Inspiration or cheap imitation?
>>744560808That grab animation is terrible
>>744560808>what if old game but worse in every way possible
>>744561029indie games in a nutshell
>KH but it's Aladdin's world only It's not like there's many games that play like KH other than KHI would love if a mainline FF played like KH but those stupid motherfuckers at Squareenix will never do it
VERY cheap imitation wow
>awful character design>stiff animation>worse visual effects than a ps2 game>everything is directly copied from kh2, not a single original idea in sightWow. Indie games fucking suck.
>>744560808>Mudslime HeartsHis Ultima Weapon is a suicide vest.
>>744562772whoever thought those portraits should be moving should be fired from any current and future UI jobs
>>744564546>complaining about ui design in beta footage from nearly 20 years agoYour autism is next level.
>>744560808Why do indie games always have a telltale that they're indie even when they imitate old games like that?
>>744565230They always have the stink of the developers personal taste. I can tell this dude is a fan of non-chalant anime protagonists.
>>744564732No he's right the UI Icons look fucking ridiculous. having them move around like pic rel was a terrible design idea.You're just a retard.
>>744565337Take your meds
>>744564495White people disappear in snow, black people at night, what do arabs naturally camouflage in? Explosions.
>>744560808Imitation of what?
>>744560808OP I know you just got done spamming this on 10 plebbits but buy an ad.
>mfw i thought this was a KH threadpretty impressive copycat
>>744565230Yanky animations + Amateur UI/UX and design in general.For example the menu has a generic mobile design elements such as the excessive use of gradients + sepia colors. The font looks like Arial or a free Sans-serif font. The animations are all linear instead of using ease-ins or ease-outs. All of these add up so they make the game look cheap.
>>744565230Because they're people with barely any budget and typically never teams of more than 5-10 trying to imitate the work of 20-40 people or more with millions of dollars of budget
>>744566252Yeah even focusing just on the 3D stuff it's wrong. Thanks>>744566318tvrth nvke
>>744562772God I usually don't like Nomura's stuff but the original FF15 really looked so cool
>>744560808Looks like AI
>>744562772Square Enix made Kingdom Hearts with the intention of making the levels recognizable properties which made them go to Disney.What they should have done is rely on the public domain to make the worlds of Kingdom Hearts. Think about it, the series Darkstalkers was originally going to utilize famous Universal Studio monsters like Dracula until Capcom decided to use the public domain concepts to create original characters. It worked, Morrigan's merchandise sells better than Dracula's.Kingdom Hearts would have flourished given this way and it wouldn't be that different because Disney already uses the public domain to make their movies. But whatever, what's done is done.
>>744560808cheap imitation but im starved so i'll eat it?
>>744566252Indie faggots always do that sine wave rainbow text too.
>>744567042Or... Square could have just used the immense number of IPs they already created for each world, telling a side story in each setting (IE, Chrono Trigger, FFVI, Mana, etc)
>>744567864would be cool but I doubt it would have had the cultural staying power kingdom hearts has had
>>744561083BallisticNG was pretty good.
>>744567893You really think people bought KH form Disney? Anyone who was male played it for the FF crossovers (IE, Cloud and Sephiroth) and thought the Disney shit was gay. They also wouldn't have tom work around Dinsey's awful guidelines
>>744564495>>744565774
>>744567042Well Timeless River is now public domain.So it's come full circleWhile Alice in wonderland, Snow white, Pinocchio, Peter Pan, The Little Mermaid, ect were all public domain.The worlds would not be the same without the Iconic depictions of the characters and environments by Disney artists.For example imagine Hercules with a very different Hades and no James Woods. Imagine the Underworld but it's not based on the amazing art-work of the original movie.
>>744560808There are zero original ideas in this. Every UI element, gameplay system, and animation is a carbon copy of Kingdom Hearts. The enemies are meant to look like Heartless. The NPCs are made to look like enhanced versions of the NPCs from Kingdom Hearts. Even the environments are made to have the simple soft textures and chunky geometry of the Kingdom Hearts games that came before 2.8 and 3. Even "Doom-clones" added new weapons and mechanics even while they were imitating Doom's highly efficacious implementation. There just weren't that many ways to make a first person shooter back then. Personal computers couldn't handle much more.But there are a dozen ways to make an action RPG that feels like Kingdom Hearts without needing to copy the interface, art style, and every single mechanic to a T.
>>744562772Here's what an actual KHlike looks like.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2542020/Duskfade/
>>744568389UE5 slop. Played the demo it's a badly made pile of shit.
>>744568389reminds me more of the jak games
>>744560808obviously made by a jeet but it could be worse I guess
>>744560808>that sloggy boring combatEven the jump looks just like Sora's KH1 jump lmao. This is how you do a fan game even if it's a mod.https://youtube.com/watch?v=FOLUxKOg3o4
>>744568650this shit is never coming out
>>744568389I tried that already it has its charm though the combat is very simplistic
>>744560808I honestly don't care at this point. I just want more KH type games, just like Ratchet and Clank games, there's not enough of them.I'm looking forward to this and duskblade or whatever it's called.I hope someone mods Sora to this game and add KH UI elements
>>744564546That UI went through about 30 different changes, people thought versus was going to be the new Duke Nukem forever. While you're right, you just sound like a zoomer who doesn't know anything.
>>744560808>Brown MC>No party>Slugish movement that obviously has a delay to itPASS
>>744562772I would've love this version of FF15, what a shame.
>>744560808>the abilities have the same namesThat's a bit too much imo
>>744568983It would have never came out. Getting rid of Nomura and his autistic need to never release his games is a bane of Square.
Hey look a cheap copy that's worse in every way than a twenty year old game. Guess I'll go play the twenty year old game again instead.
>>7445645463 cameras pointing at the characters face at all times sounds like a nightmare for the ps3 to handle
>all these woketards on X who never played a single KH game trying to convince anyone this game is anything but a shameless 1:1 ripoff without an ounce of originality so it's literally the same game but worse
>>744568453Gg ruined. I cant play any UE5 games without migraines the visuals are so fucking shit and unstable in literally every fucking game
>Hey, I really liked game X, I'd like to have more of it>"NO NO NO NO NO YOU HAVE TO BE ORIGINAL FUCK YOU"???Imagine eating a delicious cake ten years ago, recreating the recipe today, then being executed in front of your family because some people think you're only allowed to eat each cake exactly once and no one else is allowed to ever bake that exact cake againUtter nonsense
>>744568389I can't take it seriously with that retarded female-coded artstyle and mobile game look in general
>>744564546Fucking retarded monkey kill yourself. I hope you never ever make a game
>>744569205Don't tell me people are trying to shill this garbage because of some brown. Woke is strong drug for sure
>>744560808looks really stiff and unsatisfying which sux cuz i like kh combat and 1001 arabian nights is a cool setting for shit
>>744569205>this game is anything but a shameless 1:1 ripoff without an ounce of originalityWhy is this a bad thing again
>>744560808If I like it's a homageIf I don't like it it's a rip-off Simple as
>>744569558Bootlegs have no purpose besides being cheaper, but that doesn't matter for video games, if I want to play a game I'll play the game, not an inferior clone
>>744569070they should've stuck with this kh combat at leastthey should've kept the insomnia exploration before the time jump, and the yakuza elementsthey shouldn't have made a massive useless open world with shitty side quests, forcing square to cut niflheim, altissia, tenebrae and insomnia exploration They shouldn't have made a fucking movie with overpaid tv actors, or like 5 side games, one being a demake for mobile, or multiplayer, or assassins creed and tomb raider dlc, or VR mini game, or an anime.Huge waste of money, leaving nomura's autistic ass working on versus 13/15 would've been the better choice.DLC bandaid didn't fix the issues and all it did was waste what could've been an interesting villain in a good game.
>>744562772I'm still fucking madI'm still fucking waiting20 fucking years
>>744569205you mean like doom clones? this is nothing new
>>744569778Cheaper? This game and every Kingdom Hearts are all free.And you're allowed to play both.
>>744569318>food analogyImagine eating computers
>>744569849Eating computers is a shit analogy because there's no reason to assume a mac is inherently healthy or unhealthy.Kingdom Hearts II being a cake is an excellent analogy for the reasons explained in the post you're replying to.
>>744569826doom clones were a market trend this is nothing but a knock off to capitalize off of peoples nostalgia
>>744569318>You WILL enjoy this slop because it badly apes a classic, but has brown peopleKill yourself adenga-addled tourist
>food analogy
>>744569896lol ok
>>744569826Doom is open source, of course the games made with the same code are going to be similar, and even then they're more original than this garbageSomeone took the time to code and animate this shit just to copy KH without an original thought>>744569829that's the point, a worse cheaper game is just a worse game because you can play both, it's not like clothes where people have to get clones because the original is unaffordable, so this thing has no reason to exist
>>744569960NOOOO RIPOFF GAMES ARE LIKE CAKESTWO CAKES REEEEFOOD ANALOGY
>>744569960Exactly, it's not like clothes where you can only wear one shirt at a time, or have to settle for what's in your budget.Everyone everywhere can play both of these games for free.The reason for something like this to exist is so you have more content to enjoy, instead of being forced to only enjoy one thing.Additionally, you've fallen into my trap and moved your goalposts without even realizing. You're no longer even arguing about it being unoriginal, you're arguing about it being shit. That is a completely different and unrelated metric.
>>744560808>>744569205really? why is this game suddenly being discussed, I heard about it a while back
>>744570084It got a lot of replies on twitter when a grifter pretended to be retarded for clicks, so it gets to be this week's engagement bait.
>>744570084the dev shilled his bootleg on x and it went viral with people rightfully shitting on it arguing with wokes defending it just for the sake of "being kind" to an unoriginal indie dev
>>744567967>You really think people bought KH form Disney?Yeah going by what people say about it online.
>>744570074from the very beginning I said it's the same thing but worse, you're the one moving goalpoststry harder next time
>>744564546you really pissed off the jeets with this one, youre right though
>>744570252To be clear, you'd enjoy this game if it were exactly the same but better than Kingdom Hearts?
>>744570284keep moving these goalposts, you already lost
>>744570369Which part of the question makes you uncomfortable?
>>744570284It would still be inferior for being such a blatant copy and having no original ideas. For the series' faults and missteps, no two entries play the same and a lot of thought has gone into making each title feel at least a little fresh. A failed attempt at forward movement is still better than design plagiarism.
>>744570453>It would still be inferior for being such a blatant copy and having no original ideas.But why do you think that's inherently the case?I genuinely don't see the issue of wanting more of X. Not a different version of X, not an """original""" spin on X, just more X.It seems like a natural thing to want.
>>744570453and if they could make a better game they wouldn't have to resort to making an embarrassing bootleg in the fist place
>I genuinely don't see the issue of wanting more of X.It's not X, it's 'X' but worse you retarded jeet
>>744560808They should sue
>>744560808It's really not a good idea to try and do a Nomura art style, because there is no way you can top his character designs.
>>744570556But no one is saying>I was excited for an exact 1:1 copy of KH2, but this is shitthey're specifically and explicitly saying>People shouldn't make 1:1 copies of thingsWhich is very, very different.
Any KH clone that is as fun as KH but without disney should be worth playing
>>744560808>brown protagonistIn the trash it goes
>>744569318>eat a delicious cake>a decade later I can buy more of the same cake from the same bakery>some street shitter tries to sell me a copy that is trying too hard to be the same but has lower quality ingredients and it's brownyou're falling for the exact scam strategy the dev is trying to pull off>if you like this popular game then YOU MUST BUY my cheap ripoff
>>744570686>>a decade later I can buy more of the same cake from the same bakeryYou can buy more games that play exactly like KH2?How many are there? I genuinely can't think of one.And who said anything about buying? Having to fight schizo strawmen every time you don't fall for a grift is exhausting.
>>744570531People, particularly dumbasses like yourself, have no idea what they want. You say you want more of the same, but can you point to a single instance where more of the same was well received? Even games like Majora's Mask, New Vegas, and the Yakuza series, which were crapped out in short order using the same engine and many of the same assets, are different enough that you seem like an obtuse retard if you imply there's no difference.
>>744570759The differences here being that it's worse in every way but it has brown people
>>744570759>You say you want more of the same, but can you point to a single instance where more of the same was well received?A majority of the authentic modding scene is built around this very concept. For example, some of the best-received Mario 64 romhacks are the ones that play identical to the original with no real new gimmicks or twists, just more content. Same with Pokemon and Metroid romhacks.If you point out that plenty of romhacks do have twists, please realize that I never once said you had to pick between having more of the same and doing something different.>Even games like Majora's Mask, New Vegas, and the Yakuza seriesThose games are all fundamentally different from their predecessors, though. Hell, Yakuza even outright switches genres at one point.
>>744570730KH has several games, none of you larpers shilling this unoriginal garbage has played them all, so if you wanted more KH you could start with KH gamesand after beating them once if you want more you can go for their critical modes or speedrun themyour whole argument is trying to leech of the fans of a game and demand them to like a vastly inferior clone, you have nothing to say, everything you say is just rephrasing the same parasite tactic
>>744570938>YOU'RE LE SHIIIIILmeds
>>744560808Who the FUCK wants KH1's gameplay ?It was bad then, it is bad now.
>>744570976I accept your concession
Why are there no copy cat for Chains of Memories?I kinda like the gameplay mechanics.
>>744570938>KH has several gamesThey all famously play differently. This was one of the biggest criticisms of KH3 on release, and one of the biggest criticisms of KH4's recent trailer. Even KH2 is criticized for this. No one really talks about it with the spinoffs because they're, well, spinoffs.>and after beating them once if you want more you can go for their critical modes or speedrun themAlready did, two decades ago.>leech of [sic] the fansWhy is everything measured like this nowadays? Are you also worried about the steamcharts? Maybe the sales number on vgchartz?
>>744571014 Becuase nobody but you likes CoM.
>>744571073Not him, I like it.Get fucked.
>>744571039>they're all too differentso if you want the same game just play the same gameno need for an inferior copy
>>744571073Why?What's wrong with it?How about you tell us Why do you hate it?
>>744571014>decksno fuck that shit
>>744571110what if you have already played the game
>>744571110Because I already played X, and I want MORE of X.
>>744570860>citing romhacksYou really are a fucking moron, aren't you? That's the territory of autistic losers who play the same game over and over for 20+ years, not a metric you should consider for a retail product. Besides, chopping up and altering a game using bootleg parts is still more creative than trying to copy a game wholesale and filing the numbers off.
>>744571180this isn't more of kingdom heartsit's a cheap clone
>>744571187>autistic losers who play the same game over and over for 20+ yearsThose are the real fans, secondary.
>>744571187>That's the territory of autistic losers who play the same game over and over for 20+ yearsDo you not see the irony of posting this in a thread whose main opinion is not understanding why you wouldn't want to play fucking Kingdom Hearts 1 over and over for 20+ years
>like mcdonalds>someone slaps an upside down mcdonalds logo on this>SAAR IF YOU WANT MORE MCDONALDS THEN YOU MUST EAT THIS
>>744571014Because it wasn't good enough to ever touch again. The idea is fine, but having to shuffle through cards during an active battle is not fun. I would have preferred something like Battle Network if they had to go the card route.
So you see it's like a burger.
>>744571073Eat a dick zoomie.
>>744571376>having to shuffle through cards during an active battle is not funSo the game is just too hard for you babies?
>>744571229That's the heart of it. Ine of the draws to a popular series is the trappings of the series itself, particularly to people with some attachment to it. Bug Fables is a decent game on its own, but all it did for me was make me wish Nintendo and Intelligent Systems weren't so obstinate about making another Paper Mario. You can copy someone's stuff all you want, and if they aren't doing it themselves you'll make a reasonable group of people happy, but at the end of the day it will only ever be "good enough". People who are talented enough transcend their sources rarely want to make a 1:1 copy.
>>744571578Who said anything about being hard? The game is piss easy once it gets rolling, like any other game in the series, but it's just not that engaging
>>744569816>>744569070>>744569791>>744568983>>744562772Would you folks like the full story of the Nomura firing and how Square was so satisfied with FFXV they want to normie-friendly further games again and again?
>>744571376>having to shuffle through cards during an active battle is not fun.you're meant to construct your deck to largely avoid shuffling through it by stacking it full of sleights
>>744571345Yeah, people shouldn't try to make 1:1 copies of things unless they are some sort of actual decision maker or innovator with experience behind the thing itselfI don't want a fake hamburger, I don't want beyond beef.
>>744568575>DuskfadeExactly. They outright said KH gameplay didn't inspire them in an interview with Cynical.
>>744560808"we have kingdom hearts at home"
>>744571823It's getting to that point that's the trick. The early game in CoM is the only one worse than BBS' making you go through it three times.
>>744560808unironically looks like something indians made. Notice how they only picked the aladdin world lmfao
>>744571014Funny, was literally about to start up the HD port for the first time. Only ever beat the handheld version.
>>744560808so what's the name of the fucking game? Everyone here but me knows about this already I guess.
>>744560808>It's a tribute to Kingdom HeartsNo. The creator basically copied everything from Kingdom Hearts but put his own "art" into it. It isn't original at all though. Everything down from the magic to the menu and equipment screen is pretty much a 1:1 of Kingdom Hearts, and Square Enix could easily shut it down.
>>744569816Nomura is even more mad than all of you. So mad, in fact, that he ended up hating final fantasy and removing FF characters from KH. So mad, that he will now attempt to revive Versus XIII within kingdom hearts itself so SE doesn't try to turn it into a FF game of any kind again. Nomura has dedicated his life to reviving versus XIII.
>>744572430https://store.steampowered.com/app/1949610/Luminous_Nights/its this
Looks fun. I'll probably pirate it.
>>744572385I find Re:CoM to be a worse game, honestly. The battles are fine for a 2.5D plane, while the full 3D makes it a bit of a hassle. Also, because it plays like other games in the series, I found myself trying to play it like 1 or 2 and screwing up, but that may just be me.
>>744572589>Embark on a HeartsLike action-RPGI hate jeets with a burning passion
>>744572449>Nomura has dedicated his life to reviving versus XIII.Just like his mother and father, only this time instead of Nintendo money backing them up, Nomura has all of his Square kohais to back him up. Problem is they also know that top brass wants more hold O to win games with quotable quips so gamers are never bored or made to feel negative emotions that advance the story, and now even Yoshi-P has gotten cozier with Nomura.CS3 is the only studio with the other Versus devs and they already made a dark political commentary Final Fantasy before
>>744560808saar i will not let you take kairi's heart you bloody bastard bencod baster bitch mother fucker i rape your mother
>>744572449>Nomura has dedicated his life to reviving versus XIIIVersus was the game where he wanted to say what he hated about modern society, how much and why. He actually wanted to use FF for that reason, release all 3 Versus games and never work on an FF property again.>>744573173>Nomura's work parentageI see you've read the literature
>>744572449I keep hearing this but what exactly is he doing? Inserting characters he created in VXIII into KH? What was Versus even about again? I thought it was literally just FF15 with some mild plot changes.
@disney prep your lawyers bro, they are ripping you off
>>744569205I like how all of the ability names are quite literally copy/pasted
>>744560808I am more surprised gaymers haven't vomited KH clones by the thousand since the series became a thing.
>>744576419To be fair shit like guard and dodge roll aren't exactly unique to begin with but yeah it's obviously a KH clone not like the dude was hiding it.
Kingdom Hearts Arabia
>>744576503The dude's name is literally Yahya Danboos and he's trying to claim he's from Tokyo, Japan. He's literally just some street-shitter and I wouldn't be surprised for a moment if he's selling a modded version of KH.
>>744576543ok? don't buy it if you don't like it
>>744576565Why so defensive?
>>744560808Inspiration if I like it, cheap imitation if I don't like it.
Idk I like it there's not many games set in that country
>>744576616
>>744560808the fact that i have never once in my life played kingdom hearts and as soon as i saw the thumbnail i thought this was kingdom hearts tells me it's a very blatant ripoff
>>744576897SameFrankly I never got the appeal
>>744564546Moving portraits aren't really bad, the problem is that they should have a handful idle animations for several moments, it's retarded to copy the movements of the character in the portrait.
>>744560808I'll pirate it, I like shitty indie jrpgs especially when the j is in quotes
>>744560808One day I hope AI gets to the point I can say. "Make me kingdom hearts 1" and this will be made.
>>744577213And the AI will be like "been there, done that" because half this shit was already AI generated.
>>744571819Nomura wasn't fired, the project leadership was shuffled around because it was lingering unfinished much like FFXII was when they did the same thing. Tabata and Nomura/Nojima were a team on all the secondary FF7/FNC properties so it wasn't a highly political thing. Nomura/Nojima moved on to finishing up KH3, which was also lingering in dev hell.
>>744569318If you want more of it, you have the original, it hasn't gone away.The one coming out is supposed to be slightly different, and those differences stand out. It's not as simple as having the same engine and basic mechanics. Level design is practically a talent. So is writing. So is artwork. So is music composition, and so on. Have you looked at the character design? It just looks like a jeet typed "generic brown anime boy" and that's what popped up and he decided to use it, completely unedited. If all of what's displayed there isn't a pile of placeholders, I don't know what to say about it. At that level, you shouldn't trust the rest of the project to be worth fecal matter. A simple randomizer may have more effort put into it and satisfy your "I need to play the same game but I can't be playing the same game" bullshit better than this.
>>744571819>normie-friendly further games again and again?You are insanely delusional if you never thought FF was normie friendly from the start LMAO.You probably need to take some meds (i don't know what you're taking but you definitely need them right now)
>>744577547>lingering unfinished much like FFXIIMatsuno left when FF12 was 9-10 months away from release. This isn't like there were several cutscenes left unscripted but everything else was complete, it was an entire game that began to get off the ground in 2010. Coincidentally Nomura hired FF12 devs even writers, cutscene designers (probably the same ones Matsuno forgot to give scripts to), level designers, battle programmers and battle designers which is likely how Versus became known as 'KH with a Gambit system'.>>744577992The project was doomed from the start when Nomura said that Versus would likely alienate every FF fan (i.e. normies) and told Kitase and Toriyama that evolving the preexisting FF storytelling philosophy would screw over the franchise. He also got lots of devs from SaGa, Mana, TLR and Front Mission in addition to Matsuno's people so he could make the game as a total fuck you to Kitase and Toriyama inheriting the old guard from 10.>I was asleep when you posted
