Be honest.
OP here, forgot to add this: My father beat me as a child
>>744560373Darktide-better more engaging combat loop=better gameplayDarktide is the better game.
Sweden's finest contribution to the world. I hate these retarded Swedoids but I do love these games.
>>744560437I'm also trans BTW, dont know if that matters or not.
>>744560629Yep just as I thought. Darktide is the better game thanks for your contribution.
>>744560373Games would be infinitely better were they not steered by retarded swedes
>>744560629>swedens finest contrib to the worldthat's not Starbreeze.
Tide games, best pve games ever made.Gameplay loop is pure Crack cocaine and near perfection games left to rot by incompetent Swedes.Just take a firing squad at the whole management and shareholders and hand the ip off to someone worthy at this point.
>>744560373Fartshart is horrible and you should dropkick them out of the industry.
>>744560534Current VT 2 > Darktide > VT 1 > Launch VT 2
Is this the thread?
>>744560373Space Marines 2 WAY better.
>>744564382it's not, the load times hold it back
>>744560373VT1/2 plays well solo with bots right?Might pick them up. WH3 is giving me a massive Fantasy kick
>>744560373Both are shit conpared to L4D2>L4D2>VT2>DT
>>744564691Oh go to bed grandpa
>>744564709RPG progression is shit. SHIT.
>>744564709>RPG progression and lootboxes are good actually
>>744560373Toughness as a preemptive breathing room for melee is such an exponentially better system than temp health that Darktide plays better than Vermintide solely due to that alone.Vermintide, however, has the better literally everything else, and Darktide's map design both mechanically AND visually is legitimately one of the worst in all of the coop genre.If it weren't for toughness completely eliminating silent clanrats backstabbing you for 80% of your health I'd never touch Darktide.
>>744560373I wish fatshite weren't totally fucking retards. Darktide feels so good to play and they refuse to make any new goddamn maps. Mortis trials is """"fine"""" but expeditions fucking suck holy shit PLEASE just make new maps
>>744564382SM2 is not even better than the first game, let alone VT2 and Darktide
>>744560373One of the worst wastes of money and time in my life.
>Skitarii update>galvanic rifle>It's a left hand charging M1Garand with greebles>Even has the PINGI love it, Garand action is best action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poLyHMH6CT4
>>744560373Vermintide 1 & 2 were sex, all of it. Darktide's supporting systems is seggs, but the combat is Sex 2.0.
>>744560373normal/harrd mode too easy, higher diff is too pants on head retarded with trash mob enemies hitting through each other for half your hp and standing in each other while you autistically spam dodgedon't know about Darktide, but it looks like shit with melee weapon focus and just yet another hordeshit while we could've gotten a proper 40k shooting game, because both Streum On games were dogshit in terms of gameplay
>>744567267If you want to go ranged in Darktide you can, Veteran, Ogryn, and Skitarii have parts of their skill tree dedicated to doing so, and there are several guns suited to mowing down hordes, like the recon lasgun and the twin linked heavy stubber.
>>744560629>more hours in the vastly inferior game
>>744567267If you want shooting Hive Scum, Skitarii and Gunlugger ogryn have good ammo economy, Psyker staves have infinite use. Vet has the ammo aura, but its not enough to hose hordes (until he gets LMG/Melta). Game is balanced around normal auric, if you go higher you need dedicated roles: Frontliner, hordemulcer, bosskiller, antispecialist/yellow toughness/smokevet/flex. If you go soloqueue you will unfortunatley have to prepare to handle bit of everything yourself.
>>744560373Warhammer containing product for autistic retards (me)Fatalist arbites is literally meAlso I want a rat game 3 (which indludes plot from 1 and 2 and new story missions) because 1 is dead and 2 is half-dead
>>744567751Isnt the End Times over and AoS begun? Did the Five even survive?
>>744567785>Did the Five even surviveNo, they are glup shitto level everymenTide 1 was made after james wokeslop killed old FB setting in favour of strong independent afroasiatic sigmar marine women fighting tacky versions of old "bad guy" factions either in swamps or in such a landmark as "poopa supreme"
levelling the hive scum sucksyour stimms feel really gimped at early on.
Vermintides were pure kino.
>>744567997I keep forgetting I even have stimms.
>>744567997Focus on one branch early on, whichever one complements your preferred fighting style most.
>4 years later>game still crashes when you quitFuck swedes
>>744568272my favorite part is how there's two fucking crash pop-ups you have to close before you can launch the game again and then load through THREE FUCKING LAUNCH MENUS before you can search for a game to join
>>744567785AoS doesn't begin after End Times, there's like 3 other historical eras between them
I still hate this stupid screen.Why is creating a new character under the list of your characters instead of somewhere else? Why does starting a game need you to swing your mouse all the way to the bottom right? You'd think that they let you pick through your list then just move down to start the game right? But hoho fuck you, you gotta move your mouse because fuck user experience and ui design
>>744560373Oh I'll be honest, where's Vermintide 3? It's been 8 years since V2 came out.
>>744569129Probably in development.Maybe a couple content updates later (didn't play the new elf temple maps) we'll get a plot hook
>>744569129Probably after Darktide 2.>>744567267If you build you vet/ogryn/hive scrum right and don't play like a fucking retard you can spend 90+% of an Auric Maelstrom shootan.Or just play Psyker.
>>744560953>the ip off to someone worthy at this point.I'd agree with you if the rest of the industry weren't just as retarded and incompetent.
>living in Australia in a bit because of work arrangements>Darktide pubs is always some fucking chink running across the map triggering spawns and daemonhostsWhen will they nuke China?
>>744570164>Darktide 2What will they do?Up the stakes by sending obscene amounts of Death Guard and ditching rejects in favour of actual special forces?
>>744560373i played this with a couple friends when it was free for a weekend and its just l4d2?except now it has microtransactions and invasive anticheat and is reskinned for cringey warham aestheticsso yea when i heard they kept making more of these i really didnt care
>>744570260Darktide has shitty community.For instance there are a lot of people which don't want to get the cheevos for finding skulls and will kick you for exploring the map. Vermintide was way better in that regard.
>>744560629>Sweden's finest contribution to the world.not quite
>>744570316>What will they do?What did Vermintide 2 do lol?Three way hive war between GSC, Cult of Admonition/Mobian 6th and the Inquisition forces.>actual special forces?At this stage there's no difference between the veteran and a kasrkin other than the lack of hotshot lasguns.
>>744570365Is that why everyone's just fucking speed running levels and ignoring most mobs? That means I can only really play this with my friends during weekends?
>Ogryn is supposed to be this big melee monster when built for it>Only has one handed melee weapons unless you count the meme pickaxeAnd yeah yeah, they are so big that they can wield what are two handers to other people in one hand, but then logic follows that if they are that strong, they'd have even bigger weapons made specifically for them.
Undeserved amount of players. They mismanaged all their projects since war of the roses.
>>744570447The cadian voice has lines that suggest he's had kasrkin training, or has at least fought alongside them.
>>744570517Me ogrynme too dumb to use big metal stick too small for two hands so me only use one handother hand is for slapping or uppercut
>>744570316>What will they do?Genestealer Cults. I'm pretty sure there have been subtle hints of there being something entirely different from the chaos incursion deeper in the hive for a while now.Hell, could even be some other xenos due to one of the ambient announcement lines in the Mourningstar mentioning unidentified ships arriving at the outskirts of the system. (Or something along those lines iirc)
>>744570517>they'd have even bigger weapons made specifically for them.They really don't.I'm not particularly aware of any ogryn models with a two-handed melee weapon.
>>744570629It being a hive world means they can just put mostly anything they want. Except Tau and Eldar. Fuck those faggots
>>744570654That's pretty dumb from the Imperium then, as an Ogryn could swing around a lump of steel the size of a small car.
>>744570654logically there could be ogryns with really massive hammers.
>>744570706Tau would have no reason to be present, but eldar corsairs could show up, they do mercenary work for other races in exchange for interesting trophies. One of the parrty members in Dark Heresy is a corsair wayseeker.
>>744560534I agree>>744564382No way man, SM2 its just okay at the best of times
>>744564382Space Marine 2 is a much more polished product, but it has nowhere near the mechanical depth of the Tide games.
>>744571048It's not that polished, the balance has been all over the place.
>Love Arbites as a class>One of, if not the shittiest class>Hate Hive Scum>Extremely strong and fun to playI fucking hate swedes
>>744572690What's wrong with Arbites? It puts out decent damage and is basically unkillable if you're even halfway competent.
>>744567045The PING is nice, but it suffers from the same problem as the Hellebore Lasgun in that IT IS A MARKSMAN RIFLE WITH NO FUCKING OPTICS SERIOUSLY FATSHARK WHAT THE FUCK
>>744572690>have incorrect taste>get dabbed on by swedeGODS
>>744572774The damage is a bit anemic, and the dog fails to scale well into the higher difficulties. There is almost never a reason to take an arbites over any other class, except for maybe Vet who is in an even worse place
Vermintide > Darktide
>>744572864It's meant to be used with advanced combat doctrine I think, you know, the aimbot ability.
I have never played any of the games mainly because of pic related being an aspect of both darktide and vermintide 2.
>>744571856Polished as in presentation and general functionality. Balance is a separate issue.
>>744564382darktide shits all over space marine its not even funny
>>744572690What are you on about? Arbites is the one class that can just shit on any specialist at any range because the Executioner shotgun has rifle accuracy at range and can shred armored targets with the special round.
I do t understand why fps games can't add decent melee weapons. These dudes know you only need a light combo, heavy combo and block+push. Simple.
Hope the next character is Aeldari
>>744575091Obese orcas have already said that they won't add xenos or imperial forces with non-standard skeletonsThe next class will probably be an assasin and then they will probably make a sequel.
>>744575245>AssassinMust be a Death Cult assassin, because ain't no fucking way Atoma is important enough to dispatch a temple assasin to.
>>744575486Yeah. Considering that 1 eversor would probably be enough to kill half of the heretic command we'll have a melee focused gimp class.They are pretty much doing dark heresy classes with minor differences (infodude got repllaced with an ogryn and tech-adept is skitarius for balancing and gameplay reasons)
>>744575245>>744575486Assassin that's gay, it would just be like Hive Scum but with edgy voice lines
>>744575639If anything, it's an edgier zealot.I think some threads that zealot has are actually from the death cults so there's another redundant thing.
>>744560373Hive Scum made me uninstall and I've never looked back. It was bad enough being rejects sent on suicide missions; seeing woke drug addicts alongside our 'heroes' was a step too far.I don't care if they were in the RPG. It is retarded to think they'd be used by inquisitorial kill teams and it is nonsensical to think that the Arbites wouldn't immediately execute them.I was annoyed enough over the lack of scoreboard to pander to the blue hair HR sluts that bloat their company; seeing them add Hive Scum was the final nail in the coffin. They deserve to fail.
>>744575639There's basically four kinds of Death Cults that each focus on a specific doctrine.Sanguinary cults produce the bread and butter slice-and-dice assassins that revel in bloodshed.Necrophagic cults are basically heretical in all but their action against the enemies of mankind. Interestingly, these cults pop up in places where corruption has taken root, which would make Atoma fertile soil for such a cult.Revivification cults are obsessed with immortality and other ways to trounce death, which could lend itself to some actual revival game mechanics.Lastly, the ecclesiarchal cults are basically already represented in the game by the zealot.
>>744575820>Hive scum in a hive city with connections to cartels that run things in said hive are out of placeThat's literally the number one kind of person that an inquisitor would be interested in having on their side because it means wider (or at the very least much more hassle free) access to the hive.
>>744573232You could just use the four base classes, there's enough variation in the skill trees that you can switch it up to keep them from getting boring. Plus rock.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxxa1wwwDx4
>>744575987They could just include in the base game instead of being like every other fucking recent 40k game that's full to the brim with DLCs.I'm sick of DLCs. I'm sick of season passes and needing to wait at least two years after the release of a game so that I can get the full experience.
>>744575827Hate it
>>744575987>defending Fatcuck's monetization model
>>744576295Agreed they really fucked up with V2.
>>744560437gohan????
Helbore Lasgun is pretty awful in a game where dealing with swarms outweighs dealing with long range targets, right?
>>744569129Enjoy Sigmarballstide, you know it to be true
>>744560373eh theyre alright
>>744576891AoStide where the enemy faction was Nighthaunt would slap, and you know it.
>>744564791So doing the same stuff over and over and over with no real change is the way to go?You belong in a psych ward silly unc
>>744569028This is the most whiny little faggot complaint i've ever seen holy shitThis must be on purpose, this must be bait i can't imagine being this much of a pedantic little cunt
>>744560629>Swedes make good games>But are lazy as fuckwhy can't they be more like finns who make good games and aren't a lazy bunch of faggots
>>744560373Vermintide 2 > Darktide > Vermintide 1
>>744564629Not really, bots have gotten worse over time as more updates break their AI and the bot AI priority improvement mods designed for solo play have had their authorizations revoked so you can't use them while grinding progression.If you try solo with bots, expect to spend a lot of time in a "need saving" state as they stand around not helping or running in circles trying to figure out how stairs work until the run is lost.
>>744577026Wrath of The Everchosen arc was the coolest shit GW made, so of course you'll NEVER see any adaptation of it
>>744572774Arbeetus is the worst Havoc class because of all the stagger buffs enemies get making his specialty irrelevant, and doesn't really offer much to the team besides Nonceio Aquila, which is a worse cuckbubble.Anything lower than Havoc though, you'd have to be braindead to go down with him.
>>744577026Smegmar stuff is axiomatically cringe shit with no stakes since all important characters just respawn>boo hoo they get dementia after 1000 revives or soI still find average peasant Jimbob which got drafted into a pike square that gets shelled with WW1 guns infused with demons to be more deserving of compassion that sigmarinesFactions in smegmar feel too gamey. Kinda like in HoMM.
>>744560373Vermintide 2 is just a better game. the only thing Darktide has going for it is marginally better melee combat. Vermintide 2 is an adventure across the world of Warhammer that explores castles, hamlets, countrysides, flaming villages, cathedrals, fortresses, mines, that crosses rivers and climbs snowy mountain peaks. you battle two different factions of foes, you get a chest or two full of loot at the end of your missions, everything about it except the melee gameplay blows Darktide outta the water. i have been incredibly disappointed by FatShark's latest effort.
>>744577474>Kinda like in HoMM.We share this planet with retards who use "its like Heroes of Might and Magic" as an isnult
>>744564382Space Marine 2 is a way better 40k game than Darktide, but i do not love all the Arkham Asylum melee combat QTEs.
>>744577474Stormcast aren't supposed to be relatable. They are the order version of the Warriors of Chaos, a god's tool to avoid making the same mistake as he did the first time around.It's the Free Peoples that you can tell grassroot level stories in the setting with.
>>744577692Sorry, forgot to add a spoiler6 and 7
>>744577761Sure bro, you defineitly did
>>744577653FatShark's masterful gambit: make a game about exploring a sprawling fantasy world and then follow it up with a game where you're exploring dark ass mazes like a rat in a cage. What could go wrong?
>>744577789Designated retard board on designated retard site, bro
>>744564814>Darktide suddenly has lootboxesWhat universe did you fly in from because Darktide doesn't have loot boxes
>>744577653VT also had oodles of soul. Well-written and well-acted characters, plus WHFB > 40K any day of the week.
>>744577653There's also the fact that the Ubersreik 4 (or 5, doesn't matter) have so much personality, charm and depth that the random mooks you play as in Darktide just can't compareAnd broadly speaking, Fantasy is just the better setting and frankly deserves more games
>>744577886i don't even necessarily think 40k was a style-less setting to make a new Tide game in. Space Marine 2 proved to me that 40k also has beautiful, desolate environments and landscapes and architecture to explore. and that there are more than enough enemy factions to throw at the player. FatShark just chose such a small, bland corner of the setting to base Darktide on. and they haven't spent the several years since the game came out doing much to expand the scope of their game. shit is like making an Elder Scrolls that's JUST about Nords and Giants fighting Draugr in dark ass nordic ruins instead of utilizing the rest of the world.
>>744560373VT2 is currently in a completely fine state, while Darktide is still going through a constant fucking rollercoaster of buffs and nerfs. It’s been years, and every class still has at least 50% of its arsenal either a redundant if functional downgrade, or practically worthless to take.
>>744578087i like Rogue Trader, but goddamn do i wish Owlcat had made a WHF CRPG instead. i bet that would have been even better.
>>744578118It only took them several years to create a snow environment
>>744578087>askhually it's better than that 5 classes get 1 personality instead of 1 class getting 3 personalitiescope all you no one is buying it
>>744578147It'd be a Day 1 for me.>you will never defend the Empire from Chaos and avert the End Times, party with Karl Franz and romance your cute Landsknecht companionsigh
>>744578118The thing is, what Darktide is is probably the easiest to justify in terms of the lore. Regular people (even those who are in service of the astra militarum) in 40k are much less free to operate on their own than people in WHFB are, so a single overarching mission that a single inquisitorial retinue is undertaking in a single location is most likely the most you can wish for without having the characters be excessively influential and/or powerful on their own.
>>744577653>the only thinghow about the weapons,character customization,graphics,music and talent trees
>>744578330>Avert the end timesWhat is this orderfag cope?
>>744578414Get outta here, GWYou need to make busy blowing up AoS
>>744564691>L4D2C'mon man that games pure ass
>>744577870Yeh we can tell by your retarded take and then retarded attempt to fit back in after you got called out
>>744578473Keep coping, Sigmarite
>>744578414Not everyone likes daddy issues, chaosfren
>>744578414Tze Kun Chin still works for GW, right? They should let him draw more in this style
>>744570365Use the party finder :^)
>>744570517Pickaxe is their best weapon.
Where's Vermintide 3?
Slaanesh update when?
>>744577879Brunt's shop is itself a lootbox, especially for curios
>>744570654let me guess, the block of concrete with a pole stabbed into it that crushers use is considered inventive blasphemy by the mecuckicus
>>744577653>the only thing Darktide has going for it is marginally better melee combatNot while carapace still exists, all my niggas hate carapace
>>744584551Just press F, that'll probably solve the problem.
>>744560373literally started playing yesterday, level 9, my impressions so far:>uprising difficulty: easy>malice difficulty: impossible, wtf, can't imagine the other 3>choose a psyker, the "G" key ability is fucking dogshit and useless>the pace is at the same time too fast and too slow, don't know how to explain it
How can the game be out of years and the storyline still not finished?
>>744584705the earlier difficulties are unironically harder than the later ones because of four factors>you have less mobs to farm toughness off of>newfag teammates>probably using limp-statted weapons with limp blessings>oldfag teammates grinding a class who will leave you behind to go do everything on their own
>>744584705It gets way easier once you have a build going and proper itemizationEach new classes is labelled as weak by a loud portion of the community because its actually players going through leveling again without their crutches. Don't remember if it was the case for Lex boy because I wasn't playing atm.
>>744584948>oldfag teammates grinding a class who will leave you behind to go do everything on their ownI usually show secret rooms on the maps I know they exist since newfag randoms actually want to explore maps
>>744578147Owlcat would fuck up a WFRP-based CRPG since they give protags a lot of Social power early on in those games like Rogue Trader, WotR and Kingmaker,a PC Social Class is kinda integral to WFRP
>>744584808that's every live service game
>>744585378It would just be the mark of chaos game but with dialogue options
>>744560373>>744564382It's Vermintide 2 > Space Marine 2 > DarktideDarktide is riddled with way too many utterly retarded design decisions to have any chance to recover until they make Darktide 2Entire premise of low power rejects in fucking l4d clone, trying to balance low tier weapons like autoguns to be equal with inherently superior bolters or power swords, no iconic for 40k sword and gun combo, worthless character creation, terrible map design and variety, terrible enemy variety, no bosses, terribly designed monsters, braindead melee combat, so fucked up loot, grind, equipment and crafting systems that it took them YEARS and multiple reworks to even get to acceptable point and so on and on make it honestly irredeemable and so game will never measure up to VT2 or SM2. They need to start again.At the very least, for now, they need to do something about the power creep. It turned whatever combat there was at release into actual slop and that dumb Skill Tree update is to blame mostly. Already terrible enemy variety now doesn't exists at all, everything dies in a single shot or hit anyway. You cannot duel any enemies since they are instantly staggered and dead. Entire combat is just spamming left click and an occasional dodge. It's utterly brainded coming from VT2 and SM2. Especially damning for bosses, comparing that generated Traitor Guard Captain to Trygon is fucking laughable.Everything player related must be nerfed into the ground and enemies massively buffed at least until they make DT2 in non retarded way
>>744585153Arbites and Ogryn are pretty much unkillable on low difficulties, in fact the Arbites dog itself will likely outDPS the average Malicelet
>>744584348Ogryn clubs are various bits of junk cobbled together by the ship's Ogryn quartermaster, and the HIV cum passes sharpened railway spikes and scrap metal to Hadron for the Omnissiah's blessing
>>744586207zogging git take
>>744586185Then that's not a CRPG.
>>744582712Hope you're ready for it to be in Age of Smegmar
>>744586409its an improvement
>>744560373darktide doesn't have any rare item dropscan't find a reason to play when the only new stuff you get is ingame achievements and classes (would absolutely come back to play new maps)i just drift to other games
>>744586447How much were Skaven changed in Smegmar? Do they have ratmarines?
>>744586403
>>744588454All I know about them is that Thanquol survived, and one of his first acts of genius was trying to break into the plane of water by drilling into it from below
>>744560373darktide is dogshit and a massive disappointmentonly paypiggies and 40kids care about itvermintide 2 is still the best melee coop game ever made
I hate Darktide because 40kfags ruined /coopg/. Simple as.
>>744590873You can still post your green circles and your "team unga, me bunga" greentexts.
>>744576295>>744576528Its actually tencent, the cosmetic cash shop was added after they bought enough stake in the company to hold board seats and then outright owned fatshark by the time darktide was deep in development. Sure the swedes are lazy and take 5 month holidays twice a year but the chinks are the cause of the microtransaction problem.
>>744560373Vermintide 2 is consistently the better game in almost every aspect.Most Darktide players have never played it, so they give it for granted that the developers (who despise 40k), should abandon the actual golden geese and pet project of the entire studio in favor of a dogshit cashgrab made to appease the chink shareholders.I was so excited for the closed beta of Darktide, only to be horrified at how dogshit the entire thing was, and still is.It's okay to like Darktide more than Vermintide, 40keks have one mediocre game in a sea of dogshit ones, so they don't know any better.But Vermintide 2 is still considerably better, and this is an objective truth.
>>744590971that pic never fails to make me unreasonably angry40k fags are cattle who deserve to be milked dry by gwfucking animals
>>744590684>dude what if we made an entire game based off the bow archer guy we added in the update that almost killed our studio?>what if we added so many bow-archers the game became a cover-based shooter?>also make it nothing but metal corridors and backtracks>also only put 5 maps in the end-game mode that people will spend the most time in>also make everyone ugly, ESPECIALLY the women who absolutely CANNOT be above a 4/10 for LORE reasons (which we will ignore for every other decision)>and then tell people no charges for extra classes, then delete the tweet about it and lie on the steam forums for years that it never happened>lets also change the hitboxes on attacks from enemies we copy/pasted from vermintide>also the one new boss we have is the most annoying thing ever the entire playerbase wants removed (slug)>lets also butcher development so we need to cut 50% of the planned content and complete botch our release harder than any game before!
>>744591106You do not own models and have never played a game of Warhammer in your life
>>744590971well said, brother.
>>744591321>that almost killed our studio?You could actually argue that it did because they sold out to tencent not long after that flop.
>>744591397>boomers think paying another man hundreds of dollars for plastic dolls they paint themselves is a flexDisgusting goycattle. Your generation was a mistake.
>>744590314>plane of waterWater isn't a domain of magic in Warhammer
>>744591321I have no idea what the fuck they were thinking with the beast of nurgle.The philosophy for every other boss is that a sufficiently competent player can solo them in melee, and beast just shits all over it.I could maybe overlook that if it was an otherwise interesting boss, but it just isn’t. It’s trivially easy in 99% of cases, and only becomes a challenge if a player it’s chasing is mentally retarded or the situation is fucked anyway.
>>744560373>darktide>no solo play or bots 4 years after release>routinely defended by pavlovian dunning-kruger subhumans with the "it's a coop game" argument>this is because the game is actually putrid dogshit with no story, no campaign, no overarching narrative, no relevant boss besides the same ones with randomly generated names>releasing absolutely dogshit new gamemodes that die in a week instead of making new maps>extremely easy to play, extremely easy to master, classes are immensely overpowered and the game's definition of "challenge" is spamming 30 crushers or super armored enemies>super competitive community of passive-aggressive retards, consistently egging each other over trivial shit because "buddy this is auric maelstrom, we don't do that here please keep up or we'll have to kick you. :)">seasonal events are just checklists for the ever needed skinner box currencies or a fucking weapon trinket>slop>vermintide>completely playable from start to finish solo with competent bots>an actual campaign with a purpose, missions that are just "hit the thing until it breaks" or "have the ogryn carry the objective">a multitude of bosses with their own mechanics, strategies, and maps>released twice the maps darktide has gotten in the same timespan>evergreen gameplay, easier to understand but immensely hard to master, no bullshit like veteran stacks spamming gold shouts, individual skill matters the most and you can carry games by yourself>2 obscenely dogshit gamemodes played exclusively by cheaters, and one godtier roguelike experience with its own 16 fucking unique maps>people play harder difficulties to have a challenge, not to brag about modded scoreboards or imaginary "elo" ranks>extremely friendly community, most people are ok with carrying shitters as long as they're not noxiouis>seasonal events are actually new maps and interesting game-wide modifiers that reward a truckload of free cosmetics>soulThe choice is obvious.Yes, both have mtx.
>>744591660>>super competitive community of passive-aggressive retards, consistently egging each other over trivial shit because "buddy this is auric maelstrom, we don't do that here please keep up or we'll have to kick you. :)"Insane to me this happens. Anything other than h40 is a joke. Same shit happened when vermintide was popular though, we called them "legend players".
>>744591321Fatshark is one of the worst developers currently on the market, yes.The difference is that they actually wanted to make Vermintide 1 and 2, they love fantasy and they used to always talk about WHFB minis on devstreams.Darktide is a product, not a passion project.They don't like 40k, they don't like the Darktide playerbase, and they don't like that GW forced them to make a 40k game.It's that simple.The 6 fucking developers still working on VT2 content in a basement are worth way more than the 200 people they have in that Darktide office.
>>744590971I love Vermintide, but Darktide is just more interesting. The skill tree and itemization are simply much better and more interesting, I literally haven't touched my builds in VT2 since I unlocked them the first time.
>>744591886Darktide releasing actually improved Vermintide's playerbase, since all the sweat and elfmains moved to Darkshite to play Veteran or Knigger zealots.Nowadays it's mostly 5k hours veteran of the Vermintide franchise. Chill, collected, and ever skillful.
>>744591993yeah man i love opening spreadsheets too! so interesting!
>>744592046Yeah
Darktide is incredibly shit, and I will never stop laughing at it being such an obvious afterthought for FatShark compared to their precious baby VT2.
>>744591993>The skill tree and itemization are simply much better and more interestingah yes, the 5% more fart power when pissing and shitting.the classic midwit take.>itemization>game was literally dubbed shopclick because of the horrible itemization>it took them 3 years to fix itah yes, what a great well designed feature.>I literally haven't touched my builds in VT2 since I unlocked them the first timebecause you dont have to.stop kidding yourself, everyone in aurics and h40 runs shout veteran because it trivializes the entire game.there is no indepth gameplay in terms of builds, it's just "pick the keystone i like the most" and then use what everyone else is using.in vermintide the builds are super static, but that makes every weapon viable and makes actually having fun and playing good a priority.
>Filtered by Darktides almost linear skill treeLmao.
>>744591941>still malding over made up scenarioFatshark isn't GW subsidiary. GW couldn't force them to make anything. If GW forced them to make 40k game, it wouldn't be about random rejects. Making sci-fi version of their fantasy title to satisfy more people is a natural and logical thing to do, which is why it is so common
>>744591993Who the fuck are you trying to deceive with this absolute hogwash of a post?There is no build variety in Darktide at all, people are consistently running meta shit and nothing has changed in years.While it may seem deeper than Vermintide's, moving breakpoints from weapons to a talent tree doesn't really change anything in the long run.You don't change stuff in Vermintide because there is no reason to, talents are more influential than "5% more toughness regen when in coherency with your teammates".You haven't really played Vermintide, and it's pretty obvious.
>Filtered by giant man-sized ratsLmao.
>>744591993It's been ages since I last played a proper VT2 campaign, but yeah the builds are locked in once you find your thing. Except I play Chaos Wastes every week to gamble a new build. Shit's fun. How's the Darktide equivalent? Haven't had the chance to try it.
>>744592569In mortis, you have 12 waves of enemies in a static arena. You get boons after the waves. That's basically it. Expeditions in Darktide are just farting around a big dusty map looking for copypasted hacking spots to collect tech junk. Neither really scratch the chaos wastes itch, but mortis is good for cheevos and fucking around woth infinite ammo or other shit. Expeditions were a mistake.
>>744592793>In mortis, you have 12 waves of enemies in a static arena. You get boons after the waves.This is just weaves. They really re-made weaves lmao
>>744591886H40 is ass because the modifiers are generally just unfun dogshit.Anyone jerking themselves over being a Havoc 40 gamergod is a pathetic nigger.
>>744592230>>744592458Even if you ignore all the blue nodes (many of which are quite significant and comparable to VT2 talents), you still have three active abilities with different bonus effects, three grenades, and three keystones that significantly change the game. The base Kruber will simply be less versatile and interesting than the Veteran melee hybrid in Darktide.>>744592569There's Expeditions, which is just shitty open world with no talents or anything like that, and Mortis Trials which is essentially Weaves but with roguelike-style talents.
>>744592868>unfun dogshityeah anything other than h40 is too easy its not enjoyable>modifiers suckwe all know, we want h40 with map and modifier choice, no one wants to play blight, darkness, or tox gas
>>744592868>Anyone jerking themselves over being a Havoc 40 gamergod is a pathetic nigger.Sounds like someone tried havoc and got filtered hard. Skillissue?
>>744592968Instead of getting raped by a shitter crashing and rotten armor and blight I can just nerf myself with a shitty build and solo carry niggers in Maelstrom, which ends up being way more fun.After I got all the Havoc penances I never touched the game mode again.
>>744593069idk how you have fun in maelstrom even with non-meta shit, the enemy strength is a joke and number of spawns is equivalent to legend vermintide, its too easy, i fucking hate leveling characters for this exact reason
>>744593058It's unplayable with randoms, and I have no friends to play it with, I refuse to use an lfg discord or play the party finder lottery, and the modifiers are just gay.It would be good if these could be fixed. But fartshart will never fix them.
>l4d invented the horde shooter>l4d2 made it even better with more content>retard swedes took a look at the simple concept>needs more numbers and bullshit>adds classes, skill trees, cosmetics, etc.
>>744592405>GW couldn't force them to make anythinglol.lmao.rofl even.this is what darksissies actually believe.
>>744592230>want to play the dwarf>can't because someone else in the lobby plays the dwarfAlso fantasy sucks.
>>744593170I guess it helps that I play other games and "only" have 1000 hours in Darktide, Auric is the sweet spot and I can instantly queue up for a game or two when I have time to play. Havoc is too much of a time commitment just to get started.The friction just to start a match is 70% of the reason not to bother with it.
>>744593248sorry tranny, you play as characters with a personality instead of no name trannies like in darktide
>>744593180im really tired of the valve-glazing in this genre, they havent made a video game in decades, l4d2 is amazingly simple, the pve mode is absurdly easy, and the pvp mode is a joke that the community had to fix because survivors are too strong (and is now nothing but 3rd worlders so is unplayable)
>>744593238Yes. GW can prevent them from making something. They can't force them to make anything, let alone entire game, since GW does not own them, merely IPs Fatshark, out of their own will, wants to license from them
meh, put 100 hours in Vermintide 2, put 400 in Darktide.Darktide scratches the left 4 dead 2 itch I have but it has zero content. Also hate getting matched with sweats that try to solo the whole mission and get downed then ragequit.
>>744593305Actually untrue because I can't play the dwarf you stupid nigger
>>744593180l4d is inferior in every way to Fatshark games. All 3 of them are straight and objective upgrade
>>744560534the story sucks ass though, its just a big nothing burger
>>744592793Oh right, I forgot about Mortis. I think our group played it for a week or two. Having that small of a map/arena gimps the mode really. You pick a corner and don't move from there unless the objective demands it or you get buttblasted by enemies. Expeditions sound like a bad time but I'll need to give it a try some time.
>>744593376Unless they changed it, you can adjust your settings so that it won't ask you to swap off your character when choosing a mission.
>>744593375You get what you fucking deserve, 40kranny.
>>744593305Characters in Darktide have their own personalities too https://youtu.be/x2yx7gdPyB0?si=KJqhsZ3-5t_EdjdY
>>744593632>reddit joker meme
>>744593556I see. Maybe I'll check it out again.
>>744567997I'm currently leveling mine and it's completely fine. Don't even use the stimm that much
>>744577208What live service coop shooter have the Finns worked on?
Darktide is too monotonous. Vermintides feel like there's something at stake
Do not be alarmed, but I Like both vermin and dark tides.
>>744590684>only paypiggies and 40kids care about itAnd they outnumber fantasyfags 10 to 1. Enjoy Total Warhammer 3 being abandoned instantly when Total War 40k releases, fag boy.
>>744560534I liked Darktide better because the feedback on enemy hits was way cleaner imo.I could see and hear when I landed the final hit that killed the enemy, it was distinct.In Vermintide I usually wasted time on 1-2 extra swings
>>744564586I'll have to agree.Sometimes I boot up the game because I have half an hour to kill and already hit alt+f4 again before I'm even on the deck because the loading just takes fucking ages
>>744560373I like them both, great games.
>>744570412I really did not expect to see such a based AND redpilled post on /v/ of all places.
Gunlugger is so much fun.
I like both types of tide game but for different reasons.Vermintide has much more compelling characters and a setting that feels far more varied and interesting to explore (not dumping on 40k as a whole. But DT’s setting specifically gets quite monotonous).Darktide has deeper gameplay and has much more satisfying individual weapons to use. The joy of popping heads with a lasgun or tearing some poor cultist’s guts out with a chain sword is basically crack to me.Vermintide is fun because of who I’m playing AS, while Darktide is fun because of what I’m playing WITH.
>>744575827Hive Scum is literally one of the core playable character classes in Dark Heresy, the ttRPG for playing as inquisitorial acolytes that's one of the main sources of lore about how life in the Imperium looks like and how the Inquisition operates.You don't know shit about the setting
>>744575091It will be Death Cult Assassin or Sister of Battle
>>744575091The next class will be Felinids! >:3c
Darktide is better than Vermintide 2 because the gameplay is better and the characters are better. Yes playing as the Rejects is better because at least it's your character and not whatever dumb shit they wrote for Vermintide
>>744560373Both are shit
>>744595834I'm hoping for Sister of Battle
>>744560534You could not be more correct. Shame Fatshark is as bungling as they are.
>>744560373
>>744595834Death Cult Assassin won't happen for this same reason Crusader won't happen. Their cosmetics already exists for a Zealot. They were turned into a Zealot and are contained withing this class
>>744570412>Toyotas but somehow even more soulless
>>744593695literally nothing even comparable to the banter of the U5
>>744594442>Enjoy Total Warhammer 3 being abandoned instantly when Total War 40k releases, fag boy.>he doesnt know...Enjoy waiting for 10 years to have a playable game.Enjoy 500 dollars worth of DLCs for Every single TTW40K that will come out (most likely 4 this time around).You could've used DOW4 as an example, but instead you chose a massive tortanic in the making.
>>744594442>eat shit, millions of flies cant be wrong!
>>744592230>large skill trees upset him enough to make this imagei just know you have below room temp IQ
>>744596554Definitely, but honestly listening to the same characters dialogues over and over again gets boring. Darktide having multiple personalities for a single character really adds variety to it. Having different dynamics in the dialogues each time you play is more enjoyable than having the same ones over and over again.https://youtu.be/6jNQDKVnlbk?si=8xJj94HsIOHO1p_g
So why isnt there a WH40K real-time isometric shooter a la Alien Breed/Shadowgrounds?
>>744594442>And they outnumber fantasyfags 10 to 1That used to be true before TWW came out, but now it's somewhat even.Funny that both sides still hate each other, 40 years since the very first edition of 40k.
>>744596864you are not as smart as you think you are, if you think a large skill tree is meaningful in any way.
>>744596928Wouldn't that be Inquisitor Martyr?I guess that's more of a Diablo Clone
>>744596916NTA but dialogue variety was never an issue, poggers bridge is meant to be replayed often because it's a meme.New voicelines for the U5 are released every single update, and old ones from 8 years ago are cycled in and out depending on the map.I haven't heard Bardin say "those stairs go up" in 2 years, it's just the other U5 mocking him for saying that.The rejects have boring, bland, and trite voicelines with no soul nor personality, many of them just reference random 40k lore that they should not even be knowledgeable about.At least Saltzpyre and Sienna have relevant banter, the cadian veterans saying the same shit in every mission gets boring really fucking fast.Not having named characters with an actual personality hurt Darktide immensely.No one gives a shit about random goons spouting codex lore snippets.
>>744596997Darktide's isn't even huge. And aside from skitari they all go downwards. It's really not hard to pick the big brightly colored skills and the blue ones that lead to it.
How the fuck do I use the Mk1 and Mk2 Bully clubs? Ive used the IIIb so long I can only chain heavies.
>>744597216so you admit it's nothing and it's just bait for midwits who think they are immensely smart for clicking the same fucking passive nodes over and over again.
>>744570517Muh lore faggots>>744570654
>>744560373Vermintide 2 is better and has more content, Darktide is designed for unemployed zoomers with a never ending skinner box treadmill.
>>744596997>he can only think in extremesMore signs of low IQ. I don't think a large skill tree is NECESSARILY meaningful. But it can be; much moreso than a small one with similarly limited options. Nuance is clearly lost on an idiot like you, which is evident from your collage of "skill trees that made me feel stupid"
>>744597370CUM POTION, GIVE ME VIGOR
>>744597386limited but impactful options > 100 different passive nodes with "2% cock size" bullshit buffsyou are the faggot retard pushing for "meaningful" screen of worthless passive nodes over a beautifully crafted, balanced, and impactful tree where every node changes how you play the game.in other words, kill yourself darktranny.
>>744597167Nobody gives a shit about named characters dropping lore snippets, not having gay and lame named characters helps Darktide
Hear me out.They Are Billions style game but with a Warhammer 40K theme.
>>744597289I mean there are some unique nodes to look out for, like field improv, true grit, pickpocket, and you generally want to stick with a certain style of nodes for your build unless there's like a good CDR one you'll go out of your way for.
Why cant you just like let other people have fun however they want?Vermintide is slightly better purely because you can play solo with botsSomething fatshark promised for darktide 4 years agoBut still if people like one game over the other why are you guys mad about it
>>744597167My issue isn't with the variety of the dialogues themselves, but with the variety of the characters. A lot of the dialogues in VT2 are just variations on the same thing. I love these characters, but I'm just tired of them by now.Besides characters in Darktide have plenty of personality. Seer literally has the Emperor's shard talking to him lol
>>744597563you are copingcoping and seething>i dont want my game to be good!COPING AND SEEEETHING
>>744597683>muh emprahGUYS WE ARE GOING TO TERRA WITH THE LAST MISSION!!!!! WE ARE GOING TO THE GOLDEN THRONE!!!pitiful wretches.
>>744597167Most of DT`s dialogue is just someone making a statement, someone pushing back at it and then getting clapback. But very very rarely you get some genuine funny or hearfelt interactions. The Authoritarian being a troubled girl with the F Judge. Seer telling Cutthroat that Cadia wasnt his fault and that his Beloved wants him to know that. Bodyguard saying he cant remember his best mates name(on account of his frontal lobe been replaced with a bonehead implant that is slowly melting his head). Fanatic letting slip they might have incinerated thousands of innocents leading to their drinking and abrasive personality. Judge acting like a Holy man, but others note he only smiles when blood is shed. F Loose Canon taking the piss out of everyone, but then a Psyker say what empty soul they have and LC suddenly become defensive. There arent many, but it makes them shine a little more. Not that I hear them playing Maelstrom and Havoc before the next horde.
>>744597714The characters don't make Vermintide good, and Darktide is a better game.
>>744593508the story sucks, but no one plays tide games for the storyno one buys battlefield games strictly for the singleplayer missions
>>744597650Sorry, stoking tribalism was the only way to get the thread going. We are all secretly frens here.
>>744597470>limited but impactful options > 100 different passive nodes with "2% cock size" bullshit buffsAgain, you are being hyperbolic to an extreme to prove your nonexistent point. You are fabricating made up scenarios that don't exist to get mad at. Pretending as if all large skill trees are cluttered with pointless, trivial nodes that do nothing and only give the illusion of depth. That you're incapable of assessing things on the macro scale, again, points to your distressingly low IQ.
>bros don't want to ratclick anymore because Darktide gameplay is more intense read: adhd, even though we only played Vermintide for 100 hours at most and there's still a lot of shit to experience
>>744596776>>744596850How do I make webms? I want to make a compilation of Mutant Space Program launches, sponsored by Rock.
>>744597650See >>744590971Darktide players are forever butthurt at the weird idea that those 6-12 devs Vermintide 2 still has are the crème de la crème, and they think if they just suddenly dropped the game and move to Darktide they could actually make it good.Whenever they're not claiming the game is already good and better than Vermintide, of course.It doesn't help that those devs are churning significantly more content than the 200 devs from Darktide have done in 4 years, so they are forever butthurt and angsty.Vermintide players are both disappointed that Darktide is a soulless cashgrab, and annoyed that those skinnerbox addicts are constantly asking Fatshark to kill the game and turn the servers off.It's a never ending battle of autism, exacerbated by the fact that both games are basically the exact same game but painted in different colors.People that enjoy Fantasy play Vermintide, people that enjoy 40K play Darktide.It's not really that hard to understand.
>>744597789>>744597891coping retards you have literally never played vermintide 2 beyend the first 10 hours
>>744597959>arguing semantics>thinking big lingo words and incessantly referencing IQ makes you look smarteri accept your concession.
I find it funny how some random schizo psyker knows more than 90% of the important named characters in the 40k lore
I like both games. I don't care about warhammer or 40k at all outside of these games. I've been playing them since Vermintide 1. Darktide has better gameplay than VT but is exceptionally shit in a lot of other ways. VT2 has worse gameplay but is a significantly more fleshed out with content. I don't really know why this is apparently such a controversial take. Games are made by the same devs ffs, so I have no clue why people are so tribalistic. I guess it's just extreme hyperautismo warhammer neckbeard shit?
>>744598140NOOOOOOO DARKTIDE IS FUCKING BETTER THAN VERMINTIDE!!! PLEASE FATSHARK STOP RELEASING CONTENT FOR VERMINTIDE SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY WORK ON OUR GAME AND MAKE IT BETTER!!!!!
>>744598326>Darktide has better gameplay than VT but is exceptionally shit in a lot of other ways. VT2 has worse gameplay but is a significantly more fleshed out with content.They have the exact same gameplay.
>>744598265>no argument>thinks 3 syllable words is "big lingo words"Holy kek you really are low IQ.
>>744598326You sound like a punk. Bet youve given rimmies to other dudes
>>744598413you are brown so your opinion does not matter.
>>744598392Unless something has drastically changed in the last 6 months since I played DT, they absolutely do not
>>744598392I'd post a bottomless pit memejak in response if I had such shit on my disk. Enjoy your (You).
>>744598078The /wsg/ sticky has a link to "WebM for Retards"Its a pretty simple program, you put in your video file, trim to the part you want, set a file size (4MB for most boards, 6MB for /gif/ and /wsg/) disable audio for normal boards, enable audio for /gif/ and /wsg/It auto updates too, before I had to put in a code for VP9 (superior encoding) but now there's a tick box for itYou can do some extra stuff with it like adding text or multiple trim to show several parts of a video
>>744598392>They have the exact same gameplay.I wouldn't say they have EXACT same gameplaydarktide feels more fast paced, has toughness instead of thp, and more ranged options
>>744598448Cope and seethe
>>744598326Most people like both games, it's just a vocal minority. Darktide does suffer from the fact that it was released unfinished, but they're really moving in the right direction with the updates. I'd say that “Unlocked & Loaded” was the moment when the game reached release status.>>744598392The only thing they have in common is melee combat. Everything else is quite different.
>>744598539dilate brownoid tranny.
>Dsrktide has better melee combat that VT2Did I enter lala land? VT2's melee shits on Darktide. Darktides melee is extremely dumbed down in comparison becuase of the range focus.
>>744597770It was meI was spreading this misinformation by missinterpreting datamines
>>744598392Darktide is more mixed combat focused than Vermintide's melee focus. But if we're looking at the small picture, then sure melee is similar, but guns are way more powerful in Darktide.
>>744598568>still seethingIt's funny because I'm probably more rightwing than you, you're just flailing like a broken faggot
>>744598592>Darktide>ranged focusHave you tried to actually play the game at all or you just watched the trailer?
>>744598592>Darktides melee is extremely dumbed downHow exactly? I'm really curious. I thought the opposite, Darktide has way more interesting melee weapons and combos.
>>744598469>>744598485>>744598527>>744598556You hate me because I speak the truth.They have the exact same gameplay.>toughness instead of thpWhich do the same thing, and are infact the exact same thing.You just regen it when you are holding your teammates' cocks, instead of killing stuff.>The only thing they have in common is melee combat. Everything else is quite different.No, not really.Unless you mean sprinting and dodge sliding, those were added so people wouldn't immediately realize that most maps are long hallways while sharing the same 10 assets.>>744598630Both Darktide and Vermintide have the exact same gunplay, it's just hard to realize at first because assault rifles are obviously better than black powder weapons.Huntsman, doomguy bardin, duckfoot BH, and fucking OE nigger, are as good if not better than anything Darktide has.Debate me further, you will lose.
>>744560893is this a jokehow can you say that with a straight face after payday 3
>>744598695dial 8 brownieyour skin is the color of my poop
>>744598592DT melee has better interaction with enemiesmore interesting attack patternsevery weapon has an additional special attack buttonevery weapon has pushattackThose features are mostly irrelevant due to powercreep and every enemy dying instantly or getting staggered all the time
>>744598756>You just regen it when you are holding your teammates' cocks, instead of killing stuff.??????????
>>744591106I like the guard a bit less since they troonified CreedYes, I know it's his daughter but for all intents and purposes it's the same dude
>0 new Psyker staves>0 new ogryn weaponsIt's so over
>>744598756Honestly it sounds like you've never played either game. I don't even know what to say.
the amount of blatant misinformation and "gotcha" arguments in this thread are staggering and repulsive
>>744560373Actually wnet back and played the first game recently and it was decent but I really felt how old and simple it was, and the lack of enemy variety was very obvious. Good game but people that pretend its the best are clearly not being remotely objective.Second game is really solid, lots of interesting loadout options between the weapons, talents and classes that let you play each character in a bunch of different ways. The later DLC pissed people off on release but I personally am enjoying the variety in game modes it has now and the gameplay feels a lot more responsive and I love the extra enemy variety to boot even if quadruple leech spawns can suck my fucking ass.Havent tried darktide since release but Im sure the new classes and additions are fun. Skitarii and arbites look like things I would enjoy, good chance Ill get it another go in the near future once ive had my fill of replaying vermintide 2 for a while.
>>744598874>>744598923>pretending coherency doesnt exist>pretending it's not the same engine and guns don't play exactly the same with different fireratesLow IQ subhumans.
>>744599013>guns don't play exactly the same with different fireratesThey don't
VT2's gear accusation method is so shit it sours everything else positive about the game. Tomes were a massive mistake and actively hurt the game.>>744598956For some reason Co-op shooters attract anti-social autismos. See L4D2
>>744599013yes nigger, coherency exists, but you also gain toughness from kills and sometimes just hitting enemies
>>744598756Toughness is essentially a shield that goes at the top of your HP and can be restored in a variety of ways through skills. THP is literally the same as thp in L4D, except you can get it through one of the talents. They are completely different things.
I have yet to see a single tome spawn in darktide in over +600 hours
>>744598909Ogryn got Pickaxes and single Stubbers.
>>744586207How many of your complaints arent just autism? Im not finding much.
>>744598980>Skitarii Is actually fun and allows the most build custommisation>arbitesIt's just riot policeFun, but not really viable for the late game
>>744599157Are you running tome missions?
>>744599247none
>>744599157I think they have moved them to the mission modifiersSkulls in secret rooms have takenn their place I guess
>>744599157Books and tomes only spawn on missions with those modifiers, its stupid yes, but look for them on the terminal if you are doing Melkman.
>>744599257Dont really know what you mean by late game, but I usually wont go above whatever the second highest difficulty is in these games. I like challenge but I dont like feeling like my anus is getting gaped or that I have to build a very specific way to have a chance. If I remember from release it was 90% armored elites and if you didn't build for killing them efficiently you were sure to lose. Kind of boring to me.That being said, I do like the variety you seem to be able to have with skitarii, seems you can have them be really good in about 6 different ways. Arbites just seems interesting from a shotgunning and clubbing people while being invincible and also a dog. My main on release was Zealot, but I dont know how much running around with an eviscerator and using a bolter/flamer sometimes would translate to either of them.
>>744599268I see the modifier with the counter but I've never found one when I'm casually clearing the map
>>744599484>Dont really know what you mean by late game,Havocaka random bulshit infinite enemy wave go
>>744560373Why does the game just stop all content when you hit 30(Darktide)like what happens now? I got all my perks. Do I grind small % gear bonuses to fight higher % enemies? It's the same enemies. They just do more damage and I do less. I maxed out Veteran and Ogryn and Psyker and I just don't see any reason to keep playing. No new items, no new perks, gear upgrades are barely an upgrade. It's grindy.
>>744599678Now you grind achievements in order to get blue pants for the 4 base game classes
>>744599832I haven't equipped a single cosmetic in the game because I truly don't care about themMy last match also sucked. I was doing a level 3 difficulty mission, Psyker isn't my favorite but it works, and some police guy with a dog had joined my quickplay. He proceeded to run past me and what I think was another noob and the bot, and just streaked forwards. A bunch of enemies starting pushing us from the front so me and the other new guy were like battling beside eachother, just literally infinite enemies. The guy got to a dead end, and died waiting for an elevator, then we died and he said "why didn't you guys even try to move"
>>744599678It shouldn't even have level and weapon grind, it isn't RPGGame only starts once you aren't arbitrarily denied core class functionalityYou are meant to replay missions on higher and higher difficulties for fun. Levels and weapon mastery and tiers get in the way.Fatshark was relentlessly shat on for inclusion of retarded, out of place, worthless RPG mechanics since first Vermintide and bullied into lessening progression systems. Only to backtrack in a sequel, just to get shat on and bullied again. They repeated this 3 times already
>>744599678You hit Havoc 40 and get all the cosmetics
>>744600004If you don't move, AI director will spawn more enemies and specials to fuck you over, just like in L4D
Toughness is a 10/10 concept, you have an upfront allotted grace hit in melee that recharges over time, this alone means the difficulty can no longer rely on stealth slaves two shotting you in the back, and it means missions no longer require 100% perfect gameplay at all times with zero wiggle room as if every single one of us were skitarii in real life.The problem is that Fatshark took this 10/10 concept and thought to themselves "how can we execute this concept in the worst way possible?" and ran with that. The result is that instead of a game that no longer requires machine perfect gameplay, it now instead is braindead, and the only way to provide any sort of challenge whatsoever is through Havoc's bullshit, mainly The Emperor's Fading Light, aka taking the match director, THE single best thing that gives these games longevity and replayability, and throwing it in the trash because its isn't designed to be bullshit.The brains of every single Fatshark, Arrowhead, and Starbreeze employee must be extracted and studied deeply, because this shit is clearly a consciousness anomaly on a country wide scale.
>>744600023And they will do it again and again.
>>744600004Randoms in darktide are one of the worst in all of the coop horde clearing gamesMy rating (anecdotal, from best to worst)DRGRat gameshd2Darktide
>>744600306>the difficulty can no longer rely on stealth slaves two shotting you in the back*laughs in havoc*Also you want to know what's their (and GhostShit) problem? It's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
>>744600096I see. We tried to move but it was extremely hard, so many enemies.
>>744586207>Space Marine 2 > DarktideLMAO
>>744600023I find leveling and item systems to be rewarding. I actually lose interest if I dont have a goal to work towards.
>>744595537Hey anon, did you mean to respond to this anon?>>744575820
>>744560373>enter auric quickplay>get hi-intensity>leaveI don't like specialisttide
>>744599145and what do you think thp is you stupid retard>L4D>thp>talentsyou have not played any of those games.
>>74456037340k's setting is garbage for anything but Space Marines or big battles. I don't care about some random Rouge Trader, I don't care about some random prisoners. Either let me command entire armies, or play as Space a Marine. Can't do that? Then let me play a seprate faction. Nobody cares about the Imperial Guard.If you want to have low power protagonists then make another WHF game, the setting is way better for that.
>>744601390
I got 1.5k hours in Darktide, sell me on VT2 anons. I really fucking love the idea of the Necromacer and having actual minions that interact with the world unlike the mastiff and servo skulls in DT.If I literally buy the game and play nothing but the Necromancer, can I do that without people having a fit? I tend towards the highest difficulties but I assume the Necro would probably suffer there? Or do people genuinely not give a shit after all this time the games been out and you can play whatever? Also how grindy would it be for me to get gear to not be a burden on those higher difficulties?
>>744601114You can choose your mission, you know.
>>744601613You can make anything work in Vermintide. Just gotta have skillz.
>>744601613VT2 is like Darktide but it has way more missions and they're more interesting however there's practically no customization of classes or playstyles.
My honest, unfiltered dogshit opinion is that Vermintide 2 is better than Darktide. I won't repeat points about characters, maps, etc but I will talk about gameplay and difficulty.Whatever the current highest difficulty of Darktide outside of that meme mode with modifiers is a joke compared even to Legend, on Cata you are better off avoiding Chaos Warrior patrol because of how tanky they are, no amount of blessed shots and shadewalks would clear it instantly. Meanwhile in Darktide 10 whatever the fuck orgryns with mallets name is are just more bodies to meatgrinder, nothing is dangerous in Darktide, not monsters, not elites, not even bosses. What the fuck happened with bosses anyway? Why is it the same guy with slightly different weapons?Lack of Blightstormer really hurts Darktide from positioning standpoint, nothing really pushes you out of your position, yes, Grenadier is in the game but Vermintide also has Poison Globadier. Toughness basically makes sure that you never run out of HP, the only way to actually run out of toughness is if your team is a bunch of retards who are not capable of sticking relatively close together.Abilities are basically never on cooldown, why even have cooldowns when my Zealot charge has like 10 seconds cooldown and my Veteran mark thing is completely refunded after 4 elite kills (I don't know the exact number but I remember killing 2 elites brining it to half).The gear system is just trash, please grind out marks, please stare at the shop for curios. There are people who actually argue that pressing reroll for 5 minutes (which is still shit btw) is worse than having to grind before you can start customizing your weapon or staring at the shop until you get curio with good numbers. I cannot imagine what it was before.And my last point, if I wanted to play meme mode with random modifiers I would play twitch mode or fucking deeds.
>>744601834>>744601860Ok but that doesn't really answer my main question, is the max skeletons Necro shit? Will I be getting booted when they see me running it? I doubt it is the meta, if people even give a shit about meta in this old a game, but still.Also how is gear progression? Will I be grinding my ass off to get top of the line gear so I can feel like I'm not a burden on those higher difficulties?
>>744602569No one cares what you run as long as you're not actively greifing them by shooting them all the time. Gear progression is slow but mostly consistent. Open chest immediately while gaining gear power. Gear progression grows based off your top rolled gear.
>>744602569Idk, by the time they released the Necromancer, I already quit the game. Gear in VT2 is way harder and more of a pain to get, but it's way less important. You need to collect those damn books on every level to even have a chance at getting a decent item.
>>744602258>if you ignore high difficulty in one game but not in the other, than one game is easier than the otherGenius.
Played VT2 again after some years, is utterly shit, melee in VT2 is utterly shit where mobs hit you from 500m.
>>744598980vt1 has a lot of soul that was lost in vt2character were flanderizedno enemies getting pinned to walls when shot with arrowsno footprints in the snowdo rats cower anymore when they're few?unfortunately vt2 is the most fun of the two
>>744569028It's like this in almost every game with a character list ever made. Creating a character is a character option, so it should be with the characters.
>>744603947I dont know what to say. This is a videogame board and I like good videogames. I honestly cant think of a single gameplay element of 1 that I would say is better than 2. Everything from the massive increase in variety everywhere, to the mission options, to the actual feeling of the gameplay, etc etc are all just better in 2 from just replaying both over the last couple weeks.
>>744560373>Haven't played a Co-Op horde shooter since L4D2>Play VT2 becuase Warhammer 3 gave me a Warhammer Fantasy itch>play strictly Grail Knight for a hundred hours or so>have fun but hate most of the progression elements as I compare the gameplay to L4D2>Eventually try Darktide purely becuase of the hype, don't care for 40k at all>don't even finish leveling Zealot, the game just feels strictly worse than VT2 while levelingI think my issue is just that 40k is gay and lame. As far the gameplay goes I was already tired of VT2's shitty progression system to jump into another game with dog shit progression that just gates fun difficulty modes withount adding anything of value. Something L4D2 still does better to this day.
>>744603310retarded thirdie with poor internet
>>744604297I don't disagree with you at all, but it's a shame that it wasn't a total improvement over the first onethe crafting is worse (intentionally so, as they wanted to sell lootboxes)no chandelieronboarding feels worse as you need high power gear to do anything vs enemies in higher difficulties (chaos wastes does not have this problem, but I feel is a bit too complex for newbies)
>>744604297nta, but I do enjoy how VT1 is a battle of attrition compared to VT2. Gaining health back is not that easy even with good weapons. My opinion is very likely viewed through rose-tinted glasses, but exploring the maps for the first few times and breathing a sigh of relief when you find a medkit just hit different in VT1. Even now I don't think I'd skip over health items, whereas in VT2 I'd just look at them only if I was downed once.Also I really really like the characters in VT1. They trust each other, but no one really likes each other except for Bardin and Kruber, and even they are a bit reserved with their background. I still remember how devastated Saltzpyre sounds in one of the voicelines if Sienna dies.
The next class will be Ratling Sniper
What do you do when you have too many weapons?They don't even give that much mastery progress even if they're the right kind
>>744598062brooo you don't get it bro, the slides man THE SLIDES, it's just like cod frfr!
>>744605572I don't think we'll get it. Skitarii have definitively confirmed that all new classes will be something bigger, rather than on the same level as the original classes. I don't think we'll get aliens because that would be weird, so most likely the next one will be Sister of Battle or something related. Beyond that, I honestly don't know who else they could add without it feeling off.
>>744593314The problem is L4D is just a great benchmark for the whole genre. Workshop lets you extend it infinitely which Darktide/Vermintide would really benefit from.
>>744606323>james releases a new imperial beastman model>fatshark are roped in>fatshark make canon beastwomen>fanart ensuesThey could always release a Votann class but GW doesn't seem to be pushing them much. Maybe realising they're not popular.But you are right. I can't think of anything they don't already have in some form that wouldn't be stepping up the power level too much, even if the classes we have already kill more in one mission than a marine would in a campaign.
>>744607530Votan looks just as strange as the aliens. Half of the characters will simply try to kill them the first time we meet them. Maybe something like Navy Breacher or something like that? To be honest, I'd really prefer it if they added more customization options to the base classes, something like a subclass or something along those lines. We still don't have a proper machine gun or sniper rifle.
>>744606006Discard for money and mats
>>744606006No, we need more weird weapons like Blast pistols and Disintegration Guns
>>744560373Vermintide 1 was the best game they ever made, by far. Vermintide 2 was a distinct downgrade from that but still playable and occasionally enjoyable. Darktide at launch was bland garbage with no redeeming qualities. Darktide now is better, but still not great. I expect whatever they make next will be TRULY shit.
>>744564382thread ended here
>>744606323I would love a sister of battle or something, but Zealot is a sister of of battle in all but name. Not sure what they would really do. They could add secondary classes for the main characters but adding sister of battle for zealot would be hard to sell as anything but an upgrade.I think a big issue is there isn't really anything missing from a gameplay niche I can think of. You have lots of ranged options, glass cannons, chunky tanks, ripper melees, mage, heavy supports, etc etc. Any character you add would probably just be a side grade or improvement to something else already, which kind of already happened a bit with the dlc classes.
>>744611192There's definitely some overlap here, but I think Sister has enough interesting and unique things to offer. Even just looking at their Kill Team box there are a couple of things that could be unique to them.
I have 40k fatigue
>>744611871well your only going to get more it's a franchise that isn't going anywhere
>>744612647>it's a franchise that isn't going anywhereoh we know, there are a LOT of millenial sohyfags and they've got another 20+ years before their diabetes and autoimmune diseases take them, 40k, and marvel out with em
>>744612862there will be cures by then
>>744560893hahahahaI wish Sweden would get nuked from orbit, nothing good ever came out of that shit country
>>744560373I prefer Darktide's gameplay, but VT2 does do some things better (like visual clarity since not everything is fucking dark) and is more charming.
>>744601114Shock Troop Guantlet is specialisttide (or "Waves of specialists" in Maelstroms). Hi-Intensity is just more enemies overall but doesn't spawn endless specialists like STG. STG is extremely tiring and annoying to deal with in most QP groups because the average retard isn't very useful. I also only play a couple STGs a day and then just go look for regular HI stuff. I just want to engage stuff in melee.
>>744577474>Smegmar stuff is axiomatically cringe shit with no stakesNigger no one talked about 40k
>tfw running 1 point in stimm supply as the scum>>744584705It picks up immensely in auric onwards. Head on a swivel, try to pick off specials, sliding to avoid gunner fire, and usually while enemies are in your face.
>>744611192There's the option to make the Sisters character a Retributor and have their class trees focused on either the heavy flamer, heavy bolter or heavy melta.
>>744601481p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-PILS
>>744611815Mechanically there might be some overlap, narratively an Adepta Sororitas and a Zealot are pretty different.
>>744611192Make a gimmick out of their Power armor. I don't know, rip off Crysis or something. That's the only thing separating them from Zealot. All Zealot weapons should be usable by them and all SoB weapons should be usable by Zealot.
>>744606323Navy Breacher, so Brahms crew, would be the most low effort thing to add. At this point I expect them, sooner or later>Port 2h axe from VT2>Port axe and shield from VT2>Add Power Axes>More shotguns>Shotgun and shield>Dlc shares some of those weapons to Arbites too, serving as an update to him as another incentive to buy it>Rework Combat/Tactical Axestrivial
>>744598062the problem with VT2 is classes are locked to one person and no character customization
Something Adeptus Sororita relatedAeldariDeath Cult AssassinCatachanI want those
>>744602258I started your longpost because I figured you were making such an effort that I you put a comparable amount of hours in both. And that I have about 2k in Darktide and only flirted with V2. Then after the first sentence, I opened your pic. >62 hrs in DatktideYou wasted your time, bitch. TL;DR
>>744615039I want to play as tyranids
>>744560373In 10 years darktide will finally be a playable game. It took Varment-tide awhile but it got there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7VmhPjv9yI
>>744614497>Add Power AxesThose are already in the game files
>>744598267All the baseline Darktide classes routinely talk about crazy shit that they should not have any clue about or if they did know anything about should have been executed over. Psyker makes a little sense to know about things they shouldn't being psychic and all, but when I hear the fucking Ogryn start talking about Death Cult Assassins or when a Zealot starts talking about some line from the Codex Astartes I just immediately think "fuck off."
>>744615984>I just immediately think "fuck off."t. secondary
I don't play any other class other than Ogryn. Does that make me a shitter?
>>744616292No it makes you an Ogryn.
>>744616292It makes you Based. Everyone loves a good Ogryn but no one likes playing as one
I'm not a fan of playing Ogryn
>>744616665I mainly use the taunt and shield because it staggers and pushes down entire hordes of enemies
>>744616831
>>744614497>new classesThe game needs some more actual content, not yet another new class to do the same set of missions with.It also desperately needs something to actually grind for, but all the cosmetics get sent off to the Temu Aquilas Shop.
>>744616292>>744616831Ogryn is good at crowd control, taking areas and bullying things. Every class has it's role.
>>744611815>>744614051>>744614265Kind of as has been said, most of the weapons the zealot has are pretty typical SOB stuff. Maybe lesser versions, sure, but the theme is there. Im not saying I would object to an SoB being added regardless of how much it relegated the zealot to the "why bother" pile, but I think it would be hard to get a good SoB class WITHOUT it taking a lot of identity from the zealot. Like I think the SoB would be worse if it didn't take some shit from them.
>>744616292Nah, just make sure you utilize that carry heavy shit at normal speed passive, that's half the reason you play an ogryn. God, being on a team with one but one of the non ogryn players insisted on being the one to lug around all the power cores is infuriating.
>>744617039Oh I forgot the most important part, I never break character when typing in chat
>>744618029Don't worry, I go out of my way to do that too
>>744618087Good lad, extra rations for you.
>>744576068Ogryn mogs those stupid dlc classes anyway
>>744606323>>744611192I can think of a few ideas to build a few classes around, but the problem is all of them require out there shit like xenos or abhumans, an astropath or a tech priest with servitor minions are the only two I could think of that wouldn't be far fetched
>>744617990I think you can gather weapons and abilities for SoB so they don't overlap with zealot. Let's say a crossbow, an electric whip, and a skepter, that's already half done. And to make it stand out more from the zealot we could make it more support-focused. Maybe something like customisable relic, similar to scum stim
>>744618519Eldar corsair could work, just have them pretend to be abhumans, and never say they're eldar but never deny it either. Most humans have never met an eldar so they would be easily convinced they're just a weird looking human. And model wise they're just a taller human, so minimal code fuckery needed to make them work(Skitarii are already taller than every non ogryn, so just take their skeleton and stretch it a little).
>>744598267I dont remember what this is referencing
>>744618742The problem is that many of the player characters have encountered Eldari and other xenos. And even if the Inquisition speaks up, I don't think it will stop the rejects.>>744618854Golden Throne.
>>744618854The Webways I guess?
>>744618854Golden Throne, various aliens(eldar, necrons)have looked at it or had it described to them and said oh yeah, this is definitely our tech, or at least based on it.
>>744618945They don't like the maual arbitrator or 2 of the 3 skitarii personalities either, but the still work with them. Eldar are that but for humanity as a whole.
>>744604873vt1 plays so different compared to vt2, it's stll worth it to play it and see all the maps at least oncei cant believe they ported river reik to vt2 and made it thrice as hard
>>744619251> river reik to vt2Oh boy, I can't wait for Reaching Out in a few months and how absolutely ballbusting they will make the last event.
>>744619102I don't think any of the zealots would work with them, at least it would be strange. Even setting that aside, I think it would be strange for the Eldari to be rummaging around at the bottom of hive city alongside rejects. By the way, something like Inquisition acolyte with access to xenos guns could actually be interesting.
rookie number
Time for the real question:Hadron or Hestia?
>>744560373Darktide dodge system is a pain in the ass, sprint > crouch.
VT3 when
>>744619882...anon you can dodge even if you're not sprintingbind dodge and sprint on 2 different keys
I want to sharpshooter, Helbore Lasgun or Infantry Lasgun, one of the Marks thats lower RoF but higher damage?
>>744620473If you can tolerate the iron sights (I can't) or download the non-bloatware iteration of the weapon customization mod, go with the Hellbore. Infantry Las is pretty shit these days and hasn't kept up with the game's evolution at all. But the Hellbore can be built to handle both specialists and any elite that isn't a Bulwark.>which versionI don't remember. I hate "hold fire to charge" weapon design.
>>744620593I honestly hate the charge weapons, but I like the idea of being a Veteran and picking out specialists and elites
>>744564382>>744564586Load times have nothing to do with gameplay which is all that matters. if the best game in the universe had a 1 hour load time we would all play it.
>>744620945Yeah, they almost always feel like shit. You could do a sharpshooter type build with the Bolter using Focus Target and the right talents. NI haven't played Vet in a good while though. Not sure how it holds up to Crushers against the big HP buff Fatshark dumped out in a poor attempt to compensate for power creep. Plasma's an option too, of course. But yeah, for more normal small arms options, I can only really think of the Helbore for dealing with anything with Carapace. If you don't mind having to Krak/Power Sword Crushers/Maulers (I can't remember how this did on Mauler bodies; think it was pretty mid at the time), the semi-auto Headhunter used to be a pretty nice DMR option. Again though, elite HP buff might've cucked it. I tend to just play Zealot/Scum/Arbites/Skitarii with some melee Psyker in there for the Force GS.
>>744569129GW is pushing 40k hard now, I wouldn't count on many fantasy games in the next 5 years.
>>744618676I just cant wrap my head around a SoB without at least eviscerators and flamers.
>>744621294What's the problem? DLC classes already share weapons with base ones.
>>744621294They'll have other weapons like Hand Flamers and Meltas
>>744619348Corsairs have two in built excuses to be damn near anywhere in that they are pirates and mercenaries. Either Grendyl brings them on like he did the hive scum, as hired guns, or they show up and offer to help because there's shit their that their corsair prince wants as trophies.
>>744621457Nothing. Like I said, Im all for it, im just commenting on the people saying their could have a lot of unique weapons. I mnean yeah they could but most of the weapons people think of when they think of SOBs are already in game.
>>744621541Are there any of these little animations for AdMech or eldar(any flavor of eldar)? Also who hyped for exodites finally having minis?
>>744560373I honestly just prefer killing rats than generic zombies. They would never do this but I think instead of Nurgle followers they should've had Slaanesh freaks being the main enemies. The whole Nurgle rot aesthetic kinda just blends into the soulless hivecity shithole style by making everything black,brown and green. I really miss the diverse environments/maps that you play in Ratclick 2 that ranges from green forests,castles and villagesI also wonder if they will make AoS tide? I really just want my warhammer fantasy rather than 40K but it doesn't really seem like we will get another Vermentide in Old World
>>744621864>minis?I'm a book and audiodrama simp, still need to finish the 54 book Heresy series
