>Most unique class in any multiplayer FPS>18 years later nothing comes close or even copies it wellWhy is this?
Because you could see the effectiveness of this class fade over the years as people got used to the concept. At first you could start at enemy spawn and stab your way all the way to the frontline with nobody even turning around. Now every backstab feels like a project.
>>744575435Not even close to true.
>>744575435>Most unique class in any multiplayer FPSVery true when you've only played one in your life.
Pretty sure Dirty Bomb had some invis ninja that was busted on release.
>>744575545>>744575564>Offers no rebuttal, except "no ur wrong"
>>744575819You have zero frame of reference for anything else. TF2 fans are retarded.
>>744575435Tribes games had cloaking packs and an actually meaningful use for them. Instead of just backstabbing one or two guys and being mostly useless, you could sneak into the enemy base and blow up their generator. With the gens down, the whole enemy team temporarily lost access to vehicles, radars and certain weapons.
>>744575435>Why is this?Because this class is absolutely ASS. He's never been done anywhere else because this is the only class in tf2 that's absolutely worthless in all tiers of play
>>744575545>>744575897>No argumentName a more original class. Go
>>744575983Funny because TF2 and the Tribes games are my favorite multiplayer games of all time.
>>744575989>>744575538He just needs a buff.>Allow him to do all the same animations as the enemy including fake shots>Doesn't bleed when getting shot at in cloak modeHe is now useful again
There was Assassin from monday night combat but no one plays or even remembers it.
>>744576126Spy directly drew from WolfET's covert ops class.
>>744575435It's simplethe fps genre peaked 18 year ago
>>744576126Movie Battles 2 Jedi and Sith.
>>744576145any newer games that scratch that ribes itch?
>>744576259>Not an FPS
>>744575435hes a terrible gimmick completely shut down by the enemy merely... turning around (player slightly moving their mouse)
>>744575435Oh? What's unique about him?
>>744576287Yes it is.
>>744576221>no one playsBecause the retarded devs killed it to shill their proto-overwatch (SMNC) which failed spectacularly because it was MNC but less fun
>>744576169Or he has an increased invis duration and movement speed once he spawns.
>>744576225Other way around, retard. Wolfenstein drew from Team Fortress Classic
>>744576338he's the stabman
>>744576374I have no idea what possessed them to dial down the lethality. It would have taken no effort at all to make it MNC but with more dudes.
>>744576319>facestabs youlollmao>crabwalks away
>>744576442I know lots of stabmen in pov bullet throwing games.
>>744576221i remember her. wish they made clone of her
>>744575435The Spy's role is getting into a fortified position and stabbing people while they're busy fighting your team or slapping sentries to let your team advanceYou'd understand this if you actually played the game
>>744575435Other very unique shooter classes:>mirage in apex legends. Create a hologram that either runs forwards or mimics your actions. Use to either reveal enemy positions or tank a shotgun shot>"Trapper" kit in Minecraft UHC. Use redstone to create a death pit, trick enemies to fall into it, and get their loot>kidnap build doorman in deadlock. Use your portal gun and ability to shove enemies through portals to send enemies to somewhere they are almost guaranteed to be killed
>>744577209Who are you replying to? Op just said it was unique
>>744577625Tribes Ascend>Class that damage people who run into him>Stand at the flag>People crack like eggs flying into you at 400 mph
>>744578297The first post >>744575538I did an oopsie
I admit spy is the weakest class in the game and it isn't even close. However after 1000 hours on him and being an autistic freak I can normally still play him very well. Of course if I spent 1000 hours on literally any other class I would be doing better but he is just so addicting. I love getting the Eternal Reward and playing mind games. Running backwards at the enemy so they think i'm retreating as a sniper and then stabbing the medic is more satisfying than anything else I can experience in a multiplayer game.
Sombra plays the same and does the same job as Spy without dying in the process 99.99% of the time.Valve refuses to fix spy because they hate tf2 more than anyone else.
>>744575435>Why is this?Developers are intellectually bankrupt and only know the tank-healer-DPS infect trifecta.And it is not only the AAA/AA devs. Indies also are bankrupt.
>>744578630I'm pretty decent at spy myself (not elite, but can put in work) and it feels like I'm never making any difference. The only time I think I actually affect the other team is when I destroy teles. It's a fun class, but it really is just so dogshit at mattering.
>>744575989>>744576169both of you should kill yourselves. spy is fine. you are shit.
>>744578756shes more annoying than useful. remember she has a smg so she cant instakill enemies once she hacks them
>>744575435It was more unique in TFC before valve's shitty demake ruined him
>>744578756>Plays the sameShe doesn't close nor backstab. It isn't the same at all
>>744578886>The objectively weakest class by a large margin is fine
>>744578756>overwatch playerthese are the people telling valve they should change their 20 year old classic.
>>744578973>everything must be balanced and symmetricalgo back to overwatch and then kill yourself in real life.
>>744578756>Sombra plays the same and does the same job as Spy without dying in the process 99.99% of the time.And most people only know about her trough source film maker futa animations.
Spy would absolutely fucking suck in any modern hero shooter (the two that matter that is)
>>744579045No one said this. But having one class be faaaaaaaaaaaar weaker than every other one is a problem. You sound retarded
>>744579065No he wouldn't. The average OW and MR fan has a sub 80 IQ so he would be OP as fuck
>>744579153Loki/Sombrero were nerfed/reworked over time in their respective games, dude is a retard.
>>744579324>SombreroAuto correct but Sombra with a mustache amuses me so I'll allow it.
Demoman is more unique because you can change his role to demoknight
>>744579372for me it's sticky knight
>>744578756>no disguise mechanic>no stealth kills>plays the same
>>744576169My ideas:>If disguising as a class that the enemy team does not have, they will use YOUR cosmetics for that class as a backup instead of a hatless version that can easily give away your position.>Remove respawn wallhacks, or as a compromise, prevent disguised spies from being outlined when they uncloak; they will still be outlined if they're disguised + uncloaked when someone respawns, but cloaking and uncloaking will remove it.
he's definitely underpowered compared to other classes but he's still fun to play as he is and buffing him in any huge fundamental way would make him just more annoying for everyone else by a wide margin. He's not viable in competitive but who cares about competitive TF2? He's basically fine.I personally think the big earner speed buff on a backstab should just be added to the stock knife with no downside and the big earner removed entirely since the speed buff makes the class better, more fun, without making him obscene to fight - and the kunai would still be good enough to be a side grade to this in casual.
>>744576794I remember her ass being bigger, maybe thats my memory warping what things actually were like.Im still sad both mnc and smnc died so quickly.
>>744576169He just needs the ambassador nerf to be reverted.
>>744575435as long as facestabbing exists this class will be good
>>744575435because spy was made with FUN in mind and every dev wants muh epicly balanced comp bs nowhis kit doesn't works in this new contextdeadlock's doorman is pretty unique too though
>>744575538Plus the amount of spagetti code surrounding him means that all his disguises are useless around anyone who knows to spot the bugs
>>744584258They were pretty clear about why they didnt want "sniper in backlines with dead ringer" so it likely isnt going to get undone.Closest we could get back would be full damage restored within relevant ranges that they intend spy to operate at, rather than the gay crit falloff.As an antisniper tool it wasnt even that good, the real issue is that sniper and his secondaries are way too fucking good at letting him ignore problems.>revert danger shield to only +25 health instead of headshot or afterburn immunity >jarate gets the gas passer style of recharge, he needs to deal damage for it.>either jars need to directly hit a target for the current range or the effect has a duration falloff based on proximity>razorback goes back to not recharging on its ownThe more snipers that actually use their SMG the better health for the game.
>>744575435Abusing invisibility in singleplayer games always breaks AI and in multiplayer human players will always track you by simply predicting where you are going. Disguising doesn't work at all. Unless the game has punishing friendly fire(and AI will basically never shoot their own because programming it to make random mistakes is actually too much effort).It's hard to balance, or even design any enemies or challenges in the first place.
>>744584078im not. i hate dealing with minions and bosses when i want to stab players
>>744580845Yeah, the lack of cosmetics on a class is a huge giveaway. It's also basically a requirement to have that one 3D display option on to know if what you're disguised as actually exists on the enemy team.Though I believe a bigger problem lies with spy always disguising as a disguised enemy spy. Ironically spy is the ONLY class that you can be sure isn't an enemy just by looking at his face. If the paper mask isn't there then he's 100% legit.I think spy should have either some way to force his disguise to be an undisguised spy or a random chance to simply not have the mask on. OR better yet, make it so the disguised model uses cosmetics. The hud already tells you whether a friendly spy is disguised or not and what he's disguised as so hats obscuring the mask isn't that big of a deal, and even if it is, it could always just replace anything in the face equip region.That's of course in addition to fixing all the other bugs disguises have and adding a function to fake any animation at any time, like a scoped in sniper or swinging a wrench as engi(and build tool and toolbox too). Maybe changing your disguise health values, too.
>>744584857>They were pretty clear about why they didnt want "sniper in backlines with dead ringer" so it likely isnt going to get undone.More like they dont want a class that can fuck up the sniper>As an antisniper tool it wasnt even that goodYou could literally uncloak in some corner away from the sniper and 2 shot him with him even having time to react, so you never had to get close to the cheating sniper playing with custom sounds nor some pyro babysitting him
>>744586962But then your big solution to dealing with the sniper, is bringing in another sniper.
>>744586113>disguise as enemy spy when the team has no spies>you just change colour>"I never really was on your side"
>>744578756sombra sucks. Overwatch troons seethe nonstop about sombra so they nerfed her to the ground. You can never play her because they add bans to the game. Overwatch died faster than TF2. Fuck I hate forever silver comp fags too much.
>>744575676Phantom. I played him for 100 of hours, unfournly the devs killed they game to work on halo. Although spy was better, because with phantom you had to hit people 2, or 3 times with your sword or get a headshot with your revolver.
Wolfenstein did it first, and it was less buggy.
>>744575435Only valve can handle toxicity and turn it into a fundamental gameplay mechanic without ruining the game. As it was, the worst element was literally introduced by faggots using bot snipers
>>744575435Knowledge check character that is almost impossible to balance in a healthy, interesting way. Doesn't really fit the modern fps design paradigm because of that.
>>744592962Name a modern FPS designed with a cohesive "paradigm"
>>744575435everyone cries about 1 shots now
>>744578756>These are the type of retards I share a board with
>>744586962>More like they dont want a class that can fuck up the sniperRemoving razorback would accomplish the same thing and be healthier for the game than making spy diet sniper again.
>>744576221every class in MNC was so fucking fun. even the basic Assault after you leveled the charge ability to max and started shoulder bashing people the fuck out of the arena>the water that supports the jet ski
>>744592590Wolfenstein didn't invent the Spy class, but it did invent Payload (Gold Rush, Fuel Dump, Railgun) and the reinforcement wave spawning mechanic.
