradeoffs, in your own article one of the games on PS3 is mentioned to have slightly lesser resolution but also less screen tearing for example

We've moved pretty far from the original goalpost

>>744560974
Rumble Roses XX

>>744582629
>You didn't check it before using it as an argument?
I skimmed it but you're right, lazy of me.
>I don't see how they're downgrades when they basically run the same.
Because running the same doesn't mean they're equal. Simple example is Assassin's Creed Unity. Xbone version was 900p, PS4 version was 1080p. They ran with the same framerates more or less especially when they capped it after the major patch, visually looked more or less the same, but the Xbone version was always considered the worse version because of the resolution loss because it is. Even if it's somewhat negligible to people that's an example of a downgrade because they want the most out of what they're playing.

Again, I think we're getting too deep in the weeds here. You're right that it's ultimately negligible, but regardless if it's negligible or not there's still some aspect of it that tends to have a downside on the PS3 version even if, again, it's negligible.

>>744558823
>just cause it to overheat again, maybe the solder will settle just right
Is the the soilennial's equivalent of striking funny poses with the TV antenna in hopes of fixing static? It never works and it only makes things worse

>>744558694
xcuck faggots will eat shit no matter what. they proved it by paying for online and starting all the fucked up shit that ruined gaming today.

>>744558694
>how didn't this immediately kill the xbox brand?
lots of marketing and some shilling from fanboys trying to protect the brand. They got to kill xbox in other ways (disastrous online-only attempt they backtracked on).

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>got the arcade version in 2008
>old girl is still kickin with no real problems
>only had to open it up once to clean the drive
>download the discs so it won't stress it too much
>contoller is wearing out but still works
Her, my ps2 and gamecube all still work meanwhile everything coming out nowadays is a piece of shit

>>744558694
Because they spent billions replacing the fucked Xboxes without fucking around.

>>744568382
>Stupid gimmick no one asked for
What if you are the idiot? Have you ever thought about what the world would look like if you were right vs. what it does now?

>>744560170
RROD is a design flaw. The failure rate is 100%.
Xbox did a whole documentary series on their own history a while back that goes into more detail about it. The solder in the GPU cracks under constant heating and cooling cycles, the only thing you can do to prevent it on an affected model is to not play your Xbox 360.

>>744577657
One big reasons is the brand not being about pre-built PCs.
It's like asking how Mercedes can survive selling an overpriced keychain.

>>744558694
the games made up for it

>>744558694
I had three 360s which had 3RLoD.
Microsoft replaced all them until they had fixed that on the 4th and, as a gift of goodwill, they gave me Gears of War 1.

It make me like the brand, until Don Mattrick try with all his power to destroy it in 2013.

>>744558694
I knew a guy who had 6 of them brick in 3 years, not a single one of my fellow Gamers didn't get the rrod eventually. People stopped caring because Microsoft eventually fixed the problems and went back to scamming us in other ways

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>>744568719
>shouting nigger in COD lobby is muh freedom of speech!

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>>744559668
>>744561357
You can still find working OG fat PS3s in the wild to this day yet most xbox 360s from the same time period died within a year of two or launch. Not saying the PS3 had NO problems, but they certainly weren't as prevelent as those on the 360.

>>744570332
at that point just get a PC

>>744570814
>>744571041
The AV cable error code was 4 red rings. The one many people got was 3 red rings which just meant "general hardware failure", aka, the system is so fucked that it can't even tell you what's wrong.

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Reminder that during the 360s development, MS pulled engineers away from the 360 team to work on the fucking zune. Yes, the zune is partly to blame for the early 360s terrible reliability.

>>744590728
Which generally (but but not always), was due some component melting due low quality parts/heatsink+ fucked up airflow, the reason people did >>744558823 was to deliberately overheat the melted shit again in hope it would recool into the proper or at least a shape that worked again but wasn't i guaranteed success or a permanent fix.

Something like that im pulling from memory here, but IIRC that (Overheating causing melted parts) was the most common diagnosed cause of the "3 Part" RRODs.

>>744586938
By 2008 they already fixed the RROD.

>>744590915
I had one, it sucked people would sniffle at the idea of owning one. Though I liked it better than the bullshit that was apple software for the ipod.

Xbox Live was just that good. Including the headset made XBL so much more fun than PSN there'd be people chatting in every game and making friends joining clans etc. PSN just didn't have that sauce because they didn't include a headset. 360 era was the peak of gaming

>>744570332
PS3 price on launch: $499
PS4 price on launch: $399
PS5 price on launch: $399
PS6 price on launch: $1000+
Did inflation just take a break for 2 decades?

>>744566075
The Ford Pinto equation

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>>744591210
Yeah i know

>>744567389
We used to hear about the "great firewall of china" like it was a bad thing. The chinese, brazilians and indians all need to be locked inside their own walls.

>>744585783
If PS2 online wasnt complete trash while the $50 a year "premium" Xbox experience wasnt they wouldn't have gotten away with it.

There is a reason we have a unified account for all games on the console and every server for each game isnt the publishers responsibility to maintain. As much as Resident Evil Outbreak slapped.

>>744560427
PS3 didn't start outselling the 360 until 2010, years after the RROD was fixed. what killed the 360's and later Xbox as a whole's momentum was the forced Kinect/online integration which began in 2010 and reached a zenith with the launch of the Xbone. Gamers saw that Xbox was going full casual "home entertainment device" and jumped ship to PlayStation. that whole bullshit about no offline or used games on the Xbone was the final nail.

>>744566752
Shame reflections are lost technology now.

>>744566752
the PS3 generally had a better CPU and GPY than the 360, it was just significantly more difficult to program for because it was all custom proprietary stuff rather than the off-the-shelf PC hardware used in the 360. most devs just said "fuck it" and throttled games on the PS3 just to get them out the door. it's why with the PS4 they abandoned using their own custom processors and started using the same hardware Xbox did.

>>744586938
>hardware really used to last in the good old days
>when consoles had a 50+% failure rate
based anecdote chad

>>744562726
>Custom music so you can copy your CDs to the hard drive/have MP3s on a USB stick and play your own music in game
People forgot about this very quickly and don't talk about it enough, but it was fucking great especially on games like Burnout

>>744558694
What were you going to do? Buy a PS3?

>>744558694
360 sucked even without the red ring issue(all I had to do was open it and fix the heatsink)
the og xbox was way more fun
and ps3 sucked compared to ps2 as well
it was a glorified blueray player for rentals b4 netflix
console gaming died with sixth gen